The Power of Beerus is Limitless!? FULL BREAKDOWN
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- STORIAVERSE: storiaverse.page.link/6FyB | Beerus broke the Dragon Ball Super power scale. Why Beerus Power Makes No Sense. Beerus Limitless Power Explained in Dragon Ball Super as we return to discuss Ultra Instinct Goku vs Beerus fight conversation from before with NEW evidence explaining Beerus' Power Creeps in DBS and a full analysis of Beerus strength in the series.
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The biggest problem with dragon ball fans is they continue (and for years now) believe that Goku is the only character that can get stronger. And that characters like Beerus are at a stand still power-wise. Did Frieza's ability to train and get stronger, not teach anything?
Ultra ego is basically that lol.
I mean, it's not really illogical for Beerus to be that strong, if you think about it. One thing to keep in mind is that Beerus is *ridiculously* ancient. He's a 200 million year old GoD who has been training with the most powerful being in U7 for much of his life-span, is significantly proficient in both UI and UE (UE in particular), and he has two comparatively powerful rivals in Champa and Quitela that he aims to keep up with. The guy is so old that multiple decades is a literal cat-nap to him, so imagine how many years of effort he puts in when he's training his ass off to make sure he remains one of the strongest GoDs in the cosmos. Hundreds of millennia worth of training probably feels like a couple of weeks to him. Frieza's rate-of-growth might be insane, but ten years of training is still comparatively nothing to someone as long-lived as Beerus.
I think the most Toriyama explanation for Beerus getting stronger is that he is training while he sleeps
mental image training? :D It worked for Freeza.
Makes more sense that he loses power when he takes long naps, hence why he was weak enough for God Goku to give him a challenge, but if he stays awake and trains a little bit he's closer to his true power which is above MUI Goku
Beerus was still waking up when he was fighting Goku
they SHOUDL say that!
@@Geekdom101 i can tell u wrote this in such excitement that u made spelling msitake
He will be stronger than goku untill the writers say otherwise 😂
I think an alternative theory that may explain everything is that Whis is using Goku (and Vegeta) to motivate Beerus to stay at the top of his game; to stop slacking and to continue to improve to stay ahead of Goku.
That's what I mean. Wheheheheheheeheeeee!!! Finally.. FUCKING. FINALLY! I'm not alone here!! MWEHEHEHEHEHEEE!!! Did you see how many people showed up on this one cat god's planet and wreck the place? Goku and Vegeta were tired from the previous battle against Gas, and being the oppertunistic little shit the tyrant is, Frieza took the oppertunity to score free hits on the people he hates the most. The gecko does NOT fight fair. Remember in Revival of F, he decided to nuke Earth anyway as he takes a page out of Dr. Wily's playbook. His final words in the super manga is "Don't come back!" so he's going to be training so no more freeloaders get the drop on the pussycat. Wheeheeheeeh...
I always thought Whis was training goku and vegeta to replace him and beerus eventually one day
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Makes the most sense to me.
The 6, 10, 15 power scale could be exponential like the Richter scale
I can agree with that.
Going by that 6, 10, 15 scale. The higher up, the higher the multiplier and more abstract the abilities.
6: 100 (0.1 godly power level)
7: 10,000x's multiplier (1)
8: 1,000,000x's multiplier (100)
9: 1,000,000,000x's multiplier (1,000)
10: 10,000,000,000,000x's (10,000 god tier power level)
This means goku, vegeta, frieza, gohan, broly and piccolo are between 7.4 (piccolo - superhero arc) and 8.5 (frieza highball 1000x's goku/vegeta - granolah arc)
Gogeta/vegito >= 9.2
@@Jiron127 That sounds true, since he's millions of years old and has trained for whis for that long of a period,
It makes perfect sense for Beerus to be really, really up the ladder. Given the escalation of power, the universe would be massive trouble if someone evil managed to defeat a god of destruction with no one alive to able to defeat such individuals
no, if jiren somehow end up evil and try to kill velmud he will give permision for the sexy angel to use her full power. it wont break the angel law. it is allowed that.
It doesn't because of that 70% of power that Beerus was stated to have used. It doesn't also make sense anymore that Beerus was even interested in fighting a SSJ God, like it can rival him if forms that are much stronger isn't enough.
No it doesn't make sense sht makes no type of sense
@@nauticaxo1idiot
I imagine it's a similar situation to Frieza in dbz where Beerus has to always restrict his power otherwise he'll risk destroying everything around him. Beerus in base form can already destroy a universe with his pinky finger alone so imagine what his true power would be like.
An in universe explanation as to why the goal post keeps moving might be him training off screen.
Not even off screen anymore, we’re told ultra ego grows limitlessly and that vegetas ultra ego amp is weaker than beerus’s, and we see beerus go to train, literally right as vegeta asks him to teach it to him.
A time room to train off screen for a few days in the main timeline to brush his skills
I wish they would come out and say it.
MUI Goku in the ToP Surpassed Beerus, and this put him off edge, so he went into hardcore training and rose up even beyond Black Frieza.
I could buy that Beerus has extremely good training DNA, like Frieza.
But they can't even come out and say that Goku at one point surpassed Beerus.
Why can't the writing be clear and honest?
The cat is always sleeping off screen lol
I agree, people keep forgetting that Beerus can continue to get stronger as well as he trains off screen with Whis. That oracle fish warned Beerus I think and I can see Beerus listening and making sure he keeps training offscreen. Also I think there's a time chamber where Beerus could train with Whis.
People also seem to forget that at one point beerus mentioned that in order to neutralise the stalemate between himself and goku in space he says to goku that it required a 100% power up to neutralise. To me that says alot that actually beerus full power was required to not only neutralise the shockwave’s of their attacks, but if goku fully mastered and was competent in the god form at that point i truly think beerus would of had to go to town on goku to beat his ass down.
BUT they switched it ! They made beersus stronger for the show gooi should've passed or been on par by now
Beerus was lying about his power the whole time to keep goku motivated to keep fighting harder and getting stronger
@@unbeatable750 not in the beginning he wasn’t until they started fighting for real when goku was in the god form beerus generally was prepared to destroy earth unless anyone could match him. The only reason he hasn’t beaten gokus ass to oblivion is cos he knows one day goku will rival him and i believe that day is getting close. However we also have another factor to put into this equation and that is the combination of gogeta
The fact that black frieza isn't above beerus is the one thing that gets me, gave goku and vegeta the business AT THE SAME TIME, one shot, at the same time
We don’t know if Freeza has surpassed Beerus or not.
@@blaketindle4703he hasn't Goku and Vegeta never shown concern for Beerus safety they literally brought Broly to Beerus planet to keep him safe from Freeza.
Yep
@@blaketindle4703 Geekdom brought up in this video that it had been stated that he hasn't.
A Goku and Vegeta that was burned out from fighting Gas.
Beerus will eventually show a combined use of mastered ultra instinct/mastered ultra ego used simultaneously. A feat truly befitting a true god of destruction.
Who’s to say that Beerus isn’t training off screen with Whis, and his race grows in strength faster than any other?
That’s the only way it’d make sense that he’s still more powerful than Goku!
@@blaketindle4703Or the Beerus is millions of years old that could not possibly have anything to do with it.
@@blaketindle4703No it wouldn't it's crazy how much fans who supposedly follow this series don't even have all the information that was given. Beerus has Ultra Ego the technique of the Gods of Destruction and he doesn't train the most he does is exercise.
He has no limit to how strong he can become and thanks to Ultra Ego he gets stronger and stronger which is why he still is above Goku and the others.
@@GodslayerSeiya Don't forget in the manga he used UI
@@RonellTKE Yes he did but his is imperfect and he most likely won't ever get it like Whis or even Merus UI. But with that in his arsenal that's even more why he is still above the others.
Where it gets interesting is that if and when we get an anime adaptation of Moro, Granola, Super Hero expanded, and beyond what they do. My assumption is that they will ignore all previous anime statements and follow the manga’s scaling. I the literal stories would not make sense otherwise.
The anime scale and the manga scale in the tournament of power did not have the concept of Ultra ego in mind which is why it makes sense that UI Goku surpassed the Gods of Destruction in both the anime and the Manga. The Manga revealed Ultra Ego which lets the Gods of Destruction increase in power the more they think about Destruction which is why it makes sense that Vegeta hasn't caught up to Beerus same with Goku. Since they haven't mastered UI/UE to the degree that Beerus has mastered his own UE power up.
@@ACertainMan I mean that could be head canon if you want.
I just hope who ever is next in charge of Dragon ball doesn't disrespect the work and doesn't change the story line of Dragon ball or what Akira toriyama was doing.
His power may be limitless but his skills aren’t. The fact that he hasn’t mastered ultra instinct will play a major role in his development going ahead. Mark my words.
Whis: "Even lord Beerus hasn't mastered it"
Beerus: Lemme forget about UI.
Ultra Instinct isn't the only technique of the Gods
Soo limitless to the point the goal posts keeps moving up because there's no way in hell you're trying to tell me that black frieza is still far below him smfh 🤦
Beerus bend frieza over like paper
I like how whis states specifically “A GOD OF DESTRUCTION.” He never says Gods of destruction or the destroyers. So my take is that jiren is just the benchmark for the universes standard or peak during the TOP. I think beerus would still wash him.
I mainly took it that Jiren is stronger than the GOD of his universe. Not that he is stronger than all of them.
@@DarkCurowTell that to Geekodom and his kindergarten LOGIC
They were talking about Toppo@@DarkCurow
Broly movie Guide says that UI Goku EXCEEDED the Gods of Destruction, plural. Goku says Broly is probably stronger than Beerus and he saw Beerus go all out against Champa several times.
Want manga? The Manga showed that Beerus at full power isn't astronomically stronger than the other Gods of Destruction, and Goku saw that power, Goku gets massively stronger each arc, it is a moving goal post.
Hope you enjoying the birthday weekend so far. Appreciate you still dropping some content for us to enjoy in the community.
I remember beerus fighting his brother in the anime and destroying a bunch of crap And that being said he hasn't completed a transformation meaning he's not a moving goal Post. He still has potential to grow naturally, just like all of our other characters.
Beerus being stronger is not bizare. He is the strongest God of Destruction, Jiren being stronger than his GOD Belmod do not mean that he his stronger than every GOD since they don't have all the same level. Also, when Beerus was training Vegeta to learn Akkai he told him that vegeta was still million years from being able reach his power. Maybe Beerus exist since extremely long time and trained so much that not even a Genius like Frieza can reach all his years of Training in just 10 years.
Happy birthday danny. Great video like always 💪🏾💯 keep it up😂
I think Beerus has nearly limitless power due to the Hakai technique.
He explained to Vegeta that destruction, even on a small scale, releases a lot of energy.
This could allow him to potentially convert all the total energy contained in his respective universe into personal power.
His ability to destroy is literally what fules him.
He could have been using 70% of his current STORED energy to fight Goku while not even flexing his true potential. Especially after all the napping and resting he does.
He's kinda lazy so he's just running the universe on a quarter tank of gas sometimes.
They could easily explain away the whole 70% of Beerus’ power thing by just saying Whis was fibbing to inspire Goku to train.
Whis never said the 70% thing to Goku and Vegeta. He was just talking to Beerus. So we definitely know he was being truthful.
lol idk if i like whis and beerus telling fibs tho...
especially whis. he has a reputation to uphold.
Could be 70% of a heavily suppressed form. If that makes sense. Not once did we see Beerus actually "power up"
People act like nobody except the saiyans can get stronger with time.
"Mortals should never surpass gods". That is something Zamasu would say
Did Geekdom say this? Mortals have been surpassing Gods since the end of the original DB. If Kami actually was a God. But definitely going into Z, then.
@@j04370859Kami is the god of earth, King Kai is the northern Kai of the afterlife, Southern Kai, Grand Kai’s, Supreme Kai’s…
God’s have been surpassed since late Dragon ball.
There are levels to power but all of the G.O.D.’s as shown are at least somewhat relative to eachother, each holding their own unique abilities that they hone and specialize in.
It isn’t unheard of or unrealistic.
Zamasu would hate Jiren then
@@jaylingraves8800 but yet be so obsessed with Jiren he would use the super dragon balls to switch minds and bodies with Jiren😁
@@joshualowe959 right 😂😂😂
Funny thing is, I think the anime actually stayed consistent with Beerus's power, while the manga kept upscaling and retconing him.
Still remember when he was called Bills. Time flies.
He is still called bills
His name is Beerus
@@el_felkx8822 bills too
@@el_felkx8822No shit. He clearly said his name was Bills originally. 😂
BILLS BILLS BILLS
Wanna know how you can make the BOG scale work? Make it just like the Richter scale where every number you go up is 10x stronger than the prior number.
Two things about the anime Tournament of Power:
1. Beerus's unease is likely him thinking about his survival rather than his own strength. If his own fighters don't match up to Jiren, Universe 7 is toast
2. I remember Whis saying something to the effect that even Beerus has difficulty mastering UI. So, regardless of strength, Goku is knocking on Beerus's door when it comes to technique.
The stronger Beerus is, the less sense Battle Of Gods makes in retrospect. It more and more seems that the red haired SSG shouldn't have been a blip on his radar.
Then why is he shocked about Goku using Kaioken? He broke a sweat on Kaiokenx2 Goku, what do you think X10 or x20 would do? Make him shit his pants? Add a spirit bomb on top of all of that
Love your videos! Thanks For this 😊😊😊❤❤❤
These transformations are literally multipliers. That statement alone disproves the whole 6, 10, 15 comparison. Previous multipliers have been as large as 40x canonically, I can’t even begin to fathom the depth of these current gen transformations.
This has been a big issue that I've had with Super lately. I feel like they need to steer away from power ups for a bit. They just keep raising the bar. They are already at universal god tier power levels. It makes it hard to keep coming up with new villains when our heroes are basically gods. That and it feels super cheap to me when they power up the other heroes like Piccolo and Gohan to be close to Goku and Vegeta. I'm not a big fan of Gohan's beast form because it feels so unearned. I get that Gohan has potential to be stronger than Goku but come on... Gohan went from Buu saga strength to God tier Ultra Instinct level strength in 1 movie. The power scaling has gotten too all over the place for me lately.
It's never going to happen. Why can't people fathom this?
Beerus is never going to be surpassed by Goku
Yes he will
They write Beerus like Yujiro Hanma. As new fighters come and main characters keep getting stronger so does he by an extreme amount
One of the defining moments that you failed to mention that illustrates Beerus' unrealistic strength is when he dawg walked Vegeta Blue. That was when I gave up and realized that his strength will just continue fluctuating.
this was a very well put together video, thank you GeekDom
You didn’t watch the video wtf
@@GuyVick yes i did bro
@@TheLightingDrone dude when you posted the comment it said 1 minute ago … there’s no way you could of watched a 28 minute vid that fast
@@GuyVickbro trust me i watched it, geekdom did a great job explaining everything
@@TheLightingDrone lol ok
BEERUS IS A GOD OF DESTRUCTION! A literal GOD. Goku doesn’t need to/or should surpass him because some powers should be immeasurable and just unattainable.
Goku has grown tremendously and Beerus has given Goku reason to keep pushing his limits because there are many other universes and powers far beyond his. Beerus and the GoDs of destruction should be overpowered because they are what maintains the balance in their universes, they alone should have no equal because otherwise Gods of destruction would have no purpose if they can’t be the ones to shut down potential threats to their universe.
People need to let beerus rule and Goku take a back seat to the king.
"My mind is always on destruction so my power is limitless" this is literally what beerus told vegeta at the start of granola arc.
Ubiquitous instinct would be a dope name for the state of Angels mastery of it ngl, great vid 👍
It does make sense if beerus has been training. Also beerus said "My mind is always on destruction. That's why their no limit to my power" so it's basically like he has and endless well he can tap into when needed
With the potential Frieza arc, I'm eager for Frieza to enter a state of "Fuck Around and Find Out" when he gets arrogant enough to challenge Beerus and a VERY SCARY team of saiyans at full power.
@@Gaia_BentosZX5 Frieza still can't touch beerus
That's not what he said or meant he is saying there is no limit to a God of Destructions power because of Ultra Ego can continue to make them stronger based on their instincts.
Beerus' power is so limitless, they have the writers moving the goalpost so he'll always be stronger than Goku.
The story is over if they write Goku as the strongest ever. To keep things interesting, there always needs to be a goal to reach.
Salad Saiyan I think recently did this topic, noting that if you seperate anime, manga and BoG movie each continuity is pretty consistent. It's worth a watch even if you don't agree.
Anyhow to reiterate, I rationalize this as Beerus still not using True Ultra Ego. So Freeza and Goku may be as strong/stronger as non-UE Beerus. Considering the crazy boost it gives Vegeta it will boost Beerus to incomprehensible levels.
I think “Innate Ultra Instinct” would be a cool name for Goku having UI in his natural state.
We live in an era in which Saitama is actually pushed to break his limit, whereas Beerus likely one taps Frieza still.
That fodder caped baldhead is weak. even dbs krillin or yamcha solos all opm characters.
I think when Beerus reacting to jiren his nervousness was due to the fact that they could've lost and been erased if he kept getting stronger.
I still want a movie dedicated to the origins of beerus. I can only dream of this happening.
I think a TV special abt Beerus is perfect!!!!
@@Spoty456 definitely
Why didn't you mention the OG goal post? The farmer with a shotgun!
Another great Video By Big D
a good panel from the manga is in the moro arc. before beerus got summoned away he said he was going to take care of moro quickly and seemed but worried at all
I think a good work around to this would be if it gets revealed that Beerus both as a G.O.D and his Species in general. Gets stronger every time he naps. I would actually be pretty OK with that
I've been thinking this too, since he's always napping. He's old as hell! It could make sense that he figured out a way to train while he sleeps.
@@donsindrum theres some evidence of that for sure since he nearly deleted them when he was sleeping & they were trying too change his sheets
I think in actuality Goku did surpass beerus in top arc when he got mui and it's simply because of the way beerus reacted. He was genuinely scared and fearful and knew himself that goku surpassed him but the writers have now changed it to the never ending goal post and changed the truth to make beerus stronger
TBH I think when it was stated “in the Anime” that Jiren is stronger than a G.O.D! I think they were REALLY TALKING ABOUT TOPPO!
(In my opinion!) which also makes sense because it was made clear toppo was training for awhile to be the next G.O.D! & even TOPPO told Goku After the Pre-T.O.P Exhibition
That he couldn’t beat Jiren! < Hense maybe the other Universes & even whis got word of this!
Idk just a thought I’ve had for a while! Only thing that seems logical •Also Let Me Add•
Even Vegeta SSBlue Evolution Defeated
Toppo “In God of Destruction form!” Lol
So Does this Also Make him a Mortal that
Even A Universe’s God Of Destruction
Cannot Defeat???🤷🏽♂️ therefore Both
Really Vegeta & Goku “Obviously” &
“Especially At that time!” Goku with
Mastered Ultra Instinct or just U.i. Was
Stronger than Toppo in his God Form!
So this technically means “heck” I think
Even Golden Frieza because even Frieza
When it was just 17! Goku & Him left!
For a sec Frieza was holding his own
Against Jiren! Even tho Jiren was kinda
Mentally jacked up from “loosing to Goku”
Before Toppo’s little motivational speech!
But Jiren still was stronger than Toppo
Regardless at this point in the fight!!
But Anywho… I’m Ranting & yess I know
Toppo Realistically in GOD form would
Punish Golden Frieza lol “At the time!”
But for sure we can say for certain!
Goku & Vegeta are stronger than a
Universe’s God of Destruction!!! Sooo…
That whole Jiren line is kinda like… ehhh🤷🏽♂️
Happy birthday man
The only way that the moving goal post that is Beerus can possibly still be stronger than Black Frieza is if Beerus is training off screen in secret so as to not get surpassed.
idc if it's a hot take, I want beerus to actually be a shifting goal post. Goku and vegeta barely got a hold of god ki and have handled the power superbly however I like the fact that beerus as of right now is a shifting goal post and I wouldn't complain if goku and vegeta went for a rematch and either lose or barely scrape by and win either way beerus is one of my fav DB characters so I hope he stays strong and relevant for a while longer.
I can honestly see Beerus training in secret that’s why it seems like no matter how many forms Goku gets Beerus seems to keep being a moving goal post
Training in secret makes sense for Beerus since he’s too prideful to admit when someone is stronger than him or approaching his level. He will never admit that he’s been training to stay on top of Goku outright bc admitting that would be indirectly admitting that Goku is approaching his level/surpassing him
Beerus “True” strength is still unknown bc yeah Jiren was stated to be the mortal who surpassed the Gods and MUI Goku was stronger than him but that doesn’t mean they’re stronger than Beerus. Beerus seems to be in a tier of his own, not on the level of angels but above his fellow G.O.D’s.
Honestly if they were going to continue to have him in the story they should’ve just let his true power be vague instead of giving us the number chart and stuff
The story would make more sense if they never gave goku ui early. The pride troopers were good guys and should have probably just won and wished everyone back. Jiren could have been like a fun movie fight vs broly as a nice return in the future.
Everybody forgets that Goku has to "transform" or use "stamina" to achieve these these levels of power where beings like Beerus & Jiren just ARE that powerful, they don't have to do a lot "powering up" to max level like Frieza used to do toying with the Z-Fighters. There is no denying base Goku has gotten very strong, even stronger than he was but his base form isn't on Beerus or Jiren's power-technique level and he can't maintain a transformation forever so while some people may dispute Goku might be stronger than Beerus at Goku's peak, Goku simply cannot 'maintain' that peak level of power where Beerus and Jiren could with ease.
Question do you you think Goku's from other continues has surpassed Berus like DB Heroes Super Goku who had trained with the Great Priest/Xeno Goku, or Other Gokus from maybe the games?
Frieza wants to take Beerus out. Hence, Black Frieza. We are going to see Beerus’s power when Frieza shows up, guarantee it.
The goal post seems to keep moving because the writers are indecisive on how strong Beerus should be for the storyline! The same goes for all the characters in super, the power levels just do not match up to how strong they actually should be! Basically what geekdom said.
Goku and Vegeta now with their ultra forms should be on par with Beerus; Weiss states that beerus never master UI, but again this has probably been retconned.
This is probably me grasping at straws here too but honestly even though we haven't really seen it I'm sure beerus is training in the background. Especially after the tournament of power and watching goku, a mortal, attain the power of UI.
( Disclaimer: I am NOT some diehard fan who has been a hardcore about the series since the early days. I didn't grow up with cable television or internet access as a kid so I got into Dragon Ball very late in my middle school years. But have read/watched all of OG Dragon Ball, DBZ/Kai, GT, Super, and most movies)
Seeing Goku climb to new heights is always a hype factor. However I do feel that it would be cool if there are just some characters that Goku will never be able to surpass.
Not only for the sake of variety and keeping things interesting, but it would also further prove the point of Master Roshi: "There's ALWAYS someone better then you."
I really feel that Goku always trying to improve and striving to do better all the while never truly reaching Peak Perfection or reaching the absolute top 1% BEST would sort of be backwards for the character in a way. Sure, Goku would probably never stop training until the day he finally dies...err again. 😂
But having him reached the absolute pinnacle? I don't know it just feels like he would lose a purpose after that.
( Goku himself in terms of the writing not in terms of the character itself )
Sorry this is long, I just was trying to explain it as clearly as I could.
My headcanon is that every time Goku or Vegeta does something extraordinary in the climax of an arc. Beerus just secretly trains at the end, and in the begining of the next arc just continues to flaunt his superiority.
For one reason Beerus is still prideful, he doesn't want to be surpassed that easily despite admiring the growth Goku and Vegeta have made.
But also could be motivation for the Saiyans part. Kind of like what he did with Monaka to keep up their motivation, if they believe they don't have much of a goal to reach maybe they'll slow down if they realized they surpassed Beerus.
Also it could make a fun gag for Whis to call Beerus out on that his 'Nap Time' really was his training time.
Like I don't whole heartedly believe that, but I could easily see it being played off as a gag if true.
Beerus training off screen is the only way this makes any sense.
Beerus is as powerful as the plot makes him Goku was fighting on par with him since SSGod since then Goku achieved SSgodblue, stacked kaioken on top of SS godblue and Mastered UI and Beerus is still more powerful??
Why do some fans assume that if Goku and others can get stronger, that Beerus can't. Half of this video that discussed that assumption by fans, was unnecessary and pointless and could have been edited out. They seem to think Beerus is at some sort of max limit so it's a matter of others "catching up" to Beerus. In the Dragonball universe, that makes zero sense.
As we saw with Jiren, getting stronger isn't limited to just punching or physical exertion. When at that high of a level, there's probably a limit to what physical exertion can do and mental and ki control are probably more important.
Because Beerus is always sitting on his ass. If it's revealed that he's secretly been training, this would make more sense. But if he hasn't, then yeah, the more Goku gets stronger, the more they retcon and upscale Beerus.
I remember over a decade when Battle of Gods was released. It always bothered me how Super Saiyan God never got the job done against beerus little do we know that it wasnt the problem due to them making Beerus a goalpost and raising his power to unknown bounds. No complaints just pointing out we might be getting closer to beerus getting surpassed soon especially with Black Frieza's debut
I sometimes think he'll never be surpassed.
Although I tend to ignore "Official" statements about X character's power made by marketing-minded individuals because they're just trying to drum up hype.
I suppose if the old 6 - 10 - 15 scale were converted to a tier system, it might still be applicable, though its a stretch.
Toriyama had said back in 2015 that he had no plans on Goku and Vegeta surpassing Beerus, but he should've made that happen at some point, because yeah, the more Super goes on and Goku gets stronger, the more stupid that 70% number was said. This should've came to a close in the Moro arc. I mean, why was Beerus even interested in a SSJ God anyway, looking back on it now? The only way to fix this is to say Beerus isn't coming out about them surpassing him, so they won't lose their motivation to train or Beerus has been secretly training.
folks really don't think he's still training and getting stronger.. just like the saiyans. He has never been stated to have any limits, and his potential can be even better than Friezas whi knows. He has whis as his personal attendant and can be trained at a much gnarlier rate than the mortals.
I think they made only mistake is by giving that 70% line in movie. But We will get all the answers regarding beerus's full power as there is only 1 year left in super and end of Z and I think they will answer all question in black frieza arc of dragon ball super.
They'll just use the Frieza trope--"no one knew it but Whis but Beerus was training all along".
16:33 OK at this point I have to keep you accurate it’s just a small point of wording. Whis actually said “I have heard of a universe that has produced immortal that surpasses his own destroyer.” so he at least surpasses Belmont.
8:25 No, since the 6, 10, 15 scale was to compare them to each other, it makes the most sense (especially with Whis' claim that Beerus was using nearly 70% of his power) that Goku was at around 60% of Beerus' maximum. In which case, if we use that scale, Super Saiyan Blue puts Goku at 300 to Beerus' 10. He's 30 times stronger, comparatively. Of course, we know he's not, but this scale was meant as a direct and uncomplicated comparison back when Toriyama hadn't planned on anything more than that movie. It makes no sense to think of Super Saiyan Blue as bringing Goku up to 6.5, comparatively. The numbers were not intended as vast thresholds of power, it was intended as direct power scaling to compare them relative to each other. They are not power levels themselves as you can't use them to determine how powerful they actually are, but they are representing power levels relative to each other. Anything else is BS that people make up in order to hold onto them and keep them true. They are not true. Throw those numbers out.
10:38 In theory, if we're using BASIC logic, Goku would not be at a 12 because, again, using BASIC logic, the 6, 10, 15 power scale was relative power to each other, putting Goku at 60% of Beerus. So, using BASIC logic, SS Blue Kaioken Goku, assuming he didn't gain any more strength in base, would now be at least 600 and, if it's x20 kaioken, he would be at 6,000. Again, throw out that 6. 10, 15 scale. It's not relevant anymore, hasn't been for a long time. Stop trying to save it. It was never meant to be used the way you're trying to use it. They are not orders of magnitude or anything else like that, it's a direct power comparison that only applied until they decided to make more and needed Beerus to still be stronger.
10:53 Thank you! Yes, that power scale stopped applying when the story left Battle of Gods. If even your attempts to make it into what it isn't are starting to break down, can we also agree that it never scaled the way you were stating here in the first place, now that it has become useless? I mean, to be fair, you can probably still use it to compare Beerus to Whis, but not to compare either of them to Goku.
11:04 We don't need exact numbers because they are percentages. They are exact numbers to each other. In any case, exact numbers of what? Consider actual power levels. Take that farmer who had a power level of 5. 5 what? What does that 5 represent? What does a power level of 1 represent? The turtle had a power level of 0.001. What is it tracking? It's as exact as the 6, 10, 15 scale. These numbers, in both cases, are only used to compare characters to each other in terms of power. They don't actually measure anything else beyond that. So, in truth, Kaioken can be used with those numbers. I proved it a couple paragraphs ago. The only way we could even hope to hold onto that 6, 10, 15 scale is if Beerus can use Ultra Instict in the basic form, and that 10 is only his base power's maximum. We don't know what kind of multiplier Ultra Instinct gives you, after all.
16:05 It's pretty clear what they meant. It certainly doesn't mean that only some of the gods of destruction can't beat him, because they would have said that. They said not even a god of destruction can beat him. Now, the gods of destruction clearly have no set level of power, but they all seem to be stronger than most mortals, so they definitely have a bare minimum power qualification, but beyond that they seem to be at different levels from each other, possibly with Beerus as one of, if not the, strongest. We didn't know this at the time, but it is possible for mortals to beat destruction energy as Vegeta proved, and Vegeta managed to beat Topo after Topo was granted the power of a god of destruction. So you could say that the tournament gave birth to at least two more mortals who gods of destruction cannot beat. Regardless, what they mean is that his power is such that he can at least hold his own against any one god of destruction without falling and he cannot be destroyed by destruction energy. Possibly Beerus can still beat him with his Ultra Instinct power.
19:31 We can still accept this scene as Beerus being shocked (and probably a little intimidated) that a mortal possesses so much power, but not scared yet. It would be like if you were to see a kid lifting more than adults could lift, but you are a world class body builder. You would be shocked at the kid's current strength, maybe scared to think of what might be possible with this kid in the future, but you can still win against him right now.
20:01 Exactly.
20:38 At this point? You're funny.
21:00 Probably, but since Beerus also knows a basic form of Ultra Instinct, it could be possible that Beerus can still beat Goku if he uses that. We're talking about Goku using this power from his starting point Vs. Beerus using it from his own starting point. Even if we have no idea how much power this from grants them, we can assume that it gives them a similar power boost to where they're currently at. So, if Goku using his basic Ultra Instinct without the silver hair is still weaker than Beerus, then it would take his completed Ultra Instict to push Beerus to his basic Ultra Instinct form, and he'd be massively stronger than Goku again. Beerus would still be shook by Goku's power and showing respect toward him, but math doesn't lie. He'd still be stronger than Goku. However, this would be the kind of jump in power for Goku that would make Beerus genuinely worry because, given what Goku has accomplished so far, it doesn't take much imagination to see that Goku is only one breakthrough away from overpowering Beerus at this point, and Beerus would know that. If Goku is able to combine Kaioken or Super Saiyan or even God Ki with Ultra Instinct, then it's over for Beerus, or even if he finds a higher level of Ultra Instinct as Whis talks about.
23:35 Right there. Now it can be logically argued that Goku is as strong as or stronger than beerus.
24:25 Well, of course they're not planning this out. That much was obvious from the very beginning of Dragon Ball.
24:38 I don't think the power of Ultra Instinct has been retconned at all. Goku just keeps getting stronger and fighting stronger opponents. The story is what is getting retconned.
25:03 Okay, if Black Freeza is stronger than True Ultra Instinct Goku, but still weaker than Beerus, then that pushes Beerus up even higher in power than previously thought. However, if the statement is that he's still not as strong as a god of destruction, then that's a different story. That retcons Jiren as being stronger than gods of destruction and turns that whole thing into the 6, 10, 15 power scale, something that we should ignore and throw out. Just Beerus being stronger still is acceptable, though.
25:51 I will agree to that. If Goku didn't surpass Jiren in the manga, and we all agree that maybe Beerus was the one god of destruction who was still stronger than Jiren, then we can more easily see how beerus can be stronger than Black Freeza in the manga and not retcon anything.
27:43 Even if we put Beerus as using only 10% of his power against God Goku in Battle of Gods, it still would mean that Goku easily surpassed Beerus' best a long time ago when he learned SS Blue, and any Ultra Instinct that Beerus had shortly after with Kaioken or his own Ultra Instinct. Let's stop referring to that 6, 10, 15 power scale, please. Once again, it stopped applying once they went past Battle of Gods.
Here's a wild thought, though. Suppose Beerus is also getting stronger? Maybe not as fast as Goku is, but if he's getting stronger still, that might handle the moving goalpost thing as long as we accept that he started off a lot stronger than originally stated.
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Love your videos. Hot take: goku was 6-7 & beerus was a 10 so ssb goku with the 50x powerup makes him 30-35 times stronger than beerus. Anything else is cap
Doesn't Beerus have Ultra Ego? He's the one who basically taught it to Vegeta, and Ultra Instinct was revealed to be the techique of the Angels, hence the silver hair and focus on defense and evasion. Since Whis has a superior form of Ultra Instinct to Goku, shouldn't the same apply to Beerus with Ultra Ego? Beerus' power should theoretically be without a limit, since he could use his superior Ultra Ego to get continuously stronger as he fights. This also explains why Whis will always be superior to Beerus, as Ultra Instinct is the perfect counter to Ultra Ego, since Ultra Ego needs to actually make contact and acquire damage in order to become stronger, which Ultra Instinct doesn't allow for.
Beerus power only doesn't make sense when you compare anime and manga, I think other than that it's consistent with the medium it's in
Amazing video man! You hit a lot of great points that I've always believed to be true. The way Goku SSBK had Beerus slightly sweating and how all the g.o.ds stood up in honor of Goku who BEAT Jiren tells you he surpasses him. The manga is different though because even if Goku didnt beat Jiren in MUI, Goku grows even STONGER than Meerus, an angel apprentice. So even in the manga I believed Goku surpassed Beerus. I think it just happened later. Ultimately, this makes the Black Frieza scaling statement RIDICULOUS.
The Manga has Ultra Ego which lets Beerus increase in power so all the Gods of Destruction keep getting stronger passively.
I don’t think the other Gods of Destruction train since there’s no mortals near their power levels. Beerus is an anomaly because he has multiple mortals in his universe that are near his power. He also still trains so he continues to get stronger as well.
For all we know a God of Destruction might get stronger as their mortal level increases and that’s why they destroy weaker planets. As long as Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, etc get stronger, Beerus power will increase as well making him near impossible to surpass. And this might be why Beerus is pushing them to be stronger than him, cause he knows it won’t happen but it’ll only make him stronger as a result.
Isn't it safe to assume Beerus still trains? Whis stated that's why Beerus is stronger than Champa because Champa is lazy and doesn't train. 17 got way stronger off screen and stated it's because he wasn't just taking it easy. Also, in the manga when Beerus is training Geets he face slams him and tells him if he trained for 100 years he still wouldn't be at his level. I may be wrong but I believe that was after the he already had Blue Evolution.
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A key difference of the anime and manga is that Goku retained the power of SSG in his SS1 which means his base is 50x weaker than SSG while manga version Goku doesn’t have that power boost. It really changes the power gap between the anime and manga.
In the anime, it’s stated that Belmont is stronger than Beerus; Whis stated this. “”For those who say, “That’s in arm wrestling”. Well they use Ki to boost their strength so that means Belmont has more Ki than Beerus. Also in both GoDs fight, we see Belmont be the only GoD to have little to no damage at all; he even smiled while pretending to be KO in a fight where they were ordered to fight for real and was being watched by the Grand Priest. Belmont captured all GoD in his orb and another GoD asked if Belmont was really trying to kill them when he was about to use his Ki created cards.
Anime has Whis makes the scaling of Jiren>Goku>Belmont>Beerus. In Broly movie, Goku suggested Broly was stronger than Beerus, someone Goku is already stronger than if he used UI/MUI. Goku didn’t even use Kaioken x20 and Vegeta didn’t use SSBE since both of them fighting together would defeat Broly and they wanted the money grab of Gogeta.
I have always seen it as Beerus constantly being surprised at the pace they get stronger for being "mere mortals"
Goku and Vegeta are in their late 40s to 50s and have a few decades of training , Beerus is an ancient deity that's over 200 million years old so he's had a few million years worth of training and that's even if you include his infamous naps. Its impressive that Goku and Vegeta have improved in such little time, to the point to where Beerus is considering them as candidates for a God of Destruction, bro's even offered Goku his job a few times. Even then its still gonna take a minute for them to be around Beerus level because like you said we still haven't even seen Beerus fighting at his peak.
The only changes that can be made to fix the scale is 1. Beers has a secret transformation, or 2. Beerus is still trading and getting stronger. At least with a transformation the 70% could just be 70% of his base.
1. Beerus has Ultra ego which lets him increase is power limitlessly the more he thinks about Destruction.
2. The 70% isn't in the anime and the Manga so it can be disregarded.
I thought it was clear that the power scaling in the manga is drastically weaker than in the anime
Doesn't Whis have his staff that has a pocket dimension room of spirit and time from the anime? Is that where Beerus goes to train perhaps? all fluff but i think people forget about that pocket dimension.
My pov, that 70% is not the amount he was using throughout the fight. In the fight, beerus agrees that he powered up to nullify the energy ball that would have destroyed earth and few planets. But then he went back and was using normal level to fight equally with goku
That dimension destroying shit drove me insane through out the rest of the series how it just disappeared 😭
I was thinking how amazing it is for the Super universe. Who would of thought 10 years ago when we thought it was all over. I did at least and was blown away when i found out.
goku, vegeta , broly ,jiren , gohan , frieza have def surpassed some destroyers to me. keeep in mind i only use the manga power scale cause it makes the most sense. its just beerus is a prodigy destoryer . he never back down from a fight, he trained for millions of years with an mui angel . hes a martial art master tooo. he can use ui sign at will he still wants to achieve mui but hes lazy at this moment. i think both goku and vegeta will surpassed him in final dbs saga. then he will find motivate to train again cause he too has pride .
Beerus is a moving goalpost, and there's no denying it. Even in the manga though for some reason people like to pretend that he isn't there.
I've always felt that the gods of destruction are empowered by zeno to always have a power level equal to the total power level within their individual universe's so that they can always do their jobs if something/one needs destroyed.
Can’t remember so correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the dragon say to granola after his wish that he’s the strongest in the universe but less than the Gods?
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It could be said that for what might be a millionnium of years or whatever Beerus was asleep, he might be regress by half so Goku is fighting that Beerus. (Head cannon)lol I mean he is the only God that hibernates.