Everything Season 2 of Netflix's Avatar NEEDS to Do to Be Successful
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- With Netflix's Avatar The Last Airbender Season 1 now over, it's time to prepare for Season 2. We are going to do that in this video by breaking down everything Season 2 of Netflix's Avatar needs to do to be successful. Everything from the episodes, storylines, filmmaking processes and characters of the cartoon that should show up like our girl Toph. We are going to discuss it, and break it all down in this video! Enjoy!
Avatar: The Last Airbender is an American adventure fantasy television series. It is a live-action adaptation of the animated television series of the same name (2005-2008). The series is has released with Season 1 and now Seasons 2 and 3 confirmed for the future...
0:00 Intro
0:58 Season 2 Trailer Idea
2:00 How Many Episodes S2 Should Be
2:45 Mixing Together Storylines
3:05 Which Episodes/Storylines Should be Adapted
6:06 Adapting Toph
7:08 Other Side Characters in S2
8:58 Give Season 2 More Budget
9:49 More Focused Writing
10:09 Season 2 Tone
10:27 Better Directing for Actors
10:47 Outro
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We 👏need👏 more👏 episodes 8 won't work
💯👆Facts! This show needs a stranger things season 5 budget!
What budget does season 5 of Stranger things has? @@TheNicMMc
Yes, absolutely! Even season 1 felt a bit cramped in the ammount of time it was given, and season two is only more full of events! They probably need ten episodes minimum to make the story work.
Facts
Definitely. For sure!
They can't fuck up the Ba Sing Se arc at all!
Yes actually..., they absolutely can 😅😂😂
@@farhansaber9330 Shymalan would have done worse is all I can say 🤷♂️
Ba sing se is the resolution of all the build up during book2 (azula team chasing, zuko s first redemption, appa s lost days etc... )
Honestly, i fear it will be disappointing because a lot of the build up will be missing. We ll probably not yave the drill, nor the desert and appa s lost days.
That will only leave and oddly working iroh/zuko pair to try to make a believable redemption/betrayal arc...
And a Toph that s going to be butchered hard 😅
Toph needs a whole episode dedicated to her
I wouldn't mind seeing it although maybe not the ENTIRE episode
@@uncleirohsteashop I can agree, but to have it played out like in the original, we're she was the main focus of the episode, not a b plot. Because I don't want them to have mash an episode together with Toph, and have her introduction be rushed and sloppy like Jet (in my opinion)
@uncleirohsteashop no shes integral to the story. Making her seem any less important than she is would be insulting.
@@OrtegaSauce I literally never said she wasn't integral my guy don't put words in my mouth
Appa’s storyline is such an important emotional story beat. Not including it would be almost as detrimental as messing up Toph’s character.
Here's the thing... idk if I would go as far to agree with you that it's as detrimental as messing up with Toph but I do agree with you that it's a big emotional beat to his story and character. It was an arc that developed him more than anything else he did in the entire cartoon. If I had to make a fair point on what they should do with that, I think it would be that they adapt only some of that arc in order to compensate for budget. Don't do the whole arc but do the most important parts of it. Everything around the development portion.
They ll probably skip it.
It s a subplot, has little incidence on the main plot, and would be costly in CGI...
It is a great subplot, builds charactérisation and has a lot of emotionnal moments (aang going berserk only to be calmed down by a sorry looking katara... Always breaks my heart).
But they just don t have the time, talent and money to do it justice...
Let’s be honest… appas lost days was a filler episode as well. It doesn’t need to be in live action…. If anything maybe just the scene where the kyoshi warriors find him. If it just has that and then long feng hiding appa. That’s all it needs. And could be a total of 5 mins in an episode.
@@nwproductions5763 it might be filler in terms of the grand scale of the whole show but it was important for his character
@@nwproductions5763 The Appa cgi scares me
I’m hoping for 10 episodes too… biggest thing is pacing and character development! Adding 2 more long episodes can help with some down time between characters and to slow things down a bit 😊
The whole brainwashing theme gotta be super dark in live action 😂
Agree with that!
I really like what they did with Lt. Jee and the rest of the crew. I was thinking that they went hiding to begin a new life after the events in the north. Then in Season 2, after some years Zuko (maybe during his lone wanderings) will meet Jee who now has a much happier life. He would then offer Zuko food and shelter (remembering how he got spared from being sacrificed in war). This would also make Zuko realize how a simple happy life is much better than being a prince. But then along the way, he'll remember his destiny and the battle within him that he must discover for himself...
In Season 3, it would also be cool to see Jee and the other former crew finally help Aang conquer the Fire Nation during the eclipse to have some good Fire Nation guys which the cartoon lacks. They can also help out in planning the invasion since they are familiar with the city... Then when Zuko finally becomes the new Fire Lord, they will be reunited as they recreate an Episode 6's scene, but instead Jee will say: "Attention, our Fire Lord has arrived."
I think a cool change to the cartoon is that his crew is still helping him with his ship but they sacrifice themselves to let Iroh and Zuko escape capture from Azula
Years later?
This happens in a few weeks 😅
My idea, episodes
1. The Fire Nation City Of (return to omashu)
2. She who listens (toph)
3. The Chase
4. Afraid, alone, and learning (Zuko alone and when toph teaches Aang
5. Mysterious Dunes ( The library and the desert )
6. All the way to Ba sing se ( everyone’s journey to Ba sing se )
7. Appa’s lost days
8. The story’s of Ba sing se ( the city of walls and secrets, the tales of Ba sing se, and lake laogai)
9. The free Walls ( all episodes after lake laogai and before the crossroads or destiny )
10. The crossroads of destiny
I like the ideas behind this list
My biggest criticism for season one was that it was live action. That by itself lends itself to a whole shit bag of issues when trying to adapt the story. There are just some things they really can't do because of the "Budget" rather than the skill of the artists who are animating and storyboarding etc. Imagine how incredible it would be if they had the same budget as the live action, but given all the time they needed to really flesh out the story to an extent that simply wasn't possible with the original. It would be incredible if, say, the Northern Watertribe arc was four episodes instead of only two. You could really dive deeper into Sokka and Yue's relationship and Aang and Katara's struggles with learning waterbending from Paku. I just really dislike this trend of adapting animations into live-action because it's seen as "more mature". And yet the live action paradoxically comes off less so due to it's propensity to exo-dump any chance they get instead of believing in the intelligence of its audience.
Fair enough point of view to have especially when talking about Appa or Momo which are budget issues for that reason
The direction is the main culprit of any S1 criticism. A lack of cohesive vision to find a consistent tone, direct actors, work with the DPs to compose shots during dramatic scenes, and edit the episodes... all of that rests on the directors.
I hope netflix are taking notes, I really hope they're taking them notes🥶
At the very end of the teaser, they should show a headshot of Toph’s eyes opening. That would get me excited. S1 felt a little cramped, so some stuff was kinda confusing. If they can make it into 12 episodes for s2, I think it’ll flow better. Not seeing Aang practicing water bending in s1 was kinda disappointing but I guess they gunna do water and earth training in s2. I honestly just want the gaang to go back to Omashu, free Bumi and let him tell Aang about someone that waits and listen. Don’t drag it. Some of these side characters they have to meet cause they play a key role in helping the gaang in the future. So like Haru, the boulder, the swamp people etc you can’t cut them out. Toph, I can’t say this enough she has to be on point, no excuses. She’s literally the coolest in my opinion. I don’t know what you gotta do but the writers can’t fumble this. Okay, like don’t get me wrong the world building was stunning in CGI but honestly, I also want them to be in real environments. I felt like they were so focused on the effects that the writing and directing went over their heads. So what I’m looking for here in s2, I want better writing between these characters. I know they are young actors but I also want them to really deliver those lines better. Also, s2 and s3 are my favorite so I seriously don’t want them to change too much I actually need them to stay faithful as possible.
I like the point of her eyes opening at the end of the trailer, add it to my idea! Totally hear you on all your points so thank you for sharing feedback!
Just check who the head writer and lead director are...
A sports journalists and a rookie director.
They ll go for even more indoors treadmill studio and we can expect a truckload of cuts in the story (no haru, no swamp, no desert are my bet)
They just don t have the right people in the lead.
@@etienne8110 wait what? Who?
@@uncleirohsteashop head writer for the netflix adaptation is kim albert (google him, it s hilarious)
Head of filmography is michael goi, who s main achievement is "megan is missing". A 35k film in 2006 with more than "mixed" reviews... Again, Google it, it is hilarious.
Nepotism at it s finest.
They already cut out Haru, why wouldn't they cut out the swamp people and other side characters?
We need a scene of Lt. Gee singing a stirring love song
Lmao idk how much more they can give this character but potentially
Avatar the show that made my childhood, the show that showed us friendship, love and everything that's important in life.
you mispelled Naruto
I think it would be cool if they used the spinning brainwashing light at the end of the trailer or cut throughout it, to set up the mysterious/darker tone
Most of my problems with the series is how certain characters come across and their dynamics. I feel like they have to bend the story a lot in order for it to be great, because cramming all this seasons greatness into 8 episodes is gonna feel like a major speedrun
Listen, you’re not going to hear it anymore from anybody else but I firmly believe that if they make it eight episodes again, they’d be making a mistake. Especially if we’re talking about the fact that say they were to add season three parts to season two like they did with season one adding in season two parts I would personally dislike that. They shouldn’t have done that with season one and I think it messed up the pace and flow. Things definitely need more room to breathe.
@uncleirohsteashop lol i had knee jerk reaction to seeing the secret tunnel in this season. I thought that would be impossible to merge season 3 with 2 , but tbh they brang out the knowledge spirit you never know they might just make piandao part of the earth nation. But i doubt it highly, because i don't think masters outside of toph will be shown properly going off how paku was handled
For me the cartoon was ok in season 1 but became good in season 2. I hope this will also happen to the Netflix show.
For people who havent seen the cartoon this next idea contains spoilers for the s 2 and 3 cartoon: Here are my ideas on how to include appas lost days in the story, if netflix reads this feel free to use or adapt my idea. They can do appa's lost days on a more budget friendly way by losing appa in one episode, focus on the other charachters for the next episode but with glimpses on whats happening to appa. For instance following the Kyoshi warriors for a scene and suddendly they stumble upon appa in a cave like they do in the cartoon, and appa having a flashback to what happened before he remembers the kyoshi warriors are friends of aang and they can win his trust like they do in the cartoon.That way they can give a glimpse of appa's story and that he has been trough a rough time but it will be a lot shorter , plus you can re introduce the kyoshi warriors and that they are outside kyoshi island. This way it also works with the shows story in which zuko eventually finds appa and acts like in the cartoon. Which makes appa still like Zuko in s 3
I also liked the story of lieutenant jee, i hope he will appear in the show again . Perhaps as someone on the airships in the sozins comet part , with an important role that helps the team out a lot.
I hated the changes they did to Bumi, maybe they can fix it a bit in s2 or 3. Maybe being a prisoner changes him into old Bumi or something.
I agree with most, more episodes would be a lot better, and better dialogue. The dialogue was very explane-y . If there are more episodes they can interact on a more relaxed way and that would make it less nescessary to explain everything so much. They can fix on the charachters and world building more.
I liked the show and see it as an alternative universe to the cartoon. And hope they fix the dialogue and get toph right.
That would actually be a fantastic idea for appas lost days
Really like your thoughts on this. Most people have said that they like Book 2 more than Book 1. Your idea for Appa could be very good!
Here’s my theory on the episode list:
1. New Ozai
2. The Swamp
3. Toph
4. The Desert
5. The Library
6. The Pass
7. Ba Sing Se
8. The Drill
9. The Dai Li
10. Crossroads of Destiny
I feel like this will be a ten episode season, while s3 will be a 12 episode season. :D
Either way, can’t wait for Book 2 Earth and see who they cast as Toph! :)
Interesting take on the episodes that could be something they do
The more i think about it the more im expecting it to be worse then this season, i feel like there is much more for them to cover and get right along with them adding there own spice to situations.10-12 episode minimum is needed
I do like your vision though lol i do wanna say that 😅 i dunno how but i hope they do make it better
@@DoubleAStarRe just go in with it with an open mind we have no idea if it’s going to be worse
@uncleirohsteashop im keeping hope, but with this foundation character dynamic wise my expectations are low only in terms of characters. Ive done a review on it also please check it out if you have time.
Thanks.
Another idea for the teaser that may be less on the nose/more surprising would be them playing a rendition of the “Winter, Spring, Summer & Fall” instrumental since themes of spring (Appa shedding) and love are heavy this season
True, they can’t screw up season 2. It needs to be better in many ways. I liked the first season, but it had some flaws here and there. For example, I wanted to see the first Agni Kai between Zuko and Zhao which was such a missed opportunity. Their rivalry should have been explored more. Second season needs to be a bit longer than just 8 episodes, but at least 10.
Agreed
We shouldn't have had Azula, Ty Lee, Mai and Ozai shown so early. I think the 3 girls would have been better if they were introduced in the last episode of season one and play a big role in season 2 and ozai shows up halfway through season 3
I can understand that idea. It definitely felt like they were playing too many cards at the same time. I imagine they did that out of worry for not knowing if the last two seasons would be green lit. I am not sure but we can only speculate.
It'll be interesting to see what they do with the age aspect of Toph. The rest will have aged up with Gordon turning 15 and already has a deeper voice. Do they they age up Toph a bit? Do they keep her quite young without it feeling like the group is babysitting her? That casting choice will be toughest test.
I kinda want her to stay the same age because image of a little blind girl kicking ass is just comedy gold to me.
I think they can still cast like 1-2 years younger than the other 3
It isn't the biggest issue to me but I would also want more showing and less just telling when it comes to the writing. Also, less redundancy in dialogue and what information is being given. I agree with the opinion that there were times where the exposition and just downright having what is going on being told directly to the audience, and in several instances being told two or three times the same thing by different characters. I can put up with it, to me its not the most dire make or break thing for this show, but I do think it would be better, especially in the second season now that things are set up, story, lore, and world wise, to tone that down or remove that problem entirely, even.
Ya I did notice some redundancy in the dialouge especially with how many times Aang tells people he's going to "get things done with his friends"😅
@@uncleirohsteashop yes, exactly. The writing, particularly with dialogue, needs to be better thought out and refined, I think.
excited to see toph and the dai li
I loved the show. My three complaints were Bumi and the Omashu arc. There was too much going on, and they should have handled Bumi differently. We didn’t get to see a lot of the spirit world, but that’s more explored in Korra. And Aang didn’t even try to learn other bending. And Jong-Jong! They cut out Jong-Jong!
I guess that was four complaints. I liked the Jong-Jong episode. It’s where Katara realized she could heal
Jong Jong could come in some other time but who knows appreciate the feedback
Random but I’d really love to see flashback scenes of zuko and his mom expanded on… I want to see the discussion she had with Ozai after she found out zuko was to be killed after Ozai asked Azulon to be firelord
If the live action adaptation can do something great with Zuko and his mom akin to how they handled his relationship with this dad and uncle in Season 1 then honestly you are going to see a lot of fans happy. The mom stuff was a small portion of the family drama in the cartoon and seeing it expanded a little bit in the live action could be great.
I have a feeling that haru will appear in season 2 because since his a earthbender and season 2 is all about earth bending
He could although would they do the prison? I just don't know if it makes sense to bring in stuff from either Season 1 or 3 to S2. Just keep Season 2 what it is.
i think the first trailer will end with a pan up to the earth wrestling ring. The crowd cheering and we here " Put your hands together for the Champion.. THE BLIND BANDIT!" and we see the back of toph holding the belt. Cut to black... I also think they will probably cut the whole Shin Fu looking for Toph thing and find another way for her to discover metal bending. Hell the season will be so stuffed they might just save the metal bending for season 3 lol
I like your idea of the first point but who knows if they keep the shin fu plotline in
I seriously doubt they give us a full view of Toph in the first trailer. They're going to hype her up and make her a slow reveal. We may get a small glimpse of her, maybe a zoom in on her blind eyes or her feet reading a seismic sense. But we won't see her in full bending mode, at least until the 2nd trailer.
Bending? No I don't think that but I do think we get one shot of her though.
Leaves from the vine is a good suggestion, but I want them to add Avatar's love as the credit ends, maybe not in every episode but in the finale imo it would fit perfectly. Also Azula's iconic sound would be amazing! 🤍
Easy! TRUST THE AUDIENCE!!....and more episodes too :D
I can definitely see how some of the season one choices will help them streamline the beginning of season 2. I think the main points to hit in the first four episodes are going to be the following: EP1: showing Aang waterbending, introducing the gang to Azula at Omashu, EP2: meeting Toph, Zuko alone, EP3: This will probably be elements of The chase and bitter work and maybe leading them into the desert EP4: The desert/Library stuff, Losing Appa. I expect they will be arriving in Ba Sing Se sometime early in episode 5 at the latest and whether they do the drill or not, because they will NEED the last four episodes to take place there if they only do 8 episodes. My BIG question is when, where, and how much will fan favorite Suki show up, because she has some good places she COULD show up, but are bits of the cartoon that could get cut. But I think they seem keen on expanding her role a bit too so who knows.
Well given in Book 2 her main role was helping Appa during the lost days arc and then being attacked and captured by Azula I would think she doesn't have that big of a role. That and also helping that one family across serpents pass, but will that family even be adapted. So there are 2 points of which she can show up. I bet one will happen and the other won't or very little of it will.
@@uncleirohsteashop that's kinda my point. I wouldn't be surprised if they find new ways to add her in instead of where she shows up in the cartoon. They kinda need her to show up at least a little for her relationship with sokka to make sense in season 3.
@@ThompsonBrosStudios well I mean, given they fast tracked that part of the relationship the way it was done in book 2 I would think that it would just be them being happy to be with each other instead of them finding out that they actually like each other like how it was done in the cartoon.
I agree more episodes would be good. There would be more space for developing stories. What might also have been a reason to make series 1 in 8 episodes is the fact that several members of the main cast were young teenagers at the time of shooting. It isn't good for such young actors to be making so many long days on set and these days countries have laws putting constraints on child labour. And for good reason. But if pre production for series 2 and 3 has only just started, shooting will probably start somewhere next year and these concerns are less of an issue with the main cast since they're all 3 to 4 years older than when they shot series 1.
And they'll have to explain how Aang goes from 12 to 16 between series 1 and 2.😉
the story doesn't matter to the netflix suits. only the """spectacle""" does and even that's barely alright. we have 80 more minutes in live action s1 than animation s1 has. they're going to utterly underutilise the time they have so more episodes won't make a difference. the explanation for the time jump will be rushed+incomplete and established noncanon lore about sozin's comet may even get binned because it's plain unusable
I mean they might not specify in the show that he goes from 12 to 16 but we'll have to wait and see
Im glad the show was successful enough in S1 that we getting S2 and S3, because thats where the show really shine.
Something great about s2 and s2 its that they work better with longer episodes, so if we get 8 again i believe we wont feel they are rushing things.
I also fear we wont have a 1:1 with the Appa lost days or even the library, so im wondering how can they make those episodes work without spending all the budget.
Regarding the teaser or trailers, i hope we dont see Toph in action, maybe show the arena or Aangs vision, that episode i bet we get a 1:1 like the part with the blue spirit.
Season 2 needs a part 1 and part 2. 6 episodes apiece. 12 total episodes.
I would like that that could be interesting
I’m also wondering if they will show Jeong-jeong, haru and his father is any of the season 2 or 3. Jeong-jeong is quite an important side character since he’s part of the white lotus which s reveled at the last season. Haru (his father as well) is important since it helps develop katara’s character and would be part of the black sun episode. Also for jeong jeong, I think he needs to appear as he would try to teach aaang fire bending for a bit before aang stops since he hurts katara which is part of Aang’s development and reason to not fire bend. Hopefully they would appear, maybe haru on season 2 and jeong jeong for season 3? Or maybe all those characters I would mention would appear in season 2.
They might appear but if they do I hope it doesn't meddle with the pace of the season like stuff like that was done in Season 1
Whatever happens to the live action sessions 2 and 3, I will agree that the plot changes slightly like session 1.
As many stated more episodes are needed not only because more things happen in this season. But the characters need to be fleshed out more. I cant see most of the characters developing into what end game looks like. I feel like theyd need to do the fortune teller episode content for katara to even look aangs way like that
I don’t know if they necessarily need to do the fortune teller to get their relationship to that point because Aang had already had a crush on her before that and also keep in mind as we were going through book 3 Katara didn’t really feel the same way back just yet until we had gotten to the finale at the end
@uncleirohsteashop true i can see them going through the secret tunnel to establish their feelings tbh, my issue is that with all the foreshadowing, they have done aangs crush is non existent so far.
Katara was saying she was confused with everything going on fighting the war and all. Remember how into the fortunes she was she knew deep down that it was fate. Even in the cave she was feeling him in early season 2
@@DoubleAStarRe we'll have to wait and see
I stand by my 2027 or 2028 release date and argue that for it to be done properly, this is a more realistic time scale to get the season we want rather than another rushed season that doesn't quite hit the mark. Also, it's highly likely they will want to do seasons 2 and 3 as 1 block, perhaps with some sort of break in the middle. They might even film both together.
The casting of Toph will be important, but the writing for her will make or break the series as a whole, given just how crucial a character she is not just as Aang's earth bending teacher but how she interacts with the rest of team avatar (including Aang and Zuko) and how that affects their character development. Shin-Fu, the Boulder and Toph's earth bending teacher whose name I have forgotten absolutely should be adapted along with the Earth King, Basco, Long-Fen, and the Dai Li. I hope that the sand benders and the general plot of The Library, including Appa's kidnapping, are adapted, but I fear they might get dropped. I think the little boy and his family from Zuko Alone should also be adapted given that they provide a crucial insight to Zuko of how the rest of the world sees the fire nation and really begins the start of his journeytowards joining Aang and team Avatar.
Netflix is planning to film seasons 2-3 consecutively. Otherwise Aang is going to be an adult by the end of season 3…thats not going to work.🫤
It's rumored that they will film both seasons back to back
Since nowadays people can't really make shows that have more than 8 episodes, I'm guessing because of the budget, I really think s2 and 3 should be divided in 2 parts, so they don't cram the content and leave things out
I don't think that's the best move I would prefer they just add in more episodes
I have never watched the live action show, but I was excited for it until it was announced that Sokka's sexism was cut, and the more that i saw clips of the show, the less that I wanted to actually watch it. Now, judging from what I have seen from clips, I really don't think they will do Toph justice. She would probably be sidelined like Katara, and her character arc would most likely be destroyed, simply because of her how her parents treated her in the original show. Again, I have never seen the live action show, but I would in a heartbeat if my prediction for Toph is somehow wrong.
Not sure how the sexism stuff turned you off from watching when it's barely even noticeable but to each their own I guess. Idk how the clips of what you see make any connection to what they would do with Toph so I personally disagree there.
@uncleirohsteashop With the sexism thing, I was more worried about how they would have the siblings find Aang, since in the original, it was Sokka's sexism that drove Katara's temper over the edge, which lead her to revealing Aang with her emotional waterbending. And with my opinion on how they would do Toph, it's more so based on how they portrayed Katara and Suki in the clips that I have seen, which is either losing her personality like I have seen with Katara, or having her dabuet episode be about her relationship with Sokka like I have seen with Suki, and considering how they both were in the original series, I don't have high hopes for Toph. You can continue to disagree with my opinion, I just thought you should at least know my reasoning.
@@justadragonwithinternetacc4505 I see your reasoning I guess I just don’t understand the idea behind how you think on your reasoning. The way they introduce Katara and Sokka is really not any different to how it is in the cartoon. With regards to how Sokka is portrayed towards Suki in this version they make it more of a teen flirty relationship that’s awkward. I personally thought it was a little rushed, but that was my only real issue with it.
What season 2 really needs to be successful is a new season 1
Lol they aren't starting over if that's what you suggest
If netflix are going with tradition using book 1, book 2 and book 3 then i think Zuko should join the gaang early
When you say early you do mean Season 3 right? Him joining them in Season 2 would I feel be too early.
@@uncleirohsteashop Actually yes season 3. Also, i think would be a perfect teacher to teach Sokka how to use a sword beside Piandao
@@gamernamedazzim that could be but we'll see what happens with that
For me:
1.hire better writers
2.GET TOPH RIGHT (the rest of the show depends on this!!)
3. 10 episodes would be nice for season 2. If not then follow the narrative as closely as possible.but let the characters breathe.
First season writers needs to sit down for s2
toph can't make the difference. the way toph is written could but we already know it's gonna be more bad writing
@@nirgunawish who shit in your coffee
@@nirgunawishBeing that pessimistic is sad, ngl...
Yeah, there's no way people aren't going to be brought in to help tighten up the writing@@Savage.-_.Gamer1
I tried following the positive, hope for the best commentators but was let down. The skepticism I had for s1 now rests over s2 & 3. Albert Kim has stepped down as show runner so maybe they'll make some other big changes in creative leadership. I feel like they can improve on the critiques they recieved in s1, like the dialogue, acting, and writing in general, but where do they go with the story? They made some consequential changes in the first season that will affect the world moving forward. The spirit world was mangled, the comet powered benders were unimpressive, Katara's personality, and some other stuff I can't think of right now. They need to have a plan for the story, char dev, and themes for s2 through 3 going into this. They have a lot of ground to cover to give us the compelling characters, lore, and story we did not get in S1, all this without making the changes and transition jarring and disjointed.
I would like to see improvement in many areas too and I feel there are some people out there that feel I am all in on the show saying it's god tier and what not and that's not at all what I am saying. I think some things need to be bettered. The stuff with the comet was coming and we knew that before the show even dropped.
Exactly what I’ve been saying. There is no saving the most important thing: the story. They can improve all the technical stuff (acting, editing, directing, choreography, effects etc), but this is a different story about different characters.
@@uncleirohsteashop I don't think you were all praise for S1 but I do think some of the Avatar commentators are more rosey in their outlook than signs would merit, not to say there aren't a lot of commentors who come off as negative for negativity sake, without providing insights or facts. I admit I would catch hype fever after some of the trailor drops and tv spots but my gut feelings and concerns always came back. It just seemed like some Avatar CCs would glance over the signs of bad acting and dialogue that were present prerelease, and the show validated my concerns. The problem with the comet was not not having Roku warn Aang but how underwhelming it's affect was on the fire benders, other than the flying it all looked like regular firebending.
@@maelxidel8979 I'm concerned for the story but I see the possibilities for a decent book two, though sometimes it seems useless and doa. If Bk2 can do all the things mentioned it will be magnitudes better than S1, fixing the show-not-tell problem itself would have made S1a significantly better show; it would have fixed a lot. I think it's unavoidable that S2 will need more episodes and a new crack team of writers, like Netflix needs to get smarter with the budget and invest in some experienced writers and maybe some story consultants who know the material, then maybe they can correct or mitigate some of the missteps from S1. They really have to do all the fixes to get a win, and I'd be happy with that.
@@olli-lfe lol who knows if the fire stuff was just a CGI budget thing I mean me personally I felt the power. Also I think you'll find that many commentators aren't in the mood to want to talk about the live action at the moment.
Hard agree on additional episodes. I still maintain that two more episodes in Season 1 would have worked out the pacing issues, especially at the front end of the season.
I'm actually not overly concerned about performances, as I realize that this was the first time several of the kids have acted, and experience and self-confidence are good teachers, so I think they'll do better in Seasons 2 and 3, I'm not too worried about that.
They can absolutely work Tales from Ba Sing Se and Appa's Lost Days into the show, but space them out. We don't need one episode dedicated to Appa trying to get back to Aang; that can be shown parallel to Aang searching for him, so it can be spaced out. As for Tales, each one of those can be worked into the time they're all in Ba Sing Se, so it, too, can be stretched out and broken up. That said, I do think when it comes to Iroh's Tale, that should be addressed asap, like when he and Zuko arrive, they pass the spot where Lu Ten was killed, and Iroh feels the need to put paid to what happened, so he can move on. If it's Lu Ten's birthday, even better, but addressing that hurt for Iroh needs to be done. The funeral scene in Season 1 was a beautiful moment, and so touching, but this is the event that led Iroh to turn his back on the war, and his family to some extent, and that needs to addressed.
Toph is going to be the main point here, they're gonna have to get her right. Not having her in the show is gonna tank it out of the gate, and I just can't see this team even consider dropping her, so I'm not worried there. But fleshing out her seismic sense and how she uses it, especially in combat, is going to have to be done right. I'm not a filmmaker, so I don't have suggestions there, but I do think they need to weigh their decisions with how she's presented. Whoever the actress ends up being, she *has* to be Toph. Just has to. You can't play around with her, because that's not who the character is. But they have to get the humor right, too, because that's a big part of her character, too. That should be the first thing that the team works on, getting her right.
On a personal note, as far as effects go, and this was a pet peeve I had in S1: waterbending needs the follow through. The actual bending looks fine, I have no issue there, but there are several instances in S1 where waterbending occurs, and no one looks like they got wet from it afterwards. Katara accidentally hitting herself with the water whip in Omashu is a good example. She hits herself, there's a splash, but looks dry as a bone immediately afterward. So please, Netflix, if you're reading this, fix that little issue for me, please, okay?
Overall, I feel like going forward, it'll be smoother paced, because the setup and initial worldbuilding have been addressed, so exposition shouldn't be so heavy from now on. They just need to work on tightening up the writing and making sure Toph is done right, and if they do more episodes per season, that should balance out storylines much better. Plus, I wouldn't mind seeing more of Jee and the 41st have a bigger role, I like the way they made the crew more of an actual part of the story instead of just being the long-suffering, faceless sailors who serve Zuko and lose at Pai Sho to Iroh. Give us music night!
Appreciate all this feedback I agree with most if not all of it
In my opinion, I want the season 2 tone a little bit like how Avengers Infinity War was done.
Also for the number of episodes, if they want to divide the opening sequence equal to each 4 elements, 12 episodes should be okay (1 element for 3 episodes)
I think you might see that kind of tone. You think you won but something just comes in and stops that happiness and victory.
@@uncleirohsteashop hopefully the showrunner really pay attention to our feedbacks...
Do we really need to hear Leaves from the Vine again? It already played twice in episode 4. I don't think they're doing the tales episode. And yes Appa's lost days is definitely not getting added, budget reasons.
rare case of quantity could've been better than quality
Unless almost none of the other cast is in the Appa’s Lost Days episode, I bet it’ll be cut. Big cgi bison and mechanical rig do be expensive.
Lol why not? If tales does get adapted that would have to happen.
@@uncleirohsteashop i just think they paid their homage to it by showing lu ten's funeral.
@@VeelouC I mean, did they not do that twice in the cartoon as well? We see Iroh over his grave in the cartoon and mourning him in tales. They did the jingle, but they didn’t do the actual song and again this would just be for the trailer.
I disagree with your teaser only cause they already used leaves from the vine in season 1 I feel like if they use it again so soon it will be seen as miking that emotion and I don’t like it if they hadn’t used it in season 1 I agree it woulda been perfect caused it could be seen as a deeper exploration into iroh and his relationship with zuko as well as toph since he does talk with her
To that point I hear what you mean although they only used a small part of the jingle
I think it was confirmed that they are bringing in Toph starting with season 2, just no casting announcement as of now.
Lmao well ya I would hope so
I'm not at all good at estimsting CGI costs, but since Appa is already visually developed, doesn't that mean that the CGI costs in that area are gonna be reasonable and a Appa's lost days may be possible? Again, I dont know how all of that works...
Idk how it works either, they have the models of these characters down so again if I had to take a guess the best way to do appa's lost days is not given it a full episode but sprinkle it in through each episode after he gets captured
Since there's no library I think that am avatar is just gonna give aang a vision of the eclipse I'm a significantly less satisfying scene. Also irohs speech in Lake laogai will be neutered since appa likely won't be kidnapped and zuko never got stuck in the norths tundra. So the two key aspects of that speech aren't present
It has not been confirmed once that the library won't show up
They should have The Rock play the boulder
Lol idk if fans would like another casting for his character or to go the meta route and have it be the rock
This really needs to be two seasons... i think season 1 should have been two 8 episode seasons as well.... but book two needs it even more
That's the only thing that makes me sad about it getting renewed for 2 more seasons because I could've seen at least 3 more seasons if they broke up the books into 2 parts. But I really hope they make it 10-12 episodes long for the final 2 seasons. I would love 14-16 so they can really tell the full story as it builds but i know that's not happening.
I don't know if I necessarily agree with that, I think have more episodes in one season is more reasonable than having separate seasons
@@uncleirohsteashop definitely it's more reasonable but with the 8 episodic structure of Netflix shows, wishfully a part 1 and part 2 of the books retelling with expanded storylines and more time building the rapport of team avatar would be amazing, though unrealistic. And while they can (and did) cut and remix a lot of season 1, not too much of that can happen with season 2's story. And season 2 is definitely the best season overall, with the season 3 4-part finale being tied with that, so definitely we just want more episodes to do the story justice in live action.
Jin should be there.
Lol idk if Jin will be there or not but we will see
2:34 wdym all seasons had 20 and the last one had 21
Whelp I admit that's somehow something that flew over my head. My bad I own up to that I thought I read it as 22.
Working backwards finale in Cave, Returning to city,Team split up, Dali defeated, stopping Azula invasion, travel stories, Toph,Aang returns to Omashu. Things are going to not make it.
Lmao if they don't return to Omashu after literally mentioning it in the finale that's some oversight there😂
@@uncleirohsteashop That's was the first episode. My concern is how many small stories will be cut for what I list as the travel episode. This is just my theory on an 8 episode structure. To not be surprised when some beloved scene is cut.
@@Dryltd again if they do 8 episodes I will be annoyed
I hope they focus more on the action and working on some better camera work. They're phoning it in on the writing, which sucks, but I know Netflix isn't going to change
To each their own I definitely saw some writing flaws but not so many that it completely destroyed the show. Action will only be getting bigger and bigger so I would yes give it more attention and focus.
Only one thing needed: remake season 1
I can't tell if you and a few others have said this are being jokey but obviously it's not happening
@@uncleirohsteashop Yeah its another way of saying that its already ruined. There are many good RUclips videos on how it was ruined. It was sad for me but expected given the news of the departure of the original creators. I just don't think a season 2 and 3 can patch it up but prove me wrong please.
@@MrFredde9999 I mean that's your opinion it doesn't make it fact
@@uncleirohsteashop Didnt mean to say it was facts, my opinion thats shared by many others
@@MrFredde9999 right just like the opinion that people like the show is also shared by many others
wonder what happens with suko and his crew. in the la the crew find out they where the 42 batalion that supposed to be secreficed. so i suspect they wouldnt leve there prins like in the animation serie.
would like to see how they stand up for there prince and get killed. maybe they can tell prins zuko and ihro to run, while they keep them up.
Need to fix up the grammar here but I think I get what you're saying. I think there could be a potential showcase of the crew sacrificing themselves to not let them be captured from Azula. Could be an interesting change to what happened in the cartoon.
@uncleirohsteashop sorry, my English isn't really that good. But indeed, I like the changes they did and I'm fan of zuko and iroh. They got true a lot in season 2. Am more looking forward to see what happens with them than the rest of the series.. like, of course they met taph and lot of other peeps totally not needed for the show, but what happens with our be loved Prince?
they retell the story like someone who can't explain themself and their thoughts well. s2 is gonna focus only on the recognisable stuff but it won't be faithful whatsoever. and s3 is going to get called off.
i don't doubt we will get something entirely different from returning to omashu/bumi for aang's earth training and that it will never be mentioned again. because none of the dialogue really matters to the netflix writers, and that's why bryke left.
Lmao idk if I will go as far to agree with any that
Off topic, but say Netflix decides to remake TLOK in live action after this. Do you see see Cliff Curtis playing Korra's dad Tanraq and Aasif Mandvi playing Korra's uncle Unalaq? Those two actors may portray the said characters even better than they could Ozai and Zhao in the Shamyalan movie.
That's so interesting that you mention those castings for what could be a hypothetical TLOK live action. If they did that, idk how fans would feel. I could see it though!
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If we don’t get Appa lost days. Throw everything away.
Lmao I might have some bad news for you then
I wasn't a huge fan of the first season but if they learn from their mistakes this live action series can't be salvaged
I still will stand by that the first season is the most 6.5-7/10 season of television I've seen in a long time. Its got great to good stuff and other stuff that needs improvement.
Two things.
1)fire the writers and directors of season 1
2) hire seasoned replacements.
If they keep the current team it is just a disaster in the brewing.
I need to do more research into the writers and directors but I would say mostly change the directors and keep a few writers and lose a few
@@uncleirohsteashop the writing team is a huge issue.
Google them, it s worth it. The head writer for the netflix adaptation is a sports journalist with no past fantasy work.
Direction is an sfx specialist with little experience as executive director. Thus the overuse of the indoors treadmills cgi studios.
Really worth the time to dig why this first season felt so wrong.
@@etienne8110 what's the name of the head writer?
@@uncleirohsteashop kim albert
@@uncleirohsteashop weird, it feels like yt is censoring it. I ve answered you yet my answer doesn t appear...
It s: a l b e r t k i m
They've screwed up pretty much every female character so far (Katara, Suki, Azula and even Yue). I don't think they can afford to mess up Toph too.
I don't agree with that but to each their own I guess
Nah, they removed the character's flaw in the season one. You might expect Toph will not be blind and she will be a sweet girl 😅😅😅
Lmao you think Toph won't be blind?
Im going to be honest about this: Netflix needs to do less! They tried to fit too much of season 1 into their adaptation. It wasn’t needed! They need to tell us this story the way that fits an 8 episode structure. Do less episodes but expand them. This shows best moments are where they expanded storylines (Iroh extended conversation with the earth kingdom soldiers). I don’t want this to be close or a 1:1 of the cartoon…if anyone wants that just watch the cartoon. Make an Avatar show that has good writing and story close to the original but not a recreation of the cartoon.
I feel bad for the Toph actress who ever they cast. With the way fans criticized almost everything about the adaptation at some point. Trying to portray a blind but not blind girl in live action is going to be hard even for the best actors.
Ya well don't worry about those fans they don't get it. I get what you mean with doing less. I think it would be best for them to not bring over anything from Season 3 like how Season 1 brought over Season 2 stuff. That messed up the flow of Season 1.
Show firelord Azulon
If people's major criticism was that 8 episodes were too short then who is paying for these extra episodes. Stories of Basingse are filler and expensive but are also the easiest to incorporate within the 8 episode season.
That's just what some fans think would be better for the series to help let itself breath more
@@uncleirohsteashop I think it is denying reality. Remember what people thought would fit into this first season's 8 episodes. Oh to be that innocent again. They are likely cutting anything that isn't vital to major stories of Book 3. Like Haru my sweet boy. Whereas the mechanist and Jet must be included for Black Sun and the Lake. Everyone sticking around get your scissors out now.
@@Dryltd we'll have to wait and see
I'm the only one who thinks that the show writers are not going to be able to recreate the masterpiece that is "Appa's Lost Days" in live action ??, in fact i would prefer for them to just to skip the episode completely !! .
Idk if I agree fully on that I mean I like the relationship Aang has with him in the Netflix show we just didn't get enough of it
I think the best thing they can do is cancel it you can’t recreate a master piece
Lmao well that's not gonna happen now
@@uncleirohsteashopwhat a waste of money
Netflick aint gonna contact you fam
They just gonna use your idea 💀💀
Probably but who knows, being able to sue them for it is not a bad idea🤷♂
Um... So, why does cartoon Toph have bright green eyes in your thumbnail? Cartoon Toph has clouded over blue eyes. Have yet to see live Toph, but live Katara and Sokka have brown eyes and lighter skin than cartoon versions.
Not sure what the big deal is?
Nothing it can do to save itself, it's way too late
I don't agree, it's never too late
They need to split the seasons in half. Season 2 should end at the Drill, season 3 should entirely be Ba Sing Sa. Season 4 should end on the Invasion, season 5 Sozins commit.
It's nonsense , even if making a divide you need to do this rationally. The whole season 2, then part of season 3 split leaving the grand finale of 4 parts of Sozin's comet to shoot at the last moment
I hate to break it to you but there's no chance they do that and also I would not personally do that either
They need to step up the bending fights. This show doesn't know if it wants to be a magic series or a martial arts series pick a tone and stick with it
I didn't think the bending was that bad. I think they tried maybe a little too hard to focus on attention to detail as opposed to the effect that bending does have when it's being used in fights. Attention to detail is great but it can't overtake the main purpose of its power.
Nah 8 episodes is not enough wtf is Netflix on
Albert Kim leaves the show
Indeed he did. I saw the news and I have a video going up tomorrow morning about it.
They need to scrap it and start over. Too much has been ruined to save it
I personally disagree but also why would you start over lol?
@@uncleirohsteashop any real fan of the original show would likely agree with me considering there’s no depth and no real art in this NF show.
@@user-lg6ij6to4r lol idk if you’re in any position to say who a real fan is or not. There are people who like the live action and there are people who don't. The fans who do like it aren't automatically "not real fans" because they like it.
@@uncleirohsteashop if you support that lame money grab you fail as a fan especially considering the original creators of the show left years ago due to the story changes. If it wasn’t for the hard work and love the original creators put into the show it would have never been as great as it is.
@@user-lg6ij6to4r lol I’m sorry bud, but I’m gonna say to your face but the only person here who’s not a real fan is you. If you think you have any right to come in here and tell people they’re not real fans because they like something that you don’t then you are doing the exact thing that is ruining how people even try to consume entertainment these days or want to talk about it. If you can’t respect the fact that some people don’t think the way you do then you’re not living in reality. It’s hard for people to even like things anymore because they’ll just get lambasted by people like you. Maybe do some thinking and realize what you’re saying is out of line. You have every right to not like the adaptation, no one is taking away from you. But at the same time, don’t try to take it from others because you might think you think highly over them. Real fans do not talk like the way you do real fans know that art is subjective and that people can like what they want and dislike what they want. No one fails as a fan for liking something or disliking something. Get that through your head.
Not exist. That is how it will be successful given how bad season 1 was. I wish they would give up on ATLA live actions. They aren’t good. Let’s keep the memory of one of the greatest shows untarnished by recreations.
You can't really tarnish something that isn't changed and still exists in my mind. Of course you can only see the cartoon as the only one that exists.
No offense but netflix won't see this video and they aren't contacting you if they do
You know, it’s funny you say something like this because for one you could easily have taken the point of what I said as me not being totally serious, but also secondly who’s to say that they wouldn’t see this video? After all, Gordon Cormier the kid who plays Aang found the Avatarist and watched his videos.🤷♂️
Hot take… Don’t need tales of Ba Sing Sa…. It was a filler episode and everything about it was lame and boring. Only good thing that came out of it was iconic leaves from the vine. 99% of that episode sucked.
I don't deny it's filler I think most fans would agree but it's a fun side episode of that season. They might not need to give it its own episode but mixed it in like I said.
@@uncleirohsteashop That episode honestly only needs things like again Iroh honoring his son clearly. Completely get rid of Aang and sokka stuff, but I think have katara and Toph hanging out while Aang and sokka are doing something within the main story line would be a solid mix.
What season 2 needed was for season one to be good. The show is dog shit. Best to stop talking about it now so we can all move on with our lives in peace.
Lol stop talking about it? So then why are you here talking about then? Also there have been times in tv history where a show didn't start well but got better. No reason to just bury it completely.
I don’t think they can save this show. They fucked up the story
I don't agree, just because something isn't perfect doesn't mean it can't become better over time
@@uncleirohsteashop This show wasn’t just “imperfect” it was bad. Can they improve? Well, given how awful and amateurish the writing&directing were, it wouldn’t take much for those to “get better”. But I don’t think this can be saved simply because they made several crucial mistakes that will affect the rest of the story. Obviously, these writers don’t have the ability, the talent, and the time to fix them. Maybe I’m wrong (doubt it) so we’ll see.
@@maelxidel8979 I think you and others have such a negative and pessimistic look on how things like this can be done. I am not saying you can't be disappointed with the first season but there have been many television shows that didn't have the best of first seasons and went on to be great or good in quality. Don't be so quick to just put something down.
@@uncleirohsteashop You don’t seem to understand what I’m saying. Can the quality of the show improve? Theoretically yes, of course. Can they save the adaptation? No. They changed major character traits, arcs, dynamics, and storylines that affect the overall story. Not to mention that they completely changed the essence and philosophy of the show. You can definitely call me negative and pessimistic since I have zero trust that they can produce something good (or even decent) for the remaining seasons, but that doesn’t mean they can’t. My point is that great or terrible, whatever they come up with it’s not going to be a good adaptation of the source material.
@@maelxidel8979 I don't fully agree so I guess we'll just think differently on that
netflix not watching pal😭😭😭
They honestly could be
Hopefully
You never know
They need a male, buff, 17 year old to play Toph. I am serious.
Lol we'll have to wait till they do the Ember Island episode for that to happen