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Yeah that's what I thought. That it even came close it's pretty awesome and considering the rough and bumpy state of the track and how sandy it was the motorbikes extra weight was obviously helping. Around a more solid track the results may of even been closer. The E- bikes were keeping up with the petrol bikes in the red bull rhythm race I saw too.
@@28russ Interesting thought there. Since races tend to be shorter, the lack of range won't matter. Electric may come in lighter, with more torque and hp, and therefore completely change how races are done.
Whoops!! That was a suspension test for sure! Not bad for the Sur-Ron being almost half the price If u put $4500 in mods on Sur-Ron, it’d be a scary lap🤢☠️
This was truly awesome, thank you for doing this. Like how you have the Surron set up, I'm 6'1"and a bit. And think the 3" rise bar is just the thing for me. Cheers for the inspiration.
@Brakzer Thanks for the note man! Yes, that is a great call. I would love to do a head-to-head with the new controller. Hopefully I'll get access to one!
New controller and a reworked battery. Guys are jacking the voltage up to 72v and ive seen ones done with lipo around 90v with asi controllers the sur ron is deadly fast. See this is why i say the x controller is a waste. Eventually youre going to put a new controller on anyway.
@@sigmaoctantis_nz I guarantee it would. If someone would come up with a sequential gearbox to go in place of the reduction drive these things would be monsters.
I like how you're doing a lap time but interspersed throughout the video are ground shots that you obviously had to get off the bike to set up in a different lap. Movie magic!
I have 4 surrons and two RevX bikes in my garage and the surrons are a blast and can be a ton of fun. The RevX bikes are more purpose driven and cannot be compared to the surrons as they are in a different league all together and would give this video a completely different outcome. The torque on the electric bikes is what allows them to cover ground much better than any gas bike. No shifting or trying to anticipate corners or late or early braking. The tires and suspension change ebikes to instantly be a real player and handle any terrain. The RevX comes fully outfitted to be race ready from the ground up so when it cost double the surron you are getting the best bang for your buck. Just wanted to share as I have been riding the last 40yrs and always get the latest and greatest bikes. Once the ebike market goes mainstream the gas bike market will never be the same. The only benefit gas has to me is the range and down time is less. Unless you have spare batteries to just swap out when one is done. I love gas and electric and enjoy the evolution of both platforms.
for this kind of riding the sur-ron might be fine, but if the track opens up a bit, then the ktm will 'wake up' and just pull miles ahead. For me thats the fun stuff, so I cant see myself switching until they are 30+hp and can run for 2-3 hours on a charge. Many thanks though for keeping us updated on their evolution.
@Jeremy Andrews You're right, the Sur-Ron does not stand a chance to the KTM on open terrain. Looking forward to the 30+hp 2-3 hour electric bikes too! Thanks for the note.
That's the most common comparison I have seen so it makes sense it loses to a 250. I'd like to see him do pit bike to ebike, I'm sure it would be closer
@@sn0wchyld that's possible. Not sure if surron has a higher output lithium ion battery pack available or not. But in theory there is more power to be gained from better batteries, especially with torque which could be good or bad for dirt biking depending on if the controller is advanced enough to handle the sensitivity guys need out on some hairy trails.
@@scottwall8419 nah its really only with aftermarket stuff. Battery needs upgrading because the cells are too weak to support much more power than stock, controller needs upgrading because the motor wakes up with more phase amps (controller is what I've done to mine so far). I haven't ridden enough ICE bikes to know what it 'feels' like now but it makes the stock bike feel like its slow and heavy, despite the new controller not drawing that much more power (only about 15%)... newer controller has better power delivery too, feels safer and easier to ride despite ~2-3x the torque.
@@sn0wchyld I will look into that, been thinking about grabbing one of these for my surveying job. I do some pretty remote stuff on large properties and this would make the job 3 times as fast and more fun, thanks for the info
Makes sense the Sur Ron is a tad slower since the KTM weight helps soften and smooth the terrain environment where the Sur Ron has a lot more verticality influence for that same terrain. So there are trade offs. That said, there is a great opportunity to press ahead will non-fossiled dirt riding since that is always better for the environment and helps each of us to know we are doing our part and at the same time not compromising fun factor.
Bro that's a 250 on a mtb trial imagine on a motocross track the suspension and power is so different 450 would smoke it buy a man's machine not a mtb with no pedals
I really want an E-bike for the neighborhood and the farm! The quieter the better. I'm a bit concerned with battery life and long uphill performance though. Hopefully price and performance can come together in a few more years so the average person can justify buying one.
I love the concept of e bikes but no one talks about distance they travel, limp mode to get back to charging point, charging time, quick release batteries. I ride enduro/ trails in Australia on a ktm 350 exc-f and I can get 180kmh out of a tank depending on terrain. Maybe a bit more info on the overall package not just how quick or how they handle. Good for track days but not so good for riding long distances through forests
@Garry Rhodes If you watch my other videos, I actually talk about it a lot. Watch either of my race videos with the Sur-Ron and the Alta and you'll see that I show both bikes going into limp mode and ultimately dying before the finish line. I also do a video with the KTM Freeride E-XC where I run the battery to limp mode and report on the time and distance. Your KTM 350 EXC is a superb machine, especially if you're riding enduro and trails in Australia. I own several gas bikes and I am a super fan of all dirt bikes. I just want people to get out and ride and have fun. Thanks for your comment.
My Thoughts: The Sur Ron stays in the air longer on a track like this. The KTM being heavier means more traction time. Let's see some more showdowns in different track styles
Ok. I would like to see a Sur-Ron walking on more rugged terrain, with steps, ravines, big rocks in which, I think, the weight of the bike helps to pass over.
I really like these videos,cause I'm a Dirt bike guy and an E bike kinda person. I know I sound blasphemous but you can't deny a good dirt bike can eat a track in seconds,and an Ebike is a good counterpart to use daily.
I love how he puts forward hos leg in curves. Motocross reflex. The Surron is agile yet it lacks that confidence one needs to ride fast with it. After all it's a motorized MTB basically so the suspension it is what it is like you said.
The surron light bee x wasn't made to compete with a dirt bike it has its own purpose. but i like the fact that you made a video comparing the two, cool to see that it can take the same abuse as a dirt bike thi
Setting up the suspension on the KTM for that trail would have widened the gap but cool to have options to ride that won't alert cops and annoy neighbors.
@B S The whoops are so stacked on this loop that the camera doesn't even do it justice. I went softer on the compression but it causes the bike to blow through the stroke and get sketchy in the whoops. Keeping it a little stiffer keeps the bike from dancing around. You're right though, suspension tune would benefit both bikes. Thanks for the note.
Pretty close on times...it's amazing how far electric bikes have come! If we haven't been kept under the thumb of the petro companies this technology would've been out 40 or 50 years ago! 🤦🏻
Yup! Also this is gas vs. electric KTM has electric version Harley also has their electric version of a motorcycle. Companies are slowly moving forward with electric which is fantastic Why go to the gas station when you can become the gas station
I actually own a YZ250 and a Sur Ron X. I LOVE the Sur Ron for quick solo rides, or terrain that I probably shouldn't take the dirt bike in (close to neighbors). The silence of the Sur Ron is it's biggest plus. After that, it looses on every count. In the woods, you get 20 miles of range! A 125+ will smoke it. On the 250-450s we run avg trail speeds of 40-45mph. The Sur Ron at best gets 30mph. It's great for what it is, but comparing it to a Dirt Bike is comparing my lifed golf cart to my Tesla. Just not the same category. I'm about to put 2500 into the Sur Ron to see if I can get it closer on range and hole shot, but at that point, I'll have more into it than the YZ250
@@tintin6291 Green Wire is cut, it maxes at 47 on pavement, and takes its time getting there. On a trail, there is no way. A 35mph AVG on trails is a pretty brisk pace. I do have 2300 in upgrades coming though. Bigger sprocket, bigger battery and an ANSI 8000 controller. Very curious to see how it does after that. I will also say, on a backyard MX track, the Sur Ron is a blast. It weighs 100lbs so you can flick it all over the place
yeah just ordered a sur ron for that exact reason. Just to be able to hit some local dirt trails and have some fun close to home without driving an hour to a dirt park. Can fly under the radar and get the ya yay's out then blast back home and continue on for the day. Gonna be great.!!
The Sur ron front suspension is about as dumbed down as you can get! Seriously a USD fork for under $200 = Pony. If Fox made a USD it would be more like $1500 although at least it would be good. The KTM is riding on Factory MX suspension which is light years ahead, literally light years, so yes 100% agree, some work to be done for sure. Would love to see how a Factroy tricked out Sur Ron would compare. Less than 15 seconds me thinks, but super impressive nonetheless.
@Spider Monkey I hear you! The suspension is indeed night and day different. Would be interesting to do some suspension upgrades to the Sur-Ron and see how it does. Thanks for the note.
Good job! We also tuned and tested Surron in different tracks. Finally got the suspension broke and then frame broke. However, this one is not created for true enduro. And also too small for tall people...
A pro circuit CR 125R would do a sub 3:40 lap time because you could be on the pipe much more as a % of the lap time. The suspension is really the difference. The KTM has years of suspension technology while the Surons just came out. Yes they are lighter and hence more nimble/flicKable but the ebikes will soon beef up their suspension and power and then it will be no match.
Not sure where the camera is located, but look into getting a "ProShot" chin mount for your camera. I always like your video's, I just wish I had not eaten breakfast an hour before watching this. Those whoops made me nauseous... I however appreciate the highlight of what a SUR_RON can do and the future potential it has. I bet you are itching for a 7200 battery... regardless, you should contact Cooper Webb while he is in Florida this week and help him on his whoops technique! You have it down! Looking forward to future vids, keep it up!
@Max Muller Haha, love your comment! Yea, I use a chin mount and have it pointed toward the sky but I'll keep working on it. Certainly don't want you to waste your breakfast. Maybe Coop can give me pointers on jumping through the whoops... He looked like he had it down in San Diego. Take care Max!
bruce baker - This guy rode a Sur Ron pretty hard in a race against other gas bikes. His battery died right at about 15miles. ruclips.net/video/u6DzZK7UpNE/видео.html Im not positive but I believe the charge time is about 3hrs with their 60amp quick charger.
Given track specifics, it's purely a suspension test, add a couple of wide open straigths, a couple of curves where you need to brake from speed and the deta time triples easily.
@@mazoviaadv5536 Agreed there are many situation where the KTM would crush the Surron X, but no one claims a Surron X to be a track bike. It's a playbike...that happens to be able to keep up with a KTM Factory Edition (within 6%) on this particular offroad trail. This comparison was at the request of many viewers that were just curious how they compared. Surron X shine for tight, twisting singletrack (where they would actually be faster than the KTM) and not a track or open sections where any ICE dirtbike would eat the surron alive. They are also great for slower forest service road group rides. I get about 25 - 35 miles range out of my Surron X on those types of rides. Only 20 mile range if I'm really, really hotrodding in tight, on and off the throttle and hilly trails going as fast as I can in Sport mode. These are for totally different types of rides and I still take my ICE dirtbikes for 60% - 70% of my rides. But this little surron sure has been fun. Enough that I'm now looking for a fullsize E-moto. If I has a fullsize chassis E-moto that had a solid 60 mile range taking it easy in an eco mode or 40 mile range riding aggressively, I'd be riding that for 80% of my rides. Oh, and the Surron brakes may only be MTB components, but the bike only weighs 110 pounds so they slow and stop really good. I agree it would be interesting to see a braking test between a SurronX and various dirtbikes. I think they would come out pretty much the same in braking distance.
Sur-ron is owned by ninebot which also owns Segway. Segway has a version of this machine that - I think - has an uprated suspension. It also has swapppable batteries and an adjustable frame. Head to head test?
The segway is just a rebranded Surron. No differences except segway is also going to offer a second version with smaller battery and lower suspension. Oh, and segway is making claims of very very unrealistic battery ranges last time I checked. I contacted them on it and mentioned they were setting up their pre-order customers to be very upset because they were going to get half the range (in best case scenario) than what segway was claiming. They said they were still "evaluating final specs". I didn't look to see if segway ever changed the specs to more realistic values. Oh, and the segway was going to cost about $2,000 more...for the same bike just rebranded. One should very much consider buying a Surron X from Lunacycle and either pocketing the extra money or using it for fork and shock upgrades or controller upgrades, etc.
@@ElectricCycleRider I have 2 RevX bikes in my garage and they cannot be compared to a surron as they are more of a purpose built bike with 3 maps you can change in seconds. The RevX is stronger than my surron with the 84v battery running the nucular controller. If you had a RevX to test it would have given you a lasting impression! Thanks for the Great Video.
I rode a dirt bike yamaha tt125 for the 1st time and damn is hard. You sir are a bad ass for going that fast! I want a surron but I think I'll set te for either klx230 or xt250!
tbbsrr yo man a 85 would or 125 two stroke would be a good step up klx 230 and xt 250’s are heavy sluggish bikes not good for fast technical riding their suspension is also pretty basic both of those bikes are better for the road and light trails and fire roads
That Suron has the best look ...of most electric bikes, for any price! Buy a fleet and rent them out for less than one E-Harley...(you get that for free, after a month in business)
But it's much better for hearing when you sliding or losing traction. Engines are so loud u don't know what's going on. Gimme electic and stealth any day over a loud ass bike .
Coldoh86 i know whats going on over the sound of a bike😂 i mean come on man if you cant maybe you dont belong riding or driving. I dont even make my bikes louder then stock unless that muffler gets damaged. only my trucks that cat back comes off and gets replaced with roush exhaust. Everythinf i ever owned has been loud
I love the idea of electric bikes, I really do. I especially like how lightweight they can be....BUT I live and Colorado and let me tell you, you DO NOT want to sneak up on a bull moose! He'll charge and straight up kill your ass. Think of a half ton truck ramming you against a tree, but with HORNS. With the noise from a gas bike they hear you coming and leave - that's how a ranger explained it to me at least.
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They’ll be better than engines bikes in the not too distant future. Faster &lighter just no noise which is a deal breaker for me but defo the way forward in Southern England with no where to ride
....or going for a 35 miles forest service road ride in the mountain like I did all last year. Or 20 mile, hardcore, fast singletrack rides or OHV rides. I still love my ICE dirtbikes, but this little Surron X has me hooked on electric so I'll be buying a fullsize electric dirtbike in the next year. The new, nearly-fullsized Surron Storm looks promising. KTM freeride E-XC is nice. Zero FX would have the most range with the big 7.2 battery pack (100+ miles at 30mph). More options every week. Electric is definitely a lot more than a backyard or home track type bike ...but yes, they are also idea for home tracks because you can ride them without making a bunch of noise. Plus, each new brand, or version within a brand, of E-moto has dramatic improvements/advancements where the advancements in ICE bikes has plateaued. Small refinements, tiny hp improvements or weight savings every few years, but no big leaps that I've seen and I buy new ICE dirtbikes every few years.
Cool clip - rough ride. I’m astonished that the time difference is not bigger. Just look at the light weight flimsy eBike. What’s the weight comparison? And what would be the result if the eBike was blown up - bigger engine more battery - to the KTM weight....? Might give the KTM a harder time...
@Captain Hype TV Thanks man. The Sur-Ron weights 120 pounds. More power would definitely help get it closer but the suspension is where it needs the most attention. Thanks for watching.
As someone who has been involved in racing BMX, Downhill mountain bikes and MX, this is kind of a cool thing, but there is something “missing” and it’s hard to deny how sound plays such a huge role in my senses and effects the level of enjoyment. Even though a Tesla might be able to keep up with a GT3 touring (6mt) off the line, it still doesn’t give the same level of enjoyment, TO ME.
@KosmicHaynerRacingTeam Fair! I ride a lot of gas bikes too. These are just different. I'm able to ride neighborhood tracks that I absolutely cannot do on my 2T and being able to ride moto in town is a level of enjoyment that is worth noting.
I didn't think anything could sound stupider than a 250 four stroke. I was sadly wrong. You camera angle made it look like you were riding a pogo stick.
that actually isnt too bad all things considered!! and the combustion engine w the ktm does produce just a ton more power and torque! awesome video! -p3t3r
I’ve found the issue is the bike is too light, there’s a point where the extra weight plants the bike more , providing you up the power to match. Light front bouncing around gets annoying.
Would be interesting what time you lay down on a modded Sur-Ron with 72V and a BAC 4000 and maybe better suspension and wheels, cause it would be still cheaper than that 250
Tucker have you done a test with the stock 19" wheel size compared to the 21×19 combo I made ya? Good to see my wheels being ridden hard,NIIIICE.Anyway the weather looks great for this and wish I wasn't in Maine right now👎.
@MAINY'AK MAINER Hey Josh, thanks for the note man. I haven't done a 19" vs. 21" test but will add it to the list. The fact that the 21"x19" setup is on my Top 5 List is proof that I'm digging them!
@@ElectricCycleRider Some people reacted to the woops in your loop. Those are kinda small for a Florida sand woods trail. Whenever we raced the GNCC OPENER in Florida down by lake okachoobi now thats some real sand woods woops! Shit like 5-6 miles of waist deep woops.! Brutal race.
You should compare it to a 125. Also will you be getting the Sur-Ron Storm dirt bike? That would be an awesome video when that bike comes out. Love the videos man, keep it up!
@JustJayC Thanks for the note man, appreciate the kind words. That's a great call. You really have to ride the Sur-Ron like a 125, lots of throttle and it's imperative that you carry momentum in the corners. It would be a solid comparison. I've owned a few 125's but now I might have to track one down for a test! Any donors out there? Yes, I will be doing some videos the Sur-Ron Storm when it becomes available. They are still in the R&D and testing phase with that bike but I'll be making some videos with that when the production model is ready.
My new Surron X (2024) is a keeper... Looking at ADV, but... The Surron would beat the shit out of them! Might get a 2024 Yamaha MT-09 for road and be super happy keeping my Surron for the dirt (trails and log roads).
Hey! Install an ERT ASI bac 4000, or 8000. These plug and play controllers are designed for the SUR RON and will beat this KTM! I’d love to see a rematch with the better controller
Honestly I was expecting the SUR-RON to beat the KTM! Lighter, I suppose, but I’m not sure. What’s the weight difference of the two? Also instant torque, less centrifugal force in corners (if lighter). Can you imagine that future e-bikes might have AWD? That could be a game changer! Cool video btw, subbed!
One is a racing bike one is a mtb with a e engine and this course favors the bike big time course will huge hills and bumps and miles long the e bike would be left in dust reminder this is a 250 not a 450
what type of suspension prep was done on this Suron? bike suspension means alot to lap times. that suron front end was pushing and diving a ton more than the ktm
How about trying the Motocross bike on a MOTOCROSS track instead of a single track and comparing? The sxf is more out of it's element here but the sur Ron more in .
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Great video. Relatively short, interesting. No unnecessary talks, no boring riding, - efficient video. Waiting for more of your videos!
@Бу Ля Thank you for the feedback! More to come for sure!
No unnecessary talks, my thoughts exactly .... 90% of you tube vids are way too self indulged
great informative vid
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Sur-Ron X vs. KTM FreeRide EX.... We need this
@CoJoBo12 Great call! I'll plan to do this.
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Electric Cycle Rider once they get the range just a little better, I’m in.
He did that one recently and the KTM won. But for just 30% of the money, the SurRon is the animal to buy, in my mind.
that you can even come close to the 250cc is pretty interesting in itself
@Mark Ifi That's a great point.
if he got a different controller there'd be nothing in it.
Yeah that's what I thought. That it even came close it's pretty awesome and considering the rough and bumpy state of the track and how sandy it was the motorbikes extra weight was obviously helping. Around a more solid track the results may of even been closer. The E- bikes were keeping up with the petrol bikes in the red bull rhythm race I saw too.
@LittleTinyBabyJesus that's a simple calculation..
@@28russ Interesting thought there. Since races tend to be shorter, the lack of range won't matter. Electric may come in lighter, with more torque and hp, and therefore completely change how races are done.
that E bike sounds like a fishing reel and a wild turkey getting it on.
I read this comment before I got to the e-bike scene, and now that im here i can't stop laughing at how accurate this is.
That is hellaa funny.
@cdmak1 😂That's really funny man. Pretty damn accurate!
That's deep
The sounds of the millennial generation
WOW, only 15 secs,and the ktm is a damn 250,those Surons are AMAZING, great VID bro
@Ian Mangham Thanks man!
The sur on had the electric motor gear noise.
The ktm had a engine sound?
I liked the stealth factor for riding personally.
Not sure if you’re riding a motorcycle or a pogo stick. Damn.
Whoops!! That was a suspension test for sure!
Not bad for the Sur-Ron being almost half the price
If u put $4500 in mods on Sur-Ron, it’d be a scary lap🤢☠️
@Curt M Whoops on whoops!
The KTM chasis is light years ahead of the Sur, so I'm shocked that the times were even close.
@grengren2 Yea, they ride very differently for sure.
You can put so much power out of these bikes with the right mods it would beat the ktm
It’s more about suspension geometry
Finally the shootout the people have been asking for 🙌🏻
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This was truly awesome, thank you for doing this. Like how you have the Surron set up, I'm 6'1"and a bit. And think the 3" rise bar is just the thing for me. Cheers for the inspiration.
@roddas26 Awesome! Thanks so much for the comment!
It’ll be very interesting to do the same thing with a new controller on the surron.
Awsome content my man !
@Brakzer Thanks for the note man! Yes, that is a great call. I would love to do a head-to-head with the new controller. Hopefully I'll get access to one!
New controller and a reworked battery. Guys are jacking the voltage up to 72v and ive seen ones done with lipo around 90v with asi controllers the sur ron is deadly fast. See this is why i say the x controller is a waste. Eventually youre going to put a new controller on anyway.
BAC 8000 and a Litespeed 72V battery and I bet it would keep up.
@@sigmaoctantis_nz
I guarantee it would. If someone would come up with a sequential gearbox to go in place of the reduction drive these things would be monsters.
Like to see KTM electric vs. 250 gas. Thank You.
@John Stratford Great call. I've got it on the list! Thanks
I like how you're doing a lap time but interspersed throughout the video are ground shots that you obviously had to get off the bike to set up in a different lap. Movie magic!
I have 4 surrons and two RevX bikes in my garage and the surrons are a blast and can be a ton of fun. The RevX bikes are more purpose driven and cannot be compared to the surrons as they are in a different league all together and would give this video a completely different outcome. The torque on the electric bikes is what allows them to cover ground much better than any gas bike. No shifting or trying to anticipate corners or late or early braking. The tires and suspension change ebikes to instantly be a real player and handle any terrain. The RevX comes fully outfitted to be race ready from the ground up so when it cost double the surron you are getting the best bang for your buck. Just wanted to share as I have been riding the last 40yrs and always get the latest and greatest bikes. Once the ebike market goes mainstream the gas bike market will never be the same. The only benefit gas has to me is the range and down time is less. Unless you have spare batteries to just swap out when one is done. I love gas and electric and enjoy the evolution of both platforms.
@mainiero50 Well said my friend! I love both gas and electric too. Great to experience the advancement in technology.
for this kind of riding the sur-ron might be fine, but if the track opens up a bit, then the ktm will 'wake up' and just pull miles ahead. For me thats the fun stuff, so I cant see myself switching until they are 30+hp and can run for 2-3 hours on a charge. Many thanks though for keeping us updated on their evolution.
@Jeremy Andrews You're right, the Sur-Ron does not stand a chance to the KTM on open terrain. Looking forward to the 30+hp 2-3 hour electric bikes too! Thanks for the note.
15 seconds slower with mtb suspension makes sense considering the sur ron is equivalent to an 100cc
That's the most common comparison I have seen so it makes sense it loses to a 250. I'd like to see him do pit bike to ebike, I'm sure it would be closer
@@scottwall8419 or upgrade the controller+/battery - motor on the surron is capable of so much more than stock.
@@sn0wchyld that's possible. Not sure if surron has a higher output lithium ion battery pack available or not. But in theory there is more power to be gained from better batteries, especially with torque which could be good or bad for dirt biking depending on if the controller is advanced enough to handle the sensitivity guys need out on some hairy trails.
@@scottwall8419 nah its really only with aftermarket stuff. Battery needs upgrading because the cells are too weak to support much more power than stock, controller needs upgrading because the motor wakes up with more phase amps (controller is what I've done to mine so far). I haven't ridden enough ICE bikes to know what it 'feels' like now but it makes the stock bike feel like its slow and heavy, despite the new controller not drawing that much more power (only about 15%)... newer controller has better power delivery too, feels safer and easier to ride despite ~2-3x the torque.
@@sn0wchyld I will look into that, been thinking about grabbing one of these for my surveying job. I do some pretty remote stuff on large properties and this would make the job 3 times as fast and more fun, thanks for the info
Those trees come up out of nowhere! I would kill myself on those things!
I appreciate the honest comparison. It's helps people that are considering buying one.
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Makes sense the Sur Ron is a tad slower since the KTM weight helps soften and smooth the terrain environment where the Sur Ron has a lot more verticality influence for that same terrain. So there are trade offs. That said, there is a great opportunity to press ahead will non-fossiled dirt riding since that is always better for the environment and helps each of us to know we are doing our part and at the same time not compromising fun factor.
Please don't tell me you really believe gas and oil come from Dino bones 😂😂
@@nagelmotox284 Fossil -1. Decomposed organic matter. 2. A person who has old fashioned or has outmoded, fixed ideas.
@@rickhale7028 please don't tell me you really believe oil and gas come from decomposed plants and animals. 😂
@@nagelmotox284 Dude, we are taking dirt bikes here. Can you do that without poking personal attacks on others. Don't be that A$$clown.
Bro that's a 250 on a mtb trial imagine on a motocross track the suspension and power is so different 450 would smoke it buy a man's machine not a mtb with no pedals
I really want an E-bike for the neighborhood and the farm! The quieter the better. I'm a bit concerned with battery life and long uphill performance though. Hopefully price and performance can come together in a few more years so the average person can justify buying one.
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Jesus, your track needs a few more whoops
Bad Gumby lol right that is ridiculous
@Bad Gumby Haha! Yea it's a bit excessive, they just seem to multiply...
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Hitting whoops makes more whoops. Y'all need a shovel
That's par for the course on most FL trails. If you don't like sand and whoops, you'll hate it.
I can only dream of owning one of these omg how much I would love to have one is unreal
Nice honest test. Give it a little while longer they’ll be shaving those 15sec
This is exactly THE point. Yes. It will happen. Keep watching.
I love the concept of e bikes but no one talks about distance they travel, limp mode to get back to charging point, charging time, quick release batteries. I ride enduro/ trails in Australia on a ktm 350 exc-f and I can get 180kmh out of a tank depending on terrain. Maybe a bit more info on the overall package not just how quick or how they handle. Good for track days but not so good for riding long distances through forests
Yes Gary exactly, you can’t beat a spare tank of gas. Plus without the weight of a motorbike the electric one looked a bit flighty in the bends.
@Garry Rhodes If you watch my other videos, I actually talk about it a lot. Watch either of my race videos with the Sur-Ron and the Alta and you'll see that I show both bikes going into limp mode and ultimately dying before the finish line. I also do a video with the KTM Freeride E-XC where I run the battery to limp mode and report on the time and distance.
Your KTM 350 EXC is a superb machine, especially if you're riding enduro and trails in Australia. I own several gas bikes and I am a super fan of all dirt bikes. I just want people to get out and ride and have fun. Thanks for your comment.
It must be obvious to him, but I can’t tell where the track is and it’s freaking me out to watch
My Thoughts: The Sur Ron stays in the air longer on a track like this. The KTM being heavier means more traction time.
Let's see some more showdowns in different track styles
If the track provides you with a flat ground you get even bigger gap, surron cant compare to a dirt bike, people just cant realite that
I definitely wouldn't complain if somebody gave me a Sur Ron as a gift, but as a dirt rider, I just love the sound of that KTM 250...BRAAP!!
@skinnyjoe77 The KTM has a good bark for sure! I love it too!
Keep working on that Sur-Ron to close the gap. I know there are suspension upgrades along with controller and battery upgrades for 22hp output.
Could have fooled me, the suron looked so agressive. The difference the suspension makes is crazy.
Ok. I would like to see a Sur-Ron walking on more rugged terrain, with steps, ravines, big rocks in which, I think, the weight of the bike helps to pass over.
@Fernando Saling Sounds good!
While less weight is better, I don't think the suspension could handle much more...
15 s in a 4 minute track is nothing! Amazing job!
I’d say that was pretty damn good
I really like these videos,cause I'm a Dirt bike guy and an E bike kinda person. I know I sound blasphemous but you can't deny a good dirt bike can eat a track in seconds,and an Ebike is a good counterpart to use daily.
@Eduardo Diaz Thanks for the note. You're absolutely right. Different tools for different jobs. No denying that they are all very fun!
@@ElectricCycleRider Keep showing us Great content.
You're doing an Awesome job!
Here at boom moto we love seeing the growing Electric Motorcycle revolution.
@Boom Moto What is the best way to get in touch?
I love how he puts forward hos leg in curves. Motocross reflex. The Surron is agile yet it lacks that confidence one needs to ride fast with it. After all it's a motorized MTB basically so the suspension it is what it is like you said.
I would love to see the Sur Ron X vs the Talaria Sting
Love the content keep it up!
Just the fact that it’s so close to a real 250 MX damn at the weights theses things have that’s what you can really call a toys. 😍😍😍
Very interesting comparison. Thanks for doing it.
@Emory Holley Thanks for the note.
The surron light bee x wasn't made to compete with a dirt bike it has its own purpose. but i like the fact that you made a video comparing the two, cool to see that it can take the same abuse as a dirt bike thi
Is it more like a street bike?
@MuffinDaMoose if you put street tires on it yes but if you keep the stock tires it can go where you want it to go
Setting up the suspension on the KTM for that trail would have widened the gap but cool to have options to ride that won't alert cops and annoy neighbors.
@B S The whoops are so stacked on this loop that the camera doesn't even do it justice. I went softer on the compression but it causes the bike to blow through the stroke and get sketchy in the whoops. Keeping it a little stiffer keeps the bike from dancing around. You're right though, suspension tune would benefit both bikes. Thanks for the note.
Pretty close on times...it's amazing how far electric bikes have come! If we haven't been kept under the thumb of the petro companies this technology would've been out 40 or 50 years ago! 🤦🏻
Yup! Also this is gas vs. electric KTM has electric version Harley also has their electric version of a motorcycle. Companies are slowly moving forward with electric which is fantastic Why go to the gas station when you can become the gas station
Still learning, great ride
I hope u will get the storm bee this summer, really interesting how good is it compared to factory gas bikes
@Nick Pilshikov I'll have it when it's ready!
Will be interesting to see how the sur Ron's hold up over long term use
MTDman11 huge facking deal right there!
The bike itself will hold up but the batteries are what go in the long haul roughly 5 years heavy use
Pretty impressive for a mountainbike based ebike.
That e-dirt bike was a Monster
Sur-Ron x vs anything, we just want to see if it’s worthy of the money, so many good reviews
@2sikxd 👍
I actually own a YZ250 and a Sur Ron X. I LOVE the Sur Ron for quick solo rides, or terrain that I probably shouldn't take the dirt bike in (close to neighbors). The silence of the Sur Ron is it's biggest plus.
After that, it looses on every count. In the woods, you get 20 miles of range! A 125+ will smoke it. On the 250-450s we run avg trail speeds of 40-45mph. The Sur Ron at best gets 30mph.
It's great for what it is, but comparing it to a Dirt Bike is comparing my lifed golf cart to my Tesla. Just not the same category.
I'm about to put 2500 into the Sur Ron to see if I can get it closer on range and hole shot, but at that point, I'll have more into it than the YZ250
Social Garage tell it like it is, Doc.
It goes 45+ when the green looped wire is cut on the sur ron.
@@tintin6291 Green Wire is cut, it maxes at 47 on pavement, and takes its time getting there. On a trail, there is no way. A 35mph AVG on trails is a pretty brisk pace.
I do have 2300 in upgrades coming though. Bigger sprocket, bigger battery and an ANSI 8000 controller. Very curious to see how it does after that.
I will also say, on a backyard MX track, the Sur Ron is a blast. It weighs 100lbs so you can flick it all over the place
yeah just ordered a sur ron for that exact reason. Just to be able to hit some local dirt trails and have some fun close to home without driving an hour to a dirt park. Can fly under the radar and get the ya yay's out then blast back home and continue on for the day. Gonna be great.!!
Nice Review, Great Job
I really think riding the Surron on rough gets you tired quite easily, Some Works to be done with stock suspension.
The Sur ron front suspension is about as dumbed down as you can get! Seriously a USD fork for under $200 = Pony. If Fox made a USD it would be more like $1500 although at least it would be good. The KTM is riding on Factory MX suspension which is light years ahead, literally light years, so yes 100% agree, some work to be done for sure. Would love to see how a Factroy tricked out Sur Ron would compare. Less than 15 seconds me thinks, but super impressive nonetheless.
@MrHqyang Thank you! Yes you're right, the Sur-Ron is pretty rough on this terrain with the mountain bike suspension.
@Spider Monkey I hear you! The suspension is indeed night and day different. Would be interesting to do some suspension upgrades to the Sur-Ron and see how it does. Thanks for the note.
Good job! We also tuned and tested Surron in different tracks. Finally got the suspension broke and then frame broke. However, this one is not created for true enduro. And also too small for tall people...
@Silent Enduro Thanks! I agree. Where did you brake the frame?
I would love to see you compare the times with some upgrades to the sur ron, bac4000 and or 72v battery.
@Life Is Out There I know! Hoping I can put that together, would be interesting to see. Thanks for the note!
A pro circuit CR 125R would do a sub 3:40 lap time because you could be on the pipe much more as a % of the lap time. The suspension is really the difference. The KTM has years of suspension technology while the Surons just came out. Yes they are lighter and hence more nimble/flicKable but the ebikes will soon beef up their suspension and power and then it will be no match.
Not sure where the camera is located, but look into getting a "ProShot" chin mount for your camera. I always like your video's, I just wish I had not eaten breakfast an hour before watching this. Those whoops made me nauseous... I however appreciate the highlight of what a SUR_RON can do and the future potential it has. I bet you are itching for a 7200 battery... regardless, you should contact Cooper Webb while he is in Florida this week and help him on his whoops technique! You have it down! Looking forward to future vids, keep it up!
@Max Muller Haha, love your comment! Yea, I use a chin mount and have it pointed toward the sky but I'll keep working on it. Certainly don't want you to waste your breakfast. Maybe Coop can give me pointers on jumping through the whoops... He looked like he had it down in San Diego. Take care Max!
The big question, how many laps before the battery runs out and what's the charge time?
bruce baker - This guy rode a Sur Ron pretty hard in a race against other gas bikes. His battery died right at about 15miles.
ruclips.net/video/u6DzZK7UpNE/видео.html
Im not positive but I believe the charge time is about 3hrs with their 60amp quick charger.
Given track specifics, it's purely a suspension test, add a couple of wide open straigths, a couple of curves where you need to brake from speed and the deta time triples easily.
karol leszczynski rider test
how else would you test them? drag race? the dirt bike makes 5x more power.
gophop I think taking both bikes to dirt track would show that Sur Ron is not an alternative as some people think :)
@@mazoviaadv5536 Agreed there are many situation where the KTM would crush the Surron X, but no one claims a Surron X to be a track bike. It's a playbike...that happens to be able to keep up with a KTM Factory Edition (within 6%) on this particular offroad trail. This comparison was at the request of many viewers that were just curious how they compared.
Surron X shine for tight, twisting singletrack (where they would actually be faster than the KTM) and not a track or open sections where any ICE dirtbike would eat the surron alive. They are also great for slower forest service road group rides. I get about 25 - 35 miles range out of my Surron X on those types of rides. Only 20 mile range if I'm really, really hotrodding in tight, on and off the throttle and hilly trails going as fast as I can in Sport mode. These are for totally different types of rides and I still take my ICE dirtbikes for 60% - 70% of my rides. But this little surron sure has been fun. Enough that I'm now looking for a fullsize E-moto. If I has a fullsize chassis E-moto that had a solid 60 mile range taking it easy in an eco mode or 40 mile range riding aggressively, I'd be riding that for 80% of my rides.
Oh, and the Surron brakes may only be MTB components, but the bike only weighs 110 pounds so they slow and stop really good. I agree it would be interesting to see a braking test between a SurronX and various dirtbikes. I think they would come out pretty much the same in braking distance.
The track looks exhausting
@Rider Mark It's a rough one but super fun!
Awesome video, those electric bikes are pretty bad ass
Im thinking about switching from 300xc to xc-e
Sur-ron is owned by ninebot which also owns Segway. Segway has a version of this machine that - I think - has an uprated suspension. It also has swapppable batteries and an adjustable frame. Head to head test?
The segway is just a rebranded Surron. No differences except segway is also going to offer a second version with smaller battery and lower suspension. Oh, and segway is making claims of very very unrealistic battery ranges last time I checked. I contacted them on it and mentioned they were setting up their pre-order customers to be very upset because they were going to get half the range (in best case scenario) than what segway was claiming. They said they were still "evaluating final specs". I didn't look to see if segway ever changed the specs to more realistic values. Oh, and the segway was going to cost about $2,000 more...for the same bike just rebranded. One should very much consider buying a Surron X from Lunacycle and either pocketing the extra money or using it for fork and shock upgrades or controller upgrades, etc.
@@MrChadx1 Sure - I'd get the sur-ron - if it was road legal I'd get the supermoto version. The laws are so vague.
I would love see a test with the Revx bike
@Nico RuffLion Thanks for the note. That RevX bike is really intriguing. If I can get my hands on one, I will definitely do some videos with it!
The revx is a beast its double the money to sur ron i nearly test rode 1 last summer but it rained and he wouldnt let me take it out 🤮
@@ElectricCycleRider I have 2 RevX bikes in my garage and they cannot be compared to a surron as they are more of a purpose built bike with 3 maps you can change in seconds. The RevX is stronger than my surron with the 84v battery running the nucular controller. If you had a RevX to test it would have given you a lasting impression! Thanks for the Great Video.
Please do the test with Alta dirt bike vrs that KTM. Please select and match the bikes better.
I rode a dirt bike yamaha tt125 for the 1st time and damn is hard. You sir are a bad ass for going that fast!
I want a surron but I think I'll set te for either klx230 or xt250!
tbbsrr yo man a 85 would or 125 two stroke would be a good step up klx 230 and xt 250’s are heavy sluggish bikes not good for fast technical riding their suspension is also pretty basic both of those bikes are better for the road and light trails and fire roads
@tbbsrr Thanks man! Awesome to hear you're out riding and having fun. It's the most important part.
great video !
Cool channel, I always wanted an electric dirt bike. I got here from browsing/shopping for electric hub motors for my downhill bicycle.
@I M Thank you! They're fun for sure.
That Suron has the best look ...of most electric bikes, for any price! Buy a fleet and rent them out for less than one E-Harley...(you get that for free, after a month in business)
sur ron sounds like a r/c car and just hearing that takes all the fun out of it
But it's much better for hearing when you sliding or losing traction. Engines are so loud u don't know what's going on. Gimme electic and stealth any day over a loud ass bike .
Coldoh86 i know whats going on over the sound of a bike😂 i mean come on man if you cant maybe you dont belong riding or driving. I dont even make my bikes louder then stock unless that muffler gets damaged. only my trucks that cat back comes off and gets replaced with roush exhaust. Everythinf i ever owned has been loud
@@Smokey7186 I know exactly what is going on when I ride my 250 even at rev limiter because it's all in the feel of the bike my dude
Coldoh86 you just gotta feel your bike man. Half the time I have earbuds in and fucking rip it 🤙🏽
Exactly 👍🇬🇧
I love the idea of electric bikes, I really do. I especially like how lightweight they can be....BUT I live and Colorado and let me tell you, you DO NOT want to sneak up on a bull moose! He'll charge and straight up kill your ass. Think of a half ton truck ramming you against a tree, but with HORNS.
With the noise from a gas bike they hear you coming and leave - that's how a ranger explained it to me at least.
I like Gary Paulson's description: "an angry Buic with legs."
Makes sense. Don’t get trampled by a moose ;)
Would you like to test our vector Vortex ebike with 10kw?
@Vectorebike Thanks for reaching out! Yes, I'd love to test out the Vortex. Please let me know how to get in contact, my email is electriccyclerider@gmail.com
Wow, now this I would be interested in seeing. Coming from a KTM and losing the Alta market, I like the potential of this product.
the only thing a ebike is good for is ridding the little track behind your house or by track homes
They’ll be better than engines bikes in the not too distant future.
Faster &lighter just no noise which is a deal breaker for me but defo the way forward in Southern England with no where to ride
@k p Yea man, they are super fun in the backyard track.
....or going for a 35 miles forest service road ride in the mountain like I did all last year. Or 20 mile, hardcore, fast singletrack rides or OHV rides. I still love my ICE dirtbikes, but this little Surron X has me hooked on electric so I'll be buying a fullsize electric dirtbike in the next year. The new, nearly-fullsized Surron Storm looks promising. KTM freeride E-XC is nice. Zero FX would have the most range with the big 7.2 battery pack (100+ miles at 30mph). More options every week. Electric is definitely a lot more than a backyard or home track type bike ...but yes, they are also idea for home tracks because you can ride them without making a bunch of noise. Plus, each new brand, or version within a brand, of E-moto has dramatic improvements/advancements where the advancements in ICE bikes has plateaued. Small refinements, tiny hp improvements or weight savings every few years, but no big leaps that I've seen and I buy new ICE dirtbikes every few years.
Cool clip - rough ride.
I’m astonished that the time difference is not bigger. Just look at the light weight flimsy eBike.
What’s the weight comparison?
And what would be the result if the eBike was blown up - bigger engine more battery - to the KTM weight....?
Might give the KTM a harder time...
@Captain Hype TV Thanks man. The Sur-Ron weights 120 pounds. More power would definitely help get it closer but the suspension is where it needs the most attention. Thanks for watching.
@@ElectricCycleRider for sure you rode like the devil....
You riding the future.. all AMA events will have to incorporate the e bikes into the fold just like every other discipline...
Very well done video, thanks for making it. I look forward to riding electric off road bikes with no clutch or shifter.
They should call that the Honeymoon trail it’s so bumpy!!
Great video
As someone who has been involved in racing BMX, Downhill mountain bikes and MX, this is kind of a cool thing, but there is something “missing” and it’s hard to deny how sound plays such a huge role in my senses and effects the level of enjoyment. Even though a Tesla might be able to keep up with a GT3 touring (6mt) off the line, it still doesn’t give the same level of enjoyment, TO ME.
@KosmicHaynerRacingTeam Fair! I ride a lot of gas bikes too. These are just different. I'm able to ride neighborhood tracks that I absolutely cannot do on my 2T and being able to ride moto in town is a level of enjoyment that is worth noting.
Nice work, Sir.
Great video
@Jim Feaster Thanks! 👍
I didn't think anything could sound stupider than a 250 four stroke. I was sadly wrong. You camera angle made it look like you were riding a pogo stick.
that actually isnt too bad all things considered!! and the combustion engine w the ktm does produce just a ton more power and torque! awesome video!
-p3t3r
@Peter Piccolo Not too bad all things considered!
I’ve found the issue is the bike is too light, there’s a point where the extra weight plants the bike more , providing you up the power to match. Light front bouncing around gets annoying.
Dang that looks like a rough track
Hi, could you make a comparison between SUR-RON and Ktm Freeride Electric I'm very curious. Thank you
@LikiYeah I'll work on it! Thanks for reaching out.
Would be interesting what time you lay down on a modded Sur-Ron with 72V and a BAC 4000 and maybe better suspension and wheels, cause it would be still cheaper than that 250
Tucker have you done a test with the stock 19" wheel size compared to the 21×19 combo I made ya? Good to see my wheels being ridden hard,NIIIICE.Anyway the weather looks great for this and wish I wasn't in Maine right now👎.
@MAINY'AK MAINER Hey Josh, thanks for the note man. I haven't done a 19" vs. 21" test but will add it to the list. The fact that the 21"x19" setup is on my Top 5 List is proof that I'm digging them!
@@ElectricCycleRider Some people reacted to the woops in your loop. Those are kinda small for a Florida sand woods trail. Whenever we raced the GNCC OPENER in Florida down by lake okachoobi now thats some real sand woods woops! Shit like 5-6 miles of waist deep woops.! Brutal race.
Agreed at a point one man can only go so fast around a track despite what he rides.
Fact is I own that same plaid shirt
@Rt Harmon Sounds like you've got great style my man. It's a great shirt!
Is that a stock surron? I can't imagine being close to a moto bike through the breaking bumps etc
You should compare it to a 125. Also will you be getting the Sur-Ron Storm dirt bike? That would be an awesome video when that bike comes out. Love the videos man, keep it up!
@JustJayC Thanks for the note man, appreciate the kind words. That's a great call. You really have to ride the Sur-Ron like a 125, lots of throttle and it's imperative that you carry momentum in the corners. It would be a solid comparison. I've owned a few 125's but now I might have to track one down for a test! Any donors out there?
Yes, I will be doing some videos the Sur-Ron Storm when it becomes available. They are still in the R&D and testing phase with that bike but I'll be making some videos with that when the production model is ready.
Try the CZEM drill one it seems way quicker then the SUR RON.
My new Surron X (2024) is a keeper... Looking at ADV, but... The Surron would beat the shit out of them! Might get a 2024 Yamaha MT-09 for road and be super happy keeping my Surron for the dirt (trails and log roads).
Hey! Install an ERT ASI bac 4000, or 8000. These plug and play controllers are designed for the SUR RON and will beat this KTM! I’d love to see a rematch with the better controller
@KREATIVEALPINE For sure! Would be a great comparison. Hopefully ERT will let me test one out.
Electric Cycle Rider yeah that would be awesome! Thanks for putting together the great comparison
Honestly I was expecting the SUR-RON to beat the KTM! Lighter, I suppose, but I’m not sure. What’s the weight difference of the two? Also instant torque, less centrifugal force in corners (if lighter). Can you imagine that future e-bikes might have AWD? That could be a game changer! Cool video btw, subbed!
U aont accelerating as much if ur lighter as less traction more air time
Yall don't know much about motorcycles no the e bike is not heavier it's a lot lighter
One is a racing bike one is a mtb with a e engine and this course favors the bike big time course will huge hills and bumps and miles long the e bike would be left in dust reminder this is a 250 not a 450
Half the fun is the sound of the bike. But at least we can ride without pissing off the neighbors 😃
pretty cool bike
Now put the same grade suspension on the SUR-RON I bet they would be equal Wasnt hard to see the mountain bike didnt ride as well
what type of suspension prep was done on this Suron? bike suspension means alot to lap times. that suron front end was pushing and diving a ton more than the ktm
What a beautiful track
Them gloves that he is using are great
Would like to see this again with an upgraded battery and controller in the sur ron x
Do a tricked 2 stroke vs E-bike comparison ....good video thanks
How about trying the Motocross bike on a MOTOCROSS track instead of a single track and comparing? The sxf is more out of it's element here but the sur Ron more in .
@KooLaidblue I don't think the SXF is out of its element at all...