I agree. My problem with a lot of the newer Roland and Yamaha are using cable snakes on modules that would be great if not for that. I know this is not the case with flagship modules but others that were in my price range at the time and had decent samples (ie td-27, TD-25, TD-15, etc) but all used a cable snake. Those should be used on the $500 range Alesis and Simmons kits, not by Roland or Yamaha. I did finally scrape the cabbage together for a Roland TD-29. Thanks for the informative videos. Had it not been for you I wouldn’t be using a keyboard amp on my kit right now. Much more reasonably priced and sounds great! 👍
Thanks for your video. It's always interesting to know about modules releases and cycles. I just watch this video after buying old Roland TD-8 and Roland TD-6V modules (one for backup if one dies) for fairly cheap prices (150$ and 100$) haha. I don't care about the sounds because the goal is to replace the died module of my old crappy edrums set. I just wanted a cheap trigger interface to connect my drums kit to my computer and use VST plugins. It's maybe not the best deal for the wallet but I learned a lot and it's so much fun to build your custom kit and learn about edrums.
Thank god, good electronic drum manufacturers do not come out with new modules in shorter cycles. What happens if a product is released too early can be perfectly seen with the Alesis Strike Pro. An unfinished drum set/ module with so countless issues. I prefer companies having more time to make a proper product. An example is the Videogame industry I worked in. If you have too early deadlines, you cannot fix all issues of a Game and release it unfinished with many flaws. Good publishers like Rockstar, on the other hand, push the release, to not release crap.
There's a balance to be found between quality, and getting a product out there. I do not believe we should patiently wait 8 YEARS between every electronic drum upgrade. I understand the video game situation, I've heard of the terrible conditions those studios force on the programers. But a drum module is much easier to make thana new Grand Theft Auto entry.
Ok, 8 years is definitely too long, but 4 years is fine for me. Still, I wish Alesis would have made a faster software (and a drumset that works as advertised) and Pearl would have made a nicer graphical user interface for the Mimic. If it was me, they could have taken more time to do so. Same with ATV, when we tested it, it was not really done. I know upgrades and patches fix these issues, but I personally would not spend 1000 bugs to wait for an upgrade that MIGHT fixes the flaws. I want something that works out of the box. I also think there has to be a point in making a new module. You said there should be a TD-11 module follow up in one video if I am not wrong. But are there enough new features to legitimise a new entry-mid class module? If the sound won't be better, there is nothing that needs to be improved with it.
Finding a TD-30 for 1000 is really rare. The last I found for 1000$ was a scam and got blocked by the platform. I was warned by them because of "fraudulent activities". In my experience, they mostly go for 1300-1500$. Don't forget, V-drums gear is used by a lot of scammer in UK and Germany. Don't know about the US, but here it is common.
I know it's very rare to find it for that price, but the prices are obviously headed in that direction. I agree about fraud, scammers love to trick drummers with roland gear on ebay
People take your money and never ship them. Make sure the person can prof his details to you, ask for more picks ad rather collect the thing in person. On ebay it should be ok, if the seller has a good reputation. And the most important one: See if the deal is too good to be true. If the product costs much less than everywhere else, leave it.
Great Video! So I agree you with completely about electronic drum companies taking far too long to release new products and I think I know why. It's because the demand for electronic drums is still very small as a percentage of the total drum-buying market and it's not enough to warrant more frequent development of new drum modules and pads. But this doesn't explain the disparity between a company like Alesis vs a company like Roland. Alesis is making new stuff at about twice the rate that Roland is. BUT! Since they're selling products that are also about half the price (and usually half the quality), their customers are more likely to either upgrade or replace their drums sets much more often. Roland figures that if someone is going to spend $5000 on a drum set today, that they're probably not gonna wanna buy another one for at least the next 4 or 5 years. So why create a new flagship drum set every 2 years? But Alesis figures that if someone is only spending $1000 for a drum set than they might be willing to buy something new within the next 2 to 3 years, or sooner. There's also the fact that Alesis products are made more cheaply and will need replacing a lot sooner than something made by Roland. And this is actually a planned thing on the part of Alesis. Kind of like "planned obsolescence." So it's two different strategies: Roland makes higher quality, longer-lasting products, for which they charge more money and probably make a higher profit percentage from each individual sale, but there are ultimately fewer sales because of all this. Alesis makes cheaper products, that don't last as long, for which they charge less money and generate a smaller profit margin, but this allows them to sell their products to a larger market of drummers than Roland. Which strategy is ultimately better is a conversation for a 300-level college business class. But I can guarantee that these are the conscious decisions companies like Roland and Alesis are making, and it's why they release new products as often, or as un-often, as they do. But again, this is only because of the current supply/demand landscape of the electronic drum market. As the amount of people using electronic drums increases, we should see a shift in the frequency of companies like Alesis and Roland releasing new products. We could also see an increase in the number of electronic drum companies in general, which could adversely slow down companies like Roland and Alesis from making new products as the increase in demand is simply absorbed by the increase in supply from these new companies. New or existing companies could also come out of the woodworks and start making better products - like we've just recently already seen with Pearl and the Mimic Pro. How is it that all of a sudden a company with an almost negligible presence in the industry is now selling "the best" drum module in the world. It just shows that can anything happen. Remember Hyundai two decades ago? They went from being a s!#$ brand to one of the most respected car companies in the world. These are the events that are going to really push the industry forward and force companies like Roland and Alesis to step it up with the technology they put out. This is also going to effectively help increase the demand for electronic drum products in general, which of course should increase the incentive of ALL companies to create new products more frequently. We're going to see more and more drummer turning to the dark side as they realize how amazing these products can be for practicing, playing live, and recording. I imagine the industry will eventually peak-out with electronic drum sales comprising almost 50% of the total drum-buying market, but that's probably as far as it will ever go. Even so, imagine how many different companies will be around at that point, as well as the technology that will be available to us and the variety of different modules and pads at different price points. Anyways, what I can't figure out is why the technology is so far behind what it should be. The Mimic Pro is the only module that is really using current technology, but it's still way too expensive considering how cheap it's become to manufacture high-speed computers and touch screen interfaces. For f!@# sake, the Mimic Pro is as expensive as buying TWO top-of-the-line iPad Pro's, and a single iPad Pro is arguably a lot more powerful of a product with way more functionality, except in this one area - obviously it does not have nearly the input/output capabilities of even the most basic drum modules. But still, there's no reason why the Mimic Pro needs to cost over $2000 when you can get an incredibly powerful tablet or computer for that that kind of money. And this is exactly why so many people would rather just buy a cheap drum module and use a computer, that they already own, to run a VST that has way better sounds and functionality. Either way, Roland REALLY needs to make something similar to the Mimic Pro, and they need to do it fast. If they make something like the Mimic Pro that also has the USB inputs, that would be the end of it. Then Pearl would have to either create their own USB-trigger input technology or compete based on the quality and variety of internal sounds, which they are already the leader of. Another thing I'd really like to see is Roland making a MIDI-only trigger interface like the Alesis Trigger I/O. I'm sure it would be crazy overpriced but at least it would cater to the many electronic drummers who only use VSTs. Just take the TD-30, wipe out all internal sounds and recording junk, and keep all the triggering functionality. They could even increase the number of trigger inputs so you can do a monster kit. Anyways, I'll just keep dreaming. Thanks again Justin!
I have a TD-20X and looking to upgrade. I like the TD30 over the TD50 since it has more built in instrument choices and still includes the TD20 kits, some of which I love. The overall issue that comes to mind with my upgrade decision is that 80-90% of the kits built into these modules are unusable to me, as I would suspect to most drummers. I really wish that instead of having all these bizarre kits with weird sounds, Roland would include some artist kits that mimic kits from great drummers in the past. For example, Neil Peart's 70's Tama, or Bonham's Ludwig kit. Could easily come up with a long list of artist kits that would be awesome to have on the Roland module. Yeah, you can buy VEX kits and upload, but to me the audio quality of those kits isn't all that great, and if Roland developed them they would be better quality and be built into the module. There might be some royalty issues, but seems like a big company like Roland could manage that.
I really rate the td 10 and the td30 ove had my td9 for 12 years and its still fine. The td9 is good for practice as it does note placement on the screen ..the only module to do this i believe
May I ask about the td17 and td27, how do they fit in to the td20, 30 and 50 upgrade pattern. The td17 Bluetooth option is brilliant. You can play along to anything.
Hey man, love your channel. I need some advice, I’ve been thinking of expanding my kit and my actual module right now is the td11, which I only use with VST Ezdrummer. I started buying new drum pads and cymbals from Lemon. My question is, which used module should I buy, the more aux connections the better. Would td10 be a good option? Td20 and more are too expensive for my buck. Cheers!
Got the td-15 got it for like 240$ on eBay. It has midi, usb, extra aux pad spot, pretty solid. Going to look into vst or software to update the sounds but I still think if I can afford an upgrade to a 30. So I agree with you and won’t buy any other module, unless I get a super price on something else
Hi Justin, I have the chance to get a TD10 module. You wrote is to old, because of the lag of USB and the bad sounds. So, as I am using an audio interface and VST instruments it should be usable? What about the hihat controller settings and latency, will that be an issue on that module? I came to the edrums through my wife. She proposed to buy a small kit for the kids. I'm basically a metal drummer, so I told her that edrums suck, at least the cheaper ones :)). -- In the end, since Christmas 2019 I am triggered. With a Millenium MPS-850 and EZDrummer2! As physicist I love the combination of notes and volts. You know what i mean! And its the huge variety of sounds that one can create with such an edrum kit. Percussion, especially chromatic percussion. Since Christmas I "played" on snare drums and cymbals and shells that other "acoustic" guys haven't ever seen. I got 3 EZD expansions und several VST instruments. Now I'm in the microcontroller programming to build my own Arduino piezo trigger to MIDI interface, for one shot trigger pads etc. ... So I love edrums a little more than the acoustic ones, for now... because its so near to what I like since years: electronics, computer. After several weeks I hooked up a oscilloscope the check the latency ... so i'm done... Now, Im using the Millenium MPS-850 together with the Audiofront eDRUMin interface and testing my second hihat controller build with a force sensitive resistor :-) Thanks for your videos! Greetings from Germany!
Why don’t you become a marketing director or smt like that in those drum companies?) I think you have a good understanding of customer experience in this niche
Hi Justin, I just subscribed to your channel. Really great content and informative info. I've been a drummer for over 30yrs and have owned so many acoustic and electronic kits over the years I forget half of them..lol. I'm currently playing the Yamaha DTX400K for about 5yrs main reason I bought it was no beater for the kick and no hi hat stand to make audible noise in my upstairs apartment and get my home studio up and running. Good little kit but I've been seriously considering buying the new Alesis Strike Pro - 6-piece seeing that I live in a house now. What are your thoughts on this new kit and have you had the chance to play one yet? Thanks..Geddy Costello
I forgot to mention I'm running Steven Slate Drums 4.0 Platinum, SD2 and Abby Road Drums and I will be purchasing Superior Drummer 3 it will be my VST of choice on the Alesis Strike. I never use the factory kits.
Hoping someone with knowledge will see this. I played a td10 like a mad professor for quite a few years. Still have it, but obviously the memory card and other limitations make it shite compared to 20,30,50. I lost an Ebay bid war on a 20 recently for a pretty decent price.. but I think i wanted to, as Im not too keen on the no USB port/s. My main interests in upgrade aren't as much todo with extreme 'natural' sounds/playability as is the sequencer, and the connectivity/usb and memory/save ability. My main question... Is the 30 "better" than the 20 because of natural aspects like cymbal/hat etc... or are there other significant factors that make it better? Would a midi/usb port make the 20 basically usb accessible? Is the 30 memory card situation much better than the 20? Is the 20's 'compact flash' becoming obsolete? (Im not tech savvy) I want to use the V's to produce cyberhop more than as a 'drumkit' for a band situation (even though the recording&hybrid applications are definitely on my list) I hope im making sense and someone can extract my 'questions' and give opinions/answers Thx! Ps.. is the 20 'screen issue' common?
Should I upgrade a td-30kv with full cymbal/pads in all AUX? Upgrade to TD-50 module, snare, and Ride? I really won't need the extra snare and ride but it would upgrade a aux cymbal and a pad. I don't see TD-50's or 30's used for the prices you mentioned but just wonder what you think or any other drummer out there. I record a lot with SD3 It's around $3249 for that upgrade on sweetwater.
Talking about USB midi, the TD15 does it (withI assume the most recent firmware update) I did it recently for a band promo. However, I recorded real cymbals at the same time and there's a noticeable lag between when I hit the drum and to when the midi notes appeared. I am basing this off the audio waveforms from the over heads. I had to nudge every take forward just a smidge. I don't know if this is to with Logic or something within the midi to usb conversion on the TD15.
Do you know if the TD 50 has the TD 30 sound bank in it? As does the TD 30 has the TD 20 in it. I found it by accident one day while using one of your old videos learning how to navigate my TD 30. It's kind of cool to put it in the retro module mode. The reason I ask is that I really love some of the stock sets that are in the 30 and I dont want to lose them via an upgrade to the TD 50.
I love this channel, congratulations!!! I have a doubt, I have a roland td12 for the last 10 years and I don't have any problem , now someone offer me the new alesis strike especial edition, I don't know if is it a good change. Please give me your opinion, thanks a lot...
Really good channel, some amazing information about Edrums. I'm finally looking to get a new Edrum kit after 13 years of using my dear old Yamaha DTXpress IV :). I'm looking at building a set from parts, and using the TD-25 Module. One thing I would really love to know about the module is, can I use the Roland PDX-100 pads as Toms, and will I be able to take advantage of the positional sensing that they have? I've just upgraded from superior drummer 2.0 to 3.0 and would like to take advantage of the multiple tom tom sounds?
65 Drums, thanks for the reply dude. I noticed in some of Rolands conference videos that the td-30 has tom positional sensing, plus I can use the vh-13 foot pressure feature with it. I think thats the choice of champions :) Keep up the good work my man.
Thanks for all the videos. Keep up the good work. I've had a TD-10 for a long time and it has served me very well but I'm thinking I'm going to have to upgrade the module soon. I'm leaning toward the TD-30 or the Pearl Mimic Pro. I could see myself being comfortable with the TD-30 but I would like to explore what the Pearl has to offer. Problem is it is too new and doesn't seem to be in any stores nearby. One of the things I need is for it to be able to pitch bend. I use it in some songs I play with my band and, even though it is a small detail, it might be a deal breaker for me. Do you happen to know if the Pearl does that? Also, you mentioned the TD-50 will record multi tracks. We are getting ready to record some songs and I wondered if the Pearl might be able to output multiple tracks. Thanks again!
You can pitch-tune the drums sounds in the Mimic Pro - a very useful feature that I use myself. The Mimic Pro has 6 on-board fully assignable 1/4" TRS (TRS = balanced) outputs as well as a "DB25" serial port output from which you can connect an aftermarket cable-snake (typically costs about $50-100) that gives you 8 additional fully assignable outputs. And these outputs can be either 1/4" TRS or XLR, depending on which type of DB25 cable snake you purchase. By "fully assignable" I mean that, from within the module, you can route the sounds triggered by any of the module's inputs (snare, kick, crash 1, crash 2, ride, aux 1, aux 2, etc...) to any one, or more, of the 14 outputs. You can also do things like combine all of your toms or cymbals together into a 2-channel stereo output. So your output assignments might look like this: CH 1 - Kick CH 2 - Snare CH 3 - Hi-Hat CH 4 - Ride CH 5 - Toms (left) CH 6 - Toms (right) CH 7 - Cymbals (left) CH 8 - Cymbals (right) CH 9 - Percussion (left) CH 10 - Percussion (right) CH 11 - Splash cymbals (left) CH 12 - Splash cymbals (right) You cannot, however, use the module itself as an audio recording interface, bypassing a physical audio mixer, the way you can with the TD-50. This means that you will still need an external mixer interface to plug the module's output channels into so that you can record them with a computer program (DAW - digital audio workstation) like Logic or Pro Tools. But comparatively, the Mimic Pro is still more versatile in this aspect because it allows for 14 independent recording output channels vs the TD-50 which can do up to 10, and only when you use the module itself as the audio interface. So the example above would stop at channel 10 and you'd have to combine the "splash cymbals" into the regular cymbals' stereo output on channels 7 and 8. And also, in this method you cannot simultaneously record other instruments like bass or guitar because the TD-50 acts as a drum-only recording interface and obviously does not host other input channels for things like guitar or bass. Development of future drum modules should consider this as a possible feature, however, because it could save people from also having to buy external audio mixers just to do some basic home recording. It needs to be noted as well that the TD-50 also has 8 "on-board" outputs in the back of the module that can be used the same way as the 14 outputs on the Mimic Pro. What you need to consider though, is that most USB audio mixer interfaces only allow for two channels of simultaneous recording into a DAW. And the default assignment of the two channels going into the DAW is usually a stereo output of everything connected the mixer. So if you have a 12-channel USB mixer with a guitar on channel 1 and a bass on channel 2, you're DAW will default to a single channel stereo input from channels 1 and 2 on the mixer. So unless stated otherwise, this is all you can do with most USB audio interfaces. So for true multi-track drum recording you'll need a more powerful Thunderbolt- or FireWire-type audio mixer that allows for all of it's input channels to be recorded simultaneously through a DAW. For instance, I use the Presonus StudioLive 16.0.2, which employs a FireWire connection and has 16 inputs that can all be recorded, as separate tracks, at the same time in a DAW. The most advanced scenario I could do would be to record from the 14 channels coming from the Mimic Pro, and then have a guitar and bassist also recording in the same session. That would essentially "max-out" my mixer's (and computer's) recording capabilities. I would never really do this, but it's nice to have the technology available. But this goes to another important factor for you to consider, and that is the amount of input channels your computer can record at once before running into problems. I currently use a Mac Mini from 2012 that has a 2.8ghz quad-core i7 with a solid state hard drive and 16gb of DDR3 ram, and sometimes I've had issues while trying to record as few as 4 channels at once, including one MIDI VST channel. So even if I did set up my mixer to input all 14 channels from the Mimic Pro, my computer probably couldn't even handle it. This is where you get into the 8-core, 16gb+ computing land. And that is what would make me go with PC over MAC. I can build a custom PC with the capabilities of a $2000 Apple computer for almost a third of the cost. The good news, however, is that computers are continuing to go down in price for how powerful they are becoming and it's allowing average consumers to afford the type of recording gear and computer processing abilities once available only to the professional market. Eventually, computers that can easily handle recording 14 channels at once, with no latency, are going to reach the sub-$1000 price range. I'd even bet that some computer person out there would argue that they can build a computer powerful enough to do all that, today, for less than $1000. Anyways, I hope this all helps.
Thank you Peter! I would still love to get my hands on a Mimic Pro to play it first hand. I don't think the internal recording capability of the TD-50 is that big a deal. I would be sending the output to my computer and into Ableton or something like it. So what you are saying makes the Pearl seem like a better deal at this point. Thanks again!!!
In thinking of upgrading my roland kit with some better tom pads, but I don't have enough to spend on roland pads unless I save, is it worth buying alesis pads or should I just wait?
Can you tell me whether the td50 has the ability to download a sample package that changes randomly, as in the library? That is, the kick is the same,but sounds different due to the fact that samples change each other from the pack .
Love the channel. I’ve had my e drums for a few years now and was looking to upgrade my module. I have a Alesis DM10. Sorta wanted to upgrade it. I was curious if you could give me some advice as to what I can upgrade to that would have the same amount of inputs. You seem like your channel is filled with great content by the way. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks again for your time
Eddy Dishart I didn’t upgrade. I still have the Alesis. For the price and my purpose (for jam sessions) it works best for me. I still use it with no issues. If you have the money, I would get the Roland. Just depends on what you’re looking for
@@Zoso7227 thx.. i actually played the td10 for years. Still have it and it still works well...but the memory card situation for it sux.. im looking at used 20s & 30s right now.. just wanted to see what you thought about the Alesis Thx for the reply!
Right now I have a td25 module and it sounds awesome but there simply isn't enough features, sounds and user kits to have the different kits I wanna make. Would the td20 or td12 be a good option to switch to or would it be for the best just to go for the td30 module? Trying to keep it as cheap as possible. Thanks
I was interested in a TD-20 used, since I only use SD3 for my drumming... sadly, I seem to have missed the best opportunities. At least in Germany, a TD-20W / TD-20X regularly still goes for around 1000€ (around $1180 US currently). I saw some used a few months ago for the $600 you're talking about, but did not have the cash back then. Question: If I bought a TD-20 from the US, is the integrated power supply capable of dealing with 230V (used in Germany)? It seems there are plenty used TD-20s available in the US and it seems the only difference in inputs between the TD-20 and TD-20X is that the two stereo inputs for the ride were replaced by a single three-way input?
@@SchwappSchwopp hi! Hab inzwischen nen anderen RUclips Account... ich hab mir am Ende dann nie ein TD20 gekauft. Aktuell benutze ich ein TD11 und das funktioniert, abgesehen von der fehlenden Positionserkennung auf der Snare und den relativ begrenzten Eingängen, problemlos mit Superior Drummer 3. Wenn Du ohne Positionserkennung auf der Snare leben kannst, würde ich Dir empfehlen, einfach das kleinste Roland-Modul mit USB-Anschluss (dürften inzwischen alle haben) zu nehmen, das genügend Eingänge für dein aktuelles Kit und eventuelle Upgrades in den nächsten Jahren hat.
@@MR-vg7yn danke für die schnelle Antwort, hätte ich nicht erwartet! Ich habe selbst ein TD11 zu Hause und im Proberaum ein Jobeky Set mit drumtec diabolo snare sowie Roland und Lemon cymbals. Das Set habe ich versucht mit dem eDRUMIN10 zu bespielen aber habe leider nicht genug Zeit mich dareinzufuchsen. Daher suche ich das beste und günstigste Modul mit snare und ride (CY15R oder Lemon Ride 18“) Positional sensing, ohne kabelbaum und einem preset für meine VH12 hihat - welches Modul wäre optimal?
@@SchwappSchwopp Hm.... also ohne Kabelbaum und mit Positional Sensing für die Ride bist Du vermutlich mit dem eDrumIn 10 schon ziemlich gut dabei. (Wo hast das Ding her? Ist ja derzeit leider für Ewigkeiten nicht lieferbar) Bei Roland brauchst Du für Positional Sensing, soweit ich weiß, schon mal mindestens das TD-27 oder das TD-50. Ohne Kabelbaum bleibt dann nur noch das TD-50, und günstig ist wirklich anders.
@@MR-vg7yn habe meins von eBay Kleinanzeigen war aber quasi wie neu. Behalte das Teil wohl auch erstmal aber hab aktuell nicht die Ressourcen dafür. Dachte mit einem Roland Modul dauert das Einstellen wohl nur 1-2 std. Ich glaube auch ältere Module haben pos. sensing, zB das 12,20 usw. Ich werde mal weiterschauen, danke dir!
2023 now and we’re still waiting on that ‘TD-60’ … Given how good the TD-27 is, a new Roland flagship module can’t be far off … ?! Though, perhaps Roland’s recent purchase of DW (and the eDW tech) will change whatever timeframes they had planned before that … The TD-50 still competes well enough with the Mimic(?) … and I don’t think anyone is dying for digital crash cymbals or digital toms … ?! Also, we probably have another 12 months of financial turmoil, affected chip supply(?) and - worst of all - war in Europe, ahead of us … 😕
The year isn't even half over yet, it can still happen ;) but in all seriousness, it's very hard to predict Roland. I talked to a rep about this once. And they claim a new product is only released when it's done, and they think the market needs it. My current guess, is they'll call it the TD70. Because they are using the number 7 in most of their newer kits right now
I feel like quality might get worse with less time in-between. Just like an I phone every year new phone- almost no improvement even with android getting way better (So there is competition).
But there is significant progress over time in phones over time. You won't get a new phone every year that's twice as good as the last one. But over 3-5 years, you'll see big progress whether it's an iphone or an android
I couldn't justify 2 grand every couple years so for me the software upgrades with the older module is the way to go. (Superior drummer 3 with a td 12)
why is everyone hating on the strike pro kit and sounds, it sounds fine to me, the kit looks nice as hell, but everyone says its a pile of shit and i'm having trouble understanding why
I've heard most of the demos for the Strike module and I agree that the sounds are not "bad," and that people shouldn't be shitting on them so much. It's just that for today's market, the sounds are pretty sub-par - they still have that dull and chalky Alesis sound going on, and that's not acceptable anymore. Not when computer processing and hard drive storage technology is where it is today. Even though Alesis has very competitive pricing, we're talking about a drum kit that cost over $1500 but has the sound quality of a Roland drum kit that would cost nearly half that. But with Alesis drum kits, you're mainly paying for the drums themselves. For instance, I just bought a DM-10 MKII Pro kit for $1300 and am selling the module on eBay for around $300. This means that I've essentially bought 5 10-12" mesh head toms, 4 12-16" cymbals, an 8" mesh head kick drum, and some very nice rack and hardware gear, all for about $1000. Break down a Strike kit the same way and you can easily conclude that when you buy an Alesis drum kit, the drums themselves are what you're paying for. The module is almost like this bonus piece they throw in on the side just to get you started off, even though no one would wanna use it permanently. But I think it's great because you can get these great drums for super cheap and use the money from the sale of the module to either buy another module or something like a high-end snare drum, like the kind you'd get from Drum-tec or Jobecky. And also to your point - if we're talking about only using the drum module just to trigger a VST, than no one should be saying anything bad about the Strike module. I also think it's very cool and elegant looking for it's price range and non-electronic drummer people will be very impressed. I finally got a chance to see a Strike kit in person at my local Sam Ash and I was extremely impressed by it's looks. I wish I was rich so I could buy one just have as an extra drum set.
I don't really understand your obsession with modules. There is not a single module on the planet, including Pearl Mimic Pro, that will ever match sound quality and flexibility of something like Superior Drummer. Heck, I can dial in a kit inside Logic Pro Drummer better than anything inside any of these modules and at a fraction of the time it takes diving through the menus. Speaking of those menus - it's like Roland is trolling people at this point.
I love your videos on EDrums I can tell you put a lot of time in to get your info.Keep it up.RUclips needs more drum channels like yours.
Dude I really appreciate it Wesley! try to put alot time into research, I'm glad someone noticed :)
Great round up Justin - It would be great if you'd consider doing an update to this in the near future.
Thanks for the insight/clarification about this topic, Justin 👍
Glad you liked it man thanks!
I agree. My problem with a lot of the newer Roland and Yamaha are using cable snakes on modules that would be great if not for that. I know this is not the case with flagship modules but others that were in my price range at the time and had decent samples (ie td-27, TD-25, TD-15, etc) but all used a cable snake. Those should be used on the $500 range Alesis and Simmons kits, not by Roland or Yamaha. I did finally scrape the cabbage together for a Roland TD-29.
Thanks for the informative videos. Had it not been for you I wouldn’t be using a keyboard amp on my kit right now. Much more reasonably priced and sounds great! 👍
*TD-20 that is
Thanks for your video. It's always interesting to know about modules releases and cycles. I just watch this video after buying old Roland TD-8 and Roland TD-6V modules (one for backup if one dies) for fairly cheap prices (150$ and 100$) haha. I don't care about the sounds because the goal is to replace the died module of my old crappy edrums set. I just wanted a cheap trigger interface to connect my drums kit to my computer and use VST plugins. It's maybe not the best deal for the wallet but I learned a lot and it's so much fun to build your custom kit and learn about edrums.
Thank god, good electronic drum manufacturers do not come out with new modules in shorter cycles. What happens if a product is released too early can be perfectly seen with the Alesis Strike Pro. An unfinished drum set/ module with so countless issues. I prefer companies having more time to make a proper product. An example is the Videogame industry I worked in. If you have too early deadlines, you cannot fix all issues of a Game and release it unfinished with many flaws. Good publishers like Rockstar, on the other hand, push the release, to not release crap.
There's a balance to be found between quality, and getting a product out there. I do not believe we should patiently wait 8 YEARS between every electronic drum upgrade. I understand the video game situation, I've heard of the terrible conditions those studios force on the programers. But a drum module is much easier to make thana new Grand Theft Auto entry.
Ok, 8 years is definitely too long, but 4 years is fine for me. Still, I wish Alesis would have made a faster software (and a drumset that works as advertised) and Pearl would have made a nicer graphical user interface for the Mimic. If it was me, they could have taken more time to do so. Same with ATV, when we tested it, it was not really done. I know upgrades and patches fix these issues, but I personally would not spend 1000 bugs to wait for an upgrade that MIGHT fixes the flaws. I want something that works out of the box.
I also think there has to be a point in making a new module. You said there should be a TD-11 module follow up in one video if I am not wrong. But are there enough new features to legitimise a new entry-mid class module? If the sound won't be better, there is nothing that needs to be improved with it.
Finding a TD-30 for 1000 is really rare. The last I found for 1000$ was a scam and got blocked by the platform. I was warned by them because of "fraudulent activities". In my experience, they mostly go for 1300-1500$. Don't forget, V-drums gear is used by a lot of scammer in UK and Germany. Don't know about the US, but here it is common.
I know it's very rare to find it for that price, but the prices are obviously headed in that direction. I agree about fraud, scammers love to trick drummers with roland gear on ebay
I intend to pick up a TD-30 used. What scams should I be looking for?
People take your money and never ship them. Make sure the person can prof his details to you, ask for more picks ad rather collect the thing in person. On ebay it should be ok, if the seller has a good reputation. And the most important one: See if the deal is too good to be true. If the product costs much less than everywhere else, leave it.
Ok cool thanks. I will be doing it on EBAY for sure.
Great Video! So I agree you with completely about electronic drum companies taking far too long to release new products and I think I know why. It's because the demand for electronic drums is still very small as a percentage of the total drum-buying market and it's not enough to warrant more frequent development of new drum modules and pads. But this doesn't explain the disparity between a company like Alesis vs a company like Roland. Alesis is making new stuff at about twice the rate that Roland is. BUT! Since they're selling products that are also about half the price (and usually half the quality), their customers are more likely to either upgrade or replace their drums sets much more often. Roland figures that if someone is going to spend $5000 on a drum set today, that they're probably not gonna wanna buy another one for at least the next 4 or 5 years. So why create a new flagship drum set every 2 years? But Alesis figures that if someone is only spending $1000 for a drum set than they might be willing to buy something new within the next 2 to 3 years, or sooner. There's also the fact that Alesis products are made more cheaply and will need replacing a lot sooner than something made by Roland. And this is actually a planned thing on the part of Alesis. Kind of like "planned obsolescence."
So it's two different strategies:
Roland makes higher quality, longer-lasting products, for which they charge more money and probably make a higher profit percentage from each individual sale, but there are ultimately fewer sales because of all this.
Alesis makes cheaper products, that don't last as long, for which they charge less money and generate a smaller profit margin, but this allows them to sell their products to a larger market of drummers than Roland.
Which strategy is ultimately better is a conversation for a 300-level college business class. But I can guarantee that these are the conscious decisions companies like Roland and Alesis are making, and it's why they release new products as often, or as un-often, as they do. But again, this is only because of the current supply/demand landscape of the electronic drum market. As the amount of people using electronic drums increases, we should see a shift in the frequency of companies like Alesis and Roland releasing new products. We could also see an increase in the number of electronic drum companies in general, which could adversely slow down companies like Roland and Alesis from making new products as the increase in demand is simply absorbed by the increase in supply from these new companies. New or existing companies could also come out of the woodworks and start making better products - like we've just recently already seen with Pearl and the Mimic Pro. How is it that all of a sudden a company with an almost negligible presence in the industry is now selling "the best" drum module in the world. It just shows that can anything happen. Remember Hyundai two decades ago? They went from being a s!#$ brand to one of the most respected car companies in the world. These are the events that are going to really push the industry forward and force companies like Roland and Alesis to step it up with the technology they put out. This is also going to effectively help increase the demand for electronic drum products in general, which of course should increase the incentive of ALL companies to create new products more frequently. We're going to see more and more drummer turning to the dark side as they realize how amazing these products can be for practicing, playing live, and recording. I imagine the industry will eventually peak-out with electronic drum sales comprising almost 50% of the total drum-buying market, but that's probably as far as it will ever go. Even so, imagine how many different companies will be around at that point, as well as the technology that will be available to us and the variety of different modules and pads at different price points.
Anyways, what I can't figure out is why the technology is so far behind what it should be. The Mimic Pro is the only module that is really using current technology, but it's still way too expensive considering how cheap it's become to manufacture high-speed computers and touch screen interfaces. For f!@# sake, the Mimic Pro is as expensive as buying TWO top-of-the-line iPad Pro's, and a single iPad Pro is arguably a lot more powerful of a product with way more functionality, except in this one area - obviously it does not have nearly the input/output capabilities of even the most basic drum modules. But still, there's no reason why the Mimic Pro needs to cost over $2000 when you can get an incredibly powerful tablet or computer for that that kind of money. And this is exactly why so many people would rather just buy a cheap drum module and use a computer, that they already own, to run a VST that has way better sounds and functionality. Either way, Roland REALLY needs to make something similar to the Mimic Pro, and they need to do it fast. If they make something like the Mimic Pro that also has the USB inputs, that would be the end of it. Then Pearl would have to either create their own USB-trigger input technology or compete based on the quality and variety of internal sounds, which they are already the leader of. Another thing I'd really like to see is Roland making a MIDI-only trigger interface like the Alesis Trigger I/O. I'm sure it would be crazy overpriced but at least it would cater to the many electronic drummers who only use VSTs. Just take the TD-30, wipe out all internal sounds and recording junk, and keep all the triggering functionality. They could even increase the number of trigger inputs so you can do a monster kit. Anyways, I'll just keep dreaming.
Thanks again Justin!
Still use the TD 10 to this day. Works great with reaper software
I have a TD-20X and looking to upgrade. I like the TD30 over the TD50 since it has more built in instrument choices and still includes the TD20 kits, some of which I love. The overall issue that comes to mind with my upgrade decision is that 80-90% of the kits built into these modules are unusable to me, as I would suspect to most drummers. I really wish that instead of having all these bizarre kits with weird sounds, Roland would include some artist kits that mimic kits from great drummers in the past. For example, Neil Peart's 70's Tama, or Bonham's Ludwig kit. Could easily come up with a long list of artist kits that would be awesome to have on the Roland module. Yeah, you can buy VEX kits and upload, but to me the audio quality of those kits isn't all that great, and if Roland developed them they would be better quality and be built into the module. There might be some royalty issues, but seems like a big company like Roland could manage that.
I really rate the td 10 and the td30 ove had my td9 for 12 years and its still fine. The td9 is good for practice as it does note placement on the screen ..the only module to do this i believe
May I ask about the td17 and td27, how do they fit in to the td20, 30 and 50 upgrade pattern. The td17 Bluetooth option is brilliant. You can play along to anything.
Hey man, love your channel. I need some advice, I’ve been thinking of expanding my kit and my actual module right now is the td11, which I only use with VST Ezdrummer. I started buying new drum pads and cymbals from Lemon. My question is, which used module should I buy, the more aux connections the better. Would td10 be a good option? Td20 and more are too expensive for my buck. Cheers!
Got the td-15 got it for like 240$ on eBay. It has midi, usb, extra aux pad spot, pretty solid. Going to look into vst or software to update the sounds but I still think if I can afford an upgrade to a 30. So I agree with you and won’t buy any other module, unless I get a super price on something else
Hi Justin, I have the chance to get a TD10 module. You wrote is to old, because of the lag of USB and the bad sounds. So, as I am using an audio interface and VST instruments it should be usable? What about the hihat controller settings and latency, will that be an issue on that module?
I came to the edrums through my wife. She proposed to buy a small kit for the kids. I'm basically a metal drummer, so I told her that edrums suck, at least the cheaper ones :)). -- In the end, since Christmas 2019 I am triggered. With a Millenium MPS-850 and EZDrummer2! As physicist I love the combination of notes and volts. You know what i mean! And its the huge variety of sounds that one can create with such an edrum kit. Percussion, especially chromatic percussion. Since Christmas I "played" on snare drums and cymbals and shells that other "acoustic" guys haven't ever seen. I got 3 EZD expansions und several VST instruments. Now I'm in the microcontroller programming to build my own Arduino piezo trigger to MIDI interface, for one shot trigger pads etc. ... So I love edrums a little more than the acoustic ones, for now... because its so near to what I like since years: electronics, computer. After several weeks I hooked up a oscilloscope the check the latency ... so i'm done... Now, Im using the Millenium MPS-850 together with the Audiofront eDRUMin interface and testing my second hihat controller build with a force sensitive resistor :-) Thanks for your videos! Greetings from Germany!
Why don’t you become a marketing director or smt like that in those drum companies?) I think you have a good understanding of customer experience in this niche
Is getting a TD10 worth getting now. The full set.
Annnnnddd the TD-71 came out in 2025. Love this channel!
Oh wow I forgot I made this video. Feels like a long time ago
@@65Drums You do make a lot of videos. It is appreciated.
Hi Justin, I just subscribed to your channel. Really great content and informative info. I've been a drummer for over 30yrs and have owned so many acoustic and electronic kits over the years I forget half of them..lol. I'm currently playing the Yamaha DTX400K for about 5yrs main reason I bought it was no beater for the kick and no hi hat stand to make audible noise in my upstairs apartment and get my home studio up and running. Good little kit but I've been seriously considering buying the new Alesis Strike Pro - 6-piece seeing that I live in a house now. What are your thoughts on this new kit and have you had the chance to play one yet? Thanks..Geddy Costello
I forgot to mention I'm running Steven Slate Drums 4.0 Platinum, SD2 and Abby Road Drums and I will be purchasing Superior Drummer 3 it will be my VST of choice on the Alesis Strike. I never use the factory kits.
What about a TD-25?
My TD20 still rocks
Hoping someone with knowledge will see this. I played a td10 like a mad professor for quite a few years. Still have it, but obviously the memory card and other limitations make it shite compared to 20,30,50. I lost an Ebay bid war on a 20 recently for a pretty decent price.. but I think i wanted to, as Im not too keen on the no USB port/s.
My main interests in upgrade aren't as much todo with extreme 'natural' sounds/playability as is the sequencer, and the connectivity/usb and memory/save ability.
My main question...
Is the 30 "better" than the 20 because of natural aspects like cymbal/hat etc... or are there other significant factors that make it better? Would a midi/usb port make the 20 basically usb accessible? Is the 30 memory card situation much better than the 20? Is the 20's 'compact flash' becoming obsolete? (Im not tech savvy)
I want to use the V's to produce cyberhop more than as a 'drumkit' for a band situation (even though the recording&hybrid applications are definitely on my list)
I hope im making sense and someone can extract my 'questions' and give opinions/answers
Thx!
Ps.. is the 20 'screen issue' common?
I prefer vst drum sounds but that td50 snare and ride look well tasty as an addition to my kit if i ever get flush.
Do you think a used TD 20 is a good buy to replace the TD 8. I am using Superior Drummer 3.
Should I upgrade a td-30kv with full cymbal/pads in all AUX? Upgrade to TD-50 module, snare, and Ride? I really won't need the extra snare and ride but it would upgrade a aux cymbal and a pad. I don't see TD-50's or 30's used for the prices you mentioned but just wonder what you think or any other drummer out there. I record a lot with SD3 It's around $3249 for that upgrade on sweetwater.
Hello Justin. I would like to ask you if the TD-12 module is still worth buying? Thanks.
I agree e drums are lagging way behind,it will be many many years before e drums catch up with other electronic musicale instruments.
You hit the nail on the head. And I'm not sure why edrums are behind, but they are
The latency issue can easily solved by using an audio interface which can be bought cheaply.
Talking about USB midi, the TD15 does it (withI assume the most recent firmware update) I did it recently for a band promo. However, I recorded real cymbals at the same time and there's a noticeable lag between when I hit the drum and to when the midi notes appeared. I am basing this off the audio waveforms from the over heads. I had to nudge every take forward just a smidge. I don't know if this is to with Logic or something within the midi to usb conversion on the TD15.
Do you know if the TD 50 has the TD 30 sound bank in it? As does the TD 30 has the TD 20 in it. I found it by accident one day while using one of your old videos learning how to navigate my TD 30. It's kind of cool to put it in the retro module mode. The reason I ask is that I really love some of the stock sets that are in the 30 and I dont want to lose them via an upgrade to the TD 50.
It would be cool if you could connect a drum module to the internet (through a pc or something) and get updates. . .
It's possible :) the ATV aD5 lets you download new sounds from the internet, also the mimic
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I love this channel, congratulations!!! I have a doubt, I have a roland td12 for the last 10 years and I don't have any problem , now someone offer me the new alesis strike especial edition, I don't know if is it a good change. Please give me your opinion, thanks a lot...
Hi man thanks for the video.
Could you recommend a good cheap OLD module to be used exclusively with virtual insturments?
Do You think TD-25 is a good buy? I saw a 600ish euro option.
And by the way KD-9 or Fresh/used KD-85?
Really good channel, some amazing information about Edrums. I'm finally looking to get a new Edrum kit after 13 years of using my dear old Yamaha DTXpress IV :). I'm looking at building a set from parts, and using the TD-25 Module. One thing I would really love to know about the module is, can I use the Roland PDX-100 pads as Toms, and will I be able to take advantage of the positional sensing that they have? I've just upgraded from superior drummer 2.0 to 3.0 and would like to take advantage of the multiple tom tom sounds?
Awesome man! Glad to know your upgrading, it'll be alot of fun! The TD25 recognizes snare positional sensing, but I don't think it does for the toms
65 Drums, thanks for the reply dude. I noticed in some of Rolands conference videos that the td-30 has tom positional sensing, plus I can use the vh-13 foot pressure feature with it. I think thats the choice of champions :) Keep up the good work my man.
Thanks for all the videos. Keep up the good work. I've had a TD-10 for a long time and it has served me very well but I'm thinking I'm going to have to upgrade the module soon. I'm leaning toward the TD-30 or the Pearl Mimic Pro. I could see myself being comfortable with the TD-30 but I would like to explore what the Pearl has to offer. Problem is it is too new and doesn't seem to be in any stores nearby. One of the things I need is for it to be able to pitch bend. I use it in some songs I play with my band and, even though it is a small detail, it might be a deal breaker for me. Do you happen to know if the Pearl does that? Also, you mentioned the TD-50 will record multi tracks. We are getting ready to record some songs and I wondered if the Pearl might be able to output multiple tracks.
Thanks again!
You can pitch-tune the drums sounds in the Mimic Pro - a very useful feature that I use myself.
The Mimic Pro has 6 on-board fully assignable 1/4" TRS (TRS = balanced) outputs as well as a "DB25" serial port output from which you can connect an aftermarket cable-snake (typically costs about $50-100) that gives you 8 additional fully assignable outputs. And these outputs can be either 1/4" TRS or XLR, depending on which type of DB25 cable snake you purchase. By "fully assignable" I mean that, from within the module, you can route the sounds triggered by any of the module's inputs (snare, kick, crash 1, crash 2, ride, aux 1, aux 2, etc...) to any one, or more, of the 14 outputs. You can also do things like combine all of your toms or cymbals together into a 2-channel stereo output. So your output assignments might look like this:
CH 1 - Kick
CH 2 - Snare
CH 3 - Hi-Hat
CH 4 - Ride
CH 5 - Toms (left)
CH 6 - Toms (right)
CH 7 - Cymbals (left)
CH 8 - Cymbals (right)
CH 9 - Percussion (left)
CH 10 - Percussion (right)
CH 11 - Splash cymbals (left)
CH 12 - Splash cymbals (right)
You cannot, however, use the module itself as an audio recording interface, bypassing a physical audio mixer, the way you can with the TD-50. This means that you will still need an external mixer interface to plug the module's output channels into so that you can record them with a computer program (DAW - digital audio workstation) like Logic or Pro Tools. But comparatively, the Mimic Pro is still more versatile in this aspect because it allows for 14 independent recording output channels vs the TD-50 which can do up to 10, and only when you use the module itself as the audio interface. So the example above would stop at channel 10 and you'd have to combine the "splash cymbals" into the regular cymbals' stereo output on channels 7 and 8. And also, in this method you cannot simultaneously record other instruments like bass or guitar because the TD-50 acts as a drum-only recording interface and obviously does not host other input channels for things like guitar or bass. Development of future drum modules should consider this as a possible feature, however, because it could save people from also having to buy external audio mixers just to do some basic home recording.
It needs to be noted as well that the TD-50 also has 8 "on-board" outputs in the back of the module that can be used the same way as the 14 outputs on the Mimic Pro. What you need to consider though, is that most USB audio mixer interfaces only allow for two channels of simultaneous recording into a DAW. And the default assignment of the two channels going into the DAW is usually a stereo output of everything connected the mixer. So if you have a 12-channel USB mixer with a guitar on channel 1 and a bass on channel 2, you're DAW will default to a single channel stereo input from channels 1 and 2 on the mixer. So unless stated otherwise, this is all you can do with most USB audio interfaces.
So for true multi-track drum recording you'll need a more powerful Thunderbolt- or FireWire-type audio mixer that allows for all of it's input channels to be recorded simultaneously through a DAW. For instance, I use the Presonus StudioLive 16.0.2, which employs a FireWire connection and has 16 inputs that can all be recorded, as separate tracks, at the same time in a DAW. The most advanced scenario I could do would be to record from the 14 channels coming from the Mimic Pro, and then have a guitar and bassist also recording in the same session. That would essentially "max-out" my mixer's (and computer's) recording capabilities. I would never really do this, but it's nice to have the technology available.
But this goes to another important factor for you to consider, and that is the amount of input channels your computer can record at once before running into problems. I currently use a Mac Mini from 2012 that has a 2.8ghz quad-core i7 with a solid state hard drive and 16gb of DDR3 ram, and sometimes I've had issues while trying to record as few as 4 channels at once, including one MIDI VST channel. So even if I did set up my mixer to input all 14 channels from the Mimic Pro, my computer probably couldn't even handle it. This is where you get into the 8-core, 16gb+ computing land. And that is what would make me go with PC over MAC. I can build a custom PC with the capabilities of a $2000 Apple computer for almost a third of the cost. The good news, however, is that computers are continuing to go down in price for how powerful they are becoming and it's allowing average consumers to afford the type of recording gear and computer processing abilities once available only to the professional market. Eventually, computers that can easily handle recording 14 channels at once, with no latency, are going to reach the sub-$1000 price range. I'd even bet that some computer person out there would argue that they can build a computer powerful enough to do all that, today, for less than $1000.
Anyways, I hope this all helps.
Thank you Peter! I would still love to get my hands on a Mimic Pro to play it first hand. I don't think the internal recording capability of the TD-50 is that big a deal. I would be sending the output to my computer and into Ableton or something like it. So what you are saying makes the Pearl seem like a better deal at this point. Thanks again!!!
In thinking of upgrading my roland kit with some better tom pads, but I don't have enough to spend on roland pads unless I save, is it worth buying alesis pads or should I just wait?
Can you tell me whether the td50 has the ability to download a sample package that changes randomly, as in the library? That is, the kick is the same,but sounds different due to the fact that samples change each other from the pack .
Where is that electric drum forum you talk about?
There are a bunch, google electronic drum forum and you'll see the whole list
It does not have all of their modules for example the DDR 30 that one was a beast.
Love the channel. I’ve had my e drums for a few years now and was looking to upgrade my module. I have a Alesis DM10. Sorta wanted to upgrade it. I was curious if you could give me some advice as to what I can upgrade to that would have the same amount of inputs. You seem like your channel is filled with great content by the way. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks again for your time
Did you upgrade? You like the Alesis? Would you rather a roland?
Eddy Dishart I didn’t upgrade. I still have the Alesis. For the price and my purpose (for jam sessions) it works best for me. I still use it with no issues. If you have the money, I would get the Roland. Just depends on what you’re looking for
@@Zoso7227 thx.. i actually played the td10 for years. Still have it and it still works well...but the memory card situation for it sux.. im looking at used 20s & 30s right now.. just wanted to see what you thought about the Alesis
Thx for the reply!
Right now I have a td25 module and it sounds awesome but there simply isn't enough features, sounds and user kits to have the different kits I wanna make. Would the td20 or td12 be a good option to switch to or would it be for the best just to go for the td30 module? Trying to keep it as cheap as possible. Thanks
And, would a TD-50 be really worth the upgrade without the digital Snare and Ride ?
Not really, the snare and ride are what really make the module (even though it is a sound upgrade)
I was interested in a TD-20 used, since I only use SD3 for my drumming... sadly, I seem to have missed the best opportunities. At least in Germany, a TD-20W / TD-20X regularly still goes for around 1000€ (around $1180 US currently). I saw some used a few months ago for the $600 you're talking about, but did not have the cash back then.
Question: If I bought a TD-20 from the US, is the integrated power supply capable of dealing with 230V (used in Germany)? It seems there are plenty used TD-20s available in the US and it seems the only difference in inputs between the TD-20 and TD-20X is that the two stereo inputs for the ride were replaced by a single three-way input?
Benutzt du das TD20W/X noch? Überlege was heutzutage die best Budget Version für Superior Drummer 3 ist 😄
@@SchwappSchwopp hi! Hab inzwischen nen anderen RUclips Account... ich hab mir am Ende dann nie ein TD20 gekauft. Aktuell benutze ich ein TD11 und das funktioniert, abgesehen von der fehlenden Positionserkennung auf der Snare und den relativ begrenzten Eingängen, problemlos mit Superior Drummer 3.
Wenn Du ohne Positionserkennung auf der Snare leben kannst, würde ich Dir empfehlen, einfach das kleinste Roland-Modul mit USB-Anschluss (dürften inzwischen alle haben) zu nehmen, das genügend Eingänge für dein aktuelles Kit und eventuelle Upgrades in den nächsten Jahren hat.
@@MR-vg7yn danke für die schnelle Antwort, hätte ich nicht erwartet! Ich habe selbst ein TD11 zu Hause und im Proberaum ein Jobeky Set mit drumtec diabolo snare sowie Roland und Lemon cymbals. Das Set habe ich versucht mit dem eDRUMIN10 zu bespielen aber habe leider nicht genug Zeit mich dareinzufuchsen. Daher suche ich das beste und günstigste Modul mit snare und ride (CY15R oder Lemon Ride 18“) Positional sensing, ohne kabelbaum und einem preset für meine VH12 hihat - welches Modul wäre optimal?
@@SchwappSchwopp Hm.... also ohne Kabelbaum und mit Positional Sensing für die Ride bist Du vermutlich mit dem eDrumIn 10 schon ziemlich gut dabei. (Wo hast das Ding her? Ist ja derzeit leider für Ewigkeiten nicht lieferbar)
Bei Roland brauchst Du für Positional Sensing, soweit ich weiß, schon mal mindestens das TD-27 oder das TD-50. Ohne Kabelbaum bleibt dann nur noch das TD-50, und günstig ist wirklich anders.
@@MR-vg7yn habe meins von eBay Kleinanzeigen war aber quasi wie neu. Behalte das Teil wohl auch erstmal aber hab aktuell nicht die Ressourcen dafür. Dachte mit einem Roland Modul dauert das Einstellen wohl nur 1-2 std.
Ich glaube auch ältere Module haben pos. sensing, zB das 12,20 usw.
Ich werde mal weiterschauen, danke dir!
2023 now and we’re still waiting on that ‘TD-60’ … Given how good the TD-27 is, a new Roland flagship module can’t be far off … ?!
Though, perhaps Roland’s recent purchase of DW (and the eDW tech) will change whatever timeframes they had planned before that …
The TD-50 still competes well enough with the Mimic(?) … and I don’t think anyone is dying for digital crash cymbals or digital toms … ?!
Also, we probably have another 12 months of financial turmoil, affected chip supply(?) and - worst of all - war in Europe, ahead of us … 😕
2024 and the TD 60 is still not happening
The year isn't even half over yet, it can still happen ;) but in all seriousness, it's very hard to predict Roland. I talked to a rep about this once. And they claim a new product is only released when it's done, and they think the market needs it. My current guess, is they'll call it the TD70. Because they are using the number 7 in most of their newer kits right now
Can i use beats headphones on edrum
yup
How about the td 9?
I think I made a video on that awhile back
65 Drums I know i just wanna know are the sounds still good and they are not dated
I feel like quality might get worse with less time in-between. Just like an I phone every year new phone- almost no improvement even with android getting way better (So there is competition).
But there is significant progress over time in phones over time. You won't get a new phone every year that's twice as good as the last one. But over 3-5 years, you'll see big progress whether it's an iphone or an android
I couldn't justify 2 grand every couple years so for me the software upgrades with the older module is the way to go. (Superior drummer 3 with a td 12)
Debatable, but fair point.
why is everyone hating on the strike pro kit and sounds, it sounds fine to me, the kit looks nice as hell, but everyone says its a pile of shit and i'm having trouble understanding why
fallen prophecy it’s more to do with the reliability. Alesis hardware tend to break down quicker than Roland hardware for example.
I've heard most of the demos for the Strike module and I agree that the sounds are not "bad," and that people shouldn't be shitting on them so much. It's just that for today's market, the sounds are pretty sub-par - they still have that dull and chalky Alesis sound going on, and that's not acceptable anymore. Not when computer processing and hard drive storage technology is where it is today. Even though Alesis has very competitive pricing, we're talking about a drum kit that cost over $1500 but has the sound quality of a Roland drum kit that would cost nearly half that. But with Alesis drum kits, you're mainly paying for the drums themselves. For instance, I just bought a DM-10 MKII Pro kit for $1300 and am selling the module on eBay for around $300. This means that I've essentially bought 5 10-12" mesh head toms, 4 12-16" cymbals, an 8" mesh head kick drum, and some very nice rack and hardware gear, all for about $1000. Break down a Strike kit the same way and you can easily conclude that when you buy an Alesis drum kit, the drums themselves are what you're paying for. The module is almost like this bonus piece they throw in on the side just to get you started off, even though no one would wanna use it permanently. But I think it's great because you can get these great drums for super cheap and use the money from the sale of the module to either buy another module or something like a high-end snare drum, like the kind you'd get from Drum-tec or Jobecky.
And also to your point - if we're talking about only using the drum module just to trigger a VST, than no one should be saying anything bad about the Strike module. I also think it's very cool and elegant looking for it's price range and non-electronic drummer people will be very impressed. I finally got a chance to see a Strike kit in person at my local Sam Ash and I was extremely impressed by it's looks. I wish I was rich so I could buy one just have as an extra drum set.
Any guess when td 11 will get updated......may be NAMM 2018
Anan Lama That's what I'm patiently waiting for.
Maybe in january 2018?
I really don't know why you would even really go for a flagship if you're just going to use drum software. I'm still a newb though.
There is a TD30 module w/ kick drum (14") for $1600. Not interested.
I don't really understand your obsession with modules. There is not a single module on the planet, including Pearl Mimic Pro, that will ever match sound quality and flexibility of something like Superior Drummer. Heck, I can dial in a kit inside Logic Pro Drummer better than anything inside any of these modules and at a fraction of the time it takes diving through the menus. Speaking of those menus - it's like Roland is trolling people at this point.