Zero Motorcycle alternative? Thelmoco FARSTA 6000 REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- In this episode we have the Thelmoco Farsta 6000. The ELECTRIC Motorcycle. Is this a Zero at a fraction of the cost? Let us know your thoughts?
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I like the look of that bike, I could use it as my town and commute to work machine and those panniers actually suite it really well to my eye.
Review was more than Good Mark so don’t worry.
The price seems a little heavy but, as mentioned the TC Super Socco Max is half the range … you’re paying for more range and arguably, this bike is much nicer looking.
Would be interesting to do a side by side with the TC max. I must say, the panniers and tip box make this bike look even more grown up.
The quality will improve I’m sure.
I'm German owning a garage without power outlet. Household sockets for garages aren't part of the local plan towards electric mobility. Do public sockets exist anywhere? I could get along with that bike as is, charging at work and using it mainly to commute there. But I 'd be much happier with something allowing to take the battery out and charge it at home. An ability to fill an empty battery during a single shift at work seems also needed, to make the bike's range "real".
Getting such a bike looks like a tough, environmentalistic enthusiasm fueled, decission to make... My current 125ccm was 2K2€, next would be 2K8. My annual fuel consumption is below 250€. Considering that I 'd have to save up for a battery replacement and electricity is about 0.3€/kWh an e-bike probably has to need zero maintenance to ever break even. But without quick charging it is a one trick pony demanding a 2nd vehicle for travelling and vacations which are, although no real fun, at least doable on a 125ccm.
I suppose I 'd be happiest with a hybrid. Considering my pretty short commuting distance I could also see myself riding a converted MZ or buying an e-bike with much shorter range. Considering battery cost I'd love to see a modular solution where the user can add a 4th third of capacity, when suddenly needed, after a couple of years. - No clue if BMSs could handle such but it feels like a feature worth paying for.
That is fascinating! I am pretty much convinced that this is the bike for me
30.24 Speedo went to zero for a second or two. Did anyone else spot that. Good review as always
40A charger is at 72V, 13 amp plug is at 230V so.... it can work or u can go for 16 amp breaker😃, thnx for rewieve. Hope to get my hands on one next year.
Looks like a great bike for the learner market I would have one but charging times puts me off would be better with some sort of fast changer
nice review enjoyed watching it, need something to tour 400miles a day and 150 miles a day over dirt mountain treks
What up with the rev counter, and the speedo (I'm sure I saw it read 0 when you were riding), and it only seems to have a third gear. Bit worried about the quality based on that. But it mostly looks good. Question is where would I (as someone who isn't direct on the road and has no off road parking) would charge it.
I think its still a generation or two away from prime time for electric bikes, at least for me and my commute.
This is the DAYI e-Odin, they also make the e-Odin pro which has a 10k motor and Type 2 charging, that's the puppy I'm interested in.
The 40 amp charger allows you to use a fast charger.
I will receive mine 10k motor version next week, I can give you my quick thought on it if you like.
Hi , a great review , if your looking for an electric bike . Five years warranty what more could you want for a commuter bike and just popping around on . Merry Christmas to all .
Excellent review (as usual) & a smart looking bike too! The range and charging times will hopefully improve in the future. At the moment they’re perfect for city and short trips, but outside of these areas the worry of not getting home plus the restriction of not travelling further than 45 miles distance (90 mile round trip) is a real pain too. Maybe bikes could be hybrid like certain cars are🤔
Keep the videos coming, really enjoy them👍
Brilliant review really enjoyed it, lovely looking bike just one criticism other 11 KW like zero 7.5 can hit over 70 mph which is a shame as I would expect this bike to have a top end more than 60, but saying that looks good value for money 👌
Nice bike, but with some limitations. 10-12 hour battery charge time is way too long. Then there is the range, always a worrying thing with an electric vehicle. Recommendations for charging & discharging electric vehicle batteries are; Do not charge above 80% & do not discharge below 20%. This is to prolong the life of the battery, the manufacturers & distributors not always keen to tell people this. So, with this in mind, the range would be considerably reduced. Then last, but not least is the price. Although cheap for an electric bike, I purchased my new Yamaha MT-03, a much more capable machine of better quality for less money...🤔
Interesting bike! Unlike most Chinese electric offerings, this one I have not actually seen in the domestic Chinese market, so that’s interesting as you mentioned, let’s say a similar model from the manufacturer in a different spec, is on aliexpress. I really like the looks of this bike, though a read of the comments section seems like I am in the minority. Good vid, shame about the weather!
So £6300 with 5 year warantee?
That's sounding a lot more reasonable to be fair compared with livewire etc.
Range is ok ish, Recharge time is dreadful, speed a bit on the slow side for me but livable.
So reliability and customer service needs to be seen, what happens when it goes wrong regarding riding something, do they provide courtesy bike till it's fixed?
This is a Dayi Odin!
I am out a fan on the dark indicators and in the fog shots you can hardly see the rear light. Apart from that it looks nice needs to be in white with some blue and red stripes 😂😂
Nice looking bike. I was considering an electric bike when i got my zontes but the range put me off. Wish this was available earlier this year haha
The RE classic and Meteor cost a lot less but then they are petrol which the govt don’t want us to use so is there really a choice long term ?
What I want to know is, why Honda (or somebody) selling something like this for £5k already?
There's not much doubt that it will be Chinese that capture the mass market in electric bikes, but they have to crack fast charging first. It may be that there isn't a cultural leisure riding thing of bikes in their market yet. As it stands that range would suit me but I'm very much in the minority with 50-70 miles being the max I'd be doing on a ride out. It would definitely go on any list if I was looking at a new bike.
i suppose that if they are popular the battery tec will come on and replacements will do better
Why does the rev counter keep zooming up & down? Merry Christmas to you all too & families 🎄🎄✅
That farsta 6000 looks really nice, shame it's so small but it's a nice looking bike.
The only thing is, why is it only 2 years on that I have seen this bike and I only saw it because I have been checking through the list of bikes elegable for help to buy.
I find the only bikes that get any kind of promotion tend to be Zero and we know they are fantastic bikes but they are very expensive.
Merry Xmas to all of you 🎄🎅
If we like it or not this is the future ,But it looks nice ,seems to go well .as a second bike Its a valid reason to have one ,all I would say is even at 100 miles it wont fill my requirements a full days rideing as an only means of transport . 250 mile range would get me to the seaside and back with a bit to spare and that,s whats required as a minimum .To put it into perspective my e bike will do 50mph and if I take it easy with a second battery as backup it will do 200 ish miles for a price of less than £2000.you pays your money and takes your choice tho .
Even with a battery that lasts 5 years, it's not a long time is it, some people have ICE bikes that they have owned 40-50 years, or even longer, can't see electric bikes lasting for very long.
Yeah this the killer for me, I can live with everything else , but replacing battery will be expensive.
Hopefully by then battery tech will be better and cheaper but we've had that argument for the last 20 years lol.
How accurate is the speedo though, was it 60, or really just 55.
Until it's possible to easily charge an electric motorcycle at charging points I think e bikes are just for mopeds.
I have a keeway ezi mini moped and I love it but petrol it is for me on bigger bikes.
Great video as always.
I love my vanmoof electric cycle, and I’m warming to the idea of electric motorcycles. Don’t worry my petrol bike isn’t going anywhere just yet! Not sure about the look or quality of this if I’m honest - the comparable ‘maeving’ is the I one I prefer - more of a retro/café style with removable battery for the same kinda price
Oh by the way the bike needs fast charging, it will never sell without fast charging, and a sports mode so you can drain that battery super fast at super fast speeds, but sports mode optional, fast charging a must have.
Wish you could get the fonzarelli from Australia, love smaller 125 equivalent electric mini bikes, Sunra miku super is in the UK already which is Honda Msx sized 125 but fully electric which might be worth a test.
Excellent, you really put yourself out for us so thank-you, BUT, really gave me the impression you were on a trial bike, the wholesalers are trying to bring to market but the product really concerned me, for starters the rear wheel/front wheel are from different models, the plastics are truly awful, the readout looks a nightmare so I really wouldn't hand over hard earned cash for it, YET!
Yep👍
Well almost usable at a price I could afford. It is slow to charge though, so really you are limited to 40 miles out and 40 miles back. Just not enough is it. So you need to see how quickly it charges at a services, otherwise it is just a town bike.
Average commute distance and time ... its really close. Not arguing about it being best suited for towns. It is. Really good driving position for that.
I worked as a mechanic in an ebike shop for years and the quality of those varies from truly awful to meh. This will be no different. The killer will be when the battery needs replacement.
Great review again, as always, but that bike needs lower (more sporty) bars, & way can’t they make electric bikes nowadays with two of the same wheel design? Nadolig Llawen
Great vid ,e bikes have come a long way in a few years ,nice bike if I was looking for a learn bike i would consider it ,,,and ha ha you said p off ,,and nearly Christmas,,,how very dear you lol ,,,keep up your very good works.P.S any news about your ebike
Haha. Re: our e-bike, we are back on it next year.
I have order one Bike in Germany. For the way to work and back. Thet shipper as drive whit my car.
Range better than many. Looks like a wolf’s gave from front just before ride (can’t unsee that now). :)
You can't tell what the range is if you don't ride from full charge until flat, like some fuel gauges, the battery metre might not drop at a consistent rate, and then drop like a stone.
@@jameshaywood878 there were a few electric scooters with same body as mine at NEC but with a range of around 50 miles. Mine only about 80 but easier to top up petrol than battery
The thing that always concerns me is that pushing six grand the construction is the typical Chinese kinda thing, and what battery does it use, who manufacturers it, for example there is maxi scooter called the Puma and its available for just over five grand 70mph 9000w motor 80v / 80ah CATL battery with an 8 year warranty on the pack, and a claimed range of up to 125 miles OK its a big scooter but I think this bike is a bit much for the cost
I wondered if being silent would cause more problems with safety, as car drivers and pedestrians can't hear you.
I don't like the battery housing panels and I am not sure about the faux tank either. Um. I think the flash term is skeuomorphism - it apes something for reasons of familiarity not efficiency. But it is a decent size. Many electric bikes at the low end have been built for Hobbits.
Honda CB125R is £4,399 new.
126kgs
70mph eventually
up to 100mpg reported.
No range issues!
FARSTA for £5,500?
The Farsta has to claw back £1100 somehow to get level with the Honda - that's a LOT of miles ...my guess 10,000+miles(petrol,servicing) or 2 or 3 years.
EVs are not particularly green to produce vs the Honda- 85(say)mpg ICE isn't a big emissions worry.
Range issues - 120miles/day.
Unproven manufacturer - will it stop one day? - vs a Honda !!!
!!! Ten year life of the motorcycle- the battery will be dead or unacceptably reduced range - throw the bike away after that or spend £3,000 or so(?) on a new battery....the Honda will be still going, CB125s are still around from the 1970s.
Bars - too high yes- better acceleration and range if the rider was more prone.
Slow charge only is good - fast charges knacker battery life, so it's a trade off.
Merry Christmas - love the format and quality - no, it was all good !
Rev counter?
It reminds me looks wise of an 80's or 90's BMW!
Just what I thought. BMW K75 / K100 look to it ( if you squint a bit )
@@fatndaft Yes. It is a pretty bike. I am not sure about plastic panels around the batteries. I would prefer something plain and sculptured like a fairing.
I was thinking the same, I think it was nicknamed the flying brick.
@@jameshaywood878 What we need is foot forward designs for that true 70's or manga feel.
I see that most of the comments are generally positive. Personally I hate it. It looks like a plastic toy with all the stupid mouldings. It is very bulky for a 125 equivalent and a 180 rear tyre is ridiculous. Think of the cost of replacement for the commuting market it is aimed at. It looks cheap and overstuled. If you want a commuter a scooter makes far more sense. If you want a bike then you can spend £5k much better.
Why on earth aren't the Japanese bike makers on the bandwagon yet. Actually I know why (having lived in Japan for 6 years), the Japanese are always ultra conservative and have a "let's wait and see" attitude to anything new. C'mon Japan, pull your finger out!
I don't think electric bikes look very clever, way too much cheap plastic, and general low quality, I also like the look and sound of the internal combustion engine, not something that looks and sounds like a washing machine, I don't know if I could carry on riding without ICE.
New sub and great video.. anyway to make bike do 70
The price is still way to much. My motorcycle is a Suzuki GSX 1250 fa, full fairing, also comes with rear carrier with luggage, I bought it second hand in very good condition, and I would bet £1000, which one will last much longer, and it cost me£4500.
Kind of missing the point to be honest. Electric bikes are not as cheap as their combustion counterparts. I should imagine in 10 years time, they will be a hell of a lot cheaper.
@@motorsforthemasses but we are talking about now ain't we, not 10 years from now.
@@jameshaywood878 I know but as Electric bikes are far from the mainstream right now, the cost will be higher as the mass production and sales is not there yet. Once they become more readily available, the price will drop as the quality increases; and the main point is the world is sadly having to be greener so electric is the way to go...pains me to say it.
Doesn't look too bad, it reminds me of a BMW k100.
Bike is great, 10h charging can be challenging, orderd 25a charger, standard is 10a. Even with hefty insurances, its a great commuter. 1400km on a clock now. No issues, very, very minor assembly mistakes, but all and all, very nice package.
Great feedback, good to hear. What range do you get in a charge? ...and at what speeds?
@@motorsforthemasses At full charge i drive to work with relative confidence. Work trip is 85km. Rider weight isd 97kg + backpack + gear, 110kg all together. I drive about 40km at speeds 50 to 65 kmh and about 45 kmh at speeds 65 to 85 kmh. At work i recharge, its a close call isit full after 8.5 hours. When i arrive at work, the battery meter says its at about 50%, but i dont belive it, because last 30% of battery drains really fast.
By the numbers, 72V battery of 100AmpereHours, out of a battery, 80% is usable, it gives you 5760 Watt hours. Most electric 2 wheelers go 30watt hours to 60watt hours per kilometer. 5760 whatt hours divede to 60whatt hours and you have 96km range. If you drive economicly at 30 whatt hours to km you get range 192km. Thouse numbers are on spot to what i get.
Sum total:
1. 84km commute is duable if you have a possiblity to charge at both ends. EDIT: AT best, some kind or roof, wind/rain protection. Probably bike weather protection cover will do. What you dont want, is to have rain pouring on charger, or direct sunlight, bot can and will cause .. well..fire accident basicly. Also in big citys, security of the place you charge trhe bike, aslo and factor.
2. 25amp charger is really handy, to cut charging times. And i still would use slow charger for occaisions that i can charge overnight to preserve battery for long term use.
3. Driving/handling geometry is just nice, spot on for 180cm new driver. At speeds above 75kmh, i do miss a windshield, and that will be the next project.
4. 120 amp hour battery, if you can get it, is also nice. The little extra that saves the day.
5. Rack at the back, would be nice, but that i can make myself.
6. Manufacture calaming 210km range, at 50kmh is probably achivable with no great effort, my longestr drive between charging so far is 140km, and this is still 5th or 6th full charge, and it takes some time for li-ion battery to achive full potential.
The most important thing; this is commuting capable. Many, many manufacters build bikes for 20 year old elven blue blood millionares, who go off to drive around Los Angeles or Hollywood central, just for fun ands 30km at a time. And while that is possible, 99,99% of customers need electric bikes for something else. That means range, windscreen, cargo rack, a mlittle weather protection for legs, etc. Who can provide it, will be the Henry Ford of our time.
So pelase forget 25000 usd/euro dream cafe racrs, and builf 4000 to 7000 euro electric commuters. And this bike, its close... very close.
6kw hub motor? 😬
Sadly only an option for the richer folks. 6K for.. a plodding 125 level bike. Tis what it is.
…don’t bloody slurp ya tea 😠
I know lol, I hate it too. It is for dramatic effect so you know I am drinking rather than just faking; hence the 'Ahhhh' also.
I want this in black please ......send it to greece .........!!!!!!!
"What the Chinese produce are by no means anywhere near the quality fit for UK standards"
"Now this is powered by a 6kw Dayi moor, which is a company in China........" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lookswise pretty ghastly. And 10-12hrs charging...pass😉
But its promising if that's we are gonna end up on. (Argh, hopefully we can revolt or something by then😉)
Re volt? Brilliant. Merry xmas.
@@davidbesant 😂👍. Merry eggmas🤞
Ill take a kollter instead
Very different style of bike.
Will smith
Yeah electric bike is a no from me,literally take all the best bits away from real motorbike and you have this 🤦🏼♂️
i will never be interested in owning an electric vehicle, it is however interesting. 😉
72v @ 40 amps is still under 3000w so fine for a normal socket 👍