How to Handle Power Creep Perfectly | Avatar The Last Airbender & Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Part 3

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  • @Koroto
    @Koroto  3 года назад +2428

    Hiya, to clear up any confusion about lightning bending - I should've elaborated a little more on that. Yes, Iroh does generate lightning as well, but he never uses it offensively like Ozai or Azula. The rest of what I said still stands - the characters who use it as a form of attack are indeed doing so with the intention to kill.
    Thanks to everyone pointing it out, will try to do a better job of explaining exactly what I mean in the future! ❤

    • @wakkaseta8351
      @wakkaseta8351 3 года назад +57

      Quite frankly, Iroh was never pushed to use it outside of demonstration purposes. Most of his battles he was able to win easily with little to no Firebending, and with lightning's charge up time, he'd be leaving himself as open to attack as Aang was to Azula when he was going Avatar State.

    • @cctz_1
      @cctz_1 3 года назад +38

      It was still pretty understandable what u meant, the offensive use of lightning-bending had a double meaning in that it represented brashness and aggression and crossing a boundary that our heroes would not, it also parallels aang’s moral dillema on killing ozai. Its a smart way to use a form of a powerup to enforce existing themes.

    • @ooiiooiiooii
      @ooiiooiiooii 3 года назад +26

      Also, learning lightning bending blows up in Zukos face not learning lightning redirection. It is only after Iroh sees Zuko can't make his own that he teaches him how to redirect.

    • @canthandlethislol
      @canthandlethislol 3 года назад +1

      Did you do any videos on hunter x hunter too? Also I havent watched it yet but I heard one piece is well also

    • @kylianos3907
      @kylianos3907 3 года назад +17

      To me, Iroh being able to lightningbend, but choosing not to says a lot about him as well. In his past, he was a pretty ruthless general, but he changed himself for the better after his son died.

  • @RitzyBusiness
    @RitzyBusiness 3 года назад +6131

    Jojo power progression is like playing a tough video game. You get smashed by a new unexpected mechanic but then you adapt and learn how to defeat it. Avatars is more like real life, where a level head can take you as far as you're personally capable of. Life tends to be an amalgamation of skills we've learned sometimes used in unconventional ways.

    • @u-thix2436
      @u-thix2436 3 года назад +117

      Perfect description

    • @lewismartin3430
      @lewismartin3430 3 года назад +147

      the 9 glory gods where the high level minibosses. (excluding oingo and boingo obviously)

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 3 года назад +58

      JoJo has Legend of Zelda style progression

    • @koworian
      @koworian 3 года назад +21

      If Avatar was like real life, it would be depressing.

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 3 года назад +101

      @@koworian As if real life isn't depressing

  • @wafflingmean4477
    @wafflingmean4477 3 года назад +4053

    I still think Zuko's reaction to Katara's bloodbending was one of the best subtle details in the series. He doesn't say a word, but you can see for a split second he is stunned, disturbed, and maybe a little afraid. He could never imagine this waterbending technique existing, or that Katara of all people would use it. But whereas Aang and Sokka would have immediately starting shouting for her to stop, Zuko lets it go, believing a certain level of brutality is necessary if they are going to win the war.

    • @GBlockbreaker
      @GBlockbreaker 2 года назад +479

      i think it also connects nicely with his joining of the gaang, Zuko probably never saw her as that much of a threat, sure she was strong but never really harmed someone, so when she said she'd make sure "his destiny ends right then and there" he probably didn't take her too seriously or didn't think much of it, seeing that she can very much make good of her threat in horrifying ways must've been quite the shock to him

    • @rand5106
      @rand5106 2 года назад +195

      He probably also didn't want to say anything in case she turned her bloodbending on him. Considering his past, he was already on comparatively thinner ice, and they were going up against Fire Nation soldiers. If he'd objected to her bloodbending, Katara might have perceived it as him betraying them/trying to defend to his birth nation, and attacked him as well.

    • @wafflingmean4477
      @wafflingmean4477 2 года назад +98

      @@rand5106 Yeah and with none of the rest of the Gaang nearby, Katara could easily kill Zuko during a full moon.

    • @RearAdmirl
      @RearAdmirl 2 года назад +118

      He also probably didn’t know when she’d learned it so he was probably also thinking “SHE COULDVE DONE THAT THE WHOLE TIME”

    • @GabrielusPrime
      @GabrielusPrime 2 года назад +103

      I personally think Toph learning metalbending was potentially a scarier thought for the fire nation, considering that all their armor, vehicles, and non-bending and non-explosive weapons were made of metal... If she had learned it early enough to teach it to the Earth Kingdom forces before the fall of Ba Sing Sei, I just know the entire war would have become a rout in the other direction.

  • @bigfatcarp93
    @bigfatcarp93 3 года назад +10576

    "When a new enemy is introduced, we see Jotaro fight him and often lose..." you mispronounced Polnareff

    • @caiorocha1049
      @caiorocha1049 3 года назад +1521

      Polnareff is the most harassed character in Jojo's history

    • @ーテイル
      @ーテイル 3 года назад +917

      @@caiorocha1049 Diavolo: LESS THAN INFINITE HARASSMENT? ROOKIE NUMBERS.

    • @caiorocha1049
      @caiorocha1049 3 года назад +159

      @@ーテイル okay, good point 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @johnnyaugust5015
      @johnnyaugust5015 3 года назад +151

      Yeah but even Diavolo beat Polnareff because he didn't know what his stand was

    • @nihili4196
      @nihili4196 3 года назад +303

      Diavolo might've killed Polnareff, but Polnareff won that fight.
      Remember, it wasn't about just defeating opponent, it was about getting the arrow. Polnareff managed to (accidentally) find a way to stall until more people capable of dealing with situation would arrive.

  • @Aohngalli52311
    @Aohngalli52311 3 года назад +1879

    Avatar : I must learn all the elements to save the world and my family
    JoJo : Ayo Jotaro we found dio les go

    • @Aohngalli52311
      @Aohngalli52311 3 года назад +25

      @Rotom Channel you mean Phantom Blood?

    • @Aohngalli52311
      @Aohngalli52311 3 года назад +6

      @Rotom Channel lol

    • @rainsarge
      @rainsarge 3 года назад +13

      It's mor like mama sick let's go beat this guys ass real quick

    • @knutos3295
      @knutos3295 3 года назад +4

      lessss go

    • @Drekromancer
      @Drekromancer 3 года назад +53

      OI JOSUKE
      I BEAT UP A RANDOM STRANGER

  • @piplupz1586
    @piplupz1586 3 года назад +5472

    Also Jojo roulettes the protagonists ability by using combos, different protagonists, and switching the protagonist group up each part.

    • @stubbornpotatogaming6220
      @stubbornpotatogaming6220 3 года назад +585

      Agreed, I remember the parts where Avdol is absent and yet that is the time when stand users can be easily defeated by him. So Jotaro and the rest needs to improvise.

    • @sherry.8145
      @sherry.8145 3 года назад +79

      And strategy

    • @MrSignalPlus
      @MrSignalPlus 3 года назад +71

      JoJo's routine gets very early quickly too though. It's not necessarily a power creap issue but a repeated format issue. It's constant introduction of new stands and foes doesn't allow for any substantial story growth but just facilities a dragged out story

    • @sherry.8145
      @sherry.8145 3 года назад +109

      @@MrSignalPlus ...bullshit

    • @GimOA
      @GimOA 3 года назад +185

      @@MrSignalPlus then what's the ideal plot would you recommends? I'd love to hear it more than this shitty critics without advise

  • @Obinndash
    @Obinndash 3 года назад +7726

    Azula is one of the only characters in history that didn't let the main character power up.

    • @enot2140
      @enot2140 3 года назад +429

      Ironicly, it happened in JoJos manga before ATLA :D

    • @enot2140
      @enot2140 3 года назад +200

      @@WingerWind I was thinking that too, but, tbf to obinndash, Hammer Titan isn't a main character.

    • @Obinndash
      @Obinndash 3 года назад +132

      @@enot2140 I guess you can generalize and just say characters that don't let the enemy power up.

    • @ーテイル
      @ーテイル 3 года назад +66

      @@enot2140 You mean in part 4 when jotaro doesn't let Kira use BTD? I can't really remember other example...

    • @ezequielin5058
      @ezequielin5058 3 года назад +47

      Android 17 Didint Let Ribrianne And the girls transform in the Tournament Of Power

  • @blokvader8283
    @blokvader8283 3 года назад +977

    I love how in Part 1, it was Dio that had more plot armour and asspulls than Jonathan lmao

    • @kaneconqueror6560
      @kaneconqueror6560 3 года назад +114

      Dio was the one who was made to suffer the most due to power creep. Sure, he was hateable from the start, but when the pillermen showed up they completely overshadowed him and kars was able to grab agro pretty well with how his deceptive and honorless behavior contrasted with wamuu's warrior honor and esidisi's loyalty and sacrifice. At least stands made him kinda relevant again, but even then i looked askance at how everyone played him up when he was just a leveled down version of an already faced threat. Kars ascended, and Dio is still trying to be painted as the big bad.

    • @ChadBenjamin
      @ChadBenjamin 3 года назад +200

      Jonathan had Pluck, and Dio had Luck.

    • @gilmsgabriel
      @gilmsgabriel 3 года назад +198

      Jonathan so strong that the villain needs plot armor by default

    • @runtergerutscht4401
      @runtergerutscht4401 3 года назад +88

      @@kaneconqueror6560 honestly a vampire with a stand already is scary enough, stopping time or not, so the power scaling did work quite well for him. And Kars didn't really raise the bar a lot, since he wasn't overpowered, outsmarted, outclassed or even actually defeated. Kars was literally bullshitted away by Joseph, no fighting just plot armor. Therefore, actually defeating someone like that would still have been an achievement.
      Also I want to note that Kars picked up that whole dishonorable behaviour and deceiving thing from Joseph, he never did that until Wham! died, at which point he decided that he needs to evolve his strategy to win.

    • @jonathanodude6660
      @jonathanodude6660 3 года назад +22

      @@runtergerutscht4401 pretty sure he didnt agree with whammus behaviour the entire time and there might have been a flashback that showed a minor disagreement on how they wanted to carry out their plan. also wasnt kars persuaded into the deal with joseph by whammu who admired his fighting spirit?

  • @xtentasticx
    @xtentasticx 3 года назад +2186

    Zuko: I got lightning bending
    Katara: I got bloodbending
    Toph: I got metalbending
    Sokka: I got a rock

    • @kadalix
      @kadalix 3 года назад +150

      no he has a boomerang

    • @xtentasticx
      @xtentasticx 3 года назад +230

      @@kadalix if you watched avatar you'd know he got a sword from a meteor
      I.e. rock

    • @kindasomeviews
      @kindasomeviews 3 года назад +12

      you missprounced sword for Sokka

    • @Zinervawyrm
      @Zinervawyrm 3 года назад +68

      @@kadalix And a space swor...nevermind, we don't talk about what happened to space sword.

    • @K.G444
      @K.G444 3 года назад +16

      Zuko can’t lightning bend, he can only redirect.
      Iroh, Ozai and Azula can though.

  • @schmittybacall1655
    @schmittybacall1655 3 года назад +2292

    “But there are times when jotaros time stop ability is useless.”
    “Useless”
    Useless-wait a second

    • @ddl3718
      @ddl3718 3 года назад +308

      M U D A

    • @kamikv
      @kamikv 3 года назад +89

      The dio is forming

    • @terramerc733
      @terramerc733 3 года назад +78

      MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA

    • @runtergerutscht4401
      @runtergerutscht4401 3 года назад +104

      I feel like this statement is very wrong. Stopping time was never useless for Jotaro, in the worst scenarios for him this is why he survives (like with the rats). Okuyasu would've died in that situation, so would have Koichi or Josuke.
      Stopping time is never useless, sometimes it's just not an insta win

    • @repulsethemonkey1396
      @repulsethemonkey1396 3 года назад +23

      Wait a second... NAY.. 9 seconds!

  • @lucykitsune4619
    @lucykitsune4619 3 года назад +936

    Ah yes. My 4 favourite shows:
    Introduction, Avatar the last Airbender, Jojos Bizarre Adventure and Outro

    • @lukasr1166
      @lukasr1166 3 года назад +2

      ?????????

    • @colmlooney5843
      @colmlooney5843 3 года назад +133

      Introduction is an absolute must watch for all hentai fans. I think the sequel Outro was a bit sloppy tho, a money grab if you will. Its a shame too 😔

    • @lagging5945
      @lagging5945 3 года назад +47

      @@colmlooney5843 Introduction is overrated

    • @weirdreapr
      @weirdreapr 3 года назад +33

      @@lagging5945 I disagree, but your opinion is valid

    • @lagging5945
      @lagging5945 3 года назад +24

      @@weirdreapr it’s not an opinion, it’s a fact

  • @haberak3310
    @haberak3310 3 года назад +2817

    What makes Jojo's Bizarre Adventure, in my opinion, better than other fighting anime is how the battles are decided. No one is explicitly stronger than anyone else, as such anyone could beat anyone. The biggest advantages you can have in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is creativity and intelligence. I mean even the kid in part four who didn't have a stand was able to outwit, and thus win against the main villain, even if he didn't actually throw the punches. Similarly in Avatar, it isn't "I am strong, therefore I am powerful", but rather "I am curious and willing to experiment and learn, therefore I am more powerful." Basically, when getting down to it, what these series have in common is that the characters have to really think to keep up and win.

    • @synkieagda7620
      @synkieagda7620 3 года назад +265

      Like Fromaggio would say :
      "What's important is not your power but how you use it".

    • @caesarin0
      @caesarin0 3 года назад +65

      I get the point of the example, but personally I despised everything about Hayato outwitting Kira since the entire thing felt like a load of bullshit tbh

    • @kaneconqueror6560
      @kaneconqueror6560 3 года назад +133

      You have to acknowledge though that this way is much more demanding on an author, in that they have to think up problems that don't require brute force solutions and think of creative solutions that perferably are not immediately obvious. And they have to keep it fresh and varied to a greater degree than systems where the main character can just punch it harder and the audience is just happy to see the hair change colors. Two martial fighting shows that i like and feel handle this well are Baki and Kengen Asura. Each show does have the main character learn and grow some over time, but the main variance is due to having a large cast of interesting characters that can be pitted against eachother. Each character is dangerous and a threat for a different reason, and thus there a advantages and disadvantaged matchups. The main character isn't the one fighting in over half the episodes, but the other characters are written well enough to be main characters in their own right, and so the mc doesn't have to consistently level up to compete in every fight. I think naruto may have started out with a similar setup at the beginning, but they never could fully leave naruto alone to focus on another character because they limited them as side characters.

    • @silversauceran
      @silversauceran 3 года назад +66

      which is how life works anyways. it should never be "oh i punch harder so i win" that's ridiculous.

    • @kaneconqueror6560
      @kaneconqueror6560 3 года назад +38

      @@silversauceran well, to be fair, it did kinda be that way when we still relied on melee combat. Plate armor granted near immortality on the battlefield and with large weapons it was a matter of just being strong enough to overpower your opponent. Though, there where always those weaker who would have to think if ways to gain an advantage to not get squished. But both paths were valid, and in shows that are based in a gritty melee system like Berserk, it makes sense and works that someone will win just because they are strong enough to hit harder than everyone else. But in berserk the true conflict seems to mainly be psychological. In shows where the fighting is the main conflict and entertainment, the hit it harder method is simply boring writing unless paired with some aditional factors. Tldr, battlefield melee combat is about quickly and efficiently killing as many people as possible, so hit harder is a valid method, but in a 1vs1 duel there is time to study your opponent and fight smart.

  • @getsoucy
    @getsoucy 3 года назад +1821

    Josuke from Part 4 is a great example of this. Every time he does something new, it is just an unseen usage of his power (e.g. destroying the motorcycle to avoid the infant, using the power chord to quickly get up in Super Fly, and using glass bullets against Kira with his own blood).

    • @scraftyme
      @scraftyme 3 года назад +252

      THANK YOU! NOBODY GIVES PART 4 THE CREDIT IT DESERVES

    • @jssupremacy3572
      @jssupremacy3572 3 года назад +54

      Well *spoiler alert for part 4* Josuke is Joseph's son

    • @benkirkpatrick6343
      @benkirkpatrick6343 3 года назад +213

      @@scraftyme I've always considered part 4 to be the most consistent and easy to watch part in the whole series.
      Part 3, imo, has a lackluster main character, and a perfect plot, ruined by a lack of ambition. Part 1 is slow, part 5 lacks humor, and part 2 is wonderful, but still suffers from the slowness of part 1.

    • @felixargyle1285
      @felixargyle1285 3 года назад +106

      @@benkirkpatrick6343 Jotaro's character arc goes from part 3 to part 6

    • @benkirkpatrick6343
      @benkirkpatrick6343 3 года назад +70

      @@felixargyle1285 I know, but imo, his character arc within part 3 left more to be desired, especially in his motivations and power creep. At a few points within the story, they introduced elements that could've held more weight (the role of his father in discovering his Stand, his anger and how it applies to his Stand's power, and the evolution of his Time Stop ability) but chose not to pull the trigger on things. Of all things, tho, I think they missed a perfect chance to humanize him.
      As I've seen it, Jotaro had the potential to be a perfect protagonist, but their decision to make him this stoic, Mary Sue-esque individual detracted from his more mature, fleshed out personality in parts 4 and 6.

  • @zepar9837
    @zepar9837 3 года назад +6182

    Toph learnt metalbending because she is strong. she did not get strong when she learnt metalbending.

    • @Joanbueller007
      @Joanbueller007 3 года назад +358

      learned metalbending because she is blind, making a disability an advantage

    • @turothecreator3067
      @turothecreator3067 3 года назад +267

      @@Joanbueller007 Honestly i don't think that had anything to do at all, she learned Metalbending because, as OP said, she's already strong.

    • @Slender_Man_186
      @Slender_Man_186 3 года назад +615

      She learned metal bending for the same reason she’s the best earth bender, she waited and listened.

    • @Darkness19Z
      @Darkness19Z 3 года назад +386

      @@turothecreator3067 It has everything to do with it, her blindness make her see the world in a whole different way because of what she learned from the Badger moles, which made it easy for her to bend.

    • @mehemynxm6974
      @mehemynxm6974 3 года назад +112

      @@turothecreator3067 she says outright she learned to listen because she's blind tho

  • @lucykitsune4619
    @lucykitsune4619 3 года назад +2516

    Katara: \*bloodbends someone and turns the rain into countless sharp ice-needles*
    Zuko: How the fuck did I survive fighting this girl thus far?

    • @cameronno6039
      @cameronno6039 3 года назад +340

      By doing it on a dry day without the moon...

    • @TheseUseless
      @TheseUseless 3 года назад +168

      to be fair, it's only possible to blood bend during a full moon

    • @cameronno6039
      @cameronno6039 3 года назад +233

      @@TheseUseless in ATLA. Korra completely mutilated all previous rules in the series. You don't even have to move to blood-bend anymore.

    • @axelaguirre5014
      @axelaguirre5014 3 года назад +101

      @@cameronno6039 in real life athletes keep breaking records and they are always more competitive than athletes in the past, that could also apply in avatar world with bending

    • @TheseUseless
      @TheseUseless 3 года назад +142

      @@cameronno6039 I'm never watching korra, all I ever hear is how much of a bastardisation it is.

  • @ehongkongwong
    @ehongkongwong 3 года назад +245

    You know the analysis is legit when he refers to Zuko's hired assassin by his proper name - Sparky Sparky Boom Man.

    • @Koroto
      @Koroto  3 года назад +43

      That is his one and true name after all.

  • @Pefonmo
    @Pefonmo 3 года назад +983

    If I remember correctly, when asked why the villains of Part 4 weren't stronger than the ones from Part 3, Araki said he didn't want to disrespect them.

    • @Koroto
      @Koroto  3 года назад +303

      Haven't seen this myself, but if that is the case - I feel like most authors should hear that 😄 I've always felt that with insane power-escalation, you're doing a massive disservice to everything that came before. Obviously, if it is a closed narrative, where the whole point is that the character gets stronger (almost like an RPG), previous obstacles should feel like lesser threats, but not trivial.

    • @Nepalien_
      @Nepalien_ 3 года назад +49

      @@Koroto You should really watch parts 1, 2, 4, 5 and read part 6-8. IMO they are all better than part 3

    • @Koroto
      @Koroto  3 года назад +90

      I've watched the whole series (have a video on ranking the parts too). Though I don't plan on reading the manga just yet, with Stone Ocean coming fairly soon(ish), I'll wait for the adaptation. :)

    • @NoOne-om7mm
      @NoOne-om7mm 3 года назад +42

      @@Koroto I've forgotten where it was but Araki did say that the reason he doesn't want to have a more op stand than the other is because he will have trouble doing power scaling like DBZ where the enemy came from destroying the whole city to a destruction of the universe type. He wanted to have a more proper scaling hence why Kira is not stronger than DIO but he is strong in his own way like that, that is why every following villain have different power levels instead of just increasing to have a battle with no over the top but not underwhelming fights.

    • @comicstrider4851
      @comicstrider4851 2 года назад +6

      @@Nepalien_ that's Araki having a power progression on his own irl lmao

  • @odohayo9140
    @odohayo9140 3 года назад +3600

    Stoping time is useless when you fighting a rat xD

    • @walesjedi9217
      @walesjedi9217 3 года назад +401

      it's really useless when you move the same way over and over, predictability is death in JoJo

    • @sweetmamaschili4051
      @sweetmamaschili4051 3 года назад +425

      @@walesjedi9217 Yeah you can tell Jotaro is out of practice when he hops to the right every couple seconds and doesn’t expect to be hit.

    • @Flamme-Sanabi
      @Flamme-Sanabi 3 года назад +22

      Except not really.

    • @jsus159
      @jsus159 3 года назад +179

      “The world” weak point are long range powerful attack because the user doesn’t know when to stop the time. Any snipper like stand can take him down.

    • @invisibleair2156
      @invisibleair2156 3 года назад +168

      Jotaro can deflext the bullets no prob. But the ratt doesn't use normal bullets, it uses some flesh melting shit.

  • @kazen16
    @kazen16 3 года назад +1509

    The reason why avatar power escalation works is because they really hammered down the rules and lore together. It’s simple and surprising easy to understand the rest are your imagination.

    • @zaydoesthings4378
      @zaydoesthings4378 3 года назад +110

      Yep but then in the legend of Korra they completely destroyed that in which they made it so the narrative fit korras story not korras story fitting the narrative that was already in placed years before hand

    • @debooty714
      @debooty714 3 года назад +12

      @@zaydoesthings4378 You mind explaining? I think the power escalation in TLOK is still fairly simple.

    • @zaydoesthings4378
      @zaydoesthings4378 3 года назад +80

      @@debooty714 I mean the world building and the rules of the first show were destroyed

    • @debooty714
      @debooty714 3 года назад +15

      @@zaydoesthings4378 I don’t think it was necessarily destroyed, if anything it expanded more on the lore

    • @casper3105
      @casper3105 3 года назад +123

      @@debooty714 nah it completely bends the lore backwards to fit Korras narrative, now korra does have its great moments for sure if you watch Korra without having any knowledge of TLA then yes it's a solid show, but it is direct Sequel to ATLA a series that has already established it's lore and how the world works but Korra was like "yea no fuck it".
      for example instead of bloodbending working only during the full moon when the waterbenders powers are at peak, now in korra you can master bloodbending without the fullmoon, they can even bend it during a daylight oh and you can take away someones bending with the bloodbending like this is just something youd read in a poorly written fanfiction.
      but theres no greater example of the show coming up with shit on spot than Rava which is like midichlorians in star wars, and its something that even the die hard star wars fans are like "yea we are just gonna ignore it".

  • @DigiTism
    @DigiTism 3 года назад +622

    Katara vs Hama and Zuko vs Azula have some good power scaling as well.
    Water being has a lot of “push and pull” in it, but when Hama sent water to Katara, she didn’t back down but stood her ground and blocked the water with an earth bending stance.
    Likewise with Zuko, when Azula is moving around in circles Zuko, at first used typical fire bending forms to try and catch her. When that doesn’t work, he uses an air bending technique with fire to send the fire in a circle to catch Azula.
    The power ups came from taking what was already there and applying it in different ways, and I really appreciate that take on powering up a character as opposed to other ways.

    • @mohammadmurie
      @mohammadmurie 3 года назад +87

      Like how Iroh created a way to redirect lightning by studying waterbenders

    • @punchster289
      @punchster289 3 года назад +78

      YES! I rewatched the show a bit ago and I noticed this happening over and over again. I think your comment dig's deep into this show's philosophy towards bending.
      Katara was only able to beat azula because she waited and listened for the exact right moment to freeze her and azula in ice, something she learned to do from topf. Aang ofc is the embodiment of that theme, literally studying from benders of all three other elements.
      jong jong uses fire like a waterbender. In the finale he made walls of fire which behaved very similarly to waves of water, deflecting projectiles and pushing back tanks. In the season one episode, he was shown to be very fond of water bending , its philosophy, and taught aang to use zhao's strength against him like what a waterbender would do. It was no mistake that despite being a firebender his introduction was in book 1: water
      bumi, apart from having raw power, thinks very much like an airbender. in his first episode, the point of his challenges was to make aang look at problems from a different angle and come up with creative solutions, which is exactly in line with airbending philosophy. Their similar personalities also explain how they got along so well as kids. I think that's also why he refused to teach aang. He knew he had nothing to offer him he couldn't get from any other earthbender. Don't have too many concrete examples regarding him fighting though. he seems to fight basically like any other earthbender, though with more power.
      The show isn't coy about this theme either. I think Iroh's quote "It's important to draw wisdom from many different places. If you take it from only one place, it becomes rigid and stale", states it perfectly. The fire nation's critical flaw was that they were jaded, not just in technique but in culture. Iroh knew this better than anyone. He saw the machinery of war took his son's life, and he found a source of firebending removed from the anger and ferocity that had been fueling the fire nation for generations. That stagnent rigidity iroh was talking about was shown in the headband where it was specifically fire nation students' individuality that was suppressed.
      Regarding fighting/technique, as mohammad pointed out, iroh's discovery of lightning redirection is a prime example of "drawing wisdom from different places", and so are all the other examples we pointed out (katara vs kama, zuko vs azula). Another quote from his same lecture to zuko was "It is the combination of the four elements in one person that makes the Avatar so powerful. But it can make you more powerful, too." This is probably why team avatar, despite being 4 young kids, were shown going toe to toe with some of the world's most powerful benders, people who have probably trained their entire lives. Yes aang is literally the avatar, but Katara, Zuko, and Toph were all not born with extraordinary strength or innate talent. Katara found waterbending awkward in the beginning, Toph is literally blind, and Zuko despite being from the royal family paled in comparison to azula when they were children.
      The reason they grew so powerful was for the exact reason iroh said, because they trained with and learned from each other constantly. The series shows that people live their entire lives knowing nothing outside their own cultures, and theyre all the lesser for it. By the end of the series the fire nation didn't stand a chance and iroh knew it. He's seen all of aang's teachers and knew what they were all capable of. At the end, he personally saw to it that everyone was in the exact positions they needed to be to end the war.
      How could the fire nation fleet possibly defeat someone who can bend metal on a metal airship, one of the best war strategists their world had ever known, and a kyoshi warrior. How could azula, completely rigid in her traditional firebending from rage and apathy, possibly defeat zuko, the banished prince who had probably seen the world thrice over, and katara, one of the most inspired water benders of her era. How could ozai, who iroh probably knew better than anyone, defeat aang, the culmination of so much wisdom and training from so many different people, and most importantly the one who could throw ozai's lightning right back in his face. The only reason the aang's battle didn't end right there is because he chose to find another way, and once again the way he found came from an alternate source of wisdom that no one had even considered (the lion turtle).

    • @punchster289
      @punchster289 3 года назад +31

      also regarding bumi, i guess his bending style can roughly be defined as loose and playful. he makes a smily face in the statue of ozai before toppling it and throwing it off a cliff, and he toys around with the tanks in the finale, plugging the windows they were fire bending out of with rocks before launching them up in the air, even though he could've done that in the first place to the same effect. But once again that's more a statement about his personality than his earthbending technique

    • @chikirin9349
      @chikirin9349 3 года назад +13

      "If you take your bending from only one source, it becomes rigid and stale."

    • @reflex9238
      @reflex9238 2 года назад +2

      That isn’t power scaling, that’s called writing

  • @sniclops15
    @sniclops15 3 года назад +301

    I like how in ATLA, it's the supporting characters that learn and harness the more advanced bending techniques. It just shows that no matter how powerful Aang gets with his 4 elements, *his friends are more experienced in their own field.* It's basically a choice between being adept at multiple things, or being a master at 1 thing. Two different approaches to growth in power that doesn't feel like pure ex Machina. Aang doesn't learn Blood/Metal/Whatever comes next bending because he isn't skilled enough in that one field.

    • @Voxen712
      @Voxen712 2 года назад +6

      that pfp and name were the work of a genius adnd no one can tell me otherwise

    • @sniclops15
      @sniclops15 2 года назад +1

      @@Voxen712 ty 🙂

    • @maxwellsterling
      @maxwellsterling 2 года назад +25

      I don't think it's fair to call it a choice between adept and master, as Aang with the 4 elements open to him already has a whole different level of power by using them in synergy instead of by themselves, such as airbenders not having the same resillience as earthbenders and earthbenders not having the same mobility, while Aang can exploit both and is a dangerously versatile fighter because of it. Sure, he doesn't bend metal or whatever, but with the knowledge of all elements he has the weakness of none and the strength of all, while the other benders don't - hence the avatar's massive strength compared to the others.

    • @kaylonhorohiwa1169
      @kaylonhorohiwa1169 2 года назад +12

      @@maxwellsterling Plus avatar state power growth.
      Kyoshi separated an island from a continent using it

    • @Phantom-kc9ly
      @Phantom-kc9ly Год назад +1

      Just because we don't see Aang use lightning doesn't mean he couldn't do it. We see him blood bend himself in Korra.

  • @kagekun1198
    @kagekun1198 2 года назад +82

    Notice this: Zuko always grunts in exertion whenever he firebends. But once he learns the true meaning of firebending from the Masters, the grunts stop. There's also the expansion of firebending application from Zuko and Iroh. Airbenders can control their internal temperature by their breathing. Zuko beat the Cooler in the Boiling Rock by breathing fire techniques. When Iroh blocked Zhao's suckerpunch on Zuko when he lost the duel, his stance really resembled an earthbender's. And let's not forget Iroh's and Zuko's signature lightning redirection which came from waterbending culture. Truly, learning of the the world's different cultures and applying them, is what makes you whole.

  • @Witchgirl44
    @Witchgirl44 3 года назад +3111

    “Add 30 more stand users to part 3” please god no

    • @waffles6280
      @waffles6280 3 года назад +247

      Theres like 24, we don't need more.

    • @exxelsetijadi5348
      @exxelsetijadi5348 3 года назад +146

      At that point, the entire JoJo group would've been wiped out except for Jotaro

    • @isaiahhackshaw201
      @isaiahhackshaw201 3 года назад +215

      @@exxelsetijadi5348 The way he beat J. D'Arby was the best. Maybe he could just intimidate every stand user he encounters until they just pass out like D'Arby or die of a heart attack?

    • @danydady6851
      @danydady6851 3 года назад +161

      @@exxelsetijadi5348 nah, the only stand users to kill any of the crusaders were vanilla ice and dio himself. It took nothing short of stands that warped the fabric of the universe to stop that crew.

    • @zacharygiles2984
      @zacharygiles2984 3 года назад +88

      @@isaiahhackshaw201 the D'Arby fights were some of my favorite SDC episodes

  • @superdragon8604
    @superdragon8604 3 года назад +367

    one point i saw first on reddit was that you can see zuko use stances influenced by other styles of bending to win the final agni kai, showing how much he’s grown, and also how interconnection and willingness to learn from others can make you a stronger person

    • @caiorocha1049
      @caiorocha1049 3 года назад +41

      He also learned that from Iroh. He explained that if you only seek knowledge from one source, it becomes frail and weak. That's why Iroh can redirect lightning, he developed that technique from water benders. So Zuko and the rest of Team Avatar adapting the styles and mentalities from each other into their own makes a lot of sense to make them more powerful, as well as character growth

    • @augustday9483
      @augustday9483 3 года назад +18

      @@caiorocha1049
      I really like how that lesson ties back into the central idea of the Avatar bringing together the four elements into something that is greater than the sum of its parts. Even characters who aren't the Avatar can learn from other bending styles and become stronger.

    • @caiorocha1049
      @caiorocha1049 3 года назад

      @@augustday9483 yeah, truly a master piece
      ( ˘ ³˘)

  • @viniciusrodrigues1689
    @viniciusrodrigues1689 3 года назад +303

    ''Jojo's power never change'' - Star Finger send its regards

    • @blindbeholder9713
      @blindbeholder9713 3 года назад +57

      He was capable of it from the moment Star Platinum appeared and never lost access to it. It just isn't very useful outside of Jotaro being restrained.

    • @joaorugeri9885
      @joaorugeri9885 3 года назад +28

      the power never changed. it just isnt as useful as people think it is.

    • @m.f.m.8290
      @m.f.m.8290 3 года назад +5

      Part 3 JoJo is full of asspulls, from the very first episode, Part 1 or 4 would've fit better

    • @runtergerutscht4401
      @runtergerutscht4401 3 года назад +28

      @@m.f.m.8290 Wait you watched part 2 and part 3 is the one you're calling out for having asspulls?
      Have you stopped thinking?
      P.S.: No offense meant, just a meme

    • @roserose109
      @roserose109 3 года назад +1

      @@m.f.m.8290 from the very _first_ episode? Complete bull tbh

  • @CameronKujo
    @CameronKujo 3 года назад +193

    Younglings: “Araki, there are too many powerful stands. What are we going to do?”
    Araki Writing part 6: *unsheathes lightsaber*

    • @lewascan2676
      @lewascan2676 3 года назад +3

      😅😂🤣😂🤣👍👍

  • @riomade1163
    @riomade1163 3 года назад +1784

    I completely agree. Plot armour and unrealistic power ups completely ruin a story

    • @caphedaa
      @caphedaa 3 года назад +124

      That sounds exactly like every bleach fight

    • @yoyoyo9035
      @yoyoyo9035 3 года назад +169

      Naruto after the Pain arc suffers from this. Makes me incredibly disappointed in the war arc.

    • @hotpotcoconut6994
      @hotpotcoconut6994 3 года назад +53

      @@yoyoyo9035 yeah the war arc ruined naruto for me

    • @IAm-zo1bo
      @IAm-zo1bo 3 года назад +5

      You never know dude for some people that might be better

    • @hotpotcoconut6994
      @hotpotcoconut6994 3 года назад +53

      @@IAm-zo1bo yeah for children

  • @numberbndl3763
    @numberbndl3763 3 года назад +303

    Dang now I wanna rewatch both of these shows

    • @dankmoon949
      @dankmoon949 3 года назад +6

      Injust rewatch avatar and korra after years and I 100% recommend watching them again if you're interested plus idk if you know but theres a new animated avatar in the work rn I remember reading something about the old crew getting back together after they left the netflix show cause Netflix was controlling (what did they expect tho lol)

    • @alfonsocruz6100
      @alfonsocruz6100 3 года назад

      Me too!

    • @Nepalien_
      @Nepalien_ 3 года назад +4

      watch jojo from part 1

  • @phlpcockrell
    @phlpcockrell 3 года назад +2489

    I dont think Zuko was more powerful than Azula at the end. At least not because of training. The only reason he could match her was because she was having a mental breakdown. Even being completely calm and collected while she was having a psychotic break they were still pretty even, and if Azula were fighting at full capacity she definitely wouldn't have been tripped up.. But he was definitely much much closer to her in power than he was in book 2.

    • @lightman9935
      @lightman9935 3 года назад +456

      Still, if you watch the fight again, in terms of raw power he actually managed to get on par with her and even maybe surpass her, you can see it in the fight where they exchange blows, Zuko's red fire and Azula's blue fire had equal range and size (and no, if Azula was calm the power of her fire bolts wouldnt've changed, her strategy and techniques would though) We also see that Zuko matched her power in a previous episode where Azula attacks them at the air temple and her and Zuko had a duel where they both got knocked out, but even then i believe that Zuko would had an edge over her because he became more disciplined throughout his journey and learn more techniques form a lot of different people.

    • @EggEnjoyer
      @EggEnjoyer 3 года назад +303

      @@lightman9935 Exaclty. Zuko has learned even from the original benders and his bending source comes from a different source than most benders. He simply has superior technic and mind

    • @phlpcockrell
      @phlpcockrell 3 года назад +137

      @@lightman9935 his attacks were mostly smaller than hers. But they didn't need to be bigger or even equal. They just needed to be able to dispel hers, which he was able to do masterfully. And yes. If Azula were calm the power would change. Collateral damage didn't matter to her so she could go all out, resulting in bigger attacks. Azula completely outclassed zuko for most of the series. But in terms of raw physical strength zuko probably has the edge which is why a point blank attack knocked her back as well. But it was an indication to the audience that Zuko was much closer to her level than he used to be. Considering how completely outmatched zuko was in book 2, it's much more believable zuko would be at her level through training (since Azula doesn't train) and learning true firebending than actually surpassing her. Even zuko says he can only take her because she's "slipping"

    • @Koroto
      @Koroto  3 года назад +337

      Hmm, interesting perspective, I never really think about power in such a pure way as I think it's a bit of an antics issue. I'd agree that in that perspective, Azula is certainly more powerful, I think the blue fire (it being so much hotter than any other bender we see) speaks for itself. However, when you take a broader look at their fight, their power doesn't just come from bending, it's very much about technique. After Azulas breakdown, I would say Zuko was actually more powerful - if you look at their conversation right before she zaps Katara, Zuko is still at full strength, while Azula is quite taken aback. Also during the fight, Zuko is the only one who manages to deliver a strike that sets her off-balance. Honestly, I think if Azula hadn't decided to hit Katara, Zuko would've come out on top in that fight.
      Though again, I totally understand your view too and it could totally swing the other way. At the end of the day, I think we're looking into it too much already :D Appreciate the comment though! :)

    • @kevind3974
      @kevind3974 3 года назад +67

      Also her whole thing with her mastery and power was control and perfection. By breaking down she loses some of her main foundry’s of her natural ability.
      In a sense her final fight would be more comparable to someone going into a blood rage, she was not in crontrol.

  • @saparapatepete
    @saparapatepete 3 года назад +128

    I think another reason these work are because the power escalation doesn't happen in the middle of a battle. Any gap in raw power is overcome by strategy, or the character loses/runs away. Even Jotaro's realization of the nature of his stand was slightly foreshadowed by people mentioning his stand's speed seems "so fast it looks like stopping time".

  • @Nameandaddresswithheld
    @Nameandaddresswithheld 3 года назад +63

    Zuko’s power progression also comes with him taking Iroh’s advice by using elements of the other bending styles. He uses a big flowing water bending move to create a literal wave of fire to protect himself, or when he busts out the earth bending wide base style to form a type of barrier. I always really appreciate this detail because it fits the ideology of martial arts in general. The most skilled fighters are the ones that embrace many styles and use the elements of various styles to improve upon the skills you have/prefer

  • @cube_cup
    @cube_cup 2 года назад +76

    Toph's metal bending actually is such a huge power spike. The difference is that it's entirely deserved. Toph hadn't actually mastered neutral jin until she was forced to use it outside the comfort of her ground. Neutral jin isn't just something you perform in control, it's also something to perform outside control to regain it. We see exactly this in the most overt practitioner of it. Bumi had no idea of the black sun.
    This is the beginning of the end of Toph's character arc. The one where she runs away when she lost power. Now, like the ultimate earthbender, she sits back and listens. This manifests in 'aye aye, captain', which will never not make me feel emotional. Performing neutral jin as she trusts Sokka.

    • @Chris-ks4sw
      @Chris-ks4sw Год назад

      Katara has much bigger power spikes constantly. End of the 1st book, end of the second book and the start of the 3rd book

  • @lordpumpkinhead265
    @lordpumpkinhead265 3 года назад +367

    JoJo's Bizarre Adventure could be summed up pretty easily as third-dimensional chess with a lot of violence and cool abilities.

  • @MrPtrB
    @MrPtrB 3 года назад +141

    "when he's outmatched, he loses or runs", more series need to do this, good xianxia novels do this all the time as well, with the main characters generally always going into battles with at the very least an escape plan.
    And avatar clearly gets a lot of inspiration from those.

    • @jsus159
      @jsus159 3 года назад +10

      Hunter x hunter also does this

    • @ezequielin5058
      @ezequielin5058 3 года назад +3

      They Didint Really had a plan, but in DBZ And Súper the Z-Warriors has to constly escape Against Frieza Soldiers Like Dodoria Zarbon And Escaped Goku Black

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 3 года назад +24

      It was one of Joseph's technics in part 2

    • @vasamatijasevic1948
      @vasamatijasevic1948 3 года назад +8

      Nigerundayoo

    • @genoob5843
      @genoob5843 Год назад

      You mean the joestar family secret technique?

  • @midnight_horizen8184
    @midnight_horizen8184 3 года назад +198

    I feel like power creep in JoJo's is settled by the concept of Parts with the Creep resetting each part. In Part 1,2 and 3 the entire world is threatened.
    Meanwhile in Part 4 a small town named Morioh is threatened.

    • @LightVelox
      @LightVelox 2 года назад +40

      Even then, you could take a lot of villains from Part 3 and they would have a solid chance of beating people from Part 4, 5 and 6. Even if they didn't reset each part the fact each power is unique means there can always be situations when the "op protagonist" can lose(unless you're Giorno), just like how Jotaro was defeated by a rat in Part 4, the rat just had a good ability and predicted Jotaro's movements

    • @TheWidestSunEnjoyer
      @TheWidestSunEnjoyer Год назад

      In part 4, the concept of time running is threatened

  • @slightlyembittered
    @slightlyembittered 3 года назад +135

    When you introduce a new power, it should often come with a limitation so as not to overwhelm your magic system. Like you can only bloodbend during the full moon.
    You did really well with this. good job.

    • @EggEnjoyer
      @EggEnjoyer 3 года назад +48

      Depends. I feel like some power creep is acceptable. Like in dragon ball when Goku first get super sayain. That’s cool and yeah the enemies would now have to get stronger to keep up, it’s no big deal and a worthy trade off. The problem dragon ball has though is that it didn’t do this just once or twice, instead it became the entire story. The characters just keep getting stronger and stronger and stronger with no limits. Now they went from fighting tournaments on earth to fighting literal gods

    • @vojtechkorhon4159
      @vojtechkorhon4159 3 года назад +31

      @@EggEnjoyer the biggest downside to that is how other characters aren't relevant anymore

    • @Koroto
      @Koroto  3 года назад +40

      Yup, I think its exactly how you put it. Some power creep certainly isn't a problem, it becomes an issue when it's constant and the series goes on for an extremely long time.
      The 2nd part of this mini series is a prime example of it - constantly bringing in more and more powerful characters, by the end of the series you're fighting a literal higher consciousness.

    • @EggEnjoyer
      @EggEnjoyer 3 года назад +22

      @@vojtechkorhon4159 Yeah that’s why you can’t over do the power creep. Sometimes it’s cool to think “wow I can’t believe this guy was a threat at one point”. But then it gets it the point where you just start disrespecting any of your formerly strong character

    • @marethyu_77gamer93
      @marethyu_77gamer93 3 года назад +1

      @@EggEnjoyer Exactly, this is also a feel cery present in Seven Deadly Sins, where the Holy Knights that used to be a threat in s1 are already heavily outclassed mid S2.
      .
      .
      And don't get me started on their final power levels, at this point it's literally being too powerful for the world to hadle their presence (at least Meliodas)

  • @mintcey
    @mintcey 3 года назад +179

    "The same powers they always had"
    Starfinger: Am I a joke to you?

    • @Nepalien_
      @Nepalien_ 3 года назад +24

      oMgg WHY diDNT Joatro USE STRA FInger TOI KILLL PUCKI MAED IN HAvEN????? ARKI ForgoT!!!!!!!1111111

    • @Faith_Pride
      @Faith_Pride 3 года назад +22

      Ah yes because star finger would've been *sooo* useful against DIO or Bug Eaten

    • @porkadillo9752
      @porkadillo9752 3 года назад +4

      @@Faith_Pride It's still power creep, and still a Deus ex Machina, even if Araki was smart enough to never put Jotaro in a situation where he'd need it again. Introducing an unforeshadowed ability to resolve a conflict is always bad writing regardless of what happens afterwards. If anything Araki stating that he couldn't find a use for it later on just makes it look worse, because he's essentially admitting that he created Star Finger just to conveniently resolve one fight.

    • @Faith_Pride
      @Faith_Pride 3 года назад +2

      @@porkadillo9752 two fights*

    • @MamaTrixxieAsmr
      @MamaTrixxieAsmr 3 года назад +8

      @@porkadillo9752 two, actually, although I'm blanking on what the second one was, but the thing is, it also wasn't USEFUL outside of those two instances.
      It also does make sense, but noth without context-
      Star Platinun has high precision, and high strength.
      Star finger is a focused attack through the fingers of Star platinum isn't as strong as a punch, and it's not much more range than star platinum's own but is useful in the rare situation in which a close range fighter would need an attack that sacraficed some strength to gain some range.
      Also: How are you going to single out star finger when it's shown that the bodies of stands can be manipulated/ the rules were more lenient in part 3?
      Just naming off a few examples:
      HG&SC vs The lovers- both stands shrink
      Silver chariot: Shooting the sword.
      Magician's red:All we're told is that he can manipulate fire, nothing about that says he'd be able to create a fire trap, like with the Crossfire hurricane variation
      Star finger is just another one of part 3 using stats as soft rules rather than hard limits(looking at you, part 5, those bullets wouldn't have veered off into the building just because the 6 Pistols can't go far enough to stay with them...that's bs.)

  • @nevamoth3384
    @nevamoth3384 3 года назад +48

    2:06
    just realised toph gives herself a hole to see through the rock armour despite being blind lol

    • @rush4in
      @rush4in 2 года назад +16

      That was actually a mistake on the animators' part. It was supposed to be a mouth hole

  • @amanul_2474
    @amanul_2474 3 года назад +107

    I just realised now how much Avatar and JJBA part 3 are similar, like 2 groups travelling to stop an OP overlord in the desert, its uncanny

    • @DSan-kl2yc
      @DSan-kl2yc 3 года назад +12

      Not really. A group travelling is very common. Think any rpg.

    • @bloopboop9320
      @bloopboop9320 2 года назад +2

      Ozai wasn't hiding out in a desert. The final battle ended up in a desert, but honestly it looked more like DBZ.

    • @josechamu240
      @josechamu240 Год назад

      No nigga.

  • @MissLilianae
    @MissLilianae 3 года назад +23

    Something that I felt needed mentioned a bit more with Bloodbending:
    You did mention how it was designed to show us Katara's character growth, and I do agree with you. What I think should be further elaborated is that Hanna is, at least to me, designed to be a parallel to Katara. Hanna let her anger and hatred of the fire nation and its conquest control her actions after her capture. She learned Bloodbending *specifically* to get back at her captors and torture them like they tortured her.
    This is meant to be a brief glance into what Katara could've been. She does hate the Fire Nation for taking her mom away from her and ruining her people's livelihoods, but at the same time she manages to control that hatred and use it as fuel to work towards productive things like helping Aang learn Water-bending and helping him save the world and stop Ozai. Unlike Hanna she did not let that hate fuel a quest for revenge.
    Your point of how we only see bloodbending twice is essentially the capstone to this discussion. The first time we see it is when it's introduced, and the second time we see it is when Katara is letting her hatred fuel her actions in an unhealthy way by pursuing the man who took her mother away. She begins to recede back on her own path she's been walking and starts down the path that Hanna went down, but unlike Hanna she realizes what she's doing is wrong and in the end is unable to "go over the edge" by killing him, unlike Hanna who spent the rest of her life torturing Fire Nation citizens via Bloodbending.

  • @user-me5fh3yu1j
    @user-me5fh3yu1j 3 года назад +666

    JoJo's and avatar? What's next, a video including code geass and clone wars?

    • @ruby_dragon4034
      @ruby_dragon4034 3 года назад +59

      i mean there are some things between the 2 that can create interesting videos

    • @indrickboreale7381
      @indrickboreale7381 3 года назад +58

      "Power in fire bending comes from the breath, not the muscle" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    • @Simianking2
      @Simianking2 3 года назад +26

      This but unironically

    • @nandkolo725
      @nandkolo725 3 года назад +6

      I'd be happy

    • @psykosav6459
      @psykosav6459 3 года назад +4

      I love 2003 clones Wars it’s so underrated

  • @TMFriedVO
    @TMFriedVO 3 года назад +67

    finally RUclips's recommendation algorithm brought me to some quality content
    Keep up the good work!

  • @TheseUseless
    @TheseUseless 3 года назад +126

    i mean, 2 stands in ALL of jojo's are exempt from the power system. Koichi's Echoes, and Johnny's Tusk. They are both fundamentally incomplete, and gain more abilities as they grow as people. It's not exactly part 3 specific.

    • @lanaware
      @lanaware 3 года назад +25

      The shortest route was a detour

    • @ForgeofAule
      @ForgeofAule 3 года назад +18

      But they reached a limit I would say. Tusk Act 4 unlocks infinite rotation, and you can't get much more rotation than infinite. Koichi's Reverb finally reached its final stage as he reached maturity, and I don't think it would ever become Act 4.

    • @nihili4196
      @nihili4196 3 года назад +20

      @@ForgeofAule Tusk act 4 is pretty much overpowered, even with requirements to use it. It mirrors Johnny's growth tho.
      As for Echoes, we don't know if Koichi is capable of maturing his stand even further. Maybe he is, maybe he's not. But that would probably come only if he was to grow as person, and he's pretty much a matured fighter already.

    • @kanseidorifto2430
      @kanseidorifto2430 3 года назад +12

      Johnny’s Tusk is probably my favorite stand, because it’s different forms are a mirrored representation of personal growth in confidence and knowledge, while also tying in heavily to the laws of the SBR universe.

    • @m.f.m.8290
      @m.f.m.8290 3 года назад +5

      Echoes gets increasingly stronger but increasingly specific powers. But he's able to revert to a previous form IIRC he uses part 1 when he already had part 2

  • @Oscar-b5b4x
    @Oscar-b5b4x 3 года назад +54

    A reason why both of these shows are perfect.

    • @runtergerutscht4401
      @runtergerutscht4401 3 года назад +6

      Not to mention JoJo's fabulous poses, which make men question their heterosexuality

    • @Jr-yb8lg
      @Jr-yb8lg 3 года назад +8

      @@runtergerutscht4401 ...no bro that's just you lol.

    • @runtergerutscht4401
      @runtergerutscht4401 3 года назад +1

      @@Jr-yb8lg you haven't seen enough of the JoJo fandom, then

    • @Your_Duolingo66-g1f
      @Your_Duolingo66-g1f 3 года назад +5

      @@runtergerutscht4401 stone ocean made my heterosexuality come back

    • @K.G444
      @K.G444 3 года назад

      @@Jr-yb8lg Lol 😂 you mad funny mane

  • @TimilehinOlaokun
    @TimilehinOlaokun 3 года назад +16

    My favourite quote is that Avatar: The last Airbender is just one huge training arc

  • @christianmayonove6914
    @christianmayonove6914 3 года назад +29

    All i got from the Avatar analysis is that Toph basically saved the world.

  • @lucidlullaby894
    @lucidlullaby894 3 года назад +155

    How to curb your power creep; reset the universe but then give the next protagonist the second strongest stand in the series
    But I’ll give Araki credit, the abilities of the villains are exponentially more powerful than the protagonists, to the point that the protags strongest attack can be easily shrugged off, forcing the them to rethink their approach

    • @colmlooney5843
      @colmlooney5843 3 года назад +25

      Have you seen the power of the newest antagonist part 8. Araki really taking this exponential power scaling thing seriously...

    • @lucidlullaby894
      @lucidlullaby894 3 года назад +24

      @@colmlooney5843 Wonder of U is what I was referencing to with “Protags strongest attack gets shrugged off”. I can’t wait to see how Gappy finally lands a hit on it

    • @ryanspence5831
      @ryanspence5831 3 года назад +9

      @@lucidlullaby894 reread a few chapters back, the special bubbles are not the ones on his fingers, but the ones that come from his shoulder; the bubble that got shot through the phone with paisley park should bypass calamity and probably kill or injure tooru

    • @lucidlullaby894
      @lucidlullaby894 3 года назад +3

      @@ryanspence5831 I haven’t been keeping up with Jojolion, only checked out 105 because I heard so much happened at once, but yeah you’re right the parried bubble was a regular shot

    • @sinuset4629
      @sinuset4629 3 года назад +4

      johnny can only use infinite rotation when he has the perfect golden ratio made with his horse, he still has his limitations and can’t just whip it out for fun. and even then, he spent the entirety of the story working to achieve this and only got to use it twice. unless you mean gappy in which case i have no idea, i haven’t read enough yet

  • @thyagobraga641
    @thyagobraga641 3 года назад +88

    Just a correction, the lightning bending is also used by Iroh, just see the second book, when he is teaching Zuko the redirection technic, he tries to teach too the use of lightning. Sub forms of bending are created by a fully understand of one off the four main first styles, and goes a pass away - lightning, blood, sand, steel - the elements are present everywhere, learning how to communicate with they is the key to achieve a special way to bend. Great video, good job

    • @lightman9935
      @lightman9935 3 года назад +13

      I think he meant that he didnt use it in a fight, he only countered other people's lightning bolts

    • @thyagobraga641
      @thyagobraga641 3 года назад +3

      @@lightman9935 the way what he talked doesn't is much exact about this, but yes, i can see too now you bring this

    • @Koroto
      @Koroto  3 года назад +26

      Yup, that's exactly what I meant. Iroh never uses it as an offensive tool, he only ever uses it in the form of self-defense. Even when he's teaching Zuko, he mentions that under no circumstances would he ever lightning bend at him as a form of practice, saying that, if Zuko's lucky, he would never have to use the redirection technique either. As I said in the video - Azula and Ozai are the only characters we see who use it offensively. Perhaps I should've elaborated on it a little more though :)

    • @nihili4196
      @nihili4196 3 года назад +1

      Well, from the flashbacks to siege of Ba Sing se we see that Iroh wasn't always as good as he is now. I wouldn't call him a stone heart killer even back then, but it would make sense he was able to master lightning if it takes murder intention or something like that to use it. Heck, he could've re-invent the technique later.
      But point still stands: Iroh never used lightning against anyone

    • @cameroncaws5959
      @cameroncaws5959 3 года назад +5

      @@Koroto Iron does use lightning to blast through a wall when running from Azula at Be Sing Se. It seems lightning can be used for more than just murder.

  • @matteolongo6176
    @matteolongo6176 3 года назад +68

    Korotos: "Lightning in Avatar is used to show us that these characters are essentially cold blooded killers"
    Palpatine: "The dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural"
    Checks out.

  • @alfa01spotivo
    @alfa01spotivo 4 года назад +30

    pretty good video. l love talk about power escalation and how different series handle it and how even some solve the problem correctly like as you said avatar and jojos

  • @seraphim6786
    @seraphim6786 3 года назад +92

    A video that talks about ATLA *and* JJBA....
    Was this video tailor made for me? How long have you been watching me??

    • @Koroto
      @Koroto  3 года назад +21

      I'm always watching. Always.

    • @mega4614
      @mega4614 3 года назад +1

      @@Koroto And that's why you should use NordVPN so people don't spy on you!

  • @portalrunner5580
    @portalrunner5580 2 года назад +4

    6:05 Toph’s metalbending, bloodbending, and lighting. Sounds like toph is OP

  • @assordante2205
    @assordante2205 3 года назад +15

    Can we all just agree that Aang was an amazing earthbender? He had the most trouble with that while training, but it became his second best element.

    • @matthewkuscienko4616
      @matthewkuscienko4616 2 года назад +2

      That's actually quite an interesting point, as it goes to show how he had to adapt his way of thinking as the series progressed to learn the other 3 bending styles. It also goes to show how flexible he had become by the end of the series, too, not just in terms of all the bending styles he was able to utilize, but also his capability to use different tactics depending upon the situation

  • @jojomojofofo
    @jojomojofofo 3 года назад +14

    Krotos: “The series can even introduce seemingly extremely overpowered abilities.”
    Wonder of U: “Allow me to introduce myself.”

    • @isuspep
      @isuspep 3 года назад +3

      that stand is insane

    • @mirzapramudya1580
      @mirzapramudya1580 2 года назад +2

      To be quite fair, WoU isn't exactly OP, it's only OP because the cast is always put in a situation that benefits Tooru in every way possible

  • @kartikeysingh9301
    @kartikeysingh9301 3 года назад +22

    Great video man. Crisp and detailed. Please keep up the good work.

    • @Koroto
      @Koroto  3 года назад +3

      Thanks a bunch! :)
      Will do! 👍

  • @vanilla8956
    @vanilla8956 2 года назад +6

    11:15 "Let's take the most extreme example: stopping time"
    Lmao he doesn't know about Wonder of U

  • @menacingpotato582
    @menacingpotato582 3 года назад +7

    As a person absolutely obsessed with JoJo and avatar, I feel like this video was made for me

  • @sarpius4710
    @sarpius4710 3 года назад +21

    ''even the most over powered stands have a weakness'' Gold Experience Requiem
    would like to know your location

    • @owo4288
      @owo4288 3 года назад +10

      The only weakness that I can actually think of is the stand can only protect Giorno physically and is vulnerable to rewrite reality. So the only way to beat him is to either traumatize him to the point of suicide or achieve Heaven.

    • @jarjarbinks6698
      @jarjarbinks6698 3 года назад +7

      @@owo4288 so ger can be only beaten by heaven stands

    • @almightyodin7305
      @almightyodin7305 3 года назад

      What about acasuals(beings who aren't affected by cause and effect), they can easily beat giorno since ger won't affect them

    • @sarpius4710
      @sarpius4710 3 года назад

      @@almightyodin7305 that means at least nigh omnipotence and yes they could defeat Giorno but that would be defeating Giorno through superior strength rather than exploiting a weakness

    • @SteveIsHavingMC
      @SteveIsHavingMC 3 года назад

      @@almightyodin7305 i think such creatures would have bigger concerns than fighting some 15 year old with weird clothes tbh

  • @WorldsCoolestPerson
    @WorldsCoolestPerson Год назад +2

    FMA is honestly the gold standard for shonen power creep, because there isn’t any. No power is gained without giving something in return. Equivalent exchange.

  • @oceanman6973
    @oceanman6973 2 года назад +1

    “Without some bogus way of beating it”
    *not Jotaro committing the greatest Ass pull in fiction*

  • @abraxasALP
    @abraxasALP 3 года назад +190

    I think One Piece does a great job with power escalation. Sure, there are overpowered characters, but they were like that since the start.
    Presenting your top contenders early just makes the escalation easier. Even when you introduce a new system midstory, like Haki, your top contenders are still top contenders. The only difficulty is that you have to stay faithful to the level of those top treaths and don't overcomplicate them.

    • @gktte2574
      @gktte2574 3 года назад +16

      nahhh

    • @alemdalendia
      @alemdalendia 3 года назад +9

      I dind’t agree, here in mycontry got a meme from one piece. Dont matter the threat, “zoro sole” (in the meaning, beat 1v1)
      Like, “omg someone beat luffy”
      “FODASE O ZORO SOLA”

    • @KingJinzo2125
      @KingJinzo2125 3 года назад +2

      I was bout to comment something similar to you lol

    • @gktte2574
      @gktte2574 3 года назад

      @@KingJinzo2125 no

    • @KingJinzo2125
      @KingJinzo2125 3 года назад +3

      @@gktte2574 yes

  • @ewag8950
    @ewag8950 3 года назад +245

    dragon ball and naruto are the biggest offenders of power creep

    • @indrickboreale7381
      @indrickboreale7381 3 года назад +34

      [clears throat] IT'S OVER 9000!

    • @KhaosAdmiral
      @KhaosAdmiral 3 года назад +61

      I'd argue that at least everything before Z was at least scaled generally pretty well all things considered.

    • @lordlopikong6940
      @lordlopikong6940 3 года назад +9

      No problem because they are OG shounen shows. The new shoes are the problem that's reusing it's concepts

    • @timetraveler5547
      @timetraveler5547 3 года назад +46

      Naruto definitely managed to keep a hold on power creep for most of the series. At least until the war arc then it just completely exploded. DragonBall definitely has power creep issues from the frieza saga onwards.

    • @bri1085
      @bri1085 3 года назад +4

      @@KhaosAdmiral Not really the Goku was made far too powerful by the second arc

  • @GabeDelaSoul
    @GabeDelaSoul 3 года назад +195

    The legend of Aang: A good person with bad skill learns how to continue to be good even in hardship, and develop skill.
    The legend of Kora: A bad person with great skill learns how to improve themselves even if pampered, and refine skill.
    It makes sense why people felt a certain disconnect with both series. They're totally reversed beats and arcs.

    • @The_Man_Who_Sold_the_World.
      @The_Man_Who_Sold_the_World. 3 года назад +6

      Korra isn't a bad person

    • @thesquishedelf1301
      @thesquishedelf1301 3 года назад +29

      @@The_Man_Who_Sold_the_World. oh, she is at the start of the show. Classic teen who is a bad person because fuck you, you can’t tell them what to do.

    • @runtergerutscht4401
      @runtergerutscht4401 3 года назад +76

      @@The_Man_Who_Sold_the_World. She wasn't evil but extremely reckless and overconfident. She fought triads (a good thing) but caused a crapload of collateral damage (a bad thing) and didn't even acknowledge the harm she caused (a really bad thing).
      These sort of things make up the first season.

    • @8bitdiedie
      @8bitdiedie 3 года назад +11

      Since when does Aang have bad skill? Maybe in other elements, but his airbending is bonkers.

    • @runtergerutscht4401
      @runtergerutscht4401 3 года назад +21

      @@8bitdiedie at the beginning of the series. Aang started off knowing only airbending, while Korra started her series not only as a skilled fighter but also proficient in 3 elements.

  • @GSlice37
    @GSlice37 3 года назад +2

    This is a great analysis, by how you relating bending to mental progression and outlook, you really show a deeper understanding of the storytelling

  • @onscreenmoper
    @onscreenmoper Год назад +3

    Another point is that DIO himself even says in Part 6 that there are no bad Stands, just bad situations to use them. That's why Part 5 has some of the best fights imo, we see Stand users put themselves in the most advantageous position before ambushing their opponents tactically.

  • @SirAlex0014
    @SirAlex0014 2 года назад +10

    This just reminds me that avatar was so well written and it ended exactly like the author wanted.

  • @thiago.leal17
    @thiago.leal17 3 года назад +24

    What's cool is that even by the end of part 7, where Johnny had one of the most powerful stands in the series, Diego(AU) still managed to defeat him with strategy and determination. This really shows how Araki still manages to keep the stakes high after all these years

    • @lain5858
      @lain5858 3 года назад

      GER, Made in Heaven and Wonder of U are still stronger than Tuska

    • @librask3009
      @librask3009 3 года назад +11

      @@lain5858 he said one of, not the strongest 🤦‍♂️

    • @lain5858
      @lain5858 3 года назад +1

      @@librask3009
      Ok then

    • @khangle6872
      @khangle6872 Год назад +1

      @@lain5858 Made in Heaven can be beaten by a kid. Also by a knife if Jolyne throw to his throat when he was swimming
      So no matter how powerful your stand are, the stakes still high

    • @lain5858
      @lain5858 Год назад +1

      @@khangle6872
      No. Made in heaven was beaten by Weather Report (one of the most broken stands).

  • @shadowborn2624
    @shadowborn2624 3 года назад +7

    Jojo's Bizarre Adventure the entire series is basically like playing a video game and its sequels

  • @PennyDaPancake
    @PennyDaPancake 2 года назад

    Bro these are two perfect examples. Avatar and Jojos were the two first anime I watched (yes I count avatar as an anime fight me) and I love that you used them for the video. Great content

  • @TrYzRAID
    @TrYzRAID 3 года назад

    Wow this is definitely one of the best put together RUclips videos on anime I've seen! Had me thinking constant

  • @mightybatillo
    @mightybatillo 3 года назад +65

    I disagree with the idea that the avatar state became more powerful by the end, Ang in the avatar state just used power equal to the threat level he was facing.

    • @kevind3974
      @kevind3974 3 года назад +11

      He also looses control some times. In a sense his avatar state is kinda like azulas final fight. It’s lacking that control and is in a rage. Their both vary powerful in this state but both azula and the avatar state works best in a controlled and precise measure not raging about.

    • @Birthday888
      @Birthday888 3 года назад +38

      @@kevind3974 Also, the Avatar State grants the user the knowledge and skill of all the past Avatars, but it doesn't make the user able to apply them in the best possible way. Like how Aang chose to freeze himself inside of an iceberg instead of simply water bending his way out. Aang's Avatar State is at its most powerful during his fight with Ozai because, at that point, Aang has mastered all four elements and is able to truly take advantage of the power that the Avatar State grants him.

  • @mainescapade
    @mainescapade 3 года назад +8

    Katara seemed to be the only one to suffer from power creep. She went through the 1st season slowly improving till she fights pakuu - suddenly she's bending ice disks and gliding all over the floor like a master.

    • @PaulPower4
      @PaulPower4 2 года назад +9

      Katara in S1 is an interesting one because it feels like a lot of the time the thing holding her back is overthinking and a lack of confidence - as early as The Kyoshi Warriors she does something pretty impressive when she drains Aang's lungs and saves him from drowning, but that's sort of the point - it's an emergency, she doesn't have time to think. But then in Jet she's doubting herself saying she hasn't bent water she can't see before when, y'know, she has. But when it's an emergency, or when she's angry (like, say, her fights with Jet and Pakku) her raw ability kicks in more. Actual training under a master helps her realise that she can be that strong all the time, but for both Katara and Sokka there's definitely a bit of a Wizard-of-Oz "turns out the thing you wanted was something you had all along" vibe going on.
      Although just on a general level her confidence does slowly increase over S1 - partly from the trust and teamwork she develops with Aang, partly from the overthinking playing to her advantage at times given that in the background she seems to be constantly practising, experimenting with and analysing waterbending. This analytical side probably helps her learn quickly from Pakku, and comes in to play in later seasons when she starts adapting techniques from other elements (the earthbending-style "block" in the fight with Hama, her "breath of steam" trick in her final fight with Azula, arguably the water column when she escapes with Aang at the end of S2 has a bit of airbending influence to it) or when she picks up on bloodbending very quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if, as Aang got increasingly good at waterbending, she spent a lot of her downtime watching Toph and, eventually, Zuko train Aang and taking notes.

  • @votch2798
    @votch2798 3 года назад +6

    "...without introducing a random power-up."
    Star Finger and So The World Is The Same Type of Stand As Star Platinum: "Am I a joke to you?"

    • @SnailSnail-lo4pm
      @SnailSnail-lo4pm 3 года назад +1

      The world is hinted to be similar to star platinum and he does have an A in development potential.

    • @milestone1719
      @milestone1719 3 года назад +2

      The D'arby brothers have the same type of stand ability!!!!
      DIO HAS JONATHAN'S BODY AND THE BODY WAS SENDING DISTRESS SIGNALS THUS AWAKENING THE STANDS OF EVERYONE THAT HAS JOESTAR BLOOD.
      THE WORLD AND STAR PLATINUM IS THE SAME TYPE OF STAND
      WATCH HAMON BEAT'S VIDEO ABOUT DEBUNKING ARAKI FORGOT FOR GOD SAKES

    • @votch2798
      @votch2798 3 года назад

      @@milestone1719 Joseph, Josuke, Giorno and Jolyne also have the same type of stand as The World.

    • @alfa01spotivo
      @alfa01spotivo 3 года назад

      i dont get this. SC and the World are both power type stands with close range

  • @ballincat34_
    @ballincat34_ 3 года назад +1

    I never thought I’d hear JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure and Avatar the Last Airbender in the same title.

  • @ARC--5973
    @ARC--5973 3 года назад +2

    Something else i love about the final Agni Kai and Zuko's progression is that during the fight, he using moves very reminiscent of the other elements, connecting back to what Iroh taught him

  • @majorghoul9017
    @majorghoul9017 2 года назад +6

    The only power creep you see in Jojo is often on the villains' side, like Kira and Pucci. But their opponents have more regular stands that require creativity to reach their fullest potential

  • @trulyinfamous16
    @trulyinfamous16 3 года назад +8

    2 REALLY well written series. REALLY well written analysis as well

    • @randomguy-yl2ml
      @randomguy-yl2ml 3 года назад +1

      To be honest jojo part 3 wasn't that good

    • @java1.130
      @java1.130 3 года назад +1

      @@randomguy-yl2ml Part 3 was pretty good but it's also my second to last favorite jojo part right after part 1

    • @Nepalien_
      @Nepalien_ 3 года назад

      @@java1.130 same lmao

    • @alfa01spotivo
      @alfa01spotivo 3 года назад +1

      @@randomguy-yl2ml it was that good. It had a really fun episodic style with an insanely likable main cast with great fights all the time and a great power system and an amazing ending

    • @synexiasaturnds727yearsago7
      @synexiasaturnds727yearsago7 2 года назад

      @@alfa01spotivo Jotaro in SC was meh, DiU really made him a better character

  • @s-wo8781
    @s-wo8781 3 года назад +8

    Kitara is the only one who instantly got a power jump. She learned bloodbending instantly.

    • @firstnamebunchofnumbers1543
      @firstnamebunchofnumbers1543 3 года назад

      Beeing fair, She did was victim of bloodbending minutes before, that might give her an idea of how bloodbending works.

    • @ΒίκτωρΚιρόσκα
      @ΒίκτωρΚιρόσκα 3 года назад +5

      @@firstnamebunchofnumbers1543 Not to mention factors like survival instinct kicking in and the fight or flight response. It has been shown in real life that under incredible pressure and stress humans can perform supernatural feats of strength and intelligence.
      My favorite example is that of a little girl getting trapped under car, where upon hearing her screams for help the father came out of the house and without thinking he leaped over her. And then he proceeds to lift the *3 metric fucking TON* vehicle while pulling her out.

    • @s-wo8781
      @s-wo8781 3 года назад +3

      @@firstnamebunchofnumbers1543 nah stop with the fair shit. It ain't fair.

    • @silversauceran
      @silversauceran 3 года назад +1

      @@s-wo8781 well it was only under a full moon though, too. she can't use it whenever.

  • @throughcloudedeyes7913
    @throughcloudedeyes7913 3 года назад +1

    Something about Avatar, the characters, the writing, everything… it just makes me so happy and brings a tear to my eye

  • @mangotango8115
    @mangotango8115 Год назад +1

    To add to Zuko learning that firebending comes from the breath, just as Azula charges up her lightning in their final fight, he literally prepares himself by taking a deep breath.

  • @ChefShallzy
    @ChefShallzy 3 года назад +3

    I think the best part of Zuko's apex was his implementation of the three other element styles in his firebending. Full acceptance of his Avatar-Roku lineage and the teachings of Iroh.

  • @deriznohappehquite
    @deriznohappehquite 3 года назад +3

    Star Platinum was always avid to stop time. Jotaro just wasn’t aware of it.

  • @seanv42
    @seanv42 3 года назад +13

    Zuko didn't beak azula because of skill. He beat her because he learned to open himself up and to allow people to help him. Azula was the strongest firebender aside from firelord, but zuko overcame her with the help of katara. The ability to trust others allowed zuko to overcome lonely strength.

  • @RoKrypto
    @RoKrypto 3 года назад +2

    Another Reason why Jojo is a great anime but people underestimate its greatness

  • @okularnik125
    @okularnik125 Год назад +1

    Meanville Jojo Part 5 has a stand than erases time, stand that says " no" to every possible Atack and Part 6 has stand that makes people very angry and etand that Accelater entire universe untill it reaches another Big Bang point

  • @peterbear4413
    @peterbear4413 3 года назад +3

    Regarding Zuko's power progression; pay close attention to his fighting style in the final Agni Kai against Azula. Not just the bending, but the physical movements of the martial arts that he uses. You'll observe that his style has evolved greatly. And I'm not just talking about 'oh he learned OG firebending from dragons'. He's learned from Team Avatar directly. The spinning kick he uses to deflect Azula's attack is a classic airbending move that Aang uses multiple times. And when he breaks another of Azula's attacks later, he does so with a powerful stomp into horse stance... earthbending. Even his ability to redirect lightning is, as his uncle clearly stated, a technique based on the philosophy of waterbending.
    In short, Zuko's power progression is almost identical to Aang's, the only difference being that Zuko, not being the one and only Avatar, can only ever bend one element, that being fire. But his application of the techniques and philosophy of the other four elements greatly influence *how* he uses his firebending, making him in a very literal sense 'Avatar Lite'. As Iroh says, and demonstrates, understanding others is the key to growing stronger.

  • @bacca4813
    @bacca4813 3 года назад +6

    10:47 Literally the only two stand users that you wouldn't be able to change the order of and have everything still work is the D'arby brothers.

  • @CalvinBloopers
    @CalvinBloopers 2 года назад +3

    Zuko realizing how powerful Katara is on the revenge episode was my favorite moment.

  • @finalcombat9036
    @finalcombat9036 3 года назад +2

    One of my favorite things about the Zuko vs Azula fight is that his stances resemble that of other elements as well though out the fight. When he parts the fire he takes a wide horse stance,something a rock bender would do, and when he redirects the lighting that was taught by his uncle,which is something he learn from how water benders bend

  • @SuperWolf165
    @SuperWolf165 Год назад

    You analysis of avatar is so spot on like the fact katara uses the breath of fire when fight azula in the last fight,this show was so intricate with the powers

  • @chocolatebar6785
    @chocolatebar6785 2 года назад +3

    1:22 sand, spirit, grass and lava bending rn:

  • @humblepotatoash5727
    @humblepotatoash5727 3 года назад +15

    Ah Yes, Jojo with its primary example of good power-scaling techniques "So it's the same kind of stand as Star Platinum"

    • @colmlooney5843
      @colmlooney5843 3 года назад +5

      I.thought the same way too. Its the only real stand-out fight where the audience is left scratching their head because jojo didn't actually use his current abilities to overcome dio, he's just given a new one. Most other fights use creative interpretation of a characters abilities, this ones just like, nah were not so different you and I...

    • @jsus159
      @jsus159 3 года назад

      @@colmlooney5843 Have you watched part 5 ending? It also happen there

    • @colmlooney5843
      @colmlooney5843 3 года назад +8

      @@jsus159 Yeah, i was just referencing part 3, as was done in the video. Atleast part 5's bs is explained, you touch this arrow, your stand goes super saiyan. Part 3 is just like "I also can do what you are doing"

    • @royplatt455
      @royplatt455 3 года назад +5

      @@colmlooney5843 interestingly, it's possibly foreshadowed slightly throughout the season. The drink and cigarette against D'arby and the bullets are good examples.

    • @yakobi8434
      @yakobi8434 3 года назад +1

      Part 3 deserves a redo. Someone should retell it with some added *explicit scenes of Star Platinum's abilities. Also trim some of the unnecessary fights in the beginning (or at least use the episodes to grow the Crusaders relationships more). Araki is a really good artist and writer but he just needs to clarify stuff.

  • @fireraid9173
    @fireraid9173 3 года назад +4

    I think part 4 had an interesting progression as well with kira, he was definitely powerful and ruthless on his own but when odds are stacked against him he reaches the bites the dust arc of part 4. It allows him an opportunity to actually pick off the main cast one by one and even when things flip on him he still had other tricks up his sleeve, which allowed him to force the playing field to his favor whereas at the beginning of the part he probably would have had his ass handed to him. The main cast generally stay the same but the villian changes to adapt and overcome, then nearly won. Part 5 did pretty good as well but it may not have been as good as part 3 and 4 in power progression being it was more instantaneous.

  • @jbrandonf
    @jbrandonf 2 месяца назад

    I love the fire dispersion of Azula's attack at 5:18 because it showed Zuko using an earth bending stance he incorporated into his own bending. Such an awesome scene.

  • @Starwing30
    @Starwing30 3 года назад +2

    I have a weird totally unrelated thank you, but thanks for understanding the legend if korra. No one seems to grasp that it’s about character growth. It still has it’s flaws sure (like the spirit bending mentioned), but it had to live up to AtLA.

  • @ghost_fueled_scarecrow
    @ghost_fueled_scarecrow 3 года назад +57

    Gotta love how there is not a single Jojo fan complaining in the comments but every single Avatar fan i screaming about some tiny-ass detail the guy got wrong

    • @an18yearoldmongolianguy
      @an18yearoldmongolianguy 3 года назад +25

      average ATLA hardcore fan vs average Jojo enthusiast

    • @komos3719
      @komos3719 3 года назад +15

      tbf a lot of JoJo's "rules" can be played pretty fast and loose.

    • @karbyboi8489
      @karbyboi8489 3 года назад +3

      I bet if he got something wrong about jojo this would’ve been a different story 🥱

    • @maarten9272
      @maarten9272 3 года назад +4

      I don't see many fans complaining about him but we do like to scream at The Legend of Korra.

    • @FilmGuy7000
      @FilmGuy7000 3 года назад

      @@maarten9272 We don't talk about that show.....

  • @zemmify1727
    @zemmify1727 3 года назад +3

    “JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure handles power creep perfectly.” Yeah it went from Sunlight magic to Restarting the fucking universe.

  • @AnaObscura
    @AnaObscura 3 года назад +6

    man im so dumb, i spent like 10 minutes trying to figure out where part 1 and 2 was at

  • @BANDIT-gp5ix
    @BANDIT-gp5ix 3 года назад

    i always took the sparky sparky boom man engagement for granted without realizing how deeply it demonstrated Aang's learning. great vid

  • @NoRegs30
    @NoRegs30 2 года назад +1

    I love how all points regarding Avatars power system are contradicted by Korra
    All of them