Why Isn't Aptera In Production Yet? (And Other Questions We Know You Want Answered)
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- Опубликовано: 12 дек 2024
- During our most recent visit to Aptera in San Diego, we were given the chance to drive Aptera Gamma for the first time - • We Had The Chance To D... - in a video that was later misrepresented by some terrible reporting from The Sun - ruclips.net/user/li...
Today though, we're rounding off our visit to Aptera with a one on one with Aptera CEO Chris Antony, where we ask some of the questions we've had over why Aptera isn't in production yet, what challenges lie ahead, and just why our Aptera Gamma drive wasn't as smooth as we'd initially hoped.
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A CEO publicly admitting to his own mistake and immediately fixing it? Now that's a breath of fresh air.
Yeah but it's the 2nd time in a month he made a big mistake, last time on NBC the Aptera couldn't get up a shallow hill
4 years of development and spending 100 million dollars is not enough to make something that works ???
Exactly @shrimptopian3392!
I have not seen a single mistake like this from Lightyear or Sono Motors, Aptera needs to be more like them.
/sarcasm
Mistakes happen, but usually happen in private. Which is the whole point of this video, funnily enough.
Yeah more like slick obfuscation, dodging and avoiding. OBVIOUS reality is this prototype is crap, may have potential, wish them well, but so far?....FAIL.
@@shrimptopian3392 I see five fake prototypes; a couple of rented buildings; an unknown wage bill; some supply deals with few supplies (other than the CPC costs), plus some cheap marketing costs, and I just can't imagine how that gets near $100 million. I see lots of room for millions to be lost in brown paper bags, and that is why I think they are hanging on. Plus the need to ensure any audit on collapse doesn't find some of those missing millions.
what a bunch of awful little trolls responding to your comment lol
Thank you for doing this Nikki. Really appreciate Chris' candour and openness to collaboration. I am really excited to see Aptera on the roads. It's a bold departure from the boring march towards bigger and less efficient vehicles. Compact, hyperefficient, and boldly designed. Oh yeah, and affordable. Love it.
I don't trust this guy to pay his share of dinner. Wish them well but so far a FAIL w no reason to expect more in the future.
@@Mrbfgray Steve took the fall last time, so it was his turn. Steve forgot to install critical hoses for six months, so Chris couldn't say they weren't still done.
@@aussieideasman8498 Taking over a decade to create a prototype that doesn't work? Sorry that's a FAIL. Give them a 0.5% chance of existing by end of decade.
You think this is small but it is as wide as a Hummer and only about 6" shorter than a London Black Cab that can seat 7 adults including luggage. It is efficient in it's energy use but not in the amount of road space it takes up to carrying only two people.
I joined the Accelerator Program, I'm doing my part to help Aptera reach production.
Keep grinding, looking forward to next year.
As a small investor and reservation holder, I wish Aptera the best. It is admirable that Aptera still remains potentially viable.
Yup. All the really need is cash to push it forward to production.
Seems pretty mysterious or scammy that their "factory" is completely DEAD in each and every video out there. They blew through 24 MILLION dollars and declared bankruptcy in 2011 and they still have NO production. Just like the tesla lies, their product is always going to arrive "next year". I think a better investment for your money would be to flush it down the toilet. At least then you can watch it go away.
I can't wait to see Aptera on the roads 🤘🏽😊
my septuagenarian wife and I are big fans of you and your whole team. We appreciate all that you, and they do, to inform us with concise, accurate, pertinent data regarding EV's. It is presented with a "casual professionalism" we find refreshing. (love the "Short Shorts" segments and Kate's technical "nerd stats").
P. S.
2 years ago we reserved an Aptera 3wd with the 600 mile battery so we always tune into your show when Apterae are discussed.
Very hopeful for Aptera. Looking back to the 2006-2011 years and thereafter, there's a optimistic sense of progress from Aptera and its team today.
Yeah, X-Prize overheating last time; now two more instances. That's progress.
@@aussieideasman8498 Even the 1st Gen Prius before its US debut had teething issues
I don't know of another company so open through the entire development process, it's simply unheard of. This follow-up with Chris Antony just reinforces it once again. Thank you TE team!
Sono did the same. Also just empty promises and virtual phantasies. And they are bancrupt.
@@vic321344 Maybe you haven't looked into Aptera, none of those things are true. While it's not without risk, as is any startup, it is a completely different scenario. Aptera already has enough funding to make it into production. Additional funding is only necessary to scale quickly.
As long as Aptera brings this thing to market I will buy it. Thank you Nikki!
Thanks Nikki and Chris for updating us on the challenges that Aptera has faced and overcome on the rocky road towards production. I'm an Aptera Accelerator investor because I like their focus on building a super efficient vehicle, in an automotive world that is focusing on building big EV trucks, SUVs, and crossovers. I am excited to see the production intent Aptera on the road and being tested in the coming months, because it means that we are one step closer to production, and me having my own Aptera.
As an accredited investor in Aptera, I believe in Chris and Steve's leadership. I am excited to hear that their production-ready vehicle which is *Driven by the Sun* is in the near future.🔌🔌🔌
Thank you for embracing this visionary, transportation technology I believe Aptera Motors will be a real disruptor.
Management is proving their ability to work through challenging situations. I believe this demonstrates managements aptitude in not only a well timed IPO, but a profitable sustainable operation as well.
I do expect future challenges, but with this management team in place, I believe they are up to the challenges.
My wife and I believe in Steve and Chris's vision and leadership also and want to thank the accredited investors for their support of the company at these early stages! The automotive industry needs, and the public wants, Aptera's success. We would join you if we were in a financial position to do so, but we are a much smaller investor.
Gullible has three ls.
I think that the Aptera LE is going to be far more advanced and production ready than the old Tesla Roadster. But I am sure they will find many thing that they can improve over the years. But I still want one of the early ones. I want to start enjoying it as soon as possible. I am willing to put up with a few warts. I am thankful that Chris and Steve are sharing the journey so that I can have the patience to wait for it.
They're over 10 years into the Aptera and it still doesn't have regen or hill holder? I love this car, I really do and I wish it came to our market and it most likely won't but I don't see this car on the road. Probably ever.
Thanks!
It is sad that some media outlets will take and twist or select only certain portions of something to create a false narrative. This is where I would have been less open about media drives at this point. When they had the obvious test mule, sure, share it. Now that they are coming down the final stretch, the vehicle looks complete, so when things go wrong, it is easier for the jerks of the world to try and spin a negative image of the product. Since Aptera is very dependent on investors, I get them wanting to have a more open process with the hopes of bringing in more backers, not to mention keep current ones feeling like things are good. As a minor investor in Acrimoto, I am not feeling so hot about how they have handled things.
I hope by summer of next year, deliveries really do happen. I think Aptera has pushed things back to the point where pushing back more would become a very large negative. I get the whole do not rush because they want to do it right, but production hell must be faced and the journey through that phase needs to happen. There is such thing as too much time in planning and design. There will always be new tech just around the corner to make a vehicle better and if you wait for every bit of tech that will make things better before going into production, you will never be in production.
I am looking forward to seeing Aptera vehicles out in the wild. We need more companies doing something very different. For the public to see these tear drop shaped three wheel vehicles in their communities will hopefully help open their minds to new designs. If their 1000 miles of range is nailed and proven by owners and various members of the media, it will hopefully inspire more iCE buyers to go EV.
I think Arcimoto would benefit from lean design exercise. Seems like a lot of parts and bits could be designed out and still have a wonderfully functional and exciting vehicle.
Sadly, they had Munro give them feedback and in the end, they went another direction. The reason given at the time is Munro was giving advice for about 50,000 units a year production and they did not want to invest into the tooling for that at that time. As an investor, not inspiring to hear.
I did not know about this until after they broke their production mold and went through leadership changes. It will be interesting to see if they can regain their footing. They are not done yet, but they feel like they are struggling to go beyond a tiny niche company.
I still have their stock, not sure why, other than it has dropped so much, selling it means little at this point.
I never thought they would be a big player, but I thought the hobby and local delivery space could be an area they could do very well in. @@Rich1Rodriguez
@kevthebald
My experience with Arcimoto shows me why Aptera will succeed, and avoid ALL the mistakes our friends in Eugene have made. The co-CEO's, the team, the plan, and the engineering are on a higher level.
Great follow-up! Thanks. One downside of being so open with the public is that it can reveal the bad and ugly along with the good. And, unfortunately, the bad and ugly are often plugged into a much bigger amp than the good. But when there is enough good, as is the case with the Aptera (the vehicle, the team, and the supporters), it will prevail.
Nice interview. I've been following Aptera from afar and really hope they can make it!
Love everything about this company and cant wait to buy one.
Start to finish, I would volunteer to assemble my very own Aptera. Give me the work instructions, tools, and space to do it all!
Aptera is the future!!! Great video!!! ❤❤❤
This is a beautiful vehicle. So well designed and thought out. Looks like it came from the future!. Would be perfect for the sort of driving I'm doing now. Basically I just want one! Great video Guys.
I love Aptera's vision!
Aptera is the real thing. Aptera will prevail....
This is the only place I'm seeing really great Aptera content, thank you.
My favorite EV vehicle channel and my favorite prospective vehicle!
I did a preorder a few years ago. The problem is I am getting to the point of needing a new vehicle the delay after delay is eroding both my confidence and my time line for this car. If I don’t see production underway by the end of 2024 I will be forced to go elsewhere. Necessity trumps intentions.
Thank you. Nice Interview.
After putting money down an a Corbin, ELIO and Nimbus, I appreciate Aptera's openness. It goes a long way to buidling trust.
One thing I wish they would have kept from the original Aptera is the side door handles. They ones from the original looked pretty damn aerodynamic, and I understand that they are likely (slightly) less aerodynamic than having none whatsoever, but the idea that you can only open the door through some kind of electronic relay just seems like a major point of failure for a pretty critical function.
I feel the same way about a lot of E brakes in modern cars that are actuated with a button. Yes it's more luxurious, but not having a manual foot pedal or some other kind of manual override just seems like a bad idea
I'm trying not to be negative, but I agree. I don't even like the Tesla self presenting door handles, unnecessary. To me, there's nothing less luxurious than being locked out of your car!
@@rp9674 absolutely! Aptera has done a great job overall with repairability, but having manual overrides for essential things like doors and e brakes would make the vehicle even more resilient to electrical problems and damage
Even barring component failure, it sounds like it'd be a major pain in winter when your doors get iced over.
Everyone wants something that is better and great. However, you have to be careful from letting striving for perfection getting in the way of good enough.
I would wish they would get these into limited production to highly qualified beta tester / owners. Let the car advertise itself
reserved my Aptera a little after you did Nikki, and choose the 600 mile option by your good thinking for trips. But I have followed Aptera from the start of it's Hybrid beginning. I will wait for the version I ordered but I'm 77 and can't wait too long. Iam a fan of TEN.
Best wishes to Aptera and I hope Nikki will be enjoying hers sooner rather than later!
Failure to initialize a prototype would not affect my purchasing decisions about the final product. I would really love to trade in my prius prime for this bad boy! 😍
My word, this channel does the sort of journalism we all wish was in all realms. Great interview.
I sure want one. I will wait until they are in production before ordering. Good luck guys.
Wait a year after start of production, 1 recall is guarantee for bankruptcy
Aside Aptera beeing an amazing product, the fact the company is so humane and community driven is more than enough reason to support them!❤
Excellent, as usual. Thanks so much.
My God the world needs a solar EV badly. I sense and share the frustration in getting this vehicle in the people hands. Our hands. But stop and think. If the big boys, you know, Toyota and GM and Ford have great difficulty getting EVs to market why wouldn't a startup like Aptera? And the big auto manufacturers have a 100 year head start. If you're reading this Aptera, do get on with this. If you're successful it could actually change the destiny of our planet.
Thank you NIKKI and Chris! Nikki, We have reservations in because we have a great feel for this company, product and future for solar mobility. I have seen so many companies, in general, fail through this COVID episode and here is a start up at this great milestone. KUDOS! "+" to Aptera! 🗣🎙 ON Nikki! Our AZ sun is ready to be utilized as Aptera's Premium fuel (means of charge 😉) !
The interview had me appreciate the creative process from concept to production. Aptera"s openess to have people trial their product only improves my outlook of the company. Not everything went well on the last video test drive as planned, but that is life.
Start to finish, I'm ready to build my very own Aptera! Give me the tools, work instructions and space to build it all! I'm a child of the light, watch my Sol shine!
I hope they make it. I would buy one to go to work and move around 😃
Excellent interview, I too very much appreciate how open their development has been.
Hay! New credits worked out! Nice!!
Cool. Thanks you for sharing.
Very balanced report, very balanced.
I'm so excited about the renewed and new promises for the future - no doubt about it.
Looking back at the promises and expectations over the last 10+ years - I'm so glad I've stayed on board because the new expectations and promises are so much better.
Can't wait for the next video ... what comes after Gamma?
Bankruptcy
If is really a tweaking the car, we can see a best solar car soon. I can't have this car but to see it rolling, I am happy as as Aptera fan.
I am one of the preowners and stock investors .But tiday as I saw aptera drive around a residential area ,I saw the front view of it while it was avoiding parked cars and giving way to the yo coming cars .I can tell you now I see a design flaw .the two frint wheel are the real out side edge of the car but the driver inside only see the final frint body edges of it.Its not the other drivers that will run inti aptera ,its more of a fact that aptera driver will keep bumping the two front wheels into other objects.
I also saw as it straddled over manhole covers the rear wheel had to hit it, so wondered how you avoided pot holes?
While I am not invested in Aptera not do I have a reservation, I am really pulling for the company to succeed. Kudos CEO Chris Anthony for his candor and transparency. Great to see progress is being made toward their goal. When a model that seats four or more passengers become available, I will definitely consider an Aptera.
I love aptera but I want to comment on the colors of the video. It looks awesome with a hint of Wes Anderson type of intensity. Really beautiful.
There's a DP at our company, smiling right now.
thats just has Cali looks, dont film in ohio its all grey lol
Wow! Chris stated they’ve raised $100 million. When this company goes public I can easily envision a $1 billion valuation.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Think of fully new cars from the big guys. You could see a concept car in early 2020, get lots of headlines on it. Then maybe a couple years later there's a few hints released; maybe at what's changed, or blue-sky release dates. Then sometime, 2, 3, maybe four years later there's a car! But it doesn't share too much from the concept other than the name. Aptera is staying open thru the whole process, really not changing too much, and doing it on a TINY fraction of the budget from the big guys.
i really hope the aptera will be produced in europe as well!
I’m hopeful for Aptera. I’m personally not sold on the 3 wheel design, but if they can make a small efficient 4 wheel, I’m sold.
Come on come on! You guys can do it!!
Thank you
As an investor and an engineer and hopefully someday soon an owner/daily driver too, I appreciate that Aptera has been open and sharing--hopefully this will prove to be a super power. Keep pushing to production. Thanks Chris and team, and thanks Transport Evolved for the videos.
It seems they are striving for perfection when it just needs to be ‘good enough’.
Not so much "perfection" as the best possible within reason. Changing to CPC makes a vehicle which should be tight, and very safe, that delayed everything, but with over44,000 reservations on the books, they could not make enough of the old honeycomb composite that they originally were going to use. This upgrade makes a great deal of sense and makes the assemble process back in Carlsbad much smoother and sensible. The design work in how the assemble of the vehicle with just 13 stations, and only 6 minutes per station, means a new Aptera can be built in an hour and 18 minutes. Sandy Monro has done better with Aptera listening, better than Acrimoto, making production hell much less likely.
@@chrisbarrett2512
I would love to see millions of Apteras on North American streets. But when will we see production really begin? And what’s the projected price?
I remember seeing Jay Leno drive one when Tesla first introduced the roadster. Im not sure but I think it’s been at least eight years.
@@Carnutzjoe🤓When? Early next year if they can get the money. Late next year if they can’t.
How much? About what they predicted 4 years ago. While most things have gone up in price, their biggest cost, the batteries, have dropped through the floor.
Jay drove their old gas powered car something like 15 years ago. That company died in 2011. He drove their 1st solar prototype about 2 to 3 years ago.
The development of Aptera over the years has been superb and is so exciting. Yay they made it to the final push to production!
He has a large advantage over even Tesla - he is not Elon.
🧂
6:21 no no no. There is no perfect anything. Release the damn car to early adopters now. They are fine dealing with quirks and problems. Then keep improving each year.
With the latest update they put out, them only having 60% of tooling ready, they don't even have an ETA on a production intent vehicle, no validation units. It is not likely they'll even be ready by 2026.
You always make great content!
I live in Belgium and I pre-ordered in 2020. Unfortunately my car broke down and it wasn't worth the while to repair it, so now I'm without car, using public transport, bike and a carsharing system. It's doable, but I hope to get my Aptera in the new year, a bit more than 3 years after the pre-order... that would be great! Or at least let me know when I can expect something to happen in Europe on the Aptera front. I'm quite confident, but impatient.
In Europe the Aptera will be a car by the law, so forget it, too expensive, too difficult, and if it happens it wont be in the next 10 years
@@shrimptopian3392 Was this answer helpful? No!
We gotta get Aptera to add V2G. I've got powerwalls, solar, the export agreements...and a Leaf with 76-mile range. I refuse to get a new vehicle until it's solar powered and can feed back all the excess generation to the grid (self driving can be licensed from Tesla, which at this point I'm expecting from Aptera).
We only drive a couple thousand miles a year, and our net energy the last few has been only 5,000kWh. Taking the 600kWh we charge our Leaf a year, off the net, then adding a thousand or two from the car's solar would be a game changer.
Yayyyyy Aptera 🤘🏽🔥❤️
YES Aptera! It seems like you need to be an investment company that sells cars to start up now. After efficiency and solar, I think they're strong point is FUN!
I agree with a commenter that said they should have a giant logo on the vehicle
Really hope they succeed. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽Huge steel cars need to go bye bye and we all need to be driving carbon fiber, lightweight apteras. I hope in the future they make a 4 seater! If they can succeed financially, I envision them revolutionizing transportation. Good luck, Aptera!
Lightweight is good, but composites are an environmental disaster. In most places they are simply landfilled because they are too hard and expensive to recycle. Metals are the best materials to use if you want recyclability, composites are the worst.
Interesting car. I don't think it would fit my more practical needs but I wish them well as this will be a good fit for many.
Cheers
Another example of just how hard it is for a manufacturer to get from a prototype to a production model and actually getting them available for sale. I just gives me more appreciation at how wondrous Tesla has been getting from concept to the largest car company in the world
I want my Aptera, we put in 2 reservations about 2 years back. The problem I see is what will the price be, I can get Tesla 3 or Y for approx 35-44K starting Jan 2024. If the aptera is above that it’s stupid to get one. They may be to late to the market. Sure a few zealots will get one no matter the price but the market for a 3 wheel car is very limited.
This is playing out like Elio motors or...the first go around of Aptera. There's a market for people who just want a cheap, highly efficient, 2-seater. Prioritize features; if something is causing delays, strip it from the design. If you can get to market faster without the solar panels, then do it. They've already lost branding due to their first bankruptcy; this is probably their last chance.
I was unaware that this vehicle would run on PISS............................. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha how else would you "drive the piss out of it" ha ha ha ha ha Just kidding that was funny. BTW CHRIS and weight loss,,,,,,,,,,,,,looking good brother !!! Always excited to hear new news on MY CAR !!
Will be an awesome little commuter. But would be a fun car to take to a trailhead for a day hike, too.
I loved the video, u do have a reservation for one of the first production products. My question is when is Aptera going tbegibg production? I'm getting older by the day not sure how long I've got here.
Not to worry, leave your money for it in your will. It would make a great coffin and you could ride it to the after life.
Looking forward to seeing this on the road. Why Carlsbad? It is so insanely expensive to do business there.
Right now there is a slowing in demand for Legacy Auto makers EV's. Long term they had to switch to NACS but then they announce they will not have NACS socket vehicles in the market until 2025 so consumers rather than buying a soon obsolete CCS socket vehicle are waiting for the NACS versions. So short term it is hurting the Legacy Makers like ford and GM. But this delay can also be a big bonus to Aptera if production starts in 2024 as the only non-Tesla in production with a NACS Socket!!
The money spinner is the media output which brings in the investors, thats why they spend so much time on media, they will try go to stock market to continue the funding, if they hang in there long enough they might make a few, but the chance of any long term widespread useage is almost zero. Seems they are going to ride this cash cow as long as they can.
I suspect there will be alot of upset people who have believed their promises of production for the last 20 years or so
My only critisicm is if this vehicle gets rear ended, things could get dicey for the occupants. Hope it comes to fruition.
Looking forward to buying one…..(in green)…..maybe with sodium ion batteries
.......and I still say the car should be scaled down quite a bit to reduce wheelbase
To have a secure supply chain, they’re probably going to have to build just about everything themselves. The idea is amazing, and pricing targets can be achieved if they do everything in China. I’d hate this to go the way of the Sion
That's the kicker, Aptera would be an absolute sensation in the Chinese domestic market.
They are only nanufacturing the solar panels, and that process is automated and assembling thr battery pack. Everything else pretty my comes from
@@toyotaprius79 Nope, the vehicle is too wide for narrow streets, it is 2235mm wide with those wheel pods, 400mm wider than a Model S. Think about that.
I hope the Aptera gets put in production and was thinking could these be modified to put a wider rear tyre cause theyve been modifying cars for decades , why not the Aptera ?
This is going to be a study in how to not start a car company but to get rich in the process.
Or " how I got rich spending others money but producing nothing"......little has changed since 2007 when Steve Fambro said production would begin in 2008
I want one of these but need right-hand drive in Bangkok.
They are squeezing every penny out of their investors that they can, paying themselves for failure… this is such a niche product. And when the Model 2 comes out, this will be irrelevant.
This car slipstreams to the least wind resistance from any angle of velocity such as if a truck drives past that would usually cause a box shaped vehicle to shift it's stability trying to compensate.
They should also make a amphibious version even if dolphins try to have sex with it.
A CEO actually owning up to his mistake took ballz, Respect!
I am an investor. I hope there is some consideration of fire mitigation in the Aptera. It's construction seems to be problematic in this regard. Just something that occurred to me last night.
On a lighter note I hope there is a web page for tire shops to reference for the inevitable tire changes so as to avoid damage to our cars.
X,bus still has a chance.
I like the engineering but they need to move on to a plan to produce it. I don't think that will ever happen. I'll come back in two years.
Ian appears on the list twice? Are there 2 Ians?
Still social distancing. Geez...
And we've not picked up COVID since the last time we didn't wear masks... Funny that...
@@transportevolved
The social distancing is fine
You should distance your channel for another reason, they are taking money from people who don't understand the risks
Crowdfunding a new car company is the worst idea ever, just like with Sono Motors
But you keep promoting them both
So it's no way near to production ready, you can hardly rely on your end user doing the correct startup sequence
This is still a prototype very different from the production vehicles which won't have a "startup sequence" Traditional manufactures won't show vehicles at this stage without signing an NDA. - source? I have visited both the Ford and GM desert proving grounds as a vendor.
Start production already. '24 '25 could be a recession for all we know.
Yea , what’s the aptera gonna cost ? $100000 ? After experiencing my 2018 leaf the past few years , I am done . .. People parking in our charging spaces , range issues , haters just a few things . Here I am stuck with this short range -high speed golf cart . Yea its good till its not …
One year later: Still not in production.
winter is hardest on a ev. they race solars in the desert be aware of downside risk.
I live in rural Iowa and plan to drive mine year round.
Please! Sort EU homologation!
A sad reality. Investors are not going to put money into a product for which they see a limited demand.
If Aptera were making Ford Maveric hybrids they would be running 3 shifts, 7 days a week and investors would be lined up outside the door.
I really don't understand the enthusiasm for Aptera. Tricycle cars have been tried a number of times and either the companies that produce them either go out of business, just keep it as a quirky model in their 4 wheeled line up, or drop it and concentrate on their proven two wheel models. An electric biplane is probably not a good idea either.The fact that the goal of production is always a bit in the future makes one think of nuclear fusion or finding the cure for cancer.
Most of the other trikes have been open cockpit and ICE powered and have very little cargo space. For people that a two seater will work for the Aptera has some utility. It has 7 feet of room behind the seats and 32.5 cubic feet of storage.
Aptera is always a year away from production
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