Hey my Man. I am never aware of reaction videos to my episodes. Your video was just shown to me with the note, that I should watch it. Anyway, first of all thanks for your kind words. I am very happy when my show got you some joy. This is the reason why I am still doing this. Concerning Lebron... I try to stay away from negativity. If I talk about negative stuff I always try to stay respectful. Lebron is one of the greatest, but for me he is lacking too many Goat Qualities. He can still be proud of a great career, but goats are on a different level... And to you, keep going with your show. I wish you all the best my friend
I'm speechless! I can't believe you watched my reaction to your vid. I'm honored sir. I love the positive tone of your videos. I hope you always stay that way. I've been watching your content for so many years and I must thank you for showing me a world of basketball lovers on RUclips. Keep spreading that love for the game my friend. Also, thank you so much for the kind words. I'll keep going. ✊️
If you ever played ball with someone who literally bulldozes you, travels, carries, and complains about every little thing... That's what you have with LeBron.
Thank you! So many are missing this. They compare it to Thanasis and it’s so wrong. Giannis is fulfilling his brother’s dream; LeBron is fulfilling his own dream. Going into the NBA unprepared will turn Bronny into a bust and that’s not fair to him. He’s messing with his kids psyche to stroke his own ego.
@@dta1329 I agree,The Thanasis and Bronny situation are completely different. Thanasis can handle playing in the league because he's shown he can and he's a 31 year old guy That has paid his dues playing in the g- league and Bronny hasn't played that much in college so a lot of people don't think he's ready for the NBA and should've stayed in college to get more playing time and experience. I just hope that this decision that he's being pushed into by his father won't destroy his confidence as a basketball player.
Even his son said in an interview that he doesn't really enthusiastic about playing with his dad, it's his dad LBJ wanted to play with him. That will tell you something, it's really all about him and him only.
@@Jimmy-ik2kc First of all Thanassis is a MUCH BETTER player than Bronny... Thanassis wouldn't be scoring 3ppg against college kids... Thanassis has played in the Euroleague and was one of the best defense/energy guys in the league there... Thanassis has guarded 18 year old Luka Doncic with decent success in the Euroleague... the same kid that came into the NBA and was an instant 20-25 points a night... Sorry but Bronny is a 0ppg player in the NBA... he is a mediocre af college kid... one of those that not only not make it to the NBA but barely make a low end pro league in the world and most probably they get a 9-5 job and a college degree cause he's not pro basketball material... all he has is a super famous daddy who wants to put him in the league by force... also Bronny is 6'1"-6'2" with mediocre ball handling and barely a jump shot... what NBA team in their own mind would play this kid even for 5 seconds if his daddy wasn't LeDiva? Sorry but comparing Bronny to Thanassis is a HUGE insult to Thanassis who has played at a much higher level than most college kids will dream of playing... people need to realize that out of the hundreds and hundreds of college basketball players every year only about 10-20 have even a decent career in the NBA... and Bronny isn't even top 100 in this year's college crop...
It’s why the media is already starting to turn on him. Within 2 years of his retirement the steroid abuse will come to light. Expect to see more Ant Man “face of the NBA” comments as the league tries to separate from the LeBalco era.
Eh, he did about a year before Kobe died. Folks went after him, even those that defended him. After he died, though, he went overdrive with it and now he has more media control. So there isn't as much push back from the media. But the fans are pushing back.
Oh no, you wrong man! LeBron said "that right there made me the Goat " in 2016. Kobe was alive. Stop it! You might not like LeBron, so what, who cares. But don't lie for nothing. LeBron still the Goat of this Era until he retires. Thats all that matter.
Does this look like a Top-5 player??? - LeBron James: 2019 -> FAILED to make the NBA Playoffs, 2020 -> Asterisk BUBBLE Consolation Prize, 2021 -> LOST in the 1st Round, 2022 FAILED to make even the NBA PLAY-IN Tournament👀😅, 2023 SWEPT 4-0 in the Western Conference Finals, and 2024 Gentlemen’s SWEEP 4-1 in the 1st Round. Now we see why LeBron James went to 8 straight NBA Finals. Michael Jordan locked the GOAT Position at #1. Now ranking Kareem, Magic, Kobe, and Bird ahead of LeBron James sounds very logical. And yes, the basketball world is starting to rank Tim Duncan over LeBron James as well.🔥
@Jimmy-ik2kc if Joker wins it all this year, I think you can make a case that joker is knocking on a spot ahead of LeBron. 2 rings with no all star team mates? Bird is definitely above him, I have Bird equal first with Michael - I can back this up, but for sure beating the Showtime even once with his lineup puts him there, you think anyone would remember McHale if Bird didn't carry him to the promised land 3 times? Magic/Kareem easy 3/4, I can go either way on those two in ordering. Kobe is leagues above LeBron, I have him at 5, but wouldn't complain about anyone placing him as high as 3. Before you even *start* looking, LeBron can't be top 5. Duncan, Wilt, Bill, I can see LeBron sitting about 11 objectively, especially when leadership is considered...
It's understandable for Lebron to be scared of a guy with a mind like Kobe. I mean wow, "I'll push myself to exhaustion", that is powerful and frightening. What a beast.
@casual35yeah Jordan and kobe were way more serious than LeBron. Both way more clutch also. I'd rather have Reggie miller take my last shot then lebron.
The media did a hell of a job "selling" the narrative that LeBron is part of a conversation he has no business being in, and comparing him to MJ is absolutely laughable. I still don’t understand how they’ve managed to trick so many people who should know better because they have seen better players live at their best.
They're tricking this generation because anyone that watched Jordan ,Kobe and Bron play live knows that Bron has no business being compared to Jordan . Bron isn't better than Kobe . Jordan is the goat ,period.
He fails the eye test He can’t create space unless he pushes people outta the way Basic handles No pull up jumper of the dribble Can’t peel around a screen for a jumper Mediocre jump shot He should get Homer Simpson’s MR PLOW jacket because that’s all he’s good at
@@DouglasFalcon-sd3rcRussell dominated the Game with his Elite Defensive Abilities. Oh, and the FACT that Russell played a Position where it wasn't necessary for him to have the Elite Abilities of a Perimeter Player. LeBron has the Ball all of the time. Don't let facts get in the way of a great Hater Take though.
LeBron has talent but no soul. He doesn't want the responsibility of team play and his poor play. He's an actor on the court and not a BB player! Second rated player with a 'give up attitude!!! Blame game to the MAX!!!
I don't think he was that talented . He had the strength and speed to bully himself against smaller players to the rim but he has no skills(no bag) and you can't depend on him in the clutch time to knock down a mid-range shot, a 3 pointer or to make crucial free throws when needed. We know he will blame everyone else when they lose but take all the credit when the team wins like he played by himself.
@@jasonpeng6767 The ego and lack of humility is coming from the narcissist part of his brain. I don't think that he can help himself. Does Bron remind you of another narcissist that is on trial now? They both have the same characteristics....Large egos, never accept accountability and will blame someone else in a heartbeat.
@@jasonpeng6767 I agree,That's the thing ,these guys know if they don't agree with him they won't have jobs and that's some of the worst people to have to depend on for your livelihood.
"I'm not top 5? I am the Greatest of all time....Just as JJ, just ask Reggie uh....He was knocking me but I told him I was gonna cut his pay, so he backtracked....He says I'm the GOAT again.... Somebody told me they think I am a loser they said I'm the GLOAT not sure what the L is for....But they said I'm the GLOAT because I got swept in the playoffs, then the next season nearly got swept by the same team in the first round, ot one game though, check my stats, I'm the greatest of all time....I always make the right play.... Sometimes the right play is fumbling the ball out of bounds in the final seconds or missing a wide open shot...." 🤣😂🤣 GLOAT Greatest Loser Of All Time LeBron wouldn't be able to figure out what the L was for, 🤣😂🤣
Lebrony u ok up there? Lol yea no he ain't top 10 maybe 15 to 20 maybe but I rank guys that won less the right way above him even. Idk y he ever opened his mouth jus ridonkculous lol
His rightful place on the all time greatest list is right at 10th. Those 6 finals losses and flopping/quitting on his team for 20 YEARS just can NOT be overlooked 💯
I caught that BTM video the other day, i could feel Shaun David's frustration and it seems like he did a great job of getting his points across while keeping it professional. I noticed i wasnt subbed to your channel so i just subscribed. Congratulations on the growing channel man
Thank you! I watched a btm vid about a year ago where he was saying why he can't consider Lebron the goat. I figured he was on his way to this conclusion of not top 5 but I never thought he'd do a video on it. BTM is an OG in youtube basketball. Thanks for rhe sub!
To me as a father and coach: the most crazy thing about LBJ is that he is forcing his child witj a heart atack to go for the best leauge even if he is not talented at all. Imagine your Kid would have a stroke would you want him to give everything to join your team on the most exhausting level of sports ???
I agree. It disgusts me. I'd be encouraging him to find another path because no matter what happens the family has plenty of wealth. I hope Bronny stays healthy.
When i watch jordan, or kobe heighlights, it makes me want to grab a ball, go out to a hoop and start practicing my footwork/fadeaways. I watch lebron im like 🫥
BTM is my first non traditional NBA source that I trust 100 percent. I've seen this vid already. Lebron has never been in my top five. He never passed magic Bird Kobe or Duncan to say the least
I'm a 100% Disabled Combat Infantry Veteran and I take ZERO offense to any level of sports when they say they went to war with their brothers!!! It's the same mentality! It's just you, your team, against them... Same concept!
Every time I see LeBron now I think of the old Kenny Roger's hit song " you got to know when hold em" "Know when to fold em" " know when to walk away " " know when to RUN" ! I'm just saying 🤷
Lebron is barely top 5 after angry old hoops fan i cant stop it either every time im like who is he guarding where is lebron and that flop its so funny at how embarrassing it is i laugh at it every time
Damn! BTM and TheRealMindCrime, you guys are two of my favorite channels that cover basketball. Plus, the fact that you threw an AOH clip in there, this is awesome to see. Keep up the good work.
Once the PEDs are confirmed, I don't see him ranking high at all, or maybe even ranking. He was never top 5, people just got sold on #2 through repetition. Edit: I'm surprised your channel name has no "dragon" or draconic element to it given your symbol.
They don’t notice he does these things because they don’t watch the games … they use him in video games and watch espn highlights….which the points was padded at unimportant times in the game …. He does that well …
I finally saw the light and have stopped mainstream media in my house this year, especially in sports and politics. Their agenda is disgusting. I don't see how LeFlopper can even be in the top 10. Thanks for spreading the word and speaking the truth!
Totally agree with you. LeBron's legend is a manufactured one. His feats are mostly deflections for his many, many failures. You've got to be amazed at how we're somehow now supposed to put someone who went to the Finals 10 times and only winning 3.5 times, over someone who's went undefeated in all six of his NBA Finals appearances. That was just disgusting.
top 15 mj kobe bird magic wilt hakeem duncan Curry kareem thomas russel shaq Jokic lebron anyone but kd BTM deserves a HUGE shoutout for that vid! i was pumped when i saw it
Lebron was best in his Era, he never played while Jordan played and kobe was the bridge between Jordan's Era and lebrons era ...people forget kobe was the man the first 6 or 7 years of lebrons career
That ones hard. I feel like kobe was the best the first half of lebrons career and for the second half steph has been the best. There was never an era of lebron dominating. He was losing while everyone else was winning.
Sean David like dude from After Dark I appreciate how REAL YOU KEEP IT!! I love dude from After Dark and yourself because of OBJECTIVITY AND HOW YOU GUYS KEEP IT REAL!! You’re not afraid of LeBron, Klutch or the machine that says you should say “The wrong things according to media” 🙏🙏keep it going bro I’m proud of/respect you
When bron says it's just badketball ,look@AD's face. He looked like ,here we go again and I don't know what he was thinking but I know what I would've been thinking in that moment(man,stop lying): my words.
Jordan definitely is the basketball prototype. Whether it is mental, physical, attitude, leadership, coach able, loyal to teammates, loyal to the city, work ethic, defense minded, killer instinct, closer, shot maker, decision-making etc. Kobe is next and we will see what these new players are made of now that they are seeming to move away from the crybaby fouls.
@@TheRealMindCrimenot even steroids, what about stem cells??? Which is perfectly legal, just a healthy bird is better than steroid juiced up Lebron. Anyday.
Re: donating to charities: for someone with a huge income, donations are a tax deduction which really amounts to allocating money to your chosen causes rather than paying tax (sorry, my internal attorney had to mention this) so for a person with a huge income to donate to charities, it's akin to having the privilege to decide where your tax money goes. Regular folks don't make enough money for this loophole to be doable. So these very public donations aren't as selfless as they sounds. Especially if some of your donations or non-profit deductions are related to things like a Self Glorification Museum and other similar nonsense.
100% I only donate anonymously. If you really care you walk away proud knowing you made a difference. If you advertise it like Lebron then its for both clout and for a tax deduction. Turns out Jordan donated a bunch anonymously and it has only recently come to surface despite him hiding it.
I dislike the guy and what the NBA has become because of him, but being objective he is top15. He is a great player. I accept that he can perhaps even be a top 10 player, not for me but I can see why some people may think that and make some valid points about it. On the other hand is not a top 5 player, and the he is nowhere near to be considered in the Goat conversation.
I firmly believe if he wasn’t crowned the new mj his fans wouldnt be so delusional or biased to what they see and only speak with feelings instead of the facts
I'm Algerian born in 1992. And i confess. After the madness of Jordan popularity around the planet, we here went back to favorite sport which is soccer. And the next guy of whom i heard of from American basketball league, was Steph Curry! The little sneaky sniper got a sudden world popularity! I heard of Lebron next. When he (i mean Kyrie!) won against Curry in 2016! That's how much very little popular that guy is outside USA! People appreciate hustling showmen who do anything to win. He's none. Just a spoiled freak of nature.
Good!!! That just proves that the only reason Lebron is popular here in the states is because of the media constantly pushing him down our throats. Steph should be the face of the league right now.
The first time I saw Lebron do one of his patented, bulldoze to the rim, not finish thru the contact, then stand flatfooted whining at the refs instead of getting back on defense, and then 5 seconds later running down the floor and getting a sneaky chasedown block and the crowd going wild and the television announcers going wild, and then watch him look for the Closeup Camera so i he could make sure his little pose was all lined up....i was fckin nauseated. It was clear from that moment forward what he was: an entertainer who cared more about being treated as the greatest than he did being the greatest
It's the type of legacy a player leaves behind to create a dynasty. I was born in 81 so in my time first names that come to my mind for team legacy are: Lakers - Kareem, Magic, Cooper, Worthy, Rambis, Green, Scott, Divac, Woolridge, Perkins, Thompson, Thomas, Edwards, Ceballos, Van Exel, Miller, Bryant, Horry, Kersey, O'Neal Harper, Rice, Rodman, Rider, Fox, Grant, George, Carter, Malone, Payton, Fisher, Cook, Russell, Sampson, Brown, Green, Medvedenko, Odom, Bynum, Vujacic, Gasol, Ebanks, Walton, Jamison, Nash, Howard, Hill, Henry, Lin, Randle, Brown, Nance Jr, Russell, Ball and Hart. Celtics - Archibald, Bird, Maravich, Maxwell, Carr, McHale, Parish, Henderson, Ford, Robey, Ainge, Buckner, Carlisle, Wedman, Vincent, Walton, Lewis, Paxson, Kite, Sichting, Gamble, Acres, Brown, Pinckney, Pritchard, Robinson, Douglas, Massenburg, Battle, Kleine and McDaniel. Bulls - Jordan, Green, Johnson, Jones, Woolridge, Whatley, Higgins, Dailey, Gervin, Oakley Oldham, Paxson, Banks, Colter, Corzine, Grant, Pippen, Sellers, Cartwright , Vincent, Davis, Nealy, Purdue, Haley, Armstrong, Hodges, King, Williams, Levingston, Courtney, McCray, English, Kerr, King, Kukoc, Longley, Myers, Harper, Simpkins, Wennington, Rodman, Haley, Salley, Edwards, Caffey and kleine. And for legacy and dynasty for players off the top of my head are: Bill Russell (11 ALL with Celtics consecutive from 59-66), K C Jones (9 ALL with Celtics consecutive from 59-66), Robert Horry (7 two with Rockets [94. & 95], three with LA [00-02] and two with Spurs), Bob Cousy (6 ALL with Celtics consecutive from 59-63), Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (6 one with Bucks, five with LA [87-88]), MJ and Pippen (6 ALL with Bulls 91/92/93 & 96/97/98), Micheal Cooper and Magic Johnson (5 ALL with LA), Dennis Rodman (5 two with Detroit, three with Bulls), Ron Harper (5 three with Bulls, 2 with LA), Steve Kerr (5 three with Bulls, two withs Sours), Kobe Bryant (5 all with LA consecutive from 2000-2002), Tim Duncan (5 ALL with Spurs), Robert Parish (4 three with Celtics, one with Bulls), Will Perdue (4 three with Bulls, one with Spurs), Horace Grant (4 three with Bulls, one with LA), Shaquille O'Neal (4 three with LA, one with Heat), Manu Ginóbili and Tony Parker (4 ALL with Spurs), Lebron James (4 two with Heat, one with Cavaliers, one with LA), Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green and Andre Iguodala (4 ALL with Warriors), Larry Bird and Kevin McHale (3 ALL with Celtics), Byron Scott and James Worthy (3 ALL with LA), BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, Stacey King, John Paxson and Scott Williams (3 ALL with Bulls 91/92/93) Sorry want to keep typing but hand is going numb and phone needs the charger I'll come back and edit it sometime see you all next time.
Michael Jordan won 6 titles in 8 seasons, NEVER missing a game! Lebron has played 22 years and played 1 82 game season... The comparison gets disgusting if you think about it. It's absurd to compare this very good nba player to a legend.
People that know basketball, especially those of us that actually saw Jordan and Kobe, and are honest with themselves about what they are seeing, know the truth.
When LBJ has to audacity to say the Miami Heat team he joined doesn't have enough to make it work and win it, while he personally saying " not one, not two, not three, not four ,not five, not six, not seven ", literally proves that he is a total narcissist in heart, and I am sorry that personality will disqualify him from all the good he did because there is a huge chance he did all that for himself, look at what he is doing to his son, Bronny is not ready for the NBA, yet LBJ is forcing that to happen so he can be the first player to play with his son in the same team, another achievement toward his " GOAT " debate narrative, and what will happen to Bronny when LBJ retires? Oh wait he can buy a team and became the GM and give his son a good contract right? LBJ is not just toxic, but a late stage cancer to the NBA right now. " He is killing it " is a fitting way to say it.
You have dived into a solid exposure deeper into the truth level. You've exposed the guy with no holding back. The things I've always felt about the true nature of the fabricated goat. I can't thank you enough.
The fact that people really expect me to not believe my OWN EYES. "He's putting up decent numbers at his age" but at what cost? The position time. The lack of two way motion. The amount of time he needs the ball is a disrespect to a 20 year old. 25 points is not great in this era it's EASY to get that these days with the game as it's played.
The same media that says he’s donating all this money is the same media that tells us that he’s the greatest of all time. I don’t believe anything unless I see it for myself. I’d bet he donates very very little compared to what they say he does.
He's top 20 because his finals losses are Duncan twice, Curry 3 times, and 34 year old Dirk embarrassed him. Never seen MJ embarrassed like that in a finals.
I love the daily vids. Your "smartass" confident tone and approach makes these commentaries entertaining AND I cannot unsee the inferiority of LeChocke already. Now if anyone tells me he is the goat I get into a fit (like Lechoke in 2:16) saying "get the fuck outta here with shit". Second of all, at 16:21 you paused the interview and the frame is unfortunate as hell. Kobe holds back the tears and the rage even before he started speaking. The dedication was IMMENSE, he would NEVER say "it's just basketball". Also also, in the same press conference from where that great quote is, LeChoke was saying something about OTHERS not willing to strive for perfection. After saying that he made a dumbass glance at all the reporters as a cringe inducing seconds passed by.
Yeah that pause at 16:21 shows that pain. But even then he didn't make excuses. Also, thank you. I'm enjoying doing this and learning some stuff along the way as well.
There are debates because the media fed us so much bad info about Lebron for so many years and people fail to distinguish between the best players to play the game and the GOATs. One of the best players to play? Absolutely, you don't stumble randomly to 40k points over 21 years, it's a fact. One of the greatest? Nah, not even top 10. travelling, flopping, complaining, excuses, jumping ships, shift blaming, lack of style on the court, money agenda (hello china vs hong kong), not running back on defense, crying act on the courts, constant request of respect, self coronation (nickname kingjames, how can it be so normalized?), the chosen 1 tattoo. AND RUINING SPACE JAM LEGACY
Just watched the vid...Bro, you are %100 right...Keep the good work up...He (Bron) has no heart, doesn't take accountability for anything, bails when shit doesn't go his way, flops, whines, play absolutely no D and is just about padding his stats now.
Yeah, the media cant cover up the BS at this point anymore. Everyone, even his biggest supporters are seeing the guy for what he truly is. It takes more than longevity stats to be one of the greatest.
I am just happy mainstream media is finally starting to shift. So many good young players in the league to focus on instead of pretending lebron is really some king lol
No player that is known for losing should be sniffing the top five in anyone's list. 4-6 in the finals. Has the record for most games lost in the finals in NBA history. While playing most of his career in the weak East and with super team after superteam. Also getting swept in the finals TWICE! And 2 more gentleman sweeps with two 1-4 finals loses lol. And as far as mastering the game of basketball, LeBron has never been in the top 10 of most skilled players in the league in any year that he's been considered the best player in the league. His skill set is limited compared to many other greats. LeBron has no bag, ISO game, no post-up game, always needs a screen to do anything, has an ugly jumper, his game isn't smooth. He looks silly wenever he tries to get fancy with moves that are out of his skill level. He shoots around 37% outside of 3 ft from the basket. And him lacking skill has made him the player with the most turnovers in NBA history. No player with that many faults should be sniffing the top five. And stats without context are meaningless. Also Lebron got back to back bronze medals leading teams full of NBA superstars, and didn't win gold until Kobe came and gifted him the gold. All he has done is stat pad for 20 years, and probably has been juicing it up with Balco/PED's.
You hit the nail on the head, when we grew up playing, if we didn't get back or something, we got benched. This is foreign to these dudes nowadays. I personally had LeBron at 7 at 1 point. I only put him in there because when you have convos about the best players but omit LeBron ppl stop taking you seriously because, of course, everybody is brainwashed. But he is back outside my top 10 again. I really can't stand him blaming everybody. Him getting Ham fired has made me hate him as a person
Yeah i got him around 11 or 12 now. If you're not gonna play defense then no matter what you give me on offense you're still only doing half of your job. Sit on the bench lol
@TheRealMindCrime for real. What goat plays like that? He been doing it since his first stint with Cleveland. Ppl think this is new. It isn't. This is a learned behavior
At 68 yo ,been called a hater since Dallas finals. Hope he doesn't add fuel to his tank. If he does it will come out one way or another. I have ranked some ABA players higher, not to throw shade at them.
Michael Jordan influence versus Lebron is not even close. People outside of the US dont know who is Lebron. EVERYONE knows Jordan, even who dont follow basketball.You wanna know why? Because MJ is better and everyone can see that.
I was actually a LeBron guy for a while but then I started watching Angry Old Hoops, Basketball Time Machine, Uncommon Cents, 2 Raw 4 TV now you, and it's like "How can I like this guy?" and whatever respect I had left for him died with that temper tantrum on the court at his coach! I mean are you freaking kidding me? I have never seen a supposed "GOAT" react that way. Also, I knew in that moment Darvin was gone
Well, having LeFlop in the GOAT conversation is insulting to the truly great players. I mean is LeFlop even a top player at the Power Forward position? I would still say no. You have Duncan, The Big Fundamental. Tim's nickname tells you right there, Duncan was beyond great because he mastered the fundamentals of basketball. Look at Karl Malone, no rings but dude was a beast on both ends of the floor but come to find he was a shit person, denying one of his kids or all them (I don't remember the exact story but he denied at least one of his many children). You have Christian Laettner, great college player, Dream Team member, decent NBA career. Dennis Rodman, multiple rings, rebounding king, member of the Bad Boys, NBA All Defense. Shawn Kemp, probably the closest to LeFlop in sheer athleticism but without the rings and trophies. Look, LeFlop is not even close to being all these rolled into one, he actually has performed well under the hype he had coming from high school. Kevin Garnett, T-Mac, even Jermaine O'Neal coming out of high school has great careers. There are just too many damn holes in LeFlop's career vs the hype of him entering the league. What's even worse is LeFlop Jr is now entering the league just based on his family name. It's absolutely disgusting.
Leboring inherited the gOaT status as a teenager. Jordan earned his place without the fanfare in the beginning, showing his will to win while having zero team support. Jordan created the megastar athlete, endorsement juggernaut, with the accolades and championships to back it up. MJ had people all around the world wanting to watch him basketball, wanting to play like him. LeBum inherited Nikes investment capital, and all perks of riding Jordan’s coattails in brand marketing. He gets the benefit of doubt by being Nikes number one athlete. All the advertisers that would pull out if they said anything less than generic cheers of greatness. Force feeding his games down our throats. News flashes of every qualifier stat and record to prop him up. He is the face of USA Basketball winning bronze. He is way down the list, behind players I would rather have on my team than him.
Agreed! We gave him way too much early on before he accomplished anything in the pros. Media was already calling him one of the greats before he even won a ring. I've never seen another player get treated like that.
This is my thing. People will say "stop talking about him not playing defense. You only talk about his Lakers years or his years after the Heat." If that's your standard we can't consider anything he did after Miami
The flops, I don’t know how I turned a blind eye to the flopping. I think he was sensational for 8ish years, and he wasn’t getting called as favorably so his size worked against him if he didn’t dance through the defense like a gazelle. And then I watched last dance and then watched western conference finals vs the Nuggets… and I’m like “what a clown”. His behavior is disgusting, when he plays well it’s not impressive, he just shoots better while being left open and exploiting mismatches. 🤷♀️🤦♀️ Also Angry Old Hoops is my GOAT! And maybe my spirit animal. 🐐 I think if he retired 5 years ago I would have him top 5 and he’s played himself out of top 5 not because of his level of play at his age, that’s fine, but he’s fully displayed his weaknesses and his character because he can’t camouflage it with a good motor and elite athleticism anymore. And BTM is also a GOAT! And I agree once you see it you can’t unsee it if you value ethics and integrity. The WWE theatrics… gross 🤮
I actually agree Sarah. If he retired in Cleveland after winning that 3rd ring I'd still have him top 5 too. It was still not 100% evident what a entitled baby he is. But now I can't even fathom him in my top 10 lol. 11 or 12 for me currently.
LeBron travels, carries the ball, doesn't play defense, not a clutch player, flops for fouls, lifetime 70% free throw shooter, doesn't hustle, doesn't fight for rebounds in the paint and doesn't have the winners mentality. Also the rumors about his PED use to maintain his performance into age 40 when all other NBA athletes showed physical decline in their early 30s or mid 30s if true would also disqualify him from consideration from the GOAT conversation although even without this last point he is not the GOAT.
I wonder if Lebron has any clue that people see and talk about his shortcomings. Is he even aware that he has shortcomings? He probably only hears "yes-men" in his social circle and doesn't expose himself to critics.
1. Bron has made every player who was good before him, worse, because "his style" requires him to dominate time w ball. 2. Bron always NEEDS 3 scapegoats per team. That was 1 reason he left Miami, noone would accept the narrative that Spoelstra was all of a sudden a poor coach. They pushed the Chalmers slackin, Bosh too weak and Wade too old narrative as far as they could. 3. Bron has always had ONE move...head down and barrel down the lane 4. He has destroyed each team by demanding trades and firing coaches, so NO TEAM is ever able to develop and team cohesion etc.
Bro - im 50yo this year was fortunate enough to have MJ as my idol in high school. LeBum would be called a joke at school back then. We would laugh at him bc hes a cry baby. Hes not even top 20.
Hey my Man. I am never aware of reaction videos to my episodes. Your video was just shown to me with the note, that I should watch it. Anyway, first of all thanks for your kind words. I am very happy when my show got you some joy. This is the reason why I am still doing this. Concerning Lebron... I try to stay away from negativity. If I talk about negative stuff I always try to stay respectful. Lebron is one of the greatest, but for me he is lacking too many Goat Qualities. He can still be proud of a great career, but goats are on a different level...
And to you, keep going with your show. I wish you all the best my friend
I'm speechless! I can't believe you watched my reaction to your vid. I'm honored sir. I love the positive tone of your videos. I hope you always stay that way. I've been watching your content for so many years and I must thank you for showing me a world of basketball lovers on RUclips. Keep spreading that love for the game my friend. Also, thank you so much for the kind words. I'll keep going. ✊️
BTM in the house! I was here!
BTM!!!!!!!! You are the man!
Dwayne Wade was better than LBJ.. so why?
@@TheRealMindCrime ayeee great recognition 🎉🎉🎉
You can't be the goat & have multiple flopping reels. Period.🙄
And quitting on your teammates or not playing defense.
Keep that energy with Luka 🤣
Clearly you've never watched any of the greats
@gregthomas3137 ahow me a video of any of the other greats flopping? Im not talking about this weak sauce era
@@samierking2256don’t worry. We definitely will. Luka will never be GOATed either. He already cries too much.
If you ever played ball with someone who literally bulldozes you, travels, carries, and complains about every little thing... That's what you have with LeBron.
Yeah. We laugh at those dudes
He doesn’t care about anyone but himself! He’s even starting to use his son for his own agenda
He's hurting Bronny by putting him in a situation when he's not ready for it. JMO.
Thank you! So many are missing this. They compare it to Thanasis and it’s so wrong. Giannis is fulfilling his brother’s dream; LeBron is fulfilling his own dream.
Going into the NBA unprepared will turn Bronny into a bust and that’s not fair to him. He’s messing with his kids psyche to stroke his own ego.
@@dta1329 I agree,The Thanasis and Bronny situation are completely different. Thanasis can handle playing in the league because he's shown he can and he's a 31 year old guy That has paid his dues playing in the g- league and Bronny hasn't played that much in college so a lot of people don't think he's ready for the NBA and should've stayed in college to get more playing time and experience. I just hope that this decision that he's being pushed into by his father won't destroy his confidence as a basketball player.
Even his son said in an interview that he doesn't really enthusiastic about playing with his dad, it's his dad LBJ wanted to play with him. That will tell you something, it's really all about him and him only.
@@Jimmy-ik2kc First of all Thanassis is a MUCH BETTER player than Bronny... Thanassis wouldn't be scoring 3ppg against college kids... Thanassis has played in the Euroleague and was one of the best defense/energy guys in the league there... Thanassis has guarded 18 year old Luka Doncic with decent success in the Euroleague... the same kid that came into the NBA and was an instant 20-25 points a night...
Sorry but Bronny is a 0ppg player in the NBA... he is a mediocre af college kid... one of those that not only not make it to the NBA but barely make a low end pro league in the world and most probably they get a 9-5 job and a college degree cause he's not pro basketball material... all he has is a super famous daddy who wants to put him in the league by force... also Bronny is 6'1"-6'2" with mediocre ball handling and barely a jump shot... what NBA team in their own mind would play this kid even for 5 seconds if his daddy wasn't LeDiva?
Sorry but comparing Bronny to Thanassis is a HUGE insult to Thanassis who has played at a much higher level than most college kids will dream of playing... people need to realize that out of the hundreds and hundreds of college basketball players every year only about 10-20 have even a decent career in the NBA... and Bronny isn't even top 100 in this year's college crop...
LeBron "flops" more than a 10-pound bass out of water; more excuses than a ventriloquist's dummy.
More excuses than a ventriloquist's dummy??? What?
@@jonhohensee3258🙋Whew! For a second I thought I was the only one.😅
The way the media hoodwinked people into moving him past Kobe is insanity …. The media has done a lot of bidding for this dude
Biggest fraud in the history of the NBA.
The nba knows that dudes on the balco there just waiting for his ass to retire to expose him 😂
I can’t wait. I’ll dance in the streets.
It’s why the media is already starting to turn on him. Within 2 years of his retirement the steroid abuse will come to light. Expect to see more Ant Man “face of the NBA” comments as the league tries to separate from the LeBalco era.
Also once those Klutch Sportz checks stop coming in they gonna all of sudden remember the truth😂
Lebron didnt start proclaiming himself as the best until kobe died.
Eh, he did about a year before Kobe died. Folks went after him, even those that defended him. After he died, though, he went overdrive with it and now he has more media control. So there isn't as much push back from the media. But the fans are pushing back.
Oh no, you wrong man! LeBron said "that right there made me the Goat " in 2016. Kobe was alive. Stop it! You might not like LeBron, so what, who cares. But don't lie for nothing. LeBron still the Goat of this Era until he retires. Thats all that matter.
@@KeithVinetHe said that more recently on his podcast show "The Shop", not in 2016. It was more of a revisionist view because he spoke in past tense.
He took bro out. Mark my words.
That's like Lil Wayne calling himself the Greatest Rapper Of All Times After Tupac died
Does this look like a Top-5 player???
- LeBron James: 2019 -> FAILED to make the NBA Playoffs, 2020 -> Asterisk BUBBLE Consolation Prize, 2021 -> LOST in the 1st Round, 2022 FAILED to make even the NBA PLAY-IN Tournament👀😅, 2023 SWEPT 4-0 in the Western Conference Finals, and 2024 Gentlemen’s SWEEP 4-1 in the 1st Round. Now we see why LeBron James went to 8 straight NBA Finals. Michael Jordan locked the GOAT Position at #1. Now ranking Kareem, Magic, Kobe, and Bird ahead of LeBron James sounds very logical. And yes, the basketball world is starting to rank Tim Duncan over LeBron James as well.🔥
Dirk and Hakeem won Rings with NO All Stars. Dirk won Against a Super Team. Why shouldnt be Dirk rank ahead of LeBron?
Duncan is easily above LBJ, so are Russell, Wilt and forgotten Mr. 8-0 John Havlicek.
T.D. is ranked over him in my book.
@Jimmy-ik2kc if Joker wins it all this year, I think you can make a case that joker is knocking on a spot ahead of LeBron. 2 rings with no all star team mates?
Bird is definitely above him, I have Bird equal first with Michael - I can back this up, but for sure beating the Showtime even once with his lineup puts him there, you think anyone would remember McHale if Bird didn't carry him to the promised land 3 times?
Magic/Kareem easy 3/4, I can go either way on those two in ordering.
Kobe is leagues above LeBron, I have him at 5, but wouldn't complain about anyone placing him as high as 3.
Before you even *start* looking, LeBron can't be top 5.
Duncan, Wilt, Bill, I can see LeBron sitting about 11 objectively, especially when leadership is considered...
Rolland bringin the facts!
It's understandable for Lebron to be scared of a guy with a mind like Kobe. I mean wow, "I'll push myself to exhaustion", that is powerful and frightening. What a beast.
@casual35yeah Jordan and kobe were way more serious than LeBron. Both way more clutch also. I'd rather have Reggie miller take my last shot then lebron.
The media did a hell of a job "selling" the narrative that LeBron is part of a conversation he has no business being in, and comparing him to MJ is absolutely laughable. I still don’t understand how they’ve managed to trick so many people who should know better because they have seen better players live at their best.
Easily.
People are mostly idiots.
It’s honestly diabolical.
They be drones, man🚬
Marketing teams baby
They're tricking this generation because anyone that watched Jordan ,Kobe and Bron play live knows that Bron has no business being compared to Jordan . Bron isn't better than Kobe . Jordan is the goat ,period.
What a waste of pure talent with all the chldish theatrics. He doesn't deserve some of the awards that he recieved.
Analyze each and see if he even deserved any of them
He fails the eye test
He can’t create space unless he pushes people outta the way
Basic handles
No pull up jumper of the dribble
Can’t peel around a screen for a jumper
Mediocre jump shot
He should get Homer Simpson’s MR PLOW jacket because that’s all he’s good at
Mr ploy
That's my name
That name again is mr plow
LeBulldozer had only one move, head down and act like a tank, the refs ignores every foul 🙄
Y’all will say this then put bill Russell top 5 😂
@@DouglasFalcon-sd3rcRussell dominated the Game with his Elite Defensive Abilities. Oh, and the FACT that Russell played a Position where it wasn't necessary for him to have the Elite Abilities of a Perimeter Player. LeBron has the Ball all of the time. Don't let facts get in the way of a great Hater Take though.
@@anthonyclark9441 ultra plumber hoops learn the game kid
LeBron has talent but no soul. He doesn't want the responsibility of team play and his poor play. He's an actor on the court and not a BB player! Second rated player with a 'give up attitude!!! Blame game to the MAX!!!
plus the worst part...the lack of humility and too much ego
I don't think he was that talented . He had the strength and speed to bully himself against smaller players to the rim but he has no skills(no bag) and you can't depend on him in the clutch time to knock down a mid-range shot, a 3 pointer or to make crucial free throws when needed. We know he will blame everyone else when they lose but take all the credit when the team wins like he played by himself.
@@jasonpeng6767 The ego and lack of humility is coming from the narcissist part of his brain. I don't think that he can help himself. Does Bron remind you of another narcissist that is on trial now? They both have the same characteristics....Large egos, never accept accountability and will blame someone else in a heartbeat.
@@Jimmy-ik2kc I agree.. I don't think he was always like that but surrounding himself with yes men changes you
@@jasonpeng6767 I agree,That's the thing ,these guys know if they don't agree with him they won't have jobs and that's some of the worst people to have to depend on for your livelihood.
"I'm not top 5? I am the Greatest of all time....Just as JJ, just ask Reggie uh....He was knocking me but I told him I was gonna cut his pay, so he backtracked....He says I'm the GOAT again.... Somebody told me they think I am a loser they said I'm the GLOAT not sure what the L is for....But they said I'm the GLOAT because I got swept in the playoffs, then the next season nearly got swept by the same team in the first round, ot one game though, check my stats, I'm the greatest of all time....I always make the right play.... Sometimes the right play is fumbling the ball out of bounds in the final seconds or missing a wide open shot...." 🤣😂🤣 GLOAT Greatest Loser Of All Time LeBron wouldn't be able to figure out what the L was for, 🤣😂🤣
Lebrony u ok up there? Lol yea no he ain't top 10 maybe 15 to 20 maybe but I rank guys that won less the right way above him even. Idk y he ever opened his mouth jus ridonkculous lol
Hahahaha. Gotta up that pay for Reggie Miller and Perkins. They turning on and telling the truth Lebalco! 😆 🤣 😂
"At the end of the day, It's just basketball"
How many fmvps and mvps korapist got 😂😂
His rightful place on the all time greatest list is right at 10th. Those 6 finals losses and flopping/quitting on his team for 20 YEARS just can NOT be overlooked 💯
I caught that BTM video the other day, i could feel Shaun David's frustration and it seems like he did a great job of getting his points across while keeping it professional. I noticed i wasnt subbed to your channel so i just subscribed. Congratulations on the growing channel man
Thank you! I watched a btm vid about a year ago where he was saying why he can't consider Lebron the goat. I figured he was on his way to this conclusion of not top 5 but I never thought he'd do a video on it. BTM is an OG in youtube basketball. Thanks for rhe sub!
That interview with Kobe happened in 2003 after the Spurs beat them in the second round. Loving the videos and can’t wait for more!
Thank you!
The fact that a younger guy Steph has 4 in his era excludes him from the top 5. I didn't mention Kobe or Duncan.
And Steph's team has beaten his team 2 times in the finals.
I dnt like Steph but I wud barely put him in front of lefossil jus cuz bron has done it so many times stacking the deck
@@Jimmy-ik2kcactually Steph has beaten LeBron 3 times in the finals. LeBron only won once cuz of Drays suspension and Steph’s injuries
After he's taken out by Balco use when he's retired justice will be Done
I can’t wait. I’ll dance in the streets.
BTM is another CC who have enough of lebozo propaganda.
Been watching btm for a few years. Thank you for helping spread the message.
Thank you!
To me as a father and coach:
the most crazy thing about LBJ is that he is forcing his child witj a heart atack to go for the best leauge even if he is not talented at all. Imagine your Kid would have a stroke would you want him to give everything to join your team on the most exhausting level of sports ???
I agree. It disgusts me. I'd be encouraging him to find another path because no matter what happens the family has plenty of wealth. I hope Bronny stays healthy.
He will never be a top 25 of all time! 💯
Facts!
I don't have that cheating bum on my 200 list 🤷♂️
Your a pathetic bum for saying This
Ouch you really hate LeBum. It's okay so do I
When i watch jordan, or kobe heighlights, it makes me want to grab a ball, go out to a hoop and start practicing my footwork/fadeaways. I watch lebron im like 🫥
Loving your vids. Love and Support from the Philippines ❤️
Thank you so much for the kind words! Hello from Arizona, USA!
BTM is my first non traditional NBA source that I trust 100 percent. I've seen this vid already. Lebron has never been in my top five. He never passed magic Bird Kobe or Duncan to say the least
Btm is great
Why does he always trying to play PG and doesn't take accountability
Because he's a boy. Not a man.
18:43 - 😂😂😂😂😂 “it’s just basketball”
I'm a 100% Disabled Combat Infantry Veteran and I take ZERO offense to any level of sports when they say they went to war with their brothers!!! It's the same mentality! It's just you, your team, against them... Same concept!
Thank you!
Every time I see LeBron now I think of the old Kenny Roger's hit song
" you got to know when hold em"
"Know when to fold em"
" know when to walk away "
" know when to RUN" !
I'm just saying 🤷
"The Gambler"......Or Kenny Rodgers other song....."Coward Of The County".
@@charltonblalock2510 exactly
So true!!! MJ and Kobe knew when to fold em. Lebalco is still chasing the ghost of the real #23
LeBron is that girl at the playground who should always be favored... or else!
Or she will lie and say you did something to her to get back @you for choosing another girl that's prettier than her.
The way the media hoodwinked people into moving him past Kobe is insanity 😊…. The media has done a lot of bidding for this dude
Lebron is barely top 5 after angry old hoops fan i cant stop it either every time im like who is he guarding where is lebron and that flop its so funny at how embarrassing it is i laugh at it every time
Same here! AOH made it so funny to watch lebron play now. I can't take him seriously at all anymore. He just looks like a clown to me.
Top 5 you guys are generous. He might not be my top 5 for SF.
Lack of accountability is the common acumen that is often used to describe him (Lebalco), however, "ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY!" best defines him.
Damn! BTM and TheRealMindCrime, you guys are two of my favorite channels that cover basketball. Plus, the fact that you threw an AOH clip in there, this is awesome to see. Keep up the good work.
Thanks man! I still can't believe he watched my reaction to his video and commented on it. I'm still blown away.
It’s good to know that btm isn’t on the klutch payroll … because he’s such a great guy ❤
Jessica
Its a relief for me too Jessica. BTM has always been so kind and genuine.
Once the PEDs are confirmed, I don't see him ranking high at all, or maybe even ranking. He was never top 5, people just got sold on #2 through repetition. Edit: I'm surprised your channel name has no "dragon" or draconic element to it given your symbol.
Wow Pizzatime! You're the first one to notice what the symbol means.
Kobe is nearly in tears when he says “I’ll push myself to exhaustion”.
And the For love of the Game Clauses in MJ and Kobe’s contracts, inspiring!
Oh i didn't know Kobe got that clause is him contract too! How cool is that!? Also, I love AOH too. He's a dude I'd like to have a beer with.
They don’t notice he does these things because they don’t watch the games … they use him in video games and watch espn highlights….which the points was padded at unimportant times in the game …. He does that well …
Its true. They play him on 2k at a 99 level and think its real.
I finally saw the light and have stopped mainstream media in my house this year, especially in sports and politics. Their agenda is disgusting. I don't see how LeFlopper can even be in the top 10. Thanks for spreading the word and speaking the truth!
Good! I did it with politics too.
Keep preachin 💯 facts. You're the man. Thank God someone else is seeing what I've been seeing
Thank you!! I will!
Totally agree with you. LeBron's legend is a manufactured one. His feats are mostly deflections for his many, many failures. You've got to be amazed at how we're somehow now supposed to put someone who went to the Finals 10 times and only winning 3.5 times, over someone who's went undefeated in all six of his NBA Finals appearances. That was just disgusting.
Great reaction video! I have always enjoyed BTM, even since he was the host of NBA Got Game TV before transitioning to oldschool bball primarily.
Thank you! Yeah btm is just so genuine all the time. I really respect that
top 15
mj
kobe
bird
magic
wilt
hakeem
duncan
Curry
kareem
thomas
russel
shaq
Jokic
lebron
anyone but kd
BTM deserves a HUGE shoutout for that vid! i was pumped when i saw it
BTM just showed us all that he's a real one. I always hoped he was.
My list
Jordan
Wilt
Hakeem Olajuwon
Bird
KAJ
Bill
Magic
Kobe
Tim
Shaq
Steph
Jokic, game wise is better all time than lebron already.. but lebron has those fake rings i gues...
I respect the one Jokic ring over Lebrons 4. Jokic did it the right way. Same with giannis and dirk.
If you wanna talk fake rings we gotta talk about shaq and kobe and the fake 3 peat, does kobe really deserve top 5? Not after 2002 he doesnt.
@@danielkarcis1174really can you count any championships? Since the nba always has influence over the games like its wwe.
If MJ had Lebron's body, the Pistons would have never been able to stop him. He would have ran over Laimbeer regularly.
Oh man. Mj with that body would simply be unfair lol. He could back down people like barkley alonf with the fade.
If LeBron is going to rest he needs to do it on the offensive end.
Thats the way i was coached. Slacking on defense gets you subbed out.
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Kareem
4. Magic
5. Larry Bird
6. Tim Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Lebron
9. Bill Russell
10. Wilt
Damn good list!
Lebron was best in his Era, he never played while Jordan played and kobe was the bridge between Jordan's Era and lebrons era ...people forget kobe was the man the first 6 or 7 years of lebrons career
That ones hard. I feel like kobe was the best the first half of lebrons career and for the second half steph has been the best. There was never an era of lebron dominating. He was losing while everyone else was winning.
Sean David like dude from After Dark I appreciate how REAL YOU KEEP IT!! I love dude from After Dark and yourself because of OBJECTIVITY AND HOW YOU GUYS KEEP IT REAL!! You’re not afraid of LeBron, Klutch or the machine that says you should say “The wrong things according to media” 🙏🙏keep it going bro I’m proud of/respect you
Thabk you!! I'm not afraid of Klutch lol. I will speak my mind til the end.
When bron says it's just badketball ,look@AD's face. He looked like ,here we go again and I don't know what he was thinking but I know what I would've been thinking in that moment(man,stop lying): my words.
Jordan definitely is the basketball prototype. Whether it is mental, physical, attitude, leadership, coach able, loyal to teammates, loyal to the city, work ethic, defense minded, killer instinct, closer, shot maker, decision-making etc. Kobe is next and we will see what these new players are made of now that they are seeming to move away from the crybaby fouls.
Imagine Larry Bird on Balco, my god he would have been amazing.
Omg!! He could've played another 10 years to his career
@@TheRealMindCrimenot even steroids, what about stem cells??? Which is perfectly legal, just a healthy bird is better than steroid juiced up Lebron. Anyday.
Re: donating to charities: for someone with a huge income, donations are a tax deduction which really amounts to allocating money to your chosen causes rather than paying tax (sorry, my internal attorney had to mention this) so for a person with a huge income to donate to charities, it's akin to having the privilege to decide where your tax money goes. Regular folks don't make enough money for this loophole to be doable. So these very public donations aren't as selfless as they sounds. Especially if some of your donations or non-profit deductions are related to things like a Self Glorification Museum and other similar nonsense.
100%
I only donate anonymously. If you really care you walk away proud knowing you made a difference. If you advertise it like Lebron then its for both clout and for a tax deduction. Turns out Jordan donated a bunch anonymously and it has only recently come to surface despite him hiding it.
I dislike the guy and what the NBA has become because of him, but being objective he is top15. He is a great player. I accept that he can perhaps even be a top 10 player, not for me but I can see why some people may think that and make some valid points about it. On the other hand is not a top 5 player, and the he is nowhere near to be considered in the Goat conversation.
GOAT requirements: 1)Production 2)Leadership 3)Clutch/competitive factor. Lebron has one of three.
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That interview of Kobe was after losing to the Spurs in the WCSF in 2003. That was his opportunity to fourpeat, and they lost. He was 25 at the time.
Thank you!
I am not using LeBlame interview excuses for a drinking game, I would be passed out by the end of it.
😆
I firmly believe if he wasn’t crowned the new mj his fans wouldnt be so delusional or biased to what they see and only speak with feelings instead of the facts
Lebron should've had to earn it like MJ did. Lebron was crowned before he even played his first game.
@@TheRealMindCrime yep and it seems like it built his own ego more than anything
That Kobe clip is after losing to the Spurs in '03,stoping the 4peat. You can see the small 2003 in the corner
Thanks stef!
You got it brate @@TheRealMindCrime
I'm Algerian born in 1992. And i confess. After the madness of Jordan popularity around the planet, we here went back to favorite sport which is soccer. And the next guy of whom i heard of from American basketball league, was Steph Curry! The little sneaky sniper got a sudden world popularity! I heard of Lebron next. When he (i mean Kyrie!) won against Curry in 2016! That's how much very little popular that guy is outside USA!
People appreciate hustling showmen who do anything to win. He's none. Just a spoiled freak of nature.
Good!!! That just proves that the only reason Lebron is popular here in the states is because of the media constantly pushing him down our throats. Steph should be the face of the league right now.
The first time I saw Lebron do one of his patented, bulldoze to the rim, not finish thru the contact, then stand flatfooted whining at the refs instead of getting back on defense, and then 5 seconds later running down the floor and getting a sneaky chasedown block and the crowd going wild and the television announcers going wild, and then watch him look for the Closeup Camera so i he could make sure his little pose was all lined up....i was fckin nauseated.
It was clear from that moment forward what he was: an entertainer who cared more about being treated as the greatest than he did being the greatest
LEBRON ::: not even touching the ball
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It's the type of legacy a player leaves behind to create a dynasty.
I was born in 81 so in my time first names that come to my mind for team legacy are:
Lakers - Kareem, Magic, Cooper, Worthy, Rambis, Green, Scott, Divac, Woolridge, Perkins, Thompson, Thomas, Edwards, Ceballos, Van Exel, Miller, Bryant, Horry, Kersey, O'Neal Harper, Rice, Rodman, Rider, Fox, Grant, George, Carter, Malone, Payton, Fisher, Cook, Russell, Sampson, Brown, Green, Medvedenko, Odom, Bynum, Vujacic, Gasol, Ebanks, Walton, Jamison, Nash, Howard, Hill, Henry, Lin, Randle, Brown, Nance Jr, Russell, Ball and Hart.
Celtics - Archibald, Bird, Maravich, Maxwell, Carr, McHale, Parish, Henderson, Ford, Robey, Ainge, Buckner, Carlisle, Wedman, Vincent, Walton, Lewis, Paxson, Kite, Sichting, Gamble, Acres, Brown, Pinckney, Pritchard, Robinson, Douglas, Massenburg, Battle, Kleine and McDaniel.
Bulls - Jordan, Green, Johnson, Jones, Woolridge, Whatley, Higgins, Dailey, Gervin, Oakley Oldham, Paxson, Banks, Colter, Corzine, Grant, Pippen, Sellers, Cartwright , Vincent, Davis, Nealy, Purdue, Haley, Armstrong, Hodges, King, Williams, Levingston, Courtney, McCray, English, Kerr, King, Kukoc, Longley, Myers, Harper, Simpkins, Wennington, Rodman, Haley, Salley, Edwards, Caffey and kleine.
And for legacy and dynasty for players off the top of my head are:
Bill Russell (11 ALL with Celtics consecutive from 59-66), K C Jones (9 ALL with Celtics consecutive from 59-66), Robert Horry (7 two with Rockets [94. & 95], three with LA [00-02] and two with Spurs), Bob Cousy (6 ALL with Celtics consecutive from 59-63), Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (6 one with Bucks, five with LA [87-88]), MJ and Pippen (6 ALL with Bulls 91/92/93 & 96/97/98), Micheal Cooper and Magic Johnson (5 ALL with LA), Dennis Rodman (5 two with Detroit, three with Bulls), Ron Harper (5 three with Bulls, 2 with LA), Steve Kerr (5 three with Bulls, two withs Sours), Kobe Bryant (5 all with LA consecutive from 2000-2002), Tim Duncan (5 ALL with Spurs), Robert Parish (4 three with Celtics, one with Bulls), Will Perdue (4 three with Bulls, one with Spurs), Horace Grant (4 three with Bulls, one with LA), Shaquille O'Neal (4 three with LA, one with Heat), Manu Ginóbili and Tony Parker (4 ALL with Spurs), Lebron James (4 two with Heat, one with Cavaliers, one with LA), Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, Draymond Green and Andre Iguodala (4 ALL with Warriors), Larry Bird and Kevin McHale (3 ALL with Celtics), Byron Scott and James Worthy (3 ALL with LA), BJ Armstrong, Bill Cartwright, Stacey King, John Paxson and Scott Williams (3 ALL with Bulls 91/92/93)
Sorry want to keep typing but hand is going numb and phone needs the charger I'll come back and edit it sometime see you all next time.
Damn. Goat status comment here!
@18:50 AMEN - I never liked hearing lebron speak (aside from him struggling with the english language)
dude is disingenuous beyond belief
Michael Jordan won 6 titles in 8 seasons, NEVER missing a game!
Lebron has played 22 years and played 1 82 game season... The comparison gets disgusting if you think about it. It's absurd to compare this very good nba player to a legend.
i know. It's not even close
People that know basketball, especially those of us that actually saw Jordan and Kobe, and are honest with themselves about what they are seeing, know the truth.
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When LBJ has to audacity to say the Miami Heat team he joined doesn't have enough to make it work and win it, while he personally saying " not one, not two, not three, not four ,not five, not six, not seven ", literally proves that he is a total narcissist in heart, and I am sorry that personality will disqualify him from all the good he did because there is a huge chance he did all that for himself, look at what he is doing to his son, Bronny is not ready for the NBA, yet LBJ is forcing that to happen so he can be the first player to play with his son in the same team, another achievement toward his " GOAT " debate narrative, and what will happen to Bronny when LBJ retires? Oh wait he can buy a team and became the GM and give his son a good contract right? LBJ is not just toxic, but a late stage cancer to the NBA right now. " He is killing it " is a fitting way to say it.
LeBalco is not on my top 20 list. LeBalco 🗑️🤣
Nice! I got him around 12 but he is sinking fast lol
You have dived into a solid exposure deeper into the truth level.
You've exposed the guy with no holding back.
The things I've always felt about the true nature of the fabricated goat.
I can't thank you enough.
Thank you jay! Spread the word! Lots of people still brainwashed out there.
lebron is top 10 at best
The fact that people really expect me to not believe my OWN EYES. "He's putting up decent numbers at his age" but at what cost? The position time. The lack of two way motion. The amount of time he needs the ball is a disrespect to a 20 year old. 25 points is not great in this era it's EASY to get that these days with the game as it's played.
Agreed 100%
Scoring 25 now is like scoring 18 in the MJ or Kobe era.
Watch next year lefraud going to fake it and take the blame after being exposed just so his fans can say seeeee
Lol. Its gonna get interesting thats for sure
The same media that says he’s donating all this money is the same media that tells us that he’s the greatest of all time. I don’t believe anything unless I see it for myself. I’d bet he donates very very little compared to what they say he does.
he isn't even top 25
He's top 20 because his finals losses are Duncan twice, Curry 3 times, and 34 year old Dirk embarrassed him.
Never seen MJ embarrassed like that in a finals.
Exactly. Lebron has been dominated. The other goats were the ones doing the domination
How come no one mentions what Durant did to him for those years at golden state?
He's not top 20 honestly.
If it's just basketball then I don't want to hear LeBron calling himself the greatest of all time anymore.
same!
I love the daily vids. Your "smartass" confident tone and approach makes these commentaries entertaining AND I cannot unsee the inferiority of LeChocke already. Now if anyone tells me he is the goat I get into a fit (like Lechoke in 2:16) saying "get the fuck outta here with shit".
Second of all, at 16:21 you paused the interview and the frame is unfortunate as hell. Kobe holds back the tears and the rage even before he started speaking. The dedication was IMMENSE, he would NEVER say "it's just basketball".
Also also, in the same press conference from where that great quote is, LeChoke was saying something about OTHERS not willing to strive for perfection. After saying that he made a dumbass glance at all the reporters as a cringe inducing seconds passed by.
Yeah that pause at 16:21 shows that pain. But even then he didn't make excuses. Also, thank you. I'm enjoying doing this and learning some stuff along the way as well.
HE AIN'T HIM
There are debates because the media fed us so much bad info about Lebron for so many years and people fail to distinguish between the best players to play the game and the GOATs.
One of the best players to play?
Absolutely, you don't stumble randomly to 40k points over 21 years, it's a fact.
One of the greatest? Nah, not even top 10.
travelling, flopping, complaining, excuses, jumping ships, shift blaming, lack of style on the court, money agenda (hello china vs hong kong), not running back on defense, crying act on the courts, constant request of respect, self coronation (nickname kingjames, how can it be so normalized?), the chosen 1 tattoo. AND RUINING SPACE JAM LEGACY
Just watched the vid...Bro, you are %100 right...Keep the good work up...He (Bron) has no heart, doesn't take accountability for anything, bails when shit doesn't go his way, flops, whines, play absolutely no D and is just about padding his stats now.
Thank you!
17:05 Kobe looks so tired in this interview, he looks like he's 50 years old. At first i thought this was an interview from one of his last seasons.
I know....he was so mentally and physically drained and disappointed...was hard to watch.
Yeah, the media cant cover up the BS at this point anymore. Everyone, even his biggest supporters are seeing the guy for what he truly is. It takes more than longevity stats to be one of the greatest.
I am just happy mainstream media is finally starting to shift. So many good young players in the league to focus on instead of pretending lebron is really some king lol
No player that is known for losing should be sniffing the top five in anyone's list.
4-6 in the finals. Has the record for most games lost in the finals in NBA history. While playing most of his career in the weak East and with super team after superteam. Also getting swept in the finals TWICE! And 2 more gentleman sweeps with two 1-4 finals loses lol.
And as far as mastering the game of basketball, LeBron has never been in the top 10 of most skilled players in the league in any year that he's been considered the best player in the league. His skill set is limited compared to many other greats. LeBron has no bag, ISO game, no post-up game, always needs a screen to do anything, has an ugly jumper, his game isn't smooth. He looks silly wenever he tries to get fancy with moves that are out of his skill level. He shoots around 37% outside of 3 ft from the basket. And him lacking skill has made him the player with the most turnovers in NBA history. No player with that many faults should be sniffing the top five. And stats without context are meaningless.
Also Lebron got back to back bronze medals leading teams full of NBA superstars, and didn't win gold until Kobe came and gifted him the gold.
All he has done is stat pad for 20 years, and probably has been juicing it up with Balco/PED's.
You hit the nail on the head, when we grew up playing, if we didn't get back or something, we got benched. This is foreign to these dudes nowadays.
I personally had LeBron at 7 at 1 point. I only put him in there because when you have convos about the best players but omit LeBron ppl stop taking you seriously because, of course, everybody is brainwashed. But he is back outside my top 10 again. I really can't stand him blaming everybody. Him getting Ham fired has made me hate him as a person
Yeah i got him around 11 or 12 now. If you're not gonna play defense then no matter what you give me on offense you're still only doing half of your job. Sit on the bench lol
@TheRealMindCrime for real. What goat plays like that? He been doing it since his first stint with Cleveland. Ppl think this is new. It isn't. This is a learned behavior
At 68 yo ,been called a hater since Dallas finals. Hope he doesn't add fuel to his tank. If he does it will come out one way or another. I have ranked some ABA players higher, not to throw shade at them.
I get called lebron hater all the time. I just tell them I'm a basketball lover and I'm protective of what i love. Lebron is hurting the game.
Michael Jordan influence versus Lebron is not even close. People outside of the US dont know who is Lebron. EVERYONE knows Jordan, even who dont follow basketball.You wanna know why? Because MJ is better and everyone can see that.
I was actually a LeBron guy for a while but then I started watching Angry Old Hoops, Basketball Time Machine, Uncommon Cents, 2 Raw 4 TV now you, and it's like "How can I like this guy?" and whatever respect I had left for him died with that temper tantrum on the court at his coach! I mean are you freaking kidding me? I have never seen a supposed "GOAT" react that way. Also, I knew in that moment Darvin was gone
I totally get it. Its hard when the media is brainwashing you. Its good to see more and more people are waking up.
Well, having LeFlop in the GOAT conversation is insulting to the truly great players. I mean is LeFlop even a top player at the Power Forward position? I would still say no. You have Duncan, The Big Fundamental. Tim's nickname tells you right there, Duncan was beyond great because he mastered the fundamentals of basketball. Look at Karl Malone, no rings but dude was a beast on both ends of the floor but come to find he was a shit person, denying one of his kids or all them (I don't remember the exact story but he denied at least one of his many children). You have Christian Laettner, great college player, Dream Team member, decent NBA career. Dennis Rodman, multiple rings, rebounding king, member of the Bad Boys, NBA All Defense. Shawn Kemp, probably the closest to LeFlop in sheer athleticism but without the rings and trophies. Look, LeFlop is not even close to being all these rolled into one, he actually has performed well under the hype he had coming from high school. Kevin Garnett, T-Mac, even Jermaine O'Neal coming out of high school has great careers. There are just too many damn holes in LeFlop's career vs the hype of him entering the league. What's even worse is LeFlop Jr is now entering the league just based on his family name. It's absolutely disgusting.
Isn't he a sf?
Leboring inherited the gOaT status as a teenager. Jordan earned his place without the fanfare in the beginning, showing his will to win while having zero team support. Jordan created the megastar athlete, endorsement juggernaut, with the accolades and championships to back it up. MJ had people all around the world wanting to watch him basketball, wanting to play like him. LeBum inherited Nikes investment capital, and all perks of riding Jordan’s coattails in brand marketing. He gets the benefit of doubt by being Nikes number one athlete. All the advertisers that would pull out if they said anything less than generic cheers of greatness. Force feeding his games down our throats. News flashes of every qualifier stat and record to prop him up. He is the face of USA Basketball winning bronze. He is way down the list, behind players I would rather have on my team than him.
Agreed! We gave him way too much early on before he accomplished anything in the pros. Media was already calling him one of the greats before he even won a ring. I've never seen another player get treated like that.
This is my thing. People will say "stop talking about him not playing defense. You only talk about his Lakers years or his years after the Heat." If that's your standard we can't consider anything he did after Miami
Exactly. If that's the case then he just has 2 rings lol
The flops, I don’t know how I turned a blind eye to the flopping. I think he was sensational for 8ish years, and he wasn’t getting called as favorably so his size worked against him if he didn’t dance through the defense like a gazelle. And then I watched last dance and then watched western conference finals vs the Nuggets… and I’m like “what a clown”. His behavior is disgusting, when he plays well it’s not impressive, he just shoots better while being left open and exploiting mismatches. 🤷♀️🤦♀️
Also Angry Old Hoops is my GOAT! And maybe my spirit animal. 🐐
I think if he retired 5 years ago I would have him top 5 and he’s played himself out of top 5 not because of his level of play at his age, that’s fine, but he’s fully displayed his weaknesses and his character because he can’t camouflage it with a good motor and elite athleticism anymore.
And BTM is also a GOAT! And I agree once you see it you can’t unsee it if you value ethics and integrity. The WWE theatrics… gross 🤮
I actually agree Sarah. If he retired in Cleveland after winning that 3rd ring I'd still have him top 5 too. It was still not 100% evident what a entitled baby he is. But now I can't even fathom him in my top 10 lol. 11 or 12 for me currently.
LeBron travels, carries the ball, doesn't play defense, not a clutch player, flops for fouls, lifetime 70% free throw shooter, doesn't hustle, doesn't fight for rebounds in the paint and doesn't have the winners mentality. Also the rumors about his PED use to maintain his performance into age 40 when all other NBA athletes showed physical decline in their early 30s or mid 30s if true would also disqualify him from consideration from the GOAT conversation although even without this last point he is not the GOAT.
Yeah i don't like cheaters. I don't respect that at all
I wonder if Lebron has any clue that people see and talk about his shortcomings. Is he even aware that he has shortcomings? He probably only hears "yes-men" in his social circle and doesn't expose himself to critics.
Hes in an echo chamber of yes men for sure.
1. Bron has made every player who was good before him, worse, because "his style" requires him to dominate time w ball.
2. Bron always NEEDS 3 scapegoats per team. That was 1 reason he left Miami, noone would accept the narrative that Spoelstra was all of a sudden a poor coach. They pushed the Chalmers slackin, Bosh too weak and Wade too old narrative as far as they could.
3. Bron has always had ONE move...head down and barrel down the lane
4. He has destroyed each team by demanding trades and firing coaches, so NO TEAM is ever able to develop and team cohesion etc.
100% I consider him a poison to the game and to any team. If he comes to phoenix I'm done watchin the suns for a year.
Bro - im 50yo this year was fortunate enough to have MJ as my idol in high school. LeBum would be called a joke at school back then. We would laugh at him bc hes a cry baby.
Hes not even top 20.
Me too and I'm 41! He wouldn't be allowed to play basketball in our eras.