I can’t wait to buy one. Because I’m moving to Molokai Hawaii. And gasoline is six dollars a gallon there. And basically I just drive the most when I did drive. 20 to 30 miles a day. So basically I’ll have free power 365 days a year and drive for nothing but the price of the car maintenance
I'm hoping that there are no plans to "discard" Beta. It will probably be put up for display at Aptera HQ along with Gamma and the Alphas and we customers won't see it again. But it will be retained for its historical value. Back in March, when Aptera announced that Beta would be going to Italy for testing, I was a bit confused. Like you, I had assumed Beta had been thoroughly tested, and CPC was designing the PI suspension. It appeared from Steve's words that CPC was finalizing the details of the suspension, in terms of bearings and rod length, and wanted to do real world testing. I didn't think Beta would be useful because It doesn't have the PI suspension. With this update it's a bit clearer, and I probably misunderstood. Chris mentions "frequency slip" and harsh deceleration. Frequency slip appears to refer to the motors, and how vibration of the suspension can cause loss of power going into the motors. Or coming out of the motors, for regenerative braking. Notice how the initial testing of Beta focused on the eventual crash testing, testing the characteristics of the body against the simulation. The suspension testing was a separate part of the test, mostly under rapid acceleration, or vibration or curb collision. This is just speculation, but I think CPC pointed out some missed details in the testing, mainly the reaction of the suspension to rapid deceleration. None of the tests in Italy were about the body, they were just testing the suspension of Beta. Chris does not say that the suspension in Italy is ready, but he doesn't say it isn't ready either. All he says is they are waiting for it to arrive in CA so they can put it in PI1. It may still need to be tested in PI2, but it can be delivered on its final form for inclusion in PI1. I interpret this as meaning that either PI2 has been built in Italy and they are satisfied with the final design, or they foresee no problems with the suspension during validation in Italy.
Richardryley I love the way you think , I was hoping the PI 2 was ready . Hopefully it is done but we really don’t know until the June webinar . All that sounds likely , here’s hoping for the best . 😎
It's possible that PI2 has not been made yet, but I'm hoping that's not the case. Even if CPC hasn't done their track testing yet, it will be a lot easier to do validation if there is more than one model to test concurrently. Especially if one can be kept overseas. There's also the statement that PI2 was intended to be the first one completed, when I assumed that would be PI3. Hopefully there will be a lot more details about this on June 6.
@@freepower1082 Starting at 1:54 of you video Chris says, "We don't have the first chassis on sight yet but we are making amazing progress in San Diego." Even if this video was recorded 3 weeks ago its doubtful PI2 is ready. My hope for the PI2 is no later then the end of July. *On a side note why San Diego and not Carlsbad?* Next, about the recent testing on the Beta. At 3:58 in the video Chris says, "Then when you make a change in the future you know that the change is going to work in a predictable manner." So my guess is that they made some changes. They could be relatively big or relatively small. But because of the testing they have done before its easy for them to predict what's going to happen. So the most recent testing is probably the dotting of I's and crossing the T's to the recent changes they made. Another way to say it is. The changes they recently made are the future changes Chris was referring to.
The Beta has nearly nothing to do with the production intent vehicle. So just a waste of time and money. They do not even have a bare Pi chassis for testing. But will start production soon. Sure.
@@vic321344 production is probably 9 months to a year out is that soon? Not possible given the recent deal with US capital? Why are you so negative negative negative? You're not even giving constructive criticism just criticism based on ignorance. Clearly you don't understand why they are using the beta vehicle. Beta is a test vehicle. They are using it to test the suspension. Making small adjustments so the PI vehicles will be as close to production quality as possible. The fact that this information and understanding goes right over your head is mind blowing. If you're just going to troll and be wrong about everything you say maybe you shouldn't even bother.
I can see a "beach buggy" option with removable doors and wheel fairings. It could be wrapped in bright fluorescent green. 😂 You wouldn't want a permanent option because the drag coefficient would be terrible. But for cruising up and down the beach it would be great.
With radical vehicles such as the Aptera, they of course will lose a lot of money selling them until they have achieved scale. They should charge 10x for the first vehicles that they dribble out. Early adopters are a special breed. Some of them have deep pockets and will pay for the honor of being in the vanguard. This will enable a company to get their product in the hands of more people, without bankrupting themselves before they can get out of the red.
The "real reviews" will come after vehicles start shipping. Everyone who is paying attention to climate change knows that vehicles like the Aptera are needed. Those of us who have ridden in prototypes also know that they are big fun!
@@n.brucenelson5920 "will come", "Will be", the most used words with Aptera. They just sell empty promises. Since 2009. The protoype you have ridden has nearls nothing in common with the production intent vehicle. It has much more in common with the 2009 Aptera.
Aptera just barely qualifies as a three wheel auto-cycle and not a motorcycle. They seem to be careful to refer to it as a vehicle and NOT a car. Suspension testing. Omnitraks, which used to be part of Qualcomm in San Diego, wanted to test their truck mounted electronic equipment for performance on bad (potholed) roads. They put a bunch of accelerometers on a truck and drove them down the worst roads they could find recording the accelerations. They then put linear hydraulic actuators under each wheel and drove them until the test accelerometers matched those of the actual road. They could test 10 miles of bad road in a laboratory with photography and oscilloscopes. They had mappings for many bad roads. This doesn't test lateral accelerations around curves. The photograph of Torrey Pines State Beach on the Aptera website is one of the most scenic views in San Diego.
Today, all you need is something from motorsports. For example, AIM has pretty much everything they would need. So, suspension testing is not a big deal. It is if you test it with something that is not like what the production model is. In this case, that's what they are doing.
CA has said that FSD requires as much power as the Aptera uses to push the vehicle down the road, effectively doubling the power cost. Not good for efficiency.
The DOJ is currently conducting a criminal investigation on Tesla FSD and on Elon false advertising. It may take years for this investigation to conclude because it involves 13 fatalities and more than 400 injuries.
Someone has no idea of the environmental crisis we are in the middle of, in spite of the evidence all around us. Aptera is pointing us in a better direction.
@@n.brucenelson5920 TANK TURN! My gosh you are still above ground......and still waiting way past that 2022 delivery date. Any high-school kid with a calculator can do the math to see that EVs are, and will forever be, a drop in the bucket of co2 output. You got to wonder how many flightless bird turd miles will need to be driven before it breaks even with the added co2 of the decade and a half of production time.
@@doclees11 That might be your problem, you don't even know as much as a high school kid with a calculator. Perhaps you have forgotten that it is not only the fuel itself that EVs replace, but also all the CO2 producing power that is used to refine and transport that fuel. "forgetting" the details doesn't lead you to a correct understanding of the impact of even a small number of lower pollution generating vehicles.
@@n.brucenelson5920 that's plain BS. But since you are a brilliant visionary, please, crunch the numbers and show me I'm wrong. Ah but you won't because you can't. So you will make up some other ad hominem deflecting comment.
@@doclees11 Are you calling the energy and extra CO2 used to produce fuel from petroleum plain BS? You have been attempting to use ad hominem attacks on me with every interaction including this one, and everyone who reads them sees through you.
They had a prototype 13 years ago when tesla didn't hardly have anything. Now they have several prototypes. Nothing to sell. Huge money burn. Developing in Italy huge money burn. Tesla will have there $25K car out before Aptera gets off there ass. Then there will be no market. Biggest waste of money since Elio.
On a new AOC video Chris implied that there were some changes made to the Beta before retecting in Itialy.
I can't find the video you're showing at the 2:30 mark. Can you link it in the description or give us the name of the video?
Is there even an estimated date to start production?
I can’t wait to buy one. Because I’m moving to Molokai Hawaii. And gasoline is six dollars a gallon there. And basically I just drive the most when I did drive. 20 to 30 miles a day. So basically I’ll have free power 365 days a year and drive for nothing but the price of the car maintenance
Chris said Beta was retired now. did it's job. Go Aptera will not be much longer to production.
Hay marcmayou , I’m going to miss the Beta . 😔
@@freepower1082 Hey just go out to your car and start taking the fenders off. Then the hood and trunk lid.
Glad someone ìs putting up money, when was your Aptera promised?
I hope u don't get burned.
In the thumbnails on the right of my screen I see an Aptera. It is a Jay Leno's Garage episode. It is from 11 years ago! 🙁
Not the same company or vehicle.
I'm hoping that there are no plans to "discard" Beta. It will probably be put up for display at Aptera HQ along with Gamma and the Alphas and we customers won't see it again. But it will be retained for its historical value.
Back in March, when Aptera announced that Beta would be going to Italy for testing, I was a bit confused. Like you, I had assumed Beta had been thoroughly tested, and CPC was designing the PI suspension. It appeared from Steve's words that CPC was finalizing the details of the suspension, in terms of bearings and rod length, and wanted to do real world testing. I didn't think Beta would be useful because It doesn't have the PI suspension.
With this update it's a bit clearer, and I probably misunderstood. Chris mentions "frequency slip" and harsh deceleration. Frequency slip appears to refer to the motors, and how vibration of the suspension can cause loss of power going into the motors. Or coming out of the motors, for regenerative braking.
Notice how the initial testing of Beta focused on the eventual crash testing, testing the characteristics of the body against the simulation. The suspension testing was a separate part of the test, mostly under rapid acceleration, or vibration or curb collision. This is just speculation, but I think CPC pointed out some missed details in the testing, mainly the reaction of the suspension to rapid deceleration. None of the tests in Italy were about the body, they were just testing the suspension of Beta.
Chris does not say that the suspension in Italy is ready, but he doesn't say it isn't ready either. All he says is they are waiting for it to arrive in CA so they can put it in PI1. It may still need to be tested in PI2, but it can be delivered on its final form for inclusion in PI1. I interpret this as meaning that either PI2 has been built in Italy and they are satisfied with the final design, or they foresee no problems with the suspension during validation in Italy.
Richardryley I love the way you think , I was hoping the PI 2 was ready . Hopefully it is done but we really don’t know until the June webinar . All that sounds likely , here’s hoping for the best . 😎
It's possible that PI2 has not been made yet, but I'm hoping that's not the case. Even if CPC hasn't done their track testing yet, it will be a lot easier to do validation if there is more than one model to test concurrently. Especially if one can be kept overseas.
There's also the statement that PI2 was intended to be the first one completed, when I assumed that would be PI3. Hopefully there will be a lot more details about this on June 6.
@@freepower1082 Starting at 1:54 of you video Chris says, "We don't have the first chassis on sight yet but we are making amazing progress in San Diego." Even if this video was recorded 3 weeks ago its doubtful PI2 is ready. My hope for the PI2 is no later then the end of July.
*On a side note why San Diego and not Carlsbad?*
Next, about the recent testing on the Beta. At 3:58 in the video Chris says, "Then when you make a change in the future you know that the change is going to work in a predictable manner." So my guess is that they made some changes. They could be relatively big or relatively small. But because of the testing they have done before its easy for them to predict what's going to happen. So the most recent testing is probably the dotting of I's and crossing the T's to the recent changes they made.
Another way to say it is. The changes they recently made are the future changes Chris was referring to.
The Beta has nearly nothing to do with the production intent vehicle. So just a waste of time and money. They do not even have a bare Pi chassis for testing. But will start production soon. Sure.
@@vic321344 production is probably 9 months to a year out is that soon? Not possible given the recent deal with US capital? Why are you so negative negative negative? You're not even giving constructive criticism just criticism based on ignorance.
Clearly you don't understand why they are using the beta vehicle. Beta is a test vehicle. They are using it to test the suspension. Making small adjustments so the PI vehicles will be as close to production quality as possible. The fact that this information and understanding goes right over your head is mind blowing.
If you're just going to troll and be wrong about everything you say maybe you shouldn't even bother.
Oooooo...! "3" Wheel Drive...!🤔
I want to own the beta. They should put it up for auction
I can see a "beach buggy" option with removable doors and wheel fairings. It could be wrapped in bright fluorescent green. 😂
You wouldn't want a permanent option because the drag coefficient would be terrible. But for cruising up and down the beach it would be great.
That would be awesome , the Aptera buggy . 😎
@@richardryley3660 that was my other thought lol
Beta will go in a museum
Or in a dumpster. Like the Apteras of 2009.
With radical vehicles such as the Aptera, they of course will lose a lot of money selling them until they have achieved scale.
They should charge 10x for the first vehicles that they dribble out.
Early adopters are a special breed. Some of them have deep pockets and will pay for the honor of being in the vanguard.
This will enable a company to get their product in the hands of more people, without bankrupting themselves before they can get out of the red.
So you would spend 500k for this three wheeled motorcycle?
Investors, send your money now. Where are the real reveiws?
The "real reviews" will come after vehicles start shipping. Everyone who is paying attention to climate change knows that vehicles like the Aptera are needed. Those of us who have ridden in prototypes also know that they are big fun!
@@n.brucenelson5920 "will come", "Will be", the most used words with Aptera. They just sell empty promises. Since 2009. The protoype you have ridden has nearls nothing in common with the production intent vehicle. It has much more in common with the 2009 Aptera.
Beta would go for a museum “tobecreated”
Or in a dumpster like the 2009 prototypes.
Aptera just barely qualifies as a three wheel auto-cycle and not a motorcycle. They seem to be careful to refer to it as a vehicle and NOT a car. Suspension testing. Omnitraks, which used to be part of Qualcomm in San Diego, wanted to test their truck mounted electronic equipment for performance on bad (potholed) roads. They put a bunch of accelerometers on a truck and drove them down the worst roads they could find recording the accelerations. They then put linear hydraulic actuators under each wheel and drove them until the test accelerometers matched those of the actual road. They could test 10 miles of bad road in a laboratory with photography and oscilloscopes. They had mappings for many bad roads. This doesn't test lateral accelerations around curves. The photograph of Torrey Pines State Beach on the Aptera website is one of the most scenic views in San Diego.
Today, all you need is something from motorsports. For example, AIM has pretty much everything they would need. So, suspension testing is not a big deal. It is if you test it with something that is not like what the production model is. In this case, that's what they are doing.
Nice magic trick, but still no production after saying they would be in production well over a year ago. Is this another Elio?
No, it's another Tesla!
Aptera was in production 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022,2023, 2024. And they will continue to be in production. Theoretically.
When Bying possible ? Without Elon this will never see the streets ! So sad!
Aptera… please … seek FSD license /camera placement design help from
TESLA while beta is still in pre production …
FSD is inevitable!
I agree, but… if it delays coming to market. Make FSD on the next generation.
NO
No. Avoid the cult and $100/month fee. Going with CommAi and OpenPilot was a good choice by Aptera.
CA has said that FSD requires as much power as the Aptera uses to push the vehicle down the road, effectively doubling the power cost. Not good for efficiency.
The DOJ is currently conducting a criminal investigation on Tesla FSD and on Elon false advertising.
It may take years for this investigation to conclude because it involves 13 fatalities and more than 400 injuries.
The only thing magic about this rolling turd is how quickly it takes investor's money and turns it into dust.
Someone has no idea of the environmental crisis we are in the middle of, in spite of the evidence all around us.
Aptera is pointing us in a better direction.
@@n.brucenelson5920 TANK TURN! My gosh you are still above ground......and still waiting way past that 2022 delivery date. Any high-school kid with a calculator can do the math to see that EVs are, and will forever be, a drop in the bucket of co2 output. You got to wonder how many flightless bird turd miles will need to be driven before it breaks even with the added co2 of the decade and a half of production time.
@@doclees11 That might be your problem, you don't even know as much as a high school kid with a calculator.
Perhaps you have forgotten that it is not only the fuel itself that EVs replace, but also all the CO2 producing power that is used to refine and transport that fuel. "forgetting" the details doesn't lead you to a correct understanding of the impact of even a small number of lower pollution generating vehicles.
@@n.brucenelson5920 that's plain BS. But since you are a brilliant visionary, please, crunch the numbers and show me I'm wrong. Ah but you won't because you can't. So you will make up some other ad hominem deflecting comment.
@@doclees11 Are you calling the energy and extra CO2 used to produce fuel from petroleum plain BS?
You have been attempting to use ad hominem attacks on me with every interaction including this one, and everyone who reads them sees through you.
Apteras magic Trick: Sell something that does not exist. Since 2009.
They had a prototype 13 years ago when tesla didn't hardly have anything. Now they have several prototypes. Nothing to sell. Huge money burn. Developing in Italy huge money burn. Tesla will have there $25K car out before Aptera gets off there ass. Then there will be no market. Biggest waste of money since Elio.
These are two different companies.
The future is still with Aptera, it has just taken a lot longer
Aptera's magic trick is getting suckers to pony up money for nothing. Dought if they will ever come out with a car. Reminds me of Elio.
*doubt*
I doubt you passed English.
Tesla will have a 25K car before
Aptera ever has 1 to sell then who would buy 1.
@@mikenovak5226 Well, they have about 46,000 orders already. Plus mine. Go check for yourself.
@@mikenovak5226 Well, they have about 46,000 preorders already. Plus mine. Go check for yourself. I *dought* you will.