Is there a general "for this archetype the most likely win condition is..." type of thing to start with while working to develop the sense of what our personal win condition is in each situation?
I mean, generally yeah you can say for assassins it's splitpushing or covering splitpushers (thinking about evelynn) so that opponents split and you can pick them; adcs is mostly teamfighting, but there's exceptions such as samira who can split. I think it really depends on the champ's kit itself, and even perhaps on your teamcomp
@@sunfire5518 actually actually most adcs cant split vs most teams. Since splitting is only possible if u can at least 1v1 an enemy. In most cases this is not the case for the adc. So splitting as adc will most likely lead to the adc dieing.
@@mallotm403 yeah, you definitely need some dueling power to split push but what i think sunfire551 meant was side laning to farm and such, not to pressure towers (maybe a bit of pressure since the wave goes bye bye if no one comes but that's about it)
ADCs usually can't split, but anyone can split if the ennemy team is araming mid without paying attention to the sides, that's why we've seen ADCs splitpush in guides on here.
If you watch Coach Curtis, this is what he refers to champion identity, that each champion has their own identity in order to be successful. If we take Vladimir for example, he wants to farm early and not fall behind during the laning phase and once mid game starts, rotate and side lane while he can keep scaling. He also wants to shove out the side lane and rotate to group with his team for team fights, though if the enemy side laners are weaker than him, he can also look for solo kills. This is why it's bad to play many different champions because you don't get to fully grasp their different identities/win cons because you just don't play them enough. Yone is a champion with many win cons for example, which depends a lot on his lane and matchup. In top lane he usually he just wants to chill since he loses most top lane matchups early, and the same is true for mid until level 3 where he can begin to look for trades. But sometimes he can look for very aggressive early plays where he wants to win his lane hard from the get go too. Again that just depends a lot on the matchup. Yone can also be a strong side lane menace similar to how Illaoi was played here but he can also be more of a shove and group style depending on what you want to do in that game and who the enemy side laners are. When to do what is really just something you can only learn from having played the game with that champion a bunch.
Feels like this video was on the right track but failed to make it into a formula since they explained a more multi-step win condition. Win Condition => Lane Phase: Purpose to get the gold/pressure/map opened necessary for x, y, z. Win Condition => Mid Game: Expanding on the previous win condition to setup for x, y, z. Win Condition => Anytime: Using the setup from last win condition to coordinate a final push and destroy nexus. Example. 1st Win Condition: Requirements (Passive Setup, E, Ultimate) Illaoi's win condition is to deny enemy farm in their counter match-up and force jungle pressure off their allies laners in order to give their own jungler a chance to snowball other lanes. 2nd Win Condition: Requirements (Passive Setup, E, Ultimate, Cross Map Objective, Ally Pressure) They use this 1v2 pressure and gold lead once the tower is taken to threaten 1v2/3 pressure on deeper objectives allow their team more time on cross map plays with numbers advantage and the lead of no jungle pressure given earlier from Illaoi's laning phase's win condition. Final Win Condition: Requirements (Passive Setup, E, Ultimate, Cross Map Objective, Ally Pressure) Once Heralds/Dragons have opened the map and it's post-20 they've setup the gold disparity and dragon control enough in order to go for one final split push that will lead to a Dragon Soul or Baron Buff. Afterwards any successful 1v2/3 or Teamfight will enable a team push take the enemy nexus and win the game. Punish Win Condition Enemies either frightful of Illaoi's split push or blind end up ignoring her split push long enough to secure nexus. I think it's very important to have an understanding of the process for winning league of legends so you don't get stuck deciding what to do in the middle of game when options are plentiful (including bad ones) and windows of oppertunity or closing and opening all the time. It'll also help to understand the flow of multi-step win-conditions so you can tell whether your allies can even perform the next step or better how to see your enemies win condition so that if it comes to no cost to you you're able to intervene in their win condition.
@@theterron7857 you gotta start using your brain a little. The video literally implied everything this guy just said in the video. You shouldn't need every detail explained to you like a child
My first season was season 11. I’m a mid player and I started my ranked climb at Bronze IV (I know. very low) and I stayed there for a long time. Eventually, I got to Bronze III but it took most of the season and I was very stuck after that pinging between IV and III. However, I ended last season in Silver III and it happened pretty much all at once at the end. I went on absurd win streaks which was surprising because I only changed three things: 1) I played one and only one, simple champion. I used to play all kinds of things TF, Zed, Talon, Ekko, Orianna, Galio, etc. Honestly, the list was large. Now, I play Annie. I had gone almost a whole season where my most played champion had 20 games. I’m now approaching 200 on Annie and lemme tell you, it makes a difference. Feeling comfortable and at home in a champion you know well, helps so much. Every skill improved all at once: cs, matchups, wave manipulation, roaming, objective control, skirmishing, lane fights, 1v1s. 2) I stopped throwing away leads and let the enemy throw theirs. The tip really woke me up when I heard it. I was told “Don’t force things to happen. It’s low elo, the opportunities will come to you. People mess up often, you just gotta be able to see it.” Misposition there, bad fight here, objective given there. No vision, throw away self-peel ability. I would just clutch onto any opportunity given. I was surprised how often that secured leads or flipped games 3) Like this video says: win conditions. Reminding myself which actions mean victory constantly helped not only help me decide what to do or react appropriately but kept me on track. No more throwing a game because for one second I forgot what my goal is. I was surprised it was that simple. No other special tricks. Every other skill came naturally over time. One, simple to grasp champion. Patience. Win conditions. Jumped up a whole tier. Hopefully, I can get to gold this time around. Felt so far before but now it feels so close.
Hey SC, can you do a win-condition video of a random Gold game, where you identify who’s fed, their win conditions, and how they throw away these opportunities in game? That would be great to see!
opinions on this please, as win cond. for riven: Winning lane: -Bully enemy top and classic side lane pressure Losing lane: -Try to go for solo picks with some 3rd Q wall jumps and play a bit like an assasin -Just fight 2v2 and outplay evading skill shots -Flash 3rd Q to a really good engage in a team fight Im otp riven stucked in plat 4 for 3 years xD but this season is the first time I really feel like I wanna improve
Skill capped I love your guys' videos. You've made a lot of stuff that helps me, but I have one question. You've made videos about how to carry when behind, how to do this and that, but you've never made a video about what to do when you're ahead. In a lot of games I find myself a lot of gold and XP ahead as a top laner, but never know how to close out my games. Could you make a video about this?
5:18 yeah that is the issue with many of this videos. I don't think you realize how coinflippy this situation is. You could very easily die here as oriana and you won't get in such position as oriana either. Like wtf you almost died here as illaoi (sylas had no ult to use). If you had orianna ult they would just cc chain you Edit. Also I had to look at it couple times because for some reason you played this fight really fast, but I am pretty sure sylas missed his E.
Great video! However, think the title is a bit misleading. I would call it: the importance of your personal wincon. Still no idea how to determine the wincon per game (understand that this almost impossible to teach to a hardstuck platinum guy).
He is, though he forces 1v1s out of 1v2s and 1v3s. That's why he's such a terrible champion late game since he can't really front line like other juggernauts can, because as soon as he ults someone he disappears with the person he ult'd. So he's just generally a lot better going to a side lane chilling while doing his thing.
@@Kamishi845 Which means that his actual lategame win condition is to splitpush right? Any champion that has the ability to trade up 1v1 like Fiora requires the enemy team to either send their best to deal with you or to collapse on your lane, and Morde can basically make that an even 1 for 1 trade every time with his ult, since he's garbage at teamfights anyways that means he can at least remove one big threat from the enemy side in exchange for dying to the rest, or ideally just sweep the one guy that comes after him and then go hunting for their towers again with the bonus stats he just stole from them.
Get free harass on the enemy bot lane, track the enemy jungle and ward before he might arrive, occasionally roam top or mid in backs/deaths, and empower the win condition of whoever on your team has the highest overall damage potential.
i am not sure what kassadin win con is, he cant split unless feed or late game he cant teamfight unless feed or late game and he cant win lane in almost all matchups, is his win con just farm??
Just try to reach lvl16 asap. Then you can fight at all events. I play Kassadin pretty often atm, bc he is very op due to mage items like crown... And the thing I always does is (like the other guy already said) just survive in lane and keep farming until you can do something else, which can also be earlier in the game if you got fed through farming and some pick offs maybe. After lvl11 for example you skill your ult second time which means you will be definetly more helpful to your Team in the next fights coming up:)
Win conditions also take into account your team, and the enemy team. There is no win condition for sion, but knowing whether in the game you are needed as a split pusher, tank, engager or full damage, works toward what your win con is.
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@@raynorplayz4731 thanks. but i am asking as in the video, they told what is the specific condition for a solo q player without their team. For example for ilaoi he completle explains what is his win condition, without his team.
@ You misunderstood; your wincon CAN include your team ("I need to frontline") the idea is not getting tricked out of your own personal wincon. In game A you could identify, based on team comp, "My wincon this game is splitpush". In game B you identify the wincon is "I need to engage"; you need to stick to that. It can be flexible based on context too, if you get turbo-inted you can pivot to "I need to force them to answer my push", or you int and your wincon becomes "Live long enough for my team to do some damage at objectives". Look at (most) ADCs; their wincon basically always has to include teammates by default because of the nature of the role ("My wincon is to attack while X, Y, Z peel and frontline"). This is one of the reasons ADC agency is the lowest in the game. A few can trasition into splitpushers (eg- Lucian) when fed, or engagers if they have the right ult for it (eg- Aphelios R root) but most are resigned to relying on allies.
the difference between illaoi and other assassins is that even if you get ganked by nautilus and ornn and caitlyn and hecarim at the same time you would still win
the problem is that in solo Q even if you try to stick to your known win condition, there'll be times where you may fall for the wrong decisions. like if you play a juggernaut top like mordekaiser/sett/darius, your win condition is to win your lane early since these champs are very powerful early game and become giant raidbosses that noone can really stop. but then you see your team doing a dumb teamfight ( usually in soloQ) and they blame you for not dying like and idiot alongside them.now instead of sticking to your splitpushing raidboss win condition you have to aram with your team cause their ego might implode and start trolling/go afk/ff. or start chasing very mobile champs as an immobile champ yourself. let the enemies come to you , not the other way
Honestly, 99% of the time I see my fed top laner grouping because they just lack mid game macro and fail to understand what they are supposed to do in order to keep extending their existing lead. Rarely if ever do I see people flame the top laner for not grouping, but if anything it frustrates me to no end that once the top tower falls, my top laner decides he is going to chill in mid with me and my bot lane, which fucks up everything come mid. As a result the massive lead is thrown away as they keep sharing xp and farm while trying to ARAM. For once I'd love to see my fucking top laner actually keep pressuring their lane instead of turning into a headless chicken once laning phase ends.
@@Kamishi845 i guess those players aren't true toplaners lul. most toplane players, myself included play for ourselves, so we can get strong and carry side-lane or in teamfights ocasionaly. i try to win my lane earlygame with a strong earlygame champ ( Sett/Volibear/Pantheon) then extend my lead by taking enemy jungle camps, keep pushing, assert preasure sidelane or roam mid or for dragon, but ofc before i have to crash the wave into the enemy tower so it bounces back when i return top. but if you play a teamfight tank top you should group a lot cause well, that's your main win condition
Anivia's wave clear and battle field control means she loves sieges. Mid being the default place people go for teamfights/sieges means if she can keep it, she'll scale quickly AND have the teamfights she wants. It also means less control for her opponents if her tier 1 is up.
@@harrycheng Yup. Also applies in reverse. The further you can push up as Anivia, they get pushed further away from your tier 1 because they never have minions get there.
@@tadehansen8046 Pretty sure he needs Ignite to be able to do that. Hecarim with his W can heal a lot and if Sylas does damage it heal him even more. I'm not saying that it's a good gank, but a bruiser doesn't get killed by an assassin with no items. The correct play from Hecarim would have would have been to get one more camp to get 6 before the gank or just push the wave with Sylas without going ham to both get 6. But the biggest issue I see in this clip is the Hecarim being 2 levels down the Mid laner, which shows how garbage the elo of the game is.
Depends on the jungler and the matchups. Junglers want to facilitate their laners as much as possible but also focus on themselves. Eve wants to hit level 6 as soon as possible for example, and then just use her ult to execute low targets. In comparison Lee Sin is an early aggressive jungler and wants to look for 2v2 skirmishes he can win early like around scuttles and other objectives. I think timers are very important when playing Lee Sin, and just a good sense of tempo. A good Lee Sin can completely set the tempo of the game and never give it back. Viego is flexible but is a glorified Master Yi in that he wants to clean up low enemies to get his passive reset and just cockblock the enemy team, so he prefers chaotic game states so it's easier for him to get the reset he needs. It doesn't mean it should be a complete fiesta, but Viego values fighting as long as it's favorable to him. Since he has low mobility and a bad cc he also prefers going to lanes that can set up cc for him. Compare to Diana who can skirmish but really shines the best in team fights etc.
that's actually how I try to play but I always get distracted and go help some teammate and die with him. I play garen and most of the time my win condition is to win lane and pressure the sidelane but when im against a champ I can't sidelane against like camille or fiora I try to flank and one shot the adc of mid sometimes if im behind I try to just peal by building a little tankier and silencing their diver and shreding their armor for my adc with and slowing them with stridebreaker
@@loafofbread9400 yea thats the general rule... bt wat if no one is carrying XD thats my main problem.. i tend to have alot of first timers or autofills in my team vs ontricks or smurfs.... so how do i chose who to focus on if no one it doing well
@@mihavodnik9396 big problem with people i see alot is thinking support is a helpless role and i guarntee you(if its low elo) tjey are just as terrible as team, keep in mind i only play rell into high damage team, if not its swain or senna
As a support main when i get my mythic item i usually just look at who has the most kills on my team and follow Them/support Them for the rest of the game or follow someone Else if they get more kills
I don't think is usually the right thing to do, not with any supp at least. If you are Yuumi then i guess that is what you'd like to do, but if you are any other kind of support other than enchanters then you are usually just sucking away experience from another laner and exposing your ADC to a 1v2. Just phisically being there as a supp can change the interaction with the enemy and make them think twice about engaging. If I see a low gold ADC that is pushing it's luck by farming sidelanes because his supp left him favoring another fed laner then I am going to jump that ADC every time it pops up on the map.
As a main Support the problem with that role is that it's really impossible to carry games (while a Jungler can feed himself with camps at least). That means every SkillCapped videos are literally useless for us since you could be a LEC Support, you won't be able to win games at the lower elos where no lane is doing good.
@@arsgrimori3592 but i feel like staying with my adc is useless unless they have the most kills. Also i leave my adc once they have their item too so i Think thats where i Can leave, and i Dont REALLY take all the xp cause when i follow the “carry of the team” laning is an after thought since most people are gonna go for teamfighting and objectives
@@supportmain8509 yea the main problem with the support role is that your too reliant on your mates. you can't win the game, you have to do everything in your will to make someone do it for you, making it the worst role to climb
Get 12 cs a minute and a few solo kills in lane before min 15. That's actually true win condition for almost any champion. That will put you so far ahead.
watched first 6 sec and all i have to say is that you need to switch to darkmode on youtube, bright mode almost put me in the hospital in that comment clip
Waste as much of their time as possible while teamates farm/push elsewhere or do that yourself. Exploit the fact they're only able to influence a small part of the map at a time
Yesyes thats why i struggle with winconditions when playing graves often its just an adc lets be real. In these splitpush comps he is kinda good you can shadow the irelia or smth like this. But his teamfights arent that insane when you not have your defensive items bt and shieldbow i mean. Thats why i want riot to give graves back MR cause that was always a nice and easy wincondition cause it was so good in teamfights. Atm idk what to do sometimes. I mean i can still farm and 2shot everyone lategame thats a good wincondition too... but idk
McBaze approach to Illaoi is very interesting. DirtyMobs has actually mentioned that he feels Illaoi is not nearly as bad grouping up for teamfights as people think she is. However, I definitely do not think McBaze's take is as black and white as 'never group ever', either. Mobs mentions that sometimes you do, sometimes you don't, and a lot of that has to do with how much of the team's potential you actually are. If you are essentially THE team then it stands to reason that if your team wants to seriously group for anything you need to be there or they stand no chance. But I have also ran into plenty of instances where it was better to just take my lead and run it through a lane by myself dragging the enemy to me simply because my team has shown zero ability to make serious, committed team decisions.
I honestly think this type of video is what makes solo queue even worse. I understand this was just The illaoi win con, but if you aren’t a Smurf and you aren’t insanely fed, this mentality can actively lose you games. There should’ve been more examples, for mid to late game, or even early game champs that want to rotate with their team and take objectives.
@@agseba124 The "Forget the team, push my lane, stay in my lane, the game is my lane" Mentality. Works if you are ahead, on a Champ that can handle 1v3 when ahead. Fails in every other situation.
It would be great if you made this video based off a game in your elo in challenger or something. This is just you shitting on gold players, it's not teaching the concept well. If you showed us challenger replays of you identifying win cons it would be much more helpful.
@@teteualmeida00 what time stamp? It doesn't matter what rank you're in, win con is win con. It would just be better if he analyzed a high elo game instead of a low elo one cause that way it'll show what the enemy would want to do for their win con. It will at least look like a challenge to get to your win con. This game was not a challenge at all. It's fucking boring to watch.
@@stanza2768 3 min but you probably should watch and understand the video... the example shows he executing his champ win con inteasd of playing to execute as a team con is dat simply and it is what you should try to model on low elos
@@teteualmeida00 no mention on low vs high elo at 3 mins. nothing in the entire video actually. idk what ur referring to. the example is him executing his champ win con, but do you think the fucking 0/20 sylas knew how to play around the illaoi? fuck no. it's unrealistic of what a real game scenario would be. if the sylas was also challenger, he would know how to play around the illaoi. maybe he could have swapped lanes with the ranged urgot. maybe he would have played around the tentacles and illaoi E better. the point is, it's incredibly stupid to use a low elo example to demonstrate win con because this guy knows what he's doing and what he wants to do while the other laner knows NOTHING. it's an uneven starting ground and it's not actually beneficial for anyone watching unless you're also smurfing.
Wait a Secon Skill Caped you make that Video Way to Hard to understand for Players. Guys all what he means is that you shold Pic Conter champs to conter other champs you shold not care if you have funn in game or not just pic conter champs and try to win and understand the lane and the rest.
win condition depends on the game, so if your comp can teamfight well you want to tank for them, or if you have good splitpushers you'll want to make plays with a numbers advantage
Idk if i should watch this video... win condition is top in theory. He ints. Wincondition bot they are both filled... i mean there are in theory a lot of winconditions but soloq is so fuking random and you dont know who is drunk or who is sober atm. So winconditions are really cute if you want to act like you are good for your duo mate but soloq is sooo random that only win condition is only yourself maybe until master or so... this video is good for teamcaptains in a group of 5 clash or so but soloq way too random change my mind if you want
This video isn't very good. First you play Illaoi mid, versus a guy who plays worse than average at this elo or just doesn't know anything about Illaoi. You got huge "weird pick advantage". Secondly your team is winning anyway. Even Jinx Yuumi is winning versus Caitlyn Nautilus Hecarim which should never happen.
Good video but your thinking that way if my team dose wtf they're supposed to do. You have no videos on if your team feeds or doesn't know wtf to do and thinks loosing is fun. Or your adc and the enemy team comes your team ignores it and wants no part of it. When ur MMR is bad you can't get out of low ELO iron or 🥉 when ur team is double digit deaths in less than 15mins. You tell me how to recover from that on a constant basis. Dc running it down flames trolling you can't climb YOU and ur team have NO CLUE the B's we have to put up with down here is us peasants are not worthy
In low elo I would play a trynd (mid jungle top) mute everyone and just focus on your play style. Understand that in order to climb you need to win just slightly more than you lose.
You are right... and you are SOOOOOOOO wrong. Yes, rito made this game in this way, that its not really multiplayer now. It would be more creative to make us play vs bots rly... but IT IS SO WRONG. In the end you will play 1v9 more then 5v5 so, by rito, you should just ignore all your team... its closerto deathmatch. SO FUCKING WAIST OF TIME.
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Is there a general "for this archetype the most likely win condition is..." type of thing to start with while working to develop the sense of what our personal win condition is in each situation?
I mean, generally yeah you can say for assassins it's splitpushing or covering splitpushers (thinking about evelynn) so that opponents split and you can pick them; adcs is mostly teamfighting, but there's exceptions such as samira who can split. I think it really depends on the champ's kit itself, and even perhaps on your teamcomp
@@alessandrozucchelli4090 actually every adc has to split to a certain extend. You can see that in some guides here too.
@@sunfire5518 actually actually most adcs cant split vs most teams. Since splitting is only possible if u can at least 1v1 an enemy. In most cases this is not the case for the adc. So splitting as adc will most likely lead to the adc dieing.
@@mallotm403 yeah, you definitely need some dueling power to split push
but what i think sunfire551 meant was side laning to farm and such, not to pressure towers (maybe a bit of pressure since the wave goes bye bye if no one comes but that's about it)
ADCs usually can't split, but anyone can split if the ennemy team is araming mid without paying attention to the sides, that's why we've seen ADCs splitpush in guides on here.
Good video. Liked that it just wasn’t a team fight guide or split push o. Overall helped me to look for win con depending on my champ and team comp.
If you watch Coach Curtis, this is what he refers to champion identity, that each champion has their own identity in order to be successful. If we take Vladimir for example, he wants to farm early and not fall behind during the laning phase and once mid game starts, rotate and side lane while he can keep scaling. He also wants to shove out the side lane and rotate to group with his team for team fights, though if the enemy side laners are weaker than him, he can also look for solo kills.
This is why it's bad to play many different champions because you don't get to fully grasp their different identities/win cons because you just don't play them enough.
Yone is a champion with many win cons for example, which depends a lot on his lane and matchup. In top lane he usually he just wants to chill since he loses most top lane matchups early, and the same is true for mid until level 3 where he can begin to look for trades. But sometimes he can look for very aggressive early plays where he wants to win his lane hard from the get go too. Again that just depends a lot on the matchup. Yone can also be a strong side lane menace similar to how Illaoi was played here but he can also be more of a shove and group style depending on what you want to do in that game and who the enemy side laners are. When to do what is really just something you can only learn from having played the game with that champion a bunch.
Feels like this video was on the right track but failed to make it into a formula since they explained a more multi-step win condition.
Win Condition => Lane Phase: Purpose to get the gold/pressure/map opened necessary for x, y, z.
Win Condition => Mid Game: Expanding on the previous win condition to setup for x, y, z.
Win Condition => Anytime: Using the setup from last win condition to coordinate a final push and destroy nexus.
Example.
1st Win Condition: Requirements (Passive Setup, E, Ultimate)
Illaoi's win condition is to deny enemy farm in their counter match-up and force jungle pressure off their allies laners in order to give their own jungler a chance to snowball other lanes.
2nd Win Condition: Requirements (Passive Setup, E, Ultimate, Cross Map Objective, Ally Pressure)
They use this 1v2 pressure and gold lead once the tower is taken to threaten 1v2/3 pressure on deeper objectives allow their team more time on cross map plays with numbers advantage and the lead of no jungle pressure given earlier from Illaoi's laning phase's win condition.
Final Win Condition: Requirements (Passive Setup, E, Ultimate, Cross Map Objective, Ally Pressure)
Once Heralds/Dragons have opened the map and it's post-20 they've setup the gold disparity and dragon control enough in order to go for one final split push that will lead to a Dragon Soul or Baron Buff. Afterwards any successful 1v2/3 or Teamfight will enable a team push take the enemy nexus and win the game.
Punish Win Condition
Enemies either frightful of Illaoi's split push or blind end up ignoring her split push long enough to secure nexus.
I think it's very important to have an understanding of the process for winning league of legends so you don't get stuck deciding what to do in the middle of game when options are plentiful (including bad ones) and windows of oppertunity or closing and opening all the time. It'll also help to understand the flow of multi-step win-conditions so you can tell whether your allies can even perform the next step or better how to see your enemies win condition so that if it comes to no cost to you you're able to intervene in their win condition.
your comment helped me more than the video, ty
@@theterron7857 you gotta start using your brain a little. The video literally implied everything this guy just said in the video. You shouldn't need every detail explained to you like a child
@@oAZTECKx1 Alright dude tell that superiority complex of yours to calm down
@@glacialblast2588 alright sorry, calm down superiority inside of me that doesn't need my hand held through every sentence explained to me.
@@oAZTECKx1 😐
My first season was season 11. I’m a mid player and I started my ranked climb at Bronze IV (I know. very low) and I stayed there for a long time. Eventually, I got to Bronze III but it took most of the season and I was very stuck after that pinging between IV and III. However, I ended last season in Silver III and it happened pretty much all at once at the end. I went on absurd win streaks which was surprising because I only changed three things:
1) I played one and only one, simple champion. I used to play all kinds of things TF, Zed, Talon, Ekko, Orianna, Galio, etc. Honestly, the list was large. Now, I play Annie. I had gone almost a whole season where my most played champion had 20 games. I’m now approaching 200 on Annie and lemme tell you, it makes a difference. Feeling comfortable and at home in a champion you know well, helps so much. Every skill improved all at once: cs, matchups, wave manipulation, roaming, objective control, skirmishing, lane fights, 1v1s.
2) I stopped throwing away leads and let the enemy throw theirs. The tip really woke me up when I heard it. I was told “Don’t force things to happen. It’s low elo, the opportunities will come to you. People mess up often, you just gotta be able to see it.” Misposition there, bad fight here, objective given there. No vision, throw away self-peel ability. I would just clutch onto any opportunity given. I was surprised how often that secured leads or flipped games
3) Like this video says: win conditions. Reminding myself which actions mean victory constantly helped not only help me decide what to do or react appropriately but kept me on track. No more throwing a game because for one second I forgot what my goal is.
I was surprised it was that simple. No other special tricks. Every other skill came naturally over time. One, simple to grasp champion. Patience. Win conditions. Jumped up a whole tier. Hopefully, I can get to gold this time around. Felt so far before but now it feels so close.
Hey SC, can you do a win-condition video of a random Gold game, where you identify who’s fed, their win conditions, and how they throw away these opportunities in game? That would be great to see!
They did something like this sometime ago, if you search on their channel you should find it.
opinions on this please, as win cond. for riven:
Winning lane:
-Bully enemy top and classic side lane pressure
Losing lane:
-Try to go for solo picks with some 3rd Q wall jumps and play a bit like an assasin
-Just fight 2v2 and outplay evading skill shots
-Flash 3rd Q to a really good engage in a team fight
Im otp riven stucked in plat 4 for 3 years xD but this season is the first time I really feel like I wanna improve
This is pretty good. Would love to see more of this kind of content. Thank you.
This is soooooooo goood and this is such an important fundamental to understand as early as possible, for sure linking this to my low elo friends
Skill capped I love your guys' videos. You've made a lot of stuff that helps me, but I have one question. You've made videos about how to carry when behind, how to do this and that, but you've never made a video about what to do when you're ahead. In a lot of games I find myself a lot of gold and XP ahead as a top laner, but never know how to close out my games. Could you make a video about this?
5:18 yeah that is the issue with many of this videos. I don't think you realize how coinflippy this situation is. You could very easily die here as oriana and you won't get in such position as oriana either. Like wtf you almost died here as illaoi (sylas had no ult to use). If you had orianna ult they would just cc chain you
Edit. Also I had to look at it couple times because for some reason you played this fight really fast, but I am pretty sure sylas missed his E.
Hello, will we have every the basic win conditions of champs on your site pls ?
Great video! However, think the title is a bit misleading. I would call it: the importance of your personal wincon. Still no idea how to determine the wincon per game (understand that this almost impossible to teach to a hardstuck platinum guy).
one of the best videos you ever made
I feel like Mordekaiser is similar to Illaoi in terms of win condition? Am I wrong?
He is, though he forces 1v1s out of 1v2s and 1v3s. That's why he's such a terrible champion late game since he can't really front line like other juggernauts can, because as soon as he ults someone he disappears with the person he ult'd. So he's just generally a lot better going to a side lane chilling while doing his thing.
@@Kamishi845 Which means that his actual lategame win condition is to splitpush right?
Any champion that has the ability to trade up 1v1 like Fiora requires the enemy team to either send their best to deal with you or to collapse on your lane, and Morde can basically make that an even 1 for 1 trade every time with his ult, since he's garbage at teamfights anyways that means he can at least remove one big threat from the enemy side in exchange for dying to the rest, or ideally just sweep the one guy that comes after him and then go hunting for their towers again with the bonus stats he just stole from them.
i would like to know winconditions for lulu/soraka and espacially yuumi if the whole team is pretty bad…
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Open netflix on your second monitor and wait for the FF 😂
If the ENTIRE team is bad ,enchanters will probably do nothing
After many years in low elo the best win con is learn a broken champ like Jax irelia and 1v9 ur game
Get free harass on the enemy bot lane, track the enemy jungle and ward before he might arrive, occasionally roam top or mid in backs/deaths, and empower the win condition of whoever on your team has the highest overall damage potential.
Very useful video, thanks
Illaoi gaming, oneshotting enemy wave and basically standing under enemy tower
wait... q max on illaoi? shouldnt it be e max? ive been away from league for a while though.
i am not sure what kassadin win con is, he cant split unless feed or late game he cant teamfight unless feed or late game and he cant win lane in almost all matchups, is his win con just farm??
Survive. If Kassadin survives the laning phase he won, pretty much.
Just try to reach lvl16 asap. Then you can fight at all events. I play Kassadin pretty often atm, bc he is very op due to mage items like crown... And the thing I always does is (like the other guy already said) just survive in lane and keep farming until you can do something else, which can also be earlier in the game if you got fed through farming and some pick offs maybe. After lvl11 for example you skill your ult second time which means you will be definetly more helpful to your Team in the next fights coming up:)
I feel like every adc has the same win condition Wich is survive do some DMG take objectives.
all they need to do is to deal damage when the team needs it
Awesome video!. What would be a win condition for Sion? Split and then team fight with ult?
Win conditions also take into account your team, and the enemy team. There is no win condition for sion, but knowing whether in the game you are needed as a split pusher, tank, engager or full damage, works toward what your win con is.
@@raynorplayz4731 thanks. but i am asking as in the video, they told what is the specific condition for a solo q player without their team. For example for ilaoi he completle explains what is his win condition, without his team.
@ You misunderstood; your wincon CAN include your team ("I need to frontline") the idea is not getting tricked out of your own personal wincon.
In game A you could identify, based on team comp, "My wincon this game is splitpush". In game B you identify the wincon is "I need to engage"; you need to stick to that. It can be flexible based on context too, if you get turbo-inted you can pivot to "I need to force them to answer my push", or you int and your wincon becomes "Live long enough for my team to do some damage at objectives".
Look at (most) ADCs; their wincon basically always has to include teammates by default because of the nature of the role ("My wincon is to attack while X, Y, Z peel and frontline"). This is one of the reasons ADC agency is the lowest in the game. A few can trasition into splitpushers (eg- Lucian) when fed, or engagers if they have the right ult for it (eg- Aphelios R root) but most are resigned to relying on allies.
I just had a guy in my game pick illaoi into my Viktor. Creamed him, he said mcbaze lied. I said nah fam you'd to yourself
how do i know what is champions win condition?
the difference between illaoi and other assassins is that even if you get ganked by nautilus and ornn and caitlyn and hecarim at the same time you would still win
the problem is that in solo Q even if you try to stick to your known win condition, there'll be times where you may fall for the wrong decisions. like if you play a juggernaut top like mordekaiser/sett/darius, your win condition is to win your lane early since these champs are very powerful early game and become giant raidbosses that noone can really stop. but then you see your team doing a dumb teamfight ( usually in soloQ) and they blame you for not dying like and idiot alongside them.now instead of sticking to your splitpushing raidboss win condition you have to aram with your team cause their ego might implode and start trolling/go afk/ff. or start chasing very mobile champs as an immobile champ yourself. let the enemies come to you , not the other way
NA? xd
Honestly, 99% of the time I see my fed top laner grouping because they just lack mid game macro and fail to understand what they are supposed to do in order to keep extending their existing lead. Rarely if ever do I see people flame the top laner for not grouping, but if anything it frustrates me to no end that once the top tower falls, my top laner decides he is going to chill in mid with me and my bot lane, which fucks up everything come mid. As a result the massive lead is thrown away as they keep sharing xp and farm while trying to ARAM.
For once I'd love to see my fucking top laner actually keep pressuring their lane instead of turning into a headless chicken once laning phase ends.
@@Kamishi845 i guess those players aren't true toplaners lul. most toplane players, myself included play for ourselves, so we can get strong and carry side-lane or in teamfights ocasionaly. i try to win my lane earlygame with a strong earlygame champ ( Sett/Volibear/Pantheon) then extend my lead by taking enemy jungle camps, keep pushing, assert preasure sidelane or roam mid or for dragon, but ofc before i have to crash the wave into the enemy tower so it bounces back when i return top. but if you play a teamfight tank top you should group a lot cause well, that's your main win condition
Why is Anivia's win condition to keep mid t1 tower up?
Anivia's wave clear and battle field control means she loves sieges. Mid being the default place people go for teamfights/sieges means if she can keep it, she'll scale quickly AND have the teamfights she wants. It also means less control for her opponents if her tier 1 is up.
@@ggpt9641thanks for the input. So basically let people come siege our mid tower and Anivia can fight easily?
@@harrycheng Yup. Also applies in reverse. The further you can push up as Anivia, they get pushed further away from your tier 1 because they never have minions get there.
Is no one going to talk about the barrier heal ornn top?
Awesome video :)
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@@stormdragon2529 two Aurelion Sol mains in the same video? Impossible
@@stormdragon2529 my son
Love how he never says how he stomped the game
"If I'm Fizz or any Assassin I can one-shot Hecarim" 😂😂😂
#SkillCapedElo
Windy in bronze ?
@@Happojee Rainy in NA's iron?
Bruh any Zed or Fizz would oneshot This heca shown on lvl5 If ult is up
@@tadehansen8046 Pretty sure he needs Ignite to be able to do that. Hecarim with his W can heal a lot and if Sylas does damage it heal him even more.
I'm not saying that it's a good gank, but a bruiser doesn't get killed by an assassin with no items.
The correct play from Hecarim would have would have been to get one more camp to get 6 before the gank or just push the wave with Sylas without going ham to both get 6.
But the biggest issue I see in this clip is the Hecarim being 2 levels down the Mid laner, which shows how garbage the elo of the game is.
@@lamineboutaleb Funny how you think that you know better than him.
Can you make the same video but for junglers since I think it's much different for them.
Depends on the jungler and the matchups. Junglers want to facilitate their laners as much as possible but also focus on themselves. Eve wants to hit level 6 as soon as possible for example, and then just use her ult to execute low targets. In comparison Lee Sin is an early aggressive jungler and wants to look for 2v2 skirmishes he can win early like around scuttles and other objectives. I think timers are very important when playing Lee Sin, and just a good sense of tempo. A good Lee Sin can completely set the tempo of the game and never give it back. Viego is flexible but is a glorified Master Yi in that he wants to clean up low enemies to get his passive reset and just cockblock the enemy team, so he prefers chaotic game states so it's easier for him to get the reset he needs. It doesn't mean it should be a complete fiesta, but Viego values fighting as long as it's favorable to him. Since he has low mobility and a bad cc he also prefers going to lanes that can set up cc for him. Compare to Diana who can skirmish but really shines the best in team fights etc.
that's actually how I try to play but I always get distracted and go help some teammate and die with him. I play garen and most of the time my win condition is to win lane and pressure the sidelane but when im against a champ I can't sidelane against like camille or fiora I try to flank and one shot the adc of mid
sometimes if im behind I try to just peal by building a little tankier and silencing their diver and shreding their armor for my adc with and slowing them with stridebreaker
I wish I was confident enough to push like that
So wat would be a supports solo win cons? Especialy supports that cant carry with damage and is more reliant on team to do the damage
Roam, follow whos carrying, get good engages, if you play properly you will rank up
My smurf went from unranked to p3 only rell
@@loafofbread9400 yea thats the general rule... bt wat if no one is carrying XD thats my main problem.. i tend to have alot of first timers or autofills in my team vs ontricks or smurfs.... so how do i chose who to focus on if no one it doing well
@@mihavodnik9396 if nobody is doing well, create opportunites for your team to do well, vision control and engages
@@mihavodnik9396 big problem with people i see alot is thinking support is a helpless role and i guarntee you(if its low elo) tjey are just as terrible as team, keep in mind i only play rell into high damage team, if not its swain or senna
What about if u were someone like malz
As a support main when i get my mythic item i usually just look at who has the most kills on my team and follow Them/support Them for the rest of the game or follow someone Else if they get more kills
I don't think is usually the right thing to do, not with any supp at least. If you are Yuumi then i guess that is what you'd like to do, but if you are any other kind of support other than enchanters then you are usually just sucking away experience from another laner and exposing your ADC to a 1v2. Just phisically being there as a supp can change the interaction with the enemy and make them think twice about engaging. If I see a low gold ADC that is pushing it's luck by farming sidelanes because his supp left him favoring another fed laner then I am going to jump that ADC every time it pops up on the map.
As a main Support the problem with that role is that it's really impossible to carry games (while a Jungler can feed himself with camps at least). That means every SkillCapped videos are literally useless for us since you could be a LEC Support, you won't be able to win games at the lower elos where no lane is doing good.
@@arkahique thats why i prefer to use all my support to the carry and buy items that g’ets my carry stronger
@@arsgrimori3592 but i feel like staying with my adc is useless unless they have the most kills. Also i leave my adc once they have their item too so i Think thats where i Can leave, and i Dont REALLY take all the xp cause when i follow the “carry of the team” laning is an after thought since most people are gonna go for teamfighting and objectives
@@supportmain8509 yea the main problem with the support role is that your too reliant on your mates. you can't win the game, you have to do everything in your will to make someone do it for you, making it the worst role to climb
"What does my champion do good at? How does this help break objectives?"
It'd be great if you do a vWIN CONDITION IDENTIFY as a jungler !!
What is kata win condition?
Roam, clean-up, snowball
Tp bot
fiora guide pls
My only problem is when i do this i get hard flamed by my teammates for not joining in teamfights
question: how to win when your team ignores dragons, towers and herald on purpose?
You dont
If ur playing a mage ,u don't .if something else u can probably split .idk I'm not expert
you play sion and you perma push like a madman
Get 12 cs a minute and a few solo kills in lane before min 15.
That's actually true win condition for almost any champion. That will put you so far ahead.
@@Русские_вперед and a very realistic and reproducible as well
watched first 6 sec and all i have to say is that you need to switch to darkmode on youtube, bright mode almost put me in the hospital in that comment clip
8:20 i didnt buy boots
My team's win condition is to have one player who's name is either Gamer Tanker, or SaltyastheOcean
what can i do when the enemy team is never alone like they always group and they are never alone
Waste as much of their time as possible while teamates farm/push elsewhere or do that yourself. Exploit the fact they're only able to influence a small part of the map at a time
I mostly try to support the Guy who is the strongest as support.
Yesyes thats why i struggle with winconditions when playing graves often its just an adc lets be real. In these splitpush comps he is kinda good you can shadow the irelia or smth like this. But his teamfights arent that insane when you not have your defensive items bt and shieldbow i mean. Thats why i want riot to give graves back MR cause that was always a nice and easy wincondition cause it was so good in teamfights. Atm idk what to do sometimes. I mean i can still farm and 2shot everyone lategame thats a good wincondition too... but idk
Video was good 👍 but his example was a game he played in gold 1… hoping he got farther than that 😂
win condition for every champion: outplay the enemy like mcbaze and got super fed, then carry
a trully iron master
McBaze approach to Illaoi is very interesting. DirtyMobs has actually mentioned that he feels Illaoi is not nearly as bad grouping up for teamfights as people think she is.
However, I definitely do not think McBaze's take is as black and white as 'never group ever', either. Mobs mentions that sometimes you do, sometimes you don't, and a lot of that has to do with how much of the team's potential you actually are. If you are essentially THE team then it stands to reason that if your team wants to seriously group for anything you need to be there or they stand no chance.
But I have also ran into plenty of instances where it was better to just take my lead and run it through a lane by myself dragging the enemy to me simply because my team has shown zero ability to make serious, committed team decisions.
i am bronze 2 adc and half of the time if i am not able to scale as aphelios i lose
Irelia’s win condition is playing Irelia.
Tyler "Big T" 1 is the win con, but he is also greatest weakside player ever alive so...
Aaaand this is why I permabanned Illaoi in Bronze kek
League has changed a lot, y’all should redo this for s14
Yay
meanwhile his team only died 10 times the entire time… what if you have an inting team? they wont ff and will
5v1 you in late game
if that's the worst champion in the game, imagine the best
the win condition is not buy boots xD
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I honestly think this type of video is what makes solo queue even worse. I understand this was just The illaoi win con, but if you aren’t a Smurf and you aren’t insanely fed, this mentality can actively lose you games. There should’ve been more examples, for mid to late game, or even early game champs that want to rotate with their team and take objectives.
what mentality ? what?!
@@agseba124 The "Forget the team, push my lane, stay in my lane, the game is my lane" Mentality. Works if you are ahead, on a Champ that can handle 1v3 when ahead.
Fails in every other situation.
why no more translate
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It would be great if you made this video based off a game in your elo in challenger or something. This is just you shitting on gold players, it's not teaching the concept well. If you showed us challenger replays of you identifying win cons it would be much more helpful.
what you mean? he expressed why challenger games wouldn't be useful.
Wtf? Why would he show u chall game if the guide is for low elo players
@@teteualmeida00 what time stamp? It doesn't matter what rank you're in, win con is win con. It would just be better if he analyzed a high elo game instead of a low elo one cause that way it'll show what the enemy would want to do for their win con. It will at least look like a challenge to get to your win con. This game was not a challenge at all. It's fucking boring to watch.
@@stanza2768 3 min but you probably should watch and understand the video... the example shows he executing his champ win con inteasd of playing to execute as a team con is dat simply and it is what you should try to model on low elos
@@teteualmeida00 no mention on low vs high elo at 3 mins. nothing in the entire video actually. idk what ur referring to. the example is him executing his champ win con, but do you think the fucking 0/20 sylas knew how to play around the illaoi? fuck no. it's unrealistic of what a real game scenario would be. if the sylas was also challenger, he would know how to play around the illaoi. maybe he could have swapped lanes with the ranged urgot. maybe he would have played around the tentacles and illaoi E better. the point is, it's incredibly stupid to use a low elo example to demonstrate win con because this guy knows what he's doing and what he wants to do while the other laner knows NOTHING. it's an uneven starting ground and it's not actually beneficial for anyone watching unless you're also smurfing.
Worst champ in game he says then i Cry cause im otp illaoi so sad.
#ITSGAMTIME
#BRINGTHEHEAT
"Illaoi is the worst champ in the game"
As an Illaoi main it hurts that this is true
Wait a Secon Skill Caped you make that Video Way to Hard to understand for Players. Guys all what he means is that you shold Pic Conter champs to conter other champs you shold not care if you have funn in game or not just pic conter champs and try to win and understand the lane and the rest.
Even though I have 2 million points on Garen. I need to know, what is Garen’s win condition?
win condition depends on the game, so if your comp can teamfight well you want to tank for them, or if you have good splitpushers you'll want to make plays with a numbers advantage
you should teach people how to know the win condition, or do you have to pay for that
Idk if i should watch this video... win condition is top in theory. He ints. Wincondition bot they are both filled... i mean there are in theory a lot of winconditions but soloq is so fuking random and you dont know who is drunk or who is sober atm. So winconditions are really cute if you want to act like you are good for your duo mate but soloq is sooo random that only win condition is only yourself maybe until master or so... this video is good for teamcaptains in a group of 5 clash or so but soloq way too random change my mind if you want
Lol im watching video now and can see that title is only a bait
All your lanes won by themselves as well, of course you can then 1v3 when all of the opponents are weak too.
win condition: stop playing ranked and learn the game in norms so we dont have to 1v9 ...tysm
As a warwick jungle player, my "win condition" is usually to take 1-2 kills by first back, then spam gank my snowballiest laner and give the kills.
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Ye im pretty sure illa can teamfight. She just needs to set up with tentacles half a minute or so earlier
This video isn't very good. First you play Illaoi mid, versus a guy who plays worse than average at this elo or just doesn't know anything about Illaoi. You got huge "weird pick advantage". Secondly your team is winning anyway. Even Jinx Yuumi is winning versus Caitlyn Nautilus Hecarim which should never happen.
A few games does not determine a trend, this video shows absolutely nothing. If this guy was afk game would have the same result.
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Good video but your thinking that way if my team dose wtf they're supposed to do. You have no videos on if your team feeds or doesn't know wtf to do and thinks loosing is fun. Or your adc and the enemy team comes your team ignores it and wants no part of it. When ur MMR is bad you can't get out of low ELO iron or 🥉 when ur team is double digit deaths in less than 15mins. You tell me how to recover from that on a constant basis. Dc running it down flames trolling you can't climb YOU and ur team have NO CLUE the B's we have to put up with down here is us peasants are not worthy
In low elo I would play a trynd (mid jungle top) mute everyone and just focus on your play style. Understand that in order to climb you need to win just slightly more than you lose.
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You are right... and you are SOOOOOOOO wrong. Yes, rito made this game in this way, that its not really multiplayer now. It would be more creative to make us play vs bots rly... but IT IS SO WRONG.
In the end you will play 1v9 more then 5v5 so, by rito, you should just ignore all your team... its closerto deathmatch. SO FUCKING WAIST OF TIME.
This video didn't teach me ANYTHING. You just talked about what you did; being challenger in a gold game... that isn't helpful.