The Forgotten Lexus - The HS 250h
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- The Lexus HS 250h was by far the worst-selling Lexus of all time. Several key factors led to the early demise of this hybrid-only Lexus.
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I bought mine a little over a year ago for $6500, I now have 218,000 miles on it, and it is still running strong. Great little car for the money. I average about 34 miles to the gallon.
Original battery pack? What is its condition?
I have 221k on mine!!
How is the ev mode?
It was a very elegant small Lexus. The HS was full of technology.
this one is bigger than is cannot believe, so don't call it small
I currently have a 2010 HS 250h and I love it for what it is. It has more cabin space than a CT.
Me too.
Same!
If you still have it how many miles do you have and how is it running? I am considering getting one with around 110k miles and am wondering if it will run to 200k or more
How good how gas?
isn't the ct bigger though?
Looks better than a Prius
Here is my take on this car. I have been driving this amazing car for past 4 years, extremely reliable, 700km in city for 45lters. Honestly not many people know how good this car is, I only bought it because it was Lexus and its amazing ergonomics front panel.
Now I started to feel harder drive in winter than summer, so I am replacing its shocks even though I dont see any oil.
Sometimes people fall for things differently how you market them.
I love this car, its heavy and quality car, not like carola, light weight.
Another big factor in this car, it is the only car which is much higher from ground for a sedan. Comfortable to get in and out. I pay attention to everything
@@JoeHan268 no, Carolla is a crappie car, noisy and bad suspension with not much pick up. This is totally different, made on same platform
@@JoeHan268 wtf no
I have owned 2 HS250h’s. The first lasted for 265,000 mile until it was totaled by a drunk driver while parked. I am driving the second HS250h now. It has over a 170,000 miles and except for regular maintenance I have only had to change the passenger front wheel bearing. With both cars, I have averaged over 36 mpg in winter and over 39 in summer. As an Uber driver, this gas mileage has made a positive effect on my profit margin.
My HS250h is now a 10 year old car and still love it. I maintained it since purchased. Always covered every time parked in my driveway. Never have problem since other than the 2 recalls. I just passed 150k and my engine still fresh. I do parked it side by side with 2019 Rx450h and both are worth keeping preciously.
Lexus should bring back the HS to compete in the entry-level compact sedan segment. It would be a good competitor to the Acura ILX , Audi A3, and Mercedes A Class.
No I think Lexus has enough things that need to be worked on. Literally half of the lineup is aged sadly. I still remember 2012 when the 4 GS came and it made the Germans look old as hell. This impression needs to come back.
@@freshklinki93 bruh, that is the dumbest thing I've read. What do they need to work on lol?
You'd prefer Lexus dump the cars that have done so well in favor of new planned-obsolescence model similar to that of GM or Mercedes?
I hope you realise that EVERY manufacturer keeps the car that works/sells well . Mustang, Camaro, M Series etc. All of Toyota's cars work/sell well right now though, so why change? It's not "aged"...
And have you seen the GS F? RC F? LC500?
@@callang9 see that, triggered Fanboys like you are the main problem of the Lexus brand. You contribute NOTHING to the brand, you give no feedback, you just like everything they do. Lexus DOESN'T sell well at all! Compare them to the sales numbers of the competition! All models you listed don't sell at all either. They're literally overtaken by Volvo and go the same way as Infiniti. In no single aspect - neither driving performance, driving systems, infotainment, engines, fuel efficiency and comfort - they get close to the competition. Wake the F up. Go to any Mercedes dealer, sit inside an E-Class and lets see if you still see Lexus on top. Do the same on a Genesis dealer, Audi dealer or whatever. What do I - a middle class person - have from cars like the amazing LS and LC? Nothing. (considering they don't sell either). The cars that are actually affordable have no chance in the competition. Lexus' high rise was 8-25 years ago. They're dead.
@@freshklinki93 yeah, I'm not reading all of that lol, it's evident you don't know what you're talking about haha
Lexus literally sold double Volvo last year, and look at Volvo resale prices and cost to own vs Lexus.
Lexus is on a sale decline, but their peak sales was 2015, which was when most manufacturers peaked... every manufacturer has been on the decline since then, even big movers like Mazda.
Lexus was still the 4th highest selling Luxury Brand in 2020, and has been the 2nd highest selling secondary brand (eg Acura, Cadillac, GMC, Lincoln, etc) for years, behind Audi.
And if you're bagging on Lexus' quality compared to other brands, you're really dumb.
I detail cars for a living in a big suburb. I'm inside Audis, Bimmers, Lexus, Mercedes etc all day, and I drive them too. None of their interiors compare to Lexus' except for the true AMGs.
And when lexus decides to release a forced induction V8, I'm sure no BMW/Mercedes will keep up, just like when the released the 2GR-FSE.
Go look at the LC500 and talk about class.
@@callang9 1. While Lexus sells about 750.000 cars in 2020, which yes is more than Volvo with about 600.000, Volvo grows much faster.
2. Stop using resale value as an argument when it's not. It's dependent on the market and nobody wants a Lexus here in Europe. Hence resale value is not got at all.
3. I am not talking about the reliability and the quality of the high end models at all. It's the affordable cars that have disappointing interiors. The ES is the best example, worst interior in its class. Cheap scratchy plastics all over the place.
4. If you call a forced induction V8 the future of Lexus, you show the perfect example of another big Lexus problem, maybe the biggest. V8 engines, petrol engines in general, are outdated. And they have no electric car or plug in to offer except for the UX 300e, which isn't even CCS capable. Laughable.
5. AMG interiors are essentially the same interiors as from normal models, hence all models apart from some SUVs from the United States have that good quality
I have a 2010. Best car I have owned. No issues and still looks brand new. Inside and out. Not one issue with the vehicle. I get 35mph all the time. Took it all over the United States. Don't know why talking this vehicle down. It is built great and was worth every penny. If you need a highway vehicle to get you to work on the cheap and is reliable, this is it. Love it.
Bought a 2010 model back in 2014 with premium package. Navigation, adaptive headlights, 18’s, auto high beams etc. Lots of features and luxuries that even 10 years later, don’t seem as dated. Quality wise, it’s typical Toyota. Other than a few recalls, this car has been problem-free. Also the interior quality is top notch, the leather on the seats have aged well, with just a few creases but no tears. Every single button, bell, and whistle still work flawlessly. Only thing I’ve changed in these six years in the tires and battery. Oil is changed once a year. Only thing that’s been gradually degrading is its gas mileage. In 2014, I was getting a manually calculated mixed city/highway of about 34mpg’s. Nowadays I’m lucky if I get 30. As the hybrid battery pack ages, the engine cycles on and off more often. I think it’s a great car to buy used for the right price.
I've been driving one for 2 months now and i Love it. Its 14 years old now with 110,000 miles and still averages 33 to 35 mpg. The most ergonomic, comfortable, and useful car I've ever owned.
Just picked up 2010 HS with 91k miles ...loving it so far. Especially with California gas prices.
I own a 2010, I bought it in 2018, it has been extremely reliable and the only thing I had to replace was the 12v battery which was if kinda expensive. But other than that it's a amazing car and has all the bells and whistles you can't get into a Prius, such as radar cruise, memory seats, power rear sunshade, automatic high beams, heated and cooled seats, rain sensor wipers, and the best feature is the 15 speaker Mark Levinson stereo which I have. I had my transmission replaced in 2018 due to a recall. Some vehicles have experienced oil consumption problems in higher mileage, I have 160,000 miles so I haven't experienced anything like that due to faulty piston rings that was a flaw when Toyota developed these engines, it also share the same drivetrain as the 2007-11 Toyota Camry Hybrid so it can be serviced at a Toyota dealership. Another plus than taking it too a expensive Lexus dealer. All I can say you can't even come close to comparing too a Prius. The gas is quite good too, I average 36-42 mpg in the summer and 32-36 in the winter so alot better than the estimates that were given of 35 city 34 hwy on the sticker when new.
Bought my HS 5 years ago used w 22k miles. Now, w 163k I still love it! Minimal maintenance issues. Best car! Wish they’d start making them again!
Cool that you covered it! I’ve owned mine for about a year & really like it as a daily driver. It’s my 1st Lexus & 1st hybrid! I actually really wanted a CT200h, but then found out I could get AC seats in an HS & was SOLD! Haha
I currently own a relatively high mileage RX400h right now that I’m planning to eventually pass onto the next owner.
The HS250h honestly catches my eye every time I see it, intriguing little car. This is the reason why I’m going to probably jump on one when the time comes.
I have a 2010 and got the car with 90,000 on it and it now has 150,000 very lil has gone wrong with this car. I love this car!!! I will fix anything on this car and keep driving it! I can set my cruise on 70 MPH and average out 42 MPG. In town I do get 35.
In 2013, my wife and I were looking for a small sedan to replace our aging and very unreliable Volvo 850 GLE. We found a 2010 HS250h with 34,000 miles. The original owners had kept it serviced by the dealership sold us the vehicle for $24,000 USD. The vehicle was well equipped with Navigation, Heads Up Display, optional 18 inch tyres and wheels, front camera, heated and cooled seats, auto dimming side and rear view mirrors, memory seats and side mirrors, homelink and other optional upgrades. The vehicle was in immaculate condition and only required tyres due to tread wear. As of February 2023, out car now has 104,200 miles of mixed city and highway driving. In town, the vehicle gets around 33-36 MPG. On the highway it routinely get 38 MPG. Tyre selection has a big impact on this vehicle's fuel consumption. Low rolling resistance energy tyres must be used in order to get the EPA Sticker fuel economy. As for repairs, I have replaced the headlight bulbs, recently the trunk latch and lift struts failed. I also installed a new 12 volt battery that replaced the factory original. Body internal parts as well as exterior panels/trim/components are getting very rare for the HS250h. Most of the vehicle's unique components are very scarce due to the lack of spare parts which were primarily manufactured in Japan. Aftermarket parts are non-existent. The more common Camry parts used on the HS250h are still very plentiful and can be sourced at any Toyota Dealer. the Toyota Dealer tested our Hybrid Battery and reports it was still at 92% of its original capacity. Despite widespread reports from other HS250h owners of oil consumption issues with their 2AZ-FXE Engines, our vehicle still does not use any oil.
HS owner right here! I fucking love the car. I got a CT as a loaner and what a pos that was. I can't believe the CT was the replacement for the HS. What a downgrade! Was so glad to get my HS back.
Thanks for sharing 👍 and watching 😊
@@KirkKreifels I'm just happy that somebody finally made a video about this unsung hero of a car. I love everything about my HS. It truly was ahead of it's time. It has aged very well too and still looks very modern. I love how rare and unique it is. Hardly anybody knows of it's existence since they were only a 2-3 year model. I was just saddened that it's replacement, the CT, was such a POS in comparison. The HS rides smooth and silky. Tons of space, and the interior is plush. The CT is complete trash in comparison. Rough, noisy, small, cheap as hell. Lexus should be ashamed to bring out such a POS in replacement of the HS. My HS is definitely the best car I have ever owned next to my SW20 MR2. Your basic wear item replacements, fluids, and that's it! The only drawback is the lack of folding rear seats due to the battery location. But other than that, my HS has been a beast when it comes to daily driving. I couldn't purchased a better daily. Mines in Ruby Mica Red too so it's pretty hot. Tech package too... No point in getting a luxury car without it. Cheers.
Awesome! I'd love to review the HS one day 😎
Still have it since 2010 and I am still in love with it 😍
I have one and it has 258000 miles and the quality is unbelievable good still drives strong and the interior looks new I really like it and mine the top has all the features
I purchased a used 2010 in 2012 from Carmax. It has 22K on the clock and it is still running great and now has 155K. This car is the greatest car I have had in nearly 50 years of car ownership. It has reliably provided 30-33MPG in combined driving which is far better than any American made car I have had. They only car I had that did better on fuel economy was a 2009 VWJetta TDI, but then we all know how VW achieved that. The down side of the VW was that the turbo died after 140K and the cost to replace was nearly 8K at the VW dealership. I leased a 2021 UX250h last year and gave the 2010 to my daughter. I can honestly say that the UX is far less the car that the HS still is even though it gets about 10 more miles from a gallon of gas. I can't even put a large suitcase in the cargo area without turning it sideways making the cargo space only good for 2 suitcases when I could het 2 big ones and 2 small ones in the trunk of the HS. UX may look sporty but looks are only skin deep!
I like my 2010 HS250H
I bought my Lexus HS250h in June of 2010. I am not up to 280,000 miles and still on the original battery. Interesting that the CT caused the demise of the HS. I didn't like to CT because I couldn't fit into the car. I guess if the average person was taller, the CT would have met the fate of the HS250h, because the HS250h is certainly roomier. I intend to keep this car for as long as possible as it is still highly rated for used hybrid sedans in consumer reports.
The thing looked like an over dressed corolla
chillnndc the exterior wasn’t very traditional Lexus but the interior was really nice I’ve been in one several times and it was a really nice interior, A lot of its interior components were shared with the RX at the time.
Truuu
A boogee Prius lol
And ur point is corolla is the best selling car ever made 45million still counting..so if the lexus looks like it..its a good ting..go buy ur german rubbish dat dnt last r sell bck for a dollor..
I happen to have a 2010 HS250h and a 2011 Corolla. They look, feel, and drive nothing alike.
I just bought a used Lexus 2010 hs50 6 months ago and I love this car.! I bought it for $11k with 40k miles on it and she runs like a dream 💕
You never see these cars anymore. Sad, because they were really good looking little sedans. I like it better than the CT. If they had offered it with a gas only variant, it would have been a great luxury compact.
We still have our 2011 hs250h. Still going strong and very reliable. Great car.
Driving my JDM right-hand 2012 HS250h with 105.000km mileage in 3R1 (Red Matador) color. Have done completely new look of it installing restyle front bumper, restyle tail lights and stock restyle 18" rims. Together with ceramic coating this appearence is attracting sights of many people (more to that - there's Tanabe NF210 low-down springs set installed which makes the car look a little bit more attractive).
Fuel consumption is 7.5-8 liters per 100km in summer (if you're not driving it ful throttle). Have installed many Lexus original options together with TOM'S tuning and styling stuff on this car.
My annual mileage is about 5000-6000km, so you can make conclusions regarding it's condition. Nice car. Love it.
BTW yes, there's JDM Toyota Sai which is HS250h's twin brother in terms of engine, drivetrain, suspension and doors. Some people say that restyle Toyota Sai has great appearance and outside lighting, I agree, but materials inside are crap together with the absence of noise-reduction.
May I have a photo of that bro , I need some idea how could I change the appearance more stylish
Slow? I think my 2010 HS250H is pretty quick... and when I take it in for an oil change at Take5, the mechanics are shocked that it is a 2010. It is very elegantly designed, and right-sized.
My sister has a 2012 HS and a 2012 RX 450h. Perfect pair!
I actually liked the HS granted i never drove it but yea i bought a Prius instead. LOL
I love my hs250h. have had for 2 years and would love another lexus hybrid
Looks like a a mini camary
that is what I thought
this isnt the only lexus that lasted just 3 years. technically, the lexus es330 was also just 3 years. (04-06)
i remember seeing HS models in the loaner line at my local dealer. they always intrigued me but i never got the chance to try one out
We have this vehicle ❤ loving it! Nice and quiet 😁
When it first came out, I thought it was one of the best looking Lexus. I bought a 3rd gen Prius instead of HS. Until now, I still like the looks of it.
I know right? I love my HS. Still looks very modern. It has aged very well.
I have a hs250 i love it fully loaded had it almost 5 years stills runs excellent
I remember my local Lexus service department using their unsold HS inventory as service loaners. It was the only time I got to experience it and it was not an overwhelming experience at the time (I was coming from a gs400).
I know a man in the US that owns one of these cars and I also know a woman in japan who used to be in JAV who also owns one :).
I am about to buy one, 175k 5800$ new tranny new hybrid battery etc. I like the look tbh but have to see how it drives. Thx for the video very helpful
Im actually surprised the HS got the Mark Levinson lol Lexus really tried to sell it
It’s a really rare option
Great video Kirk, shame we never got that in the UK :)
I've had a Lexus ES 300, RX 300, HS 250hp, and an RX 450h...all bought new. Great cars for their purposes. Wouldn't the HS 250h comeback as a crossover be a great idea? I would love to have one with the 2.5-liter dynamic force injection/hybrid powertrain like the Venza.
0:10 I turned up the volume just to hear that LFA exhaust clip.
This means I just bought a rare Lexus 😂
Hope it is declared as a vintage so I can sell it for vintage price
Sayyar Awais lol don’t hold your breath. The car is worth maybe 10 grand now, and it’s only gonna keep going downhill.
@@twowheels808 haha
Thinking I might buy one is it a good idea?
I had a premium version and I drove it for 40,000 miles. My average consumption was 33 mpg at Washington DC Metropolitan area. I used a spreadsheet to follow consumption. Lexus HS250h had an old design when it was launched. The joy stick interface is typically for millenials but its exterior design is a sedan for mature drivers.. It might be the reason of its marketing failure in the American market. Driver sit was a problem too. It was not comfortable despite all the electric adjustments available.
Cool content mate. Never knew about the ill-fated HS. Been very curious about it ever since I spotted one in Tbilisi, Georgia.
I am going to buy this car in 2021 was looking for reviews. I am from Tbilisi and it is funny to find someone commenting and mention Georgia here
@@paatabu7156 haha, well i was there on a tour. Loved the place. 😍 Will visit again soon. Good luck with your buy.
@@paatabu7156 have you bought it already? I am going too
The new Toyota crown is like a reincarnation of this car
thanks lots of info but not summerized good, think of if you want to buy it what you want to know?
Buying a 2010 with 161k miles for $6200 hope it lasts
Just bought a 2010 a few days ago. Only 101k miles. I think I got a steal of a deal. Looks and runs great I love it
The car I should’ve bought instead of a 2018 Camry with engine issues 😭
I get 30mpg in this work commuter... saving grace, good audio!
Saw both of those in jamaica..the 200h past me every morning wen am walking my pit r rott..that car u dnt even hear it wen its coming..
FYI. There is a rebadge version in Japan called Toyota Sai (or Camry Sai) for Japan. Basically, a more quirky exterior looks. Nevertheless, thanks for the contents!
The Toyota Sai was also sold in the USA for a short while. Mechanically they are the same car.
I have one had it almost 4 years runs excellent
I only knew of the JDM Toyota Sai, never knew they exported them to the west as a Lexus. Makes it even more baffling that nobody talks about this thing.
I owned one and it was ahead of its time regarding features/tech. Especially the 1st gen remote controller on the console. It was very elegant and best version ever fielded. I have also owned every generation of RX300/350 and own two presently, a 2010 with same controller as HS250 and 2016 RX with later gen controller. 2010 version was best. Better than track pad version that is in ascendancy now. Auto writers unanimously hate Lexus remote controllers, Lexus should go back to 2010 tech controller. I may never sale my 2010 RX, but I love heads up display and 360 camera system on 2016 RX. When I can get both features on an NX hybrid FSport I may make a move. Enjoy your videos!
wtf, why wasn't that sold in Germany? or other European countries
and they cut it off production in the US
i think the problem was the demand of the home market in Japan and thats causing no sales in the US
but this car would have been perfect for European conditions
HS continued in Japan? was that not Toyota Sai that was made for domestic market in Japan instead.
Prius Lexus. Have driven a few. Great looking car. If u get a well maintained one probably huge longevity ahead.
I own one and I love it!
Wrong… my Canadian HS now has almost 400,000 km.
Cool to know that it was made out of recycled materials
It’s based on the European Toyota Avensis, I have a 2010 2.2 D Cat Avensis (diesel) , great car
Always thought it was a strange Prius looking car. It and the ES at the time weren't Lexus Sexy in the least!
The Avensis would have made a nice Scion
Great content, thank you!
Thanks for your content just found your channel, I’m a big lexus/toyota fan.
Had one it was a hated the little bump at highway speeds when the hybrid system engaged...traded it for a Volt hated that one too LOL. Though you could save a gaggle of money with the Volt it was all the GM-isms that drove me nuts.
Thanks for sharing!
2021 and still getting 43mpg easy on this 2010 HS, neat about the 85% plant based interior, phthalates in new cars a major source of toxins for reproductive health
Love your videos, Kirk!
Question: Where can I purchase a die cast GS 350 F Sport for a display at home? Been looking, but no success.
lexusenthusiast.com/2017/11/27/lexus-gs-f-now-available-as-diecast-model-in-japan/
Hi Krik,
Would you consider the 2010 version reliable? I'm guessing since it's mostly or maybe entirely a Camry, it's easy to source parts. But I have an opportunity to getting into one for about 14k and it has 75k miles on it. Not too concerned about the 33-35 MPG figure I've read and you talked about, but I'm sure it's doing 28 MPG without issues.
Any other known issues that could deter a purchase other than the recalls that Lexus would still fix that you mentioned? The biggest thing I've read is something that you mentioned, is that the HS 250h doesn't feel much like a Lexus.
Thank you!
06:12 have a 2004 Avensis, but even the generation after wouldn't come close to the lexus quality, the HS would be a better car then the Avensis, my Avensis is very noisy, but with the executive trim its makes a bit up with the nice interior, but the Avensis is no replacement for a Lexus HS, i think it would also have tough competition with European car manufacturers
there are not many Lexus found in Germany, i would consider it as a rare car here, i am interested in buying a hybrid model like the RX450h but they are used still expensive to buy 17k€ - 25k€ for the 2010 - 2014 models in good condition
Didn't know about it and always wondered why the didn't have a small sedan to compete with the Audi A3...
I have a question to you, was the Lexus CT (hatchback) sold in the US? Or it was just for the European market, if you know about this car, do you think it will be replaced/renowed? Or was the UX crossover its replacement? thnaks for your channel is awsome! Cheers!
It was offered from 2011-2017 here in USA. don't think they will remake it. UX has filled that role
@@KirkKreifels I just found this... hopefully for the European Market :)
www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/lexus-plots-new-entry-level-compact-2021
I did not know about the CT. Didn't know about it until this video. Not interested in knowing much more about it, either. The HS could've been better than the CT. Not interested in either, actually.
There were alot of reports from owners that the car lunges forward even when foot is on brake pedal at complete stop even in Park. Also brake booster failure looses brake pressure making the brakes fail.
Benny Ang brake booster was one of the first recalls. No problems with mine.
I have noticed the lunging forward when I start the car up
I own one just brought it in March love it ! Great car
Congratulations!
Kirk Kreifels 2011 black just washed her rub out next week
Thank you for the history on my vehicle it’s my first Lexus
A lot of people hated it for some reason
Toyota should have did a CS250 4cyl 1.8 Corolla engine gasoline powered version.
I have one and I love it 🤣my kids hate it but I love it
Are these comfortable like other Lexus cars? Or more less?
Has the battery went out on anybody yet? I have 1 now with like 125k miles on it. But getting ready to sell it cause dont want to have to pay for 1 later.
I have a friend that has one and he has almost 500,000 miles on his with the same hybrid battery The nickel metal hydrate battery was built to last and they still make it in newer cars today! And mine has 135,000 and still going strong with plenty of power!
Do a CT video
I have a CT video if you want to see it? it is on our 2019 CT :)
ruclips.net/video/C9RgRkwqUO0/видео.html
Very informative, thank you. I'd been looking at some of these for sale online and your last remarks about the "grind" to achieve EPA quoted mileage was enough for me. I'll look at the CTs. Best regards.
@kirk Surprised the CT200H outsold the HS. This is coming from a former 7-year owner of a CT F Sport.
Wow you must love your CT!! My dad bought a 2019 CT last year (Video on my channel if you wish to see it)
CarsofGlasgow definitely loved our CT.
@@flatsixrules awesome
Would you buy one for $5Gs that is over 200K miles? The last 10 seconds was the most important part that is a make or break for me.
I’m doing the hybrid battery on one right now for a customer 😂😂😂
HS , a 2 liter engine ?? never exported in Europe ...
It's basically avensis for us but with hybrid option
Love the LFa, my brother worked on steering and transmission code for it.
Any news about Next Gen Lexus CT
Don't think there will be one sadly
It’s called the UX
@@KirkKreifels that is sad! would be cheap to do as they could work the corolla hybrid
I have one and I love this car it keeps me happy.
I own one of those cars, a 2010 in Ecuador, only 34k milles :D
I own a 2010 too!
such a cool looking car, sad we never got this in the UK :(
Ha ha, I think I've imported the first one this year!
@@douglasheld wow! where do you stay? id love to review one
@@RevLexus Thank you @RevLexus. I've sent you a FB message.
Hello Anybody drive this car, have you noticed any big changes after replacing with new shocks back and front,?
Its a toyota lexus still great..
I have a 2010. Fairly decent car.