Loved the reaction, man! Always love hearing your feedback thrown in the mix. This video TRIGGERED people, my God 🤣 I’m not totally surprised, because when you question the legitimacy of someone’s greatest claim to fame, it gonna tend to upset people. Lol. Again, I just think going out on a high note is what’s ideal from a legacy standpoint, and the longer you play in your “father time” phase, the more people start to remember THAT instead of the peak moments.
What's up Jonny! Good to see ya man. Another great vid here my friend. I agree with you though. I think with Lebron still chasing those 6 rings it's gonna be a bad look way for him to fade out instead of him walking away. I think probably after winning his last ring that would've been a good time to dip. But instead I think he might really play at least 2 more seasons lol. He just won't stop 😆
@@TheRealMindCrime, there's no way he gets to 6 rings. Also, just explained a bronhead on IG what recency bias is and why it's the whole reason he thinks Leflop is the GOAT.
Already believed Jonny is the best in the business. Seiing him reply to this video within a couple of hours of this being posted, I love it. One of the last real ones out there. I would love to see the 2 of you work on something together.
@jonnyarnett "This video triggered people"... Correction sir, this video triggered LeBronze and his army of sock puppet accounts he uses to try to hijack online thread narratives.
@@JoeKen3imagine the 90’s game Lebron doing his lays against ewing, rodman, robinson , shaq in the paint. It would never work. He plays kids now with kids rules!!you can’t play defense anymore these days!
I think it’s becoming clearer and clearer that Lebron’s longevity is due to PEDs. Even so, the longer he plays without winning the more it proves he doesn’t play a winning style of basketball
A pro athlete who was busted for using PEDs literally came out a few months ago and said that he knows with absolute certainty that LeBron is on the juice because he literally gets his gear from the same person. Of course Klutch had to reach into their very deep pockets to shut everyone up and nobody talked about it...
@@ToddandRaquiForrestyour comment is facts I remember how he iced AD out offensively when AD was the finals mvp after 2 games. At the end of game 4 when the lakers won you can see the look on AD’s face he looked enraged 😂
In an episode of open court Steve Kerr was talking about fans heckling players and he related one from his San Antonio days with Kevin Willis, who was late in his career, evidently a fan says "Hey Willis, are you single? My grandma kinda likes you" 😅 🤣
I think lebron is on the juice. Hes had the most minutes of all time. This is not normal. He can still get up and is athletic. This is not normal at all. He recovers fast when he gets hurt which is very sus. After i heard the allegations and the owner of those supplements said lebron has alot of red flags. I think hes had benefits becuase of the Era also.
If we consider the fact he gets bailed out by the ref's 3-4 times a game and never gets called for travelling his points per game would truly be hovering around the 18-19 pt mark instead of 25 points
I‘m not a LeBron fan but i could argue for him that if he wasn‘t a poor free throw shooter for an all time great then he would have more points scored and a higher PPG average.
Plus the league not going small would have more big bodies like the ones that stopped him from winning, like dwight, chandler, even bogut from getting freebies at the rim. His fg% and scoring goes lower. Just like every other aged great had to contend with in the past.
@@keithkool8308jordan never won w/o pipen nor Phil Jackson so hes lost 7 seasons. Lebron has won 4 with young and up and coming coaches and there's never been a pipeneque player that stood by him for all of his victories.
@@chrisbenson1800 are you a kid or what 😂😂. MJ was MJ from the start and got pippen that’s right, look what pips average was joining the bulls?? Yep he got better due practice together!! Lebron didn’t win nothing either for how many years?? and couldn’t not make 1 teammate better to win a chip!! Instead of competing against his competition he joined his competition for not 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 chips with the heat?? Could not even make a 3 peat because he chokes in the 4th quarters and got shot down by Jason terry !! Even got saved by Ray allen and Kyrie or don’t you remember that!! Lebron never made a game winning shot in the Finals! NEVER!! He benefits from the rules and teamjumps and still underachieved as a winner !! He doesn’t have the fundamentals of the game ( travels ALOT, carries the ball, lack of footwork and most of his points are same lays and right hand dunks in open lanes because nobody can play solid defense anymore or its a whistle!! The nba now is the softest era ever!! European players dominate now in the NBA why’s that?? Because it’s way easier to score now. No double or triple teaming a player from scoring and sure not Lebron J. They let him shoot his Bricks!! The man shoots 4 times as much 3 point shots as MJ and is slightly better, normally if you shoot more you get better at it right, he still plays the same style of bball never adjusted his game! He’s not even top 5!!! And Lebron fans are the only fans celebrating making the finals and losing them . The only player that made a dynasty into a circus 🎪!! The only player that made flopping and loadmanagment great in this era, the only player that has excuses for everything, and no other player gets credit for saving his bumbum!!
Funny how LeFraud’s fans keep rehashing the 4-6 (10 total) is better than 6-0 (6 total). Jordan only played 15 years while LeBrick is still working his ass to convince everyone he is the GOAT. Proclaiming yourself as the GOAT is just so pitiful to hear in the sports industry.
I've seen players play for a long time BUT LeFraud wore out his welcome a long time ago. Its clearly obvious he is playing for stats and unearned/meaningless accolades. Still chasing the ghost from Chicago. Yes, I believe he is on something, thats even more obvious when you know what to look for.
Has he been staying at your house? No he hasn't. So he's not overstaying his welcome. He's an entertainer. Deal with it. And stop being a hater. You add nothing to this topic but your own insecurities. You are too involved in a sport that's meant to be ingested for fun. Stop letting the media control how you react to the world.
@@buckiszDid someone say something!?! Oh...so you're just another fangirl, got it!! Do me a favor, go find your father and get that much needed hug, you conduct yourself like female, you must have been raised by a single mother.
@@allpraisestothemosthigh9418 Stop the madness. You are no comedian. Are you triggered? It's my take. But you reply like a child. You call a person you know nothing about names (james). You take this topic to serious when there are a lot of other thing to provide your energy to that's more pressing. Think about.
@@buckisz people are entitled to their own opinions. I think thou dost protest too much,Sir............the human body simply doesnt work this well,for this long.........without that player being on the juice. Lebron is making it obvious. Actually it was obvious lebron was Juicing from the beggining of the 2015 season.
I HATED the self crowning!!! He will never in my top 25 of all time. Thank you to The FanBoys destroy his legacy too 🤣🤣🤣 My stand MJ 1st Kobe 2nd this two will be my 1 and 2 forever As always Bro you have a great day ahead
MJ owned a part of the Wizards, and him playing was just something to get butt's in the stands. The more money the Wizards made, the more money HE makes.
@@spacemountain5624 yep he did forgot about that had to google it and his salary was only 1 mil that season that man saved money on the books for a 20/5/5 and sold out every home game this was a nice chunk of change on his way to becoming a billionaire
@@spacemountain5624 yeah he did, in october of that year he donated 100K to the kids of the parents and then 900K for the relief efforts, then he and the majority owner of the wizards, at that time, created a fund to help the other victims and families affected by the attack, think they raised like 3m at that time.
Plus he wasn’t still out there acting like he was the best player on the Court and trying to embarrass ppl… he knew he wasn’t the best player and even said he shouldn’t be the best player on that team. Bcuz the teams is in trouble if they think he can carry tbem to the Playoffs? That’s not him anymore… he was like 39 and respected the other players on that team, and was just grateful that they allowed him to be part of that roster. Even the respect he showed to the Coach was amazing! Truely a man that loved and respected the game of basketball.
I've been saying this for years, but I never thought he would go this long and run them negative stars up as high as he has, it's too wild to ignore at this point 💯
Michael Jordan played his 2 seasons for free with the wizards, his salary went to charities for natural disasters wow, so even Jordan knew the expectations for the wizards, he simply came back for the love of the game and competing, Bron and some fans call rings overrated 🤦 if that's the case why did he leave Cleveland...twice, he could have retired after winning the Cleveland one. Or hung it up there. 🤷
Do yall remember Wilt Chamberlain said to Michael Jordan: “The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules so that you could dominate.” Now imagine what would he say to Lebron James, if he alive today?
Jonny nailed it with the "you can't have it both ways." LeBron fans only ever talk about the good side of LeBron's longevity with his scoring record. Never heard them mention the turnovers. Also, nobody ever said Kareem was the GOAT scorer when he had the most all time points🤷.
Did I just hear another Basketball Fan backhand Compliment the Early 2000s Blazers Team? That never happens since Stern stole our Series against LA June 4 2000!! Sacramento is Mentioned but still Heart broken
I said that before, I say again. He should finish his career after the bubble ring. Every season afterwards he's winning nothing, his team is winning nothing, they go nowhere. He's diluting his career, empty stats only.
the problem with this goat debate is that people is acting dumb because longevity is not a good thing…if you work a job for 50 years you have longevity at that job but if you hit the lottery for 50 million dollars the first year working at that job the first thing you would have done was QUIT you would STOP WORKING… longevity is why LeBron not a goat he played the most season and scored the most points but don’t have more championships then Kobe or Jordan..he 39 years old firing coaches and trying to get superstar teammates to play with just to try and win more championships..longevity is bad your trying to get something you don’t have yet.
@@jaydot4956 because he ain’t winning championships ..if he loved what he do then he shouldn’t be walking off the court with 5 minutes left in the game cause he losing in the first round of the playoffs🤣🤣🤣..if he love what he do he would of played 82 games more then 1 time… LeBron James is still playing to win championships that is why he getting new Coaches and team mates at 39 years old..
@@TonyMontanaMIYAYO bro I never said he wasn’t trying to win championships, but if you’re still a top player in the league and people are still willing to pay you the max then why not play a little longer? It’s not like Lebron is Vince Carter (hanging on by a thread) getting paid 3 million year trying to win a cheap ring lol.
@@jaydot4956 LeBron James is not a top player in the league that’s 🧢…the last 4 seasons the Lakers been a 9th and 11th seed..his contract is set for him to at least win 6 championships it’s no need to act stupid HE TRYING TO GET SUPERSTARS ON HIS TEAM..longevity is a failure fool if you worked a job for 50 years it’s cause you didn’t have enough money to retire in 30 years…playing professional basketball is work fool
MJ playing for the Wizards was dope.. My little brother was too young to watch MJ in his prime so he got to see him on the Wizards and he didn't miss a game. I enjoyed the games with him💯
What the MJ haters fail to mention when comparing LeBron at 38-39 with Wizards MJ is that in the last two seasons the NBA team ppg was 115 points, while during MJ's 2 years in Washington the average NBA team ppg was 96. That's a 19 points difference every game for every team. Yet they shit all over MJs 22 ppg vs LeBron's 27 ppg. Furthermore, the Wizards specific ppg was around 92. A 38-39 year old MJ was scoring 1/4 of his team's points in a supremely defensive-minded league. Also, you won't ever hear a fan of LBJ mentioning that in all fairness MJ was coming back after 3 years away from the game. No regular training for 3 years, the occasional party, alcohol, cigars, etc, yet he still managed to excel.
Gm Bro. Yes the longer he plays it's looking worse. 21 years 5 all defensive 1st teams 6 total. In 11 years consecutively he has no MVP no defensive teams no scoring title. An the fact he has 20 all NBA teams but 6 defense should let anyone know who admits defense is apart of basketball that he doesn't even qualify for a top 5 all-time spot. He piles up numbers based on longevity and he's getting rewarded with all NBA 3rd team selections and a all-star trip with nothing else. Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan only 2 players in NBA History with atleast 10 all NBA teams and 10 all defensive teams how is it the goat isn't anywhere close to this? Maybe because he hasn't actually played defense in years. Bro self researched nba facts you should check his channel out. You'd be surprised just how overrated LeBronze James actually is Bro ✌🏾
All of MJ's accomplishments in 13 years, including his 6 titles, can't be compared to if LeBronda still got six in,let's say year 23 or year 24. Simple math. Simple, simple, simple..........dang it! That would literally be twice the career MJ had. Like I said before, is winning 3.5 titles in 21 years goat like? HELL TO THE NO! Or is losing 6 championships goat like? Anyway you slice it.
I love JonnyArtnett's vids. Been watching for a couple of years. When that man tracked down old 87-88 Chicago Bulls games to prove that BS narrative about Jordan's defensive stats (being fake and inflated), he earned my deepest respect. That's dedication and real research. He also admits being a Laker fan and a Kobe fan, but he can be objective.
Michael Jordan Wizard years, he played with half a pointer finger... Google a pick of MJs hand with the Wizards. His shooting hand pointer finger is literally a quarter of it gone, after he cut it with the cigar splicer. How he averaged 20 with that is AMAZING! SHEESH! Mike could have joined the 3 peat Lakers, but he was such a competitor that he thought he would lead the Wizards with damn near a half a finger on his shooting hand.
Agreed! Something that rarely gets mentioned is the fact that Jordan actually suffered with tendinitis in his knees since college. The first noticeable effects of his tendinitis occurred in the 1991 Playoff series against the Philadelphia 76ers and persisted throughout the 1991 Finals against the Lakers but MJ struggled significantly with tendinitis throughout the entire 1995/96 season. He also developed tendinitis in his wrist. By the time he got to Washington, he was a shell of his former self, the tendinitis in his knees and wrist was more severe, he was experiencing back spasms and as you mentioned, he had severed the tendon in his right finger on his shooting hand. Yet, despite these injuries, look at his production on the court that first year in Washington, aged 38/39 years old, in a low scoring, tough defensive league... - 2001/02 (46 games prior to meniscus tear...) *Averaged 25.1 points per game, 6.2 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 1.5 steals, 0.5 blocks on 42% shooting - In his last 20 games leading up to the injury... *Averaged 27.5 points per game, 6.4 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 1.3 steals, 0.5 blocks on 44% shooting - In his last 10 games leading up to the injury... *Averaged 29.7 points per game, 6.6 rebounds, 6.1 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.3 blocks on 47% shooting He turned one of the worst teams in the league into a Playoff contender and was in contention for MVP, prior to his meniscus tear. He also significantly impacted the team defensively, the year prior to MJ's arrival, Washington were the 2nd worst defensive team in the league, following Jordan's arrival they were the 6th best defensive team in the league. The impact he had on such a subpar team, despite playing with significant injuries aged 38-40 years old, was nothing short of incredible. He was past his prime but his skills, fundamentals and IQ were still exceptional and he gave maximum effort on BOTH ends of the court, defensively shutting down players half his age, in their primes, like T-Mac, Vince Carter, Shawn Marion, Peja Stojakovic and Latrell Sprewell. Jordan played with several injuries throughout his career, both as a Bull and as a Wizard but he rarely talked about those injuries, never wanting his opponents to view him as vulnerable. This quote from MJ in 1996 shows his unmatched competitive mindset... "What I try to do is focus on the moment, the situation at hand. Instead of allowing myself to think about pain, I try to concentrate on the value of my skills to this team. Once I'm out there, I just go at it. If it hurts too much to go left or bend over, then I don't do it. I don't want to come out looking hurt. They see you bleed, they go for more blood."
@theresak2024 you are absolutely on point! MJ literally came back to see how much he still had in the tank. He's just not the guy to tell himself let me go join Phil, Kobe amd Shaq and win 3 more rings. He told himself I will beat Phil, Kobe, and Shaq.
I had LeBron in the 4-6 range after his second stint in Cleveland. Honestly, I've dropped him one to two spots a year as a Laker. I currently have him 16th.
The longevity is dropping his percentage of losing seasons compared to rings. Outside of that he is truly trying to set the scoring and other numbers as high as he can.
I didn't think coming back to the wizards hurt MJs legacy narratively AT ALL. I think it actually helped. It helped humanize him. It helped Revere him to the younger players. I think it hurt him statistically. His PPG, FG% etc. A few stats took a minor dip. In paper in the Internet argument would look a little better.
I think it’s a good thing cus people love to discredit Jordan because of “illegal defense” rules, but when he came back and averaged 26 before the injuries. I like that he played because it proved he’d be well under any type of defense
I agree with you and Johnny: The Ratio of what a player has accomplished compared to how long that player played in the League/ is what I look at as greatness & Dominance. I look at Per Game & Per Year to determine how great a player really is or was. All of Lebron Stats Averages per game and per year in every statistical Categories, he is not even top 15. not in assist, not in blocks, not in rebounds, not in steals and only 7th points per game per average of all-time. This is just me; I think Jordan came back because somebody challenged him, probably saying that he couldn't score at a high level 30 to 40 point a game at his age, which he did/ Jordan takes challenges personally/ Tom brady wanted to pass Jordan in championship that's why He continue to play until he passed Jordan with 7 championships. That's crazy when another player in another sport has his eye on you in competition. Even if Lebron wins 1 more championship or 1 more Reg. Sea. MVP or 1 more Final MVP: Lebron then would have: 5/5/5 it still will not be enough to pass Jordan because Jordan still has 6 rings, 6 Finals and 5 Reg. Sea. MVP they only would be tied for the Reg. Sea. MVP or if he gets another All-Star MVP which the NBA will fix it so they can give it to Lebron, just like they did for the Olympics or Kutch Sports with Rich Paul will be calling voters to vote for Lebron because they tried to do that in the Reg. Sea. of 2023 instead of giving to Nikola Jokic. They will pull something to try to give it to Lebron and Lebron just might pay under the table to get it. But the Ratio will not be 4 of 21 it becomes 5 of 22 what's the difference it still equals out the same = 17 years apart/ then Lebron fans will try to compare awards and accomplishments that did not exist in Jordan Era: like: the (In season cup tourn. trophy & MVP trophy, Olympic All-Star 5: don't know what that is & Olympic MVP just to make his resume longer. No telling what the NBA will come up with: Lebron will probably tell the Lakers do a ring of honor award ceremony like they did for the bulls. And how Lebron and his camp: including Nick Wright go about accomplishing that for Lebron goes against his Goat argument which makes it worse and it's not valid.
It's not longevity, it's his narcissism and ring chasing, among other things, that's making him a laughing stock. He's hanging around to stat pad and collect a paycheck.
His missed shots could lay down the foundation for a solid building. That’s what gets me. His shooting can look atrocious. He also likes to fadeaway from littler defenders. His ‘game’ is bulldozing and charging the lane. Basically, put him on the line and the GOAT debate starts to crumble. That’s what hurt Magic early but he became a better shooter. “It’s complete crap!” ❤
Most NBA players could play in the League for 30-35 years if they were allowed to skip the 2nd game in a back-to-back, load manage, and not play any defense in the games they did play. Most retired NBA players could play in an Adult Mens League where they only play 20-30 games, and the retired NBA player would DOMINATE. One of the main reasons they retired or were forced to retire is because they cannot complete at the highest level for 82-100 games a year, physically.
When the stats page was show, we all forget that the older players came from a league period where scoring was harder and that they were transiting into or are role-players allowing room for the next to grow. And look at the MPG, every but James plays about 10-16mins, where James is "playing" 35. I would expect someone playing the whole game to continue to have high number versus someone playing 1/3 as many minutes. Then when I look at PPG/MPG, LBJ is only 2 to 3 times better than these players without having the health issues or age(looking at Parrish who was 43 during that season and is quite comparable to LBJ in production). Parrish was a reserve player whereas LBJ is starter.
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Ima Bron fan. Just like how y’all love watching MJ even on the Wizards I enjoy watching Lebron. Once he’s gone that’s it so ima enjoy it while he’s here. Hope he plays another 5 years. He getting at least one more ring lol
What are you talking about? The vast majority didn't want MJ to come back with Washington. Hell, David Stern didn't want him to come back back then lol. Sure he gave us some good vintage MJ moments from time to time but his knees were shot. It wasn't nearly as enjoyable. The majority believed 98 was the perfect storybook ending. Most of us were sort of upset he came back lol.
Longevity doesn't hurt what he already accomplished, but it has given more opportunity for the silliness surrounding him to continue and get worse. From allowing him to influence the drafting of his son, hiring a coach with no experience that he coincidentally is friends with, giving longevity stats value, over peak stats, awards he clearly doesn't deserve, all waters down his legacy.
If peds, all the sports science, and supplements were available back in the day, the argument "new generation is more athletic would go out the window".
@TheRealMindCrime Yeah, it's wild to me. Imagine Jordan's increased athleticism and career longevity if he was juicing? Hell, even Kobe's. However, I feel like that's why a lot of the old school ballers, and especially Jordan and Kobe, had such mastery of the fundamentals and had a very well rounded and polished game-- even just their jab step had so much depth to it. They'd sell a jab step so well and put their entire body language and movement into the fake that it made it so they didn't need as much athletic ability to blow past a defender-- and it was like this for their entire moveset, more so as they got older because it forced them to refine their moves and resort to using more efficient ones. But not Lebalco. His game lacks the refinery, all of his moves lack the detail the greats had and paid attention to because he always relied on his superior physique and athletism to get his way. And even as he ages, he refuses to finally adapt and add to his moveset and polish his footwork/fundamentals, which is why he still has no bag 20+ years into his career. He just injects more peds up his ass so he can continue running around "full head of steam" flopping and flailing, throwing powder up in the air and putting on self appointed imaginary crowns. It's so cringe. No wonder KD went to goldenstate-- took the binky right out of LeBaby's mouth and denied him a ring or 2 that he wouldn't deserve. Many people hate on KD for that, but not me, I loved it. Gave LeRingChaser a taste of his own medicine.
The only thing that bothered me about Jordan's days as a Wizard. Haters use that period of his career to hate on Jordan. Because you can't say anything about him in a Bull's jersey.
35 minutes per game is insane in your 21st season. I could see a great shooter playing well at that age getting 17ppg but the minutes per game are absolutely wild. No player is gonna play enough to average 25 in year 21. That is something that will never be investigated but should be
If you noticed, he didn't show a total of Lebron James games played in the 23-24 season. Hmmm..i wonder why? It's probably because Lebron is actually very fragile and just a strong gust of wind blowing his direction will cause him to sit out a game or two.
Lebron actually stepped it up last year to 71 played games just becaues the new rules to not give players who missed a bunch of games rewards like NBA all teams etc. The previous year when this new rule wasn't enacted yet he only played 55 games lol
Posting before watching, yes it 100% is. He's not playing as well as he once did. His lack of defense is increasingly becoming a stain on his legacy, as is him being the all time leader in turnovers and soon to be all time leader in missed shots.
The longevity definitely hurts Lebron. History belongs to the victors and also how it goes down. The 3 points that Jonny brings up with Lebron superteaming, winning 4 titles in 20 season, and other contenders winning on his watch are key factors that shows how this is hurting his legacy
LeBron: I play for the name on the back not the logo on the front. Also i find it funny that LeBron only has 1 season where he played all 82 games (Last year in CLE before leaving for LAL)
The first big introduction of cheating in sports for me was Brady Anderson. He was the Orioles lead off batter - a fast, quick, on base hitter who played left field. He was stealing bases, robbing hits in the outfield. All of a sudden in year 9 (while in his 30's), he shows up bigger, and hits 50 homeruns. Through his 15 year career he never came close to 50 before or after that. I think his 2nd most was 24 in a season and that was a lot for him. I still don't know if he did, but it's wild that he did that but couldn't hit even half that any other year. All of the accusations that came at him was the first I was really introduced to guys potentially cheating at that level.
🫡Sup, I've been a competitive athletic guy for over 4 decades now and nowhere in any sport is 4 for 21 GOAT anything. 4 Championships.....I have to point to Championship because he has dismantled, destroyed, Hof'er-teamed up, and exhausted all resources from multiple franchises to obviously win Championships. Only 4. So, keep playing LeIamTheGoat, the numbers only get worse because once he does retire the only thing left is his numbers and they don't = GOAT 🐐
I must correct you, KD is 7th overall but top USA scorer. Its stupid media narrative, top scorer have 1000 points, KD 500 :D Btw I love your content, keep up a great work :)
Jordan's Wizards years were basically icing. Even a Portland Scottie was still doing moves that made me wow. LeBron's Laker years, however, are all riddled with politics; pushing through the bubble season, the ist, and now Bronny and JJ. They're making it unbearable to watch.
lebroooom needs to keep playing to keep stacking his stats because he has no other argument for the "goat" debate (that he insanely needs for his ego) aside from that
Lebron is Stephen from the movie Dejango. He loves Candyland more than any player in the history of professional sports. Try and debunk what I just said !!!
I agree I do think his longevity is hurting his legacy. It really just comes off as Lebron just wants to do as much as possible to make MJ irrelevant even though that will never happen. I believe a lot of his fans make his longevity the deciding factor of him being the goat, but it’s just irrelevant stuff. You can’t just replace nor erase the results that he has attached to his career. It will never be as star-studded as MJ’s ever had a lot of people just have a big issue understanding that.
Love ur stuff, but if I had to make a point it’s that u have an international audience (actually I’d love to know the international %) and we don’t always understand NFL or baseball or hockey etc. you did eventually tie it to Lebron but yeah, pls remember that. Still think u rule DONT stress. No worries 👍
Hey good point! I just checked and its 67% united states viewers. I had no idea how many international viewers i had to you mentioned this lol. Thank you.
For the 21 years Karl Malone had all but one player behind him on the scoring list, and do you know why we never, ever, heard anyone lobby on his behalf and claim he was the second best player of all time? Because all though its an outstanding achievement, worthy of recognition, its a testament to longevity. He was way better than most, but he wasn't "the guy". I don't have the words to properly describe how great you must be to nearly be that guy and maintain it for 20 years. But i do know its not the same as actually being the guy. This was so obvious to basketball lovers no one talked about the disrespect of Karl Molone. He wasn't Larry, Magic, or Michael. He nearly was, and did it for longer.
20:30 Michael Jordan came back also because the ratings was down and David Stern begged him to come back. Jordan wanted to retire on the court and not in a lockout press conference like he did in January of 1999. He was also promised ownership stake in the Wizards by then Wizards owner Abe Pollin. And he held his own against the likes of Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson, etc
I am always skeptical of guys doing unheard of things at advanced ages I just always assume they're enhanced combine that with no real plan that LeBalco has that is available to others, even Brady has the TB12 method. LeBron fans never talked about Malone or anyone else in the top 5 in most points until LeBron got to the top. If LeBron would shut up and stop crowning himself I would've been fine with him it's the non-stop praise and tearing down of everyone before him that annoys me. It really struck me watching Kobe doing work the amount of times Kobe said "it's my fault, I messed that up, I know better" Jordan had an AD where he talked about his failures LeBron and unklutch are the exact opposite "I always make the right play" "I'm the greatest of all time" I could rant on this for hours so to quote Uncommon Imma hold up here lol
Jordan came to the Wizards to sell tickets. He didn't care about winning. It did hurt his numbers though. Take away his Wizards years, his points per game in regular season is 34 I think.
I don't think longevity should be held against LeBron *if* (and that's a big if) he focused on mentoring and genuinely helping his teammates improve. But if he's just trying to be the main offensive option with a max contract, then it's a different story. At this point, LeBron, you've been in the league since '03-do you want to chase the bag or leave a truly impactful legacy? Because at this stage, it's hard to do both. And the west is booting you out in the first round so it’s obvious you can’t do both.
Loved the reaction, man! Always love hearing your feedback thrown in the mix.
This video TRIGGERED people, my God 🤣 I’m not totally surprised, because when you question the legitimacy of someone’s greatest claim to fame, it gonna tend to upset people. Lol.
Again, I just think going out on a high note is what’s ideal from a legacy standpoint, and the longer you play in your “father time” phase, the more people start to remember THAT instead of the peak moments.
What's up Jonny! Good to see ya man. Another great vid here my friend. I agree with you though. I think with Lebron still chasing those 6 rings it's gonna be a bad look way for him to fade out instead of him walking away. I think probably after winning his last ring that would've been a good time to dip. But instead I think he might really play at least 2 more seasons lol. He just won't stop 😆
@@TheRealMindCrime, there's no way he gets to 6 rings.
Also, just explained a bronhead on IG what recency bias is and why it's the whole reason he thinks Leflop is the GOAT.
Already believed Jonny is the best in the business. Seiing him reply to this video within a couple of hours of this being posted, I love it. One of the last real ones out there. I would love to see the 2 of you work on something together.
His whole career has been overrated af!! Be glad when he retires!! Getting rid of him will be the greatest day in basketball history!!!😎
@jonnyarnett "This video triggered people"... Correction sir, this video triggered LeBronze and his army of sock puppet accounts he uses to try to hijack online thread narratives.
Michael Air Jordan is better than LeBron James
Agreed. I'll add Magic, Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, and Kobe were better than LeBron
@@JoeKen3imagine the 90’s game Lebron doing his lays against ewing, rodman, robinson , shaq in the paint. It would never work. He plays kids now with kids rules!!you can’t play defense anymore these days!
@@keithkool8308 plus he's the King of Flops! 😊
Steph Curry is 4-2 in the finals during LeBron’s super team escapade.
@@1n_motionexactly so by brontard logic why arent we talking about steph
LeBron is the king of
Media they talk about him non stop.
For the algorithm.😂
Right but the stalkers blame him and not the media. Be mad at them.
I think it’s becoming clearer and clearer that Lebron’s longevity is due to PEDs. Even so, the longer he plays without winning the more it proves he doesn’t play a winning style of basketball
And that he doesn't care about winning.
He cares about winning .. as long as he gets the credit, and losing is never his fault.
A pro athlete who was busted for using PEDs literally came out a few months ago and said that he knows with absolute certainty that LeBron is on the juice because he literally gets his gear from the same person. Of course Klutch had to reach into their very deep pockets to shut everyone up and nobody talked about it...
Exactly because winning 4 rings with that playing style is a complete failure🙄🤷♂️
@@ToddandRaquiForrestyour comment is facts I remember how he iced AD out offensively when AD was the finals mvp after 2 games. At the end of game 4 when the lakers won you can see the look on AD’s face he looked enraged 😂
In an episode of open court Steve Kerr was talking about fans heckling players and he related one from his San Antonio days with Kevin Willis, who was late in his career, evidently a fan says "Hey Willis, are you single? My grandma kinda likes you" 😅 🤣
lol!!!!!
I think lebron is on the juice. Hes had the most minutes of all time. This is not normal. He can still get up and is athletic. This is not normal at all. He recovers fast when he gets hurt which is very sus. After i heard the allegations and the owner of those supplements said lebron has alot of red flags. I think hes had benefits becuase of the Era also.
How many games has he missed?
He runs 35 percent in a game. Slows the game up and stands still on defense. Must be bad juice tho!!
@@vinrock3918a lot. Mostly due to load management. He's been doing that since Miami.
@@keithkool8308 There’s only so much juice can do, when you’re old and never had the greatest gas tank to begin with.
@@stevonopolous4875Exactly and even TRT can help when it brings you back to your early 20’s testosterone levels. Even a little higher.
If we consider the fact he gets bailed out by the ref's 3-4 times a game and never gets called for travelling his points per game would truly be hovering around the 18-19 pt mark instead of 25 points
Probably lower than that!
@@davidknowles605 MJ was averaging 29 ppg for the 10 games prior to his injury, and 26 for most of the season.
Only 3 to 4?
I‘m not a LeBron fan but i could argue for him that if he wasn‘t a poor free throw shooter for an all time great then he would have more points scored and a higher PPG average.
Plus the league not going small would have more big bodies like the ones that stopped him from winning, like dwight, chandler, even bogut from getting freebies at the rim. His fg% and scoring goes lower. Just like every other aged great had to contend with in the past.
I too find it Hella obnoxious when he does the crown malarkey.
glad it's not just me! lol
Imagine playing for 20+ Seasons and only winning 4 chips. That math is terrible lol
You goy to do that when you Chace the ghost of the goat
Its not about winning nomore in this era!!!! Kids and tv just like stats!!!
@@keithkool8308jordan never won w/o pipen nor Phil Jackson so hes lost 7 seasons. Lebron has won 4 with young and up and coming coaches and there's never been a pipeneque player that stood by him for all of his victories.
@@chrisbenson1800 are you a kid or what 😂😂. MJ was MJ from the start and got pippen that’s right, look what pips average was joining the bulls?? Yep he got better due practice together!! Lebron didn’t win nothing either for how many years?? and couldn’t not make 1 teammate better to win a chip!! Instead of competing against his competition he joined his competition for not 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 chips with the heat?? Could not even make a 3 peat because he chokes in the 4th quarters and got shot down by Jason terry !! Even got saved by Ray allen and Kyrie or don’t you remember that!! Lebron never made a game winning shot in the Finals! NEVER!! He benefits from the rules and teamjumps and still underachieved as a winner !!
He doesn’t have the fundamentals of the game ( travels ALOT, carries the ball, lack of footwork and most of his points are same lays and right hand dunks in open lanes because nobody can play solid defense anymore or its a whistle!!
The nba now is the softest era ever!! European players dominate now in the NBA why’s that?? Because it’s way easier to score now. No double or triple teaming a player from scoring and sure not Lebron J. They let him shoot his Bricks!! The man shoots 4 times as much 3 point shots as MJ and is slightly better, normally if you shoot more you get better at it right, he still plays the same style of bball never adjusted his game! He’s not even top 5!!! And Lebron fans are the only fans celebrating making the finals and losing them .
The only player that made a dynasty into a circus 🎪!! The only player that made flopping and loadmanagment great in this era, the only player that has excuses for everything, and no other player gets credit for saving his bumbum!!
Funny how LeFraud’s fans keep rehashing the 4-6 (10 total) is better than 6-0 (6 total). Jordan only played 15 years while LeBrick is still working his ass to convince everyone he is the GOAT. Proclaiming yourself as the GOAT is just so pitiful to hear in the sports industry.
I've seen players play for a long time BUT LeFraud wore out his welcome a long time ago. Its clearly obvious he is playing for stats and unearned/meaningless accolades. Still chasing the ghost from Chicago. Yes, I believe he is on something, thats even more obvious when you know what to look for.
Has he been staying at your house? No he hasn't. So he's not overstaying his welcome. He's an entertainer. Deal with it. And stop being a hater. You add nothing to this topic but your own insecurities. You are too involved in a sport that's meant to be ingested for fun. Stop letting the media control how you react to the world.
@@buckiszDid someone say something!?! Oh...so you're just another fangirl, got it!! Do me a favor, go find your father and get that much needed hug, you conduct yourself like female, you must have been raised by a single mother.
@@allpraisestothemosthigh9418 Stop the madness. You are no comedian. Are you triggered? It's my take. But you reply like a child. You call a person you know nothing about names (james). You take this topic to serious when there are a lot of other thing to provide your energy to that's more pressing. Think about.
@@buckisz people are entitled to their own opinions. I think thou dost protest too much,Sir............the human body simply doesnt work this well,for this long.........without that player being on the juice. Lebron is making it obvious. Actually it was obvious lebron was Juicing from the beggining of the 2015 season.
@@jonthomson9262what proof do you have but your feelings ma'am?
And this season will be the triple crown. Turnovers, Shots Attempted, and Shots missed. LeBron will stop at 23yrs.
And flops. Don’t forget the flops.
@christianpaul-cp6746 oh yes, he is the flop king.
If he a flop king then Jordan's a flop god😂😂😂
@chrisbenson1800 eh I'd say he's last on that list.
@@chrisbenson1800 You can find countless highlight reels of Lebron flopping. Even him looking at the camera and winking and smiling about it.
Lebron is that kid who played musical chairs, when the music stops he still looking for a chair to sit on.
lol
Exactly 😂😂😂
And is always standing with his thumb in his rectum every turn.
I HATED the self crowning!!! He will never in my top 25 of all time. Thank you to The FanBoys destroy his legacy too 🤣🤣🤣
My stand MJ 1st Kobe 2nd this two will be my 1 and 2 forever
As always Bro you have a great day ahead
That celebration is so damn corny. The one he did before that was sort of corny but sort of cool. But the crown celebration is just ass. It's cheesy
I got kareem second and Kobe third
glad it's not just me!
Regarding the 'Self crowning' celebration/gimmick, I'm pretty sure he's just trying to tell us he just got a new hair graph/scalp implants
MJ owned a part of the Wizards, and him playing was just something to get butt's in the stands. The more money the Wizards made, the more money HE makes.
Been saying this for years and the fact he still was a top 20 player at least was icing on the cake thats some real goat ish
Didn’t he donate his salary those years to victims’ families of 9/11?
@@spacemountain5624 yep he did forgot about that had to google it and his salary was only 1 mil that season that man saved money on the books for a 20/5/5 and sold out every home game this was a nice chunk of change on his way to becoming a billionaire
@@spacemountain5624 yeah he did, in october of that year he donated 100K to the kids of the parents and then 900K for the relief efforts, then he and the majority owner of the wizards, at that time, created a fund to help the other victims and families affected by the attack, think they raised like 3m at that time.
Plus he wasn’t still out there acting like he was the best player on the Court and trying to embarrass ppl… he knew he wasn’t the best player and even said he shouldn’t be the best player on that team. Bcuz the teams is in trouble if they think he can carry tbem to the Playoffs? That’s not him anymore… he was like 39 and respected the other players on that team, and was just grateful that they allowed him to be part of that roster. Even the respect he showed to the Coach was amazing! Truely a man that loved and respected the game of basketball.
I've been saying this for years, but I never thought he would go this long and run them negative stars up as high as he has, it's too wild to ignore at this point 💯
Michael Jordan played his 2 seasons for free with the wizards, his salary went to charities for natural disasters wow, so even Jordan knew the expectations for the wizards, he simply came back for the love of the game and competing, Bron and some fans call rings overrated 🤦 if that's the case why did he leave Cleveland...twice, he could have retired after winning the Cleveland one. Or hung it up there. 🤷
Do yall remember Wilt Chamberlain said to Michael Jordan: “The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules so that you could dominate.” Now imagine what would he say to Lebron James, if he alive today?
Jonny nailed it with the "you can't have it both ways." LeBron fans only ever talk about the good side of LeBron's longevity with his scoring record. Never heard them mention the turnovers. Also, nobody ever said Kareem was the GOAT scorer when he had the most all time points🤷.
100%
Jonny was dead on here
You raised a great point about the size of his head.How much larger does his head have to get before even LeUnclutchBSPN start asking questions?
seriously?? We know what big head mode means....we've seen this before
@@TheRealMindCrime Was the only proof needed for the media to go in on Barry.Hmmm why are they slacking when it comes to Lebelowbooboo?
Did I just hear another Basketball Fan backhand Compliment the Early 2000s Blazers Team? That never happens since Stern stole our Series against LA June 4 2000!! Sacramento is Mentioned but still Heart broken
I like the point you made when you said, you can’t be the greatest of ALL TIME if in your current era you weren’t dominant. Thats a good point
I said that before, I say again. He should finish his career after the bubble ring. Every season afterwards he's winning nothing, his team is winning nothing, they go nowhere. He's diluting his career, empty stats only.
the problem with this goat debate is that people is acting dumb because longevity is not a good thing…if you work a job for 50 years you have longevity at that job but if you hit the lottery for 50 million dollars the first year working at that job the first thing you would have done was QUIT you would STOP WORKING… longevity is why LeBron not a goat he played the most season and scored the most points but don’t have more championships then Kobe or Jordan..he 39 years old firing coaches and trying to get superstar teammates to play with just to try and win more championships..longevity is bad your trying to get something you don’t have yet.
Who wouldn’t keep getting paid 50 million a year when you can still play at an All NBA level and love what you do?
@@jaydot4956 because he ain’t winning championships ..if he loved what he do then he shouldn’t be walking off the court with 5 minutes left in the game cause he losing in the first round of the playoffs🤣🤣🤣..if he love what he do he would of played 82 games more then 1 time… LeBron James is still playing to win championships that is why he getting new Coaches and team mates at 39 years old..
@@TonyMontanaMIYAYO bro I never said he wasn’t trying to win championships, but if you’re still a top player in the league and people are still willing to pay you the max then why not play a little longer? It’s not like Lebron is Vince Carter (hanging on by a thread) getting paid 3 million year trying to win a cheap ring lol.
@@jaydot4956 LeBron James is not a top player in the league that’s 🧢…the last 4 seasons the Lakers been a 9th and 11th seed..his contract is set for him to at least win 6 championships it’s no need to act stupid HE TRYING TO GET SUPERSTARS ON HIS TEAM..longevity is a failure fool if you worked a job for 50 years it’s cause you didn’t have enough money to retire in 30 years…playing professional basketball is work fool
MJ playing for the Wizards was dope.. My little brother was too young to watch MJ in his prime so he got to see him on the Wizards and he didn't miss a game. I enjoyed the games with him💯
The answer is obvious. Duh it hurts his legacy. He's essentially just stat padding now
What the MJ haters fail to mention when comparing LeBron at 38-39 with Wizards MJ is that in the last two seasons the NBA team ppg was 115 points, while during MJ's 2 years in Washington the average NBA team ppg was 96. That's a 19 points difference every game for every team. Yet they shit all over MJs 22 ppg vs LeBron's 27 ppg. Furthermore, the Wizards specific ppg was around 92. A 38-39 year old MJ was scoring 1/4 of his team's points in a supremely defensive-minded league.
Also, you won't ever hear a fan of LBJ mentioning that in all fairness MJ was coming back after 3 years away from the game. No regular training for 3 years, the occasional party, alcohol, cigars, etc, yet he still managed to excel.
This ☝️
Yes I had him in my top 5 before he joined the Lakers. Now he is outside of the top 10.
LeBron is the greatest politician that never ran for any office.
Play - INS
Without them dude would have missed playoffs every year except 2020 in LA.
Gm Bro. Yes the longer he plays it's looking worse. 21 years 5 all defensive 1st teams 6 total. In 11 years consecutively he has no MVP no defensive teams no scoring title. An the fact he has 20 all NBA teams but 6 defense should let anyone know who admits defense is apart of basketball that he doesn't even qualify for a top 5 all-time spot. He piles up numbers based on longevity and he's getting rewarded with all NBA 3rd team selections and a all-star trip with nothing else. Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan only 2 players in NBA History with atleast 10 all NBA teams and 10 all defensive teams how is it the goat isn't anywhere close to this? Maybe because he hasn't actually played defense in years. Bro self researched nba facts you should check his channel out. You'd be surprised just how overrated LeBronze James actually is Bro ✌🏾
That old picture of LBJ reminds me of that joke movie poster of Sylvester Stallone in a wheelchair for "Rambo 25" (or whatever that number was). 🤣
Lmao How does she call herself the goat when it's taken her 53 more seasons to accomplish much less than Jordan?? FOH LeLame.
All of MJ's accomplishments in 13 years, including his 6 titles, can't be compared to if LeBronda still got six in,let's say year 23 or year 24. Simple math. Simple, simple, simple..........dang it! That would literally be twice the career MJ had. Like I said before, is winning 3.5 titles in 21 years goat like? HELL TO THE NO! Or is losing 6 championships goat like? Anyway you slice it.
I love JonnyArtnett's vids. Been watching for a couple of years. When that man tracked down old 87-88 Chicago Bulls games to prove that BS narrative about Jordan's defensive stats (being fake and inflated), he earned my deepest respect. That's dedication and real research. He also admits being a Laker fan and a Kobe fan, but he can be objective.
Objective 😂😂😂
And says hes still a top 10 player
Lost me as soon as he said that
Michael Jordan Wizard years, he played with half a pointer finger... Google a pick of MJs hand with the Wizards. His shooting hand pointer finger is literally a quarter of it gone, after he cut it with the cigar splicer. How he averaged 20 with that is AMAZING! SHEESH! Mike could have joined the 3 peat Lakers, but he was such a competitor that he thought he would lead the Wizards with damn near a half a finger on his shooting hand.
Agreed! Something that rarely gets mentioned is the fact that Jordan actually suffered with tendinitis in his knees since college. The first noticeable effects of his tendinitis occurred in the 1991 Playoff series against the Philadelphia 76ers and persisted throughout the 1991 Finals against the Lakers but MJ struggled significantly with tendinitis throughout the entire 1995/96 season. He also developed tendinitis in his wrist. By the time he got to Washington, he was a shell of his former self, the tendinitis in his knees and wrist was more severe, he was experiencing back spasms and as you mentioned, he had severed the tendon in his right finger on his shooting hand. Yet, despite these injuries, look at his production on the court that first year in Washington, aged 38/39 years old, in a low scoring, tough defensive league...
- 2001/02 (46 games prior to meniscus tear...)
*Averaged 25.1 points per game, 6.2 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 1.5 steals, 0.5 blocks on 42% shooting
- In his last 20 games leading up to the injury...
*Averaged 27.5 points per game, 6.4 rebounds, 5.2 assists, 1.3 steals, 0.5 blocks on 44% shooting
- In his last 10 games leading up to the injury...
*Averaged 29.7 points per game, 6.6 rebounds, 6.1 assists, 1.2 steals, 0.3 blocks on 47% shooting
He turned one of the worst teams in the league into a Playoff contender and was in contention for MVP, prior to his meniscus tear. He also significantly impacted the team defensively, the year prior to MJ's arrival, Washington were the 2nd worst defensive team in the league, following Jordan's arrival they were the 6th best defensive team in the league. The impact he had on such a subpar team, despite playing with significant injuries aged 38-40 years old, was nothing short of incredible. He was past his prime but his skills, fundamentals and IQ were still exceptional and he gave maximum effort on BOTH ends of the court, defensively shutting down players half his age, in their primes, like T-Mac, Vince Carter, Shawn Marion, Peja Stojakovic and Latrell Sprewell.
Jordan played with several injuries throughout his career, both as a Bull and as a Wizard but he rarely talked about those injuries, never wanting his opponents to view him as vulnerable. This quote from MJ in 1996 shows his unmatched competitive mindset...
"What I try to do is focus on the moment, the situation at hand. Instead of allowing myself to think about pain, I try to concentrate on the value of my skills to this team. Once I'm out there, I just go at it. If it hurts too much to go left or bend over, then I don't do it. I don't want to come out looking hurt. They see you bleed, they go for more blood."
@theresak2024 you are absolutely on point! MJ literally came back to see how much he still had in the tank. He's just not the guy to tell himself let me go join Phil, Kobe amd Shaq and win 3 more rings. He told himself I will beat Phil, Kobe, and Shaq.
I had LeBron in the 4-6 range after his second stint in Cleveland. Honestly, I've dropped him one to two spots a year as a Laker. I currently have him 16th.
The longevity is dropping his percentage of losing seasons compared to rings. Outside of that he is truly trying to set the scoring and other numbers as high as he can.
I didn't think coming back to the wizards hurt MJs legacy narratively AT ALL. I think it actually helped. It helped humanize him. It helped Revere him to the younger players.
I think it hurt him statistically. His PPG, FG% etc. A few stats took a minor dip. In paper in the Internet argument would look a little better.
I think it’s a good thing cus people love to discredit Jordan because of “illegal defense” rules, but when he came back and averaged 26 before the injuries. I like that he played because it proved he’d be well under any type of defense
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@@TheRealMindCrime any time friendo
I agree with you and Johnny: The Ratio of what a player has accomplished compared to how long that player played in the League/ is what I look at as greatness & Dominance. I look at Per Game & Per Year to determine how great a player really is or was.
All of Lebron Stats Averages per game and per year in every statistical Categories, he is not even top 15. not in assist, not in blocks, not in rebounds, not in steals and only 7th points per game per average of all-time.
This is just me; I think Jordan came back because somebody challenged him, probably saying that he couldn't score at a high level 30 to 40 point a game at his age, which he did/ Jordan takes challenges personally/ Tom brady wanted to pass Jordan in championship that's why He continue to play until he passed Jordan with 7 championships. That's crazy when another player in another sport has his eye on you in competition.
Even if Lebron wins 1 more championship or 1 more Reg. Sea. MVP or 1 more Final MVP: Lebron then would have: 5/5/5 it still will not be enough to pass Jordan because Jordan still has 6 rings, 6 Finals and 5 Reg. Sea. MVP they only would be tied for the Reg. Sea. MVP or if he gets another All-Star MVP which the NBA will fix it so they can give it to Lebron, just like they did for the Olympics or Kutch Sports with Rich Paul will be calling voters to vote for Lebron because they tried to do that in the Reg. Sea. of 2023 instead of giving to Nikola Jokic. They will pull something to try to give it to Lebron and Lebron just might pay under the table to get it.
But the Ratio will not be 4 of 21 it becomes 5 of 22 what's the difference it still equals out the same = 17 years apart/ then Lebron fans will try to compare awards and accomplishments that did not exist in Jordan Era: like: the (In season cup tourn. trophy & MVP trophy, Olympic All-Star 5: don't know what that is & Olympic MVP just to make his resume longer. No telling what the NBA will come up with: Lebron will probably tell the Lakers do a ring of honor award ceremony like they did for the bulls.
And how Lebron and his camp: including Nick Wright go about accomplishing that for Lebron goes against his Goat argument which makes it worse and it's not valid.
Perfect way to end the vídeo. "How can you be the greatest if didn't even dominate your era?"
Right? Its so simple to me.
It's not longevity, it's his narcissism and ring chasing, among other things, that's making him a laughing stock. He's hanging around to stat pad and collect a paycheck.
It's not his longetivity hurting his legacy, it's just the entire core of his being as a person and athlete.
Lol fair
His missed shots could lay down the foundation for a solid building. That’s what gets me. His shooting can look atrocious. He also likes to fadeaway from littler defenders. His ‘game’ is bulldozing and charging the lane. Basically, put him on the line and the GOAT debate starts to crumble. That’s what hurt Magic early but he became a better shooter.
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How can you be the GOAT when you didn't even dominant your time........BARS!!!
lol
Most NBA players could play in the League for 30-35 years if they were allowed to skip the 2nd game in a back-to-back, load manage, and not play any defense in the games they did play. Most retired NBA players could play in an Adult Mens League where they only play 20-30 games, and the retired NBA player would DOMINATE. One of the main reasons they retired or were forced to retire is because they cannot complete at the highest level for 82-100 games a year, physically.
You'd think itd be common sense that if Worker A completes just as much as Worker B in less time he'd be the better/more efficient worker 🤷🏿♂️
Basic common sense right?
The wizards helped jordans legacy he embraced to next generation
I agree. He taught them and competed against them. It was a perfect sendoff
When the stats page was show, we all forget that the older players came from a league period where scoring was harder and that they were transiting into or are role-players allowing room for the next to grow. And look at the MPG, every but James plays about 10-16mins, where James is "playing" 35. I would expect someone playing the whole game to continue to have high number versus someone playing 1/3 as many minutes. Then when I look at PPG/MPG, LBJ is only 2 to 3 times better than these players without having the health issues or age(looking at Parrish who was 43 during that season and is quite comparable to LBJ in production). Parrish was a reserve player whereas LBJ is starter.
agreed
LeStatPad - Greatest Stat Padder of All Time. Stat-padding his way to the NBA's top 20 through playing the longest for his 'own benefits'.
LeLongevity is hurting his LeGacy
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Ima Bron fan. Just like how y’all love watching MJ even on the Wizards I enjoy watching Lebron. Once he’s gone that’s it so ima enjoy it while he’s here. Hope he plays another 5 years. He getting at least one more ring lol
What are you talking about? The vast majority didn't want MJ to come back with Washington. Hell, David Stern didn't want him to come back back then lol. Sure he gave us some good vintage MJ moments from time to time but his knees were shot. It wasn't nearly as enjoyable. The majority believed 98 was the perfect storybook ending. Most of us were sort of upset he came back lol.
@@trowabarton321 As a fan I’m glad he’s still playing because when I’m 45 Ima be wishish I can watch him play again. So why not enjoy it while I can
I definitely don't feel the same way but I respect it. He's your favorite player.
Longevity doesn't hurt what he already accomplished, but it has given more opportunity for the silliness surrounding him to continue and get worse. From allowing him to influence the drafting of his son, hiring a coach with no experience that he coincidentally is friends with, giving longevity stats value, over peak stats, awards he clearly doesn't deserve, all waters down his legacy.
Curry uses it too. The hyper-baric chamber allows all your senses to relax, as far as I know. ❤
that's so cool. I want one
AOH, said-"i rather see players run themselves to the ground, than to half ass it rest of his career, like LeBron"
Good morning my dude! Stay cool it's going to be 110 today!😢
good morning Aaron! Yeah it was a hot one today lol
If peds, all the sports science, and supplements were available back in the day, the argument "new generation is more athletic would go out the window".
Agreed
@TheRealMindCrime Yeah, it's wild to me. Imagine Jordan's increased athleticism and career longevity if he was juicing? Hell, even Kobe's. However, I feel like that's why a lot of the old school ballers, and especially Jordan and Kobe, had such mastery of the fundamentals and had a very well rounded and polished game-- even just their jab step had so much depth to it. They'd sell a jab step so well and put their entire body language and movement into the fake that it made it so they didn't need as much athletic ability to blow past a defender-- and it was like this for their entire moveset, more so as they got older because it forced them to refine their moves and resort to using more efficient ones. But not Lebalco. His game lacks the refinery, all of his moves lack the detail the greats had and paid attention to because he always relied on his superior physique and athletism to get his way. And even as he ages, he refuses to finally adapt and add to his moveset and polish his footwork/fundamentals, which is why he still has no bag 20+ years into his career. He just injects more peds up his ass so he can continue running around "full head of steam" flopping and flailing, throwing powder up in the air and putting on self appointed imaginary crowns. It's so cringe. No wonder KD went to goldenstate-- took the binky right out of LeBaby's mouth and denied him a ring or 2 that he wouldn't deserve. Many people hate on KD for that, but not me, I loved it. Gave LeRingChaser a taste of his own medicine.
Absolutely especially since they keep giving him undeserved awards just so he stays around.
Heck yeah ☕ time
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The only thing that bothered me about Jordan's days as a Wizard. Haters use that period of his career to hate on Jordan. Because you can't say anything about him in a Bull's jersey.
35 minutes per game is insane in your 21st season. I could see a great shooter playing well at that age getting 17ppg but the minutes per game are absolutely wild. No player is gonna play enough to average 25 in year 21. That is something that will never be investigated but should be
I just turned 57 and I'm barely a fraction of the person I was in my early 20s.
That chamber looked like something you would put a clone in not a human being😂😂😂
It’s his main case he has.
Interesting to see how many all defensive teams Lebron has missed in his long career
I have been saying for a while now that when LeBalco finally retires he will shortly thereafter be held in the same regard as Lance Armstrong.
If you noticed, he didn't show a total of Lebron James games played in the 23-24 season. Hmmm..i wonder why? It's probably because Lebron is actually very fragile and just a strong gust of wind blowing his direction will cause him to sit out a game or two.
Lebron actually stepped it up last year to 71 played games just becaues the new rules to not give players who missed a bunch of games rewards like NBA all teams etc. The previous year when this new rule wasn't enacted yet he only played 55 games lol
Posting before watching, yes it 100% is. He's not playing as well as he once did. His lack of defense is increasingly becoming a stain on his legacy, as is him being the all time leader in turnovers and soon to be all time leader in missed shots.
The longevity definitely hurts Lebron. History belongs to the victors and also how it goes down. The 3 points that Jonny brings up with Lebron superteaming, winning 4 titles in 20 season, and other contenders winning on his watch are key factors that shows how this is hurting his legacy
agreed
I got to give those more credit who played 21+ years in the NBA and played college ball. Those college years but mileage on them legs as well.
LeBron: I play for the name on the back not the logo on the front.
Also i find it funny that LeBron only has 1 season where he played all 82 games (Last year in CLE before leaving for LAL)
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Definitely hurting his legacy because he’s has accomplished less were it counts most.
Agreed
The first big introduction of cheating in sports for me was Brady Anderson. He was the Orioles lead off batter - a fast, quick, on base hitter who played left field. He was stealing bases, robbing hits in the outfield. All of a sudden in year 9 (while in his 30's), he shows up bigger, and hits 50 homeruns. Through his 15 year career he never came close to 50 before or after that. I think his 2nd most was 24 in a season and that was a lot for him. I still don't know if he did, but it's wild that he did that but couldn't hit even half that any other year. All of the accusations that came at him was the first I was really introduced to guys potentially cheating at that level.
22:45 Looks like a sleeping tent/bag scam haha! 😄
I feel like the 2010s were shared in dominance from Steph and lebron
Which is more annoying? LeDouche self-crowning or the stupid shoulder roll thing he does?
Yes.
The shoulder roll.
yes
The MVP award was already a forgone conclusion when Lebron carried the flag in the opening ceremony
🫡Sup, I've been a competitive athletic guy for over 4 decades now and nowhere in any sport is 4 for 21 GOAT anything. 4 Championships.....I have to point to Championship because he has dismantled, destroyed, Hof'er-teamed up, and exhausted all resources from multiple franchises to obviously win Championships. Only 4. So, keep playing LeIamTheGoat, the numbers only get worse because once he does retire the only thing left is his numbers and they don't = GOAT 🐐
Agreed!!!
I must correct you, KD is 7th overall but top USA scorer. Its stupid media narrative, top scorer have 1000 points, KD 500 :D
Btw I love your content, keep up a great work :)
ahhh thank you!
He also leads the league in P. Diddy party’s!!!!!
When Kobe was the all time leader in missed shots all of his points were in the perimeter.
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Jordan's Wizards years were basically icing. Even a Portland Scottie was still doing moves that made me wow.
LeBron's Laker years, however, are all riddled with politics; pushing through the bubble season, the ist, and now Bronny and JJ. They're making it unbearable to watch.
lebroooom needs to keep playing to keep stacking his stats because he has no other argument for the "goat" debate (that he insanely needs for his ego) aside from that
I take solace in the fact that Lbum will always hold the records for most turnovers and missed shots
lol yeah me too honestly
Lebron is Stephen from the movie Dejango.
He loves Candyland more than any player in the history of professional sports.
Try and debunk what I just said !!!
I agree I do think his longevity is hurting his legacy. It really just comes off as Lebron just wants to do as much as possible to make MJ irrelevant even though that will never happen. I believe a lot of his fans make his longevity the deciding factor of him being the goat, but it’s just irrelevant stuff. You can’t just replace nor erase the results that he has attached to his career. It will never be as star-studded as MJ’s ever had a lot of people just have a big issue understanding that.
agreed! He's not just playing out his career, he's still chasing
Love ur stuff, but if I had to make a point it’s that u have an international audience (actually I’d love to know the international %) and we don’t always understand NFL or baseball or hockey etc. you did eventually tie it to Lebron but yeah, pls remember that. Still think u rule DONT stress. No worries 👍
Hey good point! I just checked and its 67% united states viewers. I had no idea how many international viewers i had to you mentioned this lol. Thank you.
For the 21 years Karl Malone had all but one player behind him on the scoring list, and do you know why we never, ever, heard anyone lobby on his behalf and claim he was the second best player of all time? Because all though its an outstanding achievement, worthy of recognition, its a testament to longevity. He was way better than most, but he wasn't "the guy". I don't have the words to properly describe how great you must be to nearly be that guy and maintain it for 20 years. But i do know its not the same as actually being the guy. This was so obvious to basketball lovers no one talked about the disrespect of Karl Molone. He wasn't Larry, Magic, or Michael. He nearly was, and did it for longer.
Goat is about dominance not longevity. One fact is that Curry has the same numbers of rings in Lebron’s era says a lot.
20:30 Michael Jordan came back also because the ratings was down and David Stern begged him to come back. Jordan wanted to retire on the court and not in a lockout press conference like he did in January of 1999. He was also promised ownership stake in the Wizards by then Wizards owner Abe Pollin.
And he held his own against the likes of Kobe Bryant, Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson, etc
I am always skeptical of guys doing unheard of things at advanced ages I just always assume they're enhanced combine that with no real plan that LeBalco has that is available to others, even Brady has the TB12 method. LeBron fans never talked about Malone or anyone else in the top 5 in most points until LeBron got to the top. If LeBron would shut up and stop crowning himself I would've been fine with him it's the non-stop praise and tearing down of everyone before him that annoys me. It really struck me watching Kobe doing work the amount of times Kobe said "it's my fault, I messed that up, I know better" Jordan had an AD where he talked about his failures LeBron and unklutch are the exact opposite "I always make the right play" "I'm the greatest of all time" I could rant on this for hours so to quote Uncommon Imma hold up here lol
lol! shout out to Uncommon!
I heard somebody challenged him at a pick up game that he couldn’t come back. I’d like to look it up. ❤😊
Jordan came to the Wizards to sell tickets. He didn't care about winning. It did hurt his numbers though. Take away his Wizards years, his points per game in regular season is 34 I think.
The unmemorable seasons deduct from legacy. Most extreme example is Moses Malone.
I don't think longevity should be held against LeBron *if* (and that's a big if) he focused on mentoring and genuinely helping his teammates improve. But if he's just trying to be the main offensive option with a max contract, then it's a different story. At this point, LeBron, you've been in the league since '03-do you want to chase the bag or leave a truly impactful legacy? Because at this stage, it's hard to do both. And the west is booting you out in the first round so it’s obvious you can’t do both.
You don't want those negative records period. And he has A LOT of them.