Project EP3 Honda Civic Si: Why the Suspension Sucks and How to Fix It!
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Us nerds at MotoIQ like to think we do a pretty good job setting up a car so it handles great, but did we bite off more than we could chew with (arguably) Honda's worst handling Civic--the EP3 generation? What did we do to correct it? Did it work? Watch to find out, with MotoIQ's chassis engineer, Mike Kojima, and test driver, Karla Pestotnik!
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Suspension (7:53)
Whiteline Polyurethane Rear Bushings (8:00)
Fortune coilovers (8:35)(12:59)
10kg rear spring (9:42)
7kg front spring (10:10)
24 mm Whiteline rear swaybar (10:30)
Hardrace balljoint (11:29)
Whiteline bushings front and rear lower control arm (12:01)
Hardrace bump steer correction kit (13:08)
SHG Motorworks block (13:45)
24mm Whiteline front sway bar (14:42)
Tires (15:19)
Enkei rpf1 17x8in 35mm offset (15:40)(18:55)
235/40/17 nitto nto5 tires (15:50)
Roll fender lips (16:05)(19:00)
RSX type S hubs (16:44)(19:09)
RSX type S knuckle (16:57)
RSX type S axle (17:15)
Brakes
Wilwood 6 piston calipers (18:26)
Centrics slotted rotters, heavy duty pads, braided steel lines, caliper (19:14)
Under appreciated comment😤 thank you!
Very helpful thanks
Sorry if I missed it in the video but do you have any idea how much this might cost to run on an EP3?
Thank you
You're the man!! Thank you.
rumor has it he is still smiling to this day.
Bahahahhahaa
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Thank you so much, you really help me out!
this guy really knows his shit. i am very impressed and it was a joy to listen and learn.
Mike Kojima is import tuner OG. He is an accomplished motorsports engineer, working for race teams and OEM's over the years, and currently the chassis enginer for Daijiro Yoshihara. He's been a contributor/editor for tons of the import magazines over the years. Like you said, he 100% knows his shit :)
Suspension guru for sure.. Learned a lot from this video
Mike Kojima is an automotive engineering legend. I used to follow his project builds when he wrote for Sport Compact Car back in the day.
I currently own my second EP3, and this addressed every issue I've ever thought of with it.
I'm fairly certain he is actually a wizard.
@@MotorsandMetal same here!! Literally every suspension issue I have had.. And the fairly inexpensive fix for it..
This guy is the biggest NERD EVER!!! i love it!!!! finally someone who's talking about the science of handling from an artists POV
I bought one because I can't afford a truck, but I also enjoy purchasing 8ft long 2x4 to store in my garage for no reason at all.
The video demonstrates that Mike's understanding of the steering and suspension design of this car is quite poor. Most of the mods he recommends have the opposite of their intended effect, and many his claims about the geometry are simply untrue. And his assertions about the car's design intent have no actual basis in reality and are purely his own speculation.
It says a lot about MotoIQ that they have not corrected or removed this video.
This guy helped me understand what I needed to do to fix bump steer, and overall improve my EP3. I love watching this video. Also, it's great to know the good body structure, makes me feel like I chose my chassis well
Many of his statements demonstrate a lack of understanding about the this unique, unconventional steering design - the modifications that he recommends typically would have the opposite of their intended effect. The assumptions he makes about the design intent, and associated negative remarks, are essentially baseless, and are not accurate.
This man is making a tech out of anyone that’s teachable!
Despite being a sort of unpopular platform there's a lot of juicy info in here.
OMG, No Kidding! This guy is an Angel sent from heaven!
Holy crap! MIKE KOJIMA IS STILL AT IT! One of my favourite contributors of the Sport Compact Car era.
"This car corners like crazy." Yep! Own one myself with a lot of suspension upgrades and holy sh*t did I learn a lot about other suspension bits and steering upgrades from your incredibly informative video here. God Bless you my friend, thank you!
Right on!
Don’t have this guy speaking at a funeral. Everybody : “ why does he keep smiling” lol
This is one of the greatest car videos I've seen on youtube or TV. Such a good delivery style. Super technical while still digestible to the driver looking to modify and/or solve problems with their car. Thank you guys for doing this. Mike is the man.
Ive been saying for years that Honda should have never got rid of the double wishbone suspension. Best Motoring has a video I saved that compares the DC2 Intergra to the DC5 Integra in regards to their different suspension setups. I personally hate McPherson suspensions. I was thrilled when Porsche introduced double wishbone to the front of the new GT3. The reviews of how tossable the GT# is in a corner is remarkable. I have a 98 Accord with multilink up front. Its wonderful! The dual axis strut is what BMW and the New Honda Civic type R use. I still don't like them. Imagine how good the civic type-R would be if it wasn't compromised and employed the double wishbone or multilink suspension! Honda needs a reality check.
All the best-handling cars I've driven had some type of double-wishbone. The first-generation G20 was probably the best of all, and I remember a drive chasing a (then new) early Boxster through Glenwood canyon. He literally slowed down and did a double-take as I passed, wondering what humble sedan could possibly have kept up with him (indeed gained in every curve, to have him then pull away on every straight). By contrast my E30 325i, despite the reputation, had struts up-front and was NOT a great-handling car. It was well balanced, but it had bump steer, was radically affected by winds, and was kind of a mess on fast bumpy sections. Here's the thing, though: overall I enjoyed the E30 much more than the G20; likewise my (new-to-me) Civic Si, and even some other, humbler cars, all with struts. So even though I agree that proper wishbone-type suspensions are better, for me they don't make or break the whole car.
I watched the whole video without even owning an EP3. Make a video like this for the Sentra B13 and I'll love you guys forever!
We do have one of our own....may just need to throw the "Classic" on the rack.
thank you guys for all your hard work man seriously, when I got my EP3 i thought it handled great for a daily when stock, but by time the car started handling worse and worse by time " not knowing it was the rack slider taking a shit". and when lowering it it just went to solid shit. i tried looking for fixes and got stiffer bars, polyurethane front control arms, extended lower ball joints. and still had horrible wondering. and then learning about the DuPont black Delrin material rack slider from your web site it fix all the problems and made me remember why i loved this car again. and mixed with the inverted tie rods this car is solid. now i love having a great handling car with ought having a stiff harsh daily. It's a bitch to get to that point with this car, but it's worth it with it's wonky short shifter and comfortable daily. again couldn't Thank you guys enough!
My first drive in the rain after summer in the EP3 had me sideways coming off the freeway doing about 55mph. Meanwhile, the same exit in my EG8 and EK1 doing the same mundane commute, never experienced that issue. A few years down the road and I moved to an area with tons of roundabouts. EP3 was like skating on ICE even going 15mph, though my tires were pretty old (8-9 yrs) by that point so idk if that was a suspension issue. lol
The FN2 was the absolute worst Civic in every way. I have always has a soft spot for the EP3.
have you ever driven one?
How is it the worst?
Handling wise, the FN2 does have some improvements over the EP3. The FN2 has a conventional steering rack that has decent enough feel for an electric rack. The FN2 rear suspension (although the beam is unfortunate), has the shocks outboard of the springs (unlike the EP3) and therefore has a much longer stroke available for the shocks. The EP3 rear shocks are unusually, and alarmingly, short. Disclaimer: I had a FN2 and now have a DC5 (basically an EP3). :)
TassieLorenzo does the dc5 have the same suspension?
TassieLorenzo I think it’s the looks of the fn2 that has always put me off has always been my least fav type r I really don’t know what it is. In order for me it has to be dc2>fd2/dc5>ek9>ep3>fk8>fk2>fn2 you’ve done well with the dc5 love them 😝
I couldn't stop smiling cause I felt like you were smiling the whole time...infectious...and you look like an Asian Mannie Fresh...+1 for that...great video, too...I wanted an EP3, but not no mo
That's actually a natural reflex man, to smile when others are smiling at us.
He's just high af.
thanks for the tech info, only just bought my ep3 type r recently and its a good car, took it through afew canyons driving it in anger and there's afew things that were mentioned in video (bump steer, numb steering and the rear does feel twitchy at times ) good to know that they can be fixed with simple bolt ons. Great video thanks alot
I just picked up this car today. Test drive was cool. Was used to driving a 2008 civic hybrid. So I wasn’t sure of what I was looking for as far as feel goes. Las Vegas highway driving is TERRIBLE! The North bound 95 had me feeling nervous on the way home from the purchase. I’m glad I found this video. I look forward to diving in to this thing as I go. Thanks in advance for the tips!
I didn't like these cars until I owned one, and now I miss it every day. If you want some more suspension advice, look to the old forums; there's a guy, mustclime or something like that, that has these dialed in.
They have some inherent geometry issues, but it's not hard to make them handle great. Look at how well loved the type r is. He had similar advice; control the roll with the back with stiffer springs and sway bar, go less bar (if any) up front and softer springs. Lowering is a death sentence past 2" or so.
These are seriously fun cars. And practical! I'm 6'1 and could walk through the back seat area (crouched, but walking) to clean it. Unlike my brother's hatch and eclipse where I could barely sit in them.
very good knowledge about suspension geometry! thank you, Mr. Kojima
Just installed: Buddy Club N+ Coil overs, Progress rear sway bar kit, front LCA bushings, Megan Racing RCA Ball joints, and the Hardrace In-versed Tie Rod ends. Car handles so much better now! Like a go cart! So much rotation. Just need that rack slider now.
This video helped me out a lot on my backroad banger ep3. Replicated everything here minus the control arm caster adjusters and it's a massive difference from stock clapped suspension with coilovers.
This guy definitely knows what he is talking about. I test drove this car back in 2006 when I was looking for a sport hatch. I asked the salesman sitting alongside me if the tires were low or flat. Steering felt horrendous. He told me "Oh thats the electric steering, it feels different". Terrible feeling handling and steering. Immediately noticeable.
This guy is pure smiling gold! 😊
This video was amazing. I love the ep3 chassis
This vid helped me out so much, did all my upgrades myself & saved me so much money not to mention better handling
I just finished the chassis on my Civic-EM2. Thanks for this video, it gave me some inspiration.
I used the SHG steering rack slider as well, I was able to do it by myself in the garage with the stock D17A2 and steering rack in the car.
I loosened the center boot on the rack from its perch's, turned the rack all the way to the side of the motor where the airbox was removed, and shimmied it out from the side and shimmied the new one in.
I also did full bushing kit on the control arms, trailing arms from Hardrace. I also used Hardrace ball joints, and adjustable rear upper control arms from Hardrace.
BC racing coilovers
The wheels were changed to EP3 Type-R wheels in Silver with 205/45-17 Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3+ tires.
I used base model RSX hubs/spindles/wheel bearings and RSX Type-S brake rotors, calipers, and pads. The speed sensors were retained using EP3 speed sensors.
I used OEM sway bar links and OEM outer tie rods, adjustable inner-tie rods from DaVinci Racing. I retained the factory 2005 EM2 front sway bar and 13mm rear sway bar with new bushings for both.
The car was professionally ride-height adjusted to not scrape on any of the driveways, aligned for aggressive street driving, tires were road force balanced and the car was also four corner balanced.
It's fucking amazing now.
I can't wait to k-swap. I can't decide on a swap, the possibilities are endless and I don't know what my power goals are. I've already got a DC5 subframe, DC5R hubs with buddy club roll centers, hasport motor mounts, DC5S pedal set, DC5 shifter and shifter cables. Still have a lot of parts to collect.
Great vid, great explanations of the bump steer and roll center issues. Wish I knew to do these to my EP3 back when I was single and could mod freely. I did maybe half of what you guys did, but these extra bits (ball joints, LCA bushings, and Delrin steering rack insert) would've been very nice icing on the cake.
those pieces are really the bits that make it all work.
Yup. I also never found out why the rear springs on my Mugen suspension were so stiff (never thought to ask anyone, either), but your description of the lever arm cleared it up.
For the tires -- would a staggered setup (wider front, narrower rear) work okay?
I think its a crutch for guys who can't tune suspension. It does work though.
I'm interested to know is these mods will make the suspension stiffer or softer. I'm thinking about starting to mod my EP3, but I'm not looking to make it even more back-breaking than it already is. The stock ride quality is just a tiny bit better than a gokart imo.
The ride is not super stiff in any way as you can see in the video. However, we find the stock EP3 to be pretty soft so perhaps something is wrong with yours or it was previously improperly modded previously to make it back breaking.
I wish I saw this video about two months ago😂 It's taken me that long to find out exactly what I need to sort my car out. Everything you said in this vid, I've already got and is getting fitted next week minus the roll centre adjusters and inverted tie rod ends, they're getting fitted a few weeks after the first lot.
This is going to be the car I learn how to drive on a track with, I can't wait😬 nurburgring before the end of the year hopefully
Thank you. Easily the best video about EP3 Suspension.
Awesome content.... this is goals for anyone wanting to upgrade their suspension for the EP3. Good job 👍👍
I followed everything here except I'm running form and function type 2s. Fr the day I got my car to today man it's like night and day. I wanted to get my suspension set up before I put my K24/k20 build in. I thank you so much!
Loving the long videos! Hope this series extends to the other MotoIq project cars *cough* S-turdteen *cough* Mike's R35 GTR *cough*
thats coming!
Mike Kojima how's the b14 dog car 2 doing? Loved your articles on that.
We just did a whole bunch of R35 Videos on our channel so check them out!
GIB UPDATE ON THE B14 DOG CAR 2!
I think I found a great formula to build up my RSX Type S for autocross! Thanks for the info @MotoIQ
😂how’s she just gonna diss my car like that
I really liked the EP3 Civic Si... until I actually drove one. I enjoyed the driving position and the shifter location / engagement... but that was about it. There was zero feedback from the front tires because of the electric steering. It felt nowhere near as connected or engaging as the Honda products of previous generations. I tried to like it, but I could never love it.
I ended up buying an SVT Focus. It's the best FWD car I've ever driven, and it nearly pains me to say that, as a previous owner of a well sorted DC2 GS-R and a '92 Civic Si. The Focus's chassis and suspension setup is seriously THAT good.
Perhaps I need to import a genuine DC2 Type-R... maybe that will change my mind lol.
You’re the absolute best! I learned so much from you since Sport Compact Car Magazine.
read all the articles on the website and started pricing things out, in love with the build, payed 1200 for my beater build . Thank you for all the hard work
Ma Ca so 1200 for this set up ? Not bad at all
I watched this video three times. I have an EP3, and I want to do everything they have done to their car.
same. I'm just waiting on the buddyclub RCA balljoints, and I'll be close. TEIN SS coilovers for me though.
Me 2! I am in process of installing Megan Racing C.A. Ball Joints, Energy Suspension LCA bushings (front), and Hard Race Tie Rod ends. Still need to do the SHG Slider and rear LCA/Trailer arm bushings. That SHG Slider is expensive to install if you can't do it yourself.
Also, running Buddy Club N+ spec coil overs and progress rear sway bar kit!
I picked up an SHG Slider as well! You'll have to let me know how those tie rod ends are. That's the one part I'm not touching for the sake of cost. But if it makes a huge difference I might do it later in the summer.
If your car is lowered more than an inch - tie rods would be good to correct the weird angle the tie rods get to after lowering. Works together with the center adjusting ball joints. Thats why Kojima called it a bump steer correcting kit (tie rods and ball joints).
I like this generation of the civic but I've always heard about it being notorious for having bad handling but I never knew why. This video helped me understand more as to why it has bad handling and I'll keep this information in mind if I do end up with an EP3 one day!
Do more ep3 stuff
I have two eps and need motivation
The best mod my ep3 tyoe r had was the turbo, with boost by gear that thing was an animal. Regret selling it all the time!. Recently got an fn2 type r, currently prepping that for its own turbo
Have you ever done the engine or anything else with this? I learned more from this video then most in RUclips combined.
Ive always had a soft spot for the ep3 SiR here in canada.
Excellent work on the ep3/dc5 chassis. Why not run a reverse stagger tire? That's the key for racers with this platform.
Love his face while she is trying to turn in terrible traffic. Lol
Definitely some good information for my RSX-S
Nice video - I found the biggest help to dialling out the understeer on my EDM EP3 Type-R was fitting the thicker (22mm) JDM anti-roll/sway bar (and fitted the front one for good measure as well, mainly for JDM header clearance). Installed adjustable rear camber arms, Spoon progressive springs all round (-25mm), and a lower rear brace, and the improvement was very noticeable
I followed Kojima's guide for my EP3, with the hard race roll center tie rods, end links all around, extended ball joints.
I put the 22mm type r sway bar in the rear and kept the front stock.
Along with an ASR rear subframe brace, and s2000 5 spoke wheels all the way around.
One more thing I did was k sport kontrol coilovers and k sport adjustable inner tie rods.
Handling improved VASTLY to say the least. Back end will kick out in a very controlled manner.
So would you guys recommend the JDM Dc5 Type R (22mm) oem rear sway bar over the Whiteline (24mm) rear sway bar?
@@jonathangonzalez8763 I only have experience with the type R 22mm, with the ASR subframe brace (this is 100% necessary for upgrading the rear sway bar). This along with the rest of Kojima’s suggestions is worth it.
@@familialgameaholics7618 Hmm I have an old Comptech subframe brace on my Dc5.. I wonder if that would pair with the Type R rear sway bar? Or even the Whiteline if I was going that route...
@@jonathangonzalez8763 I'm not sure, but it's worth a try.
Mike Kojima throwing you some knowledge! Ever wonder if there was someone out there that might know everything about a specific subject. I truly believe Mike is that guy for cars.
Great informational video!
I think it is awesome that he never stops smiling
haha!
Love these long vids! Really interesting car to do it on too. NSX vid maybe? Ha!
I have owned a nighthawk black EP3 Type-R here in the UK for ten years now, apart from ball joints, clutch replacement and suspension maintanance it's never let me down and it's a lovely car to drive on smooth roads; but god damn is the ride harsh and knocky all round lool.
Me: Do I really want to watch a video on a car I don't much care about? Well it's motoiq
5 minutes in: has fundamental epiphany about suspension tuning. Thanks Mike, great as always.
So, if you want to spend even less money, there are some good lessons here: unless you want to correct the roll center like they did, DO NOT LOWER this car. This is a "budget" build, but even more budget: fill the open rubber bushings with polyurethane from a tube--cheap, easy and effective. Run shorter tires on high offset wheels (205/50/15 for example)--your speedo will be off, but the advantage to gearing is worth is (plus the lower CG without causing geometry problems). Increasing scrub radius is terrible for non-electric steer cars, but not so much for the electric racks. Mike is really smart, but he says an aggressive alignment without all the upgrades would be terrible--not true. You can make your own camber bolts by grinding the OEM bolts slightly to get some static camber up front, and a little toe out helps a ton too. Even doing just that--short wheels/tires, fill the OEM bushings, go aggressive with camber and toe, transforms the car.
Soooo much amazing info and from experience! Please do this kind of video for every car ever made, 👍 Thanks
Awesome in depth explanation of the technical stuff Mike
what helped in my european civic type-r was a 25mm rear sway bar, + caster bushings, + caster top mounts, shorter tie rods for more camber (-4 front and -1,5 rear with 245/40 tires). i didnt do roll center adjusters and inverted rod ends, but the feeling was allready much better this way
Yes, those mods would help.
MotoIQ that shg motorworks plate is what I always complained. They replaced the steering rack twice while in warranty but the problem always persisted. This will be my next mod
Wish I still had my EP3. Great car!
Really enjoyed this!Need more of 15+mins of kojima videos!!
Definitely wouldn't recommend ordering anything from hardrace, I ordered my bump steer correction kit and ball joints 4 months ago, was originally told it would be a 2 month wait. Here I am 118 days later still waiting on essential components to put my car together.
Please do more videos like this. Just subscribed. Thanks.
man i know im late to the party but damn knowledge bombs thank you for making this video
Love this guy and this technical ep!
VERY informative and keep up the good work !!! cant wait for the K24 update .
I was blessed enough to own a LHD ep3 type-r. They are legal in my country and the dealership got them back in the 2000s.i bought a 2004 model and kept it for 12 years. That thing handled like a dream. So my advice to SI ep3 owners try to convert it to type r suspension with jdm brakes and jdm lsd.
Doesn't fix the severe geometry issues the suspension has.
Great to see more of you guys, but next time I hope you think of this while doing the upgrades and give us some clips of doing them and comparison of stock vs new parts and such!
yes, we will get better, this video was sort of an afterthought. We actually had doubts that the car would come out ok without major dollars spent.
Mike Kojima yeah what I guessed too, would enjoy more like this for more of the project cars! Good luck with the RUclips stuff
On the other hand in Europe this was the civic that actually starts to handle. Especially the type r. This show us the difference between the product that each market has
The Euro cars have the same problems with geometry.
The happiest man in the world!!☺😁😊
Ive been thinking about getting one. Im tired of old rusty Integras (on my second). I was worried at the beginning of this video, but im cool now.
Glad we could help!
Awesome, always very interesting to tune a FWD
I appreciate these folks comments. But on the other hand, I did briefly drive an EP3 Si and found it to be pretty nice stock. I mean, like, compared to any uninspired "normie" vehicle like any SUV or pickup truck or something like a Corolla ... a stock EP3 is just amazeballs in about every respect.
And it handles like crap, this car has the worst bumpsteer of any car we have ever driven.
It's so cool to bash the EP3...even though it's know as the Type R everywhere except North America
The perfect color for the EP3.
blackmkiv vivid blue pearl😍 mine was boring Satin Silver Metallic. Nighthawk black Pearl was my second favorite.
Personally I think Silver EP3’s look tacky and cheap, black is marginally but is bit boring, cosmic grey and Milano red are definitely the best, if even go for bright yellow one
Championship white is the best colour for an ep3
I wish I knew this stuff when I still had my EP3 type-r.
Happiest man on earth
WEALTH OF KNOWLEGDE.. Thx for sharing and your TIME
Wish I still lived in simi cause I would love to get some consulting on my cb7 chassis but I guess it's a lot easier then this chassis thanks for the great info Mike great wealth of knowledge here
Cant wait for the next video for the ep3 si
Excellent, informative video. Shame it is not a proper EP3 Type R. The US Si was a downgraded 160 bhp version. I wish you could have had them in the US.
The EP3 Type R, 2003, is my daily drive in the UK. Ultra low mileage example, great fun and bullet proof. Much better than my previous mk 5 Golf GTI, and much better than my mk 8 FN2 Civic.
If I win the lottery, then it will be FK8 all the way - until then, my 15 year old EP3 will be just fine!
Its a civic type-s.
@@robertlund5694 no, the uk type s is a 1.6 d16 SOHC with 110 bhp, the Si is still a k series DOHC with 160 brake
Very cool Mr. Kojima!!! Please keep more videos coming!!!
Considering Honda’s racing pedigree, why did their engineers ever let it happen?
Very informative! This is real suspension geometry understanding!
Thank you! Be sure to look around MotoIQ.com as it sounds like you'll really like our content.
Uncle! Loved this video.
Please considering doing a Project Gen 1 IS300 sometime in the future.
I wish to see that kind of video for E46! Plz MotoIQ!
Wait..hey karla!!! Wow what a surprise to see u
I went from a pontiac g6 gt to an ep3 and the ep3 feels like a dream...if you think the ep3 is bad try a G6...the bump steer is absolutely terrible.
You should do a comparison between stock and with a set of "rigid subframe collars" installed. Spoon do a set.
Awesome overview / explanation - happy to see the unloved EP3 get some MotoIQ treatment. One question: In the article, it says you used 8kg front springs, but in this video you say 7kg. Could you clarify which is correct? Also, which front sway bar setting are you running currently (inner/outer hole)? Thanks!
Its 8KG. We are currently running the front bar in the softer outer hole.
Ya stock suspension sucks. Polyurethane bushings, bullet aluminum silder,and slider riser helps alot
Interesting video Mike. I was wondering if you were familiar enough with the UK Type R EP3 enough to explain what differences there are between the U.S EP3 SI and the Type R we got across the pond?
My type R is stock suspension wise apart from camber adjustment bolts/arms front and rear. It bump steers as you explained in this video, but I also find my Type R can be quite tail happy which is really fun when you play with it on the throttle :)
The suspension calibration is more aggressive but the problems with steering geometry and rack tilt still plague the car.
Great information Mike!
@MotoIQ, Do you think the roll center extended ball joints would be an improvement to the steering geometry at factory ride height?
This civic might be unpopular but I freaking love this car. One of my favorite civics so far
We love the looks and practicality, but it's definitely not the handling machine its predecessors were :(
@@motoiq yes unfortunately lol
Video editor: "Damn it Mike, stop smiling! This Civic sucks and you're not supposed to be so happy about it!"
Mike : 🙂
I subscribed to this channel because of this guy, very knowledgeable. Want him to setup my ae86.
We may be able to make that happen ;) Go to the MotoIQ Garage section of MotoIQ.com
Maybe one day, I don't live that close to you.
Would love to see you go through an EF Civic like this
Any ideas on where to get these inverted tie rods and raised steering rack brackets? They're sold out everywhere and nobody seems to carry anything for EP3 anymore...
I have watched this video like 3 times. hahaha. such a sick set up and obtainable as well.
I ended up buying a ep3 type-r. OK it has a stiffer chassis, but it doesn't compensate against the lower weight of the Eg chassis. And EG front suspension also doesn't require much camber as the ep3. The guy that prepped my car has a k20 eg with a 4.33 final drive, and even with a 200 slick it's way faster than me with a 240 slick
Wow. Most of what Mike was saying made sense up until he started arguing that the high motion ratio of the rear suspension means you need a stiffer spring. That's completely backwards. Glad I kept watching before I recommended this video to someone else who's considering racing their EP3. The rear axle looks really jittery over bumps in the test drive, and I'm not surprised at all.
Being closer to the wheel means the spring has less mechanical disadvantage. Imagine it as a lever. The closer to the wheel the spring is mounted, the longer the lever arm. This means you need less force to create the same amount of torque pushing the wheel into the road.