@Agnosticuzumaki He's loyal to the dynasty as an idea, not Reinhard as a man. Also, the body block was added in by the OVA. It's not in the novel, which leaves it ambiguous if Oberstein planned the whole thing. On top of that, if he survived and Reinhard died, the other admirals would have beaten him to death.
@@NoobNoobNews Anyone with basic knowledge of first aid can stop such a bleeding, how you think they saved so many soldiers in times of war, people have had entire limbs blown off or been blown in two and still survived. But this is fiction so, surprised they did not have a device that uses plasma to burn his wound close.
The thing that gets me the most is how much older and more mature Kircheis looks in the Laser Disc version. He looks like an accomplished admiral by the end of the first season. In the new version they make him look like the kid from the Gaiden series.
Such a good point and it strikes me too. Gaiden and these remastered scenes portray everyone like kids, whereas the original OVA depiction is mature and characters esp Kircheis exude charisma and respect.
Uhuh I still have internal nightmares when I remember this scene, and also still can't believe nor accept they took him out of the series so freaking soon.. his character had so much potential left, many interesting episodes could have ensued but no, let's fkg destroy that all.. Anyway, I'll always prefer the original, I was so surprised and grateful someone uploaded this episode in the original form, looked for it several months ago and couldn't find dust.. Thank you again, finally able to see it! ^^
Lac true I would have loved to see how the story would have progressed if Kircheis was still alive. I can imagine that he would turn against Reinhard and join the Alliance similar to Merkatz.
@@wen-liyang6677 Wow that would've been SO interesting to see, please don't make me crave this turn of events even more T-T. Man, such sadistic creators this show had ^^'... leaving us wishing for the impossible.
@@wen-liyang6677 Shit, so hella right.. still better than nothing I suppose ^^'. Speaking of which, there certainly are some _really_ interesting fanfis out there, so thanks for getitng me in the mood to keep reading those stories, been wanting to for a while😸. But still man, if only there were a way to change to an alternate universe or something in which the show goes the way we wish it had, dang it would be so good, bummer we can't change it😿.
The newer animation looks so much stiffer, even though it's of higher technical quality. There's more emotion conveyed in the lineart and style of the original, *especially* Kircheis. Ugh, fuck, I got teary eyed watching this. I've seen this show, and it's still that powerful out of context.
See the thing is that there is no difference between the LD and the DVD versions of that scene, they're identical, so lol there's no need to make a comparison video.
Reinhard has the same facial expression during the entire discussion with Kircheis, the right one literally portrays emotion a lot better. To me it looks like the re-draws were a straight upgrade.
The original has him portray emotion, but only after he has realized Kircheis is dead. After that point you can tell he's filled with intense rage, which true to Reinhard's character. The remake shows Reinhard in a more vulnerable state of mind, as you never see him sad, scared, or upset like this at any point earlier in the series. I think both fit the scene well imo.
I actually like lots of stuff with the reanimated stuff. It's more crisp and generally more and better animated. Also Reinhardt has way more intense expressions, which to me fits his fiery personality and the devastation and disillusion he must feel for the impossible loss of his best and only friend. And even though it's slightly cheesy, I like that Kircheis fucking breaks Ansbachs arm when he falls off of him. Badass. However, the colors are a jarring change in context of the other animation in the series, and what is almost an unforgivable sin is the total change of Kircheis design which renders him almost unrecognizable besides his red hair. I remember being confused and distracted on seeing this episode for the first time, which isn't great when it's probably the most pivotal episode of the series. I wish they'd reanimate this again, mostly keeping it the same, but make Kircheis actually look like Kircheis. Even though he is a pretty bland character in many (most) ways, he just might be my favorite, along with Mittermeyer.
I, too, think the gasping for breath and the tragic facial expression of Seig in the original is superior to the remastered childish and simplistic drawing where he appears merely sad, not dying.
The classic is more consistent with Reinhard's character. I think the emotion makes more sense. The grave look on his face demonstrates how serious he's taking the situation. Being so used to being in control, always with the upper hand, and to lose that control completely in regards to protecting his loved ones, the only appropriate emotion for his character is frustration and rage.
I think differently. I think that the expression of utter shock and disbelief go better with Reinhardt since he always took Kircheis for granted. So seeing him on his deadbed should be a huge shock for him.
This scene caught me off guard. I'm just watching the show for the first time, but wow I did not see this coming. Kircheis was my favourite character next to Yang, now I'm down one lol. I am curious to see where the story is going to go from here. The loss of Kircheis is definitely going to be a big deal for a long long time to come I think. The version I'm watching had the redraws so I was sort of wondering "why do things look cleaner/different? Is something important going to happen or did they just get a bigger budget here?" I find watching this that there's stuff I kind of like in both versions. I know there's some comments saying the same thing, but I really like Reinhardt's expressions in the redraw and Kircheis' face as he's dying in the original.
I wish that we had a proper collector's edition of this, from a company that actually cares about something more than jacking up the price and calling it a "collector's edition." If someone like Arrow Films or Criterion Collection grabbed this show, they'd actually work to get as many of the original frames used and restored as possible. A company that cares would make the price worthwhile.
The DVD version looks much better than the laser disc version, where the characters' reactions are more expressive (but in terms with the tone of their voices, they're still less expressive than the Die Neue These version).
If they'd reacted. If security had been tight. If Ansbach had been properly cuffed behind his back. If the pod had been searched for any kind of traps (could even have a bomb...)...
A reconstrução visual na versão de DVD é algo impressionante,conseguiram deixar as cores e o design extremamente limpos,polidos e elegantes. Só é uma pena cortarem algumas animações,mas ganhou uma imensa expressividade. Na versão de laser disc o Reinhard parece que tá sempre puto,enquanto na de DVD realmente se sente o quanto ele está destruído
A de dvd tecnicamente é melhor, mas por gosto pessoal prefiro as cores do antigo, mantem a paleta de cores que foi pensada originalmente e que foi colorido a mão
Key differences to me seem to be that the colours are slightly warmer and less bright in the DVD version, the image as a whole is a lot clearer, and most importantly, the emotions on the DVD faces are done 1000x better than the laser disc version. Strangely enough, the faces in the DVD version remind me a lot of the art of the comic artist John Romita Jr. Am I the only one that sees this similarity?
I mean you can see the laserdisc version the style is still heavily early to mid 1980s drawing style. With the DVD version you can see a style that's similar to hits of the 90s like yuyu Hakusho and etc change. There is alot more detail in the streaming and DVD version. It feels less flat as a whole the series.
Man.... What a way to kill an important character, form the beginning to almost end of his life Kirchies showed inseparable from Reinhard and always on the same page, but right before Kirchies death their relationship is at lowest point of their friendship and then he died. When i first watch this series i though Reinhard and Kirchies relationship will never be same again after their fight but he dead instead what a way
Yeah, from what I heard the company that did the last two seasons had to redo some scenes for home releases because they were either incomplete, damaged or missing. So it's just sprinkled throughout the first two seasons in really weird cuts back and forth.
There’s some things the remake does better in this scene. There’s other things the original does better. Why can’t everyone stop pretending like one is obviously better than the other? So childish.
Is a mix for me, the original has the look more in line with the rest of the series (line quality, color and chracter model), also the added breathing on Kircheis makes it more evident that he is about to die, and on the other hand the explosion of blood in the redrawn version looks weird to me (don´t know if thats how it is in real life). That being said the expressions on some of the characters look better in the second version, specially in Reinhard, and I feel like the animation is a bit more fluid.
Its not on this scene but I would like to talk about oberstein's phrase "when the light deems dont the shadows too?" a bit later. Yeah I may not remember it word to word but the message is the same. Many people think that oberstein refers to Reinhard as the light and Kircheis as the shadows. Its true that this kind of depiction matches their relationship as it is depicted in the rest of the series.But something doesnt feel right here. Oberstein says that the light dims. So he implies that Reinhard is starting to fade?And that Kircheis death is a result of that faiding? From where oberstein concludes that? Reinhard at this point is at the peak of his power. This also means oberstein feels doubtful. But we continue to see him serving Reinhard to the best of his abilities. You think Oberstein is the kind of man who devotes himself to a man whose abilities he questions?I dont think so So what is going on with this phrase? Oberstein is a clever man,to say the least.He knows,he sees and he understands Kircheis and Reinhard bonding I believe that with this phrase he refers to Reinhard as the shadows and Kircheis as the light. Why? Because he understands that Reinhard is the light to the world but Kircheis was Reinhard's light(this is clear regardless of your interpretation of theor relationship). In the end what I believe Oberstein wanted to say was that now with Kircheis gone(the light) Reinhard's emotional stability is at question(which is confirmed later on the series) so Oberstein wonders how far Reinhard will be able to go now that he is broken(dont the shadows too). Because now Reinhard is a shadow,a ghost of his old self.
An off topic: it's very goofy how everyone asside Reinhard, kircheis and oberstein react at aunsbach action but i like to think that to us it take a while the whole scene but for them, it was just an instant. Just like how in dragon ball, frieza and goku fight only lasted 5 minutes to them but for us it takes hours
I also like blood in old one more. It looked more real. And that river of blood in 0:35 was so stupid and out of place. How the hell did he stay alive after that!?
@@lyonface7201 I know, but how did he stay alive and could talk. To be honest, this whole assassination scene was stupid. I hope reamke rewrites it (I defenetly would).
I don't understand people jeering the DVDs when they added more expressive faces and animation for a scene that definitely called for it. Look at 4:11. DVD conveys Reinhard's emotion far better.
Why did they change it , it’s perfect as it is , I notice many scenes are redrawn again staring from episode 14 or 15 , the remastered scenes are a turn off, so different in color and style , can never be compared to the original 💔
The reason they redrew seemingly random parts of the early episodes is because master copies of the original run were not fully intact, and certain sequences were either lost or damaged to the point that they couldn't be salvaged for the DVD print.
The laserdisc version is the rip made a long time ago by CentralAnime, who also supplied the first fansubs online for the entire series, that I'm aware of. Both versions have fansubs, but I only kept the laserdisc version on.
Every subsequent version beyond the Laser Disc release used the redraws. They specifically redrew scenes throughout the show because the originals were too damaged to transfer to higher definition.
Wow. The admirals are incredibly incompetent when it comes to even basic first aid. Mittermyer barely looks to be applying pressure on the neck wound, NOBODY is applying pressure on the chest wound, they all stand around with few doing anything constructive, and they pretty much give up on trying to save Kircheis in under a minute. They should have chucked the corpse off (It might have hurt sensibilities, but better to try and save a living man than be considerate to a dead one), put Kircheis on it, then sped it out to meet any medical personel who'd be rushing to the place, while one or two others would keep pressure on the wounds. Yes, Kircheis probably would have died anyway. But people have survived otherwise-lethal wounds when taken to medical facilities quickly enough. As slim as the chance was, it was better than the ZERO chance these guys gave him by giving token aid and then promptly giving up. Yes, it made for a dramatic scene, but it also made everyone in the room look like morons.
Indeed I always hated their inaction. No first aid administered, no medical feats even though it's well into the future, idiotic attendants standing still , watching Ansbach leisurely open the coffin and take out the gun and utter his insolence and wrestle with Seig! And why was Ansbach admitted in the hall unaccompanied by guards? And why wasn't his ring confiscated beforehand? Whose responsibility is all this security failure and why didn't we see punishment? This still hurts even after all those years..
@@rkab2014 Okay, so I wanted to hear some opinions about logh from somebody like you and OP (cuz every logh comment section just hypes it up sooo much and I'm hesitant about watching 100+ EPs). Is the show actually worth it...?
@@samuraijosh1595 Most defenetly, but there are some apsurdly stupid scenes such as this (mostly in season 1). But all in all show is masasterpeace and deserves to be seen at least once.
Do watch it. The dedication of its makers, the story and the beautiful character design are all worth looking at. You will also find the topics and discussions relevant to our day. Smth to ponder.
Earlier this year I downloaded the Central Anime version from Nyaa.si it seems it's still there but has very few seeders the quality isnt that high, with it being a rip of Laserdiscs, which arent that great, also I can see that they felt like it needed a remaster in some places. still, it's there if you want
You mean the 2018 version? If so, you're trippin kid! The male characters in 2018 version look like Yaoi! Their eyes are bigger, their chin is sharp and pointy. The female characters in the 2018 look like teenagers even though they are supposed to be mature women but no they made the 2018 the anime with typical art style nowadys. It sucks!
@@erenyeagerist7681 You do you. I like DNT. I like the overall art. I like most of the characters, especially Reuenthal, Mittermeyer, Yang Wen-li and Schönkopf... I don't like others, like Whalen, the new version of Eva's eye design. But the spaceships, the backgrounds, the architecture, the uniform design, the use of 3DCG in the battles and not much else, the soundtrack. Yeah I prefer it. The voice actors are all top tier and most of them are trying to stay in the vocal register of the OVA, which is awesome. Now, if you told me they should have taken the original characters, use the recent style and make half and half, okay... But saying it's YAOI style it's being purposely anti change. YAOI is a story telling category, not a drawing category. All of you DNT haters are being extremely disrespectful to every single artist involved in this production. It's Two Cakes, my good people... Now one is telling you to stop loving and watching the classical version.
Reinhard looks so much better in the DVD version. He was always cool and collected until this scene, where he makes expressions he's never shown and never will show afterwards.
@@lyonface7201 Returning here now to confirm that Blu Ray edition is NOT the best and the translation SUCKS and they do not do the Aesthetics of putting titles over people. I have not opened mine from the box yet and i am HAPPY I didnt!
RIP best boi Kircheis
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For those who think oberstein is a self serving snake, observe how he guarded reinhard during the rocket launcher shot
He's a good guy
@@NESrye at his core yea, he's a complicated dude but he's definitely loyal to reinhardt
It is just like Oberstein to priotirize the life that he thinks is irreplaceable over his own life that he thinks is not that much valuable asset.
That detail is not actually in the books (or in the newer version of the show), but I agree that it makes a good point about Oberstein’s character.
@Agnosticuzumaki He's loyal to the dynasty as an idea, not Reinhard as a man.
Also, the body block was added in by the OVA. It's not in the novel, which leaves it ambiguous if Oberstein planned the whole thing.
On top of that, if he survived and Reinhard died, the other admirals would have beaten him to death.
The remake did a better job at portraying Rienhardt's emotions, but the original showed Kircheis dying much more realistically.
It was an artery. once cut, they spurt like fountains. the blood loss is quick, and without a nearby doctor, cannot be recovered from.
yea, the og nailed it.
@@NoobNoobNews
Anyone with basic knowledge of first aid can stop such a bleeding, how you think they saved so many soldiers in times of war, people have had entire limbs blown off or been blown in two and still survived.
But this is fiction so, surprised they did not have a device that uses plasma to burn his wound close.
Blood spraying is something that happens in real life. The original has him look like he's got way less blood than there should be (is he anemic??)
@@yemmohater2796 In the original version Kircheis looks like he is actually struggling to stay conscious, aswell as fighting to breathe.
The thing that gets me the most is how much older and more mature Kircheis looks in the Laser Disc version. He looks like an accomplished admiral by the end of the first season. In the new version they make him look like the kid from the Gaiden series.
Such a good point and it strikes me too. Gaiden and these remastered scenes portray everyone like kids, whereas the original OVA depiction is mature and characters esp Kircheis exude charisma and respect.
To be fair, he's 21 in this scene. He's still young.
Uhuh I still have internal nightmares when I remember this scene, and also still can't believe nor accept they took him out of the series so freaking soon.. his character had so much potential left, many interesting episodes could have ensued but no, let's fkg destroy that all.. Anyway, I'll always prefer the original, I was so surprised and grateful someone uploaded this episode in the original form, looked for it several months ago and couldn't find dust.. Thank you again, finally able to see it! ^^
Lac true I would have loved to see how the story would have progressed if Kircheis was still alive. I can imagine that he would turn against Reinhard and join the Alliance similar to Merkatz.
@@wen-liyang6677 Wow that would've been SO interesting to see, please don't make me crave this turn of events even more T-T. Man, such sadistic creators this show had ^^'... leaving us wishing for the impossible.
Lac Well, one can only dream...or read fan fiction
@@wen-liyang6677 Shit, so hella right.. still better than nothing I suppose ^^'. Speaking of which, there certainly are some _really_ interesting fanfis out there, so thanks for getitng me in the mood to keep reading those stories, been wanting to for a while😸. But still man, if only there were a way to change to an alternate universe or something in which the show goes the way we wish it had, dang it would be so good, bummer we can't change it😿.
If only Kircheis were here...
キルヒアイスが臨終の間際に肩で息をしていない、焦点の定まらない目をかっと見開き一番伝えたいことを言う、この2点のシーンがないのが許せない。
何年越しの恨みなんですかね…
The original, by far. The way Kircheis' breathing is so labored here, you really feel like he's dying.
The newer animation looks so much stiffer, even though it's of higher technical quality. There's more emotion conveyed in the lineart and style of the original, *especially* Kircheis. Ugh, fuck, I got teary eyed watching this. I've seen this show, and it's still that powerful out of context.
"A comparison of one of the most shocking and tragic episodes of the classic anime " see you after like 55 episodes, LOL
See the thing is that there is no difference between the LD and the DVD versions of that scene, they're identical, so lol there's no need to make a comparison video.
no dont do it
ADMIRAAAAAAAAAAL!!!
Reinhard has the same facial expression during the entire discussion with Kircheis, the right one literally portrays emotion a lot better. To me it looks like the re-draws were a straight upgrade.
The original has him portray emotion, but only after he has realized Kircheis is dead. After that point you can tell he's filled with intense rage, which true to Reinhard's character. The remake shows Reinhard in a more vulnerable state of mind, as you never see him sad, scared, or upset like this at any point earlier in the series. I think both fit the scene well imo.
Kircheis's clinging to life is done better in the original
@@MisakaMikotoDesu You don't really get that from the vocal performance; he looks like he sounds in the remaster.
I actually like lots of stuff with the reanimated stuff. It's more crisp and generally more and better animated. Also Reinhardt has way more intense expressions, which to me fits his fiery personality and the devastation and disillusion he must feel for the impossible loss of his best and only friend. And even though it's slightly cheesy, I like that Kircheis fucking breaks Ansbachs arm when he falls off of him. Badass. However, the colors are a jarring change in context of the other animation in the series, and what is almost an unforgivable sin is the total change of Kircheis design which renders him almost unrecognizable besides his red hair. I remember being confused and distracted on seeing this episode for the first time, which isn't great when it's probably the most pivotal episode of the series.
I wish they'd reanimate this again, mostly keeping it the same, but make Kircheis actually look like Kircheis. Even though he is a pretty bland character in many (most) ways, he just might be my favorite, along with Mittermeyer.
Yes the changes in color, model and line quality were pretty evident, and distracting, now I understand is why.
I, too, think the gasping for breath and the tragic facial expression of Seig in the original is superior to the remastered childish and simplistic drawing where he appears merely sad, not dying.
The classic is more consistent with Reinhard's character. I think the emotion makes more sense. The grave look on his face demonstrates how serious he's taking the situation. Being so used to being in control, always with the upper hand, and to lose that control completely in regards to protecting his loved ones, the only appropriate emotion for his character is frustration and rage.
I think differently. I think that the expression of utter shock and disbelief go better with Reinhardt since he always took Kircheis for granted. So seeing him on his deadbed should be a huge shock for him.
Agree, the original did a better job.
Damn it still hurts to watch this and it’s been forever
This scene caught me off guard. I'm just watching the show for the first time, but wow I did not see this coming. Kircheis was my favourite character next to Yang, now I'm down one lol. I am curious to see where the story is going to go from here. The loss of Kircheis is definitely going to be a big deal for a long long time to come I think.
The version I'm watching had the redraws so I was sort of wondering "why do things look cleaner/different? Is something important going to happen or did they just get a bigger budget here?" I find watching this that there's stuff I kind of like in both versions. I know there's some comments saying the same thing, but I really like Reinhardt's expressions in the redraw and Kircheis' face as he's dying in the original.
I wish that we had a proper collector's edition of this, from a company that actually cares about something more than jacking up the price and calling it a "collector's edition." If someone like Arrow Films or Criterion Collection grabbed this show, they'd actually work to get as many of the original frames used and restored as possible. A company that cares would make the price worthwhile.
Thank you for making a valuable video.
I also want to see the showdown between Reuental and Schoenkop.
It's 2 years late but I gotchu homie
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オーベルシュタインの入れ知恵さえなければキルヒアイスは生きてたかもしれないのに、、
Now I can't see the scene the same way...
Car keys still died. What's the point :(
I've been laughing at this for the past 10 minutes
Omg
Buy a ford?
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リマスターなんてありふれているが、手描きの時代に全編描き直しってどれだけコスト感覚が欠落していたんだろう。ドル箱アニメでもなかったのに声優買い占めも含めて恐ろしい執念ですな。
お金だけじゃない、思い入れってあるんですよね。
きっと製作者も視聴者もそれを分かっていると思う。
The DVD version looks much better than the laser disc version, where the characters' reactions are more expressive (but in terms with the tone of their voices, they're still less expressive than the Die Neue These version).
If only the rest of Rienhardt's men had reacted as fast as Kircheis he would still be alive.
If they'd reacted. If security had been tight. If Ansbach had been properly cuffed behind his back. If the pod had been searched for any kind of traps (could even have a bomb...)...
A reconstrução visual na versão de DVD é algo impressionante,conseguiram deixar as cores e o design extremamente limpos,polidos e elegantes. Só é uma pena cortarem algumas animações,mas ganhou uma imensa expressividade. Na versão de laser disc o Reinhard parece que tá sempre puto,enquanto na de DVD realmente se sente o quanto ele está destruído
Finalmente alguem que assistir ginga eiyuu densetsu que é brasileiro.
A de dvd tecnicamente é melhor, mas por gosto pessoal prefiro as cores do antigo, mantem a paleta de cores que foi pensada originalmente e que foi colorido a mão
If only the DVDs didnt add those Saturday-morning-cartoon- ass faces and just fixed the art/animation here and there
The classic vs the remaster!
Key differences to me seem to be that the colours are slightly warmer and less bright in the DVD version, the image as a whole is a lot clearer, and most importantly, the emotions on the DVD faces are done 1000x better than the laser disc version. Strangely enough, the faces in the DVD version remind me a lot of the art of the comic artist John Romita Jr. Am I the only one that sees this similarity?
I mean you can see the laserdisc version the style is still heavily early to mid 1980s drawing style.
With the DVD version you can see a style that's similar to hits of the 90s like yuyu Hakusho and etc change. There is alot more detail in the streaming and DVD version. It feels less flat as a whole the series.
I prefer the old one really
It looks more elegant
キルヒアイスがラインハルトとアンネローゼ以外から「キルヒアイス」って呼ばれるシーンってここだけじゃないかな
Man.... What a way to kill an important character, form the beginning to almost end of his life Kirchies showed inseparable from Reinhard and always on the same page, but right before Kirchies death their relationship is at lowest point of their friendship and then he died.
When i first watch this series i though Reinhard and Kirchies relationship will never be same again after their fight but he dead instead what a way
The "remaster" wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't an entirely different art style from the rest of the show. Totally jarring; completely ruins the scene.
Yeah, from what I heard the company that did the last two seasons had to redo some scenes for home releases because they were either incomplete, damaged or missing. So it's just sprinkled throughout the first two seasons in really weird cuts back and forth.
If Kircheis was alive, Reinhart could've beaten Yang imho. Kircheis was better strategist than Reinhart
Well, he utimately beat Yang anyway
Assuming that Kircheis would have continued to help Reinhart if their ideologies continued to drift further apart, at least.
@@lyonface7201 in the end, Reinhart didn't fight for an ideology at all
@@lyonface7201 Personally, I think Kircheis' loyalty was more on the side of Reinhart than some ideology.
the war won't getting extend, kircheis wanted peace
There’s some things the remake does better in this scene. There’s other things the original does better. Why can’t everyone stop pretending like one is obviously better than the other? So childish.
Both scenes remind me Rose of Versailles' André's death.
Is a mix for me, the original has the look more in line with the rest of the series (line quality, color and chracter model), also the added breathing on Kircheis makes it more evident that he is about to die, and on the other hand the explosion of blood in the redrawn version looks weird to me (don´t know if thats how it is in real life). That being said the expressions on some of the characters look better in the second version, specially in Reinhard, and I feel like the animation is a bit more fluid.
VHSorLDの絵の方が良いな。
やはり絵を描き直さずに、デジタルリマスターだけして、DVDorBDにすれば良かったと思う。
でもこのシーンだけは 何度視ても辛い
ワイもそう思う。
元のもよく描けてる。
手抜きみたいな艦隊戦描写や艦橋の戦況表示だけキレイにすれば良かったと思う。
描き直す必要のないカットにまで手を出して、逆に悪化してるところもあるね。
横たわるキルヒアイスのカットとか、旧の方が断然いい。
直すべきカットは他にあるだろうに。
描き直しの作監に、後のシーズンを手掛ける茅野京子氏の名前があるけど、オリジナルキャラデザの奥田万つ里氏のタッチを残した
1期の総作監 本木久年氏とは、画のタッチが違い過ぎて違和感も半端ない。
@@タカミネーター-q1h センスが無い人がやるとこうなるっていういい例だね。2022よりはマシだけど。
@@mitzo あれは尺がなかっただけで脚本は良かった。まるまる一章分くらい抜いたらどんな作品でもああなる
If only Kircheis had been there to save himself
Its not on this scene but I would like to talk about oberstein's phrase "when the light deems dont the shadows too?" a bit later. Yeah I may not remember it word to word but the message is the same.
Many people think that oberstein refers to Reinhard as the light and Kircheis as the shadows. Its true that this kind of depiction matches their relationship as it is depicted in the rest of the series.But something doesnt feel right here.
Oberstein says that the light dims. So he implies that Reinhard is starting to fade?And that Kircheis death is a result of that faiding? From where oberstein concludes that? Reinhard at this point is at the peak of his power. This also means oberstein feels doubtful. But we continue to see him serving Reinhard to the best of his abilities. You think Oberstein is the kind of man who devotes himself to a man whose abilities he questions?I dont think so
So what is going on with this phrase?
Oberstein is a clever man,to say the least.He knows,he sees and he understands Kircheis and Reinhard bonding
I believe that with this phrase he refers to Reinhard as the shadows and Kircheis as the light. Why? Because he understands that Reinhard is the light to the world but Kircheis was Reinhard's light(this is clear regardless of your interpretation of theor relationship).
In the end what I believe Oberstein wanted to say was that now with Kircheis gone(the light) Reinhard's emotional stability is at question(which is confirmed later on the series) so Oberstein wonders how far Reinhard will be able to go now that he is broken(dont the shadows too). Because now Reinhard is a shadow,a ghost of his old self.
オリジナルから入ったから、DVDの描き直しはちょっと違和感ある。綺麗だけどね･･･
Left looks better but right has less animation hiccups and QUALITY.
I really like the old animation
strange how he was able to break his bone just by falling down
ビデオ版だけでも２，３回は直してると思う。
An off topic: it's very goofy how everyone asside Reinhard, kircheis and oberstein react at aunsbach action but i like to think that to us it take a while the whole scene but for them, it was just an instant. Just like how in dragon ball, frieza and goku fight only lasted 5 minutes to them but for us it takes hours
Time to download the laserdisc rips
Where? this has been baffling me to find.
@@TCBYEAHCUZ nyaa dot si
@@AmanRishitwenty15 I found it, central anime and it's 22gib, bloody hard to find
@@TCBYEAHCUZ hello, how are you? Can you share the link with me? I didn’t find it
@@disneylandh7382 It turned out to not be a LD rip, it was just the blue ray version with the same fixes, sorry I forgot to update.
表情が豊かで繊細に描かれている旧盤(左)の方が圧倒的にいいと思うんだけどね。
なんでもかんでも綺麗にすればいいってもんじゃない。
I also like blood in old one more. It looked more real. And that river of blood in 0:35 was so stupid and out of place. How the hell did he stay alive after that!?
you didn't watched this Anime did you?
You tend to spray blood when you get an artery cut my guy
@@lyonface7201 I know, but how did he stay alive and could talk. To be honest, this whole assassination scene was stupid. I hope reamke rewrites it (I defenetly would).
@@billsykes2977 Even when you cut off a head it sometime happen to life some seconds later. There was records about that but i don't remember where.
"how did he stay alive"
Cough cough *in fact, he didn't*
They went full Kurosawa blood on the remaster lol
左が良いかな
I have that flashback from when I was a kid and watched the Lion King and Simba's dad died.
The drawing is better (and smoother) in the DVD, but in the original the drawing is more expressive (imho).
I don't understand people jeering the DVDs when they added more expressive faces and animation for a scene that definitely called for it. Look at 4:11. DVD conveys Reinhard's emotion far better.
I prefer the left one.
The right one has bad contrast on my OLED and I like the style way more.
Oh man the scream at the end got me good. In german it sounds like KirScheiße which sounds like the german word for shi** but with a KIR
both looks good .
Well both are amazing
Both versions have their pros and cons, although overall I think the DVD edges out the Laserdisc overall
Vegeta's VA. :O
LOL
Why did they change it , it’s perfect as it is , I notice many scenes are redrawn again staring from episode 14 or 15 , the remastered scenes are a turn off, so different in color and style , can never be compared to the original 💔
The reason they redrew seemingly random parts of the early episodes is because master copies of the original run were not fully intact, and certain sequences were either lost or damaged to the point that they couldn't be salvaged for the DVD print.
This is the spoiler of spoilers dude
This is like Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony
確かに所々作画崩壊あったけど………オリジナルはオリジナルで味があって良かったけどなぁ………
キルヒアイスが生きて居たらなあ、、、宇宙はもっと明るくて暖かかっただろうに、、、
2:56 the amount of blood in the bluray is unnecessary and takes away from the scene.
0:30 it took them 20 seconds to react.
did they reanimate the blu-ray version? because it looks like a 90's compared to the Lazer-Disc's more 70's aesthetic
The DVD version is the standard, so it's what the Bluray used.
It was really weird to watch this show and see the coloring style change every single time
How many times has this show been remade? 3?
Wait the laserdisc had subtitles on it? How did you get it to show up while playing the disc
The laserdisc version is the rip made a long time ago by CentralAnime, who also supplied the first fansubs online for the entire series, that I'm aware of. Both versions have fansubs, but I only kept the laserdisc version on.
Which version did the Blu-ray use?
Every subsequent version beyond the Laser Disc release used the redraws. They specifically redrew scenes throughout the show because the originals were too damaged to transfer to higher definition.
Wow. The admirals are incredibly incompetent when it comes to even basic first aid. Mittermyer barely looks to be applying pressure on the neck wound, NOBODY is applying pressure on the chest wound, they all stand around with few doing anything constructive, and they pretty much give up on trying to save Kircheis in under a minute.
They should have chucked the corpse off (It might have hurt sensibilities, but better to try and save a living man than be considerate to a dead one), put Kircheis on it, then sped it out to meet any medical personel who'd be rushing to the place, while one or two others would keep pressure on the wounds.
Yes, Kircheis probably would have died anyway. But people have survived otherwise-lethal wounds when taken to medical facilities quickly enough. As slim as the chance was, it was better than the ZERO chance these guys gave him by giving token aid and then promptly giving up.
Yes, it made for a dramatic scene, but it also made everyone in the room look like morons.
Indeed I always hated their inaction. No first aid administered, no medical feats even though it's well into the future, idiotic attendants standing still , watching Ansbach leisurely open the coffin and take out the gun and utter his insolence and wrestle with Seig! And why was Ansbach admitted in the hall unaccompanied by guards? And why wasn't his ring confiscated beforehand? Whose responsibility is all this security failure and why didn't we see punishment?
This still hurts even after all those years..
@@rkab2014 Okay, so I wanted to hear some opinions about logh from somebody like you and OP (cuz every logh comment section just hypes it up sooo much and I'm hesitant about watching 100+ EPs). Is the show actually worth it...?
@@samuraijosh1595 Most defenetly, but there are some apsurdly stupid scenes such as this (mostly in season 1). But all in all show is masasterpeace and deserves to be seen at least once.
Do watch it. The dedication of its makers, the story and the beautiful character design are all worth looking at. You will also find the topics and discussions relevant to our day. Smth to ponder.
@@rkab2014 Wasn't Oberstein responsible for overseeing the security at Geiersburg?
Where can I watch the dvd edition online? I only found the laser disc version
I like better the right side one.
Which version is it?
Does the DVD version have the same amount of episodes?
Yes, as far as I'm aware it's not missing any content.
TBF, the remake isn't bad as it does add small details (4:20) like facial expressions likely helped by technological advancements.
Tech and time, likely. They were still using cel animation when the redraws were being made and they weren't in as much of a time crunch afaik
@@lyonface7201 Too me the remaked scenes itself don't look that bad but seeing it constantly switch between 2 different styles is really jaring.
因みに、原作者はキルヒアイスを死なせるには早過ぎたと後悔したらしい。
何度観ても、辛い場面ですね。
人それぞれの好みが分かれますが。 私はどちらかと言うと。右の絵かな…。絵が右側の方が左側のよりも色彩が優しい印象。同じ見るなら右の方が目が疲れにくい気もします。右側の方がラインハルトの悲しそうな表情や微妙な変化が、細かく見て取れるから。
I like Laser Disk better.
Where did you get the old version?
Central Anime has the only digital version of the Laser Discs to my knowledge. I unfortunately don't have a link I can provide for it.
Oki :-)
Earlier this year I downloaded the Central Anime version from Nyaa.si
it seems it's still there but has very few seeders
the quality isnt that high, with it being a rip of Laserdiscs, which arent that great, also I can see that they felt like it needed a remaster in some places. still, it's there if you want
The original was so much better. The broken arm was stupid and unnecessary.
2:15 What is the name of the song?
1 year late, but I believe this is the song: ruclips.net/video/sJw0slhUWek/видео.html
i would prefer the original one.
The art in the remake and the emotions of characters are way better.
But the blood gushing is such an exaggeration.
You mean the 2018 version? If so, you're trippin kid! The male characters in 2018 version look like Yaoi! Their eyes are bigger, their chin is sharp and pointy. The female characters in the 2018 look like teenagers even though they are supposed to be mature women but no they made the 2018 the anime with typical art style nowadys. It sucks!
@@erenyeagerist7681 You do you. I like DNT. I like the overall art. I like most of the characters, especially Reuenthal, Mittermeyer, Yang Wen-li and Schönkopf...
I don't like others, like Whalen, the new version of Eva's eye design. But the spaceships, the backgrounds, the architecture, the uniform design, the use of 3DCG in the battles and not much else, the soundtrack. Yeah I prefer it. The voice actors are all top tier and most of them are trying to stay in the vocal register of the OVA, which is awesome. Now, if you told me they should have taken the original characters, use the recent style and make half and half, okay...
But saying it's YAOI style it's being purposely anti change. YAOI is a story telling category, not a drawing category.
All of you DNT haters are being extremely disrespectful to every single artist involved in this production.
It's Two Cakes, my good people... Now one is telling you to stop loving and watching the classical version.
@@erenyeagerist7681 you really want to die on that hill original logh has more homoerotic undertones compared to the remake you dumb@ss.
historians would later on describe them as a very good roommates and their bromance would be the stable for all future platonic male friendships
Reinhard looks so much better in the DVD version. He was always cool and collected until this scene, where he makes expressions he's never shown and never will show afterwards.
Laserdisc. Not even up for debate.
Blu Ray collectors edition is best ;)
It's too bad I can't drop $800-$900 on an anime boxset 😔
@@lyonface7201 Returning here now to confirm that Blu Ray edition is NOT the best and the translation SUCKS and they do not do the Aesthetics of putting titles over people. I have not opened mine from the box yet and i am HAPPY I didnt!
@@lyonface7201 Just sold mine for ALOT of money xd
ラインハルトの表情の差が大きい。
1-Me gusto mucho mas la primera escena,
2 siempre pensé que kirchiaes los traicionaría cuando murió me sentí tan tonto
Sabes que música suena cuando muere kiecheis??
1:25 3.
og is better
DVD's the best version anycase both better than DNT
我看的银英是假的。