Missandei has always been in my "Top 3 beauties" of the show (along with Danerys and Margaery). The order varied along the way, depending on my mood at the time and how they looked in the current episode.
She’s does the braids because it is the Dothraki traditions as she’s following from Drogo From the first season, viserys said the reason they have braids so long is cause they’ve never lost a fight. And you will be his queen. The braids are also Targaryen tradition as well and you can see that in the House of the Dragon the way their hairs are styled to represent the dragon scales. However if a dothraki leader dies in battle then the braid gets cut off like they’ve shown in season 1.
I think Carter had a pretty good review at the end there. All of these moments on paper should be groundbreaking, pivotal scenes. Things that people would look forward to and rewatch dozens of times just because it was such a special/important moment. Instead of feels dry, brittle, shallow, and forgettable.
yes! Because of the pacing there is no real buildup and with that no real payoff. It just happens and I'm thinking "oh, that was fast". We see Casterly Rock and Highgarden the first (!) an the last (!) time in this single episode, we don't know any soldier in the Lannister or Tyrell army. The moments of "surprise" to break with the viewer's expections are unsatisfactory. Like "oh, it has to be Arya on the gate" - "oh, nevermind, it's just unemotional Bran".
The thing that gets me about seasons 6-8 is that these huge things happen and then they never come up again. Like Cersei blowing up the Sept of Baelor. That episode is one of my favorites in the whole show, but it is diminished somewhat by the fact that there were no consequences. I mean, I think people would be pretty upset if the largest, most important "church" in the Seven Kingdoms was destroyed and killed hundreds (or thousands). Wouldn't there be some kind of backlash for such a huge event? It's the equivalent of the Vatican being blown up if you think about it. But it's mentioned in the first episode of season 7 and it's literally never mentioned again. It's like everyone just said, "oh well, too bad about the Sept being mysteriously engulfed in wildfire and blown apart, but anyway..." From there, it's more and more like the show had a checklist of things that need to happen and the showrunners had to hurry up and check off items to get to the end
Also I think it's because D & D like the characters and the actors so much and being TV writers they are used to weekly TV shows were nothing ever happen of consequences, the same characters survive, etc. So when they got passed the books and the awesome writing of GRRM, they wrote GoT like a regular TV series. Episode 1 of Season 7 should have been King's Landing in chaos after Cersei blew up the Sept of Balor with people in revolt. Cause the Sept of Balor was essentially the Vatican and these were VERY religious times. But D & D like Lena Heady so much that they act like "it's all cool". Like nothing happened.
We also never see the ruins. Like ever. Not even in a brief shot. You’d think we would be able to see the broken sept stonework, especially when Danaerys flys overhead in S8 but nope.
In their defence it moves much faster than the other seasons...also simply put all the people to react are allready dead cercie rules through fear and such....people are overly critical on this show.
@@Replica_Films2000 Not sure if expecting some sort of consequence, even if it was just a small one, to the most heinous crime ever committed in Kings Landing falls under being “overcritical”.
People seem to forget that we're not watching "24"... events aren't happening in real time. Two factors contribute to all the "teleportation" memes... 1. The shortened seasons caused them to accelerate the pace of events being shown, so things that happen days, weeks, or even sometimes months, occur in the next episode or even within the same episode. 2. Part of the trimming that went into compressing the season did away with a lot of the "throwaway lines" that gave us a sense of the passage of time... Cersei's comment in Season 1 Episode 1 "we've been traveling for a month, surely the dead can wait" told us that even though the news of Robert heading north and the arrival of his entourage happened within a few minutes in the episode, a month of time had passed between those scenes. The term "a fortnight" (2 weeks) was also mentioned a time or two along the way. Losing those little context clues made the compression of time far more jarring. There could easily have been a line about how long Jon's journey took, but in what I consider a bad writing/editing decision lines like that were considered non-essential and were left out to squeeze what should have been 10 episodes into 7 (or 6 for season 8)
@@LuizVieiraPintoNeto LOL. So you enjoyed trying to figure out what is going on screen in HOTD season 1 after a few huge time jumps? Or season 2 being in stall mode the whole season, leaving all the lead characters of the show, as third rate characters? What D&D did for the end of the show as far as pace, wasn't confusing at all, it's small potatoes, compared to the mess George had done in HOTD. What teleportation machine was used in Season 1 episode 2, of GOT, when one moment Ned & Robert are eating in the fields outside of Winterfell & just later on they are already in King's Landing? Did it not take a month for the King to arrive at Winterfell on horseback? You guys have no imagination to conjure up that movement was made off screen, because haters have a hard on for D&D. The same guys who did the highly rated season 6 without any books in tow. There were huge potholes in the first 5 seasons, much bigger then bitching about pace, if you took the time to look for them.
@@bill.godwin-austen Haters have no imagination, especially when it comes to bashing D&D. What you said, is precise. It took a month for Robert to arrive at Winterell, but a half an episode to arrive back at King's Landing. The haters have a short memory, because most of the hate came from book readers, who always gave George a free pass for the very same violations, but to a higher degree then of D&D, yet they are pointing fingers at D&D. Look at the pacing of HOTD. Huge time jumps in season 1, but season 2 was in stall mode, leaving us at the end of season 2, exactly where season 1 left off.
I agree with the other comment. Why on earth would Daenerys believe Jon? She doesn't know him. Tyrion, the one who knows him the most in the room, doesn’t even believe him. But you guys expect Daenerys to believe Jon just because you like Jon? (Even though show Jon is also a boring goody two-shoes one dimensional Ned carbon copy who was stripped of his entire personality but people seem to like the boring characters). White Walkers haven’t been seen for thousands of years. There's no evidence they ever existed. Even Ned Stark didn't believe they existed and he's a Stark from the North. Plus, Jon is the enemy in Daenerys' eyes. Why on earth would she trust him? Jon was the idiot who walked into the room thinking she would just believe him. . Why would Jon falling in love with Daenerys be the end for his character when the Starks are the 2nd most inbred family after the Targaryens. They've had uncle/niece marriages and Jon's maternal grandparents were 1st cousins. It isn't out of the warps of reality for that to happen nor is it unrealistic. Daenerys' dialogue made perfect sense. She's been working up all this time to take the throne. Now she suddenly has this northern man, the son of a man who deposed her family, telling her the dead are coming for everyone and he expects her to drop everything and take her dragons and armies to fight this alleged war. Not a reasonable ask at all. Jon and Daenerys are the central characters of the show and it was always inevitable. Jon and Daenerys' rushed relationship was one of the faults of the show actually. It wasn't one of the major bad points but just not fleshed out properly. Season 7 definitely has it's faults but Daenerys' speech and Jon/Dany isn't one. The former was fine and the latter was just rushed.
Its funny that when Daenerys fans talk about her they just make enough excuses for her, but on the other hand when Sansa met Daenerys and didn't trust her (for a very good reason, instead of Daenerys) Daenerys fans criticize Sansa for the same reason. And people try to accuse this channel of double standards, thats funny.
@halflingdesaovicente - Jon wanted Daenerys to upend everything and take her armies and dragons to the North to fight a force no-one believed existed. Sansa had issue with Daenerys despite Daenerys coming to the North to fight alongside the North (where the North would be attacked first and face the most harm) upon request from Sansa's brother. It's not the same situation at all. Sansa then the following episode quickly forgave the man who crippled one of her brothers, fought against her eldest brother and attacked her father but had issue with a woman who was the daughter of a man long dead she never even knew herself and said woman had done nothing to her except listen to her brother and come and fight for Sansa's homeland. Without asking him to bend the knee I might add. Jon chose to bend the knee despite Daenerys not asking him too. Sansa's issues lie with Jon as he shouldn't have bent the knee after Daenerys had already agreed to fight for them.
@@halflingdesaovicente maybe cause Jon and Dany didn't know each other and Jon was asking for her help without giving her anything and return. but as for Sansa and Dany, it shouldn't be a matter of trust. she literally LOST HER CHILD to save her brother, and send all her forces, armies and dragons to defend Sansa's home, and she couldn't even respect her. there's no comparison
@@Nihilanth ”Jon was asking for her help without giving her anything in return,” yet dany invited jon to come before her and bend the knee without anything in return. Jon set the stakes and emphasized the severity of the situation to get across that he was telling the truth knowing that tyrion trusts him
14:08 actually, it is. seeing from her pov, she's the queen of the **Seven** Kingdoms, and the north is one of those kingdoms. she can't just conquer the iron throne while someone else's calling himself king in the north, cause that would be a rebellion (just like Robert and Ned fought against Balon Greyjoy and the iron island "independence"). as for Jon, HE'S the one asking her for help, while giving her nothing in return. she doesn't know the white walkers exist, so seeing from her pov, why would she risk her dragons and armies to fight a war, even tho she knows Jon will not give her the north? it's pointless
It's not about who's making the better argument, which is why I don't understand their criticism. These are two people with very different POVs and their words fit their characters. Also, Dany becomes more obsessed with the Throne the closer it gets, kind of mirroring Stannis, and I think based on the history of Westeros, George sees the Throne as a kind of "one ring of power".
The Maesters of the Citadel must be pretty incompetent if all it took to cure a disease, they thought was incurable for centuries, was simply to "read the book and follow the instructions." Yea, GoT is very "tv" now, because things like this are coming easier and more conveniently. I actually like Season 7, because goated stuff happens, but re-watching it, it's more concerned with things being cool than things making sense. Like how they're hoping nobody notices or cares that Cersei nuked the *Great Sept Baelor.* That would be like someone blowing up the Vatican in our world. But it's just never addressed. Game of Thrones felt like realistic history in the early seasons because there were realistic consequences to actions. Big and small.
Yall have been spot on in your review today, as you said exactly 1. It feels more of a TV show now 2. everything is moving too fast now 3. Littlefinger and Varys fall off 4. The storylines are nice and hype, but "things are just happening". I'm not that big of a hater of these last few seasons, especially since I marathoned them, but the main issue people had were huge expectations for it, that's why the hate back in the day reached the levels it did. Otherwise it wasn't thaat bad, but hey yall stay unbiased make your own conclusions.
@@grigorisgiannikos4999 if they managed to liked HOTD S2 Im sure they gonna like Season 7 but that will not happen because if they do like it their Patreon comments will roast them 😂
The little details are cool. Cerseis handmaiden who walks in on her and Jaime is the same handmaiden who walked in on Sansa and Shae threatened with a knife back in season 2. Hair and clothes changed to match Cersei too. Tiny detail but shows attention to it.
In regards to the scene where Jon and Daenerys meet, you guys were kinda....needing to think harder I guess, lol. Here's the sense you're saying was missing. Daenerys' dialogue made perfect sense and it was perfectly positioned for her character. Why should she care about some fable from the North just because a stranger calling himself a king of a land she's supposed to have a claim to said it's a threat? She's not like Rhaenyra and she didn't hear about Aegon's prophecy from her father. She sailed to Westeros to take the throne and the seven kingdoms that she believes she has a claim to, not to fight some mythical being that may or may not exist. Jon was absolutely silly to walk in there and expect her to just listen to him, to drop everything she's planned and go north, that's absurd. Her speech and response to him was to drive home the fact that she's come a very VERY long way both in distance and in experiences, she's NOT going to just change directions now for something she doesn't believe in, and she is "born to rule the seven kingdoms" meaning that is her one and only priority. That speech was one of her best in the entire show and you guys just made fun of it. Did not sit right with me. I hope you get it now.
also the north is bigger than most other kingdoms combined, it's self-sustaining during winter, it produces great fighters, it's not prone to rebellion and much more she would literally never give them independence for all the aforementioned reasons and the fact that other kingdoms would then seek it as well
That speech comes off overly aggressive and somewhat questionable because you can already see the rushes D&D are injecting into "Dany is mad king now" plot line they so desperately need to set the precedent for. Like "So many men have tried to kill me I don't even remember their names " b*tch my brothers in arms SUCCESSFULLY killed me, what is this speech lmao
S7 was well received at the time so it's not a surprise that you guys are enjoying it tbh you need to finish the whole show and then make an assessment.
Nah one thing I will say, I like y'alls reactions and stuff but I sense a bit of negativity from you guys towards Dany. Obv she isnt any of you guys' fav character that shows but u seem to be forgetting what she went through to get where she is right now. When someone says something good ab her or her titles I see sighs and "this is long" etc but when someone else says something ab your fav character its absolute cinema. Put some respect on Dany's name
I get what you're saying but most people didn't agree with what Dany was saying because of how much she didn't consider or understand where Jon was coming from. We understand that she's been through a lot but so has he and many others in the show. She deserves respect but she does not respect others all she wants is to be a queen. It's clear in this episode that it's all she cares about. I respect Dany but she needs to understand that no one has trusted or heard of her and all they know is that her father was the mad king. Besides even if Jon steeped down the northerners would not care about her since they trust no one but there own and she's never earned their trust
Season 7 only becomes terrible in hindsight when you look back and realize season 4 was in a different class. 6,7 and 8 became almost a satire of the first few seasons. Hamming up the action and expectations of the show. 7 and 8 in particular remind me of HOTD season 2. Things are happening but it doesnt feel weighted/grounded and the only reason we care is because the prior seasons groundwork.
season 7 and 8, bad dialog, location teleportation, devoid of logic decisions, writers forgetting plot points, character assassinations, plot armor, 200% cok jokes
if you watch paying attention it becomes terrible, the only way to be '''good'' is turning off you brain and just watch the spectacle and forgeting immediatly
Also season 7 is full of nonsensical small decisions. Highgarden not good at fighting ? There is no other cousins for the Tyrells ? An important noble family getting annihilated like that is quite stupid
@@anabourdieulol especially since high garden is a very defendable fortress and from what we saw of the Lannister army they didn’t even have seige instruments or anything. Even is the Tyrell’s we’re outnumbered fighting from within a castle is a huge advantage
I think it's rather that they are trying to make her believe white walkers exist and if they would also tell her he came back from the dead Danny would think they're insane. It would make what they tell her just even more unbelievable.
Even during the House of the Dragon time what the Starks said about the Long Night and white walkers seemed outlandish and that’s when dragons were flying around. The Old Gods of the North, Wildlings, and First Men are considered very primitive to the rest of Westeros. The Northmen are known to spin these wild tales. Even Daemon didn’t believe it until his vision in season 2 of HOTD. This is also why I said to remember the history between these families because Daenerys and Jon can only go based off what they know about each other’s families. They’re right not to trust each other initially given their family history. Even when Jace went to visit Lord Stark in HOTD, there was a reference to Aegon the Conqueror visiting the King in the North and making him bend the knee.
The boys are already starting to see what the issue is through these last couple seasons. A lot was fan service. The costumes were incredible though. The biggest problem is this went from an amazing show, down to amazing episodes, down to amazing scenes. With any luck though, the low expectations created by the comments make them actually appreciate the show a bit more than they would have otherwise. I for one am still enjoying the reactions though, so keep it up guys. 😊
@@Skylingalemy guy people are allowed to appreciate what they appreciate. Season 7 still had a couple good episodes, but mostly through this season and definitely s8, it was down to good scenes (even if the overall episode sucked). Let people enjoy what they like. Sheesh.
I knew beforehand that this would be your exact reaction to Daenerys' speech; there has always been an underlying misogyny on this couch when it comes to Dany, I remember in earlier seasons how every time Daenerys was on screen, the girl didn't even open her mouth and Carter was already rolling his eyes. You can like Jon over Dany, that's completely valid, you just don't have to be subtly misogynistic about her. I always forget that men will be men at the end of the day.
Bran has absorbed all the information of the previous Three Eyed Ravens. I think it also helps to not give in or use Bran's persona and give his loved ones like Meera or his siblings hope. It's better they understand right away he isn't & never will be the same.
What I don't like about later seasons is how they spell things out all the time, like they don't trust the intelligence of the viewer. Like Sansa and Jon arguing battle strategies in front of people. Or in dialogue when Tyrion say to Jon:"children are not their fathers" and cliche stuff like that.
Dany's response to Jon made perfect sense for her. She is there to conquer and to have the first King she meets not bend the knee is insulting & she is so focused on the throne it will take a lot before she puts the fight for the world before the fight for the throne.
@@seancarroll5803 I love Jaime but you are right. Shows the laziness of later Seasons. How on Earth did the Lannisters won a Siege so quickly? They showed us like it's Fait Accomplit. Personally If they wanted the Lannisters to beat the Tyrells, I would have done it differrently yet arriving with the same results. For example, the Tarleys were lieges for the Tyrells. They swore allegiances to them. Maybe the Tyrells would not know they talked to the Lannisters and made a deal with them. So just have the Tarleys army lure the Tyrells on a lark somewhere and kill them all or lure them somewhere so the Lannister kill them.
I really like the way you guys review this season so far! And I agree with all of em. I just have to say! Don’t let fans’ opinions guide your judgement! Experience it first. Then have your own opinions.
This. I am as hardcore of a GOT fan as it gets, and I think season 7 is Fantastic, and season 8 is also VERY good. the details are important in the last couple seasons and so many people stopped paying attention to details, and just started rooting for a character.
@@RP-zj8ro Not to forget that even George is tired of the books! Too many characters, too many stories, and to connect these stories together and so on!! It was too much even for George to finish it! The beginning of the show was too slow! Like it took 6 seasons so that Danny could get to Westroes!! fans got used to it and when things moves faster in s7-8 , they got mad! Like why? It would need 15 seasons to end it if wasn’t a bit faster!!!
The only real problem with season 7 for me is the pacing. In season 1 it took many episodes to go from Winterfell to King's Landing. This made the world feel "real" and immersive. Now Jon can travel from Winterfell to Dragonstone in 10 minutes, the Lannister army goes from Casterly Rock to Highgarden in less than an episode... places have become just names on a map. I don't hate the season, the story progresses nicely, although I personally think the writing is a bit on the "safe" side, especially if compared to the first 4 seasons: it's not a big deal, you can't have Red Weddings all the time. But yes, the pacing issue, especially in relation to travel, really irks me.
@@mid1880 so you would rather the show just be 15vseason long and we have to watch 7 episodes of the armies just walking accross the kingdoms? Nah man if it was like that nobody would want to watch long enough to see the ending. There was not enough extra story to make the "timing" realistic like youre saying. There was big things to get to and alot of them needed some of the shock value to really hit. If we knew the armies were coming every time it loses the shock value and the WOW moments.
@RP-zj8ro you don't need teleportation to get shock value, as the first seasons masterfully showed us. And yes, I'd have preferred 2-3 extra seasons to pace the story properly. It's a matter of setting the tone: the pace shift in season 7 and 8 is jarring because it wasn't like that in the previous seasons, i.e. they didn't set the tone properly to prepare the shift. Basic writing mistake. The same goes for season 8: people complained because the finale didn't deliver what was promised for most of the characters. Good writing always keeps into account the trajectory of the arcs of each character. And while the writers did get some right in season 8, they also butchered other arcs for "surprise value". But a good story doesn't necessarily need surprises. The butchering actually starts in season 7 with Littlefinger and Tyrion. Now, as I mentioned, this is not a deal breaker for me, I still enjoy season 7 enough despite some flaws. But when it comes to season 8, well... that's a different story. We're not there yet, though. :)
@@CinemaGek it’s clearly on the top of your mind that you insist on talking about it every video. Influenced or not you can feel free shut off the outside noise and keep the convo to what you 5 just watched In that room
@@keef5 I partially agree but at the same time it's better for them to express it if they're thinking it rather than subconsciously judge everything through the lens of public reception
I, myself, don't think like that and agree that I believe it can cloud your perception, but it's just a thing many, many people do and think like and if this is how they express their views it is what is is and I don't necessarilly disagree
That’s the reason why people don’t like season 7 as much. It just lacked and felt shallow. When I watched season 7 for the first time, I thought it was alright but I could tell it wasn’t what it used to be like in season 4. The timing just turned me off personally like when John gets to dragonstone as quick as he did. It’s like things just happens to just check things off
This episode contains one of my favorite quotes in the whole show. It shows Cercie's rotten soul. That monologue Cercei gives Ellaria and Tyene in the jail is the meanest and agonizing speech she has given. The part where she says, "You will live to watch your daughter rot, to watch that beautiful face collapse to bone and dust all the while contemplating the choices you've made." AUGHHHH That killed me. It's a dark and viceral ending in my opinion, but I loved it...the speech, I mean.
Counterpoint: I was perfectly content to see the plot move forward instead of wasting a bunch of time and setup on an inconsequential feint in which the Unsullied barely even did any fighting. And I rather enjoyed how the showrunners set up the scene with Tyrion's conversation narrating it.
Tyrells, largest army in Westeros, gets taken out super easily by the Lannister army which has been fucked to hell and back by Robb and Stannis. Yup, checks out. Just regular Season 7 shit.
Dany's attorney here. My client has never seen any of these mythical monsters. To her, Jon is talking nonsense and she's tired of them bullshit. She, like Sansa for example, wants to eliminate a very clearly real threat that is Cersei.
Honestly, the Sand Snakes are just irredeemable bad guys. "You killed the man I loved, even though we both ruotinely fucked a bunch of other people, seperatly and together, so now I must kill your daugther who unlike my lover, had nothing to do with any of this besides being related to you."
It's funny how if they say they like s7 half of the comments will be mad because in their eyes s7 is trash, but if they say they don't like s7 other half will be mad because they are "Influenced by haters too much". Guys let people have opinions. I think s7 is almost as bad as s8 but if someone doesn't agree with me it's okay, i don't care. Also people have the right to say negative things about s7 in the comments, it's not like they try to change these guys opinion, they just sharing their view
It’s like how people kept saying the boys must have seen spoilers because they would guess things right, failing to notice how many things they’d also get wrong, and also failing to remember just how much people guessed right during the years we watched it live. They’ve had way less time than we did to speculate, but they’re very switched on and observant about things in the story line. I’m glad they’re still enjoying it.
Littlefinger thought sending Sansa to Ramsey would break her & make her easier to control. Not harder. He manipulated 3 Tully women but it will take the one that's a true Stark to not only break from him but string him along long enough to get ahead of him for once.
"Tell Cersei, I want her to know it was me." Lady Olenna goes out a savage. RIP to the Queen of Thorns, one of my favorite characters in the show. 18:16 "Super easy, barely an inconvenience." I see Carter watches Pitch Meetings. I guess I'm kinda glad that the comments set your expectations so low then, because most of you being pleasantly surprised that season 7 is good, is nice. I am curious how y'all will ultimately end up feeling about the show, it seems like Carter will be the first one to jump on the hate train, but we'll see.
Danny's response to Jon just shows how at that point in time she is single mindedly focused on the seven kingdoms - anything else isn't important to her. She's not listening to what Jon says because it has no direct relevance to her goals and motivation. She is yet to be convinced or enlightened as to anything more important than conquering the 7 kingdoms - and who is this guy who shows up, a rebel king who is talking about stuff which just has no context for her. Also, if he is not a 'Stark' (he's just a bastard), who has been chosen by the North as a king rather than inheriting it through his bloodline - why would he be beholden to the oath of the Starks?
Carter feels how we all felt about Season 7. For me, GoT kinda became a Marvel movie - lots of production with occasionally fun fan service, but kind of shallow.
That first negotiation with Dany contained one of the hallmarks of bad writing & a personal pet peeve of mine - characters magically becoming dumber just to introduce conflict or advance the plot. Dany, who woke dragons from stone by conducting a blood magic ritual that was revealed to her in a series of dreams (last part cut from the show, granted), who had those visions in the House of the Undying, who just did *another* magical act to burn all the khals... suddenly doesn't believe in magic🤪
I love that you guys are enjoying this so much!! Please continue to form your own opinions and not letting the haters get to you. It's wild to me that people would try and convince you not to like something. I fucking loved this season and the last one, honestly there are a LOT of people who love them but the online discourse is dominated by haters because let's be real, people who like things don't spent 10 years on the internet ranting about it. Hope you continue to have a good time with this show! Even with its flaws it's better than almost all television out there.
I think im one of the few fans that loves this season for so many reasons and don't agree with ppl saying this season was bad at all i mean I get it why they say that but still disagreed honestly you're going to experience so many emotional and heartbreaking moments from now on so be ready for it 💔
I really like watching reactions to this show but sometimes I feel like you guys are missing the fun in it. Your reactions to moments that were awesome feels spoiled. When it came out, it was a phenomenon that people gathered to watch in bars and cheer over. Your reactions are really bumming me out. I get the feeling that people new to the series just seem to want to complain. You reactions have been poisoned by comments. Just enjoy it. Have fun.
@@seancarroll5803 Not at all. I watch reactions to share in the pleasure I felt watching them and I just feel they may have had too many spoilers and aren't able to enjoy it to the max. Strange how you misconstrued that. Hmmm.
Its not a TV show feel. I think yowall are influenced by the bias views posted by some. This obsession to rank seasons is nuts and will just spoil your enjoyment of the show.
“You don’t feel the same as me so you must be biased!” Stop complaining and let them feel how they feel about it. Some of yall take reaction videos way too seriously
Why are you guys so obsessed with what other people think about these last 2 seasons, you're always bringing it up, you should watch it and decide for yourselves, and because of that you're going into these last 2 seasons lowkey pre-hating or pre judging and being very hyper observant and critical of every little thing compared to the other seasons like damn
yeah it makes no sense that daenarys just stops them, her army is much stronger, cercei doesn´t even has a claim to the throne, she destroyed the main building of the church in a highly religios country and on top of that no one likes her
The shorter seasons changed the feeling of the show. They kept the big moments but removed much of the build up. That's why little finger just feels out of place, he was a major part of the build up to the big moments, now he is just that weird guy who keeps finding an excuse to go back to his high school 2 years after he graduated.
First half of season 7 is pretty solid, it was the last 3 episodes going into season 8 were everything fell off Edit: Do you think Bran gets flashes of a future where he freezes to death out in the godswood, and that's how he knows to go back inside?
This episodes reaction was a bit disappointing tbh and maybe a bit misogynistic bc if the rolls where switched with John and Danny…well hopefully they’ll try to understand her pov.
They won't try to understand her pov. I can tell you that right now, which is sad. When I always see reactions to this episode its always men that get mad when Dany says everything she has gone through, to them women can't stick up for themselves or flex alitte bit.
I love seeing you guys enjoying Season 7. "tHe fANs" have completely oversaturated each other with hate that it's colored how they view much of the show. When S7 aired, it had near universal positive response, with the main complaints being the speed of the plot and some people being dissatisfied that GRRM's material isn't leading the story. Personally, I read all the books (that were published) before there was any show. I read the one book that came out since the show, and I watched every season when it aired. Season 7 was solid and I wasn't bothered by much. It was fun to see so many characters collide that we'd never seen together before, so many REGULAR ACTORS ON THE SHOW that had never even worked together the entire time! Euron's a clown though. The book Euron was 100x a cooler character with way more compelling character to him. Show Euron is effectively a completely different character without a single molecule of book Euron. Show Euron is shallow, uninspired trollbait. What a waste.
Sending 2000 men to their deaths for 1 king slayer was only a mistake because Robb gave too much freedom to his mom who ended up freeing him. If we look at what he got for sacrificing 2000 men the only thing I would say was positive from that interaction is Jamie losing his hand. Not really a W is it?
Season 7 is very entertaining - the last couple episodes are SUPER rushed. There is one storyline that is completely contrived and manipulated. I could point on some of the things that are ridiculous, but I don't know how far you've watched. I hate spoilers. Season 8 is the real problem. And some of what's wrong with it starts in this season.
they could have made more seasons, HBO wanted them to create 10 seasons and give them the money for it, they just decided not to because they wanted to make a star wars movie next. but since game of thrones season 7 and 8 were so bad, they didn´t get the job XD
Robb sending 2000 men to die was considered a "mistake" because it could have been what directly led to the red wedding. I dont particularly remember in the show, but in the books Roose Bolton is the man that leads Robbs garrison of 2000 men, he is then captured after the battle by Tywin Lannister and presumed missing by the northerners. Bolton later returns to Robbs camp. Many believe, myself included, that this is the point in which Tywin Lannister got Roose Bolton to turn on Robb
roose was never captured by tywin and they didn't send 2000 men in the books. Robb sends his entire infantry (17k) with roose (as he is cautious) to distract tywin at green fork. He himself takes the cavalry (5k) & rushes to whispering wood to lure jaime and later takes riverrun. After green fork roose retreats in good order, reforming the battered remnants of his army on the causeway before Moat Cailin. Roose betrays robb after Stannis loses at Blackwater & Robb weds Jeyne Westerling, thus angering Freys.
“tell cersei, i want her to know it was me”
iconic
Olena is my GOAT
Ironically, there's no real way of knowing at this point if she will.
Jaime doesn't have to tell her.
He could keep it to himself.
I thought it was bad
finally some missandei appreciation! my queen
Missandei has always been in my "Top 3 beauties" of the show (along with Danerys and Margaery). The order varied along the way, depending on my mood at the time and how they looked in the current episode.
She’s does the braids because it is the Dothraki traditions as she’s following from Drogo From the first season, viserys said the reason they have braids so long is cause they’ve never lost a fight. And you will be his queen.
The braids are also Targaryen tradition as well and you can see that in the House of the Dragon the way their hairs are styled to represent the dragon scales. However if a dothraki leader dies in battle then the braid gets cut off like they’ve shown in season 1.
17:07 Bran has seen the dorne plotline and is dead inside now.
LMAOOO
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Lol
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I think Carter had a pretty good review at the end there. All of these moments on paper should be groundbreaking, pivotal scenes. Things that people would look forward to and rewatch dozens of times just because it was such a special/important moment. Instead of feels dry, brittle, shallow, and forgettable.
Exactly. It's cause GRRM was not there to write them and cause they wanted to rush them.
yes! Because of the pacing there is no real buildup and with that no real payoff. It just happens and I'm thinking "oh, that was fast". We see Casterly Rock and Highgarden the first (!) an the last (!) time in this single episode, we don't know any soldier in the Lannister or Tyrell army. The moments of "surprise" to break with the viewer's expections are unsatisfactory. Like "oh, it has to be Arya on the gate" - "oh, nevermind, it's just unemotional Bran".
Wiping the poison off doesn't work, you're already absorbing it 😂 that's why Cersei still had to take the antidote after wiping off the lipstick.
The thing that gets me about seasons 6-8 is that these huge things happen and then they never come up again. Like Cersei blowing up the Sept of Baelor. That episode is one of my favorites in the whole show, but it is diminished somewhat by the fact that there were no consequences. I mean, I think people would be pretty upset if the largest, most important "church" in the Seven Kingdoms was destroyed and killed hundreds (or thousands). Wouldn't there be some kind of backlash for such a huge event? It's the equivalent of the Vatican being blown up if you think about it. But it's mentioned in the first episode of season 7 and it's literally never mentioned again. It's like everyone just said, "oh well, too bad about the Sept being mysteriously engulfed in wildfire and blown apart, but anyway..." From there, it's more and more like the show had a checklist of things that need to happen and the showrunners had to hurry up and check off items to get to the end
Never thought about how they just moved past the Sept blowing up, totally diminished one of the best moments in the show!
Also I think it's because D & D like the characters and the actors so much and being TV writers they are used to weekly TV shows were nothing ever happen of consequences, the same characters survive, etc. So when they got passed the books and the awesome writing of GRRM, they wrote GoT like a regular TV series. Episode 1 of Season 7 should have been King's Landing in chaos after Cersei blew up the Sept of Balor with people in revolt. Cause the Sept of Balor was essentially the Vatican and these were VERY religious times. But D & D like Lena Heady so much that they act like "it's all cool". Like nothing happened.
We also never see the ruins. Like ever. Not even in a brief shot. You’d think we would be able to see the broken sept stonework, especially when Danaerys flys overhead in S8 but nope.
In their defence it moves much faster than the other seasons...also simply put all the people to react are allready dead cercie rules through fear and such....people are overly critical on this show.
@@Replica_Films2000 Not sure if expecting some sort of consequence, even if it was just a small one, to the most heinous crime ever committed in Kings Landing falls under being “overcritical”.
"No way they moved this fast"...
...hold my beer 😂😂😂
D&D inventing teleportation machine in Westeros in 301 AC:
People seem to forget that we're not watching "24"... events aren't happening in real time.
Two factors contribute to all the "teleportation" memes...
1. The shortened seasons caused them to accelerate the pace of events being shown, so things that happen days, weeks, or even sometimes months, occur in the next episode or even within the same episode.
2. Part of the trimming that went into compressing the season did away with a lot of the "throwaway lines" that gave us a sense of the passage of time... Cersei's comment in Season 1 Episode 1 "we've been traveling for a month, surely the dead can wait" told us that even though the news of Robert heading north and the arrival of his entourage happened within a few minutes in the episode, a month of time had passed between those scenes. The term "a fortnight" (2 weeks) was also mentioned a time or two along the way. Losing those little context clues made the compression of time far more jarring. There could easily have been a line about how long Jon's journey took, but in what I consider a bad writing/editing decision lines like that were considered non-essential and were left out to squeeze what should have been 10 episodes into 7 (or 6 for season 8)
@@LuizVieiraPintoNeto LOL. So you enjoyed trying to figure out what is going on screen in HOTD season 1 after a few huge time jumps? Or season 2 being in stall mode the whole season, leaving all the lead characters of the show, as third rate characters? What D&D did for the end of the show as far as pace, wasn't confusing at all, it's small potatoes, compared to the mess George had done in HOTD.
What teleportation machine was used in Season 1 episode 2, of GOT, when one moment Ned & Robert are eating in the fields outside of Winterfell & just later on they are already in King's Landing? Did it not take a month for the King to arrive at Winterfell on horseback? You guys have no imagination to conjure up that movement was made off screen, because haters have a hard on for D&D. The same guys who did the highly rated season 6 without any books in tow. There were huge potholes in the first 5 seasons, much bigger then bitching about pace, if you took the time to look for them.
@@bill.godwin-austen Haters have no imagination, especially when it comes to bashing D&D. What you said, is precise. It took a month for Robert to arrive at Winterell, but a half an episode to arrive back at King's Landing. The haters have a short memory, because most of the hate came from book readers, who always gave George a free pass for the very same violations, but to a higher degree then of D&D, yet they are pointing fingers at D&D. Look at the pacing of HOTD. Huge time jumps in season 1, but season 2 was in stall mode, leaving us at the end of season 2, exactly where season 1 left off.
Season 7 is still good, the haters of the show are annoying especially for complaining about this season anyway. So glad you are guys are enjoying it.
I agree with the other comment. Why on earth would Daenerys believe Jon? She doesn't know him. Tyrion, the one who knows him the most in the room, doesn’t even believe him. But you guys expect Daenerys to believe Jon just because you like Jon? (Even though show Jon is also a boring goody two-shoes one dimensional Ned carbon copy who was stripped of his entire personality but people seem to like the boring characters).
White Walkers haven’t been seen for thousands of years. There's no evidence they ever existed. Even Ned Stark didn't believe they existed and he's a Stark from the North.
Plus, Jon is the enemy in Daenerys' eyes. Why on earth would she trust him?
Jon was the idiot who walked into the room thinking she would just believe him.
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Why would Jon falling in love with Daenerys be the end for his character when the Starks are the 2nd most inbred family after the Targaryens. They've had uncle/niece marriages and Jon's maternal grandparents were 1st cousins. It isn't out of the warps of reality for that to happen nor is it unrealistic.
Daenerys' dialogue made perfect sense. She's been working up all this time to take the throne. Now she suddenly has this northern man, the son of a man who deposed her family, telling her the dead are coming for everyone and he expects her to drop everything and take her dragons and armies to fight this alleged war. Not a reasonable ask at all.
Jon and Daenerys are the central characters of the show and it was always inevitable. Jon and Daenerys' rushed relationship was one of the faults of the show actually. It wasn't one of the major bad points but just not fleshed out properly.
Season 7 definitely has it's faults but Daenerys' speech and Jon/Dany isn't one. The former was fine and the latter was just rushed.
Its funny that when Daenerys fans talk about her they just make enough excuses for her, but on the other hand when Sansa met Daenerys and didn't trust her (for a very good reason, instead of Daenerys) Daenerys fans criticize Sansa for the same reason. And people try to accuse this channel of double standards, thats funny.
@halflingdesaovicente - Jon wanted Daenerys to upend everything and take her armies and dragons to the North to fight a force no-one believed existed.
Sansa had issue with Daenerys despite Daenerys coming to the North to fight alongside the North (where the North would be attacked first and face the most harm) upon request from Sansa's brother.
It's not the same situation at all.
Sansa then the following episode quickly forgave the man who crippled one of her brothers, fought against her eldest brother and attacked her father but had issue with a woman who was the daughter of a man long dead she never even knew herself and said woman had done nothing to her except listen to her brother and come and fight for Sansa's homeland. Without asking him to bend the knee I might add. Jon chose to bend the knee despite Daenerys not asking him too. Sansa's issues lie with Jon as he shouldn't have bent the knee after Daenerys had already agreed to fight for them.
@@halflingdesaovicente maybe cause Jon and Dany didn't know each other and Jon was asking for her help without giving her anything and return.
but as for Sansa and Dany, it shouldn't be a matter of trust. she literally LOST HER CHILD to save her brother, and send all her forces, armies and dragons to defend Sansa's home, and she couldn't even respect her. there's no comparison
Dany = L
@@Nihilanth ”Jon was asking for her help without giving her anything in return,” yet dany invited jon to come before her and bend the knee without anything in return. Jon set the stakes and emphasized the severity of the situation to get across that he was telling the truth knowing that tyrion trusts him
14:08
actually, it is. seeing from her pov, she's the queen of the **Seven** Kingdoms, and the north is one of those kingdoms. she can't just conquer the iron throne while someone else's calling himself king in the north, cause that would be a rebellion (just like Robert and Ned fought against Balon Greyjoy and the iron island "independence").
as for Jon, HE'S the one asking her for help, while giving her nothing in return.
she doesn't know the white walkers exist, so seeing from her pov, why would she risk her dragons and armies to fight a war, even tho she knows Jon will not give her the north? it's pointless
Dany is an L
@@DanLanningPRTeam womp womp
@@Nihilanth that’s how it sounded when Drogo was clapping it (no consent btw)
@@DanLanningPRTeam womp womp
It's not about who's making the better argument, which is why I don't understand their criticism. These are two people with very different POVs and their words fit their characters. Also, Dany becomes more obsessed with the Throne the closer it gets, kind of mirroring Stannis, and I think based on the history of Westeros, George sees the Throne as a kind of "one ring of power".
The Maesters of the Citadel must be pretty incompetent if all it took to cure a disease, they thought was incurable for centuries, was simply to "read the book and follow the instructions."
Yea, GoT is very "tv" now, because things like this are coming easier and more conveniently. I actually like Season 7, because goated stuff happens, but re-watching it, it's more concerned with things being cool than things making sense. Like how they're hoping nobody notices or cares that Cersei nuked the *Great Sept Baelor.* That would be like someone blowing up the Vatican in our world. But it's just never addressed. Game of Thrones felt like realistic history in the early seasons because there were realistic consequences to actions. Big and small.
Exactly!
I'll patiently be waiting for next episode 😂
"teleportation jutsu", "genjutsu", "sharingan". Cannon's really becoming more of a naruto fan day by day.
Yall have been spot on in your review today, as you said exactly 1. It feels more of a TV show now 2. everything is moving too fast now 3. Littlefinger and Varys fall off 4. The storylines are nice and hype, but "things are just happening". I'm not that big of a hater of these last few seasons, especially since I marathoned them, but the main issue people had were huge expectations for it, that's why the hate back in the day reached the levels it did. Otherwise it wasn't thaat bad, but hey yall stay unbiased make your own conclusions.
@@grigorisgiannikos4999 if they managed to liked HOTD S2 Im sure they gonna like Season 7 but that will not happen because if they do like it their Patreon comments will roast them 😂
Season 7 is great for me season 5 and 6 apart from some episodes were really bad and season 8 was complete dogshit.
You nailed it people let their speculations become expectations and more likely they'll be disappointed
If you don’t think the first 5 season also felt like a tv show idk what you are thinking 😂.
Saying it felt like watching history 😂😂 insane
littlefinger fell off way before this lol
The little details are cool. Cerseis handmaiden who walks in on her and Jaime is the same handmaiden who walked in on Sansa and Shae threatened with a knife back in season 2. Hair and clothes changed to match Cersei too. Tiny detail but shows attention to it.
It's unfortunate they don't pay attention to details in the writing
In regards to the scene where Jon and Daenerys meet, you guys were kinda....needing to think harder I guess, lol. Here's the sense you're saying was missing. Daenerys' dialogue made perfect sense and it was perfectly positioned for her character. Why should she care about some fable from the North just because a stranger calling himself a king of a land she's supposed to have a claim to said it's a threat? She's not like Rhaenyra and she didn't hear about Aegon's prophecy from her father. She sailed to Westeros to take the throne and the seven kingdoms that she believes she has a claim to, not to fight some mythical being that may or may not exist. Jon was absolutely silly to walk in there and expect her to just listen to him, to drop everything she's planned and go north, that's absurd. Her speech and response to him was to drive home the fact that she's come a very VERY long way both in distance and in experiences, she's NOT going to just change directions now for something she doesn't believe in, and she is "born to rule the seven kingdoms" meaning that is her one and only priority. That speech was one of her best in the entire show and you guys just made fun of it. Did not sit right with me. I hope you get it now.
Exactly. I was shocked they didn't like that. I know why they didn't like that because they love jon snow more than her. They're not seeing her POV
@@the_kranthikajol In my experience it's the Jon Snow diehards that complained the most about Daenerys and about S7 and especially S8 lol
also the north is bigger than most other kingdoms combined, it's self-sustaining during winter, it produces great fighters, it's not prone to rebellion and much more
she would literally never give them independence for all the aforementioned reasons and the fact that other kingdoms would then seek it as well
@@GRYMALKYN is that so? Really?
That speech comes off overly aggressive and somewhat questionable because you can already see the rushes D&D are injecting into "Dany is mad king now" plot line they so desperately need to set the precedent for. Like "So many men have tried to kill me I don't even remember their names " b*tch my brothers in arms SUCCESSFULLY killed me, what is this speech lmao
S7 was well received at the time so it's not a surprise that you guys are enjoying it
tbh you need to finish the whole show and then make an assessment.
Nah one thing I will say, I like y'alls reactions and stuff but I sense a bit of negativity from you guys towards Dany. Obv she isnt any of you guys' fav character that shows but u seem to be forgetting what she went through to get where she is right now. When someone says something good ab her or her titles I see sighs and "this is long" etc but when someone else says something ab your fav character its absolute cinema. Put some respect on Dany's name
I get what you're saying but most people didn't agree with what Dany was saying because of how much she didn't consider or understand where Jon was coming from. We understand that she's been through a lot but so has he and many others in the show. She deserves respect but she does not respect others all she wants is to be a queen. It's clear in this episode that it's all she cares about. I respect Dany but she needs to understand that no one has trusted or heard of her and all they know is that her father was the mad king. Besides even if Jon steeped down the northerners would not care about her since they trust no one but there own and she's never earned their trust
It makes sense for Daenerys to say she is the queen of the 7 kingdoms since if Jon Snow did not bend the knee, the north would not be one of those 7.
Season 7 only becomes terrible in hindsight when you look back and realize season 4 was in a different class. 6,7 and 8 became almost a satire of the first few seasons. Hamming up the action and expectations of the show. 7 and 8 in particular remind me of HOTD season 2. Things are happening but it doesnt feel weighted/grounded and the only reason we care is because the prior seasons groundwork.
It was more apparent when the season aired because the wait was almost 3 years.
season 7 and 8, bad dialog, location teleportation, devoid of logic decisions, writers forgetting plot points, character assassinations, plot armor, 200% cok jokes
if you watch paying attention it becomes terrible, the only way to be '''good'' is turning off you brain and just watch the spectacle and forgeting immediatly
Also season 7 is full of nonsensical small decisions. Highgarden not good at fighting ? There is no other cousins for the Tyrells ? An important noble family getting annihilated like that is quite stupid
@@anabourdieulol especially since high garden is a very defendable fortress and from what we saw of the Lannister army they didn’t even have seige instruments or anything. Even is the Tyrell’s we’re outnumbered fighting from within a castle is a huge advantage
next episode is insane
“I don’t think he wants to be defined by that.”
No sentence to better describe Jon Snow as a character, this was bang on
@@aghostswhisper my queen, she is my queen, queen, I do not want it , my queen
I think it's rather that they are trying to make her believe white walkers exist and if they would also tell her he came back from the dead Danny would think they're insane. It would make what they tell her just even more unbelievable.
I love Dany and Jon meet. Their dialogue too. ♥️
Even during the House of the Dragon time what the Starks said about the Long Night and white walkers seemed outlandish and that’s when dragons were flying around. The Old Gods of the North, Wildlings, and First Men are considered very primitive to the rest of Westeros. The Northmen are known to spin these wild tales. Even Daemon didn’t believe it until his vision in season 2 of HOTD.
This is also why I said to remember the history between these families because Daenerys and Jon can only go based off what they know about each other’s families. They’re right not to trust each other initially given their family history. Even when Jace went to visit Lord Stark in HOTD, there was a reference to Aegon the Conqueror visiting the King in the North and making him bend the knee.
The boys are already starting to see what the issue is through these last couple seasons. A lot was fan service. The costumes were incredible though.
The biggest problem is this went from an amazing show, down to amazing episodes, down to amazing scenes. With any luck though, the low expectations created by the comments make them actually appreciate the show a bit more than they would have otherwise. I for one am still enjoying the reactions though, so keep it up guys. 😊
My guy come on now lmao. They're not seeing shit if they're still saying season 7 is cooking lmfao. What even is this level of copium?
The costumes were cool, though notably absent of color. Everyone wears black and dresses look 21st century in style.
@@Skylingalemy guy people are allowed to appreciate what they appreciate.
Season 7 still had a couple good episodes, but mostly through this season and definitely s8, it was down to good scenes (even if the overall episode sucked).
Let people enjoy what they like. Sheesh.
I knew beforehand that this would be your exact reaction to Daenerys' speech; there has always been an underlying misogyny on this couch when it comes to Dany, I remember in earlier seasons how every time Daenerys was on screen, the girl didn't even open her mouth and Carter was already rolling his eyes.
You can like Jon over Dany, that's completely valid, you just don't have to be subtly misogynistic about her.
I always forget that men will be men at the end of the day.
cry genocide fan
I enjoy season 7. Really good
Bran has absorbed all the information of the previous Three Eyed Ravens. I think it also helps to not give in or use Bran's persona and give his loved ones like Meera or his siblings hope. It's better they understand right away he isn't & never will be the same.
What I don't like about later seasons is how they spell things out all the time, like they don't trust the intelligence of the viewer. Like Sansa and Jon arguing battle strategies in front of people. Or in dialogue when Tyrion say to Jon:"children are not their fathers" and cliche stuff like that.
Dany's response to Jon made perfect sense for her. She is there to conquer and to have the first King she meets not bend the knee is insulting & she is so focused on the throne it will take a lot before she puts the fight for the world before the fight for the throne.
Next episode is absolute peak television
15:20 Callback to Ser Barristan telling her how Rhaegar was good at killing, but never liked doing it.
Jamie giving up Casterly Rock was masterful
I know you guys are more team Jon Snow but I’m sorry Damarys is my queens 😅
Guys season 7 is still hype AF. Once you get to season 8 you'll understand the backlash 😅
carter has lots issues from next ep onwards
Jamie marching on Highgarden is my favourite scene in the show. Its awesome.
it literally makes no sense how they defeated highgarden in a few hours and jaime just walks in
@@seancarroll5803 I love Jaime but you are right. Shows the laziness of later Seasons. How on Earth did the Lannisters won a Siege so quickly? They showed us like it's Fait Accomplit. Personally If they wanted the Lannisters to beat the Tyrells, I would have done it differrently yet arriving with the same results. For example, the Tarleys were lieges for the Tyrells. They swore allegiances to them. Maybe the Tyrells would not know they talked to the Lannisters and made a deal with them. So just have the Tarleys army lure the Tyrells on a lark somewhere and kill them all or lure them somewhere so the Lannister kill them.
Yeah, GRRM wanted to go a minimum of 10 seasons, but really wanted 13 to close out the show, but it's 8 instead.
I really like the way you guys review this season so far! And I agree with all of em. I just have to say! Don’t let fans’ opinions guide your judgement! Experience it first. Then have your own opinions.
This. I am as hardcore of a GOT fan as it gets, and I think season 7 is Fantastic, and season 8 is also VERY good. the details are important in the last couple seasons and so many people stopped paying attention to details, and just started rooting for a character.
@@RP-zj8ro Not to forget that even George is tired of the books! Too many characters, too many stories, and to connect these stories together and so on!! It was too much even for George to finish it!
The beginning of the show was too slow! Like it took 6 seasons so that Danny could get to Westroes!! fans got used to it and when things moves faster in s7-8 , they got mad! Like why? It would need 15 seasons to end it if wasn’t a bit faster!!!
The only real problem with season 7 for me is the pacing. In season 1 it took many episodes to go from Winterfell to King's Landing. This made the world feel "real" and immersive.
Now Jon can travel from Winterfell to Dragonstone in 10 minutes, the Lannister army goes from Casterly Rock to Highgarden in less than an episode... places have become just names on a map.
I don't hate the season, the story progresses nicely, although I personally think the writing is a bit on the "safe" side, especially if compared to the first 4 seasons: it's not a big deal, you can't have Red Weddings all the time. But yes, the pacing issue, especially in relation to travel, really irks me.
@@mid1880 so you would rather the show just be 15vseason long and we have to watch 7 episodes of the armies just walking accross the kingdoms? Nah man if it was like that nobody would want to watch long enough to see the ending. There was not enough extra story to make the "timing" realistic like youre saying. There was big things to get to and alot of them needed some of the shock value to really hit. If we knew the armies were coming every time it loses the shock value and the WOW moments.
@RP-zj8ro you don't need teleportation to get shock value, as the first seasons masterfully showed us. And yes, I'd have preferred 2-3 extra seasons to pace the story properly.
It's a matter of setting the tone: the pace shift in season 7 and 8 is jarring because it wasn't like that in the previous seasons, i.e. they didn't set the tone properly to prepare the shift. Basic writing mistake.
The same goes for season 8: people complained because the finale didn't deliver what was promised for most of the characters. Good writing always keeps into account the trajectory of the arcs of each character. And while the writers did get some right in season 8, they also butchered other arcs for "surprise value". But a good story doesn't necessarily need surprises. The butchering actually starts in season 7 with Littlefinger and Tyrion.
Now, as I mentioned, this is not a deal breaker for me, I still enjoy season 7 enough despite some flaws. But when it comes to season 8, well... that's a different story. We're not there yet, though. :)
“Cook” is such a fundamental part of their vocabulary lol
I remember being three episodes in to this season feeling hopeful for the finale too. Those were the days..
Y’all so worrried about what everyone and their mothers thought of these last seasons and ranking everything
Not really, we just talk like that
@@CinemaGek it’s clearly on the top of your mind that you insist on talking about it every video. Influenced or not you can feel free shut off the outside noise and keep the convo to what you 5 just watched In that room
@@keef5 I partially agree but at the same time it's better for them to express it if they're thinking it rather than subconsciously judge everything through the lens of public reception
I, myself, don't think like that and agree that I believe it can cloud your perception, but it's just a thing many, many people do and think like and if this is how they express their views it is what is is and I don't necessarilly disagree
Every episode is like a movie rather than tv show i would have said.
kinda loving Cannons Crazy-Scientist-Hair today! 💪🏼 ❤
carter's right about this season... the pacing of it is basically a setup for s8 compared to the previous ones
The sweet home Alabama killlleeedddd me 😂
cant wait for the next episode
Where’s 7x4 reaction?
That’s the reason why people don’t like season 7 as much. It just lacked and felt shallow. When I watched season 7 for the first time, I thought it was alright but I could tell it wasn’t what it used to be like in season 4. The timing just turned me off personally like when John gets to dragonstone as quick as he did. It’s like things just happens to just check things off
This episode contains one of my favorite quotes in the whole show. It shows Cercie's rotten soul. That monologue Cercei gives Ellaria and Tyene in the jail is the meanest and agonizing speech she has given. The part where she says, "You will live to watch your daughter rot, to watch that beautiful face collapse to bone and dust all the while contemplating the choices you've made." AUGHHHH That killed me. It's a dark and viceral ending in my opinion, but I loved it...the speech, I mean.
BTW I loved every season...the only thing is that the end (Season 8)was a bit rushed. One or two more episodes would have been perfect.
you have reached lvl 7, you have now unlocked gokus instant transmission teleportation xD ( also that sweet home alabama edit killed me haha)
The thing that feels so BAD about this episode is the fact that 2 sieges (that could take months) took place in 5 minutes.
Counterpoint: I was perfectly content to see the plot move forward instead of wasting a bunch of time and setup on an inconsequential feint in which the Unsullied barely even did any fighting. And I rather enjoyed how the showrunners set up the scene with Tyrion's conversation narrating it.
Tyrells, largest army in Westeros, gets taken out super easily by the Lannister army which has been fucked to hell and back by Robb and Stannis. Yup, checks out. Just regular Season 7 shit.
D&D did their job and DIDN'T do fan service. They followed the lore & the info from Martin that there WILL be a scouring of the shire!
These guys review their seasons like boxer judges score Rounds cards. 😂
I think the season 7 hate was mostly because NOBODY guessed the ending of the show. That was enough for me to love it.
Bran is BloodRaven now. He took over Bran’s body the same way Bran used to take over Hordor.
Dany's attorney here. My client has never seen any of these mythical monsters. To her, Jon is talking nonsense and she's tired of them bullshit. She, like Sansa for example, wants to eliminate a very clearly real threat that is Cersei.
Cerseis get back on the sand snakes is one of the only things I agree with her doing lol
Honestly, the Sand Snakes are just irredeemable bad guys. "You killed the man I loved, even though we both ruotinely fucked a bunch of other people, seperatly and together, so now I must kill your daugther who unlike my lover, had nothing to do with any of this besides being related to you."
It's funny how if they say they like s7 half of the comments will be mad because in their eyes s7 is trash, but if they say they don't like s7 other half will be mad because they are "Influenced by haters too much". Guys let people have opinions. I think s7 is almost as bad as s8 but if someone doesn't agree with me it's okay, i don't care. Also people have the right to say negative things about s7 in the comments, it's not like they try to change these guys opinion, they just sharing their view
It’s like how people kept saying the boys must have seen spoilers because they would guess things right, failing to notice how many things they’d also get wrong, and also failing to remember just how much people guessed right during the years we watched it live. They’ve had way less time than we did to speculate, but they’re very switched on and observant about things in the story line. I’m glad they’re still enjoying it.
Agreed. Personally I really despise season 7 cause it has one of the dumbest moments and dialogue, but if they like it good for them
Littlefinger thought sending Sansa to Ramsey would break her & make her easier to control. Not harder. He manipulated 3 Tully women but it will take the one that's a true Stark to not only break from him but string him along long enough to get ahead of him for once.
It's so funny that Jon Snow is a bastard twice lol
Wiping the poison off isn't enough Jack. Cersei is going to get the antidote, but the sand snake will still die.
"Tell Cersei, I want her to know it was me." Lady Olenna goes out a savage. RIP to the Queen of Thorns, one of my favorite characters in the show.
18:16 "Super easy, barely an inconvenience." I see Carter watches Pitch Meetings.
I guess I'm kinda glad that the comments set your expectations so low then, because most of you being pleasantly surprised that season 7 is good, is nice. I am curious how y'all will ultimately end up feeling about the show, it seems like Carter will be the first one to jump on the hate train, but we'll see.
"No way they moved this fast?" - take a shot of booze
Next episode is the best of this seasonnnnnn post it asap
Danny's response to Jon just shows how at that point in time she is single mindedly focused on the seven kingdoms - anything else isn't important to her. She's not listening to what Jon says because it has no direct relevance to her goals and motivation. She is yet to be convinced or enlightened as to anything more important than conquering the 7 kingdoms - and who is this guy who shows up, a rebel king who is talking about stuff which just has no context for her.
Also, if he is not a 'Stark' (he's just a bastard), who has been chosen by the North as a king rather than inheriting it through his bloodline - why would he be beholden to the oath of the Starks?
Can you guys at least let us know what is happening with GOT S7e4 upload? it’s rude to just leave us hanging 😅
Carter feels how we all felt about Season 7.
For me, GoT kinda became a Marvel movie - lots of production with occasionally fun fan service, but kind of shallow.
That first negotiation with Dany contained one of the hallmarks of bad writing & a personal pet peeve of mine - characters magically becoming dumber just to introduce conflict or advance the plot.
Dany, who woke dragons from stone by conducting a blood magic ritual that was revealed to her in a series of dreams (last part cut from the show, granted), who had those visions in the House of the Undying, who just did *another* magical act to burn all the khals... suddenly doesn't believe in magic🤪
I love that you guys are enjoying this so much!! Please continue to form your own opinions and not letting the haters get to you. It's wild to me that people would try and convince you not to like something. I fucking loved this season and the last one, honestly there are a LOT of people who love them but the online discourse is dominated by haters because let's be real, people who like things don't spent 10 years on the internet ranting about it.
Hope you continue to have a good time with this show! Even with its flaws it's better than almost all television out there.
@@HaIcyonic and yet here you are.
The best episode of the whole show is 8x3.
Some people in the comments are taking this way too seriously
Really wish yall would go one by one and give ur reaction instead of 3 ppl speaking all at once feel like im watching the view 😂😂😂
Carter = intelligence of the highest order. Critical thinker with an actual overall view point.
Exactly! Very impressed with him.
Don’t let the opinions of other fans ruin the show for you. Season 7 & Season 8 have its own best scenes.
Cersei absolutely cooked in this episode
Edit: holy heck I remember how awkward it was for Bran to bring up Sansa's SA like wtf are you doing bro
I think im one of the few fans that loves this season for so many reasons and don't agree with ppl saying this season was bad at all i mean I get it why they say that but still disagreed honestly you're going to experience so many emotional and heartbreaking moments from now on so be ready for it 💔
Sam Tarly - the only MFer to actually fully cure Grayscale
I really like watching reactions to this show but sometimes I feel like you guys are missing the fun in it. Your reactions to moments that were awesome feels spoiled. When it came out, it was a phenomenon that people gathered to watch in bars and cheer over. Your reactions are really bumming me out. I get the feeling that people new to the series just seem to want to complain. You reactions have been poisoned by comments. Just enjoy it. Have fun.
you are basically telling them to watch the show with their brains turned off
@@seancarroll5803 Not at all. I watch reactions to share in the pleasure I felt watching them and I just feel they may have had too many spoilers and aren't able to enjoy it to the max. Strange how you misconstrued that. Hmmm.
where’s the GoT upload for today?
Besides tyrion making bad choices and the speed of travel, season 7 is fun
Its not a TV show feel. I think yowall are influenced by the bias views posted by some. This obsession to rank seasons is nuts and will just spoil your enjoyment of the show.
“You don’t feel the same as me so you must be biased!” Stop complaining and let them feel how they feel about it. Some of yall take reaction videos way too seriously
Why are you guys so obsessed with what other people think about these last 2 seasons, you're always bringing it up, you should watch it and decide for yourselves, and because of that you're going into these last 2 seasons lowkey pre-hating or pre judging and being very hyper observant and critical of every little thing compared to the other seasons like damn
because they cant help but hear of the backlash and are also able to see the issues. if you dont like criticism you wont like the next few videos
yeah it makes no sense that daenarys just stops them, her army is much stronger, cercei doesn´t even has a claim to the throne, she destroyed the main building of the church in a highly religios country and on top of that no one likes her
I have some recommendation movies for you.
Watch the raid redemption and the raid 2, and u guys will be like it.
Damn fast pacing, but still a great season and I love your reactions to them.
The shorter seasons changed the feeling of the show. They kept the big moments but removed much of the build up. That's why little finger just feels out of place, he was a major part of the build up to the big moments, now he is just that weird guy who keeps finding an excuse to go back to his high school 2 years after he graduated.
First half of season 7 is pretty solid, it was the last 3 episodes going into season 8 were everything fell off
Edit: Do you think Bran gets flashes of a future where he freezes to death out in the godswood, and that's how he knows to go back inside?
Guys Get ready for episode 7x6, this is where Got starts to become a disaster
This episodes reaction was a bit disappointing tbh and maybe a bit misogynistic bc if the rolls where switched with John and Danny…well hopefully they’ll try to understand her pov.
They won't try to understand her pov. I can tell you that right now, which is sad. When I always see reactions to this episode its always men that get mad when Dany says everything she has gone through, to them women can't stick up for themselves or flex alitte bit.
I love seeing you guys enjoying Season 7. "tHe fANs" have completely oversaturated each other with hate that it's colored how they view much of the show. When S7 aired, it had near universal positive response, with the main complaints being the speed of the plot and some people being dissatisfied that GRRM's material isn't leading the story. Personally, I read all the books (that were published) before there was any show. I read the one book that came out since the show, and I watched every season when it aired. Season 7 was solid and I wasn't bothered by much. It was fun to see so many characters collide that we'd never seen together before, so many REGULAR ACTORS ON THE SHOW that had never even worked together the entire time! Euron's a clown though. The book Euron was 100x a cooler character with way more compelling character to him. Show Euron is effectively a completely different character without a single molecule of book Euron. Show Euron is shallow, uninspired trollbait. What a waste.
Sending 2000 men to their deaths for 1 king slayer was only a mistake because Robb gave too much freedom to his mom who ended up freeing him. If we look at what he got for sacrificing 2000 men the only thing I would say was positive from that interaction is Jamie losing his hand. Not really a W is it?
Guys- love the channel. please stop talking over the dialogue! You’re missing too much info. 😂good lord
Season 7 is very entertaining - the last couple episodes are SUPER rushed.
There is one storyline that is completely contrived and manipulated.
I could point on some of the things that are ridiculous, but I don't know how far you've watched. I hate spoilers.
Season 8 is the real problem. And some of what's wrong with it starts in this season.
Lady Olenna ftw.
You guys have to checkout Troy
they could have made more seasons, HBO wanted them to create 10 seasons and give them the money for it, they just decided not to because they wanted to make a star wars movie next. but since game of thrones season 7 and 8 were so bad, they didn´t get the job XD
Robb sending 2000 men to die was considered a "mistake" because it could have been what directly led to the red wedding. I dont particularly remember in the show, but in the books Roose Bolton is the man that leads Robbs garrison of 2000 men, he is then captured after the battle by Tywin Lannister and presumed missing by the northerners. Bolton later returns to Robbs camp. Many believe, myself included, that this is the point in which Tywin Lannister got Roose Bolton to turn on Robb
roose was never captured by tywin and they didn't send 2000 men in the books. Robb sends his entire infantry (17k) with roose (as he is cautious) to distract tywin at green fork. He himself takes the cavalry (5k) & rushes to whispering wood to lure jaime and later takes riverrun. After green fork roose retreats in good order, reforming the battered remnants of his army on the causeway before Moat Cailin.
Roose betrays robb after Stannis loses at Blackwater & Robb weds Jeyne Westerling, thus angering Freys.
still makes no sense that the lanistor took highgaarden just like that, it´s so hard to take and the reach is strong. I hate this season so much