Just saw this video. With a movable pin, the sight housing is moved for the yardage. With the fixed pin, the bow end is slightly raised to alignin target so this less of a change.
Archery Australia claims that competition archers often have two bows set up for over 50 and under 50. They also straight up say your anchor will be high at close range and low at long range. I am setting up my first single pin and for me to be able to shoot how I like my anchor is high at 20 yards.
Absolutely! Take the average distance of your shot and set it there.... Too many people set their peeps at 20 yards than struggle at distance and this is why!
This is why many top shooters in field and 3-d have their peep adjusted for a 35-40 yard shot. Maybe more on known longer range shoots. Great info again. Thank you for all your work.
If your shooting a multi pin sight you don't have to change your anchor at all, it's more to do with bending at the hips but the disadvantage of multi pins sight is every pin is a fixed distance.
I don't have this problem because I shoot with a floating anchor. Not ideal, but I've gotten really good at it. The only way I would go back to a solid anchor would be if I did away with my peep and just rely on my anchor and kisser, and "maybe a rear sight with a vertical line for left and right alignment. I think if you practice enough, you can have a full range of anchors where you adjust your anchor each time to align the peep and scope. Your anchor at 57 yards would be the same on the practice/sight-in range as it is on the 3-D course. So your sights will be right, even if you are at a slightly different anchor point at different ranges. This video just demonstrates the need to practice at all distances you will be shooting at.
Hold up. All your doing is moving your aperture up and down in a viselike machine. (Hooter?) If you look at the angle of your line of sight at 100y, 4:17, your body is telling you to raise your bow arm. Then it should angle your hips to keep your anchor position and peep position right where it always is- lined up the same at every yardage. Just think of shooting at 100y, while looking at the angle of your arrow. Doesn’t that now tell us the the arrow angle hasn’t moved from 20-100y. If your bow is that fast, you’d only need one pin for all yardages. I heard this last week on Precision is a Decision. “ Archery is almost all body awareness .” Perfect analogy.
When an archer shoots at an incline/decline, they do not simply raise/lower the bow arm. Proper form for shooting uphill/downhill, is for the archer to pivot at the waist and maintain the same relationship between the upper body and the bow. This is also true for shooting 20yds vs 100yards, the archer should not change their form, they just pivot back slightly at the waist to increase the launch angle of the arrow. As it relates to the bow loading in a drawboard/hooter shooter, you would not simply raise the bow cradle to shoot longer distances, you would pivot the hooter shooter.
Ok, not sure if your trying to say in the video, that you should be moving your peep for different distances. Or if you’re trying to show that the archer must pivot at the waist while maintaining the anchor point that is correctly lined up with the peep and eye, OR, ( and this to me is what it sounded like you were saying) the peep should be adjusted for different distances. What I thought I was making clear in my comment was that properly done, moving the bow arm up and down BY angling your torso, will keep your peep, eye and anchor point the same. That doesn’t seem to me, THAT is what your saying in the video. Now your comment does sound just like what I was pointing out here. Being that everyone else in the comment section understood the video makes me feel I missed the whole point. I just got done shooting 30,40,50 in stiff wind, downhill just an hour ago with no peep to eye issues. Anchor point didn’t change, peep location didn’t change. Good clean shots kept my groups of 11 arrows within a 6” spot at the most from 50 yards. Of course the closer the tighter but no line of sight changes or anything. Honestly just trying to understand so I could possibly add it to my routine, or is this convincing bs to beginner archers. Sorry hopefully no hard feelings man we’re all one big family trying to hopefully get better.🏹
The purpose of the video is to demonstrate an archers ideal peep height is different for different distances when using a moveable front sight. Obviously, we don't always have the opportunity to move the peep (ie 3D/Field/Hunting/etc) so the way we keep everything aligned is simply to make small subtle adjustments to our anchor.
A consistent anchor point doesn't matter, as long as you can draw (look) a straight line from the peep to the pin to the bullseye. Conversely, you don't need a peep sight, if you can consistently anchor to exactly the same location (with consistent body positioning) and then put the pin on the bull. Pick one.
Terry Ragsdale wrote about this in 1997. He pointed out that one's anchor has to be "cheated" for various distances as you point out. On field rounds, he tended to position his peep using a 60 yard distance because the shorter distances were easier to hit and that the outcome may be determined by the longer shots. Thank you for supplying proof of this phenomenon. I can't tell you how many people were dubious of my telling them about this, but it isn't a small number.
I think the height the peep is set at is a variable that needs to be considered as does the larger effect of errors at longer distances. My gut tells me to adjust the peep at longer distances because small variations in your anchor matter less at short distances.
Yes, you are correct sir, but from 50 yards to 20 yards it didn’t change “that” much. Yes I know I’m Archery a little is a lot, but that being said. There isn’t anything we can do about it. So again great information to know so you might have to hold over or under a little depending on the yardage. Not trying to be rude or anything brother I promise!! I’m simply saying there isn’t much we can do to fix this problem. Just adapt and overcome. Great video!
I see how it can appear that way. The problem with this demonstration is its static. In order to make the distance change you are raising your bow up in front for longer distances. That is reason for a peep. I shot fingers as a teenager and had no peep. It made everything so much more difficult. If the peep moved with the pins there would be no change to trajectory. If you’ve shot iron sights on a rifle you know some allow elevation changes to front sight and other to the rear. If you moved both it would not work right? I don’t know…. I’ve not experienced this problem
The body should be a static "T" that pivots at the hips. So this video is a perfect representation of what happens. Moving the sight does effect your anchor if you want to see through the peep. A multi-pin sight (fixed housing) will not cause this issue unless you center each pin instead of the whole housing. For indoor spots, my peep is perfect at 18 meters. For 3d, I slide my peep down so it feels perfect at 40 yards. Hunting whitetails and turkeys I shoot one pin fixed at 20. Peep set for that. Hunting out West, I had a 5 pin fixed, but would probably go with a setup like I use for 3d now. The faster the arrow, the less noticeable this is, because the anchor adjustment is less. I believe sight to eye distance makes a difference too. The closer the sight to your eye, the smaller the pin gap.
@@mrd4865 maybe for a professional. But I’m not good enough to know the difference. This just wasn’t the best representation because although the slider was moving and distance was changing the bow remained aiming at the same position. The bow would have an elevation change causing some change in the vision. If the bow didn’t change you’d be shooting for 20 yards distance again.
Question plea, I am struggling with raising my bow arm to get my pin up to the target. "My bow shoulder is down", so I am wondering do you think I might have my sight to high or to low causing me to struggle with my aim? Thank you 🏹🤠👍
The body should be a static "T" that pivots at the hips. You should not need to "raise your bow arm". You should just tilt back at the hips. Struggling to get on target could be a strength issue, improper bow balance (stabilizers to holding weight) or even target panic.
My sight still level with my peep, but now matter how I lean into the kisser and bow string. the sight is still well to the left when looking through the peep. Also, scares me when you stand in front of the bow like that at full draw. I sure that d loop is a good one and not frayed.
That's the whole idea behind the speed. That's why always shit a knocking point below center. To create a rising arrow. Thus bringing the pin gap together. Yep. That's the way it is.
Let me tell you. I know the dynamics of this sport. 20 through 50. Twenty: pin at top half of peep. 30 dead center . 40. 2/3 down and 50. Top of bottom part of peep. This allows you to hold your same anchor point every time. TODDY boys the name: archery was the game. YEP. That's the way it is.🤓🤓🤓🤓
Doesn't the peep sight aperture make a difference? I kinda get the point in target shooting at known distances with very small peep sights. Never had an issue hunting or 3D with a larger aperture peep. To me, and I'm not saying I'm right, the peep doesn't work like a rear sight on a rifle, it's just used to as secondary confirmation of correct anchor point.
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If you anchor the same place every time. And your twenty yard pin is dead center. With the same anchor, your 30 40 50. Are all going to stairstep below center of the peep. Where your twenty was centered. The higher you anchor the lower you will shoot. The lower you anchor the higher you will shoot. The. Projectile. ( arrow))
I agree, we make the subtle anchor adjustment subconsciously. The video was created specifically because of a discussion where some insisted that anchor point does not change when moving the front sight, which is obviously not correct.
Humm ..you asumtion its not in my logical brain,seriously. What ever your change your sight in any distance its keep same and linear with your eye-peep-sight,because your left handed to hold the bow will adjust to keep your eye aiming to the aiming point,its mean in 100yard sight adjust your left hand must be go higher to keep in the aimimg point. Dont waste your time with change your anchor point.seriously.....it keep same all the time to the linear, as long as you set corectly a peep position.
This makes me want to throw my SureLoc sight in the trash...... Line if sight is different than lobbing an arrow so,,, were you going to anchor at the same point & raise the bow up for longer distances or what in the SamDickens are you talking about ?????? Overthinking it - Just bend at the waist & shoot
Archery Australia claims that competition archers often have two bows set up for over 50 and under 50. They also straight up say your anchor will be high at close range and low at long range. I am setting up my first single pin and for me to be able to shoot how I like my anchor is high at 20 yards.
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This is the best video and explanation of this on all of youtube.
Just saw this video. With a movable pin, the sight housing is moved for the yardage. With the fixed pin, the bow end is slightly raised to alignin target so this less of a change.
Archery Australia claims that competition archers often have two bows set up for over 50 and under 50.
They also straight up say your anchor will be high at close range and low at long range.
I am setting up my first single pin and for me to be able to shoot how I like my anchor is high at 20 yards.
I like the setup, I like the scientific approach.
Absolutely! Take the average distance of your shot and set it there.... Too many people set their peeps at 20 yards than struggle at distance and this is why!
This is why many top shooters in field and 3-d have their peep adjusted for a 35-40 yard shot. Maybe more on known longer range shoots. Great info again. Thank you for all your work.
If your shooting a multi pin sight you don't have to change your anchor at all, it's more to do with bending at the hips but the disadvantage of multi pins sight is every pin is a fixed distance.
I don't have this problem because I shoot with a floating anchor. Not ideal, but I've gotten really good at it. The only way I would go back to a solid anchor would be if I did away with my peep and just rely on my anchor and kisser, and "maybe a rear sight with a vertical line for left and right alignment. I think if you practice enough, you can have a full range of anchors where you adjust your anchor each time to align the peep and scope. Your anchor at 57 yards would be the same on the practice/sight-in range as it is on the 3-D course. So your sights will be right, even if you are at a slightly different anchor point at different ranges. This video just demonstrates the need to practice at all distances you will be shooting at.
Great illustration.
Appreciate it for sharing this awesome video.
Brilliant. Thanks for this video
Hold up. All your doing is moving your aperture up and down in a viselike machine. (Hooter?) If you look at the angle of your line of sight at 100y, 4:17, your body is telling you to raise your bow arm. Then it should angle your hips to keep your anchor position and peep position right where it always is- lined up the same at every yardage. Just think of shooting at 100y, while looking at the angle of your arrow. Doesn’t that now tell us the the arrow angle hasn’t moved from 20-100y. If your bow is that fast, you’d only need one pin for all yardages. I heard this last week on Precision is a Decision. “ Archery is almost all body awareness .” Perfect analogy.
When an archer shoots at an incline/decline, they do not simply raise/lower the bow arm. Proper form for shooting uphill/downhill, is for the archer to pivot at the waist and maintain the same relationship between the upper body and the bow. This is also true for shooting 20yds vs 100yards, the archer should not change their form, they just pivot back slightly at the waist to increase the launch angle of the arrow. As it relates to the bow loading in a drawboard/hooter shooter, you would not simply raise the bow cradle to shoot longer distances, you would pivot the hooter shooter.
Ok, not sure if your trying to say in the video, that you should be moving your peep for different distances. Or if you’re trying to show that the archer must pivot at the waist while maintaining the anchor point that is correctly lined up with the peep and eye, OR, ( and this to me is what it sounded like you were saying) the peep should be adjusted for different distances. What I thought I was making clear in my comment was that properly done, moving the bow arm up and down BY angling your torso, will keep your peep, eye and anchor point the same. That doesn’t seem to me, THAT is what your saying in the video. Now your comment does sound just like what I was pointing out here. Being that everyone else in the comment section understood the video makes me feel I missed the whole point. I just got done shooting 30,40,50 in stiff wind, downhill just an hour ago with no peep to eye issues. Anchor point didn’t change, peep location didn’t change. Good clean shots kept
my groups of 11 arrows within a 6” spot at the most from 50 yards. Of course the closer the tighter but no line of sight changes or anything. Honestly just trying to understand so I could possibly add it to my routine, or is this convincing bs to beginner archers. Sorry hopefully no hard feelings man we’re all one big family trying to hopefully get better.🏹
The purpose of the video is to demonstrate an archers ideal peep height is different for different distances when using a moveable front sight. Obviously, we don't always have the opportunity to move the peep (ie 3D/Field/Hunting/etc) so the way we keep everything aligned is simply to make small subtle adjustments to our anchor.
Ok, thanks for the info!
Glad you said that...
Ancher doesnt change but the bow position does When the bow position changes the body position changes
Excellent
A consistent anchor point doesn't matter, as long as you can draw (look) a straight line from the peep to the pin to the bullseye. Conversely, you don't need a peep sight, if you can consistently anchor to exactly the same location (with consistent body positioning) and then put the pin on the bull. Pick one.
Terry Ragsdale wrote about this in 1997. He pointed out that one's anchor has to be "cheated" for various distances as you point out. On field rounds, he tended to position his peep using a 60 yard distance because the shorter distances were easier to hit and that the outcome may be determined by the longer shots.
Thank you for supplying proof of this phenomenon. I can't tell you how many people were dubious of my telling them about this, but it isn't a small number.
nice demonstration , setting the peep for 40-50 meters is mostly recommend for field and fita. whats your draw length?
I think the height the peep is set at is a variable that needs to be considered as does the larger effect of errors at longer distances. My gut tells me to adjust the peep at longer distances because small variations in your anchor matter less at short distances.
The peep sight must be the pivot point.
Yes, you are correct sir, but from 50 yards to 20 yards it didn’t change “that” much. Yes I know I’m Archery a little is a lot, but that being said. There isn’t anything we can do about it. So again great information to know so you might have to hold over or under a little depending on the yardage. Not trying to be rude or anything brother I promise!! I’m simply saying there isn’t much we can do to fix this problem. Just adapt and overcome. Great video!
I see how it can appear that way. The problem with this demonstration is its static. In order to make the distance change you are raising your bow up in front for longer distances. That is reason for a peep. I shot fingers as a teenager and had no peep. It made everything so much more difficult. If the peep moved with the pins there would be no change to trajectory. If you’ve shot iron sights on a rifle you know some allow elevation changes to front sight and other to the rear. If you moved both it would not work right? I don’t know…. I’ve not experienced this problem
The body should be a static "T" that pivots at the hips. So this video is a perfect representation of what happens. Moving the sight does effect your anchor if you want to see through the peep.
A multi-pin sight (fixed housing) will not cause this issue unless you center each pin instead of the whole housing.
For indoor spots, my peep is perfect at 18 meters.
For 3d, I slide my peep down so it feels perfect at 40 yards.
Hunting whitetails and turkeys I shoot one pin fixed at 20. Peep set for that.
Hunting out West, I had a 5 pin fixed, but would probably go with a setup like I use for 3d now.
The faster the arrow, the less noticeable this is, because the anchor adjustment is less.
I believe sight to eye distance makes a difference too. The closer the sight to your eye, the smaller the pin gap.
@@mrd4865 maybe for a professional. But I’m not good enough to know the difference. This just wasn’t the best representation because although the slider was moving and distance was changing the bow remained aiming at the same position. The bow would have an elevation change causing some change in the vision. If the bow didn’t change you’d be shooting for 20 yards distance again.
Question plea, I am struggling with raising my bow arm to get my pin up to the target. "My bow shoulder is down", so I am wondering do you think I might have my sight to high or to low causing me to struggle with my aim? Thank you 🏹🤠👍
The body should be a static "T" that pivots at the hips. You should not need to "raise your bow arm". You should just tilt back at the hips. Struggling to get on target could be a strength issue, improper bow balance (stabilizers to holding weight) or even target panic.
My sight still level with my peep, but now matter how I lean into the kisser and bow string. the sight is still well to the left when looking through the peep.
Also, scares me when you stand in front of the bow like that at full draw. I sure that d loop is a good one and not frayed.
That's the whole idea behind the speed. That's why always shit a knocking point below center. To create a rising arrow. Thus bringing the pin gap together. Yep. That's the way it is.
So create and market an oval peep.
Let me tell you. I know the dynamics of this sport. 20 through 50. Twenty: pin at top half of peep. 30 dead center . 40. 2/3 down and 50. Top of bottom part of peep. This allows you to hold your same anchor point every time. TODDY boys the name: archery was the game. YEP. That's the way it is.🤓🤓🤓🤓
Doesn't the peep sight aperture make a difference? I kinda get the point in target shooting at known distances with very small peep sights. Never had an issue hunting or 3D with a larger aperture peep. To me, and I'm not saying I'm right, the peep doesn't work like a rear sight on a rifle, it's just used to as secondary confirmation of correct anchor point.
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If you anchor the same place every time. And your twenty yard pin is dead center. With the same anchor, your 30 40 50. Are all going to stairstep below center of the peep. Where your twenty was centered. The higher you anchor the lower you will shoot. The lower you anchor the higher you will shoot. The. Projectile. ( arrow))
nice demonstration, but the rod seems not stiff (bend/ creep). Is it accurate enough to represent as eye sight path? thanks
No, it probably isn't, but it doesn't matter. Even if it was perfectly straight, you'd see the same thing happening at the peep.
This is getting to the realm of overthinking the shot. The human brain does and has been correcting for this situation for decades.
I agree, we make the subtle anchor adjustment subconsciously. The video was created specifically because of a discussion where some insisted that anchor point does not change when moving the front sight, which is obviously not correct.
Your over thinking it
Great explanation and demonstration; too bad it isn't going to convince the nay sayers!
"Stop confusing us with facts Nestly!" Lol
Humm ..you asumtion its not in my logical brain,seriously. What ever your change your sight in any distance its keep same and linear with your eye-peep-sight,because your left handed to hold the bow will adjust to keep your eye aiming to the aiming point,its mean in 100yard sight adjust your left hand must be go higher to keep in the aimimg point.
Dont waste your time with change your anchor point.seriously.....it keep same all the time to the linear, as long as you set corectly a peep position.
This makes me want to throw my SureLoc sight in the trash...... Line if sight is different than lobbing an arrow so,,, were you going to anchor at the same point & raise the bow up for longer distances or what in the SamDickens are you talking about ?????? Overthinking it - Just bend at the waist & shoot
Archery Australia claims that competition archers often have two bows set up for over 50 and under 50.
They also straight up say your anchor will be high at close range and low at long range.
I am setting up my first single pin and for me to be able to shoot how I like my anchor is high at 20 yards.