Because American record companies bombard the public with garbage fake music and auto-tuned shit singers. They make it more about show and fashion then talent. American music is as fake as the indoctrinated American people. Their more concerned with their image then anything else.
Well as a matter of fact Nightwish isnt even popular in The Netherlands. Im ashamed by that. Since a few years now Floor is becoming a bit famous over here due to some TV shows. She deserves so much more popularity over here. Im hoping it will grow in the future. My country is missing out so much of Floor. But nevertheless im a very proud Dutchy because ‘our’ Floor is simply legendary.
@Swords Chant You're not fooling anyone, popular European music is garbage too. There's a huge metal scene in America, it's just not the most popular genre of music... same as in Europe.
I am not a metal head, but I like the fact that you got outside of your comfort zone and started appreciating a new genre; that takes strength, which is an increasingly scarce commodity.
@@Immortall1408 Most certainly, Mark Jansen can sing, unless he's committed to those growling vocals the non-traditional way by merely jumping straight into them. I would love to hear a critique from a vocal coach on someone using those types of vocals (that isn't Jinjer), because they are damn hard to do. You've got Dark Tranquility with the lead vocalist doing them for nearly three decades without ruining his voice, and he can sing.
Thanks for your reaction. Simone was not Floor´s student, but they are good friends, indeed. Although, another female metal singer Amanda Somerville (from the US, but she lives in Europe as far as I know) had worked with both of them and it is probable that she was coaching them somewhat. Not sure to what extent. They might have adopted some of her techniques or stylistic quirks without even realizing it. Another factoid is that Mark Jansen (no relation to Floor) who provides harsh vocals for Epica used to be in the same band with Floor for some time - After Forever. I wrote this short summary of Floor Jansen´s metal career a few days ago to share with people who are interested in what shaped her vocal personal style and as (or if) you are going forward with doing more reactions to Nightwish with her, it could help. She began her career as a vocalist for a Dutch band called After Forever when she was 16 in 1997. It was a symphonic metal band that would eventually dissolve itself in 2009. Floor wanted to gain some former musical and vocal education during her time in After Forever, but the problem was that music schools and conservatories offered only training in classical singing and music in Netherlands back then. However, Floor did not want to study primarily classical stuff, but rather more modern styles of singing. She eventually got lucky and became one of the first students to study at the rock academy in Tillburg, Netherlands. I think she actually performed with After Forever during her audition to the academy. She studied different styles of music and singing as jazz, pop, rock and probably others. She also studied musical theatre for 2 years and classical for 1 year. Floor probably got more interested in classical singing because of Nightwish´s first vocalist Tarja Turunen, but even so she wanted to incorporate those techniques into her own style, when she felt it suited a particular piece of music. She graduated in 2005. After the dissolution of After Forever, Floor formed with a few other musicians a band called ReVamp. It was still symphonic in its approach, but far heavier and that also applied to vocal styles Floor utilized during this period. She even incorporated some false cords screaming into some of ReVamp´s songs. I think she got inspired somewhat by Angela Gossow from Arch Enemy to try this. And as a self-described "vocal nerd" she found a way to make it a part of her own style (a technique that worked for her). However, the amount of work (writing songs, touring, singing, events with fans) took its tool and Floor experienced a burn-out, which plagued her existence for more than a year. When Nightwish fired their second vocalist Anette Olzon in 2012, they contacted Floor in a desperate attempt to get a replacement vocalist for the rest of their world tour. She was the obvious choice for them and probably the only person they could think of who would be able to learn a set-list during 48 hours. Floor´s confidence was still quite low due to the burn-out, I mentioned earlier. It was a risky mission. But it all went smoothly and so did the rest of the Nightwish´s world tour. The Wacken 2013 concert was a real highlight of that tour. Floor became a fully-fledged member and an official vocalist of Nightwish a month or so after that concert. Floor was still able to finish recording of ReVamp´s second album and toured with the band for a while. The band dissolved in 2016, because Floor probably did not want to go through another burn-out. Not to mention that she was pregant at the time and with a child it would get even crazier. Probably, the main difference with Nightwish is that she is not involved in song-writing process, at all; this was not the case with either After Forever nor ReVamp. Nightwish made one album with Floor as a vocalist and they will start working on the second one very soon. They also went on a tour during the last year to celebrate Nightwish´s old songs. Floor also made contributions to various other projects, but these three bands were her main focus throughout years. And she was also teaching courses on stage performances and worked as a vocal coach. Here are six selected examples from Floor´s career as a vocalist (outside of Nightwish) After Forever - Monolith of Doubt (2002) - ruclips.net/video/3TmKHkQx45U/видео.html After Forever - Follow in the Cry (2004) - ruclips.net/video/BNZvf0aur8o/видео.html After Forever - Dreamflight (2007) - ruclips.net/video/GBLke4zeZuI/видео.html Floor Jansen & Red Limo String Quartet - Cry with a Smile (2009) - ruclips.net/video/NtuXj-6MciQ/видео.html ReVamp - Disdain (live at Graspop 2010) - ruclips.net/video/tIqzPXzhEuw/видео.html ReVamp - Wild Card (live at Bloodstock 2014) - ruclips.net/video/IBgVEhODf1c/видео.html
Somerville was Simone's teacher, not Floor's. Floor studied singing at university. But Floor and Somerville have worked together before, though on a singing capacity, rather than in a teacher student dynamic.
@@juyifan7933 Fair enough. I know that Floor studied singing at school. Amanda was on tours with After Forever and was there also as a vocal coach. I should have been clearer that she still might have influenced Floor in some ways, not that she was directly teaching her how to sing, my bad.
I suppose, it could be said that Amanda was touring with the band After Forever as a vocal coach to Floor, while when she worked with Epica she was both a vocal coach and a voice teacher to Simone.
Epica has released 4 new singles from there 8th album due out in several weeks. 2 heavy and 1 ballad and 1 acoustic. Rivers is the ballad. Abyss of Time is with Simone and Mark (the growler) and theres just an acoustic version of it called Abyss Otyme. all 4 are outstanding.
Why isn't this music more popular in America? That is certainly a question I have asked myself many times! The closest we have to Symphonic Metal is Evanescence, Amy Lee is a pretty good fit to the genera and certainly worthy of inclusion, but why Nightwish, Epica and Within Temptation aren't huge here as well is a real head scratcher. Also, slightly less well known Symphonic Metal bands like Delain are superb as well.
Evanescence is Alternative rock. Evanescence is not metal whatsoever. Back in mid 90s to early 2000s Nightwish was always in the shadows of Amy Lee's band Evanescence. Evanescence and Nightwish are completely different Evanescence had a rapper for one of the songs made them Nu-metal which fits them perfectly. Nightwish is pure metal.
If you want a few more suggestions for a bit more of Floor then try these. I Want My Tears Back...Celtic fun vibe ruclips.net/video/ga-hR7CYbwQ/видео.html Romanticide....Rock ruclips.net/video/zz_7OCCQlXs/видео.html Last Ride Of The Day...Lively ruclips.net/video/QzIMx7Dqa_M/видео.html Greatest Show On Earth...Epic ruclips.net/video/45brzDJKZ3o/видео.html Sleeping Sun...beautiful ballad ruclips.net/video/rsotlzr9wNw/видео.html Shudder Before The Beautiful...Rock ruclips.net/video/7oQ8sNSYXmQ/видео.html Yours Is An Empty Hope...Very heavy with Floor growling 😊 ruclips.net/video/XtXqUNB8zrU/видео.html Poet And The Pendulum...Epic ruclips.net/video/gbn9GczYBkw/видео.html Weak Fantasy...Heavy ruclips.net/video/AN239Pbqbjo/видео.html Ghost River... ruclips.net/video/05eitd-EA6I/видео.html Song Oruclips.net/video/lQu5QjidHWgf/видео.html Myself...Heavy
Please try the studio version of Epica -Cry for the Moon. The focus is on singing with a small orchestra and choral arrangement. I think you will like it better.
Epica has recently announced concerts in Montreal, LA and NYC in January 2020 as part of their upcoming tour. No idea where you are located, but it may be a chance to see them if any of these places are within acceptable travel distance.
Shake that wondrous mane, Valerie! 🤘You can see them again if you watch them singing "Stabat Mater Dolorossa". They're great friends in real life, and love baiting the audience by flirting with each other! 😍
Epica sabat mater dolorosa live with floor janson and you also might like northward, while love died it's a band floor has formed with a frend a co wrote the songs as a side project from nightwish
this was about 3hrs in the setlist i believe.. plus Simone was pregnant.. ya werent to know that though.. but that probably explains why Floor has more power here
under every vid the setlist gets longer and longer. i wonder when i stumble across some bs like "10 hours".. 3hrs.. come on. never near that long. dont make things up
@Björn Tappe The show actually was 3 hours. I was there. The entire setlist: 1. Intro 2. Monopoly on Truth 3. Sensorium 4. Unleashed 5. Martyr of the Free Word 6. Chasing the Dragon 7. Presto 8. Never Enough 9. Stabat Mater Dolorosa 10. Twin Flames 11. Serenade Of Self-Destruction 12. Orchestral medley 13. The Divine Conspiracy 14. Delirium 15. Blank Infinity 16. The Obsessive Devotion 17. Retrospect 18. Battle Of The Heroes / The Imperial March 19. Quietus 20. The Phantom Agony First encore: 21. Cry For The Moon 22. Sancta Terra 23. Design Your Universe Second encore: 24. Storm The Sorrow 25. Consign To Oblivion
Great review and spot on analysis about the vocals (IMHO)! Simone does have that angelic voice, here she was pregnant and her mic was turned up while Floor's was turned down to balance the presentation, especially since Simone had been singing for 2 hours already. They are good friends who duets often and are involved in several side projects away from their respective bands. Epica is more of a metal sound than Nightwish usually and often Mark's growling vocal are offset to Simone's angelic lyrics, but as you said the musicianship and stage presentation of the band is outstanding. Symphonic metal never gets any exposure except on YT, even Evanescence is not a band you will hear on radios or on many playlists, so the European bands never get played, fact is they are much better than the label's software creations and LIVE just blow them away.
Really enjoyed the reaction. Both are great singers and they sound very good together. They also did some vocals together on the latest Ayreon album The Source.
Kamelot ft Simone Simmons live The Haunting and Epica Cry to The Wolf in Studio. Check those out Also you really need to check out Lacuna Coil front woman Cristina Scabbia First female band to be asked to join Ozzfest Been in love since the 90s and they have evolved so we'll. They did an incredible cover of Madonna's live to tell but you can't go wrong with any of their music especially live
I'm with you, wishing this was more popular here in the U.S . I think some of it is just the talent it takes. Basically, you are writing a good metal/rock song and then you have to write an entire orchestral score to it. Not too many people know how to do that, which is why I appreciate this genre so much. You should definitely do Within Temptation, Somewhere feat. Anneke Van Giersbergen. they sing really well together, too, plus Anneke is supposedly part of why we have Floor :)
They are friends because back in the days Epica former Mark jansen was member of Floor’s first band-After Forever! He left AF to start Epica! So, they are like a family! Even After Forever has ended, the friendship remains!
I would love for you to have a listen to Epica - Stabat Mater Dolorosa (ft. Floor Jansen). Those two epic ladies manage to completely silence an entire crowd of metalheads with that song.
These 2 Dutch ladies have known each other since very early on, maybe since childhood even. Floor has done some work as a vocal coach and both singers have practices together, but specifically Floor being a teach of Simone that I've not heard (pronounced with a longer o and an emphasis on the e, it sounds Friends). Both Nightwish and Epica do tour in the US I believe !
I, too, wish it was more popular here. I've seen Epica 4 times, but that's only in the last 9 years. And 2 of those times were in 2010. Their shows aren't quite as big and bombastic here, either. Smaller venues. But I've loved every show nonetheless. They're always a lot of fun.
You calling them Amazons is awesome! First Nordic mythology and now Greek? ;) I love both! :D These two Dutch ladies are godesses! I need a song with Sharon Den Adel from Within Temptation along thrown in with these two (Within Temptation is yet another Symphonic metal band with a Dutch front singer). These two are friends in real life and that showed in their beautiful chemistry and mutual respect
I would love to see your reaction to Devin Townsend playing the song Kingdom. He's a wonderful vocalist and artist, and I think you would enjoy his performance.
Simone was 3 months pregnant in that concert. I wonder how wonderful is the configuration of a person in the womb of a mother who sings on that stage, with that performance.
Iron Maiden also uses this approach? Maybe you can teach me too sing I'm barra tone so low. I can't sing l just play Guitar. She has a lovely voice the 2 ladys
I love how their voices sound together. This video also really puts into perspective just how tall Floor is! (I think Simone is about 5'5 and Floor is 6'0)
According to herself she is 183 cm, which is just 1.2 millimeters more than 6'0 (= 182.88 cm), so she is 6'0 rather than 6'1, which would be 185.42 cm.
Also Nightwish - The greatest show on Earth (link ruclips.net/video/45brzDJKZ3o/видео.html ) , and Nightwish - The poet and the pendulum ( link ruclips.net/video/iEzZRMthhXU/видео.html )
Another *great* Dutch singer in the symphonic metal arena is Diane van Giersbergen, formerly with Xandria, now back with Ex Libris. She's actually more purely classical/operatic in her approach compared to Simone and Floor, as she has a lot more serious classical training--Master of Arts in classical vocals IIRC. Check out this one ruclips.net/video/H77fNyYr30E/видео.html from Ex Libris for example.
Can you react to Lacuna Coil - Nothing Stands In Our Way ( The 119 Show) . They are ghotic/melodic metal band from Italy,band have two singers. Cristina Scabbia was vocal coach in Italian verson of "The Voice". She also have a few songs with really popular bands.
such as Epica, for instance; I am quite sure that Cristina was present at Epica´s 1000th concert; did you mean this live performance? - ruclips.net/video/zntJOEvoM78/видео.html
You should check out DELAIN It's a symphonic metalband from the Netherlands. Charlotte Wessels ain't a soprano, but she is classically trained. A perfect choice for a song whould be Nothing Left feat Marco Hietala(There's a official live video for it). Marco Hietala are the male vocalist of nightwish and since they sign a ballad, he sings without distortion so might be a interesting song to look up. Another thing I could recommend if you want some happy-go-lucky metal, I whould say watch the whole Nightwish concert from either Wembly or Tampere during the 2015 world tour(there's official videos on youtube). It's the endless forms most beautiful tour, so most of the music got more a "folk-metal" feel to it. It's a rollercoaster of music straight trought. I whould however not do a full show reaction too it, since it's over an hour long and if you sit down to analyze vocals too much you will miss out on all the beautiful music.
Another great option whould be Arch Enemy, It's a Swedish Melodic Deathmetal band. Alissa White-Gluz are a great Growler. I whould say War Eternal from Wacken 2016 was just epic.
The biggest problem for me with headbanging was the balance required. But then I do have poor balance. Windmilling is even more tricky in terms of that - I'd never even attempt this, I'd go staggering all over the place like a drunken sailor! Floor's a tall woman and I think that's why she leans forward so much when she windmills in particular - women are a different shape to men too (generally) - got to lower your centre of gravity or you'll flip yourself over! I've been able to headbang as part of a line though - my friends and I at a metal gig, arms round each others' shoulders - more stability. Just don't accidentally headbutt your mate in the face and you're fine. XD
It's passed some time since this reaction has been done but i think some information to be shared is: Simone was almost 3 months pregnant during this recording and she kept doing it until the 6/7 month, headbanging and singing not the easiest demanding stuff
Don’t forget this special year for (not only) Dutch metal fans: #25yearsAnnekevanGiersbergen This year marks Anneke’s 25th anniversary as a recording artist. She joined The Gathering in 1994 and in the summer of 1995 they released their legendary album album ‘Mandylion’. Before Floor, Simone, and all other great female singers we have today in metal there was already Anneke. She was (and still is) unique as a ‘metal singer’. She formed a new band called VUUR in 2017 (with the legendary Ed Warby, former Gorefest/Ayreon, on drums) and this years she won the Dutch Rock Award. This is Anneke today with VUUR: ‘Days Go By’, live (of course!). ruclips.net/video/hZUJcOLd86Y/видео.html
@@Immortall1408 Yes, before Liv and Anneke there was only Doro (as far as i know) and some typical 80ties hair metal bands like Vixen. Nice, but like all 'hair metal' a bit cliché. Or maybe it's fair to say 'very' cliché...? Anneke and Liv totally did their own thing. In that way they became an inspiration for a lot of younger singers like Floor. The amazing thing about Anneke is all the different things she did over the last 18, 19 years: Metal, powerrock, classical and even Americana-style (with the band Lorrainville). And it all sounds great. In my opinion her work with Devin Townsend Project is the best. Their voices sound almost perfect together.
You asked "Why isn't this music more popular in the US". Well, a couple of answers as best I can tell 1) this music is not cheap auto-tuned garbage where the singers learn to dance first and be talented singers second. 2) Also, most of these songs tend to 5-6 mintues (or much longer) which makes it impossible for them to be put on the radio in the US ( 3 mins or less is the rule I think). But the good news is that Nightwish and many of these symphonic metal bands do tour North America, South America, Asia, Europe, etc so check em out when you can :).
@@Immortall1408 It's not like a law or anything, but generally in the US music producers want easy to consume and market bits of music. I'm mean think about it, Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen would never be allowed on the air waves these days (barely was in the 1970's)
@@galeforce7765 You mean something like Big Mac music. I did not suppose that it would be a law, but rather an unwritten rule of commercial radio broadcasting.
Maybe this kind of music is not so cheap to do, but moneywise Nightwish is doing really well if you compare them to ”normal” companies. Their first priority is music and to create good shows to their fans and after that is not to waste money for stupid things. They are on the list of the Finnish companies which are doing well. They are making pfrofit even on those years when they are not touring. Because they are consentrating on qualiy and good music they have been around so many years and now they are more famous than ever before.
Great to see that you're back with a reaction to two of the most talented female vocalists in metal. For this performance they mixed Simone's vocals louder as she was several months pregnant and had already been singing for two hours. In case you are interested, you could also check out two more Dutch female goddesses on vocals by reacting to this LIVE duet by Sharon Den Adel (Within Temptation) & Anneke Van Giersbergen (The Gathering, The Gentle Storm, Vuur, Ayreon, Devin Townsend, Timo Tolkki's Avalon etc.): Somewhere - The Best Duet Ever ruclips.net/video/IR_mBh5mqok/видео.html P.S. IMHO this type of music isn't popular in the US as it's too complicated and therefore doesn't have the commercial potential desired by record companies, radio stations etc..
Maradox okay but floor is one person and simone is another person? they're going to deal with pregnancy differently? do you really think all women deal with it the same way lol?
You absolutely get it. Metal is fun. Hagar The Horrible for your ears! And maybe the most creative genre in all the world of rock, not that formulas don't still exist within it, I just think it's a genre less bound by or beholden to them.
Dear Valerie please react to Kamelot - The Haunting with Simone Simons. Kamelot's former singer Roy Khan is also something you should definitely check it out, very expressive and powerful vocalist. Here is live performance ruclips.net/video/IWDALIOzXNk/видео.html
I think Metalica may have been inspired by these bands when they did their S&M (Symphony & Metalica) concert. The problem with that is that their music was never written for an orchestra. They tried to tack one on to their existing songs and it didn't work very well. But I suspect that this is where the inspiration came from.
Nightwish and Within Temptation released their first albums in 97 and there was some more progressive metal before that which was creeping close to something that you could call 'symphonic metal' as we know it now. I could very well imagine however that S&M pushed quite a few metal fans and bands into exploring the symphonic genre. Certainly the early Metallica stuff worked so well for it.
As already asked before, please a reaction on Stabat Mater by Pergolesi by Simone Simons & Floor Jansen. ruclips.net/video/QqdvFPBGN0c/видео.html It's from this concert too, so with orchestra. It's just gorgeous!!! Btw the 'i' in Simone Simons sounds more like the 'ea' in sea or the 'ie' in Kiefer.
I really suggest you to react or even just listen to the following Floor/Simon duets at Metal Female Voice Festival at Belguim, 1st one is with Epica, an After Forever cover, 2nd one is a year after with Floor's band Revamp at the same festival, I'm really sure you will love them. Epica - Follow In the Cry: ruclips.net/video/1u6Uf4fwRJw/видео.html Revamp -Sweet Curse: ruclips.net/video/xmYzLIB6OjU/видео.html
Since you like this performance so much you should definetely take a look at "Stabat mater dolorosa" where both ladies can show-off their classical training. ruclips.net/video/QqdvFPBGN0c/видео.html
For another Symphonic Metal band like Nightwish and Epica, listen to "Within Temptation". They are the third of the big three Symphonic Metal bands. Like many really good bands, Within Temptation is at their best live. Try their 15 year Anniversary Concert in Antwerp. Good songs to start with would be: "Iron" starting at 5-40 - "Faster" staring at 16-30 and "Sinead" starting at 56-40. They had a full Orchestra on stage and it was an AMAZING concert.
"Why isn't this popular in America?" Epic question, been wondering that myself forever. Sooooo great!!!🤘❤️🤘
America has Lil Pump
@@CapitanDePlai And a man cold Trump!
Because American record companies bombard the public with garbage fake music and auto-tuned shit singers. They make it more about show and fashion then talent. American music is as fake as the indoctrinated American people. Their more concerned with their image then anything else.
Well as a matter of fact Nightwish isnt even popular in The Netherlands. Im ashamed by that. Since a few years now Floor is becoming a bit famous over here due to some TV shows. She deserves so much more popularity over here. Im hoping it will grow in the future. My country is missing out so much of Floor. But nevertheless im a very proud Dutchy because ‘our’ Floor is simply legendary.
@Swords Chant You're not fooling anyone, popular European music is garbage too. There's a huge metal scene in America, it's just not the most popular genre of music... same as in Europe.
I suggest you react to The poet and the pendulum by nightwish it's such an incredible performence.
here is the one with lyrics - ruclips.net/video/iEzZRMthhXU/видео.html
So from these two heres another good one..EPICA - Stabat Mater Dolorosa w/Floor Jansen (Retrospect 10th Anniversary DVD I)
YES!!!! I would love a reaction on that one!
The two are friends since childhood, so amazing chemistry! Love their friendship!
Like you, I really wish this stuff was more popular in the USA. But there is a huge fan base here and they do come here. I love this stuff so much.
I am not a metal head, but I like the fact that you got outside of your comfort zone and started appreciating a new genre; that takes strength, which is an increasingly scarce commodity.
I would be curious on your take on something heavier. Try "Consign to Oblivion" by Epica, live at Zenith.
Would not "Kingdom of Heaven" be better for reacting to vocals as Simone does not really sing that much in "Consign to Oblivion"?
@@Immortall1408 Most certainly, Mark Jansen can sing, unless he's committed to those growling vocals the non-traditional way by merely jumping straight into them.
I would love to hear a critique from a vocal coach on someone using those types of vocals (that isn't Jinjer), because they are damn hard to do.
You've got Dark Tranquility with the lead vocalist doing them for nearly three decades without ruining his voice, and he can sing.
@@peterwyatt5702 Do you know the channel VoiceHacks?
You should react Epica - Design Your Universe and Epica - Unleashed.
Totally agreev
Thanks for your reaction. Simone was not Floor´s student, but they are good friends, indeed. Although, another female metal singer Amanda Somerville (from the US, but she lives in Europe as far as I know) had worked with both of them and it is probable that she was coaching them somewhat. Not sure to what extent. They might have adopted some of her techniques or stylistic quirks without even realizing it. Another factoid is that Mark Jansen (no relation to Floor) who provides harsh vocals for Epica used to be in the same band with Floor for some time - After Forever.
I wrote this short summary of Floor Jansen´s metal career a few days ago to share with people who are interested in what shaped her vocal personal style and as (or if) you are going forward with doing more reactions to Nightwish with her, it could help.
She began her career as a vocalist for a Dutch band called After Forever when she was 16 in 1997. It was a symphonic metal band that would eventually dissolve itself in 2009. Floor wanted to gain some former musical and vocal education during her time in After Forever, but the problem was that music schools and conservatories offered only training in classical singing and music in Netherlands back then. However, Floor did not want to study primarily classical stuff, but rather more modern styles of singing. She eventually got lucky and became one of the first students to study at the rock academy in Tillburg, Netherlands. I think she actually performed with After Forever during her audition to the academy. She studied different styles of music and singing as jazz, pop, rock and probably others. She also studied musical theatre for 2 years and classical for 1 year. Floor probably got more interested in classical singing because of Nightwish´s first vocalist Tarja Turunen, but even so she wanted to incorporate those techniques into her own style, when she felt it suited a particular piece of music. She graduated in 2005.
After the dissolution of After Forever, Floor formed with a few other musicians a band called ReVamp. It was still symphonic in its approach, but far heavier and that also applied to vocal styles Floor utilized during this period. She even incorporated some false cords screaming into some of ReVamp´s songs. I think she got inspired somewhat by Angela Gossow from Arch Enemy to try this. And as a self-described "vocal nerd" she found a way to make it a part of her own style (a technique that worked for her). However, the amount of work (writing songs, touring, singing, events with fans) took its tool and Floor experienced a burn-out, which plagued her existence for more than a year.
When Nightwish fired their second vocalist Anette Olzon in 2012, they contacted Floor in a desperate attempt to get a replacement vocalist for the rest of their world tour. She was the obvious choice for them and probably the only person they could think of who would be able to learn a set-list during 48 hours. Floor´s confidence was still quite low due to the burn-out, I mentioned earlier. It was a risky mission. But it all went smoothly and so did the rest of the Nightwish´s world tour. The Wacken 2013 concert was a real highlight of that tour. Floor became a fully-fledged member and an official vocalist of Nightwish a month or so after that concert.
Floor was still able to finish recording of ReVamp´s second album and toured with the band for a while. The band dissolved in 2016, because Floor probably did not want to go through another burn-out. Not to mention that she was pregant at the time and with a child it would get even crazier. Probably, the main difference with Nightwish is that she is not involved in song-writing process, at all; this was not the case with either After Forever nor ReVamp. Nightwish made one album with Floor as a vocalist and they will start working on the second one very soon. They also went on a tour during the last year to celebrate Nightwish´s old songs.
Floor also made contributions to various other projects, but these three bands were her main focus throughout years. And she was also teaching courses on stage performances and worked as a vocal coach.
Here are six selected examples from Floor´s career as a vocalist (outside of Nightwish)
After Forever - Monolith of Doubt (2002) - ruclips.net/video/3TmKHkQx45U/видео.html
After Forever - Follow in the Cry (2004) - ruclips.net/video/BNZvf0aur8o/видео.html
After Forever - Dreamflight (2007) - ruclips.net/video/GBLke4zeZuI/видео.html
Floor Jansen & Red Limo String Quartet - Cry with a Smile (2009) - ruclips.net/video/NtuXj-6MciQ/видео.html
ReVamp - Disdain (live at Graspop 2010) - ruclips.net/video/tIqzPXzhEuw/видео.html
ReVamp - Wild Card (live at Bloodstock 2014) - ruclips.net/video/IBgVEhODf1c/видео.html
Somerville was Simone's teacher, not Floor's. Floor studied singing at university. But Floor and Somerville have worked together before, though on a singing capacity, rather than in a teacher student dynamic.
@@juyifan7933 Fair enough. I know that Floor studied singing at school. Amanda was on tours with After Forever and was there also as a vocal coach. I should have been clearer that she still might have influenced Floor in some ways, not that she was directly teaching her how to sing, my bad.
I suppose, it could be said that Amanda was touring with the band After Forever as a vocal coach to Floor, while when she worked with Epica she was both a vocal coach and a voice teacher to Simone.
Wow, great of you to write all that down. 👍
@@oliphant2848 I´ll find the time well-spent, if anybody finds information within the post useful.
Epica tours a lot in the US, I bet you'll have a chance to catch them pretty soon
Your smile says it all❤
React to Stabat Mater Dolorosa from the same show!
Epica has released 4 new singles from there 8th album due out in several weeks. 2 heavy and 1 ballad and 1 acoustic. Rivers is the ballad. Abyss of Time is with Simone and Mark (the growler) and theres just an acoustic version of it called Abyss Otyme. all 4 are outstanding.
Epica - Chasing the Dragon (Retrospect)
Why isn't this music more popular in America? That is certainly a question I have asked myself many times! The closest we have to Symphonic Metal is Evanescence, Amy Lee is a pretty good fit to the genera and certainly worthy of inclusion, but why Nightwish, Epica and Within Temptation aren't huge here as well is a real head scratcher. Also, slightly less well known Symphonic Metal bands like Delain are superb as well.
And are they not popular, or not even known in America?
Evanescence is Alternative rock. Evanescence is not metal whatsoever. Back in mid 90s to early 2000s Nightwish was always in the shadows of Amy Lee's band Evanescence. Evanescence and Nightwish are completely different Evanescence had a rapper for one of the songs made them Nu-metal which fits them perfectly. Nightwish is pure metal.
If you want a few more suggestions for a bit more of Floor then try these.
I Want My Tears Back...Celtic fun vibe
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Romanticide....Rock
ruclips.net/video/zz_7OCCQlXs/видео.html
Last Ride Of The Day...Lively
ruclips.net/video/QzIMx7Dqa_M/видео.html
Greatest Show On Earth...Epic
ruclips.net/video/45brzDJKZ3o/видео.html
Sleeping Sun...beautiful ballad
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Shudder Before The Beautiful...Rock
ruclips.net/video/7oQ8sNSYXmQ/видео.html
Yours Is An Empty Hope...Very heavy with Floor growling 😊
ruclips.net/video/XtXqUNB8zrU/видео.html
Poet And The Pendulum...Epic
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Weak Fantasy...Heavy
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Ghost River...
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Song Oruclips.net/video/lQu5QjidHWgf/видео.html Myself...Heavy
Really love this song
Now that was cool. And I agree, I wish this type of music was more popular here in the states. . . . . Dammit!
This song is so much fun!
Please try the studio version of Epica -Cry for the Moon. The focus is on singing with a small orchestra and choral arrangement. I think you will like it better.
Epica has recently announced concerts in Montreal, LA and NYC in January 2020 as part of their upcoming tour. No idea where you are located, but it may be a chance to see them if any of these places are within acceptable travel distance.
For more Symphonic metal, I recommend Xandria and Kamelot.
Shake that wondrous mane, Valerie! 🤘You can see them again if you watch them singing "Stabat Mater Dolorossa". They're great friends in real life, and love baiting the audience by flirting with each other! 😍
If you like Floor and Simone singing together I would suggest Epica - Stabat mater dolorosa from the same concert. A realy lovely song.
Two beautiful women... I love Floor! It's worth mentioning the drums on this song... Very powerful!
Epica sabat mater dolorosa live with floor janson and you also might like northward, while love died it's a band floor has formed with a frend a co wrote the songs as a side project from nightwish
I would agree with Stabat Mater Dolorosa, that would be good. She might like to listen to Northward on her own as it is not a live performance.
this was about 3hrs in the setlist i believe.. plus Simone was pregnant.. ya werent to know that though.. but that probably explains why Floor has more power here
Indeed, this was in the first encore. Explains the less heavy headbanging too.
And floor was the guest singer in ..2(?) Songs.
under every vid the setlist gets longer and longer. i wonder when i stumble across some bs like "10 hours".. 3hrs.. come on. never near that long. dont make things up
@@bjorntappe4139 i originally thought 2hrs.. then it turned to 3hrs..
@Björn Tappe
The show actually was 3 hours. I was there.
The entire setlist:
1. Intro
2. Monopoly on Truth
3. Sensorium
4. Unleashed
5. Martyr of the Free Word
6. Chasing the Dragon
7. Presto
8. Never Enough
9. Stabat Mater Dolorosa
10. Twin Flames
11. Serenade Of Self-Destruction
12. Orchestral medley
13. The Divine Conspiracy
14. Delirium
15. Blank Infinity
16. The Obsessive Devotion
17. Retrospect
18. Battle Of The Heroes / The Imperial March
19. Quietus
20. The Phantom Agony
First encore:
21. Cry For The Moon
22. Sancta Terra
23. Design Your Universe
Second encore:
24. Storm The Sorrow
25. Consign To Oblivion
Great review and spot on analysis about the vocals (IMHO)! Simone does have that angelic voice, here she was pregnant and her mic was turned up while Floor's was turned down to balance the presentation, especially since Simone had been singing for 2 hours already. They are good friends who duets often and are involved in several side projects away from their respective bands. Epica is more of a metal sound than Nightwish usually and often Mark's growling vocal are offset to Simone's angelic lyrics, but as you said the musicianship and stage presentation of the band is outstanding.
Symphonic metal never gets any exposure except on YT, even Evanescence is not a band you will hear on radios or on many playlists, so the European bands never get played, fact is they are much better than the label's software creations and LIVE just blow them away.
Suggestion: Stabat Mater Dolorosa. (Epica with Floor Jansen). Simone is just amazing here!
Really enjoyed the reaction. Both are great singers and they sound very good together. They also did some vocals together on the latest Ayreon album The Source.
Kamelot ft Simone Simmons live The Haunting and Epica Cry to The Wolf in Studio.
Check those out
Also you really need to check out Lacuna Coil front woman Cristina Scabbia
First female band to be asked to join Ozzfest
Been in love since the 90s and they have evolved so we'll. They did an incredible cover of Madonna's live to tell but you can't go wrong with any of their music especially live
Epica w/ Floor Jansen (Stabat Mater Dolorosa- Live)
Me encantan sus videos.
I'm with you, wishing this was more popular here in the U.S . I think some of it is just the talent it takes. Basically, you are writing a good metal/rock song and then you have to write an entire orchestral score to it. Not too many people know how to do that, which is why I appreciate this genre so much. You should definitely do Within Temptation, Somewhere feat. Anneke Van Giersbergen. they sing really well together, too, plus Anneke is supposedly part of why we have Floor :)
Valerie (right?) YOU ROCK!
They are friends because back in the days Epica former Mark jansen was member of Floor’s first band-After Forever! He left AF to start Epica! So, they are like a family! Even After Forever has ended, the friendship remains!
I would love for you to have a listen to Epica - Stabat Mater Dolorosa (ft. Floor Jansen). Those two epic ladies manage to completely silence an entire crowd of metalheads with that song.
I need to do this! Thanks for the reminder.
These 2 Dutch ladies have known each other since very early on, maybe since childhood even. Floor has done some work as a vocal coach and both singers have practices together, but specifically Floor being a teach of Simone that I've not heard (pronounced with a longer o and an emphasis on the e, it sounds Friends).
Both Nightwish and Epica do tour in the US I believe !
I, too, wish it was more popular here. I've seen Epica 4 times, but that's only in the last 9 years. And 2 of those times were in 2010. Their shows aren't quite as big and bombastic here, either. Smaller venues. But I've loved every show nonetheless. They're always a lot of fun.
And it is recognizable when a band takes pleasure in performing and not just going through the moves.
You calling them Amazons is awesome! First Nordic mythology and now Greek? ;) I love both! :D These two Dutch ladies are godesses! I need a song with Sharon Den Adel from Within Temptation along thrown in with these two (Within Temptation is yet another Symphonic metal band with a Dutch front singer). These two are friends in real life and that showed in their beautiful chemistry and mutual respect
Oreintle music with a Rockn heavy chanting progresion,kinda like Phantom of opera like.
Yeah its very nice.
All the notes are there
React to Epica - consing to oblivion live at the zenith please
Thanks for the reaction 😊
Storytime live in wacken 2013 . nightwish is awesome
Honestly, watched a few of your videos, seen how you look, I think you could pull off leather very well.
I would love to see your reaction to Devin Townsend playing the song Kingdom. He's a wonderful vocalist and artist, and I think you would enjoy his performance.
Simone was 3 months pregnant in that concert. I wonder how wonderful is the configuration of a person in the womb of a mother who sings on that stage, with that performance.
My suggestion is Dan Vasc please
Exactly, why is this music not more popular in America?
Iron Maiden also uses this approach?
Maybe you can teach me too sing
I'm barra tone so low.
I can't sing l just play Guitar.
She has a lovely voice the 2 ladys
Please react to EPICA - Stabat Mater Dolorosa Feat. Floor Jansen (Retrospect 10th Anniversary DVD I)
Definitely need to listen to Xandria-Nightfall. Featuring another Dutch soprano, Diane Van Giersbergen
between live performances of Nightfall, only the one from Masters of Rock seems to have anything approaching good sound quality
@@Immortall1408 True. Would have to react to the official Video.
I love how their voices sound together. This video also really puts into perspective just how tall Floor is! (I think Simone is about 5'5 and Floor is 6'0)
floor is 6.1(1.83m) without heels .
@@arnaldotanta3630 It's always funny to see Her next to Emppu (1m60)
According to herself she is 183 cm, which is just 1.2 millimeters more than 6'0 (= 182.88 cm), so she is 6'0 rather than 6'1, which would be 185.42 cm.
Maybe try review on kamelot? their olf singer roy kahn(sp) did a beautiful duet with simone. and he has an amazing voice :)
my favorites!!
Ur cool I love watching u!💞
Also Nightwish - The greatest show on Earth (link ruclips.net/video/45brzDJKZ3o/видео.html ) , and Nightwish - The poet and the pendulum ( link ruclips.net/video/iEzZRMthhXU/видео.html )
Have you listen to epica ft. floor jansen- stabat mater dolorosa...
Great reaction! Both are awesome. You should react to Queensryche- Take Hold of the Flame live or Yebba-My Mind
Ayreon : the day that the world breaks down. Both ladies sing in that one as well as about 10 other singers.
Another *great* Dutch singer in the symphonic metal arena is Diane van Giersbergen, formerly with Xandria, now back with Ex Libris. She's actually more purely classical/operatic in her approach compared to Simone and Floor, as she has a lot more serious classical training--Master of Arts in classical vocals IIRC. Check out this one ruclips.net/video/H77fNyYr30E/видео.html from Ex Libris for example.
this review diane she's amazing!!!
Can you react to Lacuna Coil - Nothing Stands In Our Way ( The 119 Show) . They are ghotic/melodic metal band from Italy,band have two singers. Cristina Scabbia was vocal coach in Italian verson of "The Voice". She also have a few songs with really popular bands.
such as Epica, for instance; I am quite sure that Cristina was present at Epica´s 1000th concert; did you mean this live performance? - ruclips.net/video/zntJOEvoM78/видео.html
Please react to floor and epica playing "follow in the cry"
Can you react to Epica ft Floor Jansen = Stabat Mater Dolorosa? it’s a really great performance!!!
Try Kamelot. Anything older with Roy Kahn as vocalist. My favorite metal singer.
You should check out DELAIN It's a symphonic metalband from the Netherlands. Charlotte Wessels ain't a soprano, but she is classically trained.
A perfect choice for a song whould be Nothing Left feat Marco Hietala(There's a official live video for it). Marco Hietala are the male vocalist of nightwish and since they sign a ballad, he sings without distortion so might be a interesting song to look up.
Another thing I could recommend if you want some happy-go-lucky metal, I whould say watch the whole Nightwish concert from either Wembly or Tampere during the 2015 world tour(there's official videos on youtube). It's the endless forms most beautiful tour, so most of the music got more a "folk-metal" feel to it. It's a rollercoaster of music straight trought. I whould however not do a full show reaction too it, since it's over an hour long and if you sit down to analyze vocals too much you will miss out on all the beautiful music.
and here it is: ruclips.net/video/YXFlDz-TtfI/видео.html
Another great option whould be Arch Enemy, It's a Swedish Melodic Deathmetal band.
Alissa White-Gluz are a great Growler. I whould say War Eternal from Wacken 2016 was just epic.
The biggest problem for me with headbanging was the balance required. But then I do have poor balance. Windmilling is even more tricky in terms of that - I'd never even attempt this, I'd go staggering all over the place like a drunken sailor! Floor's a tall woman and I think that's why she leans forward so much when she windmills in particular - women are a different shape to men too (generally) - got to lower your centre of gravity or you'll flip yourself over! I've been able to headbang as part of a line though - my friends and I at a metal gig, arms round each others' shoulders - more stability. Just don't accidentally headbutt your mate in the face and you're fine. XD
Also Floor and her guitarist Marco sing Ave Maria live
pregnant or non-pregnant version? and there is also a clip of her singing a metal cover of "O Holy Night" in Finnish
It's passed some time since this reaction has been done but i think some information to be shared is: Simone was almost 3 months pregnant during this recording and she kept doing it until the 6/7 month, headbanging and singing not the easiest demanding stuff
Impressive!
Hi!
Please react to Epica - Unleashed (live Retrospect show)
Epica - Design Your Universe (live Retrospect show)
Epica - Stabat Mater Dolorosa (live Retrospect show)
Don’t forget this special year for (not only) Dutch metal fans: #25yearsAnnekevanGiersbergen This year marks Anneke’s 25th anniversary as a recording artist. She joined The Gathering in 1994 and in the summer of 1995 they released their legendary album album ‘Mandylion’. Before Floor, Simone, and all other great female singers we have today in metal there was already Anneke. She was (and still is) unique as a ‘metal singer’. She formed a new band called VUUR in 2017 (with the legendary Ed Warby, former Gorefest/Ayreon, on drums) and this years she won the Dutch Rock Award. This is Anneke today with VUUR: ‘Days Go By’, live (of course!). ruclips.net/video/hZUJcOLd86Y/видео.html
She was certainly one of the first before 1995. I think Liv Kristine was another one.
@@Immortall1408 Yes, before Liv and Anneke there was only Doro (as far as i know) and some typical 80ties hair metal bands like Vixen. Nice, but like all 'hair metal' a bit cliché. Or maybe it's fair to say 'very' cliché...? Anneke and Liv totally did their own thing. In that way they became an inspiration for a lot of younger singers like Floor. The amazing thing about Anneke is all the different things she did over the last 18, 19 years: Metal, powerrock, classical and even Americana-style (with the band Lorrainville). And it all sounds great. In my opinion her work with Devin Townsend Project is the best. Their voices sound almost perfect together.
They are best friends. Simone was pregnant at the time. she was also sick, and two hrs into a three hour concert.
You asked "Why isn't this music more popular in the US". Well, a couple of answers as best I can tell 1) this music is not cheap auto-tuned garbage where the singers learn to dance first and be talented singers second. 2) Also, most of these songs tend to 5-6 mintues (or much longer) which makes it impossible for them to be put on the radio in the US ( 3 mins or less is the rule I think). But the good news is that Nightwish and many of these symphonic metal bands do tour North America, South America, Asia, Europe, etc so check em out when you can :).
That really sucks, if there is such a rule. Very few of songs by symphonic metal bands are under 3 mins. I can´t even think of one right now.
@@Immortall1408 It's not like a law or anything, but generally in the US music producers want easy to consume and market bits of music. I'm mean think about it, Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen would never be allowed on the air waves these days (barely was in the 1970's)
@@galeforce7765 You mean something like Big Mac music. I did not suppose that it would be a law, but rather an unwritten rule of commercial radio broadcasting.
Maybe this kind of music is not so cheap to do, but moneywise Nightwish is doing really well if you compare them to ”normal” companies. Their first priority is music and to create good shows to their fans and after that is not to waste money for stupid things. They are on the list of the Finnish companies which are doing well. They are making pfrofit even on those years when they are not touring. Because they are consentrating on qualiy and good music they have been around so many years and now they are more famous than ever before.
Great to see that you're back with a reaction to two of the most talented female vocalists in metal. For this performance they mixed Simone's vocals louder as she was several months pregnant and had already been singing for two hours.
In case you are interested, you could also check out two more Dutch female goddesses on vocals by reacting to this LIVE duet by Sharon Den Adel (Within Temptation) & Anneke Van Giersbergen (The Gathering, The Gentle Storm, Vuur, Ayreon, Devin Townsend, Timo Tolkki's Avalon etc.): Somewhere - The Best Duet Ever ruclips.net/video/IR_mBh5mqok/видео.html
P.S. IMHO this type of music isn't popular in the US as it's too complicated and therefore doesn't have the commercial potential desired by record companies, radio stations etc..
and this was the song that pushed Floor into joining a band :-) - ruclips.net/video/1HUMwinV2AQ/видео.html
Would you Please please React to EPICA - MEMORY which they recorded live in studio, its from the musical Cats! :D
It should be remembered that Simone was pregnant here...so that may have "cut" the strength of her voice somewhat.
Yes, she was pregnant, and they altered volume levels to compensate for it a bit.
thank you for mentioning this! her being pregnant was definitely also the reason for her not doing the hardcore headbanging.
Being pregnant in the 7th month didn't stop Floor to show her powerful voice at this performance ruclips.net/video/ym1Wc5dmUYc/видео.html
Maradox okay but floor is one person and simone is another person? they're going to deal with pregnancy differently? do you really think all women deal with it the same way lol?
@@hwafans interesting, willing to make an excuse for one and not the other ;)
You absolutely get it.
Metal is fun. Hagar The Horrible for your ears! And maybe the most creative genre in all the world of rock, not that formulas don't still exist within it, I just think it's a genre less bound by or beholden to them.
And to think Simone was pregnant doing this. So amazing
You so remind me of Helen Hunt 😍😍
Suggestion : Midgard - Therion cover by RANTHIEL
i really miss your bts reactions :( hope you do some again soon!!
Dear Valerie please react to Kamelot - The Haunting with Simone Simons. Kamelot's former singer Roy Khan is also something you should definitely check it out, very expressive and powerful vocalist. Here is live performance ruclips.net/video/IWDALIOzXNk/видео.html
You could make a running series out of it with the amount of people who did this during last 10 years.
Yesss ❤️
thisss!! ROY!!
Nightwish - Poet and the Pendulum, with lyrics please. You will love the song.
You should react to Tarja and Floor singing " Over the hills". They are really good friends.
Please more Epica
Consing to Oblivion (live Zenith)
Unchain utopia (live hellfest)
Desing your universe (live)
Chasing the dragon (live)
Feint
Solitary ground
I think what you're hearing is the fact that floor uses a bit more chest in her mix register than Simone does.
I think Metalica may have been inspired by these bands when they did their S&M (Symphony & Metalica) concert. The problem with that is that their music was never written for an orchestra. They tried to tack one on to their existing songs and it didn't work very well. But I suspect that this is where the inspiration came from.
Nightwish and Within Temptation released their first albums in 97 and there was some more progressive metal before that which was creeping close to something that you could call 'symphonic metal' as we know it now. I could very well imagine however that S&M pushed quite a few metal fans and bands into exploring the symphonic genre. Certainly the early Metallica stuff worked so well for it.
As already asked before, please a reaction on Stabat Mater by Pergolesi by Simone Simons & Floor Jansen.
ruclips.net/video/QqdvFPBGN0c/видео.html
It's from this concert too, so with orchestra. It's just gorgeous!!!
Btw the 'i' in Simone Simons sounds more like the 'ea' in sea or the 'ie' in Kiefer.
they had another performance together without metal called Stabat Mater Dolorosa
I really suggest you to react or even just listen to the following Floor/Simon duets at Metal Female Voice Festival at Belguim, 1st one is with Epica, an After Forever cover, 2nd one is a year after with Floor's band Revamp at the same festival, I'm really sure you will love them.
Epica - Follow In the Cry: ruclips.net/video/1u6Uf4fwRJw/видео.html
Revamp -Sweet Curse: ruclips.net/video/xmYzLIB6OjU/видео.html
.You should check out Within Temptation>
If you are all into Dutch singers then you have to try Within Temptation , also symphonic metal ;)
I agree Nightwish...
Since you like this performance so much you should definetely take a look at "Stabat mater dolorosa" where both ladies can show-off their classical training. ruclips.net/video/QqdvFPBGN0c/видео.html
I thought Simone's voice cut through the instruments a little better here. Though I think you're right that Floor had more "heft" in her voice.
To me it seemed like Simone's mic was a bit lowder rather.
She was pregnant at the time.
Her mic was turned to a higher volume and she was pregnant.
Pregnancy doesn't make you louder...you may be right about her mic being louder, but I still feel like she was singing with a brighter tone. Cool.
Her being pregnant was also why she wasn't head banging like Floor was. I think the band was already 2 hours into the show at the time.
Please coment "Nightwish - the poet and the pendulum-live at wembley 2016"
For another Symphonic Metal band like Nightwish and Epica, listen to "Within Temptation". They are the third of the big three Symphonic Metal bands. Like many really good bands, Within Temptation is at their best live. Try their 15 year Anniversary Concert in Antwerp. Good songs to start with would be: "Iron" starting at 5-40 - "Faster" staring at 16-30 and "Sinead" starting at 56-40. They had a full Orchestra on stage and it was an AMAZING concert.
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Epica Stabat Mater Dolorosa feat Floor Jansen LIVE
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