Installing Windows XP on an Apple TV but Everything Goes Wrong...
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This is an extremely pointless thing to do. So I had to do it. Today we're going to try and install Windows XP on an Apple TV 1st generation!
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction & Explanation
02:31 - Trying the Boot Camp Betas
05:41 - Troubleshooting
07:25 - Making it Worse
08:18 - Trying to Boot off of the Install DVD
10:26 - Linode
11:26 - Trying Another OS X Image
12:36 - The Realization That I’ve Been Wasting My Time
13:20 - Explaining Why I've Been Wasting My Time
14:09 - The Plan
19:07 - Setting Up the XOM CD
23:08 - Trying rEFIt
31:37 - Windows XP EFI Patch
35:08 - "I don't know where we're at in this video."
35:36 - Recap (I didn't mention rEFIt, but that was a thing I tried as well)
37:49 - The Plan 2: Electric Boogaloo
39:29 - Connecting a DVD Drive to the Apple TV via IDE
47:02 - Outro
Corrections:
37:04 - The Apple TV first gen IS capable of booting from USB devices, but it requires the drive to contain a mock version of mach_kernel to trick the Apple TV into thinking that its booting into the modified version of OS X that it ships with. This is how people run OSMC and other Linux-based distros. I actually made such a video on OSMC years ago, but it slipped my mind during the filming of this video.
Relevant Links:
OS X on Apple TV Video: • Installing Mac OS X Le...
Boot Camp Betas: archive.org/details/boot-camp...
rEFIt: refit.sourceforge.net/
XOM: web.archive.org/web/200705182...
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“Everything went wrong” is by far my favorite series on this channel
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Maybe Michael should rename his channel "Everything Went Wrong" 🤔 🤔 🤔
@sleepygraham5482 The whole channel went wrong your saying?
The reason it didn't work is because the Apple TV only boots from its own EFI file that is used for its own OS. In order to boot Linux you need to make a fake mach_kernel (OS X) file that contains a Linux kernel. A mach_kernel that contains the XP kernel/loader doesn't exist yet.
Time to learn xp's boot kernel and the mach_kernel syntax and code to make one that will have it work
so there's a chance a ReactOS modified kernel might boot.....
this
This project might actually be a lot more possible these days, because the XP source code leaked a while ago. The bootloader and everything is also included there.
I would suspect that the easiest way for this is probably through making grub-efi or something similar into a mach_kernel and then letting that load the ntldr directly...
@@Manawyrm The source code leak wouldn't help because Microsoft would just do a C&D against anything using their source code directly
_"It's always a MJD video when something goes wrong."_
-sun tzube, art of internet
i can imagine this isnt very fun for you when it happens but these are my favourite type of videos from you, watching you troubleshoot problems probably no one else has ever had in todays age its just very entertaining
troubleshooting problems like that (obscure problems that yourself caused by trying to do something out of the norm) is absolutely the worst thing I know of when dealing with computers... but at the same time at the end of the troubleshooting you 99/100 times come out with lots more knowledge then you did at the start of the troubleshooting.
I absolutely hate when computers don't do exactly what I expect them to do, I never regret learning something new, I might not solve my problem, but more often then not, I do learn something extremely practical.
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i can imagine this isnt very fun for you when it happens but these are my favourite type of videos from you, watching you troubleshoot problems probably no one else has ever had in todays age its just entertaining
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I have to say, your persistance is admirable. Even though you didn't succeed in your quest to install windows on the apple tv, your video is for sure a success. I rarely sit through a video on youtube longer than 15 minutes, but this had me glued to the very end and I enjoyed every minute of it. If there will ever be a continuation to this project I would run to the nearest store and buy snacks and drinks before watching.
Good idea, I’ll get my friend to give us both discounts on them
Spoilers much!
USB booting should be possible. I remember the 8 Bit Guy did a Video years ago about an alternative firmware for this Apple TV from a flash drive.
i saw that too
I am a newcomer to your channel and absolutely enjoyed your installing Windows operating systems on the old $5 Windows 98 PC.
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Oh yeah! What happened to the 98 pc? I don’t See it anymore
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I have to tell you I was in hysterics watching everything go wrong. Seeing you try to use 40/44 pin switches for the reverse of what they were intended was a stroke of genius if it had worked. This really was the best 45 minutes of my day. Thanks Michael!
This video is giving me Druaga1 vibes, the consistent attempts to problem solve along with failures, buying an egregious amounts of adapters to jerry rig a device in an unorthodoxed manner. This felt awesome to see for almost 50 mins.
God I miss the one true smoker
im so glad i wasnt the only one who thought this
I love that his desktop background at 14:55 is “Bliss”, but how it looks now, when he went to see it
I used to have a Latitude D600. Only real difference was the 600 didn't have BT, the 610 did, and maybe the 610 had a Celeron D and the 600 had a Pentium 4 ? Can't remember. But I got the D600 for my 10th birthday, and being a 10 year old kid getting a full fledged Windows XP laptop, was the coolest feeling in the world. That laptop got me started into the world of RUclips and lasted me a good 2 years. Miss it. Like seeing your 610 every now and then, my grandma had a 610 lol. I just can't escape that laptop
Wow
I had a D600, it used a 1st gen pentium M 1.5GHz cpu (or another pentium/Celeron M counterpart), the D610 used second gen Pentium/celeron M cpus with a faster FSB.
@@joeynebulous816 ah yeah that’s what it was. Such good memories with that laptop. Was a really solid little computer within its realm, the second you started to push it past it limits it showed you it can’t do that but I mean it did everything I wanted it to do until I accidentally killed it with viruses being a kid. (LimeWire 🤣)
I had an Acer Aspire 3690 with a Celeron M 420 in 2020-2021. Now in 2022 changed to an Asus X551CA with 3217U and integrated graphics.
But it's not mine of course, it's a family one. I still don't have mine. I'm just used to calling it that.
I'm 18 years old now. The first computer I used was a laptop, and that was in 2012. I was eight years old at the time.
Ah. Its a good day when mjd uploads.
Edit: Wtf 20 likes POG
A 50-minute "Everything Goes Wrong" video, no less. These are always the true gems of this channel.
In XP, when you go to set folder options, you can also set the default action for folders/file folders to "explore" instead of "open" and that gives you the left hand nav pane more consistently in explorer. In case that's relevant.
Speaking at a PCB level, unless there are bespoke integrated circuits on/in those IDE adapters, they *will* work regardless of the direction. The second adapter that was shown is truly a passive device, i.e, a bunch of tiny wires packed into a "sandwich" of laminate/synthetic materials. The resistors on it I believe are purely for the red and green LEDs. There is something that could be done with that second adapter: desolder the bad female 44 pin connector and solder the double male 44 pin connector in place of that original one as it came.
I love this installing but everything goes wrong series. they're all very entertaining and informative at the same time.
keep up the good work MJD i cant wait to see more of your videos as i enjoy watching them, and watching what you do because i learn a lot from your videos. And its always cool to see whats going to happen in each episode especially this one tbh i have never seen so many adapters at once just to complete one task. Cant wait to see your next video thanks for the great videos i like to watch them before i fall asleep :)
I always enjoy your Windows XP videos! I have a ton of nostalgia for that OS.
I remember some of XP
Awesome content as always brother!
So much work goes into these videos❤ Thank you!
I love the way you did the recap, i skipped the video and i knew everything that happened because of the recap. Instantly subscribed!
What you could have done to repair the original Mac OS installation was plug in the hard drive to another pc and change the Mac OS version back on that ext file to see if that would fix the problem. After this, you could have booted up Mac OS and entered system settings. When there you would go to restart settings (something like that) where you can choose which drive to boot from at the next boot. Great video man!
The best such experiment I've done is when I installed Windows 2000 Pro SP4 on my Dad's old busted HP laptop which came with Windows Vista. Just when I start to think that's pretty impressive, I see this video... Well done, keep these going!
I love how Eddy reliable trustman is always in your videos!
The boot MGR, recovery, target disk mode, And diagnostics are likely stored in the BIOS as you can erase the hard drive and still have access to these on a normal MacBook. This also means that they will not be accessible on an Apple TV, meeting it will just boot off of the hard drive every single time. Hope this was useful!
Even though sometimes your experiments do not work, I love to watch people in a problem solving state of mind.
Great video as always, the amount of time you invest into making these is impressive, keep it up because despite being long it's still fun to watch
I love these videos because no matter how much goes wrong, we still learn something. Thank you so much! ❤😊
Seeing XP running is making me nostalgic for it again. It is the one operating system that I legitimately miss.
oh no its the infamous "Everything Goes Wrong"
My assumption here is that that the AppleTV firmware is looking for a specific EFI application, it’s clearly a very cut down EFI from what’s on a typical Intel Mac.
Just a guess, but I think for any chance you’d either need to write an NVRAM/EFI setting from a booted copy of OS X, or have an XP/rEFInd modified loader like what’s used in the Leopard image.
Your assumption is correct. In order to boot XP you would need to load a fake “mach_kernel” binary that pretended to be a macOS (the Apple TV OS is essentially macos) kernel but was actually windows. This has been done with linux but never with windows since linux and macos share far more in common than linux and windows.
@@DistrosProjects and since Windows and its kernel is closed source so we might not know much abt it to work with it ig
hi mjd, consider taking alook into the hackintosh scene. loads of useful tools for booting there. in general macs only can read the efi files from a fat32 partition. thats where the EFI folder has to sit.
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Yeah I believe the EFI boot partition *must* always be formatted in FAT32. Its the case on every EFI system: Windows 11 on x86-64 and ARM64, macOS, Linux, even Windows XP 64-Bit Edition on Itanium hardware.
Yeah, but a hackintosh booting XP/7/10 through Clover or OpenCore isn't all that interesting. It's basically a regular PC booting regular Windows, just in a roundabout way. It's just about doing something oddball for fun.
@@KiraSlith jep, but for the initial boot process and for loading the necessary efi files clover IST great. If clover runs mjds problem could be solved
Awesome video, Michael!
Interesting video. I think it is the firmware too. You are trying to make the Apple TV into a general purpose computer when it was not designed to be that. I think you would have to write new firmware for it. Also, when you already have a MacOS command prompt open, just use the "passwd" command to change your user password. Much faster than going back to the GUI control panel.
I think it would make more sense to mount an image of Microsoft Virtual PC (Version 7) and use that, which installs a Windows XP virtual machine in OSX. It's aimed at PowerPC Macs, but might work with Rosetta (I'm not familiar with Macs, so that idea might not work)
That would be emulating an x86 OS using PowerPC software, which is itself running in emulation on an x86 machine. The two layers of code translation would make the performance terrible.
He might be able to run an x86 virtualisation program natively on the Apple TV, however. (e.g. VMware Fusion, VirtualBox)
No, Virtual PC doesn't work on Intel Macs. An old version of VMWare Fusion or Parallels might work though.
Even when things go wrong, it's still fun to watch!
You could try a push pin to allow the ide adapter to fit onto the ide header then make sure the hdd and DVD drives are set properly master slave cable select. Also set both the hdd and dvd on the same cable instead of trying the usb route since the usb seems disabled on boot which would make sense being an apple device.
At least the “Does it run Windows XP?” Question didn’t even know if it works on Apple TV even needed to work via VM.
I love these.
Im curious tho:
Have you thought about trying a third party virtual machine? Something that starts the Mac OS, but only has the boot up info, then launches a virtual PC and loads windows
I love your videos i hope one day you get to 1 million subscribers keep up the good work man i really love your content 😁❤
Watching your "everything goes wrong" videos while trying (and failing) to fix my own broken setup is...somehow helping me feel better
My god, hearing about rEFIt just brough back so many memories of college and trying to get my 17" MBP to boot windows, linux and OSX. I have no idea why I decided to do that but I did.
I got Windows 7 running on my early-2006 iMac with rEFIt once, it had a bad disk drive and wouldn't except USB drives
I have indeed used a 44pin IDE to 40pin IDE adapter in reverse (very similar to the first one). I don't remember what it was for but it did work. it's just a passive adapter the hardest part is maintaining pin compatibility as the keying the missing pin is either there or not they're. And there's usually no marking as to what pin 1 is.
I'm assuming they borrowed from laptop design and the IDE channel could support two drives?
I love the Frankensteining of the connectors, reminds me of so many repair efforts I've done.
This is a really good video. You just got a new subscriber!
As I recall Windows 7 did have UEFI support. But they only did that with the 64-bit build. It's not a thing for the 32 bit version of the OS and wasn't available as x86 until Windows 8.
Great content Micheal!!! Been watching for years!!!
I was wondering, do you think this thing could boot Mac OS Sorbet Leopard? That would be cool if it could!!!
The Computer Clan would be proud of you, with your conversion technology! 😁
Great persistence Mike!
You know, maybe this video wasn't a banger because the project couldn't even get off the ground, but that's all the more reason to like and comment imo. You put so much effort into this and made it a fun ride regardless, so the least I can do is give some engagement.
1: the Apple TV can boot USB (that is its first boot priority if it can detect a bootable EFI/UEFI drive, this can be seen with some Apple TV Linux videos like the 8-bit guy.
2. Would it be possible to install Windows 7 (with a UEFI USB (those are different from regular Rufus USB with UEFI!!)) or windows 8 with its stock USB EFI drive *without* using BootCamp? My Mac runs windows server 2019 without bootcamp assistant, only the drivers.
Unfortunately Windows 7 doesn't support 32 bit EFI booting
Ah yeah I did forget about that. It is definitely able to boot to those Linux distros if you put them on a USB drive. What's interesting is I wasn't able to get it to boot from the internal drive when it was plugged in via USB. Not sure about using Windows 8 though.
@@MichaelMJD The way that Linux works is that the TV thinks it's booting into the Apple TV OS (since it boots using the stock boot.efi file, which is the only one that the TV's firmware can boot from) but uses a fake Mac OS X (Apple TV OS, but there's no practical difference) kernel ("mach_kernel") that contains a standard Linux kernel. In order to boot Windows XP, you'd need to wrap an XP kernel (or something to load one) into a mach_kernel file, which would require a significant amount of programming knowledge.
@@DistrosProjects That makes sense, thanks for the info!
This is the most "why?"video I've seen of yours and I'm loving it keep it up
Great video! I like Apple and Windows related stuff so this is interesting to me.
I know, youtube just recommended this video to you now
Nope, I was on his channel
So, theory.
When you created the EFI folder in the C:\ folder, was that an NTFS filesystem or a FAT32 filesystem?
I wonder if you could make a GPT-formatted drive, partition 0 being a FAT32-formatted partition labelled for EFI boot, partition 1 being NTFS, and putting the EFI files in the partition 0.
It's so much fun watching someone screwing around this to breach all the barriers :D
THiS !!! Now you gave me (even more) ideas for my channel ! Thank you so much ! :D
Is it possible you could edit the .efi file to report itself as an OS10 boot image even though it's actually an XP EFI or rEFIt? I dunno, seems worth checking it out in a hex editor.
If you edit the EFI file the TV won’t boot at all, since the TV verifies the file at boot using hashes. The only way that XP could boot is if an XP loader was hacked into a Mach kernel file.
Fun channel you've got here, SUBBED!
Thank you!
So close yet so far! Would of love of to seen this work!
Why not do.. rEFInd instead of rEFIt? it's a fork of rEFIt, and much more modern and compatible. I'm hoping you'll revisit and try rEFInd, i mean it works on the latest Intel Macs and standard UEFI PCs.
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Apple TV at home:
Dude! I am loving this I used to do shit like this all the time! It was fun! Of course as I have grown old my eyesight is not very good anymore and I just don't have the energy I used to and my income has improved so needless to say my hobbies have skewed to align with who I am now. Thank you for posting this I am going to subscribe. At my peak with aid from a controlled substance I will not specify. I remember soldering a PC IDE cable to a laptop hdd (needless to say my eyesight was far better) It worked perfectly. I modified old server cases to fit new Mainboards... to many insane projects to name. thank you for this so much fun to watch. BTW the sound of an old 3ft tall solid steel server tower with a 32x CDROM spinning up! I would laugh every time!
I enjoyed everything bit from this video! ❤❤
But can you install tvOS on an old Mac mini?
that actually sounds more useful than this lmao
Installing Windows 11 on Apple TV
Love this experiments! Excellent! 🍻
This was absurd and over the top with adapters……… and I love it!😂
Try Clover, OpenCore or the old chameleon Bootloader
Before seeing the ''but Everything Goes Wrong'' text in the title, I already knew this was a bad idea..
Thank You...By the end I was rolling on the floor.😊
I have no idea about what you’re talking about but I love the videos 💙💙
Going out on a limb here possibly: what would happen if you put a different bootloader in between ( thinking about GRUB - as it boots Linux and Mac OS can dual boot with GRUB)? Could that connect the dots? I'm not quite familiar with Apple hardware, but I've spent many a night tinkering. I could be wrong, but you never know...
ah yes the limb
That's what rEFIt is, an alternative bootloader like GRUB. Unfortunately the Apple TV doesn't seem to want to boot off it as is. Since the Apple TV is probably looking for a specific OS and won't boot off anything else.
@@doorknob60 Thanks for clarifying! I read somewhere in this comment section that the Apple TV can boot Linux. That's why I was suggesting trying GRUB as a bootloader. About the Apple TV looking for a specific OS: would that be hardcoded into BIOS then? So, reflashing custom BIOS to jailbreak?
Sorry for the many questions. This kind of tinkering really fascinates me.
Can you also install Linux on an Apple TV?
yes
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I don’t know if it matters, but is your DVD IDE cable backwards?? Usually the single side goes to the motherboard, and the side with two headers would go to the drives.
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In case you change the version string in the plist and screw your machine up:
Boot into single-user mode by holding down Command+S, type /sbin/mount -uw / to mount the filesystem as read/write, type nano /System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist, edit the file (insert the correct version number), exit nano and then type exit to continue booting into OS X. That should take care of this...
@48:00 you mentioned not having an older intel mac. I do have a 2006 mac mini that was fully upgraded (core duo to core 2 duo upgrade, and max ram upgrade, along with SSD) that i could send to you. i replaced it with a 2014 mac mini for having a modern OS mac sitting on my network.
UwUntu on it when?
Hehe
Love this videos 😁
Bro you tried your best and I understand the pain of all went wrong
Hello MJD!
Quick question, cause I was not able to find this info in your "my kit" page. What software / hardware are you using to record screen from different devices such as VM's, old pc's, retro tech etc?
Kind regards.
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Me: "Ah, there it is."
I latterly Exclaimed “Oh my GOSH! When I heard the Nero burn bit. Wow, It’s been a while, lol!!
The fat32 partition is an EFI System partition, that contains the bootloader. The firmware is not capable of reading NTFS formatted volumes so the XP installation failed to boot. It should be possible to get XOM working by manually putting it on the EFI System Partition and installing XP to a second NTFS Partition. Also I am not sure if the drive in the AppleTV is a GPT partition table or MBR, but your xp drive needs to match that setup.
On macs it actually doesn’t even less so on the Apple TV. The Mac firmware will always look for HFS/APFS partitions for the file System/Library/CoreServices/boot.efi or whatever file was blessed/selected in Startup Manager. However the reason why refit and xom doesn’t work is because the Apple TV implements a rudimentary checksum check for the bootloader. Since the boot loader only loads the macOS kernel and driver cache with no additional checks regular macOS and linux can be coerced into running. Probably if someone ports the ReactOS loader to run on the AppleTV XP might be possible to run but you will need a lot of workarounds since Windows versions before 8 still rely on legacy BIOS being present even in UEFI mode
I admire your dedication.
16:03 - Yeah it seems as if the Apple TV firmware wasn't programmed for the same shortcuts Intel Macs were. The solution to that would've been to go to System Preferences > Startup Disk. If the OSX CD wasn't showing up here, then it wasn't considered "bootable" (this might be because certain OSX builds were modified for hackintoshes)
I expect you checked, but just in case, don’t forget that dual IDE cables required a “master” and “slave” configuration. The mini drive will be already be master I expect but did you check the DVD drive was configured to be slave?
I think you should try and see if you could set up the clover bootloader as if it were a Hackintosh and make sure it immediately boots to clover first before any OS and then try and see if the apple tv will understand booting to clover first. then if it does then you could put the hard drive back in the laptop and set up boot camp just so you have the partition with windows already on it and then after its done adding the files for windows setup, put it back into the apple tv and tell clover to boot to windows boot camp partition.
The gen1 appletv supports usb booting. However to boot from usb requires a usb storage device with a special partition GUID that the appletv recognizes. This was used to hack appletv without needing to open the case. You used to be able to run a mac program to create this usb stick which formatted the usb stick and installed OS X on it, which then installed a bunch of utilities that hacked the appletv in service mode. It is possible, it just requires a little work. It is possible to install regular Macos this way
Clover bootloader possibly. Also, are you able to boot off the Network? It does require some fancy xtuff like a OSX Installation/Deployment server but may be able to get this going or at least boot an OSX installer.
what happened to your caps lock key on your macbook because i've broke sizzerswitch keys on laptops before ?
Have you tried with another older usb key like one that dates before the mac osx Leopard Era?
You said you were looking for suggestions. Have you tried turning it off, and then back on again?
Any chance the apple TV is rejecting the disc drive because it's not det3cting current draw on the power pins?
The string under ProductVersion in the plist file shows 10.5.8 instead of 10.4.11.
Maybe that's the problem?
I appreciate your content 🙏
I love the lengths you goto to try make this work but its clear apple don't want you messing with their stuff
i have a question can you install a newer version of mac os x dvd on a older version mac since i have a 12 year old mac and it cant support any software