Enphase IQ Battery 5P Vs PointGuard Battery
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- FREE No-Obligation Quote: bit.ly/3Xoz8fN
FREE Marketing Strategy Call: bit.ly/3VgyLEj
-- Links --
PointGuard: bit.ly/47o1vPI
Solar Surge will teach you all about being energy independent and how to set up your home to run off-the-grid during an emergency. We empower families to take control of their energy generation and storage so that they will never be left in the dark without electricity.
In this video, Joe explains...
-- FOLLOW THE SOLAR SURGE PODCAST --
RUclips: bit.ly/452Rg2i
Spotify: spoti.fi/3US77fq
Apple: apple.co/3x4EIe2
-JOIN OUR COMMUNITY-
Newsletter: bit.ly/3V3c7h8
-- CONNECT WITH US --
Website: bit.ly/3Xoz8fN
LinkedIn: bit.ly/44YZg4o
Instagram: bit.ly/3KlU9l8
Facebook: bit.ly/4bTXNOR
These videos are extremely helpful for those like me who are looking for a system and don't know which one to choose.
I have news for you - it is not supposed to be something YOU choose! Experts will advise you- and they won't confuse you by talking in circles without mentioning ANYTHING that actually matters to you - if you only new - because I promise you, if you understood what was REALLY going on with your solar power, you wouldn't be watching videos to hear about the latest "tech" - you'd be doing something right away! Feel free to reach out- and I'll show you right away what I mean!
Smart loading is an incredible advantage to a system. Dropping loading during a outing is extremely helpful but also triggering loading to make effective use for solar generation or reacting to market costing. Time to turn the electrical grids on their head if you have a good solar system. Big businesses can become your customers❤
Good info. Thanks.
Please do PointGuard vs Franklin, please. Thanks!
Two things that hurt the Enphase batteries IMO is --------- A. they are extremely proprietary (only work on an Enphase system) and B. they provide limited power for a big heavy battery box because about 1/2 of each battery box is filled with Enphase micro inverters. So they not only have you buying a micro inverter for each solar panel but you also have to buy them in their batteries !
For those of us with Enphase solar, are we stuck with just Enphase batteries, or can we consider a system like PointGuard?
You can add the PoimtGuard battery to an Enphase system using AC coupling
@SolarSurge I have a planned installation of 15 Panasonic 430 W panels, each with an Enphase microinverter. LADWP still has net metering, so don't feel that I need batteries right now, but by beginning of 2026 when I buy an EV I will be considering those batteries along with an EV charger.
Will the installation I describe be compatible with PointGuard, and would you modify my system if you were looking ahead to that? Thanks for your opinion
I have a similar setup: 22 QCells with iQ8. I asked the PointGuard guy (v/ LinkedIn) and he said, sure, using AC/coupling.
Also, I think @solarsurge answered a similar question below.
By the beginning of 2026 all the battery offerings from all the companies will be outstanding compared to what is available today. Cheaper too.
@@s.lionelmcauley4455 Yep. I hope the installation price will be cheaper too; the modular batteries should help with that.
Yes, you can go either with the PointGuard Controller today, which will handle your solar. In early 2026, you can then add PointGuard batteries. If you prefer to use a different solar inverter solution, you can AC couple it to a PointGuard Home stack later; however, it will be more expensive and you won't have all the features you have if you use the PointGuard Controller today.
Are there any actual vehicles supported by the bi directional charger?
Good question. We are still waiting for standards to be agreed for bi-directional charging.
Ford's F150 Lightning and the Tesla Cybertruck both currently support it. I have heard that the capability is built into the Tesla Model 3 and Y but not currently turned on. However that support is not from Tesla but rather but a third party researcher so I don't trust it. With the current manufacturers I would look to Kia and Hyundai for support in the future. They seem to be serious about BEV implementation.
@@bryanwhitton1784 unfortunately both these only currently work with proprietary systems. The cybertruck is AC from the truck and will never work with this companies solution I suspect.
@@Tearitupsports Thus the reason for them waiting for the bidirectional standard. Hopefully that will be released within the next 6 months or so.
To clarify, our EV charging solutions already comply with the 'charging standards' out there. We can already charge any car out there today with our AC charger, and we already have those standards built into the bidirectional DC EV charger. The 'DC discharging standards' are not yet finalized. Once they are finalized and we comply, the PointGuard bidirectional DC EV charger will be able to discharge the cars that also comply with those standards. Hope that helps.
What about pointguard vs EP Canadian Cube??
Pointguard has larger capacity batteries and up to 39kwh storage per stack and 11kw power, the Canadian EPcube stackable batteries are smaller in size and capacity (19.9kwh storage and 7.5kw power per stack), If you want more of either one (Pointguard or Canadian EPcube you can install 2 or more battery stacks in parallel side by side to double, triple, quadruple, etc. the battery storage. Not sure about Pointguard but on Canadian EPcube you can connect up to 6 separate stacks of batteries together.
@@Bowhunters6go8xz6x thanks! How about price point?
@@walwor11 - On Pointguard I have not seen any prices, resellers all say "call for quote" on Canadian EPcube the 19.9kwh system with 6 batteries and controller is about $12, 500. and that is parts only (not installed).
@@Bowhunters6go8xz6x thanks! My plan is to do this next year, refinance mortgage and roll the cost of the solar into the refi
@@Bowhunters6go8xz6x Yes, you can easily do 3 stacks in parallel, which gives you a max of 34.2kW of power and nearly 113kWh of battery capacity. That doesn't happen very often, but there are homes out there that want this much and more...
In 4 months Enphase next-gen IQ-10KWh battery with GaN microinverters will be all the talk, matching Tesla PW3 in every regard including price and a 15-year warranty. Solar Edge has new LFP battery coming to market in late 2025, with a similar form and features to PointGuard.
No company in the space is standing still.
The meter collar will soon be ubiquitous with every companys installation protocol.
I am not comfortable with the new kid on the block. Sunpower was controlled by Total Energies yet declared bankruptcy.
Is it true Sunpower filed for bankruptcy?
Yes, it's official now.
is this a Chinese made product? or made in the USA/North America?
Enphase is USA. PointGaurd (Sigenergy) is Chinese.
@@vremster I’m a big believer in helping the American 🇺🇸 workers. This also contributes to the higher pay for goods and services from Enphase.
For me this mattered but to other batter specs/technology will. At the end of the day a year from now these platforms will be old school.
Point of solar is to be energy independent. Thx for your reply.
@@slacayo I share your sentiments. That's why I'd love to see the Canadian EP Cube vs. Enphase, as we have good relations and commerce with our northerly friends.
As for tech, I also agree. Get what's best for a person's situation and budget now. Waiting for the next big thing is a cycle that means waiting forever.
@@vremster your spot on. It’s like buying a TV today and 6 months later something new. Just buy and enjoy.
Love your channel man - I’ve leaned so much from you. Never a boring topic.
@@vremster Isn't Canadian EP Cube also a China related company?
I think one thing to understand is technology will always evolve. At one point Enphase was top dog…..probably better than Tesla (Powerwal 2) and this was no more than a year.
Now with Powewall 3 thave changed. I have an Enphase system w/two 5P batteries 🔋 and 17 panels at 410 watts and the platform is rock solid.
Next year there will be a new company with better battery chemistry etc. Get what fits your budget but at the end of the day electricity will only increase.
Hope my input has helped. Cheers
How much did you paid for the system? I am in Puerto Rico, and a local installer is offering me 18 Canadian Solar 550 watts panels with the IQ8H microinverters and 4 of the IQ P5 batteries for $38,000. I am trying to figure out if that a good price or should I keep looking.
hi!
I think that’s a good price. Actually way more affordable than what I paid for.
With gov credit comes out to $31. You actually have a bigger system so seems about right plus you panels take more wattage.
You’ll be happy with the system. I’m glad we did it. Also keep in mind we paid for ours outright.
Please compare big battery Ethos to Pointguard. I am close to purchasing Ethos.
I’m unclear about the base comparison. The capacity is 10kwh vs 30kwh. The power is 7 vs 11. Is the price level the same? With stackable batteries I would expect some sort of like comparison like, “at this price level” or “at this capacity”. What is the comparison where both were at around 10kwh? The system configurations seem arbitrary.
I own 24 Enphase micros for 5 years now. I would like 5P batteries but unfortunately their only single phase. So I would need three of them which makes these already expensive batteries even more expensive. Enphase is getting way too expensive .
Thanks, Joe. Looking at battery systems is Southern California. Enphase is being pushed as the best system. Pointguard is the new one to consider.
13 kw point gaurd will be equal to ep qube . Price ?
I have a unique question for you that may be affecting a lot of solar owners....now that a bunch of solar companies are going out of business, who do we choose to handle monitoring? Enphase alerted us to the fact that our installer is no longer monitoring our system. Should / can we monitor it ourselves or select another provider...with potential costs?
You can call Enphase tech support and ask that they transfer ownership of the system to you. For ongoing maintenance and repairs, I recommend SolarDetect: detect.solarinsure.com/
Franklin is now offering a 15y warranty on its American product. Pointgaurd in other countries(sigenergy) can offer single phase 5/6/8/10/12kw single phase range and vast 3 phase range. Great developments for the renewables space. Enphase is and phenomenal architecture as well.
How about comparing PointGuard vs. Franklin Whole Home battery comparison ?
Nice job. Maybe you already have this done but if not it would be very helpful to have a video specific to load hub or similar technology. How does the hub know which device, appliance, or circuit can be disabled or run at reduced capacity? The technology is great but the details of how it goes about it would be great. I know using a sense monitor on our breaker box some things it has a 100% rate of identification but more often than not it doesn't have a clue. So curious how these devices know how to route power to outlet.
How intelligent are these systems? If they cut my washer off mid load and leave my laundry sitting in water for however many hours I will be upset.
Pretty much all battery backup systems like Pointguard, Canadian EPcube, etc. have a computer with some AI and a phone app to help you make adjustments on battery use settings but you should also know what will happen if power goes out and it switches to battery backup or when batteries get low and know that you need to check on your laundry and finish that load and then to quit doing laundry as soon as possible as washing and drying laundry will suck down batteries quickly.
@@Bowhunters6go8xz6x For me it’s more of a, what if I scheduled my laundry to run during hours of clean energy and I’m not home, or asleep. A few hours from being able to manage it myself. Is it smart enough to know it was in the middle of a load? Will it be smart enough to not start the load, or might it have enough to start, then hit a trigger halfway through and stop it? I have a lot of “smart home” tech, but there’s lots of dumb quirks you have to work around. Just curious how these systems make decisions. I’d rather run the generator after going through storage power than have certain systems cut out mid use simply because they draw high power and the battery hit 50%.
You have all the control. The spirit behind how we approach load control is this: Imagine the power goes out and your battery takes over servicing your home. Your AC is on, your pool pump is whizzing away, your clothes washer is in the rinse cycle etc. If you are not home, or if you don't notice that the power is out, your battery could be empty within an hour or two.
Then, night time comes, and you and your family are at home without any lights, without the ability to charge phones, without the ability to make dinner or put a piece toast in the toaster, in fact, your food is now at risk of going bad. Your kids are scared because it's pitch black. This is now turning into a negative experience... And you even spent money on home batteries!!
Wouldn't it be better if your home battery system would turn off the pool pump when your battery is below 90% charge? And your AC if your battery is drained to..., let's say 50%? That way, your remaining battery power can be used for essential loads that mostly use much less electricity, like your refrigerator, your lights, your kitchen and bedroom plugs so your alarm clock keeps working, so your lights are on, so your food is safe from spoiling.
It's up to you: Do you want your washer, pool pump and your AC to run until the battery is empty, or do you want to make different decisions...
PointGuard Load Control let's you make those decisions. And if your washer is in mid-cycle when the system turns it off, you can go to the app and turn it back on 🙂
I knew that there's no comparison between the two systems. I'd like to see a comparison of floor stackable systems that can do whole home backup.
You could have used manufacturers retail pricing to get a cost per kwh for comparison, installation costs are variable as you state. But relative pricing is very important.
A stackable whole home system like this PointGuard system is exactly what you say you want (whole home backup) as it can have up to 39kwh's of battery storage and 11kw of power, very few homes are so large they will need more than 11kw of power unless you live in a Beverly Hills mansion and if that is the case you can probably install 2 of them for nearly 80kwh of storage and split the homes loads between the two.
Does the Point Guard V2X DC charger do bidirectional with any vehicle in north america yet? I found a Sig Energyblistbfor the EU and it only listed Nio vehicles, but I javen't been able to find anything for North America yet.
We are still waiting on Bi-directional charging standards for US vehicles. The hardware has the capability though
Thanks for doing the comparison.. as someone looking into purchasing a solar system, I appreciate the information. I do have a minor criticism, however. In quite a few of your videos, it feels like you are protecting installers, more than consumers. Sometimes I get the impression that a particular product is better for installers, not necessarily better for the purchaser. An example in this video would be your unwillingness to give prices, citing that certain installers may charge more or less. I would prefer you protect the purchaser. For the example above, you could have said something like, “… you should expect to pay around $xxx for this system. If you are quoted more than $xxx, you may want to question why their quote is higher than normal - it’s possible they are including a value-add that other installers are not including.” Nonetheless, I do enjoy your videos and the info presented, and I will continue to watch!
I appreciate your feedback but I think I your looking at it the wrong way. What’s good for your installer is also good for you as a consumer. It’s not an us vs them situation. If your installer cannot make a profit, he will go out of business and leave you with an abandoned system. We need everyone to win long term and that means installers being able to make a profit so they stay in business.
@@SolarSurge I so agree with you on this.
Well done, Joe. Both are good systems by all accounts, but I agree that on the specs alone PointGuard has the edge. I do wish that Enphase would have more seriously considered the limitations of a 5kWh battery in a box as large as is required. Far too many clients do not have the wall space for 4 or 5 batteries, and when 2 Franklin or 2 Tesla batteries or a stack of PointGuard batteries exceed that capacity in less wall space and at lower cost, it makes choosing Enphase harder.
It seems a problem with the microinverter-based approach. Enphase announced (at RE+) that they would have newer batteries "early 2025" as well as iQ9 inverters, using GaN. Hopefully the iQ9 allow for larger batteries
@@epelegrillopart Yep, their battery boxes are about 50/50 battery storage and micro inverters in size and weight.
I’m getting more and more convinced that point guard + rec alpha panels will be the best bet for my Tucson home. Low temp coefficient of panels and I really like the modularity of point guard. I assume you can do something like buy 2 8kwh batteries. Later on if you get an ev and need another battery you can easily add another 8 and bidirectional ev charger
It’s super clean and compact too
Yes this will be a strong combo.
re: warranties -- the new FranklinWH has 15 years and 60 MWh throughput!
Yes. Franklin just increased warranty to 15 years.
@@SolarSurge the 60MWh number is about 15 kWh a day for 15 years, or +16 kWh/day for 10. I'll do a double check on the fine-print but that seems a lot to me.
Big deal, they are still capital venture funded and you have no idea if they will still even be in business two years from now to support the warranty! They haven't even turned a profit.