Grievous: ''Master, I have returned from Coruscant and successfully assassinated the supreme chancellor.'' Dooko: ''That was NOT the plan!'' Grievous: ''Well, your plan was dumb. By the way, were is lord Sidious?'' Dooko: ''Ugh.''
Darth Deadpool. *5 Seconds After Existance Of This Character, He Somehow Destroyed the CIS and the Galactic Republic, and formed the Empire of Stabby Things*
If he did know... "Yes, my Lord?" "I need you to kidnap Palpatine." "At your comm- wait... aren't you *cough* Palpatine?" "Don't question. Just play along."
"Army or not, you must realize you are doomed." - General Grievous. What did Grievous meant by that cryptic remark towards Kenobi? To me, it sounded like he somewhat knew that Palpatine and Sidious are the same person. Either that, or he tried but failed to intimidate the Jedi Master.
I know I’m like 2 years late but I will give my opinion on the remark. Right before he says this, the clones begin invading Uttapua. In my eyes, Grevious was referring to the clone amry, and how they will make no difference in the outcome of their duel and he is ‘doomed’.
Gary The Snail then the count would become the master and assaj his apprentice. order 66 would not have been given. and the clone wars would of been alot longer. the Empire would have never been.
ausnurten But what if he had killed Palpatine by accident? Referring to the 2003 animation, Palpatine could have been killed countless times, or revealed. Grievous could have indirectly or directly killed him in a number of ways that would be a freak accident of sorts, and Palpatine couldn't defend himself and kill Grievous or use his abilities unless he wanted to reveal himself. In either of those situations, Palpatine was fucked on what he was limited to do.
Armin Reindl I'd like to see him try. Palpatine was able to kill several masters before they could react, and was totally unafraid of Grievous. Force lightning alone would probably be enough.
At one point Sidious and Grevious fought along side each other against Maul and Mother Talzin, whom was possessing Dooku's body, I would think Grevious would take notice of Sidious resembling the Chancellor
Who's Asking? True. But Sidious was extremly adept in Sith techniques that cloud the perceptions of others. I belive that even if Grievous stared directly at the coweld visage of Sidious he would not reckognize him if the Dark Lord does not want him to. "The Dark is generous"
Dooku would have been a better Emperor... I'd love to see an alternate universe where Dooku became emperor and Grievous took on the role of jedi killer instead of Vader.
"I will not fail you again, my Master. Kenobi will die." "See to it." "Master? If I may trouble you with boldness why did you not let me kill Chancellor Palpatine? We may never get a better chance." "The time was not yet ripe. Patience, my general. The end of the war is near, and victory is certain." "Even with the loss of Count Dooku?" "Dooku was not lost, he was sacrificed-a strategic sacrifice, as one offers up a piece in dejarik: to draw the opponent into a fatal blunder." -- Revenge of the Sith
In the CW series you can figure out that his surveillance didn't ask for questions neither report to anyone whenever he left the Senate. Like when he went kill Savage.
Emperor Palpatine Dooku invited me over to watch some clones get rekt by a guy with horns all over his head, I think there were a couple Jedi he killed too, good stuff. That's a really nice tv-table-thingy whatever-it-is ya got.
I agree Tuomas, there is a nice scene in Labyrinth of Evil between Palpatine and Grievous where it seems as though Palpatine is giving Grievous his due. I think the scene could be interpreted in a number of ways, but I saw it as Palpatine/Sidious appreciating Grievous' ability. I hope that you enjoyed the video Tuomas and thank you for watching!
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If Grievous had known that Sidious was the chancellor, he would have slaughtered the idiot, or at least stopped following his orders. Would have been nice to see Grievous lead the droid army against the Republic/Empire.
Separtist are confused and go by dooku and grievous' plans so they recapture geonosis and make factories thus accelerating the production of droids and getting back the deathstar they complete the deathstar in the 4th year of the war (after of course they get back pamment drive yards) they besiege the capital of kuat and coruscant then space laser kamino and rothana. separtist seem like they're winning at this point until the republic launches a massive assault on the separtist and win after losing 168 jedi, 80,000 clones, 570 venator class ships and the pride of the core. the republic knocks out the deathstars travel systems and it ends up plummeting into the planet of raxus. the separtist army is still alive but the cis themselves are all gone. the republic no longer uses clones for battle and the republic eventually crashes the end.
if grevious got angry and tried to kill palpatine, he would most likely incinerate grevious with force lightning before grevious could attack. there would most likely be no witnesses because the guards would be dead and there would be no witnesses. and palpatine would reveal himself to grevious and order him to continue to "capture" him.
im intrested what would happen if dooku forgot to tell grevious to not harm palpatine and grevious killed palpatine what would change in the events to follow
random guy order 66 would never occur a new senate will be chosen and the clone wars will never happened and finally anakin never became a sith and the republic is safe for generations
well if grievous killed sidious by accident, that would fuck shit up for the sith but if sidious revealed himself and killed grievous in front of jedi, that would also fuck shit up for the sith.
yeah, the supposedly none-force-sensitive chancellor that people already have their suspicions about uses the dark side to kill grievous in front of the jedi on coruscant. yeah, not suspicious at all....
Absolutely love these videos. Do you happen to know what type of Jedi Meetra Surik was, as in the guardian-sentinel-consular system? I haven't been able to find a reliable source of information to find out.
ginantsfan5 And the war would have dragged on for years, and as more seasoned Jedi generals died, the clones would start to lose to the vastly larger droid army. The Republic would have gotten deeper into debt for more clones, whose quality would begin to diminish due to the death of Jango Fett. Separatists would have eventually won, whatever victory means at that point. Wow! I got a bit neckbeardy in that theory.
I don't know. Without Sidious to keep the seperatists together I could easily see them falling apart, or getting defeated. One Jedi is worth 100 battle droids after all.
He had to know of order 66 though when he told Obi Wan you must realize you are doomed. As in the Jedi purge through the clone betrayal. But it fits that he could know about order 66 and not of Palpatines duel persona.
It wouldn't make sense to tell Grievous Sideous and Palpatine are the same person. That secret was the cornerstone of the Sith's plan and it needed to be closely guarded. The more people who knew, the greater the risk of the word getting out. Also, learning Palpatine's true identity might cause Grievous to go rogue since he hated the Republic. Although it's possible Grievous would be ok with it since Palpatine's plan led to the destruction of the Republic he hated and the CIS which he had little to no love of. In fact he would probably be overjoyed to go along with Palpatine's end game and be a general in the Empire. Grievous hated having to command a droid army and would likely love to command sentient soldiers like the storm troopers. He may use lightsabers, but he is not a force-sensitive so he's no threat to Vader, Palpatine, or the rule of two (plus the emperor does have many non-Sith dark side users that work for him). The Empire is racist against non-humans, but Sideous is willing to have competent alien commanders such as Thrawn. Grievous would be a powerful asset to the empire as both a powerful warrior and battle-hardened, experienced commander. The one hiccup with this would be his hatred of Anakin Skywalker, but I don't think it's a deal-breaker. He was fine being subserviant to Dooku (a former jedi) Dooku was no longer a jedi. I think he would be willing to work with Anakin, or at least not try to fight him, once his turn to the dark side occured.
Also when Grievous broke the space port window in the duel with Anakin and obiwan and he uses it to escape risking palpatine being sucked into the void.
Great video! Real question is, "Was it a suprise to the public that Palpatine was Sidious?" My answer is a DEFINITE no. And I hope that's widely the same. Way before Phantom Menace was released I read he was Emperor 'Palpatine' and it was also visually obvious! I'd be very suprised if anyone didn't put two and two together... and it also appears that Ian McD himself was suggesting he didn't know the link back in 1999?! I feel that very difficult to believe! ☺
I would love to see a fanfic where grievous gives into his hate for Palpatine and kills him outright, to which Dooku is forced to take the title of dark lord of the sith and lead the CIS to victory, which I'm fairly sure they would win if Palpatine wasnt pulling the strings
Can you please do a video about the Darksaber, the unique black lightsaber? It's my favorite lightsaber, and one of my favorite things about Star Wars in general.
Think video makes Grievous a ruthless but hilarious individual. Ruthless because that's how he has always been and hilarious due to his ignorance about Sidious being Palpatine.
And Grievous cared for his people, he knew the Jedi had killed his people, if he had known that Chancellor Palpatine was Darth Sidious, he would’ve realized that Sidious set up his people’s deaths, and would’ve joined the Jedi to fight the Sith, if he had known.
During the climax of "Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir" Sidious takes Grievous with him to Dathomir to rescue Dooku from Mother Talzin. A simple hood was all that kept Grievous from seeing his face, but there are ways around this. Should his hood have come off, he probably could have used his dark side powers to distort grievous' perception (he was able to mind trick Grievous in "Labyrinth of Evil", after all). He may have also used the dark side to distort his voice just to be safe.
I believe he did know Palpatine was Sidious because if you watch the beginning of episode III, when Anakin and Obi Wan are captured and taken to General Grevious, Grevious takes the lightsabers from a droid, he says "That wasn't much of a rescue." Then the camera shifts to Palpatine and he has a worried look on his face as he looks towards Anakin and Obi Wan, hoping his cover wasn't blown just then.
I'll just leave a comment by General Grievous while fighting Obi Wan, which may give the benefit of the doubt "Army or not, you must realize, YOU ARE DOOMED!"
Can you make a video explaining how it is that the republic cruiser which shot the Invisible Hand out of the sky did not know that their chancellor was still on board? Surely they should know better than to engage a ship that contained their leader.
yes because hes brain got changed when he was made a cyborg (they promised not to but did anyway) then they probably would have made him loyal to palpatine and another way could be that grivieous thought palpatine was breaking the republic and eventualy make it a part of the C.I.S
I think he would feel betrayed and tricked so he would try exposing Sidious And then giving himself to the Jedi because everything he standed and fought for was a lie
grievous was a tool for dooku like dooku was a tool for sidious but I'm not surprised that dooku kept grievous in the dark about who palpatine was just like sidious did his plans to use dooku until Anakin was powerful enough to beat him ..still I wonder what if grievous had killed sidious do you think that sidious would have killed grievous if a attempt was made on his life ..after all he was the most powerful sith Lord of that era
That's just what people want, Jar Jar being killed. All we know of Jar Jar's story is that he was running Imperial Senate missions, mainly to the outer-rim. Remember, Jar Jar viewed Palpatine as a friend
Do The Zillo Beast After the Clone Wars. Cause palpating ordered it to be researched and cloned after its death because of its impenetrable scales that he wanted to ten into ship armour.
In the comics : » sons of dathomir « , when general excape he went to join sidious ....so how did he do that if he did known where to find him....who he was truly ??
Interesting to think of how things would have unfolded if Grievous killed Palpatine/Sidious on or above coruscant, disobeying Sidious' and Dooku's commands.
Not sure if you've covered this but I was wondering what your thoughts are on how things would have played out if the asassination attempt on Dooku in Dark Disciple had succeded
Sidious would most likely find a new apprentice or accelerate his plans to turn Anakin to the dark side. And Grievous for the most part take Dookus place as leader of the CIS.
I doubt Grievous would have been able to hold things together like Dooku. He lacked the charisma of the Count which could have chased off many of the Seperatist allies. As far as Anakin goes again idk personally if it would be any easier to turn if the Pubs gained a huge advantage.
Funny thought that Grievous did assume Sidious to pardon hostage taken Palpatine's death. But no, Sidious did not forgive Grievous abandoning him, his alter Ego Palpatine, aboard the doomed Invisible Hand, while fleeing in the escape pod.
Excellent analysis!- But the original Clone Wars cartoon shorts are not concidered canon- but the 6 season Clone Wars series and Clone Wars film is canon
if grievous had been informed of palpatine's true identity its most likely he would want an explanation as to why the dark lord wanted to start this war of clones and droids and ask him what the fate of the separatists is to be before using his menacing tactics of drawing four sabers on him in vain attempt to coax answers out of him. to which sidious would show him how futile his resistance actually is by either destroying his limbs or by force electricuting him a few times to show him how superior he is as a master of the darkside. thus forcing grievous to submit to his plans
Hi Star Wars Reading Club I have a question. Is the 2003 clone wars canon? I know Disney said that all tv series are considered canon but this one was before Disney bought Lucase Films and some episodes in both series contradicted each other at times.
Sidious: Go kidnap palpatine from coruscant Grievous: yes my lord, should i also kill him to drive the republic into chaos? Sidious: NO! Grievous: why? Sidious: you will find out why...
Grievous was always a pawn in Dooku’s, and sidious’ game, and Dooku was always a pawn in Sidious’ game. Sidious played them all for fools....none of them were true bad guys, but merely corrupted and deceived by the dark lord.
I wouldn't be surprised that if grevious did know of palpatine and his alter ego that grevious probably would have killed him out of rage of being lied to, mainly because grevious was a general that was fighting a war so that is goals can be reached.
well in legends there is an equal to it I forgot the name but I will just tell you how you get there so in legends there is a dark side move that can have you swap bodies when you die but its an extremely risky move to do cause if the person your trying to control shows resistance you will be sent to a cave filled with lava having no way out
I think in Star War "heaven" and "hell" were more like states of being than actual places. States of being that were stronger after death when one returned to the force, so those who tried to control the force and feared death would not enjoy it, but a jedi or other force user who sought to become one with the force would feel quite at home. Like drowning or swimming, respectively, I think.
Except he did. In the original swtcw series he knew that palpitine was at his residence and walked in (fought some guards) and palpitne walked out with him.
We need to remenber, that if dooku or palpatine told grievous, that the supreme leader of the Republic was in fact darth sidious, grievous maybe told the jedi. Both dooku and sidious knew that grievous often has been captured by the republic. If they torchered him, he could break and reveal the secret. So i think the reason why they didnt told grievous, was that palpatine dont want to take the risk. Everybody knowing, that palpatine was darth sidious, is a major threat to him and his plans. So why telling grievous more than he must know? He was completly loyal to dooku and sidious. And the fact that he captured palpatine, made it neccesairy to not tell grievous. It had to look a normal crime to the jedi. Any respect from grievous to palpatine would trigger the jedi sirens
They didnt even tell him about the situation that led to him being a cyborg so i wouldnt expect them to tell him the master plan since it isnt relevant to him.
Grievous: ''Master, I have returned from Coruscant and successfully assassinated the supreme chancellor.'' Dooko: ''That was NOT the plan!'' Grievous: ''Well, your plan was dumb. By the way, were is lord Sidious?'' Dooko: ''Ugh.''
Luke van Kleef dooku*
Luke van Kleef that sounds like what it would be like if Deadpool was in the star wars prequels
Dooku was also on that ship
Darth Deadpool.
*5 Seconds After Existance Of This Character, He Somehow Destroyed the CIS and the Galactic Republic, and formed the Empire of Stabby Things*
sidious would have just killed grevious
Imagine what would've happened if grievous just decided to go on instincts and murdered Palpatine then and there.
Episode 3 would have been drastically different
TenthSgtSnipes Palpatine would have sensed it and stopped it somehow
He wouldn't have let Grevious do that...
Pelpy probably had some sort of failsafe
And exposed himself as a super-powerful Force User. Yeah, there's a few holes in this plan
If he did know...
"Yes, my Lord?"
"I need you to kidnap Palpatine."
"At your comm- wait... aren't you *cough* Palpatine?"
"Don't question. Just play along."
Mike Wanutski he wouldnt cough because mace windu crushed his organ-baggy thing when greivous captured Palpatine to stop ihm which failed
Felix Schwinger He coughed even beforehand. His suit isn't all that perfect...
+Mike Wanutski Still, Grievous wouldn't cough as much as TCW Grievous. That version is aids.
that's actually what caused him to cough
Andrew Beaudin it was mace wasn't it ? Since he crashed his chest with the force , or was it another event that made grievous cough
Who HASN'T Palpatine tricked at this point?
My mom
Clone commander Fox your wrong. he tricked her into having you and now youre being manipulated by him even now without knowing it.
Well it what clones do get tricked by a Sith Lord so ya
The force.
John Porteous Sand?
"Army or not, you must realize you are doomed." - General Grievous.
What did Grievous meant by that cryptic remark towards Kenobi? To me, it sounded like he somewhat knew that Palpatine and Sidious are the same person. Either that, or he tried but failed to intimidate the Jedi Master.
I know I’m like 2 years late but I will give my opinion on the remark.
Right before he says this, the clones begin invading Uttapua. In my eyes, Grevious was referring to the clone amry, and how they will make no difference in the outcome of their duel and he is ‘doomed’.
What if General Grevious disobeyed Count Dooku and killed Chancellor Palpatine?
Gary The Snail then the count would become the master and assaj his apprentice. order 66 would not have been given. and the clone wars would of been alot longer. the Empire would have never been.
Gary The Snail tbh I don't think grievous could have
Repins Watson Ventress became very strong in the force, and Dooku was forced by Sidious to kill her. He obeyed, but she didn't die.
ausnurten But what if he had killed Palpatine by accident? Referring to the 2003 animation, Palpatine could have been killed countless times, or revealed. Grievous could have indirectly or directly killed him in a number of ways that would be a freak accident of sorts, and Palpatine couldn't defend himself and kill Grievous or use his abilities unless he wanted to reveal himself. In either of those situations, Palpatine was fucked on what he was limited to do.
Then palpatine would've force lightninged the fuck out of grievous for his insolence.
I would love a comic showing an alternate version in which Grievous just kills Palpi out of frustration. I just think its funny to think about it.
Armin Reindl "palpi"
Armin Reindl I'd like to see him try. Palpatine was able to kill several masters before they could react, and was totally unafraid of Grievous. Force lightning alone would probably be enough.
while Palpatine was unarmed and constricted he would have had a chance imo
If Palpatine viewed Grievous as a threat for even a second he'd be a dead cyborg walking.
Palpatine would laugh at the idea.
At one point Sidious and Grevious fought along side each other against Maul and Mother Talzin, whom was possessing Dooku's body, I would think Grevious would take notice of Sidious resembling the Chancellor
yeah he was right next to him
Citation?
Son of Dathomir: Issue #4.
Who's Asking? True. But Sidious was extremly adept in Sith techniques that cloud the perceptions of others. I belive that even if Grievous stared directly at the coweld visage of Sidious he would not reckognize him if the Dark Lord does not want him to.
"The Dark is generous"
They have one thing in common they’re both unmerciful.both Enjoy torturing and enslaving innocent lives.
General Grievous would make best Ermperor. Yup. All hail Grievous.
Hahaha omg, the galaxy would go to shit if Grievous became Galactic Emperor!
More like be AMAZING SHIT. There is already a theory about this, sadly it doesn't end the way I had hoped. Poor Grievous always ends up dead...
Skoll Shorties Yeah his coughing alone would be enough to keep people and objects in line.
Dooku would have been a better Emperor... I'd love to see an alternate universe where Dooku became emperor and Grievous took on the role of jedi killer instead of Vader.
Robin Powell Oooh yes. I'd love that.
"I will not fail you again, my
Master. Kenobi will die."
"See to it."
"Master? If I may trouble you with boldness why did you not let me kill
Chancellor Palpatine? We may never get a better chance."
"The time was not yet ripe. Patience, my general. The end of the war is near, and victory is certain."
"Even with the loss of Count Dooku?"
"Dooku was not lost, he was sacrificed-a strategic sacrifice, as one offers up a piece in dejarik: to draw the opponent into a fatal blunder."
-- Revenge of the Sith
Maul Force was this actually said I don’t remember it
@@wakanda9985 There was a novel that released with the film. Odds are that's where this quote came from.
Palpatine was always under surveillance, so how did or where did he go to make those hologram messages with the robe and hood???
In the CW series you can figure out that his surveillance didn't ask for questions neither report to anyone whenever he left the Senate. Like when he went kill Savage.
Because I'm a gangster.
Hey Palpatine, you have a pretty chill apartment in the industrial zone of Coruscant man.
ChrisMDB Why thank y- Wait how do you know about that?
Emperor Palpatine Dooku invited me over to watch some clones get rekt by a guy with horns all over his head, I think there were a couple Jedi he killed too, good stuff. That's a really nice tv-table-thingy whatever-it-is ya got.
Grievous was in the dark unlike Talzin, Maul, and Dooku. Ventress also was unaware.
sidious and grievous would made good team.
I agree Tuomas, there is a nice scene in Labyrinth of Evil between Palpatine and Grievous where it seems as though Palpatine is giving Grievous his due. I think the scene could be interpreted in a number of ways, but I saw it as Palpatine/Sidious appreciating Grievous' ability. I hope that you enjoyed the video Tuomas and thank you for watching!
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Grievous to Sidious: “But the death of Count Dooku?” ; Sidious to Grievous: “His death was a necessary loss”
Snoke Weed Everyday
Papa Palps has spoken!
Quinton Lane Yes... yes. Finish this bowl for me.
Emperor Palpatine feel the smoke flow through you
Supreme Weeder Smoke
Khalil Darth Tyus Aaaand you killed it...
wow, such charisma and enthusiasm
If Grievous had known that Sidious was the chancellor, he would have slaughtered the idiot, or at least stopped following his orders. Would have been nice to see Grievous lead the droid army against the Republic/Empire.
also the clones as well.
he would have completely dominated everyone
Considering what we've seen Sidious do to Maul, Savage, and Dooku, it seems more likely he crush Grievous into paste.
I'm not saying Grievous should confront Sidious directly, but basically by rejecting him entirely he could have done so much more.
Trying that probably would have gotten him killed by Dooku.
I love these videos. Keep up the great work.
What if Grievous got angry and killed Palpatine?
TheWinterLord15 first how?
Grievous would be dead Darth Sidious would not, simple as that...
Separtist are confused and go by dooku and grievous' plans so they recapture geonosis and make factories thus accelerating the production of droids and getting back the deathstar they complete the deathstar in the 4th year of the war (after of course they get back pamment drive yards) they besiege the capital of kuat and coruscant then space laser kamino and rothana. separtist seem like they're winning at this point until the republic launches a massive assault on the separtist and win after losing 168 jedi, 80,000 clones, 570 venator class ships and the pride of the core. the republic knocks out the deathstars travel systems and it ends up plummeting into the planet of raxus.
the separtist army is still alive but the cis themselves are all gone. the republic no longer uses clones for battle and the republic eventually crashes
the end.
Without Palpatine sabotaging the Republic's war effort ,the Republic buries the CIS with sheer numbers.
if grevious got angry and tried to kill palpatine, he would most likely incinerate grevious with force lightning before grevious could attack. there would most likely be no witnesses because the guards would be dead and there would be no witnesses. and palpatine would reveal himself to grevious and order him to continue to "capture" him.
I think they should have used him more. Imagine the empire having Vader and grievous both as leaders/generals that would be a huge advantage.
i love the end of the first cartoon showing why Greivous had trouble breathing
im intrested what would happen if dooku forgot to tell grevious to not harm palpatine and grevious killed palpatine what would change in the events to follow
random guy order 66 would never occur a new senate will be chosen and the clone wars will never happened and finally anakin never became a sith and the republic is safe for generations
Or Palpatine would just kill Grevious?
well if grievous killed sidious by accident, that would fuck shit up for the sith but if sidious revealed himself and killed grievous in front of jedi, that would also fuck shit up for the sith.
I'm pretty sure Palpitine would DESTROY Grevious in a fight. He could probably use the force to literally rip poor grevious apart.
yeah, the supposedly none-force-sensitive chancellor that people already have their suspicions about uses the dark side to kill grievous in front of the jedi on coruscant. yeah, not suspicious at all....
oh yea nice work man I enjoyed this one
enjoying all your videos
As always great video!
Absolutely love these videos. Do you happen to know what type of Jedi Meetra Surik was, as in the guardian-sentinel-consular system? I haven't been able to find a reliable source of information to find out.
sidious played him (and basically everyone else in the clone wars) like a fiddle.
what if grevious killed palpatine
Then order 66 probably wouldn't have happened I'm guessing!!!!!!!!!!
ginantsfan5 And the war would have dragged on for years, and as more seasoned Jedi generals died, the clones would start to lose to the vastly larger droid army. The Republic would have gotten deeper into debt for more clones, whose quality would begin to diminish due to the death of Jango Fett. Separatists would have eventually won, whatever victory means at that point. Wow! I got a bit neckbeardy in that theory.
That's a very one-sided idea of what would happen if he died.
Shiro Nogitsune If they ever do a What if comic of Palpitine dying at that point, I doubt there'll be a quick and happy ending for the clones.
I don't know. Without Sidious to keep the seperatists together I could easily see them falling apart, or getting defeated. One Jedi is worth 100 battle droids after all.
I love how you say "in this video exposé"
He had to know of order 66 though when he told Obi Wan you must realize you are doomed. As in the Jedi purge through the clone betrayal. But it fits that he could know about order 66 and not of Palpatines duel persona.
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It wouldn't make sense to tell Grievous Sideous and Palpatine are the same person. That secret was the cornerstone of the Sith's plan and it needed to be closely guarded. The more people who knew, the greater the risk of the word getting out. Also, learning Palpatine's true identity might cause Grievous to go rogue since he hated the Republic. Although it's possible Grievous would be ok with it since Palpatine's plan led to the destruction of the Republic he hated and the CIS which he had little to no love of.
In fact he would probably be overjoyed to go along with Palpatine's end game and be a general in the Empire. Grievous hated having to command a droid army and would likely love to command sentient soldiers like the storm troopers. He may use lightsabers, but he is not a force-sensitive so he's no threat to Vader, Palpatine, or the rule of two (plus the emperor does have many non-Sith dark side users that work for him). The Empire is racist against non-humans, but Sideous is willing to have competent alien commanders such as Thrawn. Grievous would be a powerful asset to the empire as both a powerful warrior and battle-hardened, experienced commander. The one hiccup with this would be his hatred of Anakin Skywalker, but I don't think it's a deal-breaker. He was fine being subserviant to Dooku (a former jedi) Dooku was no longer a jedi. I think he would be willing to work with Anakin, or at least not try to fight him, once his turn to the dark side occured.
5:43 General Greivous IS crazy. He’s psychotic and sadistic!
Also when Grievous broke the space port window in the duel with Anakin and obiwan and he uses it to escape risking palpatine being sucked into the void.
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"A crAAzy person."
Great video! Real question is, "Was it a suprise to the public that Palpatine was Sidious?" My answer is a DEFINITE no. And I hope that's widely the same. Way before Phantom Menace was released I read he was Emperor 'Palpatine' and it was also visually obvious! I'd be very suprised if anyone didn't put two and two together... and it also appears that Ian McD himself was suggesting he didn't know the link back in 1999?! I feel that very difficult to believe! ☺
Great job!
now that is an interesting what if scenario:
What if the invisible hand killed everyone still on board while crashing into Courosant
Grevious: "SO WAS GETTING CAUGHT YOUR PLAN???"
Palpatine: "Ofcourse"
"Now im gunna crash this ship... with no survivors!!!"
another great video ^.^
I love your finals!
Palpatine was the ultimate troll by not telling Grevious it was him
I would love to see a fanfic where grievous gives into his hate for Palpatine and kills him outright, to which Dooku is forced to take the title of dark lord of the sith and lead the CIS to victory, which I'm fairly sure they would win if Palpatine wasnt pulling the strings
i love these videos
Please do what if grievous did kill palpatine...
Zaine Williams then order 66 would never occur and prbably a new senate would take his place
Zaine Williams sidious would kill grievous in an instant.
did obi wan kenobi know palpatine said "its treason then"?
Can you please do a video about the Darksaber, the unique black lightsaber? It's my favorite lightsaber, and one of my favorite things about Star Wars in general.
Think video makes Grievous a ruthless but hilarious individual. Ruthless because that's how he has always been and hilarious due to his ignorance about Sidious being Palpatine.
Dude, most of the people in the war had no idea.
***** Not smart? He's a General! He has to be smart! Then again, The movie and Clone Wars CGI series really dumbed him down...
And Grievous cared for his people, he knew the Jedi had killed his people, if he had known that Chancellor Palpatine was Darth Sidious, he would’ve realized that Sidious set up his people’s deaths, and would’ve joined the Jedi to fight the Sith, if he had known.
That’s another piece of evidence, right?
for everyone wanting a short answer its here -_- 3:07
2:10 "if it had not been for the laws of this land I would have slaughtered you"
During the climax of "Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir" Sidious takes Grievous with him to Dathomir to rescue Dooku from Mother Talzin. A simple hood was all that kept Grievous from seeing his face, but there are ways around this. Should his hood have come off, he probably could have used his dark side powers to distort grievous' perception (he was able to mind trick Grievous in "Labyrinth of Evil", after all). He may have also used the dark side to distort his voice just to be safe.
I believe he did know Palpatine was Sidious because if you watch the beginning of episode III, when Anakin and Obi Wan are captured and taken to General Grevious, Grevious takes the lightsabers from a droid, he says "That wasn't much of a rescue." Then the camera shifts to Palpatine and he has a worried look on his face as he looks towards Anakin and Obi Wan, hoping his cover wasn't blown just then.
I'll just leave a comment by General Grievous while fighting Obi Wan, which may give the benefit of the doubt
"Army or not, you must realize, YOU ARE DOOMED!"
Can you make a video explaining how it is that the republic cruiser which shot the Invisible Hand out of the sky did not know that their chancellor was still on board? Surely they should know better than to engage a ship that contained their leader.
Isn’t just amazing how putting on different clothes can make you a completely different person?
Here's a question: Would he have been loyal to Sidious if he knew he was Palpatine?
yes because hes brain got changed when he was made a cyborg (they promised not to but did anyway) then they probably would have made him loyal to palpatine
and another way could be that grivieous thought palpatine was breaking the republic and eventualy make it a part of the C.I.S
majumper Well, the only confirmed changes to his brain were making him more aggressive, and removing traumatic memories.
i said it could be
I think if he knew Palpatines plan he would have followed him, he knew he shouldnt oppose Palpatine and he gets to kill Jedi.
I think he would feel betrayed and tricked so he would try exposing Sidious And then giving himself to the Jedi because everything he standed and fought for was a lie
grievous was a tool for dooku like dooku was a tool for sidious but I'm not surprised that dooku kept grievous in the dark about who palpatine was just like sidious did his plans to use dooku until Anakin was powerful enough to beat him ..still I wonder what if grievous had killed sidious do you think that sidious would have killed grievous if a attempt was made on his life ..after all he was the most powerful sith Lord of that era
easly with his powers he would sence the attack comeing its imposible to just suddenly stab him
lordaizen66 no bcz he did not see Vader's attack coming in ep 6
Mista Fizzy while in a blind rage??? yea ,most people lose there ability to think or see ahead in a blind rage i would not use that as a example
What happened to Jar Jar Binks after RotS?
I believe he had something to do with the rebels alliance and storm troopers kill him
TimeKaiser nobody knows....😱😱😱😱😱😱
That's just what people want, Jar Jar being killed. All we know of Jar Jar's story is that he was running Imperial Senate missions, mainly to the outer-rim. Remember, Jar Jar viewed Palpatine as a friend
TimeKaiser Jar jar is a hidden Sith who was planning to take over the empire😂
He was Snoke aprentice, before Kylo
Do did Grievous now about order 66?
Most awesome vid!!!!!!!!
Do The Zillo Beast After the Clone Wars. Cause palpating ordered it to be researched and cloned after its death because of its impenetrable scales that he wanted to ten into ship armour.
I am going to see Rogue one tomorrow don't worry when I get back I won't spoiled
2D Clone Wars ending leads directly to the beginning of Revenge of the Sith.
In the comics : » sons of dathomir « , when general excape he went to join sidious ....so how did he do that if he did known where to find him....who he was truly ??
Before watching the video, in Episode III book Grievous wanted to just kill Palpatine and leave so doubtful.
Now I want to know what would happend when Grievous killed Palpatine after he was captured in the battle of Coruscant...
Did Admiral Wullf Yularen know Darth Vader's true identity in the Empire?
Sandpaper I think he put it together eventually
would palpatine had grievous killed along with the separatists during order 66?
i assume he would have since he is a droid. Especially one who is gifted at lightsaber-ing
joethahobo cyborg
whatever
Shadow Dragon God he might of been an inquisitor
He is a Kaleesh...not a robot
I wonder what Grievous does in his free time.
your mine old man!
Interesting to think of how things would have unfolded if Grievous killed Palpatine/Sidious on or above coruscant, disobeying Sidious' and Dooku's commands.
Not sure if you've covered this but I was wondering what your thoughts are on how things would have played out if the asassination attempt on Dooku in Dark Disciple had succeded
Sidious would most likely find a new apprentice or accelerate his plans to turn Anakin to the dark side. And Grievous for the most part take Dookus place as leader of the CIS.
I doubt Grievous would have been able to hold things together like Dooku. He lacked the charisma of the Count which could have chased off many of the Seperatist allies. As far as Anakin goes again idk personally if it would be any easier to turn if the Pubs gained a huge advantage.
castantino Grievous would have most likely kept them in line through fear any who would leave would be slaughtered by him.
Funny thought that Grievous did assume Sidious to pardon hostage taken Palpatine's death. But no, Sidious did not forgive Grievous abandoning him, his alter Ego Palpatine, aboard the doomed Invisible Hand, while fleeing in the escape pod.
Excellent analysis!- But the original Clone Wars cartoon shorts are not concidered canon- but the 6 season Clone Wars series and Clone Wars film is canon
I bet Supreme Chancellor Palpatine told General Grievous to kidnapped him from Coruscant to the Invisible Hand.
in the lego droid tells when grievous was kidnapping the channellor he called palpatine "boss" meaning he knew so is that canon or no
What do think would have happened to Grievous if he had survived, not necessarily kill obi-wan, but just surviving?
General Grievous captures Darth Sidious and brought him captive on the Invisible Hand.
if grievous had been informed of palpatine's true identity its most likely he would want an explanation as to why the dark lord wanted to start this war of clones and droids and ask him what the fate of the separatists is to be before using his menacing tactics of drawing four sabers on him in vain attempt to coax answers out of him. to which sidious would show him how futile his resistance actually is by either destroying his limbs or by force electricuting him a few times to show him how superior he is as a master of the darkside. thus forcing grievous to submit to his plans
Hi Star Wars Reading Club I have a question. Is the 2003 clone wars canon? I know Disney said that all tv series are considered canon but this one was before Disney bought Lucase Films and some episodes in both series contradicted each other at times.
Sam Reiley No. it's no longer canon. The 2008 version and rebels are.
Sidious: Go kidnap palpatine from coruscant
Grievous: yes my lord, should i also kill him to drive the republic into chaos?
Sidious: NO!
Grievous: why?
Sidious: you will find out why...
can you do a video on heaven and hell in Star Wars?
bigphil2695 there is no heaven and hell, there is the living force and cosmic force
Guess it's easy to win when you're controlling both sides.
Well we all know what would have happened if he even though about attempting to kill him.
If Grievous knew he wouldn't fight for the CIS.
Grievous was always a pawn in Dooku’s, and sidious’ game, and Dooku was always a pawn in Sidious’ game. Sidious played them all for fools....none of them were true bad guys, but merely corrupted and deceived by the dark lord.
I think Sith tell Grievous: we have the enemy leader, *NOW WE CAN DO ANYTHING!*
Unfortunelly two young Jedi ruin the plan...
I wouldn't be surprised that if grevious did know of palpatine and his alter ego that grevious probably would have killed him out of rage of being lied to, mainly because grevious was a general that was fighting a war so that is goals can be reached.
Was there a heaven or hell in Star Wars
xX_SHOTGUNNY _Xx good question
well in legends there is an equal to it
I forgot the name but I will just tell you how you get there
so in legends there is a dark side move that can have you swap bodies
when you die
but its an extremely risky move to do cause if the person your trying to control shows resistance you will be sent to a cave filled with lava having no way out
I think in Star War "heaven" and "hell" were more like states of being than actual places. States of being that were stronger after death when one returned to the force, so those who tried to control the force and feared death would not enjoy it, but a jedi or other force user who sought to become one with the force would feel quite at home. Like drowning or swimming, respectively, I think.
In episode 5 Han says "Then I'll see you in hell".
Both
Except he did. In the original swtcw series he knew that palpitine was at his residence and walked in (fought some guards) and palpitne walked out with him.
Ive got an Idea about who Snoke really is. Snoke is actually a Jawa who learned Basic.
Dookus sith name was dart tyrannus not Darth dooku
Lol, that would make him crazy, or Grievous has a very strong misunderstanding of the dark side of the force.
No, he never should know about this because it could be dangerous to the plans of Dookan and Palpatine.
We need to remenber, that if dooku or palpatine told grievous, that the supreme leader of the Republic was in fact darth sidious, grievous maybe told the jedi. Both dooku and sidious knew that grievous often has been captured by the republic. If they torchered him, he could break and reveal the secret. So i think the reason why they didnt told grievous, was that palpatine dont want to take the risk. Everybody knowing, that palpatine was darth sidious, is a major threat to him and his plans. So why telling grievous more than he must know? He was completly loyal to dooku and sidious. And the fact that he captured palpatine, made it neccesairy to not tell grievous. It had to look a normal crime to the jedi. Any respect from grievous to palpatine would trigger the jedi sirens
Grievous was captured precisely one time on Naboo, and he told everybody to get fucked.
@@maxburrill6192 thanks for your comment. Makes me happy to see someone still engaged in the discussion.
They didnt even tell him about the situation that led to him being a cyborg so i wouldnt expect them to tell him the master plan since it isnt relevant to him.