Nautiloids Thrived For 500 Million Years Until These Guys Showed Up

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  • Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
  • Around 30 million years ago, a new group of predators began to push nautiloids from their former global range into a single remaining refuge. But who were these predators?
    Thanks to Ceri Thomas for the excellent nautiloid, seal, and whale reconstructions!
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  • @wrenleader4409
    @wrenleader4409 Год назад +2858

    You could say their fates were... sealed!

  • @rl9217
    @rl9217 Год назад +1183

    Nautiloids: I fear no extinction event, but that thing…
    Seal: (slowly bouncing towards the water)
    Nautiloids: It scares me.

    • @TheRealBekathy
      @TheRealBekathy Год назад +45

      best rendition so far.

    • @texasbeast239
      @texasbeast239 Год назад +34

      Arf! Arf!
      *shivers*

    • @kage3587
      @kage3587 Год назад +21

      Sealvision: Sees friendly swirled hard candy trying to swim away, so it catches and eats the sweet treat.
      Reality: Nautilus swimming away for its life, and then being caught and crunched on.

    • @RyuuseiBoy
      @RyuuseiBoy Год назад +14

      Seal : *aggressively slaps belly*

    • @katherineheasley6196
      @katherineheasley6196 Год назад +18

      Seals do look terribly silly on land. Then they turn into torpedoes in the water.

  • @victoriaeads6126
    @victoriaeads6126 Год назад +1377

    It seems like the pinnipeds might also have another advantage. All the other predators had fully developed flippers, not forelimbs that could grip in any way. If the pinnipeds could hold the nautiloids, even just to keep it somewhat immobile, it would give those piercing jaws an even bigger advantage

    • @RedHair651
      @RedHair651 Год назад +152

      Yeah, I thought "gripping paws" was going to be the answer

    • @nickzaytz5712
      @nickzaytz5712 Год назад +176

      Also seals can take nautiloids to the land and deal with them there

    • @aldrichhezekiah3524
      @aldrichhezekiah3524 Год назад +137

      Their fate was sealed..

    • @jmh8817
      @jmh8817 Год назад +4

      My thoughts exactly!

    • @dewodinodragon6512
      @dewodinodragon6512 Год назад +8

      How about nothosaurus? Too weak ?

  • @Golem33
    @Golem33 Год назад +832

    It’s interesting that pinnipeds also impacted penguin diversity, they outcompete everything

    • @Ezullof
      @Ezullof Год назад +142

      Competition is against species filling the same niche. Pinnipeds prey on penguins, so it's not outcompeting.

    • @rodrigoborges3876
      @rodrigoborges3876 Год назад +80

      i think ancient cetaceans also gave penguin ancestors a run for their money and caused a big decline in their diversity

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen Год назад +7

      @@Ezullof No, I don't think that definition is right.

    • @erikarussell1142
      @erikarussell1142 Год назад +16

      Gods perfect killing machine.

    • @ibrav7979
      @ibrav7979 Год назад +7

      Wait what types of penguins used to exist then?

  • @devinsmith4790
    @devinsmith4790 Год назад +512

    Nautiloids are the evolutionary equivalent of "if it ain't broke don't fix it".

    • @LeFanDesBugs
      @LeFanDesBugs Год назад +82

      Horseshoe crabs are

    • @ReaverPrime
      @ReaverPrime Год назад +51

      Just like sharks and crocs.

    • @telendar_
      @telendar_ Год назад +32

      The nautiloids didn't disappear. They turned into crabs

    • @spindash64
      @spindash64 Год назад +46

      Until it broke

    • @jeremiahalguire8231
      @jeremiahalguire8231 Год назад

      ​@Telendar lmao no they didn't smh wtf did you pull that out of? Cephalopods are not related to crabs nor will they ever evolve into crabs lmao f.f.s

  • @CoralReaper707
    @CoralReaper707 Год назад +647

    Nautiloids and other cephalopods with shells were always so fascinating to me

    • @GreasyFox
      @GreasyFox Год назад +42

      They are like the iconic paleontology icons

    • @gluteusmaximus8881
      @gluteusmaximus8881 Год назад +19

      This is why I got an ammonite shell as my first tattoo!

    • @cdk1016
      @cdk1016 Год назад +10

      Same here. Nautiloids are my favorite sea creatures. They are just so bizarre and far from the natural line of evolution. Like a giant snail tried to eat a squid and instead it simply absorbed it and they became one. Or maybe an octopus was evolutionarily inspired by hermit crabs. 😂

    • @caloocanboy5800
      @caloocanboy5800 Год назад +5

      I have a nautiloid shell in my collection lol

    • @ericbrown1101
      @ericbrown1101 Год назад +7

      ​@@cdk1016 I have a personal affection for trilobites myself. Such a shame they're gone.

  • @Reyma777
    @Reyma777 Год назад +505

    I would have never have assumed that Pinnipeds were a potential cause of Nautiloids declining. The Nautiloids out lasted, placoderms, ichthyosaurs, mosasaurs, plesiosaurs and marine crocodilians and even thrived with sharks. Perhaps Pinnipeds may have been prone to heavily preying on Nautiloids in the past due to their high metabolisms ?

    • @concon9107
      @concon9107 Год назад

      It's probably because they have lips capable of sucking nautiloids out of their shells.

    • @feandil666
      @feandil666 Год назад +40

      Maybe they're just the most clever

    • @edwardsantos3602
      @edwardsantos3602 Год назад

      Well, until they will become extinct soon by humans

    • @TiagoH1710
      @TiagoH1710 Год назад +8

      @@feandil666 dolphins?

    • @brettwood1351
      @brettwood1351 Год назад +72

      @@feandil666 Combination probably. As Mammals they have both higher metabolisms that means they need to eat more, and also high intelligence. And as species like the Elephant Seal show, even going deeper isn't a garuantee of safety.

  • @RedHair651
    @RedHair651 Год назад +138

    It would have been interesting to at least mention in passing why pinnipeds aren't present in that area.

    • @garthrogers2269
      @garthrogers2269 Год назад +51

      Saltwater crocodiles, probably. That part of the world is their "turf".

    • @dosadnizub
      @dosadnizub Год назад +26

      Also, why nautiloids aren't present in open ocean waters where you don't get seals afaik

    • @JubioHDX
      @JubioHDX Год назад +9

      @@dosadnizub im just taking a guess on this one but from the diagrams shown in the video it seems like in the past there were signs of nautiloids being in more of the ocean areas but it also showed these as being areas the pinnipeds moved into but just arent living in anymore due to the environment changing
      but thats all assuming what they were showing was accurate and not just a visual example

    • @garthrogers2269
      @garthrogers2269 Год назад +37

      @@dosadnizub the impact that pinnipeds may have had on nautiloids could be explained by breeding patterns. If nautiloids breeding areas were/are typically in shallower coastal waters, then that could explain their disappearance from the open ocean. Pinnipeds wouldn't have to venture out there to have an impact in that scenario. It would similar to how humans slaughtered pinnipeds & penguins, and wiped out the Great Auk. We attacked their breeding colonies. Orca do the same thing, their favourite hunting grounds are the breeding sites of their prey.

    • @dosadnizub
      @dosadnizub Год назад +3

      Another question.... Pinnipeds now live only in arctic circles thanks to humans, why aren't nautiloids recovering?

  • @MrInsdor
    @MrInsdor Год назад +148

    the chambered nautilus is my favourite animal
    there was a lot I didn't know about beforehand in this video
    I wish the nautiloids another hundreds of millions of years no matter how small their habitat might become

    • @lordeppiothe1
      @lordeppiothe1 Год назад +13

      or maybe they'll evolve an adaptation that allows them to thrive everywhere again :) they earned their permanent spot on the planet.

    • @danieltabin6470
      @danieltabin6470 Год назад +4

      I hope seals reach Indonesia very soon. Seal gang seal gang 🦾🦭

    • @MrInsdor
      @MrInsdor Год назад +6

      @@danieltabin6470 vegetarian seals?🥺

    • @angeliparraguirre7329
      @angeliparraguirre7329 Год назад

      ​@MrInsdor that would be cool

    • @Entety303
      @Entety303 Год назад +3

      @@danieltabin6470 I am gonna get the club and well it won’t be nice. Nautilus are superior

  • @wolfpackastrobiology3690
    @wolfpackastrobiology3690 5 месяцев назад +8

    What I think is fascinating about this is that since no animal evolved to replace the niche nautiloids did (the shelled nektonic niche), the pierce feeding strategy of the pinnipeds not only extirpated the nautiloids from most of the world's oceans; it essentially rendered the shelled nektonic niche non viable.
    Why I see this is profound is that it throws a monkey wrench into the way we view evolutionary ecology were an organisms fills a niche, goes extinct only to have another organism fill the niche. Here, the niche itself was eliminated by an evolutionary innovation.

    • @Krankenwagen571
      @Krankenwagen571 16 дней назад

      Wow but seals aren't the apex predators tho , they also support a chain where orcas and sharks and dolphins and other seals are sitting T top

    • @wolfpackastrobiology3690
      @wolfpackastrobiology3690 16 дней назад +3

      @@Krankenwagen571 They don't have to be top predators to have a profound affect. Feral cats aren't "top predators" in Australia (Dingos do sometimes kill cats) but they still have a devastating impact on the native fauna.

  • @rl9217
    @rl9217 Год назад +100

    Nautiloids after surviving countless extinctions: You can’t defeat me!
    Earth: I know, but he can!
    Pinnipeds:

  • @yissibiiyte
    @yissibiiyte Год назад +49

    At least the nautilus is still around

    • @chilling_at_pontiff
      @chilling_at_pontiff Год назад +1

      Literally saw this yesterday and blew my mind

    • @yissibiiyte
      @yissibiiyte Год назад +5

      @@chilling_at_pontiff lemme guess, you knew about ammonites before nautiluses?

    • @C_In_Outlaw3817
      @C_In_Outlaw3817 Год назад +2

      Yea you’re right

  • @dinohall2595
    @dinohall2595 Год назад +208

    The evolution of the pinnipeds really sealed the nautiloids' fate.

  • @Whomobile
    @Whomobile Год назад +36

    I hope the Nautiloids hang around for many more years, they're cool lil' animals

  • @guifdcanalli
    @guifdcanalli 6 месяцев назад +7

    Asteroids, cataclysmic volcanoes, continents breaking apart
    Nautiloids: sleep
    Some funny sea dogs appear
    Nautiloids: *danger*

  • @lerneanlion
    @lerneanlion Год назад +41

    Now, I am imagining the world where the cephalapod-like civilization has been developed and they have to run and hide in fear from some sort of deadly seals! Just imagine how terrifying that would be as a nautiloid!

    • @Zimisce85
      @Zimisce85 Год назад +4

      Sounds like a great episode for a science-fiction novel / graphic novel / tv series.

    • @lerneanlion
      @lerneanlion 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@Drust0 No but humans used to ru nand hide in fear of the Subjects of Ymir when they were turned into Titans.

  • @takenname8053
    @takenname8053 Год назад +18

    SUPER NICE, didn't even know Nautilus was secluded on to one area

  • @halonothing1
    @halonothing1 Год назад +35

    I always see these large, decorative slabs of limestone near schools and parks. When I looked closer at them, I noticed they're absolutely covered with sea creature fossils! Not just one or two of the blocks, but pretty much every single one I've ever looked at, regardless of location. I found out later limestone basically IS made of crushed up shells of ancient animals, so even the stone itself is a fossil. I'm far from an expert, but some of it looks like it they could be nautiloids, and there are lots of ammonites and horn corals.
    It's a shame because a lot of these are just a couple of hundred yards from schools which have no idea the treasure trove of education sitting right outside their doors. I'm tempted to write the schoolboard and suggest they look into working this into their syllabus. It's like a field trip without ever having to leave the school or spend any money.

  • @transnewt
    @transnewt Год назад +30

    pinnipeds as nautiloid predators... makes sense.
    carnivorans (really all therapsids) seem predestined to very strong bites, which is useful in cracking shells.

    • @andreiryancaballero7422
      @andreiryancaballero7422 5 месяцев назад

      And somehow same nautiluses managed to coesist with Jurassic pliosaurs which had similarly strong bites...

    • @transnewt
      @transnewt 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@andreiryancaballero7422
      well the neck theory doesnt really make sense either, but its pretty clear thats what happened.
      i suppose the real answer is... suction? nautiloids didnt have to deal with any sort of super suction based hunter since the eugenodonts, so i suppose that couldve been how seals dominated.

    • @transnewt
      @transnewt 5 месяцев назад

      but seals dont suck their prey

  • @joshuag.a287
    @joshuag.a287 Год назад +129

    This video has made me very curious about the absence of pinnipeds in the Indo-pacific. Does anyone know why it is ?

    • @juliusnatrup5916
      @juliusnatrup5916 Год назад +98

      It seems most pinnipeds need cold water (below 20°C) to thrive. They mostly live in arctic or moderate seas or along cold currents in warmer or even tropical regions. The Indo-Pacific is generally speaking too warm for them.

    • @joshuag.a287
      @joshuag.a287 Год назад +12

      @@juliusnatrup5916 thanks!

    • @markleyp03
      @markleyp03 Год назад

      @@juliusnatrup5916 maybe climate change will drive pinnipeds out, and nautoloids will take over again. I *welcome* our new/old overlords

    • @animalnerd4368
      @animalnerd4368 Год назад +12

      @@juliusnatrup5916 Wasn’t there a species of seal that lived in the Caribbean?

    • @chasenwild5133
      @chasenwild5133 Год назад +36

      My guess is the Saltwater Crocodile. They inhabit the exact same range as the nautilus.

  • @patpowers9210
    @patpowers9210 Год назад +21

    I guess you could say that pinnepeds sealed the deal on nautiloid extinctions.

  • @Curiouscucumber738
    @Curiouscucumber738 Год назад +37

    Hey could you do a segment on parasitic barnacles? I find them incredibly fascinating.
    As always, great content!

    • @sameerthakur720
      @sameerthakur720 Год назад +1

      Yes. Billions of Blue Blistering Barnacles in Ten Thousand Thundering Typhoons

  • @1TakoyakiStore
    @1TakoyakiStore Год назад +212

    Something still doesn't add up here. 1) Pinnipeds, with the exception of the now extinct Caribbean Monk Seal (their populations were never high historically iirc) have been notoriously absent from the oceans around Central America, to add to that the Puerto Rican Trench could have provided a refuge even if pinnipeds had been numerous there at some point in the last 30 million years. 2) There are plenty of fish species that have the ability to extract a mollusk from its shell. So it presumably can't just be that reason alone, if at all. 3) There are pelagic cephalopods (squids & argonauts) in open water, a place that a lot of pinnipeds rarely frequent due to lack of a place to rest & food is spread too thin (i.e. there are no pelagic pinnipeds to my knowledge). So if pinnipeds were the problem then nautiloids should have still persisted in the open ocean near the surface like argonauts. 4) I find it hard to believe that the ecological niche that pinnipeds now occupy was never filled in over the 470 million years prior that could have evolved such a detrimental strategy to the nautiloids.

    • @a.w.1820
      @a.w.1820 Год назад +77

      go write a paper and take it up with them

    • @aLazyFairy
      @aLazyFairy Год назад +32

      @@a.w.1820he’s got better things to do like debate anime

    • @Putukusi
      @Putukusi Год назад +64

      I'm not sure if there are fishes that eat nautiluses on a regular basis. There are many fish groups (e.g. labrids) that are adapted to eat hard-shelled animals as mollluscans and crustaceans but they are bottom-feeders and I find unlikely that most of them can handle the nektonic nautiluses.

    • @buriedghostlady
      @buriedghostlady Год назад +146

      The guy makes some reasonable points with a clear intention to learn and debate, an all you guys come up with is some basic insults and the always useless "go do it yourself then lmao". Real funny that you respond to criticism in a science channel with blatant anti-intellectualism.
      I'm no better either...

    • @Great_Olaf5
      @Great_Olaf5 Год назад +55

      A couple others have pointed out that pinnipeds maintain some degree of manipulation ability with their forelimbs, which could allow them to more effectively immobilize nautiloids once they caught them, giving them an edge over other animals with a similar feeding style. I've got nothing for the questions relating to geographic extent though, something to dig into.

  • @alexcamacho1842
    @alexcamacho1842 Год назад +58

    Nautiloid: “I fear no mass extinction… but that *thing*
    *one blubbery boi*
    Nautiloid: “…it scares me.”

  • @KT-xd9yt
    @KT-xd9yt Год назад +14

    This is one of the highest quality channels out there

  • @NishithThakkar
    @NishithThakkar Год назад +14

    Early nautilus forms look like a squid with a wizard hat on.

  • @TheUltimateBlaziken
    @TheUltimateBlaziken Год назад +69

    I'd love to see theories and/or a video on how our friend the coelacanth survived

    • @sydhenderson6753
      @sydhenderson6753 Год назад +15

      Partially because they moved to the deep ocean, but why this worked, I don't know.

  • @barbiquearea
    @barbiquearea Год назад +36

    I guess you could say, for the nautiloids, the arrival of pinnipeds had all but SEALED their fate.

    • @LymanPhillips
      @LymanPhillips Год назад +1

      Boo-hiss!

    • @dustman96
      @dustman96 Год назад

      I thought this was pretyy witty.

    • @Leomoon101
      @Leomoon101 Год назад

      Aahhh, I see what you did there...😏

    • @iandecker8157
      @iandecker8157 Год назад

      they’re not-a-loitering any longer

  • @S-T-E-V-E
    @S-T-E-V-E Год назад +47

    I've always been fascinated by the Nautilus and it's longevity, I even bought a Nautilus Shell I found at a seaside curiosity store! To think how ancient the lineage is, they are truly living fossils!

    • @davidc5191
      @davidc5191 Год назад +1

      And did you know the growth rings on their coiled shells are based on the fibonacci mathematical pattern?

    • @S-T-E-V-E
      @S-T-E-V-E Год назад +2

      @Cyber Ghost Nah it was washed up in the UK!

    • @vaelophisnyx9873
      @vaelophisnyx9873 Год назад +1

      @@davidc5191 you have that a bit backward

  • @Leomoon101
    @Leomoon101 Год назад +16

    I take it for what it is in terms of Eons finally talking about seals, although their evolution is mysterious. I'm hoping you'll talk about this for a long time. Also burning question in my mind: what made the indo-pacific region of the ocean inhabitable for the early seals? That is pretty interesting to know.

    • @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache
      @NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache Год назад +4

      According to a bunch of the replies I've read, saltwater crocodiles and hot waters.

    • @Chordat3
      @Chordat3 Год назад +4

      prolly the saltwatr crocs. Unlike orca and sharks, crocs can follow the seals to the land

  • @TSmith-yy3cc
    @TSmith-yy3cc Год назад +7

    This is fascinating! The art is just fantastic as well! Thank you all for your work.

  • @tlac4120
    @tlac4120 Год назад +18

    It's the same every time:
    Starting an eons video, recognising the different hosts with the first spoken word long before seeing them on screen. Makes me smile every time. Interesting topics in well written and edited videos hosted by great science communicators. Triple Win! 🥳

  • @TheAppalachianEsq
    @TheAppalachianEsq Год назад +10

    What happened to Konstantin’s studio? Also, this host has improved by 150% since she started. I was critical at first so I have to point out how much better their presentation is now!

  • @kendall658
    @kendall658 Год назад +24

    For how predator-proof the nautiloids are, it's wild that a predator can eat them, let alone cute pinnipeds sucking them out of their shells!
    Pinnipeds are METAL

  • @killercompy631
    @killercompy631 Год назад +4

    First surviving allmoste all mass extinctions and then being driven to extinction by a living sausage must be pretty depressing

  • @quantumfoam539
    @quantumfoam539 Год назад +9

    Rip to the glorious Nautiloid Empire

  • @holyek7892
    @holyek7892 Год назад +6

    This episode has my seal of approval!

  • @aplaceinthestars3207
    @aplaceinthestars3207 Год назад +3

    I like that the conclusion of the video is, roughly, "Seals are the harbingers of chaos".

  • @Xnaut314
    @Xnaut314 Год назад +70

    An interesting proposal, but it comes with a large contradictory question that hasn't been answered and was frankly ignored completely. If it really is true that pinnipeds, likely the phocids or true seals specifically since they is the better adapted family for shellfish foraging, were the determining factor in the decline of the remaining nautiloid groups after the K-PG extinction then why is the Indo-Pacific interchange region the final stronghold of their distribution? It's not enough to simply say that there are no pinnipeds there, as you also have to propose why pinnipeds never expanded their range there in the past and why they can't currently migrate there to finish them off. This hypothesis also doesn't explain why nautiloids were extripated in the Indian Ocean as well since pinnipeds never radiated there to prey on them either. Despite my criticisms though, I actually like this hypothesis a lot in some areas and would love to see it and it's contradictions researched further.

    • @Beryllahawk
      @Beryllahawk Год назад +5

      I feel like there's a few follow up papers to be found in those questions! :D
      At first I was thinking maybe seals don't live in warm waters in general, but the video made it obvious that wasn't quite true. If water depth is also a factor though, might that be one of the differences for the Indian Ocean too? Maybe there were other critters out-competing the nautiloids there, in other ways than predation? Which would still leave pinnipeds as the "major" cause of the vanishing nautiloids. Or maybe there was a kind of one-two punch, already pressured by whatever other competition existed, when the pinnipeds moved in, the nautiloids just couldn't deal with BOTH sources of trouble at once?

    • @aff77141
      @aff77141 Год назад +14

      "why they don't migrate to finish them off" seems like an odd question to me; the seals aren't seeking them out, they don't even know they exist, and probably have no interest in going to such warm waters without food resources being an issue, as most seals in that area are arctic acclimated species or at least descended from them

    • @skan7677
      @skan7677 Год назад

      I can see pinnipeds as a posible treat to them. And that's on the huge numbers they congregate on. Imagine a huge colony of Arctocephalus pusillus. They fill kleen up a hole region of the ocean near one of their colonys. Not to mention that when they are not in colonys they scatered across the sea to find food. If there is an advantage or an easy pray to chach they would go after it.
      Also. The colonys move across time so today they may be on the southern tip.of africa but if the clima changes or the sea corrents do they will move across the map and star another huge colony in anny oter suitable place. (And that must have hapened... we are talking of million of years).
      Another factor in play is taste. Marine mamals will go far away or trough a lot of truble for a tastyer meal. Maybe nautiloids are to sea mamals like chocolate is to us.
      Mmm... nauthuloids.

    • @dosadnizub
      @dosadnizub Год назад

      ​​@@aff77141 true, but if there's a food source that an animal is uniquely qualified to exploit, typically over time that animal will be able to adapt to slightly warmer temperatures or slightly deeper depths to exploit it

    • @Cillana
      @Cillana Год назад +4

      Someone in another comment suggested that the saltwater crocodiles in the region were to blame

  • @Alberad08
    @Alberad08 Год назад +4

    Thank you for sharing! BTW that doesn't count for deep sea specialists like the Allonautili which, for whatever reason, seem to be also restricted to the southern Pacific around New Guinea and the Solomon Islands.

  • @ilkoderez601
    @ilkoderez601 Год назад +9

    One of the best RUclips channels.

  • @amphicyon4359
    @amphicyon4359 Год назад +4

    Wow, this was really interesting. Like not only the teeth allowing seals to piece shells, but also their paws early pinnipeds had to hold onto and manipulate nautiloids in ways that early whales couldn't, given they arose from ungulates instead of carnivores

  • @Eashaans
    @Eashaans Год назад +2

    thank you so much this video was so insighful!

  • @CarthagoMike
    @CarthagoMike Год назад +6

    Great documentary as always!

  • @DISTurbedwaffle918
    @DISTurbedwaffle918 Год назад +3

    Nautiloid: "I am a living tank, perfected by 500 million years of evolution and the survival of numerous global extinction events, nothing could possibly threaten me."
    Pinnipeds: *børk*
    Nautiloids: *AAG-*

  • @sidilicious11
    @sidilicious11 Год назад +7

    Nautiloids we’re around for 500 million years. That’s a long run guys!

  • @norasonora6928
    @norasonora6928 8 месяцев назад +1

    I found the outro with reference to where the fossils came from citing the original native inhabitants to be fantastic. It's a small thing but I think it's great

  • @raymondleung6522
    @raymondleung6522 Год назад +1

    loving this educational content from yall, stay learning

  • @falnica
    @falnica Год назад +12

    Now I'm wondering why there aren't seals in Indonesia

    • @barbiquearea
      @barbiquearea Год назад

      There are dolphins and whales.

    • @bjorntheviking6039
      @bjorntheviking6039 Год назад +1

      Too warm.

    • @Apathetic_agnostic
      @Apathetic_agnostic Год назад +1

      @@bjorntheviking6039 Doubtful; remember Caribbean Monk Seal which lived in pretty warm waters.

    • @princevermilion8799
      @princevermilion8799 Год назад +1

      i hypothesise that saltwater crocs could be to problematic for seals, if you look at the range of salties and the range of nautiluses you will see they are very similar

  • @icarusbinns3156
    @icarusbinns3156 Год назад +11

    Can I point out an error on the maps? Pinnipeds are found in Lake Baikal!
    Can we get an episode on how snd why there’s this one freshwater seal? It’d be pretty neat, I think

  • @jso6790
    @jso6790 Год назад +2

    I love this so much. I learn sooo very much from this show, every single time!

  • @brianmsahin
    @brianmsahin Год назад +2

    Wonderful video, clear and concise with great art and presentation. 😁

  • @Iowa599
    @Iowa599 Год назад +4

    How does shell thickness relate to depth?
    The pressure of water is high, but so is the animals internal pressure. We can't go down there because our internal pressure is relative to ambient air pressure, like they can't come up here.

    • @entropy8634
      @entropy8634 Год назад

      Maybe same reason to why shallow fish can’t go deep and deep fish can’t swim shallow. Their internal pressure also coincides with their place, and thick shells allow adaptability

    • @garethhughes7430
      @garethhughes7430 Год назад +3

      The sturdier the shell, the more the animal can pressurise it to deal with changing pressures. Release pressure in the shallows, build it up in the depths.

    • @Iowa599
      @Iowa599 Год назад

      If that's so, to allow them a greater difference internally:ambient depth pressure, then where are their eyes? Under the shell would make them pointless, but if not, they are exposed.
      Besides, the pressure doesn't act only on the shell, it squishes every nook & cranny, top or bottom. So water would force its way into the shell, between the shell & flesh.

    • @garethhughes7430
      @garethhughes7430 Год назад +2

      @@Iowa599 Well I'm sorry, that's literally just how it works. The thicker shells allow for lower depths, as it holds up to the pressure. The soft parts of the nautilus are able to resist the pressure with deformation, rather than the shell which if it was too weak would shatter. Now, Nautiloids can get something similar to the bends, if they fill their shell with water too rapidly, but for the most part they control how bouyant they are.
      The shell behaves as a brittle ma- terial under stress: with increased pressure, deformation is gradual and linear up to the point of implosion.
      The reason for the nautilus' greater depth tolerance, while retaining simple sutures, is simply that they have thicker shells than the ...

  • @tiffanykeefe2368
    @tiffanykeefe2368 Год назад +4

    Love your hair Michelle ❤

  • @gabsteed7365
    @gabsteed7365 Год назад +2

    I love the land disclaimer! I think it would be nice if there were also one at the beginning or if it were read aloud though

  • @nsl-u-boot8464
    @nsl-u-boot8464 Год назад +1

    I just love your videos! Great Work!

  • @stevez4120
    @stevez4120 Год назад +3

    really sealed the deal

  • @savorymarshmallows
    @savorymarshmallows Год назад +8

    So why aren't there pinnipeds in that region?

    • @victoriaeads6126
      @victoriaeads6126 Год назад +1

      They tend to prefer colder waters, AFAIK. Perhaps the allure of new food sources isn't enough to get them into warmer waters.

    • @vincentx2850
      @vincentx2850 Год назад +1

      This idea is skewed by the recent decline of monk seals due to human factors, which used to strive in tropical waters

    • @princevermilion8799
      @princevermilion8799 Год назад +1

      i theorise that saltwater crocs could be to problematic for seals, if you look at the range of salties and the range of nautiluses you will see they are very similar

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman 10 месяцев назад +1

    I probably first learned about the Nautilus decafes ago on something like a National Geographic Special on TV. Very STRANGE critters.

  • @0l550
    @0l550 6 месяцев назад

    That was awesome! I mean I hate huge extensions but I love using carnival good old fashion, detective techniques to solve million year old questions. Thank you.

  • @timothyhouse1622
    @timothyhouse1622 Год назад +4

    So, they found their match in sea doggos.

  • @huldu
    @huldu Год назад +21

    Also the problem could be that there were just too many seals and too few predators keeping them in check. Might be a bit different today with us humans around, maybe the nautiloids will bounce back once we've dealt with the seals.

    • @itzhellraptor._.9923
      @itzhellraptor._.9923 Год назад

      Shut up moron

    • @duelme1234
      @duelme1234 Год назад +7

      Can I ask why you use the word "deal"?

    • @barbiquearea
      @barbiquearea Год назад +5

      I mean there were sharks around. They should have kept the seal population in check.

    • @wolfie1703
      @wolfie1703 Год назад +3

      @@duelme1234 i think they're using it kind of sarcastically, since us humans are wiping out a lot of species.

    • @stefanostokatlidis4861
      @stefanostokatlidis4861 Год назад

      @@duelme1234 because carnivoran mammals tend to behave as pests.

  • @andrewbrown6522
    @andrewbrown6522 8 месяцев назад +1

    Ths thought of seals clearing giant bugs out of the ocean makes me smile.

  • @indyreno2933
    @indyreno2933 Год назад +1

    Cephalopods are divided into two living subclasses Nautilaceae (Nautili and Fossil Relatives) and Coleaceae (Squid, Cuttlefish, Octopi, and Vampire Squid).

  • @morganbonczek6428
    @morganbonczek6428 Год назад +48

    Your recognition of discoveries made on Indigenous lands moved me and I applaud you for doing this!

    • @johnthumble5154
      @johnthumble5154 Год назад +9

      Nothing but pandering

    • @machfassett5749
      @machfassett5749 Год назад +11

      @@johnthumble5154 And how many other science channels do you see doing the same thing?

    • @johnthumble5154
      @johnthumble5154 Год назад +7

      @@machfassett5749 anymore than 0 is too many.

    • @morganbonczek6428
      @morganbonczek6428 Год назад +17

      @@johnthumble5154 There always has to be one troll, doesn't there? Congrats on winning today's first place ribbon in recognition of your trolling efforts and lack of respect to the original inhabitants of the Americas

    • @johnthumble5154
      @johnthumble5154 Год назад

      @@morganbonczek6428 trolling implies I don't believe what I'm saying and only do it to get a rise.
      You like many other leftards seem to struggle with basic definitions.

  • @Apathetic_agnostic
    @Apathetic_agnostic Год назад +4

    I suppose, after the extinction of Caribbean Monk Seal, Nautiloids could probably live in Caribbean sea.

  • @__nog642
    @__nog642 Год назад +2

    9:00 Kinda confused what's stopping the Nautiloids from spreading to the middle of the south Pacific

  • @TimeTheory2099
    @TimeTheory2099 Год назад +1

    Thanks PBS Eons. 👍
    Anyone know if there are programs to grow more numbers in zoos or aquariums?

  • @Thor-Orion
    @Thor-Orion Год назад +4

    Love what you’ve done with your hair!
    I agree with another commenter on here that the pinnipeds ability to grab with their forelimbs definitely played a major part in their predation on nautiloids.

  • @mattantonelli4273
    @mattantonelli4273 Год назад +3

    we swam out of the ocean and walked on land and we flew out of land to walk on the moon just amazing

  • @lt2143
    @lt2143 Год назад

    Awesome! Learned something new about the nautilus today! 👍

  • @runsi174
    @runsi174 Год назад +1

    I was waiting for pinniped episode since Hank mentioned it at the begining of Eons channel 😁

  • @silentcaay
    @silentcaay Год назад +4

    It's always a plot twist when the thing causing mass extinction in the present isn't actually humans.

  • @historybuff7491
    @historybuff7491 Год назад +3

    Never thought I would think of seals as the enemy. I know it is just nature.

  • @isabel.bolivia
    @isabel.bolivia Год назад +1

    wow, Thnak you for this piece of wisdom

  • @thegovenor4629
    @thegovenor4629 Год назад +3

    So you can say, that they sealed the deal for the nautilus?

  • @valentyn.kostiuk
    @valentyn.kostiuk Год назад +3

    You definitely got more productive.
    That's great!❤

  • @onlineanonymity6153
    @onlineanonymity6153 7 месяцев назад +1

    I thnk the map presented around 5:20 raises a greater set of questions. First on what timescale did pinnipeds spread across the globe? It feels unlikely but did they migrate around the world or did multiple species evlove into pinnipeds independently? If the latter, what prompted this evolution?

  • @melimelon5368
    @melimelon5368 3 месяца назад +1

    Seals: unprecedented chaos

  • @strahlungsopfer
    @strahlungsopfer Год назад +6

    love the haircut, you look fabulous!

  • @veggieboyultimate
    @veggieboyultimate Год назад +4

    To think one of the cutest animals alive could be responsible for a near extinction of an animal.

  • @rohitagarwal329
    @rohitagarwal329 Год назад

    @PBS Eons, what's up with that opening animation? You find Earth 2.0 somehow? Love this channel.

  • @adrianpaterson117
    @adrianpaterson117 Год назад +1

    I prefer the idea that Nautilus' shell coiled to become a stability device

  • @Ezullof
    @Ezullof Год назад +7

    I always find it hard to believe that a predator in an open environment can drive a prey to extinction. Yes, a predator coming to a close ecosystem from a larger one, that's the island situation.
    But here we're talking about oceans and seas that are all linked to each other. And we are also not just talking about Whales and Mosasaurs, but also all kinds of predators of various sizes, including the weird Triassic ones that were about the same size as a seal - not to mention sea crocodiles that very likely preyed on nautiloids as well, and various kinds of fishes.
    It seems to me that pinnipeds alone were very likely not the only factor. What about climatic changes? More acidic seas? Competition with other organisms? The pinniped solutions seems too simple to be right. It might have caused directly some species to disappear, but not all nautiloids they encountered.

    • @johnbaker1256
      @johnbaker1256 Год назад

      It could happen if the prey is a high value food (luxury item) but not a staple food.

    • @andreiryancaballero7422
      @andreiryancaballero7422 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@johnbaker1256Sure, today? But what is the definition of high-value items and staple food before Humans even evolved?

  • @akumaking1
    @akumaking1 Год назад +3

    When will PBSeons collab with Paleo Analysis?

  • @TragoudistrosMPH
    @TragoudistrosMPH Год назад +1

    I love that you're saying the epoch And year range. I don't have all of those memorized.
    (Though I Do have my Patreon card :p)

  • @snyper182000
    @snyper182000 Год назад

    2:25 you highlight what is imo much more like a Dunkleosteus Terrelli but maybe a smaller Arthrodira but mentioned a Cephalopod and zoom in on it instead.

  • @realsalu634
    @realsalu634 Год назад +4

    Can anyone explain why animals that are so weak and barely adaptable such as the like slugs and snails are still going to this day, but Omanyte overhere got extict while having the same atributes

    • @alterego3734
      @alterego3734 Год назад +1

      Some slugs are pelagic just like fish. I think that's pretty adaptable.

    • @vincentx2850
      @vincentx2850 Год назад +2

      The best defence against predators is never strength and speed, but fecundity

    • @TragoudistrosMPH
      @TragoudistrosMPH Год назад +1

      Had a lot to do with older European thinking about strength and superiority 'fitness' but in reality whatever has kids exists.
      Being fit for your environment helps make kids that will have kids...but it's extra steps. Have kids and you'll exist. :P

    • @thomashaapalainen4108
      @thomashaapalainen4108 Год назад

      Barley adaptive? Species like the bladder snail can live off anything from leaf litter, algae , dead fish, dead insects, rotten logs, or anything organic. It can survive in frozen lakes to tropical swamps. They reproduce sexually and asexually . It's not hard to see how an animal that can live in stagnant water and can breed by it's self 20 generations of off spring off a few slimy twigs survived mass extinctions.

  • @chadbentley6782
    @chadbentley6782 Год назад +3

    Where shark :(

  • @mikebauer6917
    @mikebauer6917 Год назад

    Very interesting. I never thought about nautiloids disappearing like that.

  • @AniFam
    @AniFam Год назад +2

    Interesting~👍
    Thank you for sharing this video~🤗

  • @anthsallwonky
    @anthsallwonky Год назад +5

    Not only do I love the content you offer but I also appreciate your diverse number of hosts. thanks PBS

  • @experience741
    @experience741 Год назад +4

    Can we survive until the next 500 million years?

    • @davestagner
      @davestagner Год назад +1

      I actually expect humans to survive the next 500 million years - assuming we don’t create our own replacement (coughcoughAIcough). But that’s assuming we can preserve civilization, one capable of continuously providing enough energy and enough raw materials to last that entire time. Without civilization, we probably won’t last much longer than the typical mammal species at best - maybe a few million years. To provide the energy and raw materials needed for a continuous civilization, the ONLY options at this point are renewables (solar/geothermal) for energy, and near-100% recycling for materials. No more fossil fuels. No more nuclear fission (and probably not fusion). No more “forever chemicals” plastics. Things have to change, a lot.

    • @barbiquearea
      @barbiquearea Год назад +3

      @@davestagner For the first time in Earth's history we have a species that can leave the planet. Once we colonize the stars, our linage should be secured even if the Earth goes kaput.

    • @davestagner
      @davestagner Год назад

      @@barbiquearea IF we colonize the stars. There are a lot of potential problems between here and there. And even if we succeed in that, it will be because we solved the other problems I mentioned - powering ourselves purely on renewable sources and recycled materials. We aren’t going to just find Planet Petroleum somewhere to get by on what we’ve been doing for the past 200 years.

    • @TragoudistrosMPH
      @TragoudistrosMPH Год назад +1

      ​​@@davestagner ironically, civilization is as much cure as curse.
      Disease has been the great killer of many human civilizations. We find many ruins where famine and disease are assumed culprits.
      Hunter gatherer societies survive pretty well. It's Great Chain of Being thinking that adds hierarchy to how humans 'should' live.
      Medicine without self-destruction (war, greed, pollution) could make us outlast ants, bees, and termites that also have civilizations of their own.

    • @davestagner
      @davestagner Год назад

      @@TragoudistrosMPH Community is not the same thing as civilization. And the kind of medicine that can make a real difference requires literacy. Refined materials. Electricity. All sorts of things that hunter-gatherers don’t have.

  • @Solis_Pulchrus
    @Solis_Pulchrus Год назад +1

    It's really funny to think that these long lasting nautiloids were wiped out by a bunch of round chonky bois.

  • @lizardninja007
    @lizardninja007 Год назад +2

    The information was great but what up with the awkward pauses in the dialogue? It sounded very disjointed.

  • @grimmoris
    @grimmoris Год назад +3

    Do PBS hosts read RUclips comments? If that's the case, Love you Michelle

  • @bleh8310
    @bleh8310 Год назад +5

    F...first?

    • @lamarazmoe6438
      @lamarazmoe6438 Год назад

      Looks like you were. Congratulations 🥳

  • @wasp586
    @wasp586 Год назад +2

    How about other cephalopods? What advantages did they have to survive seal predation, or whale predation?

  • @shannarafryer3111
    @shannarafryer3111 Год назад +1

    I was beyond shocked when i found out they were still around and not extinct after Minecraft came out with the ocean update

  • @DH-xh2wy
    @DH-xh2wy Год назад +4

    Don't go WOKE Eons. It's a bad adaptation to modern pressures...

    • @myboysd5772
      @myboysd5772 Год назад +1

      What in this video is "woke" and what is your definition of "woke"?