WoW is CORRUPTED and LONG GONE? | Asmongold Reacts to Bellular
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- Asmongold Reacts to "The Irreversible Corruption of WoW…" by Bellular
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I don't know where the video game industry is going, but Diablo Immortal was an important pit stop and turbo boosted it towards whatever its pointing at. It's telling of how bad it is when a lot of dedicated gamers are publicly hoping for the entire industry to crash and burn.
At first, people work in the industry to make good game. Then the industry got bigger, and people who came are here to make money.
It's time to play in the stock market and yolo Activision puts that are way out of the money.
@@TarisRedwing you sure? Last I heard Genshin is pretty popular
Na it’s really not. Diablo is actually late to the party lol. This has been going since the day the iPod touch released.
The biggest problem with RMT “tokenization” by developers is that it actually encourages such behavior.
Yes, RMT is unbeatable and will always happen to some extent, but having it explicitly forbidden in ToS and this rule being enforced to a sufficient degree deters the vast majority of players from engaging in RMT black markets.
thats why I love bdo, even if there are some elements of p2w there is 0 RMT
@@veritasabsoluta4285 no why?
You could say that the reason video games felt more rewarding of your time is that it felt like the had unlimited time when you are younger, as you age and your understanding of your finite time, the value of that time becomes exponentially higher
For real. I still love runescape in concept, but I don't think I could actually play it again due to how grindy it's known to be, unless I was doing something else in the background to make up for the "lost" time. As a kid though, yeah sure I'll sit in front of this fishing spot all day.
As an aside, I tried Melvor Idle, and it gives that same "number go brr" feeling of runescape, but without the huge time investments
You also used to be able to earn a lot of stuff "in game" as opposed to being able to buy it. I remember the old COD games where you unlocked camos and nameplates based on weapon and in game achievements, now it's all in some mtx shop or another, depending on the game you play. Really took away the sense of reward and accomplishment.
A lot of that has already been commented. I’ll add that back in the era there were exponentially less games and forms of entertainment trying to gain your attention and wallet.
I remember back in the time I had WoW, Guild Wars, and console games. That was it. There was no streaming services, endless content on RUclips, or rabbit holes to go down into on the internet. Cable TV was a few shows a week at best. Other than that all the time was focused on a few things.
Today focus is split across dozens of outlets and makes it difficult.
Absolutely the truth. I just turned 30 and the extra time I have these days seems much more special than it used to in my teens and early twenties. I miss the times when I could wake up at 11am on a Friday and play until 2am feeling satisfied. Now I feel guilt.
Great justification for RMT. Bravo.
2:30-3:15 completely agree.
Games don’t have that feeling anymore and I feel like that’s because the focus has changed from milking your time and keeping you entertained to milking your wallet and trapping you in a “I invested too much to leave” hole.
It's all about the short term; instant gratification and dopamine hits.
There are definitely games that give that feeling still, at least for myself, you just aren't going to find those games from the majority of AAA studios aside from maybe a select few. Indie and AA studios I find much more consistent in this regard. I agree that it's sad how monetized and corporate gaming as a whole has become though.
@@haitharu Maybe it's different from person to person then or maybe I haven't hit that age yet. I'm 27, married with a full time job and still find that feeling of enjoyment and satisfaction. I am more aware of the predatory practices utilized today and much less patient when I encounter games with them.
Agreed. It's all about the money now.
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I swear bellular makes a video praising them then the next day its ragnarok for wow.
fax! It's like the "circle of wow*"
He is the Emissary serving Bobby, scaring away the MAU only so that the Maze can grow stronger and more efficient.
Bipolar. I stopped taking him seriously.
Day 1: “Thing aren’t lookin good for WoW.”
Day 2: “Well Blizzard just announced something great for WoW!”
It’s almost as if the world isn’t black and white and positions can be nuanced… crazy concept.
Asmon makes a good point at the 49:00 minute mark. Had a good friend and coworker come in completely devastated at the actions of his father. His dad, whom is retired, blew through his entire savings as well as max 12 credit cards spending over 50k USD on some random mobile game. his parents ended up having to sell their home due to the compounding interest on the credit cards and move in with my friend. These games are psychologically designed to absolutely be as addicting as possible, which is very similar to how cigarette companies used to manufacture their products. Imagine being in your mid 30's with a child and your parents have to sleep in your dining room because they are homeless. We can point and laugh at people who fall into these holes, say it is their fault for falling, but its the fault of companies like Blizzard who dig these wells for people to fall into.
That's the parents fault for not realizing the value of money
It's the fault of both. I agree with Asmon - it just needs to be made illegal. Otherwise companies won't stop doing it and people won't stop falling for it.
@@Real-Ruby-Red ive played a number of mobile games over the years. Some of which had players who spent over $100k.
Raid shadow legends, warhammer: chaos and conquest, lost ark... just a few that noone can play unless ye willing to drop 20k + to be top 1000.
Else be content that you will never be competitive. You are plankton for the whales to feed upon.
I feel sorry for the OP situation. I do believe could happen. Ive seen many step back in horror upon realising how much they have spent and their own dismay at still wanting n feeling compelled to spend more to play at a higher level in game.
No one would even know the game existed if Asmon wouldnt have streamed it for an entire month in front of 200k viewers. And that my friend ain't Blizzards fault.
@@GoznerPeter are we still talking diablo immortal here? The game with 3 million people pre registered... I had it installed the day it released. Lol. Many did am sure.
What asmon is talking about 2:50 is a childhood thing I’m convinced when I used to play Wizard101 and Pirate101 I remember seeing it as this crazy thing I loved every second of it the spells looked insane and I would feel this amazing feeling within me of excitement I remember trying to play again when I turned 16 and the feeling was just gone no matter what I tried it sucks getting old man our brains just don’t get as “mind blown” as when we were kids cause you’ve seen so much shit that you’re not surprised anymore I think
I know that feeling too..
Aaaww man you just summed my entire childhood up with W101 P101 and now WoW🥹
Bro this is EXACTLY how i feel about w101 and p101. I started playing w101 when i was 11, and im 21 now and i just cant find that feeling again it actually sucks so hard
I remember back in MoP too, i grinded the timeless isle like a fucking idiot nonstop, even skipped school some days just to be up for the reset on tuesdays, its so hard but i cannot replicate that feeling of "escape from reality" anymore and actually feeling pure dopamine
@@tripleheadedmonkey6613 Your explanation assumes they are only trying to get that feeling from modern content. OP mentions going back to the same game and the magic being gone just a few years later. It is also assuming all modern content is short term gratification, which is pretty faulty between passion projects and indie titles. Elden Ring is a great game. Does not give me the same feeling Ocarina of Time gave me. Neither game has to do with social interaction.
don t exchange it with shit things u just probadly have seen much more things and u know how the world works dat s all, don t be randomly pessimistic
I found myself needing to buy some tokens to keep up with my friends who spent the week farming just to raid. I did it twice then decided this was a money sink, quit the game and never returned. It was a second job to maintain and not fun.
Really? I don't really farm anything at all and have never felt compelled to buy a token.
Same. No problem at all going end-game not a dollar spent. How you playing mate? You trollin
@@bugskees146 Yeah I'm not anywhere near world first but pretty much just raid logging outside of new content and still the passive income covers my expenses
@@Coastaljaeger maybe he has a life
@@Nova-cn1ho We all do, just how we spend it we taking bout. Paying to win or playing for fun I guess. Maybe some games aren'nt for quick reward people. Just saying dont complain the marathon is long. Run another distance perhaps.
As much as it frustrates me to see Asmon defending GDKP, the fact is, GDKP would be fine if real money was prevented entirely from entering the game. Without the removal of the WoW token and the banning of all parties found to be involved in RMT, most players who don't want to buy gold are going to be way too disadvantaged to have an enjoyable time in the game.
The prevalence of GDKP is only so frustrating because RMT has inflated the prices of everything to the point where players can't afford to buy anything with their gold earned in-game alone.
this is the part no one mentions. Id rather play the game normally but all of the outside factors are affecting the game, and it makes me not want to invest time if its this p2w
Fully agree as someone who played classic and saw items like onslaught girlde go for 20k and dft for 30k I kinda grew sick of this. I was in a competitive guild and nearly every week I had to spend 1k gold on consumes which is the equivalence of 10 hours of farming just to attend a raid. So most of us would just go to gdkp's with alt you would either earn quite a lot or you wouldn't make much cause gear didn't drop wasting your time. Nonetheless you constantly were doing content you didn't need to carry others just so you could use consumables in your main raid. Since I raided on 2 toons I basically had to farm 2k a week and it became really painful so eventually I retired one toon but even then I had grown really sick of playing the game for p2w players., Let's not be delusional and pretend that gdkp is fair trading system like group loot or soft reserves. No the people hosting these GDKPs wanted gold buyers mainly. When I came back for TBC I came in later and people were on the verge of ending SSC and TK when I tried to join a kara group which only was gdkp they asked me to open a trade window to see how many gold I had on that toon which was around 8k they said we only accept 10k as a minimum so I got kicked out. Another time when I joined another kara GDKP one of the officers started whispering me that I was just freeloading and not spending enough gold when I just found the prices way too high for that gear late phase. Eventually didn't get a cut and was removed. I tried doing dungeons but honestly barely anyone was doing heroics anymore so it would take long finding people even on a massive server like benediction so gearing up was quite frustrating, not to mention getting the rep was near impossible at that time. I always wanted to do sunwell but seeing how the game had so much devolved I just unsubscribed again and stopped playing the game. Same with games like Diablo immortal and other MMO's I just can't stand them anymore so now I just gave up on mmo's altogether and haven't played any for the last years.
i used to play another game called mabinogi. We often farmed ingame money (gold) and "sold it" to other players for in-game currency (real money) to buy stuff from the cash shop. Like, a pet, a mount, a special stone, etc.
And it was fine, it was a player driven economy. It created some relationships between players and so on.
While those selling irl money for ingame money didn't use bots to get gold because there was a much higher chance of getting scammed.
I think a big difference is also that back then there were alot of mysteries and secrets, nothing seemed far fetched every option was open, True exploration. Something that we dont see that much anymore. Everything is datamined, everyone is midmax'd, lots of people have expertise in IT, Guides everywhere. So many people just focus on reaching "the end" of a game that they forget to enjoy the journey. Everyone wants to use their time efficiently. Information is at our fingertips and we are conditioned to constant gratification to a point that it doesnt have any value anymore.
In wow at first I was afraid to message people. About a year later I would message everyone and have a great time. Those were the days!
what do u mean ''were'' ? you can STILL message everyone now too.
Seeing what classic became over time reminded me why MMOs suck today. People are too goal oriented and will do anything to achieve it. It killed the game to see the boosting crusade
Still lots of players that play the old way. At least on my server.
It's fine to be goal oriented, but if there's a way to achieve goal. What's the point?
Why should you farm 100 hours to lvl 200 fishing if someone can pay 5$ to get it.
It's not as rewarding idk
@@kurokawaii6597 Depends why you play I suppose. I don't think you should pay much mind to what other people are doing.
@@iyaramonk It's not about what people are doing, it's about what they can do. If you allow them to pay to achieve any goal that remove the purpose and motivation of doing it (and also break the economy of the game). But my whole point was goal oriented = not bad, money to achieve goal = bad
@@kurokawaii6597 But paying money so someone else can do the work for you has been possible since day 1 and will continue to be possible. I'm not sure why you need to worry about this unless you want to buy services as well.
Responsibilities and life get in the way. When youre a kid you have 5 hours of school, an hour or two of homework, barely any chores, then the rest is game time. I have 2 hours a day to myself outside of work, sleep, and takin care of my baby.
Too real :(
@m yes
My dad just turned 50 in may and started WoW from day one, he got me hooked at such a young age. Sadly he stopped playing within the last 6months, but I remember the days where he so focused on the game due to gold!!
Having started playing again with other people, that's what makes the difference FOR SURE. I like spending my time with others who want to spend their time with me, that's what feels fulfilling. Feeling useful to others.
Thats why I only find myself playing multiplayer games. If i want a story i'd rather watch a show or a movie.
Jeathe brought up a good point about this when he talked yesterday about toxicity in MMOs, namely that let's say you have open approved sexism in your guild, the people who are not OK with this will leave, and the people who come back in who are okay with this will stay, and eventually you just have a really sexist guild. It's the same thing with companies and this sort of token stuff. It's not that "we" chose this, no, the people who aren't OK with this just already left, so now it seems like "we" chose this, when it's really just the people that haven't moved on.
Most Blizzard games have incredibly toxic communities, I almost feel like it starts at the top with Blizzard management and works its way down into each game and its respective player base.
And that's totally fine, keeping a guild like that around is good for the player base as a whole because you can easily segregate personalities. If you don't like it, then leave. If you like being sexist (I do online because I have a wife and don't play videogames with other women) then you can be sexist and be left alone
@@TeKnoVKNG23 You're going to have make a better argument for that one.
A month or so ago, I really got into Stardew Valley and was playing it for like 8 to 10 hours a day for two straight weeks. It was loads of fun and I felt like I got so much done. Then I realized that I really needed a job if I wanted to pay my student loans off so I started working. While getting a full-time job for the first time has helped me value my time a lot more than before, I still feel unfulfilled on my days off. I wish I was able to do more, and my job is the same from the day-to-day. Sure, there are some things that I do at my job that is new, but considering the job it isn't anything fun or exciting. It's merely just to help keep the job from feeling boring. I can't wait to start college again so I can do shit with friends and play games more. I haven't played Stardew Valley since I started working because I feel like that the time I have off isn't enough to do that much, and I don't even really bother playing games on the days I do work. I spend most of my free-time relaxing by watching RUclips or Twitch. That week or two I played Stardew Valley reminded me of when I used to play GMod or Minecraft everyday after coming home from middle school from 2012 to 2015. I put in over 800 hours into GMod alone as a middle schooler, but ever since I started college and working every so often I just don't have the time to feel satisfied playing anything. It makes me wish I could stream and not have to worry about my future while also playing games I enjoy and gaining fulfillment from them, but I just don't have the time.
Do doordash, uber eats, gig economy apps if you want more money and maybe see some light at the end of the tunnel
You really don't need tons of time to find enjoyement. Sometimes less is better.
Yes, I remember the feeling of accomplishment after hours or days of playing games as a kid/teen even in my early 20s. Especially with wow I always felt so fully immersed and excited for all the quests I had going and mats I needed to farm and mounts I wanted to collect, but I really don't feel that at all anymore. I can't find any game I feel super excited about, they all just feel like something to do.
I think thats what growing up is like, in a sense. because i experience this too. remember when everyone was saying "I will be gaming in my 40's!" but you lose the passion
@@gahno76 Well, i half agree. If you experience a genre many times it might not be exctiing, but i don't think that is the problem, because i didnt really like dark souls, and sekiro, but loved bloodborne, and it was the last game out of the 3 i tried, so maybe it's about making a game more unique experience even if it's the same generic fps, hack n slash, rpg type? if it's unique it can offset the generic genre of the game, also i don't try to find new fun experiences, hence i only play few set genres and stick to them, im comfortable in a place i am, where im automatically decent and get knowledge fast, super good for new multiplayer releases, i mostly play stuff like dota 2 now because singleplayers don't do it for me anymore, especially when i don't have the best pc (1050 ti) maybe when i upgrade i will play stuff like elden ring, dying light 2, and reignite my passion again, i hope so.
@@gahno76 Yeah
@@gahno76 I feel like that's why mmorpgs are so popular too, you play both for the game and the community, even if you get dissapointed in 1 thing there's still second left, while super competetive games if you get bored, you won't play for the toxic ass community they have, and with story games you obv wont play for the community if it's singleplayer
@@gahno76 I have to disagree about wow not changing. Torghast beta iteration was great, had a real sense of roguelite, you could really feel getting more and more powerful the more you progressed. Yes, a run took time, but that time wasn't meaningless because you had that dopamine everytime you got a new power that was breaking the run more and more (like in Binding of Isaac). They had put a good roguelite feeling in WoW. It was still WoW, but the feeling was completly new. Then they fked that up by trying to impose what they did with WoW for years, timegating shit, not allowing it to be broken. Why corruption was fun at the end of BFA? Because everything was broken (and if everything is broken, nothing is). The way they want to put THEIR vision (for business matters) while a lot of players need and say they need another to feel keep playing is, in my opinion, the worst thing that could happen to a video game company.
I still like m+ and raiding and that's pretty much enough for me, but man, they keep on missing good opportunities to actually do something new about the game while they showed they could and they could make it feel good and worthy of the players' time
Thanks for the insightful response to Bellular's video. I really hope he does continue with this style of content as he's pretty uniquely positioned to comment on the state of gaming and trends within that space.
He's been doing it for a long time, low effort content that people enjoy, I don't see him stopping any time soon.
NO. Everyone is uniquely positioned to comment and DO SOMETHING about the state of gaming...gamers just choose not to. Speak out online, in person, and with your wallet!
@@wiliestrogue2924 One person can not move a mountain on their own. People can't mobilize without a front figure. The unique position Asmon has is the platform to reach a large group of players.
@@Hammerage1 This, thanks.
Question, does that solve anything?
here's the thing tho my man... you don't have to grind gold like other anymore... you're just given shit tons of in game currency to get what you want which means you aren't part of the community that deals with the problems of being outbid everytime.
I remember my old friend bought so much gold, So he got bored of the game later on and litarelly told the GM about it to see if he got banned or not, And guess what, He did not get banned, Blizzard does not care if you ruin the economy.
They only care when a big outrage is happening. Same shit with Bots. Let them do what they want until a lot of People/Streamer complain. Do shit for around a month and then go back to ignore it.
GDKPs aren't inherently evil, however they encourage RMTs whether it is illegally buying gold on Classic or buying WoW tokens on retail. Also while they have always been around to some extent, it is only recently that they have become more well-known and relevant.
Two things, 1 is about sleep, another is about addiction.
Zack should ask his dad about military sleep. You can easily train yourself to sleep whenever, wherever for however long you have. He could sleep more if he could sneak in some quick naps into his schedule, then staying up late would stop being an issue. It is important to stay healthy and I want Zack to stay healthy!
I usually sleep around 4 hours per night, but I can easily sleep 4-8 hours during daytime, depending on how much free time I have. I used to have sleep deprivation when I was younger because I couldn't sleep at night properly, now I sleep more than enough. Helped me a bunch.
Also, games being addictive is like most drugs, both trigger your brain to make more dopamine. As you slowly burn out your dopamine receptors, you'll need stronger and stronger highs to feel good until you need this crap to not feel bad. You may say games are not drugs but making you an addict CAN lead you down that path. When I was a small kid i obsessively collected stuff like comics, trading cards, stickers and I ended up becoming an alcoholic at 15 and I've been vulnerable to addicting behavior since. I quit drinking after 6 years when I realized my friends became abusive asses and I was becoming an ass too.
Gaming is fine but I need to switch them around often, whenever I feel like I am grinding pointlessly without having fun; switch! Zack says the same, whenever you are bored with a game, quit it!
In today's installment of the Stockholm Syndrome......
GDKPs aren't the problem, its the pinnacle of a player driven economy. In classic, the bigger problem is the massive nonstop flow of gold being funneled into the economy by legions of bots. On Benediction Alliance the server is so completely botted that its impossible to even find herbs or ore in the open world. The time investment for farming gold is laughably unworth when you can buy 5k gold for like 30 bucks. I WANT to farm in game but its just not worth to do so.
Blizzards strategy of banning the players for buying gold while doing nothing to provide an open world where you can actually farm reasonable is also just laughable.
I played another game during tbc classic. There's cash auction house where u can sell gold/items/pets/CHARACTERS. This game started in 2003, but the cash-gold ratio has changed less than 5% for 18 years of time. So what they do is, to make easy content drop no gold (very little soulbound gold that u can train urself), if you want to farm a reasonable amount of gold that worth $500 a month, your character probably worth $4k minimum, and nobody dares to bot, because getting banned is expensive and very likely to happen. If you are caught scamming, your character is then sent to a prison where u must pay $100 to get out. If you are caught scamming for an amount big enough to get into irl prison, you are there (happened multiple times lol). The game is time-based, for like 8 cents an hour. So even if someone found a very immaterial and sneaky way to bot, it may still result in a loss.
We did GDKP weekly back in Wrath, we had heroic ICC on farm so on off nights we'd run a GDKP on alts with randoms and a few mains if they weren't going to be locked to the guild run. Worked well and rolled into Cata with mountains of gold.
>WoW is CORRUPTED and LONG GONE
In other news, the water is wet.
Water isn't actually wet
To be fair this happens everywhere. The inventors & copyrightholders become unworthy of their own franchises legacy and fan's have bigger passion, respect and even understanding for the franchise left than those who took over in the company. It happens all the time.
@@FXFXFXFX Me when ur mom...
This video really did hit pretty hard. I used to play a lot of video games and they did use to feel more fulfilling. I'm currently in this weird transitional phase where I'm torn in between playing the current style of monetized, pay wall, content-gated games that don't respect my time, all the while requesting you to pay ridiculous amounts of money for character transmogs or at worst actual progression in the game OR trying to do something about it to change the landscape of gaming as an individual by attempting to make my own games and content. I thought that what you did with the indie developer showcase could eventually end up being a big part of trying to change the current gaming landscape. I truly believe that Chris Kalieki and Notorious Games and a lot of the people who ended up leaving Blizzard saw where the company was going and disagreed with that direction, which is why I still have hope that REAL gaming could potentially make a comeback. I think the only way to change the current landscape starts with gamers as a whole. We need to all take a step back and really look at the current landscape and decide what we accept as individuals, and vote with your wallet. I see it happening with Diablo Immortal right now. This needs to end. Make Gaming Fun Again.
if gaming is a source of stress for you and not an escape anymore... please stop it... as cheesy as it sounds.
Can Bellular make up his mind? One moment he's hopeful and the next he's not.
Ironically, Thats what WoW does to you. Hopeful then not in quick succession.
It's the feeling bro that's the key. We used to feel we had purpose just playing game and that doing whatever was the meaning of our young life. As well as the fact as we grow the time we used to see as a week gets less significant ya know. At 16 a week of your life has been a greater percent of your life than when your 50
Most of the difference though for me lies in the game's deterioration, rather than my aging. Certainly it does play a part, but for large parts I could enjoy Classic just as back in the day. The areas where it felt lacking was mostly due to how other players, who had come from retail and with a retail mindset, had started to optimize everything, including mage boosts, "speedrun" dungeon clears, add-ons such as Questie, GDKP, RMT, bg pre-mades, then the store mount and store boost, which players cheered for and embraced, etc... The game itself was fine, it was slow and character progression was challenging enough to allowed for meaningful and rich human experiences just as back in the day. All that can be killed by the wrong mindset (eg. time is money), as well as overly focusing on player convenience.
@@holysecret2 The "retail" things you are pointing out have all been created by the same people that played back in the day, optimizing things and getting BIS gear is not a retail thing, that's a MMO thing it has always existed our understanding of Meta and the way we learn a Meta has just evolved, its natural that's how Human Civilization came to be. Also, if you look at it from a Psychological point of view you would know that WoW has objectively not gotten worse the people that used to play it have just grown out of it, time is more valuable to a 30 y/o than to a 14 y/o, another thing is children and teens get excited much easier than an adult because for them, it might be their first experience with it, ask any child that plays WoW actively if they like the game, the answer will most definitely be yes. If you want to play an actual bad MMO look at Black Desert Online that is what a bad MMO is, the worst thing WoW has currently is the store which just shouldn't exist in a Subscription based game.
@@holysecret2 Before classic wow, I always believed the whole thing about "I just got older, so I don't enjoy gaming any more", but then came classic and I enjoyed it just as much as I did in my teens.
@@xikirito_6809 Retail has RDF, personal loot, even more rampant RMT than Classic, no more unique starting zones for each race, an incredibly (overly) sped-up leveling process, store mounts, no talents or tier sets, sharding, heirlooms (which will sadly come with Wrath, and make any dungeon or quest loot undesirable), etc.
Personally I struggle to see how it is in any meaningful way an objectively superior game to Classic. And I'm not saying that Classic is a perfect game, it has issues as well. But it is much closer to it than retail, for me personally. You may personally prefer some of the retail convenience features, but that does not make it objectively better, just better suited for your tastes, just like Classic is better suited for my tastes. I do think Classic is overall better though because as an MMORPG it focuses more on the character progression, the community, the world, the immersion. All of which retail compromised on, and ultimately lost them because of it (it lost meaningful stats on Items, interactions between players are reduced due to the randomness of sharding and RDF, you lose contact with the world due to fast travel, and gear and personal achievements have been lost due to store items, boosts paid for with real money, etc.).
GDKP is fine in and of itself. But the problem is it strongly incentivizes gold buying, which in turn incentivizes botters (to sell more gold) even more which increases inflations. Then this turns into a vicious cycle.
Asmon's reaction to Bellular's jebaiting ad plugs always makes me smile
I remember GDKP mostly from Wrath. Personally I thought it was pretty sweet. You could easily play both sides of the market. Use gold to get geared, use the GDKP runs to learn the boss fights, then get into a regular raid group and get better, then run your own GDKP. I found it was a way to break into raiding that was much faster than the traditional method of begging until a decent guild let you in, and then hoping they wouldn't kick you while you learned the fights.
The people who remember the "good old days" of WoW I think are generally the ones that were either raiding or PVPing at a high level. And in those days that was a small slice of the population as a whole. The rest of us, well, it kind of sucked. I remember being as geared as I could possibly be from dungeon running, and still could not get any raid groups to even think about taking me on. When GDKP came along now there was a path to raiding that didn't completely suck.
I do agree that once you cross that threshold of real money to gold then it all falls apart. I totally agree with Asmongold on this. Use in game currency to get ahead, no problem. Buy it with cash? Nope, screw that.
The thing is GDKP always consists or RMT. If the gold isn't obtained through tokens from blizzard it will be obtained through bots. GDKPS always have this carry buyer symbiotic relation going on. It's not that wow is a hard game. Seriously if you can't do a fight that requires you to execute 1-2 mechanics cause you have a peanut sized brain and they should hold your hand the entire time you shouldn't play the game. Just as within a sport if someone isn't good enough they don't make the team. Why should an MMO be different you're literately playing as a team and if you don't function in such an environment the game isn't meant for you. You're also wrong about accessibility into raiding, back then people barely had a functioning computer, were new to the genre and were clueless of how to play mmo's . The reason you couldn't get into a raiding guild was because there were almost none, people didn't raid and only the hardcore players would play end content, while nowadays the endgame is the content. If you would play on a private server were there is no cash shop and barely any bots but a pretty big community you would find that there are a lot of semi hardcore, casuals guilds that don't suck and take in a lot of people. You're acting like this GDKP was the main reason you got access to something you previously didn't. I understand your POV and think you make fair points which is why GDKP's in general as so dangerous cause a lot of people are completly fine with it or even think it enhances the experience.
Wrath had the best GDKP runs man!!
GDKP back then had an element of RPG aswell, the money mostly comes within the ecosystem of WoW (except some who RMT which was way less than today). You see rich people in GDKP runs who are basically been saving for a long time for this run and you respect that.
Gdkp was never a common thing on my servers vanilla - cata. Sometimes the top guilds ran them but not very often.
When we were younger, the game seemed to have more real accomplishment, attaining your mount was such a huge thing, and felt just as much an accomplishment as anything done in the real world. As we get older, its more and more just a game we play to distract ourselves from how much we want to do. It's becoming a less and less effective distraction. Weve built a tolerance.
I disagree that age is biggest factor. With WoW Classic launch I had tons of fun, accomplishment and didn't feel like I am wasting time till I hit the wall, namely raiding same two bosses for 2-3 months. It was too repetitive and became boring. I felt like loot system is really designed to waste your time and there was no content, nothing to be done but wait for these time gated repeated encounters. I was working as Software Engineer in company as well as having some social life, working out and cooking for myself so it wasn't non stop gaming with no responsibilities either.
Diablo 3 real money auction was the best thing ever happened to diablo 3. The smell of competition for few bucks was in the air. Everyone was playing the game.
I un-ironically agree. Let the players cash out if they are gonna boost or sell items or whatever. Why should Blizzard get all the money?? A system where you convert your currency into theirs but then it's illegal to convert it back is called a scam lol. And that's what WoW is doing.
a warlock in our classic guild posted his g2g history and showed to have spent atleast $5k on gold in just the last year, hes a regular gdkp runner that rolls through alts
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Bell's sponsor segues are absolutely TOP TIER 😂
i think the reason you cant feel fulfilment from a night of gaming, or getting a sweet mount, or getting a 99 in a skill, is because as a kid, your entire life is all free time, so non-tangible achievements meant more to you. now, things objectively need to be tangible in order to measure worth, i got bills to pay, children to feed, my wife to keep entertained, a job to work. getting that mount i wanted or grinding that skill to 99 doesnt fill my hirearchy of needs as an adult, but when my hirearchy of needs as a teen was literally jerk off, play games, eat food, its alot easier to think those things are valuable.
I sucked at typing, and WoW helped me with that skill
That first 3 mins talking about enjoyment in games and playing for 14 hours and feeling fulfilled.. Man that hit me so fcking hard. As a child I loved Maplestory and was my first mmorpg experience. Everyday afterschool once I got home that's the first thing that would come to my mind and for endless hours I would just game on and not even have to worry about anything around me. It was like I was absorbed into the Maple world and anything I did in that game actually felt like it mattered. I do believe as we grow on this feeling must fade as more responsibilities and other priorities must take over.
What i wished they do is having our progress A1 up to A10 would continue evolving up to A20 in next extension in place of having to start B1 up to B10, then C, D, E, making the tree skill evolved à la PoE or ESO!
“I feel like I’m being attacked”
And I can actually relate to you Asmon
You don't look bald tho.
@@JM-ym8mm probably wearing a wig
@@fildos4547 or plot twist..."HOLLY FISH PASTE! IT'S A GUY!"
I was an adult when I started playing WoW and MMOs, but I still had a lot to learn from these games in terms of skills and mindsets. I am a better person thanks to MMOs, online friendships thus made and guilds. Grinding mindset also DOES translate well IRL.
I’ve really never understood why you pay money to boost, and skip the game, when the reason for playing a game is to enjoy the content. I’ve never understood people who literally just pay money to beat a game, then sit at the end of the game and do nothing. Wtf
Asmon is the definition of "chaotic good"
he ain't good
He's repeatedly scammed people. He's not good. Just because someone is likeable, doesn't mean they're good.
I don't even know if I'd call him chaotic, because on occasion he does make pro-legislation arguments, such as "government should ban loot boxes." Someone doing chaotic things occasionally and advocating for more laws occasionally is probably neutral. Indeed, I'd peg Asmon at true neutral. Although yes, there's specific moments where he acts CG.
@@lightworker2956 remind me again, how did he scam people? I am new to this person so...
the core problem is " you must waste time on what you don't like". just like before PVP u must waste so many times on pve and leveing.
I didn’t think tokens were bad on release mostly because at the time farming old raids for mounts,you would acquire the amount needed on my server to pay for my next month for things I was already doing weekly. Sadly it turned into a funnel in reverse shortly after as every server suddenly spiked in price to buy the token and I’m not gonna spend 200k for a month playtime.
340k on argent dawn atm...crazy
Players have created this world themselves. This behavior has such a big market that not diving into it as a company would be a sin. I think the trend towards play-to-earn would only lead to its own genre. Eventually some indie devs would come out of this situation and revive the good ol days' business model that the two markets would separate
Depends on business style. If you're not public, you can "afford" to actually make a good game.
34:42 You called it. I'm playing Elden Ring on my comp and watching Asmon on my phone. Just killed Death Rite Bird.
Osrs bonds happened around the same time, they clapped it by ensuring the money was next to useless for buying end tier gear and only benefitted new players where if you have a friend you’d probably get set up with that money anyway and gold farming players could actually start getting membership for free, much as there’s a rwt issue in osrs I don’t think it has been affected anywhere nearly as badly as wow did
bonds were the best thing added to the game tbh, you just need to play the game for like 5h and you will get enough coins to pay for the membership that is great
if a game has any monetary systems that are like lost ark we all should consider it a bad game by default regardless of gameplay or these companies will think we like those monetary systems.
What Im excited for is to see how hard people are going to stretch logic to cope that pay to win hasn't gotten worse. "Oh you don't understand liver function subscription has always been a thing, you're just salty and mad +ratio"
I remember some anthropologist at my university interviewed a man that lived past 100 (Indian man or something), and they asked him what the secret was - and he said that he always got plenty of sleep. He emphasized napping throughout the day as well.
Just thought that was so interesting...but the thing that matters the most is that he never specified WHEN to get that sleep...so we're good boys...just make sure you just sleep all day after playing all night 😂
I think it's simply listening to your body. If you're sleepy, sleep or nap. If you're hungry eat something.
@@hunger4wonder what I mean is some people ignore those alarms. It's common sense to eat and sleep and take care of yourself. But it really is that simple.
Asmon and bell are both in the attention economy business. That’s all I’m gonna say.
You would never believe how seedy the virtual gold selling market was. I was a player in that arena for a while, but I don't think people really knew how deep the rabbit hole goes.
This is not what Gordon needs to be hearing, he's a highly trained professional!
I don't play games as much anymore because they do take a lot of my time. I enjoy them, but I also got other stuff I want to do. Doesn't help was when I used to work at a night shift. I'd want the night to be over to leave, and I'd watch the clock every now and then, hoping that after taking a call, the night would have gone by much faster.
However, upon reaching weekend, I would often hear "Thank goodness it's weekend already". You ultimately realize that while time feels long in work, it actually passes by too quickly. Then the things you planned at the start of the year never get done, and you're almost at December. I still play games, but I restrict myself heavily now, because there are other things I wanna do, like actually improving my craft in drawing.
What sense of accomplishment can you get when the click of a button can download an addon which will tell you how to optimize anything and everything, basically playing your character for you instead of letting you immerse yourself into the gameplay?
Revenge bedtime procrastination sounds like what my wife has after I forget to do something around the house.
that thing about selling gold in WoW for gold in diablo, yeah it's not just that, i had a friend in ffxiv who straight up said to me "yeah, imma just go sell some gold in WoW and get paid in gil here in ffxiv"
A couple of things: they ruined Wow when they dumbed it down; they made pvp so that you can level (my twinks ruined); they took away 'making bullets/arrows' etc
>permanence of wow as an example of feeling fulfilled while playing a game
don't kid yourself, i feel this in jrpgs and ff14 all the time as well
Someone asked me once.. if you had a wish, what would it be... I said a 36 hour day
I literally filled up my block list with "boosters" because I wanted none of it. Yet even after I filled up my block list. There was more still advertising. It sickened me. People that used boosters in my opinion are cheaters.
It's hard to feel like playing a videogame for 14 hours and feeling like you did something meaningful when everything is monetized and I can go work for 2 hours and just buy those other 12 hours back
What if you sleep in a 5 and 3 hour increment and pretend to yourself its the same as 8 hours a day? Asking for a friend.
Asmon. It was great to see you “belly laugh” while speaking of your mom! Very good to see. Each day- I learn so much more to you than the usual stuff. Thank you
40 seconds in and I feel just as attacked :(
I played wow since tbc, then on and off after mop, but I don't remember any gdkp at all in my servers. Not saying he's wrong, because I know they existed. Just never seen one.
I hadn't heard of it till classic either. I know people sold carries, that i remember seeing, but nothing remotely like GDKP.
I do this but in a somewhat different way. I get home at 5pm from work, I eat then go to bed by around 6pm so that i can wake up at 2am, game from 2am to 6am then get ready for work, go to work and then be absolutely fried after work so i can then go to bed early of a night. I only do this week days where as on weekends i sleep usually at 1am
Guild Wars 1 is about the only AAA MMO left I can think of that hasn't been tainted by corporate greed. No cash shop, no boosts, no DLC at all except for the expansions. Enjoy it while it's still around.
The right games still give me that feeling. Terraria is one example.
The issue with RMT is that it's hard to confirm the involvement of real money in any transaction.
So it comes down to two options:
1. They go strict with the whole banning procedure and they don't ban gold sellers UNLESS they fuck up (mostly happens with BURN spam accounts or obvious BURN bot farmers; NOT real gold sellers and storage accounts). Which what happens right now
2. They shoot on sight. Most gold sellers could be banned like nothing with that approach but a lot of people would be caught in a cross fire. FOR EXAMPLE: Asmongold constantly gets gold from random people. If some random gold giver is confirmed to be gold seller/bot/gold duper - Asmon gets a ban. (Most likely also makes a video about it; forcing Blizzard to go back to option 1.)
3. (There are also other options but they are questionable like restricting trade. Some games did that and these games were terrible to play.)
Absolutely the truth. I just turned 30 and the extra time I have these days seems much more special than it used to in my teens and early twenties. I miss the times when I could wake up at 11am on a Friday and play until 2am feeling satisfied. Now I feel guilt. I feel as if I am unfair to the games industry at times because I want a game as big and as immersive as WoW felt when I was 12 years old, but also I want to have that feeling in maybe 8-12 hours a week. Maybe I just dont have the time anymore.
People who believe that there were no RMT in the past, clearly never played it back then, I remember my guild leader buying money to give Sandstone drakes to every raider on the Guild in Cata and that wasn't the first time I saw things like that happen, the big difference is it now information spreads out much faster and everyone easily knows how to do this things that is the true difference here, every mmo has RMT issues just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they don't exist.
For wow token one can look at it the other way too, if enjoy 'goldfarming' you can pay for the subscription only with gold. I played 2 years without paying a single dollar in subscription because i like gold farming, crafting and working the auction house:-) And its ok and fine for wow i think(gold farmers selling them anyway) Very different than lootboxes obviously. You can play competitively in wow without token gold, unlike in some other games. Also bought 20 store mounts from farmed gold(mostly trough crafting and auction house)
Funny how Blizzard has fallen, oh well that's what happens when you only look at profits. Blizzard Immortal being the biggest example.
The reason gamers, specifically young men, like a world in which real money and real life do not matter is because when you're a young dude IRL you're at the bottom of the pile and it's really hard to make progress in the RL game (cause you're late to the game and have to grind to catch up). So in the fake world (game) you can quickly create greatness and be something. But since RL is creeping into the false world, that place is ever becoming a space where you can't be somebody without also being somebody in RL. The fantasy is cracking.
Young men need a better way to create and succeed in the real world. Honestly this is how civil wars and wars in general are started, when there are significant amounts of men sitting around feeling like they aren't accomplishing something and are being crapped on too hard by the few. They kill the few and burn things down until the cycle starts over. Men need something to strive against, to work toward achieving, that is likely obtainable, else all hell breaks loose.
I remember DPK being pretty common during Wrath, not so much GDKP.
GDKP in Pugs, DKP in guilds.
So, in another mmo called blade and soul, gdkp was how loot worked. Bidding was the core way to win loot in pugs and the game split the money between the rest of the party. Without rmt it worked fine, the game had other problems (daily spam being the only other way to earn gold).
gdkp is just a practice. Unchecked rmt and botting driving up inflation and devaluing most player avenues for gold through flooding consumables and trade materials is the main problem. The game lacks gold sinks so inflation is inevitable but a system that could last a year or more at reasonable prices now hits stupid price tags in weeks with most gatherables too abundant to have value. The damage is just most noticed in gdkp.
It's actually 20$ raw profit since a sub can just be activated at anytime without payment if you have authority and costs blizz nothing. Best example is if you have the gold to buy a token they give you free game time to buy it.
Theory of Everything solution:
[Short answer] swap from Newton to Leibniz as our fundamental blueprint of the universe.
[Long answer] I contend Gottfried Leibniz was correct about the fundamentals of our "contingent/not-necessary" universe and he just lacked 2022 verbiage and Hamilton's 4D quaternion algebra.
More importantly is that humanity chose Isaac Newton's "real/necessary" universe, calculus, gravity, etc. This was a big mistake. We need to correct this problem.
Finishing what Leibniz started (with the intention of destroying what Newton started):
(Have to include a lot of definitions, sorry. Note 0D point, quark and Monad same definitions)
[Math; Geometry 0D point]
A point is a 0-dimensional mathematical object which can be specified in -dimensional space using an n-tuple ( , , ..., ) consisting of. coordinates. In dimensions greater than or equal to two, points are sometimes considered synonymous with vectors and so points in n-dimensional space are sometimes called n-vectors.
1D = line, straight; two points; composite substance; matter
《0D (point) is exact location only; zero size; not a 'thing', not a 'part'; Monad》
Monad (from Greek μονάς monas, "singularity" in turn from μόνος monos, "alone") refers, in cosmogony, to the Supreme Being, divinity or the totality of all things.
The concept was reportedly conceived by the Pythagoreans and may refer variously to a single source acting alone, or to an indivisible origin, or to both.
The concept was later adopted by other philosophers, such as Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, who referred to the monad as an elementary particle.
[Quantum]
Quark is a type of elementary particle and a fundamental 'constituent' of matter. Quarks combine to form composite particles called hadrons, the most stable of which are protons and neutrons, the components of atomic nuclei.
What is another word for quark?
fundamental particle, elementary particle.
Do quarks take up space?
Its defining feature is that it lacks spatial extension; being dimensionless, it does not take up space.
How fast do quarks move?
the speed of light
[In mathematics, a tuple is a finite ordered list (sequence) of elements. An n-tuple is a sequence (or ordered list) of n elements, where n is a non-negative integer. There is only one 0-tuple, referred to as the empty tuple. An n-tuple is defined inductively using the construction of an ordered pair]
1st four dimensions are 0D, 1D, 2D, 3D ✅.
1st four dimensions are not 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D 🚫.
Human consciousness, mathematically, is identical to 4D quaternion algebra with w, x, y, z being "real/necessary" (0D, 1D, 2D, 3D) and i, j, k being "imaginary/contingent" (1D xi, 2D yj, 3D zk).
1D-9D 'contingent' universe has "conscious lifeforms" (1D xi, 2D yj, 3D zk)..."turning" 'time'.
[In mathematics, a versor is a quaternion of norm one (a unit quaternion). The word is derived from Latin versare = "to turn" with the suffix -or forming a noun from the verb (i.e. versor = "the turner"). It was introduced by William Rowan Hamilton in the context of his quaternion theory.]
[Math; 4D quaternion algebra]
A quaternion is a 4-tuple, which is a more concise representation than a rotation matrix. Its geo- metric meaning is also more obvious as the rotation axis and angle can be trivially recovered.
How do you make a quaternion?
You can create an N-by-1 quaternion array by specifying an N-by-3 array of Euler angles in radians or degrees. Use the euler syntax to create a scalar quaternion using a 1-by-3 vector of Euler angles in radians.
"Turn" to what, you might ask. 5D is the center of 1D-9D. The breadth (space-time). All 'things' and 'parts' are drawn to the center, the whole. (The Dawn -Book of Cain on the creation of the contingent universe)
[Contingent Universe]:
3 sets of 3 dimensions:
(1D-3D/4D-6D/7D-9D)
The illusory middle set (4D, 5D, 6D) is temporal. Id imagine we create this middle temporal set similar to a dimensional Venn Diagram with polarized lenses that we "turn" by being conscious.
Which requires energy. 3D height symmetry/entanglement with 9D absorption is why we are "consumers", we must consume/absorb calories, and sleep, to continue "to turn" 'time' (be alive).
1D-3D spatial set/7D-9D spectral set overlap creating the temporal illusion of 4D-6D set.
According to theoretical physicist Carlo Rovelli, time is an illusion: our naive perception of its flow doesn't correspond to physical reality. Indeed, as Rovelli argues in The Order of Time, much more is illusory, including Isaac Newton's picture of a universally ticking clock.
Does time exist without space?
Time 'is' as space 'is' - part of a reference frame in which in ordered sequence you can touch, throw and eat apples.
Time cannot exist without space and the existence of time does require energy.
Time, then, has three levels, according to Leibniz:
(i) the atemporality or eternality of God;
(ii) the continuous immanent becoming-itself of the monad as entelechy;
(iii) time as the external framework of a chronology of “nows”
The difference between (ii) and (iii) is made clear by the account of the internal principle of change.
The real difference between the necessary being of God and the contingent, created finitude of a human being is the difference between (i) and (ii).]
1D, 2D, 3D = spatial composite (line, width, height)
4D, 5D, 6D = temporal illusory (length, breadth, depth)
7D, 8D, 9D = spectra energies (continuous, emission, absorption)
Symmetry/entanglement:
1D, 4D, 7D line, length, continuous
2D, 5D, 8D width, breadth, emission
3D, 6D, 9D height, depth, absorption
Conclusion: Humanity needs to immediately swap from "Newton" to "Leibniz".
Our calculus is incorrect (Leibniz > Newton):
What is the difference between Newton and Leibniz calculus?
Newton's calculus is about functions.
Leibniz's calculus is about relations defined by constraints.
In Newton's calculus, there is (what would now be called) a limit built into every operation.
In Leibniz's calculus, the limit is a separate operation.
Our Universal Constants have convoluted answers. Leibniz's Law of Sufficient Reason fixes this in a day.
(FUNDAMENTALS > specifics)
what you all dont get is that gold transactions were being done way before WoW was ever released. they were implemented even during Lineage 2 which was released a year before WoW and probably even before that just not noticeable because the internet online gaming was just starting to become big at that time compared to the UO and EQ time frame
You may have just said my new favorite quote of all time there, Asmon... "People are nostalgic for a time whenever their time was currency and they had a lot of currency."
Wow...
On my server in BC, Turalyon, my guild used to do GDKP runs for BT. This has been happening forever, just the difference is that there are more people doing this end game content then before. That...and well, WoW token.
20:00 omg i remember seeing dead body's on the floor spelling out things! i really wish i had gotten pictures of them >
GDKP should never be an issue. The issue is when you can buy the gold and inflate the prices of items so other people are unable to get items unless they also buy gold. No one used to buy gold as much because there were people getting banned for it or the gold removed their account. IMO just hire 1 or 2 guys thats sole purpose is to track and ban people buying gold and boosts online with real currency.
34:48 not really need it, but lets be real, if you are grinding in a videogame something to watch while you do the mindless task makes the mindless task FAR easier to get through
Asmon pretending like has a job to wake up for is adorable. You could sleep for a month straight and the only thing that would happen is you'd wake up hungry
It’s a job
It boils down to acidity. Your blood acid rises while you are awake because moving around and thinking creates more acid than your liver can detox, and you can't breathe out enough Co2 to keep acid from building up. When you sleep, you're venting acid with breathing, without creating more.
Games definitely felt a lot better. Especially when you could progress in such a straight forward manner. Life is not like that at all. When I play games I feel like I'm neglecting my real life.
I want them to remove the token, and make mercenary mode legit. Not just a way to make gold for the skilled player either, but there should be a HUGE focus on teaching the people being carried on getting better.
I know there would be a lot more to go into it, but I think that’s how we move towards a game that people love investing their time in again.
it's more like the way the game is set up.
they need multiple currencies, which can't really be traded. and phase gold out by making it useless.
but then another type of RMT might happen.. when ppl are straight up just selling their accounts.
it's not a fight you can win really.
I believe that Ascension is experimenting with a Mercenary Mode.
@@surgeofgaming6405 Man, I wanna play Ascension, more and more. It looks like it only ever gets better
@@robertg7249 Doesn't mean it's not worth trying. But people still boost characters, even though it takes like no time at all to level new characters now, so I do see your point, and I think a lot of the game does indeed have to change to solve this, but this could be a starting point I would hope.
Today I also give up on something
You guys need to move on from WOW
"Buying books would be a good thing if one could also buy the time to read them in: but as a rule the purchase of books is mistaken for the appropriation of their contents." -- Arthur Schopenhauer
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exciting like watching the The Hindenburg.
@asmogold I did spend 20k on a mobile game last year and yes it did ruined my entire yearly savings, i was depressed and it made me more depressed. It does ruin's people lives when we are vulnerable. I felt powerless in my real life environment and it felt good having a kind of a control over the power of my account until i realised too late that it was all just a scam and it just made everything even worst. My hobby became worst then my real life problems, it actually became my main real life problem. I now completely stopped all of it for 8 months now and still struggle financially to recovering from it. I now only play games that has no currencies whatsoever into them, simple multiplayer games that you buy for 20$, play and that's it. I will now only encourage games that have no shops whatsoever. I learned the hard way. I am a grown man and i fell for it, i can't imagine a teenager or a young adult starting his/her life and having to deal with this. It is horrible, a nightmare. I wouldn't wish that to my worst ennemies. When your favorite hobby becomes your worst nightmare and source of worries... It really do make you think about life. What a horrible world it is when the hobby that made me happy as a kid has no more heart in it. I know the entire world only care about money, everything revolve around it, but some things like books, movies, theater, paintings etc still are made by people who wanted to tell a story, to show their art, to please people, make them laugh and cry... The problem is when it is only seen as a business, milking the poor people, draining people as much as they can. I am now afraid of most games... What made my childhood great has now made my adult life difficult. What a sad, sad reality all this became. Goodluck fellow gamers, stay alert, stay healthy and be careful of the game you are chosing to ''play'' because now, that decision can really be the difference between having a depression or unwinding after a hard day at work.
love you all
@@StevensVidz it does feel like shit but I'm still glad it was that and not something even worst like alcohol or something. But yea it shouldn't be possible to happen.
2:35 I used to play league for 17 hours straight when I was 13 during the summer. it wasnt even ranked and I'd feel the same lmao.. I felt like I was the most accomplished guy in the world too. Now I'm 19 and I cant stand playing any game for 3 hours straight
Lost Ark has native GDKP. GDKP is basically the main form of loot for a certain subset of items
Never heard of GDKP until Classic. I was always in guilds with loot ocuncils or EPGP or some other loot system (EU). Gonna be honest, I really don't like the sound of having to farm gold to get gear.
Zack, you don't have a job you have to wake up to and spend 8 - 10 hours a day 5 days a week at just to be able to live indoors so Idk how it is you can relate to what he's saying.
was always GDKP's on kt, gold at the end was split between the people that didnt get anything, so in the end if you were just carrying you made the most of your time in the raids.