I agree. I actually think Opeth is more subtly polished than DT but in an "organic" way, not in a manufactured way. DT lately has sounded rather "manufactured", not a lot of variety or actual musicality. Sad, because they're fantastic musicians, I just wish they'd get more creative than Petrucci's usual rifs. And Ruddess is an amazing pianist but he insists on that freaking '80s pinball sound.
*7 years later* Yeah, I see that too. I heard all of the musicians in DT graduated from some esteemed musical establishment, and their music imo does have a bit of a text book feel, which ruins it for me. They truly are fantastic musicians, but DT's music is lacking character I feel. Maybe they aim more to impress the listeners rather than to put emotion in the music, but truly I have no saying in that. Different thing with Opeth -- their songs are so full of character you just can't look away, their soul is big and luscious and beautiful.
¡Excelente solo de batería! Axenrot es un animal tocando, tiene un gusto exquisito para componer sus partes en las canciones y tiene un estilo diferente para cada canción. Fantástico.
The drum solo was perfect for this non-growl set. Was at one of these shows of the heritage tour, it was just perfect to hear some more agressive drumming between all the softer tracks.
Necro post for sure...... An elongated drum solo can give the other band members a breather so they can go pee, smoke a cig, get a drink, ect, ect. Or it can also give the techs/soundmen a chance to change out a bad cord that's making a buzzing noise or troubleshoot other problems that can happen in live settings. Instead of stopping the show for this they can say "Hey Axe, can you do a drum solo for about 8 minutes while we go x, y, & z please." So it isn't always about the drummer trying to show off.
@@leviticus6591 Anyone addicted to nicotine or somebody who doesn't want to smoke a joint on stage. Smoking was just one example of the many reasons as to WHY a band member or two might want a 5 minute break in the middle of a show.
talented". I really do think it's wise that Mikael was the frontman and really the creative mind behind Opeth all these years, the other guys are amazing musicians but I think he's really the creative genius in the band and I'm glad he's stayed as such, he really is "Opeth". Don't think Petrucci has had that much freedom in DT.
Porcelain Heart is not from a vintage sounding prog rock album. That simple. I realize their whole visuals and soundcheck and instruments and tuning etc are all made to accommodate their recent inclination for that sound. That's even expected. Just wish they'd find a way to minimize "sacrificing" their older songs as well to that. Not a matter of live being different from cd. It was just played differently before the Heritage tours. Not a big deal anyways, I like that they're still playing them.
Michiel v. Tienhoven I think technical talent exposes the shallow songwriting skills of most rockers. That's why prog metal sounds like garbage. I bet if Kurt Cobain could shred, the songs would sound like crap too. In terms of talent and taste, one of the few ones is buckethead. Incredible skill, but also crazy wide palate of genres. He's a genius, hands down.
I find DT a bit overproduced like: "We're DT we have to make songs with odd time signatures otherwise we're not cool". Like it's going beyond what actually matters; playing what you think sounds best. And I think Opeth is a more allround band, but not too polished like DT.They have deathmetal and ballads but also progrock jazzy stuff etc.
Depends how you define talent. Petrucci can shred (I'd argue that Akesson is similar in skill there) but he sure as hell doesn't have the creativity Mikael does by a long shot. That counts for more in my books.
JackobMan Some of Petrucci's solos as just going up and down a scale. He has to learn from people like alex Skolnick, Macalpine, or Vai. These people's solos actually go somewhere and are musical.
JackobMan no, akesson doesn't touch him in technicality. Then again, it's about songwriting then skill. Pink Floyd can't play anything other than blues scale solos, but they are legends.
That's true, he's written the majority of DT's music and lyrics as far as I understand. He's a fantastic musician and I don't want to detract from that. However, compared to Mikael's unrelenting creativity and vast stylistic diversity as well as his mastery of the multitude of genres he's incorporated into his music, the fact that he has the best growls and most amazing clean vocals, has yet to make an album that feels repetitive or boring, etc etc, I don't think it's fair to say DT is "more
I really like the way this drum solo was done. Finally a drum solo that actually makes sense as a piece of music by itself, and not just a big double bass, show off mush that we see so often. Reminds me of Neil Peart somehow, I know they don't have much to do each other though.
wow! that's music! that drum solo!!! drum solos is something magnificent that we haven't seen around since the 70's, and i really missed it! i knew only Opeth could bring it back! they are fucking great. and yes, i know the guitar tunes are a bit off but i liked it that way, opeth always had a 70's prog inspirations(mostly because thats what akerfeldt claims to listen to) and i liked it that way, i know, the original is a piece of art itself, but this version is any bit worst. i think.
Yes, I've even responded back to such negative comments, explaining a bit further. It's not like I'm a mindless Heritage-basher or something. It's just that this song is not and was not composed as a vintage prog rock tune. I'm just a great fan like all others, but with a pair of active ears and an opinion. I guess some people are a bit overprotective of their favourite band...
"Fame" is not relevant, I believe/know I'm better guitar player than Justin Bieber. A good musicien would simply enjoy this solo and take notes even if he is "better".
probably someone needed to go to the bathroom or mike felt his throat needed water. he didn't do that just for show off or for musical reasons. there are a lot of things that can interrupt a concert, even during a song, but you can't simply stop and say "hey, you payed money on this, but could you wait 5 minutes so i can solve that problem?". that is when a unnecessary drum solo happens.
Pocas veces Mikåel.. permite eso en uno de sus recitales la verdad es de maravilla poder apreciar de lo que esta hecho "axe" y de el de porque esta en una banda tan grande como opeth.
Porcelain Heart is not from a vintage sounding prog rock album. That simple. I realize their whole visuals and soundcheck and instruments and tuning etc are all made to accommodate their recent inclination for that sound. That's even expected. Just wish they'd find a way to minimize "sacrificing" their older songs as well to that. Not a matter of live being different from cd. It was just played differently before the Heritage tours. Not a big deal anyways, I like that they're still playing them.
No offense but, what's the point exactly if you could understand it? do you wish they had 2 sets of different rig for the gigs? Heritage isn't my favorite to be honest, and i like their older stuffs more. But i think their sound system is pretty decent and could deliver the old stuffs... and we cant expecting Mike's brutal growl last forever, so their changes of tone is understandable in my opinion.
I agree. It sounds very chaotic but apparently it was extremely difficult to nail down on the album. I still can't for the life of me figure out what people miss so much about Peter and Lopez, they were both good but one didn't contribute creatively and didn't want to be there, and the other (while amazing) didn't seem to contribute as much that "stands out" or "fits just right" like Axe does. Two different lineups for two different developmental stages.
can someone explain me the main riff that is repeated through out the song by Fredrik Åkesson, starting from 9:50 , it seems like some key of minor D on 2-3 frets, and on other-hand mostly i saw below tab online, which is quite different E|------------------| B|------------------| G|------------------| D|----7h9h10p9p7----| A|--7---------------| D|------------------|
The tab seems right, except it's one string too low. That is, if you play the same pattern on G and D strings it should work just fine (even though Fredrik plays it on different frets)
He doesn't really do METALLLLLL EFJSDHA SLAYERRRR style drum solo's! He is a prog rock and Rock play with abit of metal! His drum solo's to me have alot of King Crimson Influence in his style and everything!
Jack Mayo I don't like metal drum solos since I think most of them are the same...I just thought that his solos were a bit unoriginal, I think he could do better...If you want to orchestrate a drumset in a solo you have to find a certain pattern that can be phrased. Like the period that marks the end of a sentence. If not, it would feel like an endless solo and you will loose the audience.
Jack Mayo I just wished the solo wasn't in this song too, the song would've gone all the way! It's the only time I've seen this song live and well I wanted it to go all the way...if they wanted a solo they should've done it seperately not during the middle of the song...but oh well, it's Opeth, they always do what they want...
i watched those guys when they opened for dream theater a few years ago, since then, i am addicted, they are great. but i think, talent wise, DT is superior
because that´s how it´s written, even in the album version there´s a solo, just that is under the main riff, but is right there, i actually would be surprise if they play the song without the drum solo in live performances
What? No dude, that's just turning the rattles (snare) of your drum on or off. I was saying that their instruments, kit and live sound have been partially replaced and retuned to make the band sound like a vintage prog rock act. I understand that they're supporting their recent Heritage style. But the problem is that their older songs are "sacrificed" to this new style and sound when played live. Although I understand that logistically it would be hard to avoid this, even if they wanted to.
***** People just assume that the SE is really cheap sounding and honestly, my SE is one of the best sounding guitars I've ever played. And in all seriousness, I haven't played a real PRS that felt as good to play as my SE Custom 24. I think that there are cheaper, worse SE models, like I've heard, although I'm not sure if it's true, that the Santana SE is really bad, but still, for $700 or $800 they can make quite a guitar. They don't waste money on stupid things. They make them in a good factory in Korea, build their own pickups to save money and their own tuners, but they sound fantastic, and they do little things like the flame maple top is a vaneer, but it wouldn't affect the tone much, if any. The guitar is built to sound and perform well with no extra bells and whistles. I love how surprised people are with the SE line. I can't recommend it enough.
Martin AXenrot having his own 'Porcelain chip trip' :D!
Lool
cheeky Tool reference
Legolas was amazing on the drums...
Haahahah
THIS DRUM SOLO IS PERFECT.
Axenrot is great..
Axenrot is best
The drum solo might be to long for you. But not for the rest of the band taking a rest while trying to keep the audience engaged.
I agree. I actually think Opeth is more subtly polished than DT but in an "organic" way, not in a manufactured way. DT lately has sounded rather "manufactured", not a lot of variety or actual musicality. Sad, because they're fantastic musicians, I just wish they'd get more creative than Petrucci's usual rifs. And Ruddess is an amazing pianist but he insists on that freaking '80s pinball sound.
With their last album, your comment looks more clear. Look at In Cauda Venenum and after look at Distance Over Time. Salute sir, you are right.
*7 years later* Yeah, I see that too. I heard all of the musicians in DT graduated from some esteemed musical establishment, and their music imo does have a bit of a text book feel, which ruins it for me. They truly are fantastic musicians, but DT's music is lacking character I feel. Maybe they aim more to impress the listeners rather than to put emotion in the music, but truly I have no saying in that. Different thing with Opeth -- their songs are so full of character you just can't look away, their soul is big and luscious and beautiful.
I loved the solo, but why here?
+GrauffTV Clearly because of the subtle touches he puts through this entire song. Works well!
"Why here?" A questioned asked on every prog song ever.
Probably more to do with the timing of the set rather than the song itself.
Listen to the part of the studio version where this is placed
Awesome solo from Martin John Axenrot Bonham !
More like Martin "Ian Paice" Axenrot.
¡Excelente solo de batería! Axenrot es un animal tocando, tiene un gusto exquisito para componer sus partes en las canciones y tiene un estilo diferente para cada canción. Fantástico.
The drum solo was perfect for this non-growl set. Was at one of these shows of the heritage tour, it was just perfect to hear some more agressive drumming between all the softer tracks.
I know the studio version of porcelain heart has a drum solo right before the second verse, but this is a little overkill
Necro post for sure......
An elongated drum solo can give the other band members a breather so they can go pee, smoke a cig, get a drink, ect, ect. Or it can also give the techs/soundmen a chance to change out a bad cord that's making a buzzing noise or troubleshoot other problems that can happen in live settings. Instead of stopping the show for this they can say "Hey Axe, can you do a drum solo for about 8 minutes while we go x, y, & z please." So it isn't always about the drummer trying to show off.
@@barklordofthesith2997 Smoke! Who the fuck needs to smoke while playing a show?
@@leviticus6591 Anyone addicted to nicotine or somebody who doesn't want to smoke a joint on stage. Smoking was just one example of the many reasons as to WHY a band member or two might want a 5 minute break in the middle of a show.
One of my fave Opeth songs. My band loves covering this song.
No matter how awesome your band is or how skillfull someone is, drumsolos are the perfect moment to go get a drink at the bar.
Nicholas Syl Rush begs to differ
i would not go the bar when Mike Portnoy or Mario Duplantier plays a drum solo
Mikael's hair!!!!!
talented". I really do think it's wise that Mikael was the frontman and really the creative mind behind Opeth all these years, the other guys are amazing musicians but I think he's really the creative genius in the band and I'm glad he's stayed as such, he really is "Opeth". Don't think Petrucci has had that much freedom in DT.
Porcelain Heart is not from a vintage sounding prog rock album. That simple.
I realize their whole visuals and soundcheck and instruments and tuning etc are all made to accommodate their recent inclination for that sound. That's even expected.
Just wish they'd find a way to minimize "sacrificing" their older songs as well to that.
Not a matter of live being different from cd. It was just played differently before the Heritage tours.
Not a big deal anyways, I like that they're still playing them.
the drum solo was cool, but damn too long
I keep coming back to this video just to watch and listen to this drum solo.
I can't care less about talent. Opeth's music I love, whereas Dream Theatre I don't.
Michiel v. Tienhoven I think technical talent exposes the shallow songwriting skills of most rockers. That's why prog metal sounds like garbage.
I bet if Kurt Cobain could shred, the songs would sound like crap too.
In terms of talent and taste, one of the few ones is buckethead. Incredible skill, but also crazy wide palate of genres. He's a genius, hands down.
I find DT a bit overproduced like: "We're DT we have to make songs with odd time signatures otherwise we're not cool". Like it's going beyond what actually matters; playing what you think sounds best. And I think Opeth is a more allround band, but not too polished like DT.They have deathmetal and ballads but also progrock jazzy stuff etc.
Depends how you define talent. Petrucci can shred (I'd argue that Akesson is similar in skill there) but he sure as hell doesn't have the creativity Mikael does by a long shot. That counts for more in my books.
JackobMan Some of Petrucci's solos as just going up and down a scale. He has to learn from people like alex Skolnick, Macalpine, or Vai. These people's solos actually go somewhere and are musical.
JackobMan no, akesson doesn't touch him in technicality. Then again, it's about songwriting then skill. Pink Floyd can't play anything other than blues scale solos, but they are legends.
The drum solo was relevant, but not in this song and definately not in that part of this song. And it was to long...
It was unexpected, and that is EXACTLY what they were going for.
+Daan van Beek Because you know better than them...
This song is so much better live than on the album
That's true, he's written the majority of DT's music and lyrics as far as I understand. He's a fantastic musician and I don't want to detract from that. However, compared to Mikael's unrelenting creativity and vast stylistic diversity as well as his mastery of the multitude of genres he's incorporated into his music, the fact that he has the best growls and most amazing clean vocals, has yet to make an album that feels repetitive or boring, etc etc, I don't think it's fair to say DT is "more
I really like the way this drum solo was done. Finally a drum solo that actually makes sense as a piece of music by itself, and not just a big double bass, show off mush that we see so often. Reminds me of Neil Peart somehow, I know they don't have much to do each other though.
The beginning of the solo reminds me of Led Zep's Moby Dick
Very underrated drummer ever
wow! that's music! that drum solo!!! drum solos is something magnificent that we haven't seen around since the 70's, and i really missed it! i knew only Opeth could bring it back! they are fucking great.
and yes, i know the guitar tunes are a bit off but i liked it that way, opeth always had a 70's prog inspirations(mostly because thats what akerfeldt claims to listen to) and i liked it that way, i know, the original is a piece of art itself, but this version is any bit worst. i think.
Chocolate Chip Trip 🤘🏾
Yes, I've even responded back to such negative comments, explaining a bit further. It's not like I'm a mindless Heritage-basher or something. It's just that this song is not and was not composed as a vintage prog rock tune. I'm just a great fan like all others, but with a pair of active ears and an opinion. I guess some people are a bit overprotective of their favourite band...
This aint Heritage guys... Needs more of and more sharply tuned snare, and needs not that old guitar tuning with watery effects.
Their music, what I've heard, doesn't really lend itself to a drum solo, but some people expect it. It's a good solo, anyway.
"Fame" is not relevant, I believe/know I'm better guitar player than Justin Bieber.
A good musicien would simply enjoy this solo and take notes even if he is "better".
I don't know why he just showed off his rudiments? Simply jeopardized the whole song for I dont know what fucking reason.
probably someone needed to go to the bathroom or mike felt his throat needed water.
he didn't do that just for show off or for musical reasons. there are a lot of things that can interrupt a concert, even during a song, but you can't simply stop and say "hey, you payed money on this, but could you wait 5 minutes so i can solve that problem?". that is when a unnecessary drum solo happens.
that was the stupidest reply ever lmao
tim c I second that
Am I tripping or Martin Mendez is using a P bass here?
The drum solo was beautiful but a bit too long.
Pocas veces Mikåel.. permite eso en uno de sus recitales la verdad es de maravilla poder apreciar de lo que esta hecho "axe" y de el de porque esta en una banda tan grande como opeth.
Overrated drummer for opeth, too bad they left him behind
04:33 axe tune his snare tone back to sharp, he was used the "blunt" tone at the begining for the solo. did u completely listen/watch the video?
There is a little masterpiece on your adds
I can't wait until they tour the US again :(
Muy buena calidad de imagen, se aprecia aun mejor este tremendo tema, gracias por subirlo en ta buena calidad.
Drum solo = Snooze fest.
Porcelain Heart is not from a vintage sounding prog rock album. That simple.
I realize their whole visuals and soundcheck and instruments and tuning etc are all made to accommodate their recent inclination for that sound. That's even expected.
Just wish they'd find a way to minimize "sacrificing" their older songs as well to that.
Not a matter of live being different from cd. It was just played differently before the Heritage tours.
Not a big deal anyways, I like that they're still playing them.
No offense but, what's the point exactly if you could understand it? do you wish they had 2 sets of different rig for the gigs? Heritage isn't my favorite to be honest, and i like their older stuffs more. But i think their sound system is pretty decent and could deliver the old stuffs... and we cant expecting Mike's brutal growl last forever, so their changes of tone is understandable in my opinion.
6:22 OMFG That drums solo it's so magnificent! *__________*
Axenrot master.
"Joey Jordison best drummer in the world" hahaha
I agree. It sounds very chaotic but apparently it was extremely difficult to nail down on the album. I still can't for the life of me figure out what people miss so much about Peter and Lopez, they were both good but one didn't contribute creatively and didn't want to be there, and the other (while amazing) didn't seem to contribute as much that "stands out" or "fits just right" like Axe does. Two different lineups for two different developmental stages.
can someone explain me the main riff that is repeated through out the song by
Fredrik Åkesson, starting from 9:50 , it seems like some key of minor D on 2-3 frets, and on other-hand mostly i saw below tab online, which is quite different
E|------------------|
B|------------------|
G|------------------|
D|----7h9h10p9p7----|
A|--7---------------|
D|------------------|
The tab seems right, except it's one string too low. That is, if you play the same pattern on G and D strings it should work just fine (even though Fredrik plays it on different frets)
I literally came to this
I am with you there man. I don't understand the negative response you got.
I love Legola's playing but his drum solos are so meh
He doesn't really do METALLLLLL EFJSDHA SLAYERRRR style drum solo's! He is a prog rock and Rock play with abit of metal! His drum solo's to me have alot of King Crimson Influence in his style and everything!
Jack Mayo I don't like metal drum solos since I think most of them are the same...I just thought that his solos were a bit unoriginal, I think he could do better...If you want to orchestrate a drumset in a solo you have to find a certain pattern that can be phrased. Like the period that marks the end of a sentence. If not, it would feel like an endless solo and you will loose the audience.
Fair Do's! I get what you mean! :D I do think he dragged it on WAY to long! and to be fair he should have made the phrasing alot more punchier!
Jack Mayo I just wished the solo wasn't in this song too, the song would've gone all the way! It's the only time I've seen this song live and well I wanted it to go all the way...if they wanted a solo they should've done it seperately not during the middle of the song...but oh well, it's Opeth, they always do what they want...
yeah they shouldve just played the cd over the pa and just stood there
0:47 oh hi misha
What a fucking performance
i watched those guys when they opened for dream theater a few years ago, since then, i am addicted, they are great. but i think, talent wise, DT is superior
TheBogami Song wise, Opeth is better, plus James is a horrible singer
That's a pretty invalid argument you got there yourself.
Lol it's live sound, what more do you want?
perhaps nickleback is more your speed?!
Why the drum solo? So unnecessary and random and it doesn't fit.
Pee break! :P
Oh pooh!!
Fredrik took a dump. Hence the 7-minute drum solo.
i dont like the drums my felf
because that´s how it´s written, even in the album version there´s a solo, just that is under the main riff, but is right there, i actually would be surprise if they play the song without the drum solo in live performances
Axe is a fantastic drummer
hahahahahaha, great comment
SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!!!!!
What? No dude, that's just turning the rattles (snare) of your drum on or off.
I was saying that their instruments, kit and live sound have been partially replaced and retuned to make the band sound like a vintage prog rock act.
I understand that they're supporting their recent Heritage style. But the problem is that their older songs are "sacrificed" to this new style and sound when played live.
Although I understand that logistically it would be hard to avoid this, even if they wanted to.
That was SOLO beautiful! :') lml
your music is so cool
THIS IS MAGNIFICENT!
the drum solo was relevant
OPETH TASSA!!!
8:45
You're welcome.
Best ever!!
Oh my goooood
No growls
David Aguilar You do know this track is about his dead ex gf, right?
@@Taco_Comrade wow
Great southern metal from Poland. I recommend /watch?v=77GvY5pqgMk :D
Are they really playing with a PRS SE model? check 1:10 That's why the sound is different.
They are!
***** he wanted a cheaper guitar, said it in an interview. Don't see why he would want one that gives people the wrong impression.
***** People just assume that the SE is really cheap sounding and honestly, my SE is one of the best sounding guitars I've ever played. And in all seriousness, I haven't played a real PRS that felt as good to play as my SE Custom 24. I think that there are cheaper, worse SE models, like I've heard, although I'm not sure if it's true, that the Santana SE is really bad, but still, for $700 or $800 they can make quite a guitar. They don't waste money on stupid things. They make them in a good factory in Korea, build their own pickups to save money and their own tuners, but they sound fantastic, and they do little things like the flame maple top is a vaneer, but it wouldn't affect the tone much, if any. The guitar is built to sound and perform well with no extra bells and whistles. I love how surprised people are with the SE line. I can't recommend it enough.
+synesthesia67 well they are PRS SE customs...
Excelente!!
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