Hi @DailyTekk, i really love your video's, but this one seems all over the place? There must have been something wrong with the editing process. Just wanted to mention that, i believe that good critique will bring you much further than to be negative. Anyway, i'm personally very overthinking all of this. I want to buy the Mac Pro, but i don't know if it's worth spending so much money when there will be new Apple computers with a very different processor.
Yeah, like a broken record. Many other youtubers have dived into this topic and at the end of the day, nobody knows. If you can wait, then wait; but if you have to have one right now, then buy it.
Well I wanna see how well silicon would go but according to my research silicon seems to out performs Intel without over heating. But I actually wanna see the initial release and some proof really. And they silicon will cost only $1,200 for a MBP
I’m with you, Apple is a corporation; however, overall they protect our privacy, and have a clear brand focus. I am as confident as an outsider can be that they have strategy, and will not leave support for intel machines behind.
“Support for years” could mean anything. Maybe not able to get the new MacOS after only a couple years. Support could mean being able to service the devices in an Apple Store for up to 7 years, and then provide other AppleCare support. This may not mean the most up to date software. Maybe would add additional point updates for security after the initial first couple years or so. Just guessing.
The current lineup of MBPs are very solid and are lining up to be very reliable and long lasting. I wouldn't buy a new design until about gen 2 or after - look how long it took them to get the current line of MBPs straightened out. I would say buy now if you need it now. Wait and re-assess if you don't need it till later.
Last time I was in for an update for my 2013 MBP and 2016 desktop, I decided that I can work with those still and went for a month long trip with the missus to Japan. Now a year later I decided to upgrade my peripherals instead, custom keyboards for us and much better displays. I guess next year it is desktop time. Depending on how well Apple will release its new MBPs. Would be preferable to do all computing on laptop instead of 60-70%. But we’re currently in middle of big generational standard shift. Last gen standards aren’t bad, but I like to be with the next long term solutions. It feels like USB4, WiFi 6, PCIE 5.0/4.0 and DDR5 will be those long term solutions since they come should up at the same 2 year period and will be the industry standard for the next 5-7 years.
If they brought the prices down massively I might buy an Intel Mac, These machines aren't cheap for something which will soon be obsolete. My 2011 (!) MBP needs updating but I don't want to throw money away like I did in 2004 with my first Mac (PowerBook) just before the Intel switch.
I bought one a couple of weeks ago. Even tho I’m interested in what Silicon has to offer but since it will be a first Gen I would rather wait to get it or see if it’s worth switching
I'm using a MBA 2010 11 inch to Video Edit. If I upgrade now, it will be huge, if I wait for Apple ARM... it will be huger...(is there such a word?). From my current perspective, its a win-win.
I'm still worried buying first gen ARM. I'll definitely wait for its second major update where they figured out all bugs of this new chipset. And that would be after 2-3 years I guess.
Chris at the end of the video talking like he’s not going to buy the first Apple Silicon Mac the second it releases 😂 you may keep the 16 inch for 4 years but we all know you’ll get that Apple Mac as soon as you can lol
Macbook pros 16 wont be updated to arm anytime soon and it will take 2 years minimum to transition all the apps and optimise them, and intel macs will be supported for many years to come. So buy now if you need
I just purchased a new MacBook Pro 13 inch, I needed it for online school because my windows machine was on life support lol. I am very happy with it, I don't think right out the gate the new chip will offer that many changes until it is more refined.
Personally I will be purchasing an IPad Pro in a few months because based on my current level of “pro work flow “ and iPad is more than enough. I also want to wait and see if an iMac gets refreshed with Apple Silicon before I even buy my first Mac. By then, I should be confident enough in my work flow requirements I’ll know what kind of Mac I really need. This timeline works great for me !
While the new macbooks will be much more powerful and maybe offer touch/pencil support I cannot imagine them selling those for anything less than a significant premium over what current macbook pro's go for. I mean 1k more for the 16inch. It only makes sense if those are going to blow all other computers out of the water, and it wont piss of there current user base as much because the value of there makebook pros on the 2ndary market will still have value for those unwilling/able to buy the macbooks with the new chips. I still think this is 3 years away from broad support, bugs/kinks worked out for the silicon and I dont think worrying about any of this is worth the energy right now, especially sense they have more intel based backs yet to be released..
Intel has been on Skylake based cores for 5 years and has also been on 14nm cores fore the last 5 years. If AMD hadn’t dropped Ryzen CPUs Intel would still have a quad core as a flagship. 5 will get you 10 the Arm based Macs are going to be faster. Both prior transitions were major performance bumps.
I work in a bank and we have 100s of financial applications which are programmed to run on Intel machines. There may be some time for all programs to be able to catch up to ARM based processors. So I would suggest to go for Intel machines now and go for ARM based machines in may be 3 years when things will be a bit mature. Well there are perks also to be an early adopter like getting hold of all iOS based apps straight away on Mac, if that matters to you.
My issue with Macs is thermals. So I'm using a 2014 MBP 15 and a 2015 MBP 15 and a Windows desktop. I would like a 16 or 17 inch MacBook Pro Apple Silicon, as long as it can run my trading programs and the iCloud Suite (which I'm sure will be available). So I'm waiting for AS. I can use my old MacBook Pros if I have anything Intel-specific.
Simply depends on user. If you use your mac to game and bootcamp into windows, jump at this. If you are a developer - jump at this. If you are a video editor wait. When ARM comes out it will essentially break the latter pretty much straight away at least until the vendors prioritise in their backlogs interop for the ARM architecture. Given that Microsoft is in direct competition with Apple and Intel have been cut off from Apple I do not forsea much by way of support or prioritisation to interop with ARM tbh. I think you would be cutting yourself off. My plan is to purchase the mid-range 27" iMac with the 512 GB storage etc with the intel chip. Allow everyone to jump at the new ARM chips. I am telling you now, professionals i.e developers (which I thought were the user base for Apple...) will suffer the most.
@James Bond well then don't go for a Mac I always felt windows was better and in the same price you can get a much better gaming laptop albeit with better thermals..
@@r.j.macready5410 I would go 2014 or 2015 Retina MacBook Pro. In fact I have 2014 and 2015 MacBook Pros and they have both been workhorses. I have two as I bought the 2014 new and bought the 2015 used two years ago as a backup. The problem is that the pandemic has used MacBooks in very short supply now. If you're using an older model for professional work, then you need to have a backup as older equipment can die at any time. My 2008 MacBook Pro lost the screen in 2018 - I think that ten years of use is really great but I think that anything over five years old could go at any time.
I am a bit stuck. Can anyone help me out. I can buy a 2020 intel MacBook Pro 16GB ram 512 storage for 1100 bucks from a friend(has 20 charge cycles) or should I wait and buy the new MacBook Pro 8GB MacBook Pro 256 storage for 1400 bucks or so? I don’t use my MacBook for editing or photoshop
I updated an i5 to an i7, just to make sure I got the last intel chip set on the MacBook Pro... I have the iPad Pro... If that doesn’t do me a while, then why bother with Apple at all?...
For professional level Intel machines, they will certainly have a high resell value as certain industries who have specialized software or hardware will want to keep their investments into that software and hardware going for many years.
Ready to upgrade, but I'm 100% apple silicon. Early adopting quick. All prices similar, I'm completely down for the first gen Apple Silicon, purely for productivity because the line in the sand will be firmly drawn against gaming and Windows. I'll be happy to have a machine for just work that isn't gimped like a Chromebook. Next gen consoles are on the horizon, the Switch is a great portable choice, and my 3 year old gaming PC will be fine for a while. My Macbook Pro doesn't have to compete against Windows anymore. It can exist in its own space and live for my own needs.
Thanks bro. I have now decided to wait for Silicon’s MacBook. I am currently having iPad Pro 2020 with the Magic Keyboard and thinking to buy a Mac cuz the iPad didn’t reach my expectations for replacing the MacBook. U changed my opinion from buying MacBook Air to Silicon’s MacBook.
I went ahead and kept my order for my 27" iMac and got it Thursday! I don't regret it at all - beautiful machine. I absolutely love the 27" iMacs. No way I was going to wait and see for up to two years for the Apple chip powered iMac. My 6 year old Macbook Pro is nice but I needed something faster NOW to handle higher demand work. It's also awesome you can still add your own RAM to these machines.. who knows if that will find it's way back into the next iMac design!
I am still using my 13 inch Macbook Pro Late 2012 up to this day, 8 years, still performing well with my projects using Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Premiere Pro. Maybe gonna wait for ARM based Macbook. for a massive change in the laptop 👍
bought the Mac Pro 7,1 and I will be buying the 8,1 also, I already started my computer fund for the Arm base Mac Pro so in 2yrs I will have my money ready but keeping my 7,1 because I want to use boot camp not parallel
A good point that you had made in the video, that Windows users who wanted the new Surface Pro x, were finding that certain apps were not configured right out of the gate and some are not even still configured to work on the device and it was a great device. For me, I just bought the MacBook Pro 13 inch 2020 1799 model. I bought the device with the intention of keeping it more than 4 years, which by then the bugs and configuration of apps should be ironed out by then.
BOTH, I’m on the market for a replacement right now. My wife is on the market for a replacement too and she’ll take over the Intel and I’ll transition to Apple Silicone, coz she couldn’t care less what she’s using...
If you can’t rock back and forth between pros and cons, what level of service would you be providing to those of us considering how to manage rotation in the Apple ecosystem? The negative remarks reflect more on those making them than on anything you do or don’t do. Rock on!
Buy a 12.9 iPad Pro that already runs on ARM and will likely see macOS pro apps ported to it in some fashion this year or early next. It doesn’t even utilize the power it has yet due to software limitations which = longevity.
The Apple chip shouldn’t affect the trade in value on a intel Mac, because for one Apple has become real big on recycling and they would want us to switch to the new chip..
One thing is clear; its making me re-assess how much I actually NEED the Apple ecosystem. Is the hiatus actually worth the trouble? What will it bring to the table? If you rely on Apple to make money (youtubers, designers etc..) then its potentially game changing. For everyong else who just uses tech to write emails, pay bills and watch youtube then is it really worth the trouble?! Could it actually be a great time to LEAVE the grip of the Apple ecosystem?
I fear that having Apple Silicon might have some hidden limitations....for example a VPN (Express in my case) on both the iPhone and the IPad OS set to open apps (e.g DAZN, SKY GO, NETFLIX) or other geo restricted content in my experience will NOT allow them to open in accordance to where you have set your VPN to. This is obviously something Apple wants, being their philosophy, so it is no surprise. Still wish you guys could confirm this, because if it wasn’t something I did something wrong, then here is a HUGE reason to get an Intel based Mac while you still can...
I have a working 2012 MBP that I love. Bought the MBP 2019 in January and passed that on to my 12 year old when the lockdown hit so he could school from home. Gave my 2012 MBP to my 10 year old so she could school from home. And just bought the 2020 $1800 MBP last week...and I am so torn if I should return it. I have a week left to decide. I'm pursuing a masters of science in acupunture so I need a computer and my kids need a computer, but I think I could share with them for a year until the new MBP comes out. My husband insists I keep this 2020 intel based MBP, but I'm wanting the Silicon. I'm so torn on if I should listen to him and keep it, or return it and borrow the kids computers for my zoom classes and many reports I have to write and present. This 2020 $1800 MBP is amazing actually, and I love it, but if they change the design it'll turn my brand new computer into an instant dinosaur. Ugh first world problems👩🏻💻
Chris, I’ve got a 2018 MBP w/Touchbar and 16GB of RAM,. Since I got mine in late 2018 there have been quite a few refreshes including the new 16” MBP. Should I keep the 2018 until the Apple silicon Macs come out, or just get a 16” model with all of its nice upgrades. I’m feeling like my 2018 is getting phased out rapidly, and will soon be underpowered.
I usually have two MacBooks at any one time - one stays attached to a monitor on the desk - one comes 'on the road' with me (in normal times). I've just bought a new 'maxed out' Air which I'd normally rely on for three years. It'll be interesting to see if I can hold out that long before buying another if the benefits of Apple Silicon turn out to be as great as anticipated. Looking forward to watching 'the story' unfold!
I don't plan to use any laptop pass 3 to 4 years so doesn't matter to me. Timing is perfect if I buy now. 2 years after planned transition period is a good time to upgrade.
Crux. If you need one now, get the Intel. If you can wait 2-3 years, then wait. Just remember the drama of Apple shifting from Power PC to Intel - what a train wreck that was.
15 and 16 MBPs Bootcamp is very bad with poor thermal management. The CPU temperature never comes under 60 DegC. The best way to use windows in a intel MBP is via parallels.
can someone help me my mac book pro 16 inches is having a buggy problem with my display and ends up restarting everything I do is there anything I can do.
It impossible to wait 😅.. I have macbook pro 15” 2017 touch bar & ID... I really keen to buy the new generation.. but for the time being just let me stick on current model
I started with the Apple II (6800 chip and tape deck), and since bought PC's and Apple products. I've just upgraded my 2015 (last decent machine) for a sixteen inch with i9, 64Gb mem, 8Gb gpu with 1Tb storage. My reasoning is the power update it took four or five years to iron out the kinks, by that time I will need a new unit anyway (if I'm still breathing) and Apple silicon will be up and running. Learn by history otherwise you will repeat the same mistakes, lucky through the first I didn't make any, but that still doesn't mean you shouldn't use historical data. If you have critical programs running through Intel or secondary OS's buy now and let the dust settle and make a informed decision then, this is not kicking the can it is acting to your best circumstances now and futuristically with data now.
Wauw! You just nailed all my worries and pros and cons. Having an old fully spec'd 2014 iMac 5K and neeeeed something portable soon. Just had to buy a suitcase to transport it :o But...when do you think we'll expect to see the first Silicon-powered Mac this year? November? December? And what about that iPad Pro? I'm primarily into podcasts (Hindenburg) and video (FCPX) and some photoshop/illustrator. Haven't owned an iPad since the first mini. Isn't the jump too massive for now? I mean...how do I even get a clip into that thing and work from an external SSD drive?
Thanks Chris. Great video, as you always do - one of the best Apple reviewers around! This has put me in a bit of a quandary - I’m still on a 15” 2014 MBP. When I got it, I upsized everything to the max and it still runs nicely. my plan was to replace it with the new 14” MBP this year but the rumour of that never eventuated so thought I’d wait a little longer. Now, I may go for the first gen silicon MBP’s when they are released, leaving me not in the sweet-spot that you are in. Lots to think about - nice problem to have though. Thanks for the great vid.
What are you gunna do with the 2014 MBP? I am looking to buy a second hand one, and since this is a maxed out version, i am def interested since it still has a lot of the important ports I need for my work load
I think the main reason why apple is switching to ARM is the heat Issue & not the CPU power. The fan noisees and the heatIssue is just annoying on the current macbooks. ipads are silent, powerful & no heat issues...
just buy it now most people change laptop 3-5years and later after 3years we will se how much better are they and you will see if you need to buy new one..first apple processors in mac will be meh and still dont know if will preform good and with others company will need time to support programs/apps i just got 13" 2020(i5-10gen,16gb,512) and its super great
I would wait unless absolutely necessary to buy one. The problem with intel chips is that Apple will most probably stop supporting them in future macOS updates.
It is hard to advise without knowledge of exact purpose of a purchase. Maybe even stay away of Apple at all. (You can sell your machine on eBay without much loss, Apple machines keep a price well.)
It's possible that if there is a feature that is REMOVED that people will greatly miss or need then there could actually be a good demand for pre-Apple chip units as well. Just speculation. Honestly, I never really sell any of my devices. I use stuff long enough (even when it isn't my primary machine) that the value I would get for it never exceeds my nostalgia for it and eventually it either becomes unusable and discarded or museum'd into a storage bin for occasional use.
Honestly, I'm hoping a lawsuit takes place if apple doesn't support their Intel Macs for at least 6 years. People dropped thousands of dollars on a product they didn't see having a major transition chip change so fast. I would highly appreciate if Tim Cook gave a timeframe for how long support will continue! I truly feel cheated! I have a 16 inch MacBook Pro thats heavily specked out and now this.
I was there when Apple transitioned from PowerPC to Intel. Practically same scenario as today. The people who bought PowerPC computers just before the switch to Intel got the short end of the stick...badly. The problem is not Apple...the problem will be the developers which will stop developing for intel based computers. When that happens (it will happen), and if someone just brought an intel based Mac they are going to end up with basically a two year old intel Mac which won't be able to run up to date software natively. I saw the demo and looks like it works "fast" using Rosetta nevertheless as soon as the transition is over no one will assure you that your two year old spanking new intel Mac (bought at full retail price) will be able to perform accordingly. If you trust Apple that intel based Macs will still be supported then you will be fine. My opinion is to wait for the new processors. If you just bought a new intel based one sell it (unless you are ok financially speaking) before the price plummets.
Thanks for making this video, mate. I cannot in good conscience advise anybody to purchase a new Intel Mac from this point onwards. They simply have to wait. If their current machine breaks and they need to replace it, I tell them to get a nice 2014/2015 MacBook Pro and enjoy the machine until the ARM Macs arrive.
"Intel NOW or Apple Silicon SOON?" Yeah, you don't know. We can tell. If you need a Mac today then whatever is available is a million miles more productive than an ARM Mac that you can't own yet. If you don't need a Mac today, then you'll do well to save your money. There.
I'm going to university in September and I have a 2015 MacBook Air, but I'm going to sell it to buy a better MacBook. I'm in doubt if apple will give chip in new MacBook with an ARM until November because if I do, I'll buy it, if it doesn't come out I'll be forced to buy one with an Intel processor. what do you think ? should i wait or not? i have the ipad pro 2020 which will work to get through during this time.
Dear Mr. Castro, my recommendation would be to keep your MBA, as it is built to an industrial strength and has HDMI, USB and SD etc inbuilt. Many UK BBC field reporters and journalists are still using their MBAs every day and they must hammer them. Get a new battery if needed. Your iPad Pro 2020 is a superb lightweight tool for most uni work. With a pencil and notability etc will do 90+ % of your note taking and daily needs, even if you study engineering. Write your notes rather than type them, as they’re easier to recall at exam times. If you cannot resist it, I suggest that you don’t buy a new MBP until you get your full university email account, as most universities have routes to get major discounts - way more than you’d get from the Apple shop - 20% typically and 4 yr warranty for free. A much better investment is a pair of great 24 to 27 inch monitor from Dell or possibly Lenovo - possibility second hand. Get height adjustable monitors with non reflective surfaces and possibly IPS. For example, I have a pair of brilliant Dell P2715Qs with HDMI, DisplayPort and Mini DisplayPort . These work with my 2015 13 in MBP (great quality and durability), a Microsoft SurfacePro 6 with a pen and docking station, for creating lectures and drawing based ideas, ( your IPad can do similar work) and a 5 year old Lenovo desktop i5 with 20gb of Ram and a new SSD for storage of research writing etc all backed up to OneDrive - critical . All this kit is durable and gets used 10+ hrs a day, for my sins. The next essential is a great keyboard and mouse. Look at the top Logitech or Microsoft ones for typing a lot on. Apple are ok and have shortcuts, but the newer Magic ones are not as good as the old battery Bluetooth ones. I make demo films and take photos on a 2017 IPad Pro and my great value new iPhone SE then edit stuff with my Apple kit - a breeze to do and superb quality with a pro mic. So I’m an Apple fan for audio visual. Finally, please don’t flash any expensive new Apple gear around on campus, for your own safety, future bank balance and security reasons. If I were you, I’d stick with the retro Air until the iOS doesn’t get updated. Take that on your trips overseas - sensible, nostalgic and durable. Based on observing hundreds of my students over many years, spend you cash on gigs, beer (optional) and trips out with your new mates. Think green..... Best of luck with your studies. PS - I lecture in engineering, and bootcamp or parallels is a must to access the special software that we give away free. This includes major packages like MS Project Pro and Visio Pro. Hence intel rules at the moment for me and my engineering tribe. Andy
The first Apple Silicon device will prob have some flaws. So if you want to buy one NOW. You should go for a Intel based system what they made for years. Maybe after 2 years the Apple Silicon is the best choice imo.
im sad and glad at the same time will the price drop it better its years away to get a 16in pro model and by then will it even compete with mobile chips like Ryzen 4000 I see lots of good things just want an actual pro machine from apple they have been lacking love the os but hate the hardware and the only thing I can see getting in the high end side is a macbook pro
If I can use all my iPhone apps in a MacBookPro, it should be seamless at the onset! Is this integration not favorable to all developers? For us users, it is! At the same time, hope Apple bring down the price . . . and won’t hasten the obsolescence of MacBooks like that of iPhones.
I purchased and just returned the brand new 2020 MacBook Pro with 10th gen intel chips. Despite the dual fans due to turbo boost I’m assuming, many users including myself found the system running hot with a few safari tabs, RUclips and Spotify running. Gonna wait for ARM.
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Hey dude editing is terrible on this one
@@ciyvi9 Plus, the audio is not centered. Had to switch for mono mode.
Hi @DailyTekk, i really love your video's, but this one seems all over the place? There must have been something wrong with the editing process. Just wanted to mention that, i believe that good critique will bring you much further than to be negative. Anyway, i'm personally very overthinking all of this. I want to buy the Mac Pro, but i don't know if it's worth spending so much money when there will be new Apple computers with a very different processor.
If you wait for the latest, you'll never buy anything.
📠 bruh
@@default2826 what they mean is people always tell you to wait for the new one comes out no matter how big of a change it is.
3 months is reasonable time to wait.
If you want the latest always update your tech. It's nano tech you like it?
If you need a mac now, buy a Mac now...
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@@hibye8405 what the hell?
Which Mac to buy: Intel NOW or Apple Silicon soon?
Yea, we don't know either.
Yeah, like a broken record. Many other youtubers have dived into this topic and at the end of the day, nobody knows. If you can wait, then wait; but if you have to have one right now, then buy it.
Well I wanna see how well silicon would go but according to my research silicon seems to out performs Intel without over heating. But I actually wanna see the initial release and some proof really. And they silicon will cost only $1,200 for a MBP
@@tonystark559 Your research at Apple?
Apple said that they would still support it for years.
I’m with you, Apple is a corporation; however, overall they protect our privacy, and have a clear brand focus. I am as confident as an outsider can be that they have strategy, and will not leave support for intel machines behind.
“Support for years” could mean anything. Maybe not able to get the new MacOS after only a couple years. Support could mean being able to service the devices in an Apple Store for up to 7 years, and then provide other AppleCare support. This may not mean the most up to date software. Maybe would add additional point updates for security after the initial first couple years or so. Just guessing.
Support for years, but why buy now?
Yeah like they did with PowerPC right.
The platform was dead after 2 years
Just watched their PowerPC to Intel transition video - they said pretty much the same thing.
Been waiting since 2018 because of the butterfly keyboards, now I have to wait another 2 years? I'll be waiting till I die
I feel u bro
The current lineup of MBPs are very solid and are lining up to be very reliable and long lasting. I wouldn't buy a new design until about gen 2 or after - look how long it took them to get the current line of MBPs straightened out. I would say buy now if you need it now. Wait and re-assess if you don't need it till later.
Plus, my old mac is going to die already💣
Same here lmao
Last time I was in for an update for my 2013 MBP and 2016 desktop, I decided that I can work with those still and went for a month long trip with the missus to Japan. Now a year later I decided to upgrade my peripherals instead, custom keyboards for us and much better displays. I guess next year it is desktop time. Depending on how well Apple will release its new MBPs. Would be preferable to do all computing on laptop instead of 60-70%.
But we’re currently in middle of big generational standard shift. Last gen standards aren’t bad, but I like to be with the next long term solutions. It feels like USB4, WiFi 6, PCIE 5.0/4.0 and DDR5 will be those long term solutions since they come should up at the same 2 year period and will be the industry standard for the next 5-7 years.
If they brought the prices down massively I might buy an Intel Mac, These machines aren't cheap for something which will soon be obsolete. My 2011 (!) MBP needs updating but I don't want to throw money away like I did in 2004 with my first Mac (PowerBook) just before the Intel switch.
What do you mean you threw money away?
I bought one a couple of weeks ago. Even tho I’m interested in what Silicon has to offer but since it will be a first Gen I would rather wait to get it or see if it’s worth switching
I'm using a MBA 2010 11 inch to Video Edit. If I upgrade now, it will be huge, if I wait for Apple ARM... it will be huger...(is there such a word?). From my current perspective, its a win-win.
Till apple figures out the arm MBPs the 2020 MBPs could be the best for a while.
I agree, I think it will be awhile until something can surpass the 16" 2020 MBP.
i just bought macbook pro 13. i think exactly the same. this one is perfection and will be for awhile.
I'm still worried buying first gen ARM. I'll definitely wait for its second major update where they figured out all bugs of this new chipset. And that would be after 2-3 years I guess.
100% my reason for just going with the intel from this year. Always bugs when they implement new tech
Chris at the end of the video talking like he’s not going to buy the first Apple Silicon Mac the second it releases 😂 you may keep the 16 inch for 4 years but we all know you’ll get that Apple Mac as soon as you can lol
Macbook pros 16 wont be updated to arm anytime soon and it will take 2 years minimum to transition all the apps and optimise them, and intel macs will be supported for many years to come. So buy now if you need
I just purchased a new MacBook Pro 13 inch, I needed it for online school because my windows machine was on life support lol. I am very happy with it, I don't think right out the gate the new chip will offer that many changes until it is more refined.
i would just buy a Macbook Air right now then wait 2 years later for an Apple Silicon Macbook Pro
Personally I will be purchasing an IPad Pro in a few months because based on my current level of “pro work flow “ and iPad is more than enough. I also want to wait and see if an iMac gets refreshed with Apple Silicon before I even buy my first Mac. By then, I should be confident enough in my work flow requirements I’ll know what kind of Mac I really need. This timeline works great for me !
I think I will wait, I'm still working on Early 2013 Macbook Pro.
While the new macbooks will be much more powerful and maybe offer touch/pencil support I cannot imagine them selling those for anything less than a significant premium over what current macbook pro's go for. I mean 1k more for the 16inch. It only makes sense if those are going to blow all other computers out of the water, and it wont piss of there current user base as much because the value of there makebook pros on the 2ndary market will still have value for those unwilling/able to buy the macbooks with the new chips. I still think this is 3 years away from broad support, bugs/kinks worked out for the silicon and I dont think worrying about any of this is worth the energy right now, especially sense they have more intel based backs yet to be released..
You need a 2013 or newer. "Haswell/Crystalwell" (4570R) processor with quad cores
Intel has been on Skylake based cores for 5 years and has also been on 14nm cores fore the last 5 years.
If AMD hadn’t dropped Ryzen CPUs Intel would still have a quad core as a flagship.
5 will get you 10 the Arm based Macs are going to be faster. Both prior transitions were major performance bumps.
I work in a bank and we have 100s of financial applications which are programmed to run on Intel machines. There may be some time for all programs to be able to catch up to ARM based processors. So I would suggest to go for Intel machines now and go for ARM based machines in may be 3 years when things will be a bit mature. Well there are perks also to be an early adopter like getting hold of all iOS based apps straight away on Mac, if that matters to you.
My issue with Macs is thermals. So I'm using a 2014 MBP 15 and a 2015 MBP 15 and a Windows desktop. I would like a 16 or 17 inch MacBook Pro Apple Silicon, as long as it can run my trading programs and the iCloud Suite (which I'm sure will be available). So I'm waiting for AS. I can use my old MacBook Pros if I have anything Intel-specific.
Simply depends on user. If you use your mac to game and bootcamp into windows, jump at this. If you are a developer - jump at this. If you are a video editor wait. When ARM comes out it will essentially break the latter pretty much straight away at least until the vendors prioritise in their backlogs interop for the ARM architecture. Given that Microsoft is in direct competition with Apple and Intel have been cut off from Apple I do not forsea much by way of support or prioritisation to interop with ARM tbh. I think you would be cutting yourself off. My plan is to purchase the mid-range 27" iMac with the 512 GB storage etc with the intel chip. Allow everyone to jump at the new ARM chips. I am telling you now, professionals i.e developers (which I thought were the user base for Apple...) will suffer the most.
Buy the Intel now which is perfected to a T after which you buy an ARM when you upgrade in two years when they perfect them..
Its just common sense..
@James Bond well then don't go for a Mac I always felt windows was better and in the same price you can get a much better gaming laptop albeit with better thermals..
I'd go used if I needed something right away. I'd prefer to wait for ARM for the improved thermals.
@@r.j.macready5410 I would go 2014 or 2015 Retina MacBook Pro. In fact I have 2014 and 2015 MacBook Pros and they have both been workhorses. I have two as I bought the 2014 new and bought the 2015 used two years ago as a backup. The problem is that the pandemic has used MacBooks in very short supply now. If you're using an older model for professional work, then you need to have a backup as older equipment can die at any time. My 2008 MacBook Pro lost the screen in 2018 - I think that ten years of use is really great but I think that anything over five years old could go at any time.
I am a bit stuck. Can anyone help me out. I can buy a 2020 intel MacBook Pro 16GB ram 512 storage for 1100 bucks from a friend(has 20 charge cycles) or should I wait and buy the new MacBook Pro 8GB MacBook Pro 256 storage for 1400 bucks or so?
I don’t use my MacBook for editing or photoshop
I updated an i5 to an i7, just to make sure I got the last intel chip set on the MacBook Pro...
I have the iPad Pro...
If that doesn’t do me a while, then why bother with Apple at all?...
Is it possible to download windows in the new macbook silicon ?
I hope developers still find use for Haptic Touch within apps instead of removing it completely like an appendectomy.
For professional level Intel machines, they will certainly have a high resell value as certain industries who have specialized software or hardware will want to keep their investments into that software and hardware going for many years.
Ready to upgrade, but I'm 100% apple silicon. Early adopting quick. All prices similar, I'm completely down for the first gen Apple Silicon, purely for productivity because the line in the sand will be firmly drawn against gaming and Windows. I'll be happy to have a machine for just work that isn't gimped like a Chromebook. Next gen consoles are on the horizon, the Switch is a great portable choice, and my 3 year old gaming PC will be fine for a while. My Macbook Pro doesn't have to compete against Windows anymore. It can exist in its own space and live for my own needs.
Thanks bro. I have now decided to wait for Silicon’s MacBook. I am currently having iPad Pro 2020 with the Magic Keyboard and thinking to buy a Mac cuz the iPad didn’t reach my expectations for replacing the MacBook. U changed my opinion from buying MacBook Air to Silicon’s MacBook.
I went ahead and kept my order for my 27" iMac and got it Thursday! I don't regret it at all - beautiful machine. I absolutely love the 27" iMacs. No way I was going to wait and see for up to two years for the Apple chip powered iMac. My 6 year old Macbook Pro is nice but I needed something faster NOW to handle higher demand work. It's also awesome you can still add your own RAM to these machines.. who knows if that will find it's way back into the next iMac design!
I am still using my 13 inch Macbook Pro Late 2012 up to this day, 8 years, still performing well with my projects using Adobe Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Premiere Pro.
Maybe gonna wait for ARM based Macbook. for a massive change in the laptop 👍
bought the Mac Pro 7,1 and I will be buying the 8,1 also, I already started my computer fund for the Arm base Mac Pro so in 2yrs I will have my money ready but keeping my 7,1 because I want to use boot camp not parallel
A good point that you had made in the video, that Windows users who wanted the new Surface Pro x, were finding that certain apps were not configured right out of the gate and some are not even still configured to work on the device and it was a great device. For me, I just bought the MacBook Pro 13 inch 2020 1799 model. I bought the device with the intention of keeping it more than 4 years, which by then the bugs and configuration of apps should be ironed out by then.
I am planning to buy macbook pro 13inch 2020 model and then change to the new MacBook arm which is gonna be released after 3yrs
I don’t need a MacBook now but I am gonna need one in less than a year so what do I do
BOTH, I’m on the market for a replacement right now. My wife is on the market for a replacement too and she’ll take over the Intel and I’ll transition to Apple Silicone, coz she couldn’t care less what she’s using...
If you can’t rock back and forth between pros and cons, what level of service would you be providing to those of us considering how to manage rotation in the Apple ecosystem? The negative remarks reflect more on those making them than on anything you do or don’t do. Rock on!
Not sure if Logic users can rest easy for a while. 3rd Party plug-ins will need to be updated if running the ARM version of Logic as host.
Buy a 12.9 iPad Pro that already runs on ARM and will likely see macOS pro apps ported to it in some fashion this year or early next. It doesn’t even utilize the power it has yet due to software limitations which = longevity.
2:39 montage mistake. Correct that and keep up the good work!
The Apple chip shouldn’t affect the trade in value on a intel Mac, because for one Apple has become real big on recycling and they would want us to switch to the new chip..
One thing is clear; its making me re-assess how much I actually NEED the Apple ecosystem. Is the hiatus actually worth the trouble? What will it bring to the table? If you rely on Apple to make money (youtubers, designers etc..) then its potentially game changing. For everyong else who just uses tech to write emails, pay bills and watch youtube then is it really worth the trouble?! Could it actually be a great time to LEAVE the grip of the Apple ecosystem?
TomUK7 uuuummmm ... ok?
I fear that having Apple Silicon might have some hidden limitations....for example a VPN (Express in my case) on both the iPhone and the IPad OS set to open apps (e.g DAZN, SKY GO, NETFLIX) or other geo restricted content in my experience will NOT allow them to open in accordance to where you have set your VPN to. This is obviously something Apple wants, being their philosophy, so it is no surprise. Still wish you guys could confirm this, because if it wasn’t something I did something wrong, then here is a HUGE reason to get an Intel based Mac while you still can...
I was confused should I buy the MacBook 16inch before . Now after watching this video I am more confused 😐
Just bought a new 13” MacBook Pro last month....
dont worry
Me too...
Hi, which MBP really suitable for a high school student, MBP 13 with 256Gb SSD or the 512Gb? Kindly help. Thanks
Great video, so informative! FYI you have a strange horizontal line going across the lower third of your frame on some shots. I.E. - 11:07.
Question is, is it reliable? Considering it is a new architecture
I think the first Apple Silicon Mac will be the MacBook Air and/or MacBook Pro 13" or Mac Mini. So the low end of the Mac range.
I have a working 2012 MBP that I love. Bought the MBP 2019 in January and passed that on to my 12 year old when the lockdown hit so he could school from home. Gave my 2012 MBP to my 10 year old so she could school from home. And just bought the 2020 $1800 MBP last week...and I am so torn if I should return it. I have a week left to decide. I'm pursuing a masters of science in acupunture so I need a computer and my kids need a computer, but I think I could share with them for a year until the new MBP comes out. My husband insists I keep this 2020 intel based MBP, but I'm wanting the Silicon. I'm so torn on if I should listen to him and keep it, or return it and borrow the kids computers for my zoom classes and many reports I have to write and present. This 2020 $1800 MBP is amazing actually, and I love it, but if they change the design it'll turn my brand new computer into an instant dinosaur. Ugh first world problems👩🏻💻
I would return and share the 2019 until it comes out. Maybe get them a cheaper laptop like hp or dell
Chris, I’ve got a 2018 MBP w/Touchbar and 16GB of RAM,. Since I got mine in late 2018 there have been quite a few refreshes including the new 16” MBP. Should I keep the 2018 until the Apple silicon Macs come out, or just get a 16” model with all of its nice upgrades. I’m feeling like my 2018 is getting phased out rapidly, and will soon be underpowered.
Intel if you need your apps and don't mind the overheating problems. ARM if you want to have something that you can bring with you forward more years.
I usually have two MacBooks at any one time - one stays attached to a monitor on the desk - one comes 'on the road' with me (in normal times). I've just bought a new 'maxed out' Air which I'd normally rely on for three years. It'll be interesting to see if I can hold out that long before buying another if the benefits of Apple Silicon turn out to be as great as anticipated. Looking forward to watching 'the story' unfold!
I don't plan to use any laptop pass 3 to 4 years so doesn't matter to me. Timing is perfect if I buy now. 2 years after planned transition period is a good time to upgrade.
Crux. If you need one now, get the Intel. If you can wait 2-3 years, then wait. Just remember the drama of Apple shifting from Power PC to Intel - what a train wreck that was.
BitsBytesBobs I don’t need one now but I’m gonna need it in less than a year so what do I do
So logic works, what about AU plugins? Will they get supported aswell?
15 and 16 MBPs Bootcamp is very bad with poor thermal management. The CPU temperature never comes under 60 DegC.
The best way to use windows in a intel MBP is via parallels.
can someone help me my mac book pro 16 inches is having a buggy problem with my display and ends up restarting everything I do is there anything I can do.
It impossible to wait 😅.. I have macbook pro 15” 2017 touch bar & ID... I really keen to buy the new generation.. but for the time being just let me stick on current model
I started with the Apple II (6800 chip and tape deck), and since bought PC's and Apple products. I've just upgraded my 2015 (last decent machine) for a sixteen inch with i9, 64Gb mem, 8Gb gpu with 1Tb storage. My reasoning is the power update it took four or five years to iron out the kinks, by that time I will need a new unit anyway (if I'm still breathing) and Apple silicon will be up and running. Learn by history otherwise you will repeat the same mistakes, lucky through the first I didn't make any, but that still doesn't mean you shouldn't use historical data. If you have critical programs running through Intel or secondary OS's buy now and let the dust settle and make a informed decision then, this is not kicking the can it is acting to your best circumstances now and futuristically with data now.
The thing for the apple silicon is, how much will it be?
Wauw! You just nailed all my worries and pros and cons. Having an old fully spec'd 2014 iMac 5K and neeeeed something portable soon. Just had to buy a suitcase to transport it :o But...when do you think we'll expect to see the first Silicon-powered Mac this year? November? December? And what about that iPad Pro? I'm primarily into podcasts (Hindenburg) and video (FCPX) and some photoshop/illustrator. Haven't owned an iPad since the first mini. Isn't the jump too massive for now? I mean...how do I even get a clip into that thing and work from an external SSD drive?
I don't want big advances in performance every year. It will just make current computers go obsolete sooner. No thanks.
I want to wait for the micro LED iMac with apple chip.
Thanks Chris. Great video, as you always do - one of the best Apple reviewers around!
This has put me in a bit of a quandary - I’m still on a 15” 2014 MBP. When I got it, I upsized everything to the max and it still runs nicely. my plan was to replace it with the new 14” MBP this year but the rumour of that never eventuated so thought I’d wait a little longer. Now, I may go for the first gen silicon MBP’s when they are released, leaving me not in the sweet-spot that you are in.
Lots to think about - nice problem to have though. Thanks for the great vid.
What are you gunna do with the 2014 MBP? I am looking to buy a second hand one, and since this is a maxed out version, i am def interested since it still has a lot of the important ports I need for my work load
Unless I can downgrade to Mojave for all my apps ain’t gonna buy no new Mac! I’ll stick to my Sexy 2.8GHz i7 2015 15” MacBook Pro!
But just one question: "Can I program C, Java and Python on ARM?"
Hope the new Macs with Apple silicon are not going to be like Chrome books....
I think the main reason why apple is switching to ARM is the heat Issue & not the CPU power. The fan noisees and the heatIssue is just annoying on the current macbooks. ipads are silent, powerful & no heat issues...
just buy it now most people change laptop 3-5years and later after 3years we will se how much better are they and you will see if you need to buy new one..first apple processors in mac will be meh and still dont know if will preform good and with others company will need time to support programs/apps
i just got 13" 2020(i5-10gen,16gb,512) and its super great
the very right time to buy a MAC is right this moment!
I would rather have a longer battery life say 15/18hrs over huge performance jump longer battery would be my number one wish
And there are plenty of good working used and refurbished Macs available as well.
I would wait unless absolutely necessary to buy one. The problem with intel chips is that Apple will most probably stop supporting them in future macOS updates.
I think you should buy a Mac if you need one. Don’t buy a Generation 1 revision A computer. Wait a few months after Apple releases the Apple chips.
It is hard to advise without knowledge of exact purpose of a purchase. Maybe even stay away of Apple at all. (You can sell your machine on eBay without much loss, Apple machines keep a price well.)
Do you think the intel MacBooks trade in value be much lower once the new MacBooks come out?
I really don’t know I was just speculating
It's possible that if there is a feature that is REMOVED that people will greatly miss or need then there could actually be a good demand for pre-Apple chip units as well. Just speculation. Honestly, I never really sell any of my devices. I use stuff long enough (even when it isn't my primary machine) that the value I would get for it never exceeds my nostalgia for it and eventually it either becomes unusable and discarded or museum'd into a storage bin for occasional use.
Apple is using India's Shakti processor as apple silicon processor ...
I have Pro 2018 and waiting for new one
Did he just hit the 15" macbook with the 13" one at 8:03? Ooh, that's gonna leave a mark.
Yeah there's the mark at 10:04 :D
I cringed mentally IRL when it happened
Honestly, I'm hoping a lawsuit takes place if apple doesn't support their Intel Macs for at least 6 years. People dropped thousands of dollars on a product they didn't see having a major transition chip change so fast. I would highly appreciate if Tim Cook gave a timeframe for how long support will continue! I truly feel cheated! I have a 16 inch MacBook Pro thats heavily specked out and now this.
Matt Schwartz You missed the entire point.
The transition will probably take around 2 years to fully take place.
I was there when Apple transitioned from PowerPC to Intel. Practically same scenario as today. The people who bought PowerPC computers just before the switch to Intel got the short end of the stick...badly. The problem is not Apple...the problem will be the developers which will stop developing for intel based computers. When that happens (it will happen), and if someone just brought an intel based Mac they are going to end up with basically a two year old intel Mac which won't be able to run up to date software natively. I saw the demo and looks like it works "fast" using Rosetta nevertheless as soon as the transition is over no one will assure you that your two year old spanking new intel Mac (bought at full retail price) will be able to perform accordingly. If you trust Apple that intel based Macs will still be supported then you will be fine. My opinion is to wait for the new processors. If you just bought a new intel based one sell it (unless you are ok financially speaking) before the price plummets.
I would wait
Thanks for making this video, mate. I cannot in good conscience advise anybody to purchase a new Intel Mac from this point onwards. They simply have to wait. If their current machine breaks and they need to replace it, I tell them to get a nice 2014/2015 MacBook Pro and enjoy the machine until the ARM Macs arrive.
nice to hear about adobe and apple is working
"Intel NOW or Apple Silicon SOON?"
Yeah, you don't know. We can tell.
If you need a Mac today then whatever is available is a million miles more productive than an ARM Mac that you can't own yet.
If you don't need a Mac today, then you'll do well to save your money.
There.
I’m a freshmen I really need a Mac book , should I wait ?
I'm getting too old to wait.
buy now, no worries
Yes..😭I am sick of waiting for ages
I'm going to university in September and I have a 2015 MacBook Air, but I'm going to sell it to buy a better MacBook. I'm in doubt if apple will give chip in new MacBook with an ARM until November because if I do, I'll buy it, if it doesn't come out I'll be forced to buy one with an Intel processor. what do you think ? should i wait or not? i have the ipad pro 2020 which will work to get through during this time.
Dear Mr. Castro, my recommendation would be to keep your MBA, as it is built to an industrial strength and has HDMI, USB and SD etc inbuilt. Many UK BBC field reporters and journalists are still using their MBAs every day and they must hammer them. Get a new battery if needed.
Your iPad Pro 2020 is a superb lightweight tool for most uni work. With a pencil and notability etc will do 90+ % of your note taking and daily needs, even if you study engineering. Write your notes rather than type them, as they’re easier to recall at exam times.
If you cannot resist it, I suggest that you don’t buy a new MBP until you get your full university email account, as most universities have routes to get major discounts - way more than you’d get from the Apple shop - 20% typically and 4 yr warranty for free.
A much better investment is a pair of great 24 to 27 inch monitor from Dell or possibly Lenovo - possibility second hand. Get height adjustable monitors with non reflective surfaces and possibly IPS. For example, I have a pair of brilliant Dell P2715Qs with HDMI, DisplayPort and Mini DisplayPort . These work with my 2015 13 in MBP (great quality and durability), a Microsoft SurfacePro 6 with a pen and docking station, for creating lectures and drawing based ideas, ( your IPad can do similar work) and a 5 year old Lenovo desktop i5 with 20gb of Ram and a new SSD for storage of research writing etc all backed up to OneDrive - critical .
All this kit is durable and gets used 10+ hrs a day, for my sins. The next essential is a great keyboard and mouse. Look at the top Logitech or Microsoft ones for typing a lot on. Apple are ok and have shortcuts, but the newer Magic ones are not as good as the old battery Bluetooth ones.
I make demo films and take photos on a 2017 IPad Pro and my great value new iPhone SE then edit stuff with my Apple kit - a breeze to do and superb quality with a pro mic. So I’m an Apple fan for audio visual.
Finally, please don’t flash any expensive new Apple gear around on campus, for your own safety, future bank balance and security reasons.
If I were you, I’d stick with the retro Air until the iOS doesn’t get updated. Take that on your trips overseas - sensible, nostalgic and durable.
Based on observing hundreds of my students over many years, spend you cash on gigs, beer (optional) and trips out with your new mates. Think green.....
Best of luck with your studies.
PS - I lecture in engineering, and bootcamp or parallels is a must to access the special software that we give away free. This includes major packages like MS Project Pro and Visio Pro. Hence intel rules at the moment for me and my engineering tribe.
Andy
It looked to me like the adobe products featured in the keynote was the iPad versions. It was not LRClassic and Desktop Photoshop.
However, the Final Cut is surely the desktop app.
The first Apple Silicon device will prob have some flaws. So if you want to buy one NOW. You should go for a Intel based system what they made for years. Maybe after 2 years the Apple Silicon is the best choice imo.
Really Helped! Can he make "Catch This Waaaave" available on spotify please?
What is the name of the Bluetooth utility you use with your bluetooth devices on your macs?
Bluetooth
im sad and glad at the same time will the price drop it better its years away to get a 16in pro model and by then will it even compete with mobile chips like Ryzen 4000 I see lots of good things just want an actual pro machine from apple they have been lacking love the os but hate the hardware and the only thing I can see getting in the high end side is a macbook pro
Will the ARM macs be able to run windows OS?
Never, they will not support Bootcamp needed to run Windows OS
Colin why not windows arm
I’m not buying another computer until I get Apple silicon. I have an iPad Pro and it is much faster than my i5 16GB pc. I enjoy it more too.
Its faster running baby ARM based apps that don't run on your x86/64 bit PC. Dilbert.
If I can use all my iPhone apps in a MacBookPro, it should be seamless at the onset! Is this integration not favorable to all developers? For us users, it is!
At the same time, hope Apple bring down the price . . . and won’t hasten the obsolescence of MacBooks like that of iPhones.
I purchased and just returned the brand new 2020 MacBook Pro with 10th gen intel chips. Despite the dual fans due to turbo boost I’m assuming, many users including myself found the system running hot with a few safari tabs, RUclips and Spotify running. Gonna wait for ARM.