As much as I admire the build standards and form factor of many of Leica's cameras and lenses, what I really struggle to see and understand is what marks any of them out as outstanding in terms of image quality in the sophisticated, mature digital photography age. I'm never sure whether RUclips does full justice to Leica's products, but I've grown quite weary of various presenters vaguely refer to a "Leica look" but then be totally incapable of producing a particular image that looks in any way unique. It's practically impossible, for example, to reliably tell Leica and Fuji images apart when viewed online, as you've demonstrated in at least one of your own videos. So I am sorely tempted by the lure of Leica's products, but feel there is a strong element of the emperor's new clothes about their marketing strategies and find it quite extraordinary that a key part of their present plans is to increase the prices across the board of gear that is in some cases more than halfway through its product cycle. I don't particularly enjoy being taken for a mug, so will probably steer clear of Leica for the foreseeable future. It's a bit sad because the Q2 is one of my favourite camera models of all time and yet I'll probably never get to use one. But thank you for your presentations and opinions because I usually find them very interesting and helpful.
Thank you Michael. Today's Leica cameras are about build quality, design and simplicity with the option of using very very good manual focus lenses that can be also very small. When you start comparing the big SLR-like cameras from Leica and other manufacturers and their respective lenses, the image quality will be very close (but you also pay for this when buying top of the shelf Canon or Nikon lenses). This is the reason I was so gutted about Leica discontinuing the CL range - it is the true modern representation of the original Leica ethos of small, simple and very well made image taking device - the system just needed a smaller 35mm AF lens to be unbeatable, IMO. I agree that Leica Q2 is the one to lust after and will become a future classic. People will still be buying and using second hand Q2 cameras in five years from now but the prices will never go down to (generally) acceptable levels. Saying that, I have a friend who sold his Q2 after 'discovering' the CL with 35mm manual Zeiss lens. The fixed 28mm lens, however spectacular, is not for everyone.
@@PetrGardianTV I am dreaming of the day they do. I have a lot of vintage gear and after learning how much higher the resolution is of these very old medium and large format cameras compared with modern sensors I was contemplating doing some film photography on the side. The problem is that I hate giving up on all the things I could do in post with a raw image and picking up a lot of extra time processing as well as expenses.
Sounds awesome! If Panasonic develops the new PD sensor, then we will see it in the next Leica SLx. But I'm afraid that Q3 will have the exactly same lens, flippy LCD and sensor from M11 - expect 90mm crop option.
Thanks for another interesting video! I love to see what the smaller camera manufacturers have in store for us in the future, as they have the agility to be creative. By buying all the same sensors, and housing them into different bodies with different processors, I indeed can't help but feeling cameras with similar sensors may in output (but certainly not in shooting experience) be largely more of the same with different accents here and there. Maybe Leica and Fuji should team up to create the best CCD sensors, instead of the standard CMOS, which is still heralded and used for its better colour representation? That could be a clear differentiator. Buy the McDonaldised Sony sensor, or the 'handmade burger'-sensor from Leica and Fuji? Thinking with my heart and not my head, I still really like the design and craftmanship that goes into making the works of art that are Leica's, though I am unlikely to shell out the cash to purchase a top-end one as a mere mortal and poor workman in this world. For me buying a second hand GFX100s already felt like borderline insanity, and that was half the price of an M10 or M11 and more versatile. And in that camera the sensor truly is the centerpiece of the camera, currently unavailable in any other. It's stellar and a joy to shoot with, yet totally over the top.
Thank you Edwin! I would love to see new generation of CCD sensor but can't see it making economical sense. It would have to offer more than just better colours compared to CMOS. Fuji is showing us the next sensors in H2(s) and Leica has enough alliances already, right? :) Still I want Fuji to make X-PRO 4 to the level of design and craftmanship of X100V - that is the only Fuji camera that got close to Leica build quality. That is what Fuji needs to focus on (and better viewfinders, their eye reliefs are just too short). Looking at used market, M10 can be had for £3500 - that's still too much for me but at the same time I'm afraid it will not go lower. M11 raised the price ceiling too high, IMO, and people are not swapping it for M10 like they did with M9. The GFX100s is a camera I'm going to buy if I ever get properly into landscape photography (which may never happen :)) but will try it out for sure! Over the top is the best :)
I get what you mean, but as someone more wise than me said: If you don't understand past, you cannot predict future. Which was kind of the theme of this video. Sorry to disappoint.
👏👏👏👏👏 Excellent video!!!! Great intro, history background, body, and closing! Outstanding 💎💎💎💎
Thank you, that is very nice of you to say!
As much as I admire the build standards and form factor of many of Leica's cameras and lenses, what I really struggle to see and understand is what marks any of them out as outstanding in terms of image quality in the sophisticated, mature digital photography age. I'm never sure whether RUclips does full justice to Leica's products, but I've grown quite weary of various presenters vaguely refer to a "Leica look" but then be totally incapable of producing a particular image that looks in any way unique. It's practically impossible, for example, to reliably tell Leica and Fuji images apart when viewed online, as you've demonstrated in at least one of your own videos.
So I am sorely tempted by the lure of Leica's products, but feel there is a strong element of the emperor's new clothes about their marketing strategies and find it quite extraordinary that a key part of their present plans is to increase the prices across the board of gear that is in some cases more than halfway through its product cycle. I don't particularly enjoy being taken for a mug, so will probably steer clear of Leica for the foreseeable future. It's a bit sad because the Q2 is one of my favourite camera models of all time and yet I'll probably never get to use one. But thank you for your presentations and opinions because I usually find them very interesting and helpful.
Thank you Michael. Today's Leica cameras are about build quality, design and simplicity with the option of using very very good manual focus lenses that can be also very small. When you start comparing the big SLR-like cameras from Leica and other manufacturers and their respective lenses, the image quality will be very close (but you also pay for this when buying top of the shelf Canon or Nikon lenses). This is the reason I was so gutted about Leica discontinuing the CL range - it is the true modern representation of the original Leica ethos of small, simple and very well made image taking device - the system just needed a smaller 35mm AF lens to be unbeatable, IMO.
I agree that Leica Q2 is the one to lust after and will become a future classic. People will still be buying and using second hand Q2 cameras in five years from now but the prices will never go down to (generally) acceptable levels. Saying that, I have a friend who sold his Q2 after 'discovering' the CL with 35mm manual Zeiss lens. The fixed 28mm lens, however spectacular, is not for everyone.
I wish these camera companies would focus on creating a true medium format camera sensor.
I guess they are waiting for Sony to do that so they can just buy the sensor and tweak the firmware.
@@PetrGardianTV I am dreaming of the day they do. I have a lot of vintage gear and after learning how much higher the resolution is of these very old medium and large format cameras compared with modern sensors I was contemplating doing some film photography on the side. The problem is that I hate giving up on all the things I could do in post with a raw image and picking up a lot of extra time processing as well as expenses.
@@sburgos9621 I feel your pain. Film is such a fun medium but very costly compared to digital.
Good telling for peoples who don’t know Leica history . 👍
Thank you!
Leica SL3 with Phase and contrast detection hybrid sensor. Leica Q3 with a Tri-Elmar lens or variation of focal length choice. Only 2 I ask for 🙏🏻
Sounds awesome! If Panasonic develops the new PD sensor, then we will see it in the next Leica SLx. But I'm afraid that Q3 will have the exactly same lens, flippy LCD and sensor from M11 - expect 90mm crop option.
Im hoping SL3 will have tilt screen. then , for me its perfect
Thanks for another interesting video! I love to see what the smaller camera manufacturers have in store for us in the future, as they have the agility to be creative. By buying all the same sensors, and housing them into different bodies with different processors, I indeed can't help but feeling cameras with similar sensors may in output (but certainly not in shooting experience) be largely more of the same with different accents here and there. Maybe Leica and Fuji should team up to create the best CCD sensors, instead of the standard CMOS, which is still heralded and used for its better colour representation? That could be a clear differentiator. Buy the McDonaldised Sony sensor, or the 'handmade burger'-sensor from Leica and Fuji?
Thinking with my heart and not my head, I still really like the design and craftmanship that goes into making the works of art that are Leica's, though I am unlikely to shell out the cash to purchase a top-end one as a mere mortal and poor workman in this world. For me buying a second hand GFX100s already felt like borderline insanity, and that was half the price of an M10 or M11 and more versatile. And in that camera the sensor truly is the centerpiece of the camera, currently unavailable in any other. It's stellar and a joy to shoot with, yet totally over the top.
Thank you Edwin! I would love to see new generation of CCD sensor but can't see it making economical sense. It would have to offer more than just better colours compared to CMOS. Fuji is showing us the next sensors in H2(s) and Leica has enough alliances already, right? :) Still I want Fuji to make X-PRO 4 to the level of design and craftmanship of X100V - that is the only Fuji camera that got close to Leica build quality. That is what Fuji needs to focus on (and better viewfinders, their eye reliefs are just too short).
Looking at used market, M10 can be had for £3500 - that's still too much for me but at the same time I'm afraid it will not go lower. M11 raised the price ceiling too high, IMO, and people are not swapping it for M10 like they did with M9. The GFX100s is a camera I'm going to buy if I ever get properly into landscape photography (which may never happen :)) but will try it out for sure! Over the top is the best :)
What’s next? You go on and on talking about the past.👎
I get what you mean, but as someone more wise than me said: If you don't understand past, you cannot predict future. Which was kind of the theme of this video. Sorry to disappoint.