The 3 DAY Timing Chain Job On My CHEAP V6 Camaro Is DONE
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2020
- I bought my $4,000 2011 Chevy Camaro RS with failed timing chains. The 3.6L LLT V6 might make 300HP but it's notorious for timing chain failure. The sludge build up inside this engine probably contributed to the chain guides wearing out at only 128,000 miles. Replacing the chains is no small job but I do think it could be done in any home garage. Just take your time and use this video as a reference: • Melling Timing Kit for...
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Get the camaro w the 8 explosion holes
I have one of those, but it's the older 8 exploder and probably makes less power than this V6 😂
WatchJRGo thas crazy man rock on
Yea but if it was me? I might.... And I say might put an lf3 or lf4 in there there.. ever seen the specs of that crazy v6?. Holy chit the lf4 is crazy.. then modify it a little ... Gawd
How picking up ZL1 camaro for the channel?
@@WatchJRGo that V6 makes maybe 15 - 20 more HP at a very high rpm, and that old LT-1 makes a lot more torque at much more favorable rpms. I'll take the older V8 any day. Plus, they respond well to mods and they don't sludge up like this modern junk. I love the 90s LT-1! And then, that sound....... mmmmm
As a GM tech, one tip is that you want to pin the gas pedal to the floor and crank it before firing it up after doing timing chains. That disables the fuel injectors and prevents the engine from firing while still allowing the engine to build some oil pressure. Occasionally these 3.6L engines as well as the 2.4L engines will jump timing if you just fire them up immediately due to the lack of oil pressure present to back the newly installed spring assisted tensioners. The tensioners use a "locking/ratcheting" mechanism to hold tension, so after they have cycled oil pressure through them initially, they're good to go.
So basically press gas all the way down and start it up? Gotcha, thanks for the tip!
Thank you Eric for this input, I'm on my 3rd time timing chain on my Buick enclave and this was the perfect explanation that I have been looking for!
you do you mean "crank it"
Pedal to the floor makes the computer cut the injectors it’s a clear flood mode it does work
Meh it was just a timing job. It’ll be fine as long as you lubed up the chains and guides when you out everything back together
It's extremely nice of the Ninja to let you take up space in his shop!
He is probably paying for that.
Yeah, those chains would be an ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE on the floor of your garage at home. Bad enough in a shop.
@@jeffeastman625 This timing chain job is easy compared to some other GM products. Where you have to nearly disassemble the whole front of the vehicle like the GMC Canyon. ruclips.net/video/-dI2pSmMy8Q/видео.html
I'm still geeking out The Car Ninja and The Wizard are buds. We need a third channel Adventures of Ninja and Wizard. lol
Hosted by John Ross
I would definitely subscribe!
It sounds like a RPG game
@@oguzgonul2584 it basically is lol
D&D adventure lol.
D&D= Drag & Dyno
I'm loving this Camaro content way more than I thought I would. Also, would love a other boat rebuild.
Congratulations, your mullet is growing
Isn't everyone's? 😃
I freaking LOVE that Tyler is driving the Nissan Quest LOL
i love that van!
He loves that van. He did a video on it. 🤣
somene needs do a rear mount turbo kit on the van with NOS !.........................plz !
I own one, he won't keep it long. They are a pain in the rear doing timing chain and guides on them. I just did mine. Never again.
he is original
Last time I was this early, JR was still flipping old Accords ❤️
Both got V6s, but the accords were actually reliable haha
2:15 I hear Tyler's intro music playing 🤣
The Car Ninja and Mike were watching the trip video 💯
Good catch. Didn't get it until you mentioned it.
"This video is sponsored by 2 Chainz" LMAO
It’s 3 chainz
Hey I'm a mechanic and I'm impressed, THIS IS A VERY COMMON PROBLEM WITH THIS ENGINE AND IT IS STILL A 6 HOUR JOB, BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE PCV MOD CHEERS FROM OZ.
Wth is that
GOBBLESS BROTTDR
Does the 3.6 in the 2012 Malibu need the PCV update as well? I noticed his pickup screen was super clogged up. I bought my GF a 2012 3.6 Malibu last year with 50k on it for her daily and so far so good. Don't want her starving the engine tho if it has the same pickup screen design..
David Dawson
Even if the motor doesn’t screw up the transmission will go out. Sell it before 100K miles. Malibu’s and Impalas are junk.
Coupla ve commos aye?
There are dedicated bolt holes for removing the timing cover. No need to risk prying it off just screw two bolts in and the cover falls off.
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Hey JR did you by chance modify the PCV so this 3.6 doesn't sludge up again?
Just snagged a 2010 V6 with the LT package for 11k with only 74k miles 😉. I really dig it.
Hi guys. I just did one of these, complete timing set, the chains were absolutely stretched to the max, and ridiculously loose. The crank reluctor wheel had also slipped. So, I did a new crank, all new timing chain components, all new guides, chains, phazers, crank gear, crank idler gears, plus all new tensioners. Pulled left side head also, due to very low compression, middle cylinder. Found both intake valves both just slightly kissed enough to explain the very low compression in that cylinder. Put it all back together, and it's a sweet running car now. We just let the motor/transmission/front suspension, all out with the subframe, one nice complete unit. It's stupid easy to drop that drivetrain, as long as you have a lift, and a big metal table. I call mine the operating table. We had this last one, motor/trans/lower suspension/subframe, from pulling the running car in the shop, out, on the table, in slightly less than 45 minutes. That's with myself, and a guy that works for me doing it. Sweet car to work on.
A joint design and development with Holden here in Australia... JR we have hundreds of thousands of them on the road over here where they've proven to be ultra reliable when regularly serviced. We even exported them to SAAB for their high end models... You may need to drop the sump to clean the oil pickup screen given yours had so much sludge.....
Speaking of Saab, they had a really bad design with the pickup screen that would clog and starve oil back when GM started doing the OG 9³ / 9⁵ from 98 - 04 with the ecotech. They made a PCV update to fix them tho. Super easy fix but people pick them up dirt cheap, don't wanna maintain them and drive them into the ground. Kills me man.
@I Know Better people don't wanna spend the extra $10 for dexos during oil changes and this is what happens 😂😂😂 it blows my mind how people can just run their cars to the ground
@@_dmfd its not the real fix, they sludge up because of many reasons like extended oil change and the exhaust running right next to the sump which is made of really good heat conducting alloy, I still love saabs but...
they are a shit pile motor even when serviced as gm requires, you do the chains only to find you need to replace the cam phasers...
just burn it haha
@@ToasterCoasterAdventures yea thats what I was saying in my 2nd comment. People don't wanna maintain them, use proper oil etc and drive them to the ground. The PCV helps alot tho, I've owned many Saabs haha, cleaned many pickup screens 😂
That expression of joy and happiness when it all works when you turn the key :) Great job man! I'd love to tackle a timing chain job someday.
I loved the Camaro content. Seeing someone's disregarded mess get restored to running condition was really interesting. Definitely need something similar in the future.
That job looked very intense and took a lot of patience with time. Looking forward to seeing the headers installed and giving it a performance Tune. 🏁🏁🏁👍
Last time I was this early John was still waiting on the crank shaft for the john deere
All these car you tubers in Wichita, is this the heart of the Mid-America Car Mafia? Daddy Doug, the Don, runs the whole nation with Hoovie, Ed and Freddy running their own territories. Don’t know what their game is yet, but the investigation has just begun.
😂🤣
Oklahoma too
I'm an electrical engineer but I have to really focus to keep up in this tutorial. I'm not master automobile technician by any stretch of the imagination but I've learned a few tidbits from this session. It's a lot of fun and I thank you for the displaying a tiny fraction of your overall knowledge.
I heard a cam phaser raise hell on startup. Every 3.6 that I put chains in I ALWAYS replace all 4 phaser.
good job you dont want come back to that nightmare on engine lol
Had the same thoughts!
Best one armed mechanic on RUclips 👍
Loving this channel and how you're fixing and modding a V6 Camaro hope to see more performance mods to it!
Hooker exhaust, that’s the name on the box he pointed to
Currently under harsh lockdown in Australia.... Always look forward to the JR & Co. vids..... to brighten my day... Great to see the comradery with Hoovie....
Really enjoyed this EP, felt like I'd been waiting on the timing belt ep for ages. Keep it coming JR 💪💙
So happy to see the Camaro come back to life. Funny to hear Tyler say ‘it’s been a while since he’s been John Rossed’ 😂
Great video. Nice to see what that job entail and will be interesting to see if the check engine light goes away now.
Time to drop the pan n change oil pump n screen
Great job JR. I love your passion. Keep up the good work!
Watching because of my '11 Traverse with the same engine! I mean, I love JR's channel; just that I have that same engine and this job was done right before I bought it. Not sure if the PVC was done up, though. When John does his, I'll be taking notes!! Congrats on a well-done job.
That Milwaukee light is boss!
I'm super early, thanks for great content! Watching you makes me more adventurous when I'm fixing my cars! Thanks!
I love these videos at the Car Ninja's place. Great progress with the Camaro. I'd love to see you rebuild an RX-8 and flip it
Same!!!
The motor is so small. Should be easy??? I love the RX8 and those taillights.
RX-8 is on my list, and there are always tons of broken ones for sale 🤔
@@WatchJRGo Absolutely! A lot of demand for sorted examples
@@WatchJRGo My dad gave me his 2004 which is in need of a good tune-up and probably other RX8 things. It'll be great video material!
Great video very informative and great steps to cleaning and repairing. And fun times with Tyler
Awesome work John Ross , that was more complicated than it even sounded
No wonder they charge 6 hours . Whoever buys that car from you will be very
Lucky because its just like NEW . Thanks again for explaining process for all
Of your viewers to follow along please know it’s appreciated.
legit smile right after start up. Those success smiles!
I could watch JR GO for hours hands down the best RUclips channel ever.🇺🇲🇺🇲
I have been putting off doing the Timing job on my F150 and you just reminded me i need to get it done. I already got all the parts just need to find the time to get it done.
O'Reilly's manager: hey guys keep an eye on Jr we need to get the parts that he needs. 🤔😆
Hats off to the car ninja for letting you use his workshop. I somehow don't think the car wizard would have let you use his space.
You can bet there's a "deal" going on, no way a shop would "let" someone tie up a bay for that long for free.
Great job, JR! The car sounds pretty healthy now! 😁
Great series of vids. Luckily, the timing chain replacement was so intuitive. Kindofa job you do without reading the instructions and it comes out great.
I love that at 2:14 I can hear Hoovies Garage theme music in the background...the ultimate crossover channel.
We love torque settings! Always helpful! Thumbs up bud!
always good to see Jonny make an appearance
Welldone JR. The car sounds better and the engine ticks nicely.
4:10
'....a whole bunch of compression ... Spark Plugs are out'
Great set of videos! I'm sure it will help me when I go to do this on my 2012 Cadillac CTS Coupe!
Man I remember doing these all the time as a dealer tech. Gm tells you to set the left and primary chain then rotate the engine to do right chain. Cleaning everything was so satisfying to me
Hello Sir!! I did see the melling video where they did the whole job in stage one timing with the cam special tools locked in, was wondering your thoughts why that is wrong?
JR and Tyler compliment each other’s channels awesome again guys. Good job on the chain, camera off two hand job ehh lol 😂
I love this series glad you saved a Camaro. Hope to see more if it and your older LT1 Camaro
I was waiting for another upload so I decided to watch all his old videos and as soon as I saw him post, I clicked on the video as fast as you doing a flip on Honda’s and selling them lol
😉🍻
This is Brian. What a nightmare! And that huge timing chain cover. I'm glad I'm not doing it! Good work and thanks for sharing it.
I had a 2007 GMC Acadia ..... Same 3.6 motor.... Mine was rattling so I took it in then they told me I needed a timing chain.... And on the Acadia or any SUV you have to pull out the motor or drop it from the bottom to do it.... It seems that the 3.6 always has timing issues.... But I am surprised that they got rid of the 3800 motor.... I think that border was the best motor that Pontiac ever push out..... It was a very reliable engine..
Have done timing chains on that engine. Cam lock is not actually needed if you assemble chains in proper order and timing marks are followed on chains/gears. The cam phasers actually have a proper static position that once you know where they go, its super easy to reassemble.
Nice "Cake" Song reference.
Love Cake 🎧
I caught that title Intermediately! I have been binge watching 80's and 90's rock over the past couple of days. (not that I needed to be to get the reference) Maybe we will discover that Jerry was a race car driver.
Take my thumbs up for Cake
@@MrWoodyBalto Jerry was a race car driver, and he had a lot of fans that were blue collar tweekers.
Started signing the dong when i seen that. Cake is one of my favorite bands.
Watching you use that puller makes me think of the nightmare of Tyler’s BMW V8. What a difference!
Poor Car Ninja 🤣
If O’Reilly’s isn’t sponsoring you, they should be. Milwaukee too. You give those companies a LOT of love! Great work on the Camaro, that chain set is NOT EASY!
People!!! DONT buy a GM 3.6 V6!!!
The Wizard speaks Truth
Finally, someone here that knows what they are talking about. Those motors are complete utter garbage no matter how often you change the oil.
Yep. Never will or Chrisley goats too.
Don't buy any GM actually
Hey its not a bad. Engine. With some mods it can be reliable
You are a brave man for doing those chains 👌
Every time I see that guys super clean shop I think about cleaning mine.
this is waiting for me on my torrent 3.6. it's all disassembled already, it just needs my time... this is a very good refresh video for everything I've learned in theory so far. good channel!
for cleaning the surface I used the white disc instead of green, 100 grit instead of 80. it takes a bit longer but I believe it's more friendly for aluminum.
Hoovie’s Garage intro in the background? Awesome!
Cleaning is the most important part, I would not consider the time to do as important. You are doing the work yourself.You have one chance to make right.
Awesome job! Would love to see you keep it along with your 4th gen Camaro. 🍻🍻
"Smooth, quiet running engine". It sounds like a diesel !
Czechbound it sounded like three diesels before
No, sounds like a sewing machine.
Engines are often noisier on camera.
The direct injection for the fuel ticks like that on all the new gm cars
@@maxim430 This is true. Built in sound balancing, shadowing, and response amplification often makes things louder then they are in person.
Good job guys, boy that thing made some hellacious noises when it first lit off. I think it may have been better to crank without fuel until oil pressure was built up first. Get all those new parts nice and lubricated before actually lighting it off
I'm in love with the prowler.
Great work man love the details you give on point great videos
Way to go JR! Awesome job. Looking forward to next video on header install. You gonna throw on a cat back exhaust as well?
After watching, I bought that awesome Milwaukee MLW2125-21XC
That light is perfect but my Home Depot is always out of stock... guess I should just order it. 💯
Hitman: Been an ass for long?
"It's been a while since I've been John Rossed", Tyler Hoover 2020. Epic!
I have a 2016 GMC Canyon with the V6, apparently Accel coils aren't available for it... 😭 Too bad! Those are sweet!
I almost bought a 2011 Buick Lacross with a 3.6 new in 2010. Instead I bought an Impala with a 3.5, the 3.6 was so much more powerful and for a few years I thought I should have gotten a car with a 3.6, boy I am glad I did not. I am an old man and fast is not really important to me but I drive cars until they are well worn the 3.5 isn't fast but boy it lasts forever.
That timing cover is ridiculous! No... actually it is ludicrous!
Yeah, it was pain to clean too... scrubbed and scrubbed to get it right 😬
welcome to modern engines....the Ford 5.4 and 4.6 3V's are like that as well. Every double overhead cam engine is like that.
Seems wildly overcomplicated for what it has to do
@@kwinterburn yeah those push rods are waaay simpler, and car is more safe because less horse power. ;)
@@kwinterburn THAT is the problem with modern auto engineers. They think they are smarter than they really are.
Case in point: I think it is BMW who no longer put a dipstick in their engines to check oil level. Instead they use a complex sensor and the computer to monitor it.
Another example: Ford's IWE system in 2004 to 2010 F150's. The engineers decided "hey, let's engage the 4wd ALL the time, and use engine vacuum to DISengage it"
That's like having your bedroom light on ALL the time and you have to stand there and hold the switch OFF when you want to turn off the light. Brilliant? .......NO!
Done a great job John! So glad it started and ran so well but then I expected to if you did it lol
Nicely done JR.
This video is what sold me on that BG engine cleaner. That engine was sludged ridiculously.
You should have replaced the cam phasers.
yep, you do the chains only to find it cel codes because the phasers are rooted
@@ToasterCoasterAdventures should have gone for a reco motor full stop.
Good job man! This stuff is so inspirational. Also we have the same phone case.
so glad you finally fixed your audio lol
Nicely done, good job!
Now you have to get all the O'Riley guys in watch jr go tee shirts for a photo op.
Love the vids bro keep up the good work
Nice going JR! Sucks how so many people don't change their oil regularly...
You make repairs look fun.
My girlfriend's 2.4 Malibu snapped a timing guide at 60,000 miles. Car had been serviced somewhere between the "severe" and "normal" service schedules by me since it was purchased new. I used a Cloyes kit and fixed it. All new chains and guides. I had never attempted that kind of engine work before. Thousands of miles later, still good.
I didn't learn my lesson and bought a used 2013 Camaro LFX. I hope I don't have to fix the timing system, but I know I could do it. Thanks, JR.
Post back if you have problems, I've heard CLoyes are only slightly better than Dorman and Dorman sucks......
Toyota should buy your videos and play them on a loop in their customer lounges
I have loved watching this saga unfold. I am jelous of the $4,000 Camaro find. I am entirely dumbfounded by the variable timing. I have never seen one opened up before. It looks incredibly complicated, but also looks like GM did what they could to try and idiotproof it. I like it. Nice work. 130,000 miles was way too early to let a Camaro ride off into the sunset.
John, You've said it so many times now that...
We need a "Not like this" T-shirt now.
Great job!! Hope you can finish the grey ghost (Rolls Royce) soon!!
Nice work!
The 3.6L "Alloytech" V6 did more to help ruin GM's rep and push consumers to Ford & KIA/Hyundai.
Susan curran it would have happened anyway, the lack of oil changes just made it happen sooner.
@@EvilTurkeySlices Exactly..thats why every auto parts store nationwide has all the parts in stock to rebuild the 3.6..there was enough failures to force a recall
@Susan curranthere is an Aussie mechanic with a video here on RUclips that will show you the dumbsh@t engineering GM did that causes this. My wife's SUV crapped the rear chain at 77k. Always serviced, synthetic oil and good filters. GM warranted it by slapping in new chains and that was it. Within 50k miles, same service/care...same thing. Then I research it and found all kinds of info on the garbage PVC set up and how it ruins the one side. We flushed the living hell out of the motor, replaced the phasers, tensioners, guides, water pump, t-stat- anything consumable- and modified the PVC to vent/equalize the pressure for proper drain back. Change the oil ever 3,500 to 4K and never an issue again. GM does stupid S like this under the guise of "Cost savings," but in the end, pays more in recalls and shrinking market share...Korea & Japan are quite thankful for the market share. My wife will never buy another GM, she hopes they go broke after the debacle they sold us. Funny thing? She is a doctor and, if a brand or company treats her well, she sticks to it.
@@olikat8 you guys had the Ford Barra..one of the greatest inlines of all time.
Still looks easier than a 5.4l Triton timing chain
Great job ! Thanks for sharing. 👌🏻😊👍🏻
U learn something new from his show all the time
I like Johnny he seems like a cool guy hehe always smiling :)
Good job JR.
I'm glad some one took the time to fix a Six'r
You cannot beat the simplicity of an ole school pushrod engine with 1 timing chain👍🏾👍🏾prime example my 02 6.0 LS2 Silverado with 210k miles with the original timing chain and driven daily...
OH MY GOD TYLER IS DRVING THE QUEST. So damn funny, literally looks like a dad, taking his kid to school 😂