I suppose you could with the x/y mixing, I have never used that. But the idea is that if you see signal on something set up for X it takes priority over everything else. It tries to auto mix for you. But I would caution you with it. It works great for something like a panel that once the moderator talks everyone else’s mic goes quiet. But in a worship setting it could throw things off especially if the pastor leaves his mic on and is signing with the music….
Chris, can you explain how you are handling effects like reverb. Currently have Vocal reverb as an example as a bus and it feeds to those channels. I can get the effects in the house which that main is not on a matrix. For the livestream how are you managing lowering and raising effects during the service so that it communicates well on the stream?
Each channel (and each mixbus) has the option to output to 4 different 'mains'. I have main 1 set to be my house mix sent to my PA system. Main2 is my broadcast mix. So I use that instead of an aux bus. The advantage is that it is always a postfader mix, so any changes you make to your house mix is automatically reflected in your broadcast mix. You just have to adjust how much you are actually sending to the Main Outputs. what sounds good in the room doesn't always sound good online.
Hey thanks for this! - quick questions 1) can do you a sends on fader on Main2? - take over the faders to control the mix to MAIN2? 2) what's the reason/thought/advantage behind running Main2 into a Matrix instead of just routing it out of the console into the stream box/obs?
1) I am not sitting in front of the console right now, but I think mains are only available from the right set of 4x faders. You can enable SOF to work on these 4, but you would have to find that option in the settings screen. I have seen it before, but forgotten where it is. 2) It allows me to do processing just on that matrix in case I want to send that main 2 mix somewhere else, such as maybe a cry room or lobby mix and I want to do separate processing on that (such as eq changes, etc). In practice, maybe you need to EQ your lobby speakers differently from your broadcast and maybe you don't want to use a limiter on it. Just allows for flexibility is all.
@donaldburns4462 The broadcast is simply the Main 2 channel. The wing has 4 Main sends. I use Main1 for the FOH mix, Main2 for the Broadcast mix. I think just set up each channel to 0.0 for the Main1 mix so I have complete control over the room mix, then I adjust Main 2 volume for the broadcast. I usually bring the band down in the broadcast mix so that the pastor volume is more in line with the band for broadcast. In the room, we are running 90-92db with band, but only about 70-75db for the pastor, so we have to adjust volume somewhere to get the pastor as loud in broadcast as we can.
Great thanks, we have an individual using an iPad to control house and I control the live stream feed on the board. I still need the ability to change channels separately from the house. I am thinking activating sends on fader on the main 3. I have house on 1, subs on 2 and live stream on3. Thoughts?
So are you panning your channels the same way in both broadcast and house mix? I’d like to do this but I want my house mix to be straight down the middle mono and my broadcast be panned out. To achieve this I could us a bus but we are currently using up all of the busses.. that’s why we’re using one of our main busses for broadcast. Thanks!
Yes I do pan based on my broadcast mix. My house mix is mono. It gets tricky because of the way panning works. Basically, set your main PA as a mono channel, same way you would a bus I think. But the issue is that when you do that it sums the left and right, but it doesn’t increase one side over the other. For example. You have something panned center, but when you pan it left you will notice that the right side decreases but the left never increases. So in your mono mix you effectively make the instrument quieter but your stereo mix for broadcast is fine. To compensate, you have to push the fader a bit more in the house but that means broadcast gets louder. easy fix, just lessen the send to broadcast from that channel like 1db or whatever feels appropriate.
Its an acoustic drum set in a room that seats maybe 500 people comfortably. The only thing I have in the PA is the kick and toms. The snare is basically in the room enough to give energy, otherwise it is mostly just the acoustic drum noise in the room.
@@spookie3000 my room measures 90db with the drum kit off and the only thing I am lacking is kick and toms. I even went with v7 Capsules on my vocal mics to reduce bleed.
I will give this a try this weekend
Thank you sir for this video. Very helpful. I will send you an email to get more description. God bless you
Can you do a setting where when you select pastor mix like for message and it will kill all others instruments/mics for broadcast?
I suppose you could with the x/y mixing, I have never used that. But the idea is that if you see signal on something set up for X it takes priority over everything else. It tries to auto mix for you. But I would caution you with it. It works great for something like a panel that once the moderator talks everyone else’s mic goes quiet. But in a worship setting it could throw things off especially if the pastor leaves his mic on and is signing with the music….
Chris, can you explain how you are handling effects like reverb. Currently have Vocal reverb as an example as a bus and it feeds to those channels. I can get the effects in the house which that main is not on a matrix. For the livestream how are you managing lowering and raising effects during the service so that it communicates well on the stream?
Each channel (and each mixbus) has the option to output to 4 different 'mains'. I have main 1 set to be my house mix sent to my PA system. Main2 is my broadcast mix. So I use that instead of an aux bus. The advantage is that it is always a postfader mix, so any changes you make to your house mix is automatically reflected in your broadcast mix. You just have to adjust how much you are actually sending to the Main Outputs. what sounds good in the room doesn't always sound good online.
Hey thanks for this! - quick questions
1) can do you a sends on fader on Main2? - take over the faders to control the mix to MAIN2?
2) what's the reason/thought/advantage behind running Main2 into a Matrix instead of just routing it out of the console into the stream box/obs?
1) I am not sitting in front of the console right now, but I think mains are only available from the right set of 4x faders. You can enable SOF to work on these 4, but you would have to find that option in the settings screen. I have seen it before, but forgotten where it is.
2) It allows me to do processing just on that matrix in case I want to send that main 2 mix somewhere else, such as maybe a cry room or lobby mix and I want to do separate processing on that (such as eq changes, etc). In practice, maybe you need to EQ your lobby speakers differently from your broadcast and maybe you don't want to use a limiter on it. Just allows for flexibility is all.
@@chriscampbellmusic thanks man for the reply and the video!
how did you setup the broadcast channels maybe i am missing something but i did not get that part
@donaldburns4462 The broadcast is simply the Main 2 channel. The wing has 4 Main sends. I use Main1 for the FOH mix, Main2 for the Broadcast mix. I think just set up each channel to 0.0 for the Main1 mix so I have complete control over the room mix, then I adjust Main 2 volume for the broadcast. I usually bring the band down in the broadcast mix so that the pastor volume is more in line with the band for broadcast. In the room, we are running 90-92db with band, but only about 70-75db for the pastor, so we have to adjust volume somewhere to get the pastor as loud in broadcast as we can.
Great thanks, we have an individual using an iPad to control house and I control the live stream feed on the board. I still need the ability to change channels separately from the house. I am thinking activating sends on fader on the main 3. I have house on 1, subs on 2 and live stream on3. Thoughts?
@@donaldburns4462 yes. Sends on fader will work. Or you can do the sends on fader from the iPad too and run your live stream from it.
@@donaldburns4462 or you can set up your mix so when you make changes to your house you are changing your broadcast too.
Thanks for the info.
So are you panning your channels the same way in both broadcast and house mix?
I’d like to do this but I want my house mix to be straight down the middle mono and my broadcast be panned out.
To achieve this I could us a bus but we are currently using up all of the busses.. that’s why we’re using one of our main busses for broadcast.
Thanks!
Yes I do pan based on my broadcast mix. My house mix is mono. It gets tricky because of the way panning works. Basically, set your main PA as a mono channel, same way you would a bus I think. But the issue is that when you do that it sums the left and right, but it doesn’t increase one side over the other. For example. You have something panned center, but when you pan it left you will notice that the right side decreases but the left never increases. So in your mono mix you effectively make the instrument quieter but your stereo mix for broadcast is fine. To compensate, you have to push the fader a bit more in the house but that means broadcast gets louder. easy fix, just lessen the send to broadcast from that channel like 1db or whatever feels appropriate.
@@chriscampbellmusic I got you I might try that! Thank you for the response and the video very helpful!
Wow, the drum is completely turned off for the room?
Its an acoustic drum set in a room that seats maybe 500 people comfortably. The only thing I have in the PA is the kick and toms. The snare is basically in the room enough to give energy, otherwise it is mostly just the acoustic drum noise in the room.
@@chriscampbellmusic haha had the same problem with cymbals leaking over the drum screen. Measured 84 dB on just the cymbals at the booth.
@@spookie3000 my room measures 90db with the drum kit off and the only thing I am lacking is kick and toms. I even went with v7 Capsules on my vocal mics to reduce bleed.
@@chriscampbellmusic wow!
probably has drums routed to a bus then bus goes to main 1