What a fantastic experiment with well presented data. I'm tired of poorly executed tests with inconsistencies and subjective conclusions. Bravo and thank you
That is really a cool dataset and the slomo video is really neat to see the difference in stabilization time. Would really be interesting to see velocities and parachute effect difference too. If I was closer I'd loan you the LabRadar for the extra data.
Looks to Me like, More, Arrow RPM's WOULD equal, Better, Truer accuracy & MORE "Forgiving", 3 Blade, Broadhead "Flight" ! Excited to see, My 3 Blade, Grim Reaper Micro Pro Hades with, 3* Helical, Fletched, to the LEFT,. Groups at,.. 40 - 50 yards. I'll be using, the AAE, 2.7" Max Stealth's and, the 3" long x .48 tall, new X-3's from, Bohning for My, accuracy Tests.
Interesting that the feathers went from last to first with some helical applied. Surprising performance on the Blazers as well with the broadhead. I shot them for years but I shoot AAE Max Hunter now; so, if you are taking requests I would like to submit those for the next run.
Hi, you got a high speed camera. Would you make a video how arrow rest movement left/right affects the arrow flight. It's a tuning thing mystery why the arrow rest must be moved to left if there there is nock left tear. It sounds just wrong but it is how it works. Maybe a high speed camera would tell the difference and how it works like that?
Nothing other than the vanes in the test so far. I'm still working to develop a standard test procedure. Next test will probably be based on distance per rotation vs rotations per minute since higher velocity is going to produce higher RPM whereas rotations per distance should remain fairly constant after terminal RPM is reached regardless of velocity.
Seems it didn’t really matter what configuration you had they went in the dot. Wonder how much difference it makes when a human shoots the bow. Does more rpm mean more forgiveness or does it not matter much as long as there is some spin.
Loved the vid! Thanks! However, I think you stopped short on the Heat vane and didn’t run it thru the same paces! I think it would have preformed as well as the Blazer. Just saying. Thanks for sharing your scientific mind with all of us.
I'm just at the beginning of spin rate testing. I think it's likely that too much, or too little spin both degrade accuracy, but I don't have any idea where those threshold points are at this point.
So maybe I’m incorrect in thinking, but I think 7 turns every 10 yards. I had someone in the army tell me 5.56 has a 1 in 7 twist rate. That’s 1 turn in every 7 in so not quite the same, but I thought the 13 turns in 20 looked.. the best.. also glad that the broad head and field point seemed to be tuned closer together. Really just shooting in the dark and guessing. Can’t wait to see the rest of your videos in the future.
Yes down-range, both should eventually reach the same RPM assuming they have the same offset/helical, however an "anti-clockwise" arrow may not even reach is full RPM depending on shot distance.
No, normally it depends witch way your bare shaft rotates! Whichever way it rotates will be the direction it spins more if paired with direction on vanes
@@reddawng43x91 The arrow shaft itself does not have a natural spin direction, the direction it rotates is determined by 1) forces applied to it by the bow during the launch, 2) the fletchings. Once in free-flight, and the initial rotational forces applied by the bow are no longer present, the fletchings alone determine the rotation direction, and the rotation rate.
Not much difference in accuracy that I could see. Nice group! The Robin Hood seekers will be puzzled by my comment, but those that don't shoot at the same dot will understand.
Thanks. Considering all 12 arrows were fletched differently, including 4 different combinations with broadheads, I'm pretty satisfied not to have many flyers.
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What a fantastic experiment with well presented data. I'm tired of poorly executed tests with inconsistencies and subjective conclusions. Bravo and thank you
Thank you for such an honest, time consuming test!
Caught up now. All questions answered. Subbed to get the latest from now on. Thanks for the content
Great video and information as always. Thanks for doing this. Happy Thanksgiving!!
very good data. thanks for filming this
Very useful tests. Thanks!
Nice Job! This was very interesting
That is really a cool dataset and the slomo video is really neat to see the difference in stabilization time. Would really be interesting to see velocities and parachute effect difference too. If I was closer I'd loan you the LabRadar for the extra data.
What a great test and video! I'm fascinated by the difference in offset and helical when paired with the Montec. Great stuff here!
Looks to Me like, More, Arrow RPM's WOULD equal, Better, Truer accuracy & MORE "Forgiving", 3 Blade, Broadhead "Flight" !
Excited to see, My 3 Blade, Grim Reaper Micro Pro Hades with, 3* Helical, Fletched, to the LEFT,. Groups at,.. 40 - 50 yards.
I'll be using, the AAE, 2.7" Max Stealth's and, the 3" long x .48 tall, new X-3's from, Bohning for My, accuracy Tests.
You are a big help for beginers;-)
Hi dude! Thanks for making slow motion vids!
Interesting that the feathers went from last to first with some helical applied. Surprising performance on the Blazers as well with the broadhead. I shot them for years but I shoot AAE Max Hunter now; so, if you are taking requests I would like to submit those for the next run.
A crazy video congratulations great ...
I'd love to see the rotations matched left vs. right from a bow firing counterclockwise
great men, thank you for data
Awesome!
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This is really excellent, thank you - did you notice any difference regarding accuracy / consistency of arrow flight with any of the configurations?
what high speed camera are you useing?
Have you ever tested any of the firenock vanes?
What Fletchings do you recommend based on your testing?
That's rite baby. Left helical or offset out of right hand bow. Bingo. Honor student.
Im wondering on, more spining is less spine?
Can you make a video showing what happens when you shoot wet feathers vs dry feathers?
Great work. Whats the difference between 3 deg offset and helical? It looked the same in the photo comparisons.
No broadhead test with 3 degree offset? It was flying with great rotation I was looking forward to how it stacked up with the head that matters
Hi, you got a high speed camera. Would you make a video how arrow rest movement left/right affects the arrow flight. It's a tuning thing mystery why the arrow rest must be moved to left if there there is nock left tear. It sounds just wrong but it is how it works. Maybe a high speed camera would tell the difference and how it works like that?
Did you ever find the broadheads loosening in the target?
More slow motion videos like this 🙂...!!
Arrow speed with this test would have been awesome
PRO!
Nestly, have you tested the 2" Quikspin at straight or 1dg offset? It would be interesting to compare with what you just tested.
Nothing other than the vanes in the test so far. I'm still working to develop a standard test procedure. Next test will probably be based on distance per rotation vs rotations per minute since higher velocity is going to produce higher RPM whereas rotations per distance should remain fairly constant after terminal RPM is reached regardless of velocity.
I’ve shot them before I switched to blazers 15 yrs ago, they make to much noise in flight
Seems it didn’t really matter what configuration you had they went in the dot. Wonder how much difference it makes when a human shoots the bow. Does more rpm mean more forgiveness or does it not matter much as long as there is some spin.
Loved the vid! Thanks! However, I think you stopped short on the Heat vane and didn’t run it thru the same paces! I think it would have preformed as well as the Blazer. Just saying. Thanks for sharing your scientific mind with all of us.
Thanks. Yeah, the Heat vane was a late addition to the test and didn't get the same amount of scrutiny.
1nestly perhaps later 🖖🏽😎👍🏽
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Does more rotation translate to a more stable arrow? Would you recommend a left helical for a more stable arrow?
I'm just at the beginning of spin rate testing. I think it's likely that too much, or too little spin both degrade accuracy, but I don't have any idea where those threshold points are at this point.
1nestly Thank you for the reply. I look forward to your findings!
So maybe I’m incorrect in thinking, but I think 7 turns every 10 yards. I had someone in the army tell me 5.56 has a 1 in 7 twist rate. That’s 1 turn in every 7 in so not quite the same, but I thought the 13 turns in 20 looked.. the best.. also glad that the broad head and field point seemed to be tuned closer together.
Really just shooting in the dark and guessing. Can’t wait to see the rest of your videos in the future.
Yes , more rotation equals more stability
Think of a fastball vs a nuckleball
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Would a right helical or degree in the fletchings spin at the same rate as a left?
Yes down-range, both should eventually reach the same RPM assuming they have the same offset/helical, however an "anti-clockwise" arrow may not even reach is full RPM depending on shot distance.
@@1nestly Thank you for the reply. Is it true that the twist in the string dictates the rotation of the arrow? Clockwise / Counter Clockwise?
No, normally it depends witch way your bare shaft rotates! Whichever way it rotates will be the direction it spins more if paired with direction on vanes
@@1nestly incorrect
@@reddawng43x91 The arrow shaft itself does not have a natural spin direction, the direction it rotates is determined by 1) forces applied to it by the bow during the launch, 2) the fletchings. Once in free-flight, and the initial rotational forces applied by the bow are no longer present, the fletchings alone determine the rotation direction, and the rotation rate.
Missing the right helical to see what happens.
Not much difference in accuracy that I could see. Nice group! The Robin Hood seekers will be puzzled by my comment, but those that don't shoot at the same dot will understand.
Thanks. Considering all 12 arrows were fletched differently, including 4 different combinations with broadheads, I'm pretty satisfied not to have many flyers.
If your bow is tuned correctly you should see the same accuracy with no fletchings and and less spin