Terrifying to imagine being in a loving marriage with someone for years when out of the blue that person becomes violent and psychotic. It’s hard to accept that there were no signs of mental health issues leading up to his mental break
It can be newly acquired. Brain injury of the wrong region, mini stroke that takes out the wrong centers but also is small enough to be brushed off as a bad headache. Infection that causes damage, drug use, esp meth, early onset dementia with behavioral disturbance (basically makes them impulsive, violent, delusional, behavior and personality changes). Oh and extreme emotional distress triggering psychosis. There are probably other things I'm missing, but these are ones I've seen as a nurse where you wonder if the person was schizophrenic but looking at the chart the symptoms started randomly past the typical age (And actually a lot of the cases I saw were new onset where they were trying to find the reason it happened). Sometimes they can't find the reason because it was a temporary condition that has already resolved leaving behind permanent brain changes.
He was a chemist so no doubt he was exposed to chemicals that affected his brain. Not much different from your local homeless guy that does a lot of drugs
It's so unfortunate that neither of the first two men who escaped from Mark weren't brave enough to follow through with filing criminal charges. Mark could have been stopped before any one was hurt.
Thank you for covering this Doctor. It is indeed, as you said, a failure of of the mental health system a tragedy for both Mark and Kevin, their families and communities. Poor Kevin. We can do better.
@@jhoughjr1 Just those that are so crazy that having a substance in their body, keeps them from losing their most basic reasoning. The mental healthy system certainly did me more harm than good.
Another case in point: you ignore mental health symptoms at your on peril , and all too often someone else’s. Thanks for sharing this with us Dr. Grande.
@@coweatsman While I'd concede that psychology and psychiatry will be rendered effectively obsolete once neuropsychology has completely matured (i.e. with the full maturation of the fields of neuroanatomy & neurophysiology), I think characterizing psychology as having little ability to predict illness progression, let alone being "barely a science", is pretty unrealistic. As someone on a *_fistful_* of psych meds a day, with a better-than-laity understanding of both the principles underlying the conditions they treat and the pharmacological mechanisms of the medicines themselves -- not to mention *how I felt without them* -- my continued existence on this planet is owed to the very predictive power of the science(s) you're trying to malign. 🙃
@@Vindsvelle I'm afraid I have little hope for chemical psychiatry either. Although the prognosis for mental conditions is better for a few years after treatment starts after about 7 to 10 years it is worse than without drugs. We may be looking at problems from the wrong perspective and not realising how much our societal expectations "make" conditions out of what used not to be. Homosexuality is one example. It was "abnormal" because of prejudice and politics. Then it was not, also because of prejudice and politics. In neither case was the "science" important. It came down to values. Maybe ADHD and autism are similarly defined. The mistake of psychology was to imagine that an "ought" can be determined from an "is". Science can tell us what, for example, homosexuality is and how it may come to exist but it can not tell us if it is abnormal. That is unscientific but that is what the DSM tried to do. Does autism have to be treated or is it just another way of being a human being? Science does not give us an answer. First autism comes in a spectrum from a trait shared by many geniuses in history to more debilitating characteristics. The trend in psychology has been to define more and more on the spectrum as "abnormal" and in need of treatment and drugs. This easily descends into intolerance of nonconformity under the guise of public health and compassion. Homosexuality is an example. An uber conformist society is unlikely to give rise to good ideas that benefit civilisation or advance science. Today Einstein would be diagnosed as autistic or ADHD, put onto drugs like ritalin, go through school as "attentive" and well behaved and be unheralded today. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Second psychology today ignores social aspects influencing who we become. For example, imagine a zoo reporting its animals are pacing back and forward, apathetic and acting out stereotypical routines. An animal psychiatrist decides the animals are acting "abnormally' and that they need ritalin or adderall. This may reflect a lot of conditions we today diagnose as "abnormal". In many ways we have created a human zoo and we do not want to question the benefits or the magnificence of that zoo. We need to show "compassion" to the animals in the zoo through an unconscious disrespect for the animals.
Oddly enough, I drove past Mark's house today. It definitely made the hairs on my arms stand up. I couldn't help but think what went through the neighbor's minds when all of this unfolded too, like the farmer next door who I saw on his tractor. Proof it can happen anywhere.
How this man managed to slip through the net so many times is unforgivable. He has a shopping list of disorders! It’s really makes you think who walks among us. Thank you Dr Grande for bringing this case to light.
This is a wicked world....look up how many sex offenders are living within a mile of your home. We're in the territory of the wicked, Love, not the other way around.
In Britain they called it, “Care in the Community”. Sounds like a lovely idea but in reality it left countless families living in misery! Ronald Reagan (USA) & Margaret Thatcher (UK) made a lot of awful decisions for people who weren’t wealthy.
@@suzimonkey345The US called it normalization. It was a VERY bad idea. Now we have law enforcement resources being used for people who are mentally ill and virtually no psychiatric hospital beds, particularly long term beds.
@@suzimonkey345Yes they did make some very bad decisions with Mental health issues. Regan made a lot of other bad decisions, too. His war on drugs, was pathetic, too. He should have called it his bargain with the drug lords, because he did just that. Two areas where help was sorely needed. He failed.
@@LDiamondz Thatcher closed the coal mines in Britain, devastating the economy of northern towns…still damaged today! Did that happen in America? Did “globalisation” close manufacturing & mines under Reagan or was it more slow & steady in America? Thatchers government also had the bright idea of selling off the council houses (very cheap) to the people who lived in them…resulting in very wealthy landlords, a housing crisis & even poorer poor people! 🙄
@@AwfulDog1 it's no wonder diagnosing of mental patients is all over the place. From no malfunction to batship psychosis in the same Sybil. Now if we could figure out why the majority of nurses range from "polyamorous" to bestiality. That's a sick bunch just ripe for a study.
My ex’s mothers boyfriend was a therapist. For some odd reason they all recommended I use him as my therapist. It was strange because I would discuss the difficulties I was having with his own girlfriends daughter 😅. She also used him as a therapist. Idk, I guess my point is there are some really strange people in the field of psychology.
I would say Mark’s inconsistent diagnosis is due to the fact that symptoms are variable over time. He may certainly have presented with less severe symptoms in 2014 , severe symptoms before and so on. Since diseases like Schizophrenia and its related disorders are lifelong, he would need to have adhered to treatment lifelong and not just once or twice a year in a hospital. That likes treating cancer for one one day or taking one walk after a diabetes diagnosis with one day of diet change and expecting it to get better. The problem is consistency and continuity of care. People fail to adhere to treatment because it feels daunting to treat something for decades of their lives.
I’m just another old lady, but my advice is to never let ANYONE tie you up, or incapacitate you in any way. Add drugs and alcohol to these situations and you are playing chicken with death. I understand that people enjoy certain things, but if you are going to indulge in such risky behavior, especially with strangers, please put some forethought into protecting yourself.💕 This is such a horrific case. Praying for all involved.
The process called "vetting" exists for a reason, its not just for checking what's consented to and what's off the table - its also used to make sure by the time you engage in BDSM you aren't strangers anymore. Anyone who tries to avoid this process or suggest skipping it entirely is a walking red flag
I'm a retired chemist..., worked in various laboratories & in chemical manufacturing.While some chemicals are acutely toxic (like cyanide) or corrosive (muriatic acid, used in cleaning & water purification); I don't know of any that can cause acute psychotic disorders (maybe LSD?). Sometimes long term exposure to solvents (used in oil-based paints & inks) can cause mental/nervous deterioration similar to chronic alcohol abuse. Mental illness seems to be brought on by environmental/behavioral factors...,
I am rarely phased, but this was one for the books. And there is no one better to have delivered the story, explained so well in context with mental health.
How this individual evaded capture and judgment with such frequency strikes me as an act most grievous, a trespass against the very principles of justice and vigilance. A veritable litany of disorders marks his character, as if inscribed in a somber ledger, stirring within me contemplation and a profound realization of the hidden mysteries that walk amongst us in human guise. To Dr. Grande, a beacon of enlightenment, I extend my gratitude, for his illumination of this case has brought a shadowed truth into the cold and scrutinizing light of understanding.
Sometimes you can’t tell a person is weird, not so with this case. Mark looks the part! My sympathy goes out to Kevin and his loved ones, such a loss! Than you Dr. Grande for another informative video!
@@supersarah5673he actually has a pretty decent face behind all that hair. This is what he looks like now. There is nothing shown from the earlier days.
This is a bit unfair, most of the killers, abusers etc. looked nothing like him and nobody says "this person looks decent, you can tell he's going to hurt someone." Actually, my former partner for 6 years looked very similar and he was the nicest person I met, he was just very sensitive and used his "dishevelled" looks as a protective layer, so that people wouldn't approach him and drain him. (My most favourite memory is that once he refused to go out as we agreed the day before, so I went to his place to check if he's ok and he was busy because he found a kitten that someone tried to drown, so he decided the best way to save the kitten would be to just dry him and warm him under his beard and sweater. And then he took a week off work to take care about that cat, who survived and was his companion for years.)
I feel badly for them both. This is so tragic. Neither life had to end up this way. Sincere condolences to Kevin's family for their terrible loss, and to Mark's family who must have felt so lost as to what to do and the end must break their hearts in so many ways. My heart goes out to all. Nicely done, Dr G. Very sensitive, and you kept their dignity and humanity when it seems others did not. xx
A great analysis, Doc Grande. Thank you. Regarding my own life experiences : people with mental illness don't tend to announce their more dangerous obsessions/goals, whether private, directed at self, or against a "victim". It's not like a film where the baddie says "you're going to die but first I will explain exactly how, and what I did... and all the evidence you can gather is..." running down the clock until they are stopped by a hero. They tend to be secretive. I think Mark was intelligent enough to know that he could be institutionalised if he fully admitted his level of schizophrenia, if maybe his schizophrenia was pronounced in whether it was affecting him or not (I'm not an expert here, but I feel the paranoia thing was very evident with Mark). It also highlights the problem of having front line mental health workers (and perhaps police) who were not as intelligent as Mark. If the workers are not as smart as him, they've got less chance of diagnosing him. I've had experience of this : a barely qualified mental health worker failed, and the relevant supervision of(lacking, disinterested), to see they were being outsmarted by an extremely clever, mentally ill teenage boy with autism. It didn't end well.
My friend called doctors, wrote senators and did everything possible to get help for her sister. No one in health care helped!! They would barely talk to my friend due to all the" privacy rights" The System and health care do not care for the most part.
Dr. Grande - it's becoming increasingly easier for the mentally ill/disturbed to find each other. Thus, no shortage of issues to analyze and opine on. Always tragic. 👍💜🌵
What an intelligent, useful analysis. Sad situation all around. By the way, I actually met actor Kevin Bacon’s parents. His dad was a famous architect in Philly, my home town and his mom created a program for the children of incarcerated parents… and I worked with another social worker at the same prison with fathers. So there you have it.
I am by no way a mental health specialist but this case seemed to scream schizophrenia. A normal man while young developing such strange behaviors in his adult life.
I agree. I'm no specialist either, but grew up with a schizophrenic mother. She never stripped for no reason like Mark, but would run away and come to in places she didn't recognize. She had no idea why.
I don't agree that this is necessarily a failure of any system, although US mental health resources are really inadequate. Unless Mark was honest with clinicians about his homicidal and cannibal fantasies, and is willing to participate in treatment, even a robust treatment system will fail. Treatment relies on a client being honest and wanting help, as well as a client's willingness to comply with treatment.
When Kevin came up missing, it made the news here in Michigan. I remember the story, because it was reported that he'd told his family how excited he was to have met someone. Unfortunately, that someone turned out to be his murderer. It's terribly unfortunate. Latunski will suffer for a long time in prison, as Michigan does not allow the death penalty.
Indeed. Mark looks like he’s auditioning for a role in a Netflix original that nobody asked for. Like he’s auditioning to be the Great Value version of Charles Mansion. My friend, we are witnessing the facial hair of a man that has come completely unhinged from reality.
@@zenawarrior7442 🤣❤️ I love the term “Value Manson” I will certainly be using that term going forward to describe anyone who is simultaneously crazy&trashy
This is one of the many reasons that I don't have any confidence in mental health therapists and Dr's. They miss too many signs and the meds that people are prescribed seem to not work
Geeeeze, Dr. Grande. This is a particularly brutal case analysis. One of your commenters wrote, "makes you wonder about the people we bump into everyday". Yup. I agree. Goosebumps.
Hi Rejane - We have learned some disturbing but fastenating things from the good Doctor! It is impressive to think of the extent of his creative output! So nice to "meet" his wife in the most recent short! He gives us much reason to look forward to much more! Hope your summer is going well! 💐
I wish Dr Grande would cover the case of Thayne Ormsby of Maine. Ever since I watched the video of the police interrogating Thayne, I have been waiting and waiting to see what Dr Grande would have to say about that guy.
Keep in mind. Kevin was a nut too. Mark is a nut. We have a situation where we have two nuts and a basement. It's not hard to figure out things are probably going to go wrong for one of them.
Wow, Dr. G! Just wow, that is all I can say about this one...thanks for another weird and wild case, and physiological analysis! You are still one of my all time favourite channels. Keep up all the great work!❤
Physiological? Perhaps you meant psychology. physiological - relating to the branch of biology that deals with the normal functions of living organisms and their parts. psychology - of, affecting, or arising in the mind; related to the mental and emotional state of a person.
Dr. Grande, there's never been a more secure person (but especially man) than you as evidenced by your complete transparency and unbiased nature when it comes to the field in which one has based their entire career, and likely, their life. You perfectly showcase the concept of science: here's where we're at, regardless of how I got here, these are the flaws, if you feel as though these make this discipline moot, you've decided to completely discount it. Thanks a lot for your extremely thoughtful commentary and your effort in its research Dr. Grande
It has become obvious to me and disheartening to me that mental health is still vastly unknown as a medical phenomenon, and so many people are either misdiagnosed or not diagnosed with an issue. I also think there are too many labels for various mental health states, like is a personality disorder an illness or not (I don't think it should be), is depression really a medical condition (I have been diagnosed with "major clinical depression" for most of my life but after decades of alleged treatment I still have no relief following treatment from psychiatrists, psychologists, group therapy, individual therapy, etc.). At this point I think absolutely NO ONE knows how to treat various mental disorders and there is no effective "cure" for most of these disorders. At this stage in the world, mental health seems to be the cause of so many crimes and murders, yet nothing of any seriousness is ever done about it. All I hear is labels for various issues but no treatment. Some mental health is biological (like hardwiring issue) but some mental health is NOT biological in nature but has to do with some experience or experiences the individual has faced that warped their view of society or themselves. No cure. It is just exhausting to hear about mental health all the time in the news yet seeing NO ONE that knows what to di about it!
Maybe too many people are sitting around waiting for someone else to do something about it???? The bell tolls for you, dear. Also, electro shock therapy is apparently much more modern now and highly effective for depressive disorder but not a good option if you also have anxiety.
But really, parasites are a primary cause of not only mental health issues but most physical health issues. Farm animals receive better parasitic management than humans do (at least in the West) but if you send a stool sample to a facility that tests farm animals, you'll find out just how many parasites you're likely hosting
I agree with your assessment regarding mental health treatment and lack of further progress. It's like they think they've got MDD all figured out, and everyone should be responding well to conventional therapies. In effect, it's the patients fault for not doing better, not trying yet, another laundry list of medications, with horrible side effects. Treatments that might work a short time, then symptoms return. They need to do more and more research about mental illnesses. Not just go with what works for most, or some, people.
I disagree. I don't believe he was failed by the Mental Health Profession. Mark was a master manipulator & he used this tactic to appear normal during the mental health exams. People with Schizophrenia will act perfectly normal during evaluations in order to avoid taking or being forced to take psychotropic meds.
Agreed. If you look back at so many of the killers throughout history, people who knew them were shocked at the acts they committed. Not only that, but the killers have to be convincing enough for their victims to go with them. They can act "normal" any time they wish.
10:00 "he was highly interested in beauty & hairstyling" -- shows pictures of Kevin Bacon w/light amount of hair, yet.... no joke inserted? How was this a miss? Too obvious to insert joke here? Lol PS. Great analysis, as per usual. I did appreciate all the additional fact about "the real" KB added in. You know we wouldn't have accused you of click baiting us, had you left that out though!
I'm from the Flint area. Michigan is notorious for state workers not doing their jobs and just.collecting their paychecks, hence the Flint water situation.
Happy to hear a case from my home state Michigan and just one county away! Shiawassee county in morrice. I live in flint just to the east. Hey could we get a video about Ricky Holland from Michigan???
To me, this proves the importance to take your medication. Monthly shot or patches might be helpful in the future. Trusting the severely mentally I’ll to take there meds is impossible and dangerous.
As always I love your dry sense of humor Dr.Grande!!it was a pleasure to see you with your wife the other day!!And i absolutely always treasure your opinions 🎉simply the best!i can't count the times I fell asleep to your analysis, only to listen to it again when I wake up the next morning!!!😅
Jesus! This is so gruesome 😢 Poor Kevin. Just goes to show no matter how high someone's IQ is, they can be crazy and evil. Not all criminals have a low IQ.
I fully agree with your comments 🎉🎉🎉 Mental health problems need to be separated and treated as mental illness. Too many have been incarcerated as criminal offences. With a warped mirror to reflect apon. 😔
You might want to look into the book that is called: The Myth of Mental Illness. That excuse is used way too much to let bad people get away with bad things.
My family really enjoys watching Dr. Grande, but we would have preferred a warning, that let us know about the cooking of certain body parts. Thank you.
You should do a video on Armin Meiwes. The consensual cannibal. This story has a lot of similarities to his. Rammstein made a song about it called Mein Teil. Great song.
This reminds me of the strange case of Armin Meiwes. He is also a cannibal killer but his victim volunteered to be killed and eaten, unlike Kevin Bacon.
Mental illness is not taken seriously especially with adults. Adults can withdraw from treatment and no one can interfere and make them continue with mental health treatment. Sad 😢
@@RepentImmediately evidently you haven't known a dangerous mentality ill person who probably would of benefited by mental health to a degree that he would not of ended up killing his wife in front of the children. End of conversation.
Before graduating high school, I was very interested in psychology and was going to go to college for it, but instead went into the Marines, after I got out, I wanted to go on to college. After a couple of hiccups. I finally made it in during my time I decided to switch over to aviation. If you would’ve asked me for years ago, did I regret switching I would have said yes. If you ask me that today, I’ll say no simply because in America mental health is a rampid just turned on the news. But if you try to do right by the patient, your jeopardizing your career.
It's such a huge change how he went from academic star, husband, and father to where he ended up. I wonder how much boredom motivates people to try different lifestyles. It is unfortunate he didn't continue to use his talents to run a lab or something related to that.
So they couldn't decide whether or not he had mental problems. Yet he was found walking around naked. Yeah, that sounds like something a "normal" person would do.
Yes! Agreed! But our justice system is so ponderous! It takes literally YEARS to bring a case and those involved have their lives put on endless hold and are often browbeaten! Who would willingly submit to that kind of disruption and unpleasantness?
It takes some balls to press charges. Once it becomes public record, mom and dad or a spouse will probably find out. There would be a lot more sympathy for a woman coming forward and maybe not so much for a man.
@@psychokitty7268exactly, it isn’t that cut and dry to press charges, not to even mention all the untested rape kits that have been found, there are plenty of reasons victims decide not to pursue charges. victim blaming is really gross.
Terrifying to imagine being in a loving marriage with someone for years when out of the blue that person becomes violent and psychotic. It’s hard to accept that there were no signs of mental health issues leading up to his mental break
It can be newly acquired. Brain injury of the wrong region, mini stroke that takes out the wrong centers but also is small enough to be brushed off as a bad headache. Infection that causes damage, drug use, esp meth, early onset dementia with behavioral disturbance (basically makes them impulsive, violent, delusional, behavior and personality changes). Oh and extreme emotional distress triggering psychosis. There are probably other things I'm missing, but these are ones I've seen as a nurse where you wonder if the person was schizophrenic but looking at the chart the symptoms started randomly past the typical age (And actually a lot of the cases I saw were new onset where they were trying to find the reason it happened). Sometimes they can't find the reason because it was a temporary condition that has already resolved leaving behind permanent brain changes.
He was a chemist so no doubt he was exposed to chemicals that affected his brain. Not much different from your local homeless guy that does a lot of drugs
"Kevin may have been consumed by desire, but Mark had a desire to consume." This is why I watch your videos.
It's so unfortunate that neither of the first two men who escaped from Mark weren't brave enough to follow through with filing criminal charges. Mark could have been stopped before any one was hurt.
These are all poor victims and were shamed by homophobic/transphobic people like this on the internet!
Thank you for covering this Doctor. It is indeed, as you said, a failure of of the mental health system a tragedy for both Mark and Kevin, their families and communities. Poor Kevin.
We can do better.
Never seen the mental health system help anyone.
@@jhoughjr1 Just those that are so crazy that having a substance in their body, keeps them from losing their most basic reasoning. The mental healthy system certainly did me more harm than good.
@@jhoughjr1I've never seen anyone who complains in this fashion do anything about it.
The mental health system fails people all the time. This is nothing new.
@@jhoughjr1mental health counselors helped me. Many times. Although, Not all of them so just switch until you get to a good one.
Another case in point: you ignore mental health symptoms at your on peril , and all too often someone else’s. Thanks for sharing this with us Dr. Grande.
The predictive power of psychologists and psychology is poor. It is a very soft science if it's a science at all.
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@@coweatsman While I'd concede that psychology and psychiatry will be rendered effectively obsolete once neuropsychology has completely matured (i.e. with the full maturation of the fields of neuroanatomy & neurophysiology), I think characterizing psychology as having little ability to predict illness progression, let alone being "barely a science", is pretty unrealistic. As someone on a *_fistful_* of psych meds a day, with a better-than-laity understanding of both the principles underlying the conditions they treat and the pharmacological mechanisms of the medicines themselves -- not to mention *how I felt without them* -- my continued existence on this planet is owed to the very predictive power of the science(s) you're trying to malign. 🙃
@@Vindsvelle I'm afraid I have little hope for chemical psychiatry either. Although the prognosis for mental conditions is better for a few years after treatment starts after about 7 to 10 years it is worse than without drugs. We may be looking at problems from the wrong perspective and not realising how much our societal expectations "make" conditions out of what used not to be. Homosexuality is one example. It was "abnormal" because of prejudice and politics. Then it was not, also because of prejudice and politics. In neither case was the "science" important. It came down to values. Maybe ADHD and autism are similarly defined.
The mistake of psychology was to imagine that an "ought" can be determined from an "is". Science can tell us what, for example, homosexuality is and how it may come to exist but it can not tell us if it is abnormal. That is unscientific but that is what the DSM tried to do. Does autism have to be treated or is it just another way of being a human being? Science does not give us an answer. First autism comes in a spectrum from a trait shared by many geniuses in history to more debilitating characteristics.
The trend in psychology has been to define more and more on the spectrum as "abnormal" and in need of treatment and drugs. This easily descends into intolerance of nonconformity under the guise of public health and compassion. Homosexuality is an example. An uber conformist society is unlikely to give rise to good ideas that benefit civilisation or advance science. Today Einstein would be diagnosed as autistic or ADHD, put onto drugs like ritalin, go through school as "attentive" and well behaved and be unheralded today. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Second psychology today ignores social aspects influencing who we become. For example, imagine a zoo reporting its animals are pacing back and forward, apathetic and acting out stereotypical routines. An animal psychiatrist decides the animals are acting "abnormally' and that they need ritalin or adderall. This may reflect a lot of conditions we today diagnose as "abnormal". In many ways we have created a human zoo and we do not want to question the benefits or the magnificence of that zoo. We need to show "compassion" to the animals in the zoo through an unconscious disrespect for the animals.
@@Vindsvellewhat a great comment !
I live in the county where this happened. Latunski's ex-wife teaches at and their children attended school with mine.
Did she get Mark's trust fund ?
@LucifersDeathSquad I don't know. I believe they were divorced before this incident
Oddly enough, I drove past Mark's house today. It definitely made the hairs on my arms stand up. I couldn't help but think what went through the neighbor's minds when all of this unfolded too, like the farmer next door who I saw on his tractor. Proof it can happen anywhere.
Terrifying
meh, it's no different than our ancestors having to deal with apex predators.
we deal with predatory ppl. same ice cream, different flavor.
How this man managed to slip through the net so many times is unforgivable. He has a shopping list of disorders! It’s really makes you think who walks among us. Thank you Dr Grande for bringing this case to light.
Nicely said Beth
He was by far, smarter than the doctors. He was crazy and very smart, scary combo.
This is a wicked world....look up how many sex offenders are living within a mile of your home. We're in the territory of the wicked, Love, not the other way around.
The Patrick Bateman of cannibals.
Mental health treatment is severely lacking, it’s the same here in the UK.
Families everywhere can’t get treatment or inpatient commitment for their very ill and/or dangerous family members.
Around the 90s, most all US psych hospitals were closed when the corporations decided they weren't profitable.
In Britain they called it, “Care in the Community”. Sounds like a lovely idea but in reality it left countless families living in misery! Ronald Reagan (USA) & Margaret Thatcher (UK) made a lot of awful decisions for people who weren’t wealthy.
@@suzimonkey345The US called it normalization. It was a VERY bad idea. Now we have law enforcement resources being used for people who are mentally ill and virtually no psychiatric hospital beds, particularly long term beds.
@@suzimonkey345Yes they did make some very bad decisions with Mental health issues. Regan made a lot of other bad decisions, too. His war on drugs, was pathetic, too. He should have called it his bargain with the drug lords, because he did just that. Two areas where help was sorely needed. He failed.
@@LDiamondz Thatcher closed the coal mines in Britain, devastating the economy of northern towns…still damaged today! Did that happen in America? Did “globalisation” close manufacturing & mines under Reagan or was it more slow & steady in America?
Thatchers government also had the bright idea of selling off the council houses (very cheap) to the people who lived in them…resulting in very wealthy landlords, a housing crisis & even poorer poor people! 🙄
Have you ever noticed that there's disproportionate number of people with mental illness that pusure careers in psychology?
Go on with your bad self!
Yes, it is a well known phenomenon. Also in Psychiatry too, not that you want to hear it… they c are all trying to ‘find’ themselves!
@@AwfulDog1 it's no wonder diagnosing of mental patients is all over the place. From no malfunction to batship psychosis in the same Sybil.
Now if we could figure out why the majority of nurses range from "polyamorous" to bestiality. That's a sick bunch just ripe for a study.
Absolutely!
My ex’s mothers boyfriend was a therapist. For some odd reason they all recommended I use him as my therapist. It was strange because I would discuss the difficulties I was having with his own girlfriends daughter 😅. She also used him as a therapist. Idk, I guess my point is there are some really strange people in the field of psychology.
A person who consumes another person’s body parts…. is not right in the head. I hope they never release him.
Exactly. Another reason why our borders need to be sealed shut. Some cultures are currently practicing cannibalism and are flooding over here.
@@kaydee4296what in the goddamn Christ are you talking about?
His sentence: life without parole… that means he’s not going to be released
I would say Mark’s inconsistent diagnosis is due to the fact that symptoms are variable over time. He may certainly have presented with less severe symptoms in 2014 , severe symptoms before and so on. Since diseases like Schizophrenia and its related disorders are lifelong, he would need to have adhered to treatment lifelong and not just once or twice a year in a hospital. That likes treating cancer for one one day or taking one walk after a diabetes diagnosis with one day of diet change and expecting it to get better. The problem is consistency and continuity of care. People fail to adhere to treatment because it feels daunting to treat something for decades of their lives.
HE DID IT! DR. GRANDE GOT TO THE PART ABOUT "ONLY SPECULATING" AND HE DIDN'T LOOK SIDEWAYS WHEN HE SAID IT! OH GOD, I NEED A LIFE!
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I think its pretty obvious what happened here. He was having fantasies about cannibalism and the surname bacon just put him over the edge.
lmaoo
I hope his attorney doesn't cost an arm and a leg...
I hope his attorney doesn't cost an arm and a leg...
Victim’s risky behaviour doesn’t excuse murder, but certainly should be a warning for anyone into BDSM with strangers…
No, but his behavior did increase his odds of becoming a murder victim, significantly.
I’m just another old lady, but my advice is to never let ANYONE tie you up, or incapacitate you in any way. Add drugs and alcohol to these situations and you are playing chicken with death. I understand that people enjoy certain things, but if you are going to indulge in such risky behavior, especially with strangers, please put some forethought into protecting yourself.💕 This is such a horrific case. Praying for all involved.
@@cmthomas07 Ikr
The process called "vetting" exists for a reason, its not just for checking what's consented to and what's off the table - its also used to make sure by the time you engage in BDSM you aren't strangers anymore. Anyone who tries to avoid this process or suggest skipping it entirely is a walking red flag
@@cancelledopinion2158irony isnt lost on me
I’m curious as to why/how Mark developed these mental health issues later in life. Is it possible he worked with chemicals that brought this on?
Late-onset schizophrenia can be brought about by stress.
I had wondered about that too! Labs can be toxic!
I'm a retired chemist..., worked in various laboratories & in chemical manufacturing.While
some chemicals are acutely toxic (like cyanide) or corrosive (muriatic acid, used in cleaning
& water purification); I don't know of any that can cause acute psychotic disorders
(maybe LSD?). Sometimes long term exposure to solvents (used in oil-based paints & inks)
can cause mental/nervous deterioration similar to chronic alcohol abuse.
Mental illness seems to be brought on by environmental/behavioral factors...,
i feel like this is tweaker behavior
@@poindextertunes ... Don’t think so. No mention of a drug problem. Just a crazy problem.
The fact that almost every video can get a genuine (sometimes belly) laugh from your dry humor/delivery is so refreshing. Thanks Doc!!
I am rarely phased, but this was one for the books. And there is no one better to have delivered the story, explained so well in context with mental health.
Dr Grande has really perfected his thumbnail game
How this individual evaded capture and judgment with such frequency strikes me as an act most grievous, a trespass against the very principles of justice and vigilance. A veritable litany of disorders marks his character, as if inscribed in a somber ledger, stirring within me contemplation and a profound realization of the hidden mysteries that walk amongst us in human guise. To Dr. Grande, a beacon of enlightenment, I extend my gratitude, for his illumination of this case has brought a shadowed truth into the cold and scrutinizing light of understanding.
Sometimes you can’t tell a person is weird, not so with this case. Mark looks the part! My sympathy goes out to Kevin and his loved ones, such a loss! Than you Dr. Grande for another informative video!
I was thinking the same thing who the heck would want to be tied up by this guy! I would cross the street if he was walking down it..
@@supersarah5673 people put face pics up.
@@supersarah5673he actually has a pretty decent face behind all that hair. This is what he looks like now. There is nothing shown from the earlier days.
This is a bit unfair, most of the killers, abusers etc. looked nothing like him and nobody says "this person looks decent, you can tell he's going to hurt someone."
Actually, my former partner for 6 years looked very similar and he was the nicest person I met, he was just very sensitive and used his "dishevelled" looks as a protective layer, so that people wouldn't approach him and drain him. (My most favourite memory is that once he refused to go out as we agreed the day before, so I went to his place to check if he's ok and he was busy because he found a kitten that someone tried to drown, so he decided the best way to save the kitten would be to just dry him and warm him under his beard and sweater. And then he took a week off work to take care about that cat, who survived and was his companion for years.)
@@carnifaxx Exactly! Look at Ted Bundy!
I feel badly for them both. This is so tragic. Neither life had to end up this way. Sincere condolences to Kevin's family for their terrible loss, and to Mark's family who must have felt so lost as to what to do and the end must break their hearts in so many ways. My heart goes out to all. Nicely done, Dr G. Very sensitive, and you kept their dignity and humanity when it seems others did not. xx
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande! Hope you are staying cool with your cacti. I look forward to your analysis.
A great analysis, Doc Grande. Thank you. Regarding my own life experiences : people with mental illness don't tend to announce their more dangerous obsessions/goals, whether private, directed at self, or against a "victim". It's not like a film where the baddie says "you're going to die but first I will explain exactly how, and what I did... and all the evidence you can gather is..." running down the clock until they are stopped by a hero. They tend to be secretive. I think Mark was intelligent enough to know that he could be institutionalised if he fully admitted his level of schizophrenia, if maybe his schizophrenia was pronounced in whether it was affecting him or not (I'm not an expert here, but I feel the paranoia thing was very evident with Mark). It also highlights the problem of having front line mental health workers (and perhaps police) who were not as intelligent as Mark. If the workers are not as smart as him, they've got less chance of diagnosing him. I've had experience of this : a barely qualified mental health worker failed, and the relevant supervision of(lacking, disinterested), to see they were being outsmarted by an extremely clever, mentally ill teenage boy with autism. It didn't end well.
My friend called doctors, wrote senators and did everything possible to get help for her sister. No one in health care helped!! They would barely talk to my friend due to all the" privacy rights" The System and health care do not care for the most part.
What was wrong with her?
Dr. Grande - it's becoming increasingly easier for the mentally ill/disturbed to find each other. Thus, no shortage of issues to analyze and opine on. Always tragic. 👍💜🌵
What an intelligent, useful analysis. Sad situation all around. By the way, I actually met actor Kevin Bacon’s parents. His dad was a famous architect in Philly, my home town and his mom created a program for the children of incarcerated parents… and I worked with another social worker at the same prison with fathers. So there you have it.
Nobody likes a show-off.
I find your calm and chill demeanor to be very soothing and I can fall asleep faster if I listen to you prior to sleep.Great video as always 😊
I listen every night at bedtime. Such a soothing voice.
Consider using ‘relaxed,’ instead of ‘chill.’ If you’re aged fourteen or under - disregard
@@heli-crewhgs5285Consider chillaxing
@@heli-crewhgs5285lmao
@@Forgottenworlds777lol
While I didn’t personally know Kevin many of my friends did and all I can do is send my condolences to his family.
Sounds like victim blaming to me
🎉I ❤❤😂🎉😂
@@trevorjones4854huh?
@@trevorjones4854you sound like you want to become a victim one day !
@@trevorjones4854 ??? Grizzlytom said nothing of the sort, you nutter
I am by no way a mental health specialist but this case seemed to scream schizophrenia. A normal man while young developing such strange behaviors in his adult life.
I agree. I'm no specialist either, but grew up with a schizophrenic mother. She never stripped for no reason like Mark, but would run away and come to in places she didn't recognize. She had no idea why.
Dr. Grande you have the most soothing voice and can tell your stories so articulately. I love watching your videos
I don't agree that this is necessarily a failure of any system, although US mental health resources are really inadequate. Unless Mark was honest with clinicians about his homicidal and cannibal fantasies, and is willing to participate in treatment, even a robust treatment system will fail. Treatment relies on a client being honest and wanting help, as well as a client's willingness to comply with treatment.
Amen!
Well said and true.
Good afternoon Dr Grande, excellent analysis. As always I learn something new from your videos.
Eating Bacon and huevos on Christmas Eve is truly insanity in the 6th degree.
Ooooooh, 😮😅😮
Now U SHOULD BE A COMIC WRITER!
Helping someone who doesn’t participate in the care is a losing battle. Thanks Dr. Grande ❤️
A compassionate analysis. Thank you, Dr. Grande.
When Kevin came up missing, it made the news here in Michigan. I remember the story, because it was reported that he'd told his family how excited he was to have met someone. Unfortunately, that someone turned out to be his murderer. It's terribly unfortunate. Latunski will suffer for a long time in prison, as Michigan does not allow the death penalty.
Metro Detroit 🙋♀️
Unfortunately most inmates don't suffer while incarcerated. Unfortunately most of our prison are ran like low end resorts.
He wasn't excited to have met someone. His quote was something to the affect of how excited he was to be "abused by a line of men".
Ghastly situation. Thank you for the video.
"His thoughts about cannibalism were eating him up inside" 💀💀💀💀💀
I really appreciate the cultural context of Kevin Bacon's career trajectory in the 80s and 90s, it's the small details that set this channel apart. 👍👌
Very disheartening & disturbing how bad people can be. Wow on those pics, Mark looks a bit nutso😬. Great analysis again. Thanks Dr G😊💞💞
Indeed. Mark looks like he’s auditioning for a role in a Netflix original that nobody asked for. Like he’s auditioning to be the Great Value version of Charles Mansion. My friend, we are witnessing the facial hair of a man that has come completely unhinged from reality.
@@MadGrubble Agreed and you made me laugh with those comments!!😁 The value Manson indeed. Gross & scary hair😬🧔
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🤣❤️ I love the term “Value Manson” I will certainly be using that term going forward to describe anyone who is simultaneously crazy&trashy
@@MadGrubble I think I may also haha😅Crazy & trashy...good descriptions too👍😮
Passed a great picture of you and your wife - such a kind face she has - happy for you.
Thank you for always making my day better, Dr.Grande.
Im so glad you mentioned "Stir of Echoes" its a fantastic movie.
This is one of the many reasons that I don't have any confidence in mental health therapists and Dr's. They miss too many signs and the meds that people are prescribed seem to not work
Geeeeze, Dr. Grande. This is a particularly brutal case analysis. One of your commenters wrote, "makes you wonder about the people we bump into everyday". Yup. I agree. Goosebumps.
These are two very sad cases and difficult to make sense of.
Insightful review, Dr. Grande.❤
Hi Rejane - We have learned some disturbing but fastenating things from the good Doctor! It is impressive to think of the extent of his creative output! So nice to "meet" his wife in the most recent short! He gives us much reason to look forward to much more! Hope your summer is going well! 💐
@@bthomson You are absolutely right, I couldn’t agree more.😃
My summer is going well, thanks for asking.🥰
Hope all is well with you.💕
Great analysis , a big thank you to the Dr. Grande team. ❤
I wish Dr Grande would cover the case of Thayne Ormsby of Maine. Ever since I watched the video of the police interrogating Thayne, I have been waiting and waiting to see what Dr Grande would have to say about that guy.
New subscriber here, love your delivery peppered with dry humour.
Oh no, I've got a bad feeling that bacon is on the menu
Lol me too!
@@kevinhornbuckle😆
I love how so many viewers write their comments in the cadence of Dr. Grande; it is quite amusing
Bro you go on a dating app and meet up with a guy that looks like Charles Manson and decide to go to his house? C'mon man!!!
He doesn't look anything like Charles manson
@@thomasrussell4674in fairness, I would never say they have any particular likeness and would not visually connect the men spontaneously.
Keep in mind. Kevin was a nut too. Mark is a nut. We have a situation where we have two nuts and a basement. It's not hard to figure out things are probably going to go wrong for one of them.
I was so confused at first. I thought, what does this have to do with Kevin Bacon? (the actor) 😂
Wow, Dr. G! Just wow, that is all I can say about this one...thanks for another weird and wild case, and physiological analysis! You are still one of my all time favourite channels. Keep up all the great work!❤
Physiological? Perhaps you meant psychology.
physiological - relating to the branch of biology that deals with the normal functions of living organisms and their parts.
psychology - of, affecting, or arising in the mind; related to the mental and emotional state of a person.
@@VioletWings1353 🙄
This just makes me troubled and sad.
You have a brilliant person here.
He seemed kind of upstanding.
Damn, I just don't know anymore
Another Great Video ❤ your work!
Does anyone else watch Dr. Grande for his comedy? This man got jokes
Good grief Doc! This one was tough
Dr. Grande, there's never been a more secure person (but especially man) than you as evidenced by your complete transparency and unbiased nature when it comes to the field in which one has based their entire career, and likely, their life. You perfectly showcase the concept of science: here's where we're at, regardless of how I got here, these are the flaws, if you feel as though these make this discipline moot, you've decided to completely discount it. Thanks a lot for your extremely thoughtful commentary and your effort in its research Dr. Grande
I like Dr. Grande but his biases are incredibly obvious
It has become obvious to me and disheartening to me that mental health is still vastly unknown as a medical phenomenon, and so many people are either misdiagnosed or not diagnosed with an issue. I also think there are too many labels for various mental health states, like is a personality disorder an illness or not (I don't think it should be), is depression really a medical condition (I have been diagnosed with "major clinical depression" for most of my life but after decades of alleged treatment I still have no relief following treatment from psychiatrists, psychologists, group therapy, individual therapy, etc.). At this point I think absolutely NO ONE knows how to treat various mental disorders and there is no effective "cure" for most of these disorders. At this stage in the world, mental health seems to be the cause of so many crimes and murders, yet nothing of any seriousness is ever done about it. All I hear is labels for various issues but no treatment. Some mental health is biological (like hardwiring issue) but some mental health is NOT biological in nature but has to do with some experience or experiences the individual has faced that warped their view of society or themselves. No cure. It is just exhausting to hear about mental health all the time in the news yet seeing NO ONE that knows what to di about it!
Maybe too many people are sitting around waiting for someone else to do something about it???? The bell tolls for you, dear. Also, electro shock therapy is apparently much more modern now and highly effective for depressive disorder but not a good option if you also have anxiety.
But really, parasites are a primary cause of not only mental health issues but most physical health issues. Farm animals receive better parasitic management than humans do (at least in the West) but if you send a stool sample to a facility that tests farm animals, you'll find out just how many parasites you're likely hosting
I agree with your assessment regarding mental health treatment and lack of further progress. It's like they think they've got MDD all figured out, and everyone should be responding well to conventional therapies. In effect, it's the patients fault for not doing better, not trying yet, another laundry list of medications, with horrible side effects. Treatments that might work a short time, then symptoms return. They need to do more and more research about mental illnesses. Not just go with what works for most, or some, people.
@@RepentImmediatelyIt sounds like the OP has been doing their part, for a long time, to get proper help. Just a hunch.
I disagree. I don't believe he was failed by the Mental Health Profession. Mark was a master manipulator & he used this tactic to appear normal during the mental health exams. People with Schizophrenia will act perfectly normal during evaluations in order to avoid taking or being forced to take psychotropic meds.
I agree, a psychopathic monster more than a psychotic one, by a long shot.
Agreed. If you look back at so many of the killers throughout history, people who knew them were shocked at the acts they committed. Not only that, but the killers have to be convincing enough for their victims to go with them. They can act "normal" any time they wish.
Why suddenly psychopathic iat that age though? More like psychosis to me.
The idea the schizophrenics can turn their symptoms off & on at will is fckng absurd. Glenda has no fckng clue what she’s talking about.
People with schizophrenia (especially untreated) aren't likely to be capable of "acting normal" . It's pretty much the definition of the disease.
I feel sad for Kevin, how awful for his family too, to lose him and in addition for it to be linked to these events
Wow that's a lot of back and forth diagnoses
"it was.. eating him up inside.."😂😂
10:00 "he was highly interested in beauty & hairstyling" -- shows pictures of Kevin Bacon w/light amount of hair, yet.... no joke inserted? How was this a miss? Too obvious to insert joke here? Lol
PS. Great analysis, as per usual. I did appreciate all the additional fact about "the real" KB added in. You know we wouldn't have accused you of click baiting us, had you left that out though!
I'm from the Flint area. Michigan is notorious for state workers not doing their jobs and just.collecting their paychecks, hence the Flint water situation.
Happy to hear a case from my home state Michigan and just one county away! Shiawassee county in morrice. I live in flint just to the east. Hey could we get a video about Ricky Holland from Michigan???
Especially upsetting when very smart, seemingly good family men devolve almost overnight into mentally ill monsters! Imagine being the wife!
Or the kids. You could never recover from having a cannibal as a dad
I was thinking about the wife too, witnessing the descent into madness 😞
@@mpartisanmarket6553I'm only concerned with the children bc they are innocent children!!!
THE CHILDREN IS THE WORST PART! the wife was an adult
As someone with a monster for a father, I can confirm. There are some things that the kids will never recover from.
To me, this proves the importance to take your medication. Monthly shot or patches might be helpful in the future. Trusting the severely mentally I’ll to take there meds is impossible and dangerous.
Thanks again Dr Grande!
brilliant doc I enjoyed this video tremendously
As always I love your dry sense of humor Dr.Grande!!it was a pleasure to see you with your wife the other day!!And i absolutely always treasure your opinions 🎉simply the best!i can't count the times I fell asleep to your analysis, only to listen to it again when I wake up the next morning!!!😅
Another great video Dr grande
Love your videos brother
Hi Dr G... Hope all's well!
Jesus! This is so gruesome 😢
Poor Kevin. Just goes to show no matter how high someone's IQ is, they can be crazy and evil. Not all criminals have a low IQ.
@@darrinsmith216 I said "not all" can't you read?
I fully agree with your comments 🎉🎉🎉
Mental health problems need to be separated and treated as mental illness.
Too many have been incarcerated as criminal offences.
With a warped mirror to reflect apon. 😔
You might want to look into the book that is called: The Myth of Mental Illness. That excuse is used way too much to let bad people get away with bad things.
My family really enjoys watching Dr. Grande, but we would have preferred a warning, that let us know about the cooking of certain body parts. Thank you.
thank you for sharing. It's a very interesting case.
4:15 It was eating him up inside…
LOL
That's not how you're supposed to deck the halls, Mark!
You should do a video on Armin Meiwes. The consensual cannibal. This story has a lot of similarities to his. Rammstein made a song about it called Mein Teil. Great song.
The court allowed unsupervised visits? Those poor kids!
This reminds me of the strange case of Armin Meiwes. He is also a cannibal killer but his victim volunteered to be killed and eaten, unlike Kevin Bacon.
I thought you were going to say Armie Hammer. Eerie their first names are so close. Tho I don't think he actually killed anyone?
Do the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs aka Hammer Brothers.
The jokes in this episode are real groaners. Love your show.
Mental illness is not taken seriously especially with adults. Adults can withdraw from treatment and no one can interfere and make them continue with mental health treatment. Sad 😢
It's called human rights
@@RepentImmediately evidently you haven't known a dangerous mentality ill person who probably would of benefited by mental health to a degree that he would not of ended up killing his wife in front of the children. End of conversation.
"End of conversation"
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Before graduating high school, I was very interested in psychology and was going to go to college for it, but instead went into the Marines, after I got out, I wanted to go on to college. After a couple of hiccups. I finally made it in during my time I decided to switch over to aviation. If you would’ve asked me for years ago, did I regret switching I would have said yes. If you ask me that today, I’ll say no simply because in America mental health is a rampid just turned on the news. But if you try to do right by the patient, your jeopardizing your career.
I agree:/
Bacon 🥓 Mountain oysters.
The irony of the victim's last name is just astonishing.
Gessssh, I almost couldn't finish this one.
Fascinating
That dude was Nutsack crazy😮
Always interesting
Thank you
Peace 💕🇺🇲
Many of the subjects in these videos have trouble regulating their intake of substances,
I have trouble regulating my intake of Dr. Grande videos...
Do you smoke or mainline Dr Grandes videos?
I don't even try.
It's such a huge change how he went from academic star, husband, and father to where he ended up.
I wonder how much boredom motivates people to try different lifestyles.
It is unfortunate he didn't continue to use his talents to run a lab or something related to that.
Kevin’s decision should not be considered when determining Mark’s imprisonment.
So they couldn't decide whether or not he had mental problems. Yet he was found walking around naked. Yeah, that sounds like something a "normal" person would do.
The two men who were attacked by Mark at Mark's home and refused to press charges are complicit in Kevin's murder. The red flags are huge and many.
You’re ridiculous.
Yes! Agreed! But our justice system is so ponderous! It takes literally YEARS to bring a case and those involved have their lives put on endless hold and are often browbeaten! Who would willingly submit to that kind of disruption and unpleasantness?
I absolutely agree.
It takes some balls to press charges. Once it becomes public record, mom and dad or a spouse will probably find out. There would be a lot more sympathy for a woman coming forward and maybe not so much for a man.
@@psychokitty7268exactly, it isn’t that cut and dry to press charges, not to even mention all the untested rape kits that have been found, there are plenty of reasons victims decide not to pursue charges. victim blaming is really gross.