7:57 - Have you spoken about the meta levels of that original Blood Artist art? For those who don't know: • The artist credit is Johannes Voss. • The art that the blood artist is painting is Curse of Oblivion, also credited to Johannes Voss and his wife Jana Schirmer. • The idea being that the blood artist is the husband Johannes Voss and the wife is the one in the background hanging upside-down, Jana Schirmer, providing the blood for the art for Curse of Oblivion. Hence why she is given credit for the art.
11:03 - This is the first card that angers me to the degree of Hare Apparent. The Malestrom was an event on Alara. Having it be some small scale spell in a graveyard on Innistrad with the same name is disgusting to me both in terms of lore and the power level shown within the art.
It also has zero justifiable reason to be reprinted considering its cheap, not played in basically anything at this point, and was just reprinted in Foundations. Literally any filler rare from a past Innistrad would've been preferrable tbh. Bring back Archangel's Light, whatever.
@@brandonbernard1570 This kind of thing is the reason I'd like to see a price comparison between the not Innistrad cards and the more appropriate cards that WotC chose to skip.
@RedBobcatGames if you're ever going to do a video on Nahiri, it's a minor thing but I request raising the point that you cannot sacrifice Nahiri (at least, not a version of her which would have canonically existed prior to the events of MotM) to pay the cost of Nahiri's Sacrifice! One of the biggest flavour fails in recent sets imo and it bugs the hell out of me.
@RedBobcatGames yeah that's what I mean, the only Nahiri that can be sacrificed to Nahiri's Sacrifice is the Nahiri that only exists *because* of Nahiri's Sacrifice!
You want to know what? This wasn't work at all for me. I love this set and I basically did very little additional research, it was all from memory. I'm a real Innistrad nerd and so just looked at the cards and knew which ones had new art and which ones hadn't been printed in core Innistrad sets before. It's why I said at the end I "eye-balled the list" just in case I'd missed any and not noticed!
If downshifted to uncommon I'd reason it would help the popular innistrad tribal draft archetypes of humans, werewolves, vampires, and spirits. The set is pretty fun to draft though
Next episode: Nahiri Vs. Urza, case study. Hello again Mr. Cat. I think Nahiri had a great set and villain arc back then: She brought to Innistrad the same evil she swear to keep under control. She was responsable for so much chaos and destruction and the loss of Avacyn, Gisela and Bruna, wich i will be classifying as war crimes against the magic lore. And last but not least, Sorin imprisoned in Stone. Until that point in history, ten out of ten. But then, wizards forgot what they were doing right and choose to do their own end game. The issue with her is that nobody cared enought to finish her arc. She deserved her own last "world ending" set. She had enough power and agenda to pull that feat. Even against some powerfull walker like Ugin, wich would have been an excelent ending in my opinion.
Yeah, and to see this odd "will they won't they" hint at a potential redemption arch for her they keep maybe teasing with her in Zendikarr since, I'm not a fan
@RedBobcatGames I'm sorry, what?! A redemption arc? For Nahiri?!? I'm willing to go to bat for Nahiri to a certain extent, but after seeing what she did in Shadows over Innistrad and Eldritch Moon, even I wouldn't argue that she should or even could be redeemed. Edit: Also, I think she tried to "unalive" Zendikar in Zendikar Rising, but I'm a little fuzzier on that point. But yeah, after being an active threat to Innistrad and possibly her own home plane as well, I really don't think she can be redeemed.
Love all of this Innistrad content! Awesome having a content creator that's such a big fan of the plane. I'm in favor of a video of the cards that were left out, but also what you felt about the cards that made it in. Does remastered feel close enough to your ideal Innistrad cube? If not, what would that look like?
I've been working on a video today actually that (while not done yet) may answer some of those questions. I'll need to play it a BUNCH more before I'd feel confident talking about it from a draft/cube perspective, but aside from that I'm hoping the video giving more of a casual chat about my feelings on the set should be up next week
4:45 Naw i'm with you on that one. I expected Nahiri to die on Eldritch Moon for that alone, then she literally tried to do the exact same thing to Zendikar (still surprised how she wasn't put on the chopping block for that), and then she survived Phyresis, somehow undid the corruption on her own, and still is alive after all that. I'm not even sure some other villains even came close to that level of evil that she did besides maybe Bolas, let alone her being able to survive for as long as she have. Hell, I was expecting Sorin to finally finish her off during the March but here we are.
If i remember correctly(just checked the wiki), she did not undo the phyresis of her own, it was a wave of halo that hit her when the skyclave was dropped with her in there aka a Deus ex Machina to keep her character alive and around. She did remove the rest of the phyrexian components off on her own once she realized she had been cured of phyresis, theorizing that the blast of halo and the loss of her spark contributed to her un-compleation. She should've just died there, feels like a bit of a cop out for me. Guess Wotc's gotta sell those spark-deprived legendary creatures eh?
4:30 As a fellow Zendikari planeswalker, I can explain (though not justify) Nahiri's actions on Innistrad. Sorin was one of the three planeswalkers who helped lure the Eldrazi titans to Zendikar and trap them there in the first place, a plan to which Nahiri agreed only on the condition that the other two planeswalkers assist in recapturing the Eldrazi if they ever started to break free. When Nahiri noticed that the Eldrazi's prison was weakening, she called on Ugin and Sorin for help. Ugin was unable to help, on account of being dead at the time, but Sorin simply didn't get the distress call, suspecting that the defenses he was building around Innistrad interfered with the signal. When Nahiri confronted him about this, the two of them got into a fight that resulted in Sorin sealing Nahiri in the Helvault, leaving the Eldrazi titans largely unchecked when they broke free some time later. With Sorin being unwilling to defend Zendikar despite his promise to do so, and with his actions preventing Nahiri from defending Zendikar herself, Nahiri thought it was only fair to unleash on Innistrad one of the Eldrazi titans that Sorin had let roam free on Zendikar. Granted, Nahiri is a monster for unleashing the Eldrazi on the innocent people of Innistrad, but Sorin absolutely had it coming, even if his people didn't.
Yeah, see that's a take I've never understood. Sorin had it coming for not getting the message? And then defending himself when attacked? I wouldn't have gone to help Zendikarr after that either personally. Like what's Sorin going to do that the 3 of them together couldn't? Build his defences and try to at least save Innistrad, that's what. Sorin may have been a dick about it, but I don't think he did anything wrong
@RedBobcatGames I think it was wrong of Sorin to lock Zendikar's strongest defender up in a magical prison he and Avacyn then filled with demons, but since he was basically acting in self-defense at that point, I can't really blame him. Nahiri's initial grievance with Sorin was justified, but the two of them should never have come to blows about it, and then Nahiri's (justified, imo) desire to avenge Zendikar caught too many innocent people who had nothing to do with any of this. Sorin endangered innocent lives on Zendikar, but that's no excuse for Nahiri to endanger innocent lives on Innistrad, no matter how poetic that "justice" sounded to Nahiri.
Soren didn't do a good job apologising, or really at all but Nahiri literally attacked him over it. She started the fight. If she'd have been civil, she wouldn't have been trapped in the Helvault. You can't ask someone for help and try to kill them, and then blame them for incapacitating you. The only thing Soren is actually at fault for is not even attempting to let Namori out once she'd cooled down. However, given what happened to Avacyn, seems like it is impossible to get things out of the Helvault without breaking it. And it wasn't easy to make. At worst, Soren prioritised the defence of his own plane over releasing Nahiri; after he already knew Ugin was indisposed. Also, Nahiri checked only Bala Ged and saw it was fucked by the Eldrazi, and didn't check anywhere else. If she had, she would have seen that the plane as a whole WAS saved, though without Soren's involvement. So she decided to punish Soren's innocent people by releasing an Eldrazi on them, and making him watch. It is completely out of order. Soren never intended for Zendikar to get fucked intentionally; she did intentionally try and cause a plane wide genocide.
@veggiedragon1000 I had forgotten which planeswalker had started that fight, and you're right, physically attacking Sorin over him missing a phone call and being a jerk definitely wasn't justified, and it certainly didn't help anything. I also agree that she should have checked more places besides just Bala Ged, especially before risking the destruction of an entire plane. Even if eye-for-an-eye retribution was justifiable (which is, itself, debatable), her response was potentially completely disproportionate.
Now see, here's where it gets murky. Because "Sorin never intended for Zendikar to get fucked intentionally". Hmmmm, I don't know about that. I think Sorin's looking at the big picture and thinking "Well okay, SOMEONE has to get fucked here regardless. Might as well be Zendikarr and hopefully by then we'll have thought of something". I think Sorin knew exactly what would happen to Zendikarr BUT I also think he's a "the needs of the many" type... and I have to agree with him. It's not right, and yes he's a dick, but I maintain he did nothing wrong
Wait. Hold on. I finally just noticed the picture better.... Where is Nissa's Glyph on the Moon that imprisons Emrakul? They really want to pretend they didn't do Eldritch Moon now. Apocolyptic levels of Eldrazi just disapear, retcons to story to uneldrazi, life went on as normal DESPITE how much death occured let alone conversion. Wizards just doesn't know how to tell a story anymore. Invasion of Innistrad said the undead were immune to the oil but in Tolvalda, unanimated corpses long buried were not and rose up phyrexianized. How?
If only I knew. I suppose you could argue the glyph faded. And maybe the rules for how zombies work differs from plane to plane... but yeah that's an awful lot of world building and hole filling for the audience to have to do. I agree
I imagine this conversation happening in the WotC writting room, and the reply being "Yeah, sure. Who cares! We have 5 new sets to spoiler next month alone! Just get it done!"
This was a good video! Yes, I would love to see a video talking about Nahiri's crimes and why Zurzoth should be from Innistrad! Both sound like interesting ideas! I also want to say that I think the Nahiri-Sorin conflict (for all its flaws) is perhaps the greatest modern conflict WOTC has ever made because it never fails to incite strong emotions from the Vorthos community years after its inception. Three whole arcs later (the Bolas Arc, the New Phyrexian Arc, and the Omenpath Arc) have yet to create something as viscerally complex that still makes people ask: who was in the right? (which I think is a poor question. The damage done is too great to quantify and it might be more interesting to ask: how does their story move forward from here?)
Oh I totally agree, and I'm exactly the type of person you described. But for me however, the answer to that question is simple. It was Sorin. Sorin was right. He wasn't good necessarily, and was a real dick about it but he was right. I know people say "He locked her up" but that's what we do with people trying to murder us. She came looking for a fight, lost and then decided to take it out on Innocent people. God I need to do a video on this to get it out of my system haha
@RedBobcatGames That's a really fair point. She had a right to be angry at him, in my opinion, but violence, especially against innocent bystanders, definitely wasn't the right answer.
I don't know if I'd agree with that. He never wanted the Eldrazi intentionally free to kill people. He might be a dick, but his creation of Avacyn proves he's against that sort of mass cruelty
Sorin feels like the quintessential Orzhov character. He'll do the right thing and his actions serve the greater good, but his motives are selfish. Meanwhile, in Eldritch Moon, we're TOLD Nahiri is Boros, but if anything, her actions portray her as a purely RAKDOS character. She's literally attempting genocide over what is the equivalent of a friend having a bad cell phone signal.
6:45 - I was following and agreeing with you... until you made that good point about what happened to the spirits and maybe this is what has happeneed to the Deadeye Navigator as well.
@RedBobcatGames - Yes. I have found that you and I share a lot of overly obsessive lore ideas. Did you ever used to think about how common/uncommon/rate a spell was alsp showwed how common it was or wasn't to encounter in the lore of magic? And how the effect impacted an average person vs more and more powerful mages? Like, Sign in Blood is a common that deal two deamage, and it seems like many people whould fall victim to the craving of forbidden knowledge, and the average person would die from the 2 damage, but a more powerful dark mage could survive it and so forth? And how that scale up for things like Promise of Power and how that would rip apart even more powerful beings, but still just be possible for a Planeswalker to handle? These are just examples.
If you define a word by using the word, it is incorrect. But using remasteted set as the rules is "okay". I have my problem on in the Core Set Vampire. It was out around the time of innistrad, so the emotional driven WOTC threw it in.
I'm okay with this deinition. I think as long as the cards feel like they could fit or have a connection then it's okay. Maybe too much would be a bad thing? But they don't over do it here, so I'm fine with it
Best thing you can do to make a Case for Zurzoth is to refer to the precedential Case of Bruvac, the Grandiloquent. A Jumpstart-Printing without any connection to the Plane of Ravnica, except its Lore and Art and yet it got promptly reprinted in the Ravnica Remastered Set (even getting a special Frame and an alternate Artwork). But while some may say that this Printing was mostly motivated by secondary Market Pricing and the goal of pushing Set-Sales, we of course know that Wizards dont consider the secondary Market and Zurzoth defenitely wasn't just overlooked as a valid Option to reprint because he's simply too cheap of a Card. To assume anything else would be ridiculous.
I did find some of this set not too long ago. Ended up getting a vintage style version of Edgar Markov. So I at least have a new commander deck to brew.
Some of the added cards are here for the draft environment, which surprisingly work despite having 6+ sets forced in. And be free to do your special is it innistrad video!
I dont know what card it is but go off king, i love fast paced rants of alowly jncreasing intensity! Just was missing an edit of a tea kettle whistle and some shaky cam
Why weren't any of the in-universe Stranger Things or Walking Dead cards given a reprint here? Greymond, Avacyn's Stalwart NEEDS a reprint and this was a perfect chance.
9:49 I'd definitely like to see a video comparing the prices of the Innistrad cards they skipped in comparison to the prices of the not Innistrad cards they included. Especially the remakes of the Walking Dead and Stranger Things secret lair cards. I don't expect WotC to bring back "the list" and I can't think of a better set to reprint them in.
@RedBobcatGames Honestly, I'd love that. I've been a fan of Zendikar since I started playing MTG during the Zendikar block, and I stopped playing because WotC had her and Sorrin somehow make peace offscreen during War of the Spark, which neither she nor Sorin would ever do. I didn't pay much attention during Zendikar Rising or the Phyrexian Invasion, but I think she tried and failed to petrify Zendikar and then lost her spark. If you're willing to tell her story, I'd love to hear it from your perspective.
7:11 - I get you, but I felt it was fitting Lilliana's "I don't have time for this $hit" phase and long before her gatewatch story unfolded. I feel that, to Lilliana, Angles feel like Morrowind Cliff Racers at some point.
My biggest complaint about this set: They didn't use that boosterbox artwork of Lilliana on any of the cards, and they reused the old artwork on her planeswalker card.
5:44 - I like both of the first two Gather the Townsfolk art, but not this new third art. I am also biased, as I still have an old "modern" White/black tokens deck from years ago that I still use for kitchen table and casual game nights.
I'm actually working on a follow up video to this one today, and I discuss how even the art that's been reused here may have been digitally altered. I have some comparisons on screen between the original print of Rally the Peasants and the new one, so you'll have to tell me what you think when you see it too
> Maelstrom Pulse > Named after and depicts a pulse of the Maelstrom in Alara that wiped out various creatures > ??? someone killed some creatures in a big blast on Innistrad, so that fits I guess? (I don't know the new lore, maybe this is actually legit and there is a Maelstrom on Innistrad too)
I know among a lot of people I've talked to that I'm the only die hard Nahiri fan. I love her mono-white hero to boros villain. I can't wait for her to sort of complete her arc of "I hate planeswalkers" and she becomes mardu. I do hope she dies though. I'm not dumb and I know what she did was wrong. I want a good villain death WOTC!
Hard agree on nahiri being urza level dirtbag, but, with the fact that just about every “big” villain is either incapable of doing stuff or dead now, letting her be the unforgivable monster and just ramping it up gives us at least one villain to keep around. But that also requires wotc to care about story…
That's the thing. She seems to keep getting brought up like a fan favourite, as if they're going to give her a redemption arch. I think they've forgotten her track record
i wanna say as one of the people who was hoping this would be like time spiral remastered and genuinely be a mix of the first 3 blocks of innistrad (with some "beyond the grave" additions perhaps) - I do understand why it went in the ravnica direction of jus printing all the biggest lottery ticket things... BUT even with that in mind i am curious to always hear analysis of the Set/Cube effect cards will have. Like I do not think edgar markov is going to be playable in draft/limited at all - tho i suppose i can be proven wrong(some nice reanimation combo?). so certainly cards are printed here just for lottery ticket commander shit - but i think overall they have been pretty solid at building a focused environment to allow drafting to feel cohesive, fun, and perhaps even fresh. so like aside the fact it wouldn't sell as well (my original 3 block innistrad wish) i wonder if it would still be as fun to play. maybe i can make my own block cube one day. and i feel like the omissions were removed for that balance necessary? they all seem like crazy combo pieces.
Yeah I agree that some includes feel like they're aimed at Commander. But also, because of the price or a cards history I can see people being excited to open one during a draft even if they aren't playable. I dunno, I think they've struck quite a fair balance with this and Ravnica Remastered. Though I wish they'd included all the iconic cards, like Cavern of Souls for instance
@RedBobcatGames yeah i just yearn for some quirky way to enjoy a draft experience of sets long gone... like zendikar, alara, or other ones i missed out on. even if that means taking some of the hits in any bad design decisions or clunky magic vibes in that era. but i feel this way about almost every old magic set.
I am so glad I decided not to buy this set, because stuffing in cards that were originally printed in other blocks, but not in the original print run of the Innistrad Block, while also refusing to put things originally printed in Innistrad is a hardcore no-go for me.
I feel you. There's like 20 cards I'm surprised aren't included, and a handful I can't believe aren't included. And putting things like Snap Caster Mage, Liliana of the Veil and Craterhoof in the collector boosters exclusively? Not good
Most stores in my country aren't buying the set, one even sent an e-mail saying they didn't intend to buy of it so don't even ask. It's just not worth it for a reprint set that costs more than a masters set, I usually just stay stick to singles but if no one opens packs how do you get singles?
@RedBobcatGames I saw Gitrog Monster is like 1/4 of the price of a pack and that's a pretty popular mythic, it's not even a gamble anymore you just lose money and if you are a store it's not worth opening packs.
Yeah, I agree that they should have included standalone Gisa after quoting her in a flavor text. Bad call from WotC not to do that. And please, nobody say that Gisa is nothing special with no right to be included above any other card!
No spoilers for the end of the video... but... I was hoping it was going to be one of the characters from lore that only got an alchemy card [which was mentioned at the end of the video] and was... disappointed? that this wasn't what got you hot and bothered. Your actual card has me feeling "meh. He has a point, but this is what we are worked up about?"
Well, the issue there is yes this time. Because I'm annoyed they didn't include a pre-existing card that should have been there. I am ALSO 100% annoyed that characters like Captain Eberhart (and don't even get me started on Davriel) haven't been represented. But first they'd need a card, so my annoyance there is mostly about how they're alchemy exclusive. Though you're right, they've printed alchemy cards before in paper so could have done it again here
I was very surprised we got the Lady-boner version of Olivia Voldaren and not new or the corrected art... :^) Also kinda weird that Umbris nor Greymond wasn't reprinted. Zask seems like an Innistrad card too. I'm okay with ambiguous cards though.
@RedBobcatGames very true, I even looked it up before commenting to see if I had any evidence, which I don't. But still, he just feels like a lieutenant to Kardur or Varragoth to me. If you know 40k stuff, he reminds me of Haarken Worldclaimer, Herald of Abaddon the Despoiler. But that's all totally just my headcanon anyway.
That is the exact reason WHY we did not want the rules committee in WotCs hands. But hey little babies got too butthurt over their lotuses being banned.
Something's bothering me a lot about the new "mass hysteria" art. Why are the werewolves depicted with only 4 fingers? It's weird and make no sense, they're dudes that transform into beasts, they should have the same amount of fingers before and after!
@RedBobcatGames I mean, I thought about it, too, but without properly looking into the artist it would be tantamount to slander. Besides, it could just be a human error, not an AI one. Plus I found a bigger gripe related to art and the set: the Avacyn depicted on the collector boosters is a gorgeous piece (as far as I'm concerned), and it's a crime that the illustration didn't get to be printed on an actual card.
Yeah, I completely agree. I often want to take popshots at certain things I see in card design that I dislike but I try to draw a line between a criticism I can make against the company without accidentally making it against an employee. WotC do seem pretty keen on using AI in their designs, but it's impossible to say where sadly
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7:57 - Have you spoken about the meta levels of that original Blood Artist art?
For those who don't know:
• The artist credit is Johannes Voss.
• The art that the blood artist is painting is Curse of Oblivion, also credited to Johannes Voss and his wife Jana Schirmer.
• The idea being that the blood artist is the husband Johannes Voss and the wife is the one in the background hanging upside-down, Jana Schirmer, providing the blood for the art for Curse of Oblivion. Hence why she is given credit for the art.
I didn't know that. That's so cool! God I love Innistrad!
And it seems the Blood Artist is looking at himself in a mirror to paint. The art of Curse of Oblivion is mirrorred.
11:03 - This is the first card that angers me to the degree of Hare Apparent. The Malestrom was an event on Alara. Having it be some small scale spell in a graveyard on Innistrad with the same name is disgusting to me both in terms of lore and the power level shown within the art.
You're making a lot of very good points on this video. You've changed my mind on a bunch of stuff!
It also has zero justifiable reason to be reprinted considering its cheap, not played in basically anything at this point, and was just reprinted in Foundations. Literally any filler rare from a past Innistrad would've been preferrable tbh. Bring back Archangel's Light, whatever.
@@brandonbernard1570 This kind of thing is the reason I'd like to see a price comparison between the not Innistrad cards and the more appropriate cards that WotC chose to skip.
Yes do a video on the missing cards and Nahari on how she’s a complete monster and yes Big Z deserves a reprint like wow
I'll add it to my list
@RedBobcatGames if you're ever going to do a video on Nahiri, it's a minor thing but I request raising the point that you cannot sacrifice Nahiri (at least, not a version of her which would have canonically existed prior to the events of MotM) to pay the cost of Nahiri's Sacrifice! One of the biggest flavour fails in recent sets imo and it bugs the hell out of me.
Well... except for her Aftermath printing. But somehow I feel like that's not the answer you wanted, and quite frankly has now annoyed me too
@RedBobcatGames yeah that's what I mean, the only Nahiri that can be sacrificed to Nahiri's Sacrifice is the Nahiri that only exists *because* of Nahiri's Sacrifice!
Wow you did a lot of work gathering all these different art works from each set. It's nice seeing them all organized into one video.
You want to know what? This wasn't work at all for me. I love this set and I basically did very little additional research, it was all from memory. I'm a real Innistrad nerd and so just looked at the cards and knew which ones had new art and which ones hadn't been printed in core Innistrad sets before. It's why I said at the end I "eye-balled the list" just in case I'd missed any and not noticed!
Metallic Mimic has no reason to be in the set. Its just there because its a good tribal EDH card
I suspect you may be correct. It does feel out of place from pretty much any way I look at it
If downshifted to uncommon I'd reason it would help the popular innistrad tribal draft archetypes of humans, werewolves, vampires, and spirits. The set is pretty fun to draft though
Yes please new video about is it inistrad
For Zurzoth? Honestly I feel that was going to happen anyway. I know I'm right and would love to prove it haha
Next episode: Nahiri Vs. Urza, case study.
Hello again Mr. Cat. I think Nahiri had a great set and villain arc back then: She brought to Innistrad the same evil she swear to keep under control. She was responsable for so much chaos and destruction and the loss of Avacyn, Gisela and Bruna, wich i will be classifying as war crimes against the magic lore.
And last but not least, Sorin imprisoned in Stone. Until that point in history, ten out of ten. But then, wizards forgot what they were doing right and choose to do their own end game.
The issue with her is that nobody cared enought to finish her arc. She deserved her own last "world ending" set. She had enough power and agenda to pull that feat. Even against some powerfull walker like Ugin, wich would have been an excelent ending in my opinion.
Yeah, and to see this odd "will they won't they" hint at a potential redemption arch for her they keep maybe teasing with her in Zendikarr since, I'm not a fan
@RedBobcatGames I'm sorry, what?! A redemption arc? For Nahiri?!? I'm willing to go to bat for Nahiri to a certain extent, but after seeing what she did in Shadows over Innistrad and Eldritch Moon, even I wouldn't argue that she should or even could be redeemed.
Edit: Also, I think she tried to "unalive" Zendikar in Zendikar Rising, but I'm a little fuzzier on that point. But yeah, after being an active threat to Innistrad and possibly her own home plane as well, I really don't think she can be redeemed.
Love all of this Innistrad content! Awesome having a content creator that's such a big fan of the plane. I'm in favor of a video of the cards that were left out, but also what you felt about the cards that made it in. Does remastered feel close enough to your ideal Innistrad cube? If not, what would that look like?
I've been working on a video today actually that (while not done yet) may answer some of those questions. I'll need to play it a BUNCH more before I'd feel confident talking about it from a draft/cube perspective, but aside from that I'm hoping the video giving more of a casual chat about my feelings on the set should be up next week
@RedBobcatGames I'll keep an eye out for it! Wish we had more time before Aetherdrift to enjoy it, but I've had fun so far.
Agreed!
4:45 Naw i'm with you on that one. I expected Nahiri to die on Eldritch Moon for that alone, then she literally tried to do the exact same thing to Zendikar (still surprised how she wasn't put on the chopping block for that), and then she survived Phyresis, somehow undid the corruption on her own, and still is alive after all that. I'm not even sure some other villains even came close to that level of evil that she did besides maybe Bolas, let alone her being able to survive for as long as she have. Hell, I was expecting Sorin to finally finish her off during the March but here we are.
And yet, she keeps getting redeemed for some reason!
If i remember correctly(just checked the wiki), she did not undo the phyresis of her own, it was a wave of halo that hit her when the skyclave was dropped with her in there aka a Deus ex Machina to keep her character alive and around. She did remove the rest of the phyrexian components off on her own once she realized she had been cured of phyresis, theorizing that the blast of halo and the loss of her spark contributed to her un-compleation. She should've just died there, feels like a bit of a cop out for me. Guess Wotc's gotta sell those spark-deprived legendary creatures eh?
I honestly expect them to pull a redemption arch for her at some point, and I will not have it!
4:30 As a fellow Zendikari planeswalker, I can explain (though not justify) Nahiri's actions on Innistrad.
Sorin was one of the three planeswalkers who helped lure the Eldrazi titans to Zendikar and trap them there in the first place, a plan to which Nahiri agreed only on the condition that the other two planeswalkers assist in recapturing the Eldrazi if they ever started to break free. When Nahiri noticed that the Eldrazi's prison was weakening, she called on Ugin and Sorin for help. Ugin was unable to help, on account of being dead at the time, but Sorin simply didn't get the distress call, suspecting that the defenses he was building around Innistrad interfered with the signal. When Nahiri confronted him about this, the two of them got into a fight that resulted in Sorin sealing Nahiri in the Helvault, leaving the Eldrazi titans largely unchecked when they broke free some time later. With Sorin being unwilling to defend Zendikar despite his promise to do so, and with his actions preventing Nahiri from defending Zendikar herself, Nahiri thought it was only fair to unleash on Innistrad one of the Eldrazi titans that Sorin had let roam free on Zendikar.
Granted, Nahiri is a monster for unleashing the Eldrazi on the innocent people of Innistrad, but Sorin absolutely had it coming, even if his people didn't.
Yeah, see that's a take I've never understood. Sorin had it coming for not getting the message? And then defending himself when attacked? I wouldn't have gone to help Zendikarr after that either personally. Like what's Sorin going to do that the 3 of them together couldn't? Build his defences and try to at least save Innistrad, that's what. Sorin may have been a dick about it, but I don't think he did anything wrong
@RedBobcatGames I think it was wrong of Sorin to lock Zendikar's strongest defender up in a magical prison he and Avacyn then filled with demons, but since he was basically acting in self-defense at that point, I can't really blame him. Nahiri's initial grievance with Sorin was justified, but the two of them should never have come to blows about it, and then Nahiri's (justified, imo) desire to avenge Zendikar caught too many innocent people who had nothing to do with any of this. Sorin endangered innocent lives on Zendikar, but that's no excuse for Nahiri to endanger innocent lives on Innistrad, no matter how poetic that "justice" sounded to Nahiri.
Soren didn't do a good job apologising, or really at all but Nahiri literally attacked him over it. She started the fight. If she'd have been civil, she wouldn't have been trapped in the Helvault. You can't ask someone for help and try to kill them, and then blame them for incapacitating you. The only thing Soren is actually at fault for is not even attempting to let Namori out once she'd cooled down. However, given what happened to Avacyn, seems like it is impossible to get things out of the Helvault without breaking it. And it wasn't easy to make. At worst, Soren prioritised the defence of his own plane over releasing Nahiri; after he already knew Ugin was indisposed.
Also, Nahiri checked only Bala Ged and saw it was fucked by the Eldrazi, and didn't check anywhere else. If she had, she would have seen that the plane as a whole WAS saved, though without Soren's involvement. So she decided to punish Soren's innocent people by releasing an Eldrazi on them, and making him watch. It is completely out of order. Soren never intended for Zendikar to get fucked intentionally; she did intentionally try and cause a plane wide genocide.
@veggiedragon1000 I had forgotten which planeswalker had started that fight, and you're right, physically attacking Sorin over him missing a phone call and being a jerk definitely wasn't justified, and it certainly didn't help anything.
I also agree that she should have checked more places besides just Bala Ged, especially before risking the destruction of an entire plane. Even if eye-for-an-eye retribution was justifiable (which is, itself, debatable), her response was potentially completely disproportionate.
Now see, here's where it gets murky. Because "Sorin never intended for Zendikar to get fucked intentionally". Hmmmm, I don't know about that. I think Sorin's looking at the big picture and thinking "Well okay, SOMEONE has to get fucked here regardless. Might as well be Zendikarr and hopefully by then we'll have thought of something". I think Sorin knew exactly what would happen to Zendikarr BUT I also think he's a "the needs of the many" type... and I have to agree with him. It's not right, and yes he's a dick, but I maintain he did nothing wrong
Wait. Hold on. I finally just noticed the picture better.... Where is Nissa's Glyph on the Moon that imprisons Emrakul? They really want to pretend they didn't do Eldritch Moon now. Apocolyptic levels of Eldrazi just disapear, retcons to story to uneldrazi, life went on as normal DESPITE how much death occured let alone conversion.
Wizards just doesn't know how to tell a story anymore.
Invasion of Innistrad said the undead were immune to the oil but in Tolvalda, unanimated corpses long buried were not and rose up phyrexianized. How?
If only I knew. I suppose you could argue the glyph faded. And maybe the rules for how zombies work differs from plane to plane... but yeah that's an awful lot of world building and hole filling for the audience to have to do. I agree
@ ah but Tolvalda’s dead weren’t zombies. Just corpses. So for some reason the oil can ressurect the dead too but only on Tolvalda?
I imagine this conversation happening in the WotC writting room, and the reply being "Yeah, sure. Who cares! We have 5 new sets to spoiler next month alone! Just get it done!"
This was a good video! Yes, I would love to see a video talking about Nahiri's crimes and why Zurzoth should be from Innistrad! Both sound like interesting ideas! I also want to say that I think the Nahiri-Sorin conflict (for all its flaws) is perhaps the greatest modern conflict WOTC has ever made because it never fails to incite strong emotions from the Vorthos community years after its inception. Three whole arcs later (the Bolas Arc, the New Phyrexian Arc, and the Omenpath Arc) have yet to create something as viscerally complex that still makes people ask: who was in the right? (which I think is a poor question. The damage done is too great to quantify and it might be more interesting to ask: how does their story move forward from here?)
Oh I totally agree, and I'm exactly the type of person you described. But for me however, the answer to that question is simple. It was Sorin. Sorin was right. He wasn't good necessarily, and was a real dick about it but he was right. I know people say "He locked her up" but that's what we do with people trying to murder us. She came looking for a fight, lost and then decided to take it out on Innocent people. God I need to do a video on this to get it out of my system haha
@RedBobcatGames That's a really fair point.
She had a right to be angry at him, in my opinion, but violence, especially against innocent bystanders, definitely wasn't the right answer.
I like all the Red Bobcat's videos
Thank you. I like all the comments haha
Where the hell are the pirate wizards?
EXACTLY!
1:40 breathe man
Yeah, I don't know what came over me there
Naw dude, go off, mad respect.@RedBobcatGames
Nahiri might be an unforgivable monster, but Sorin is her equal in that.
I don't know if I'd agree with that. He never wanted the Eldrazi intentionally free to kill people. He might be a dick, but his creation of Avacyn proves he's against that sort of mass cruelty
Sorin feels like the quintessential Orzhov character. He'll do the right thing and his actions serve the greater good, but his motives are selfish. Meanwhile, in Eldritch Moon, we're TOLD Nahiri is Boros, but if anything, her actions portray her as a purely RAKDOS character. She's literally attempting genocide over what is the equivalent of a friend having a bad cell phone signal.
@lancejburns Having bad cell phone signal AND being a bit grumpy*. That's seems to be why most people say he deserved it
6:45 - I was following and agreeing with you... until you made that good point about what happened to the spirits and maybe this is what has happeneed to the Deadeye Navigator as well.
Oh man... that's depressing. I think you may have just flipped me on the card though, and now I'm kind of into it if that's the case
3:12 - Agreed in full this feels like a budget decision to not comission needed new art, but the card itself is fine.
Yeah. Which does have a knock on effect to the lore, but like... Okay I guess. You now?
@RedBobcatGames - Yes. I have found that you and I share a lot of overly obsessive lore ideas. Did you ever used to think about how common/uncommon/rate a spell was alsp showwed how common it was or wasn't to encounter in the lore of magic? And how the effect impacted an average person vs more and more powerful mages?
Like, Sign in Blood is a common that deal two deamage, and it seems like many people whould fall victim to the craving of forbidden knowledge, and the average person would die from the 2 damage, but a more powerful dark mage could survive it and so forth? And how that scale up for things like Promise of Power and how that would rip apart even more powerful beings, but still just be possible for a Planeswalker to handle? These are just examples.
....I really like Rahilda to be honest. It filled that gap that the faux Robin Hood card left when it rotated out of standard.
I'd love it too, but I want in paper for my collection
That into had Red seeing red
And rightly so!
If you define a word by using the word, it is incorrect. But using remasteted set as the rules is "okay". I have my problem on in the Core Set Vampire. It was out around the time of innistrad, so the emotional driven WOTC threw it in.
I'm okay with this deinition. I think as long as the cards feel like they could fit or have a connection then it's okay. Maybe too much would be a bad thing? But they don't over do it here, so I'm fine with it
Best thing you can do to make a Case for Zurzoth is to refer to the precedential Case of Bruvac, the Grandiloquent. A Jumpstart-Printing without any connection to the Plane of Ravnica, except its Lore and Art and yet it got promptly reprinted in the Ravnica Remastered Set (even getting a special Frame and an alternate Artwork). But while some may say that this Printing was mostly motivated by secondary Market Pricing and the goal of pushing Set-Sales, we of course know that Wizards dont consider the secondary Market and Zurzoth defenitely wasn't just overlooked as a valid Option to reprint because he's simply too cheap of a Card.
To assume anything else would be ridiculous.
Of course, of course. Silly of me really
Want an Innistrad remastered done right? Collect all the cards and make it a cube.
Hell yeah!
Okay so I need to hear the Zurzoth rant in full.
Did you see the insect video? It's that, but for Devils
Okay but an actual GeoGuesser analog for the art of cards would be sick.
Actually, yeah that would be fun. I feel like I'd suck at it though haha
I did find some of this set not too long ago. Ended up getting a vintage style version of Edgar Markov. So I at least have a new commander deck to brew.
Oh very nice!
God Made!! I love innistrahd but had to skip innistrahd remastered drafts because the boosters are sooo expensive here.
Yeah, the price is mad everywhere which for play boosters is madness!
Some of the added cards are here for the draft environment, which surprisingly work despite having 6+ sets forced in. And be free to do your special is it innistrad video!
Will do!
I dont know what card it is but go off king, i love fast paced rants of alowly jncreasing intensity! Just was missing an edit of a tea kettle whistle and some shaky cam
Thank you, I do try
Why weren't any of the in-universe Stranger Things or Walking Dead cards given a reprint here? Greymond, Avacyn's Stalwart NEEDS a reprint and this was a perfect chance.
Hard agree actually. They should have done all of them, plus maybe in-universe versions of those tomb raider cards too
adding tree of perdition anime art to the ghost girl yugiho archetype
I need to get round to trying Yugioh at some point. I hear good things
9:49
I'd definitely like to see a video comparing the prices of the Innistrad cards they skipped in comparison to the prices of the not Innistrad cards they included. Especially the remakes of the Walking Dead and Stranger Things secret lair cards. I don't expect WotC to bring back "the list" and I can't think of a better set to reprint them in.
No, me either. I was surprised they didn't include them. But then I was surprised they didn't include a lot of cards
I'm looking forward to your videos on Nahiri and Zurzoth.
That Nahiri one has been a video I've been thinking about since I started the channel honestly
@RedBobcatGames Honestly, I'd love that. I've been a fan of Zendikar since I started playing MTG during the Zendikar block, and I stopped playing because WotC had her and Sorrin somehow make peace offscreen during War of the Spark, which neither she nor Sorin would ever do. I didn't pay much attention during Zendikar Rising or the Phyrexian Invasion, but I think she tried and failed to petrify Zendikar and then lost her spark. If you're willing to tell her story, I'd love to hear it from your perspective.
7:11 - I get you, but I felt it was fitting Lilliana's "I don't have time for this $hit" phase and long before her gatewatch story unfolded.
I feel that, to Lilliana, Angles feel like Morrowind Cliff Racers at some point.
Haha, I HEARD the Cliff Racers squeek as I read that
My biggest complaint about this set: They didn't use that boosterbox artwork of Lilliana on any of the cards, and they reused the old artwork on her planeswalker card.
I also don't get why she's not on the play boosters either, and it's just Sorin. They used to have 3 different art on packs
Nonnistrad? OUTNISTRAD! Come on, it was right there!
InniSTOP? InnistraDON'T? InNOTstrad is probably the best in fairness
Innistrad, my beloved.
Easily my favourite plane too
I would mind seeing a video on the card Innistrad Remastered omitted
It's on my list. Hopefully by the time I get round to it people will still be interested
I love it when you talk about stupid stuff, I would definitely enjoy hearing why you think Zurzoth is from Innistrad
That's almost certainly going to get made haha
5:44 - I like both of the first two Gather the Townsfolk art, but not this new third art.
I am also biased, as I still have an old "modern" White/black tokens deck from years ago that I still use for kitchen table and casual game nights.
I'm actually working on a follow up video to this one today, and I discuss how even the art that's been reused here may have been digitally altered. I have some comparisons on screen between the original print of Rally the Peasants and the new one, so you'll have to tell me what you think when you see it too
@RedBobcatGames - Now you have me excited like a school boy.
It's only a brief comparison in fairness, and more of a "Hey guys, here's the twos side by side. What do you think?" sort of thing
> Maelstrom Pulse
> Named after and depicts a pulse of the Maelstrom in Alara that wiped out various creatures
> ??? someone killed some creatures in a big blast on Innistrad, so that fits I guess?
(I don't know the new lore, maybe this is actually legit and there is a Maelstrom on Innistrad too)
No, but... egh close enough you know? I've really lowered my bar in terms of expectations with the narrative lately
I know among a lot of people I've talked to that I'm the only die hard Nahiri fan. I love her mono-white hero to boros villain. I can't wait for her to sort of complete her arc of "I hate planeswalkers" and she becomes mardu. I do hope she dies though. I'm not dumb and I know what she did was wrong. I want a good villain death WOTC!
Yeah, my fear is that WotC seem to keep hinting they want a redemption arch for her... and no. Just no
Hard agree on nahiri being urza level dirtbag, but, with the fact that just about every “big” villain is either incapable of doing stuff or dead now, letting her be the unforgivable monster and just ramping it up gives us at least one villain to keep around. But that also requires wotc to care about story…
That's the thing. She seems to keep getting brought up like a fan favourite, as if they're going to give her a redemption arch. I think they've forgotten her track record
@ yea she doesn’t deserve a redemption arc. I wanna see her get worse
i wanna say as one of the people who was hoping this would be like time spiral remastered and genuinely be a mix of the first 3 blocks of innistrad (with some "beyond the grave" additions perhaps) - I do understand why it went in the ravnica direction of jus printing all the biggest lottery ticket things...
BUT even with that in mind i am curious to always hear analysis of the Set/Cube effect cards will have. Like I do not think edgar markov is going to be playable in draft/limited at all - tho i suppose i can be proven wrong(some nice reanimation combo?). so certainly cards are printed here just for lottery ticket commander shit - but i think overall they have been pretty solid at building a focused environment to allow drafting to feel cohesive, fun, and perhaps even fresh.
so like aside the fact it wouldn't sell as well (my original 3 block innistrad wish) i wonder if it would still be as fun to play. maybe i can make my own block cube one day. and i feel like the omissions were removed for that balance necessary? they all seem like crazy combo pieces.
Yeah I agree that some includes feel like they're aimed at Commander. But also, because of the price or a cards history I can see people being excited to open one during a draft even if they aren't playable. I dunno, I think they've struck quite a fair balance with this and Ravnica Remastered. Though I wish they'd included all the iconic cards, like Cavern of Souls for instance
@RedBobcatGames yeah i just yearn for some quirky way to enjoy a draft experience of sets long gone... like zendikar, alara, or other ones i missed out on. even if that means taking some of the hits in any bad design decisions or clunky magic vibes in that era. but i feel this way about almost every old magic set.
Good video
Thank you
I am so glad I decided not to buy this set, because stuffing in cards that were originally printed in other blocks, but not in the original print run of the Innistrad Block, while also refusing to put things originally printed in Innistrad is a hardcore no-go for me.
I feel you. There's like 20 cards I'm surprised aren't included, and a handful I can't believe aren't included. And putting things like Snap Caster Mage, Liliana of the Veil and Craterhoof in the collector boosters exclusively? Not good
@RedBobcatGames You can pull them in Set boosters. You just can only pull them in the retro slot
Are you sure? I thought they were collector only. Well that's something at least I guess
@RedBobcatGames yes. Someone at my local prerelease pulled the Snappy
Nice!
Most stores in my country aren't buying the set, one even sent an e-mail saying they didn't intend to buy of it so don't even ask. It's just not worth it for a reprint set that costs more than a masters set, I usually just stay stick to singles but if no one opens packs how do you get singles?
That price point is mad for reprints honestly
@RedBobcatGames I saw Gitrog Monster is like 1/4 of the price of a pack and that's a pretty popular mythic, it's not even a gamble anymore you just lose money and if you are a store it's not worth opening packs.
With so many sets each year I think they'll have to rely on power creep to get people to keep buying singles
Yeah, I agree that they should have included standalone Gisa after quoting her in a flavor text. Bad call from WotC not to do that. And please, nobody say that Gisa is nothing special with no right to be included above any other card!
Why would anyone possibly say that about Gisa?!
Slow down redbobcat!
I can't take in everything you're telling us.
I'm old and my poor aged brain need to digest what you're saying!
😁💕👍🏻
I just worked up talking about Zurzoth
Trust me, we are interested.
Good to know!
No spoilers for the end of the video... but... I was hoping it was going to be one of the characters from lore that only got an alchemy card [which was mentioned at the end of the video] and was... disappointed? that this wasn't what got you hot and bothered. Your actual card has me feeling "meh. He has a point, but this is what we are worked up about?"
Well, the issue there is yes this time. Because I'm annoyed they didn't include a pre-existing card that should have been there. I am ALSO 100% annoyed that characters like Captain Eberhart (and don't even get me started on Davriel) haven't been represented. But first they'd need a card, so my annoyance there is mostly about how they're alchemy exclusive. Though you're right, they've printed alchemy cards before in paper so could have done it again here
I was very surprised we got the Lady-boner version of Olivia Voldaren and not new or the corrected art... :^) Also kinda weird that Umbris nor Greymond wasn't reprinted.
Zask seems like an Innistrad card too. I'm okay with ambiguous cards though.
I read that and thought "Huh? Zask is an Innistrad card. It was in Crimson Vow". NOPE, Jumpstart. Dear lord I need to do another video!
Huh, Zurzoth always felt Kaldheim to me
Only devil on Kaldheim is Innistrad's Tibalt though
@RedBobcatGames very true, I even looked it up before commenting to see if I had any evidence, which I don't. But still, he just feels like a lieutenant to Kardur or Varragoth to me.
If you know 40k stuff, he reminds me of Haarken Worldclaimer, Herald of Abaddon the Despoiler. But that's all totally just my headcanon anyway.
That's fair. That's all mine is too honestly. I just enjoy talking about it really. I think hearing people's head canons is always really interesting
Chrome Mox got unbanned and one set later they reprint it for the collector boosters, draw your own conclusions.
Yeah, they're not subtle
That is the exact reason WHY we did not want the rules committee in WotCs hands. But hey little babies got too butthurt over their lotuses being banned.
And, agreed. WotC show time and time again they put profits over their customers. The rules committe thing is still such a shame
The missing cards are a big reason why im skipping this set.
It's mad not to include them all in what should be the definitive remaster
I question why we even need these remasters?
Ultimatley we don't. It's just yet another set WotC can pump out without having to design all new cards. Quantity over quality lately
Something's bothering me a lot about the new "mass hysteria" art. Why are the werewolves depicted with only 4 fingers? It's weird and make no sense, they're dudes that transform into beasts, they should have the same amount of fingers before and after!
Having to fight my inner Zurzoth so I don't reply "a.i. always get the hands wrong"
@RedBobcatGames I mean, I thought about it, too, but without properly looking into the artist it would be tantamount to slander. Besides, it could just be a human error, not an AI one.
Plus I found a bigger gripe related to art and the set: the Avacyn depicted on the collector boosters is a gorgeous piece (as far as I'm concerned), and it's a crime that the illustration didn't get to be printed on an actual card.
Yeah, I completely agree. I often want to take popshots at certain things I see in card design that I dislike but I try to draw a line between a criticism I can make against the company without accidentally making it against an employee. WotC do seem pretty keen on using AI in their designs, but it's impossible to say where sadly
Let's goo
Hope you enjoy
I LOVE INNISTRAD AND ZOMBIES AND GHASTS AND GHOULS AND UNDEAD AND I LOVE ZOMBIES
I feel very much the same!
Yeah im not a fan of metallic mimic either. It is way to refined for innistrad constructs.
Also i really wish Mass Hysteria was humans, not werewolves
That actually makes a lot more sense. We already have hysterical blindness
*too
Nice
Thank you
Word the new art is ai trash 🍿🤡
Not a fan at all