MSI Claw Vs ROG Ally! Can Intel Beat AMD in the handheld gaming PC Space?
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- In this video we put the all new Msi claw up against the ASUS ROG Ally! AMD VS Intel handheld battle. Can the MSI Claw with the new Intel Core Ultra 7 155H beat the ROG Ally with Ryzen Z1 Extreme in gaming? How about battery Life? Let’s find out.
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00:00 Introduction
00:28 Overview
01:48 MSI Claw Specs VS ROG Ally Specs
03:22 MSi Claw Benchmarks VS ROG ally
04:30 MSI claw gaming vs rog ally
07:37 MSi Claw Battery Life Vs ROg Ally 
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The answer to the title question is no.
My day is sad, and i am immeassurably disappointed.
@@Micecheese I really wanted to like this device too. It’s a shame.
Thank for help me skip this video
You spoilered the whole thing! Good that I have my ally already ^.^
and by no, he means hell no
53°(ROG) vs 72°(MSI)...
very good quality of chips from Intel as always 😂, if u have a gaming pc in winter you don't need extra heat system 😂
Maybe windows is the bad guy here. I wonder how these processors would fair on Linux.
@@gregorywilson2124 no , it's only intel , on ally it's doing fine after asus made some optimisations but it wasn't that bad from the first place, intel it's just like Samsung with exyons
@@cristianJoker2512 exynos gets better overtime, but yeah
@@cilllee2308 indeed, they fixed the manufacturing process, now they have issues only with modem , but intel has slept a long time just milking us and now they deserve all , if Qualcomm chips are soo good then it's game over for intel and amd
AMD is AMD, AMD Wins
10 years ago everyone would laugh at you but now it's true 😂
Keep buying AMD stock. 🙏
I read that in JerryRigEverything's voice :D
Thanks for the comparison video., in the future it might be helpful to keep the devices comparisons on the same side the whole way.
MSI flaw is doing wonders🔥
😂😂
That's a good one lol
MSI Flaw lol
Underrated.
Question is if the MSI Claw is under performing, or if these results are similar to other meteor lake laptops with 28-40W?
SAME RESULTS
I'd like to see more testing with the Onexplayer X1, I was an early donor and just got mine yesterday. So far I love it!! Granted, I didn't buy it for the intel processor but more so the unique form factor. It's like a surface go for gaming, something I had wanted for a long time. Love your content, greetings from Arctic Alaska 😁
Same...I'm in the batch #2 and probably will not get mine until April, even though I ordered a couple days after campaign launched 😐
I know the details, read the updates of the delay and have 2 x OneXplayer handhelds already so I trust One-Net, but still. The waiting...
I also agree, the OneXplayer X1's saving grace it it's different enough with other functions it will probably be the most successful "Intel" handheld for a couple years.
Still plan on getting an AMD X1 or X2 when it inevitably comes out and give the Intel one to family.
Bro keep switching the side between rog ally and msi claw think he can trick me 😂
I was like, why switching my guy.... Money I guess.
So either get rog ally extreme or Lenovo legion go
Or Steam Deck
Ally or Steam Deck. Lenovo still hasn't fixed the issues the Go has and probably never will.
@@AG-bp3ll time will tell
What issues are you referring to with the Go?@@AG-bp3ll
@@AG-bp3ll which issues you mean?
ROG Ally still the king and has performed wayyy better now after all the Asus optimization than at launch
Would be nice to somehow see ally at launch software VS the msi. Even though I bet the ally still wins, might be a lot closer.
@jhutchmb true, you can see ETA primes old benchmark videos from launch day of Ally. Even before cyberpunk was patched with 2.0, it's still crushes msi
What do you mean by king? For a true handheld OLED Steam Deck is the true king.
I would only call them king when they have a oled version
Yep, if I didn't have a steam deck I'd definitely be considering an ally
I have ROG ally, I love it but I would also like to experience the claw one day. I’ve tried the steam deck before the ally came out but waited till ally came out to purchase. I’ve also looked at the other handhelds out there and I’m happy you have done a review for most. Tho in the hands of each user specs and likes will very. Thank you again for a awesome video and review
Great video 👍
Cyberpunk on a Handheld is nuts. If the claw came out like 3 years ago, everyone would praise it... the handheld pc market made some big jumps =)
That's a good point, the gains have been massive. Hopefully with driver updates and further development, intel can close that gap further. Nothing against AMD but one company running the show is never good for consumers
@@OwenOrsettiwon’t be intel maybe Nvdia but intel could only do 2 things a top x86 cpu with crazy power draw and server chips that’s it. The ultra chip gets best by amd last year chip
Yeah the mobile apu jumps have been huge . I think when rdna 4 comes out that’s going to be massive .
I think I'll wait until it's on sale due to not selling and buy it at a huge discount. I've learned from experience that Intel graphics drivers take a while to mature. Most corporations panic from lower sales and lower the prices fairly fast when products don't sell like they want. I'll buy later and enjoy better performance at lower price. Thanks for the lesson ETA PRIME!
Unfortunately, I’ll be getting the MSI. I hate asus with a passion. Between being a previous asus fan boy and using several asus laptops at work I’ve discovered nothing but issues and failed hardware. I’ve since switched to MSI products for all my personal use and have had nothing but great experiences. It’s really a shame but I just can’t get over my terrible experiences with asus as a brand.
I tried the Claw in one of MSI event lately, I do think the ergonomic design is better. I also just read through the driver and bios update get performance boost from some articles. I might consider to get one. Will see~
plus the fact u can turn the fluid frames on the ally is crazy been playing gta v at 1080p at almost 100fps
whats the maximum watts on the msi claw? If its higher than 30 watts you should test at that max tdp on the claw
The Ally crushes all these handhelds , if they didn't have that initial SD card issue there wouldn't be any question.
After owning the Ally since launch last year. I used my SD card reader for the first time a few days ago.
It died almost instantly.
Getting it ready for RMA.
My point however, is the SD card is unnecessary. I upgraded the SSD day one to 2tb, and haven't needed or used the drive until now.
It's only because I sold my Steam Deck, and wanted to transfer ROMs over.
Literally the only reason I won't buy one
The SD card issue is actually a plus.
Gonna send it back just before my warranty expires after 2 years. The store i bought it from usually gives you a brand new device in return.
@Trikkie87 warranty isn't handled by the store unless it's an authorized service center for Asus.
I just sent mine in, but I had option of taking it to MicroCentet
I can deff say that the RMA process wasn't too bad. Sent it to them and they repaired it (replacing the original motherboard), then sending it back, and I haven't had the issue so far.
seeing E cores now performs around zen2/Steam Deck level, why not park all P cores and some of the E cores while excluding LPE cores? I was hoping to see someone doing this since 16 physical cores really struggles in a thermal and power limited form factor like this.
exacly the video i was looking for! 😂
is this spec sheet after the update for the claw im reading it got a significant increase 🤔
OCD in me the Ally is on the left in the spec sheet then you move it to the right in benchmarks?
Im surprised the msi claw still won on battery life, i do wonder if the msi claw battery will fit in the rog ally given how similar the devices designs are
Linux benchmarks please! Thanks for the video 😊
There's a lengthy review by Phawx (IIRC) where he experimented with actually disabling E-cores ... it was an all out disaster for the Claw. I wonder what Intel did wrong here. But it seems that they cannot operate properly at lower power. Just watching the Afterburner readouts, the Claw does not clock the iGPU high enough while the Ally has no such issues while also running better CPU clocks.
After the initial review I thought disabling E-cores would give the iGPU more power but it looks like the P-cores eat that right up. Maybe disabling the boost mode and E-cores ? But at that point what is the advantage here ... Looks like Intel went with "bigger number better" on the core count here while missing the power envelope completely.
Indeed. Handheld makers should have learned from the Steam Deck which manages to get the best performance per watt of all of them even though its chip is manufactured on an inferior 6nm process. You don't need 24 cores in these handhelds, even 4-core can be enough.
Maybe 4p 6e 2lp cores would be a better config? That *might* lower the overall power draw, though these fewer cores could then clock a bit higher and would maybe even use the same amount of power. The Ally is pretty good in its power management, I've had a great time with mine
I would be interested in disabling the p cores and testing that
@@dreamcat04 I've wondered also why none of these handhelds use configurations slanted towards low-power cores. I mean, that's what phones do (Example iPhone uses 2p + 4e) so you'd figure the same would work here.
I still think it's more MSI's fault. Seeing 216 processes in Windows tells me they've did jack $#!t to debloat the Windows install. Also, I wouldn't put it beside them to have MSI Center being a power hog.
Not trying to be a Mr know it all because I don’t but in the title of this video did you purposely spell best or was it a typo error? And loving my legion go btw. lol. But i would like to see the claw vs go and o don’t think I’ve seen one yet. Not directly yet at least but maybe there is already and I just haven’t checked most recently. Anyways great vid. Thanks
for a look-alike it's not doing good
btw please make it consistent from benchmark to games, if ally on the right, then make always on the right
all im wondering is whether or not the claw can perform better than the ally after possible software optimizations. My assumption is no, but i would love to be wrong
What would I recommend the rog ally or the Msi claw?
Why does the Msi Claw not have a secure emulation test video?
Just FYI you have to add about 5 watts to the Claw. I mean it’s not much better but it uses less total system power.
Not that he understands any of that, or cares enough to be honest. He’s too busy being on his knees for these companies.
Yay daddy ETA 😂 I asked for this ❤
i'm sure there should be a way to create a product with more performance, slightly bigger, with a gpu included, but still smaller than a laptop, something like 11" or 12" using linux or steamos, battery will last longer. that's the key to improve this type of devices. maybe playstation or xbox will understand and explore that room for improvements.
the onexplayer looks great but they didn't took advantage of form factor by embedding a more powerful gpu in it.
i wonder if FSR 3.1 will improve these handhelds
Have the updates made thr MSI Claw any better? MY ROG allys joysticks broke replaced them with hall effect ones, my sd card reader never worked they wanted to charge 150 to fix it didnt feel it was worth paying that, it kept overheating put a new shell on the back kept temps under 81c. But after a windows update its stuck in a boot loop and everything i try to do to fix it it shuts itself off before i can do anything im out of warrenty im not trying to pay hundreds of dollars to get it fixe. I was thinking of just getting a new handheld i dont like the Legon Go's screen i dont like alot about the steam deck and from what im seeing online im liking the MSI claw. Ive always liked intel processors over AMD im only worried about that IGPU, i like how the MSI Claw has a bigger battery, more air flow, hall effect joysticks, a better USB port better wifi better bluetooth im only worried about that IGPU. So im just wondering if the updates have made it better
I heard there was an update from Intel that boosts performance for the claw?
so basically steam deck performance for rog ally z1 extreme price
Rog ally is cheaper now but yea at launch was expensive
with double the wattage required than the steam deck.....a fail in just about every way.
@@theh0lybible well both the rog ally and the msi claw can’t beat the steam deck that way but it’s not all about tdp wattage
@@Jonnyd05 the claw fails to beat the deck even with a lot more wattage. It is truly a bizarre product.
Even the steam deck outperform the claw...at lower tdp 😂
IDK man, I see the hope for it. The MSI claw runs things like Lies of P and Bannishers Ghosts of New Eden for me at 40-60 FPS low detials 1080P 40Ws (which is better then the Ally). However, on the other hand, it freezes everrytime I try to open something like Horizen Zero Dawn, or FF7 when I had an older driver installed. It's soo all over the place. It just needs some time, the Ally had issues too, maybe not this bad, but it had issues.
Tdp is no longer a good measure to compare power on handheld devices. Go watch the review of the MSI Claw from "The Phaux". It's really a masterclass of how Handheld device's power should be compared in the future (with total package power instead of TDP) . Your video is a good video nonetheless 👍 the Claw is just an awful device unfortunately...
You really just called ETA PRIME’S video “good”?
@@BahhBahhBrownSheep not taking sides or anything but why are you even here when you obviously don’t like the content? Just seems like there’s gotta be a better use of your time.
@@Harlod814He wants to be entertained?
ETA, why are the results here for Forza and Cyberpunk SO MUCH WORSE than your X1 First Look video with the same cpu??? Please reply if you can. I decided to keep my x
X1 preorder and I'm confused by these results on your videos....
That was sort of mentioned in some other reviewer where he thinks the reason the X1 might do better than the MSI is because of the extra ram
32GB or 64GB.
I am really hoping that is the case, though I doubt it would make that much difference.
Doesn't really seem fair to benchmark performance of the Claw set to 1440p while the Ally is set 1080p, does it?
Arc doesn’t seem that bad tbh as often it seems to be well under its max clock probably getting outbid for power budget by the greedy cpu. See the 135h vid for reference if you dont believe me. That apu shouldve been a simple quad core and 32gb ram.
Did you do the new Ultra Core driver update from Intel?
It's not a driver thing, it's a hardware flaw, Intel hot and power hungry, it's that simple AMD gives you more performance with less energy
For intel first launch arc handheld, it actually impress me. The gpu on par with rdna 2 on steamdeck. We can expect to improve in near future when they sort out the driver. Just sad that msi didn't offer competitive price point. At least 135h is better than z1. They should have stick with that low price mark (499) and may be the claw could have a standing ground like steamdeck despite lacking in performance.
i really like the feel of the Claw compared to the other handhelds, with future updates we'll for sure see a balance between the Claw and Ally
It's pretty clear that the Claw should have been performing much better than it currently is. I think it's a matter of drivers and optimization. I have the OneXplayer 1S, that has the i7 1195G7, with the Iris Xe 96EU, and it can achieve 36 fps in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, medium settings, 720p, TAA, at 20W (38 fps at 28W). No way the Ultra 7 155H, with Arc Graphics 128EU, can only achieve 2 fps more at 20W.
I'm still disappointed by the Claw's current performance. However, I'm still rooting for it for selfish reasons. I like the fact that it has a USB4 port compared to the propriety port on the ROG Ally. Just hoping both MSI and Intel will optimize the device further, fingers crossed it does not take them 6 months though.
There is the legion go though if you want to use a egpu
@@katieadams5860 thank you so much for mentioning this but I'm well aware of the Legion Go's USB4 port. I was ready to pull the trigger on the Go but decided to pause until the Claw's reviews finally dropped. I think I prefer the Claw's design over the Go, also the fan noise is much better on the Claw than on the Go from some other reviews I have seen here on YT, pity about its current performance though.
@@tebo2286 yeah, I personally am not optimistic it will get substantially better. Intel still doesn't have a good history with GPU drivers. Amd has way more experience than Intel. Even if performance gets better overtime it will still lose in power efficiency. Intel has done terrible in that department especially since alder lake
@@tebo2286I'm probably still going to get it too for the reasons of wanting an arc GPU in a handheld. Its rough now, but I know that Intel will push out drivers that will improve the overall performance and at least compete with its amd counterparts.
@@rometherevenant8749 I get you and fully agree that performance will improve over time. My biggest gripe is that I believe we the consumers are giving too much leeway to these device manufacturers and game studios to the point where it's now an industry standard and blueprint for them to initially drop sub-par products while expecting us consumers to bear with them until they get their mess in order. For $800 I personally expect a plug-n-play, well-optimized device from the get-go with occasional patches to enhance the quality-of-life of the device, not the roundabout practice by these manufacturers.
Kind of how I expected the results to be. Although I could not recommend to get the claw over the Ally I feel Intel could see the results between the two and as the next gen of chips come out they will look to close / beat AMD. Definitely be interesting to see if Nvidia enter this market too. If Microsoft get behind a gaming os I feel these devices could be a big fixture in gaming. I have got the 3080 for my Ally and it's a game changer when docked I do feel purring a deal on with these cards could be a big deal.
Just think of playing games at
I thought they would be more comparable than that, i guess even with arc, amd has the better igpu. I was considering the X1 but now i think ill look for an amd + oculink solution
Look - at the moment the Claw is bad but who knows what some updates will bring in the coming months.
What I'm mostly excited about is the future of handhelds in general.
The more big companies we have competing in this space, the better it is for us consumers! I can't wait to replace my gaming PC with a docked handheld. I could almost do it now with my Ally.
Seems like itel has a lot of driver optimization to sort out. Either way I stick with my OLED switch with double the battery life.
the ergonomic features ofo msi is actually really nice.
1:20 damn 20W? Can you imagine the time you can play indies and retros on 7-10W?
Please include the LENOVO Legion GO.
I am definitely sticking with the ROG Ally, so far I really like playing on the ROG Ally.
I can see this presuming that intel can sort drivers out being very similar performance to the ally not much in it one might beat the other in some games in the end but not much difference. Price you would say is quite high and the high wattage idle for no reason is a problem that can’t be fixed. But ideally in the end both are good devices but ally can’t be beaten on price per performance at this moment in time between these two
Theirs a huge difference 40% more.
@@landoftheyouth In some games but the gap will be improved look at arc a770 improvements have been made
I had high hopes for the MSI Claw. But it seems that the limiting factor is the hardware itself, rather than the software.
I think just the opposite
It's not the same benchmarks. In firesteuke it says battlefield 1440 in intel and 1080 in amd..so there not even the same resolution which makes a huuuge difference
Was about to comment the same
It’s a estimation of how a game would perform at different resolutions and settings based on the score it achieved, it literally has no effect on the benchmark…
This situation is like apple charges you more so you can buy a different color of this device
Waiting for ROG Ally 2. Claw is just DOA with that price. They should price it same to Steam Deck if they want to sell it.
i have rog ally. Happy with it but for the games i play, mostly gpu friendly jrpg i would of considered the MSI claw if the price was much 40% lower then rog
AMD optimizing their Video Encoding Acceleration especially on their iGPUs would be the final nail in the coffin for Intel. Unfortunately, software compatibility isn't that ripe yet compared to Intel Quicksync.
The question I want to find the answer to is "does the MSI destroy micro SD cards?" I'm considering getting it or the legion go (same apu as the ally without the SD card issue!)
I just picked up a legion go yesterday. So far first impressions it's not bad. It's definitely big and chunky but performance wise I've been impressed so far.
Thanks about the comparison, actually I try some of the handhelds. MSI claw performs pretty well in my case, the feeling and the experience are great. After updating the latest driver, it feels much smoother. MSI keeps their promise👍
"stop he is dead already"😂
Intel being Intel 😢 poor MSI got drag down on intel's short comings
How the synthetic BM doesn't represent the real world test
After a few months of owning the Rog Ally, I still think it's the best handheld PC on the market, while still recognizing that it has flaws. I actually don't use it as much for gaming as I thought I would. I use it more for browsing and other daily tasks, with some gaming on the side. I love the form factor, and it's perfect for bringing around the house. The battery life is its weakness, but it's still the best product on the market IMO. These handheld PC's are already great, and will only get better in later generations.
I love how you really try to be as objective as possible and compare apples to apples. That been said, why not compare with FSR/XeSS enabled? Those technologies are part of the iGPU's capabilities, so I feel the comparison should be between the full potential of full iGPUs.
Also, not sure if you also disabled it, but Adrenaline enables RSR in you chose HYPR-RX as default, which would give AMD and unfair advantage.
I would really consider the Claw if it have an OLED screen.
Before the video.
Me: ETAPrime, are you kidding me with that title, mate?
After the video.
Me: Yes. Yes, they were. 🤦🏻♂️
Why did you exclude the Lenovo legion go? The Roger ALLY has limitations the legion go does not in performance.
Well, if you look at the a770, it has 4096 shaders. Meanwhile, the 7800xt has 3840 RDNA 3 shaders (the z1 extreme also has RDNA 3) and has about 2x the performance of the a770. These intel soc's have 1024 shaders vs the z1's 764. Really no surprise here. RDNA 3 shaders are much more powerful than Arc shaders at this point.
SD Oled still king?
Can you compere emulator games
I might have missed it, but we're not allowed to disable cores? Who would have thought we'd need that many threads on a gaming-focused product?
It really seems like this is on MSI, not Intel. They probably wanted to get in on the handheld craze ASAP and this was the cheapest and most available chipset they could get. TSMC can't just make more Z1 Extremes on a dime.
I’ll take the legion go.
As soon as AFMF arrives the gap will be even bigger
microsoft should create a light version of windows 11 especially for that use.
I really want to get the MSI Claw, even though every video says otherwise. And the only reason I want it is because of the thunderbolt port and the battery. Alas, performance is not holding up. Likely will get the ally though. I just hate to use their proprietary connector with an egpu
What the point of bigger battery, if ally in 20w is better than claw in 30w?
@@Osinnii_Liswell generally speaking, a bigger battery nets longer play time. And if the claw is updated to allow for better performance, it could be better than the ally overall. Just isn’t the case right now, and may never be the case. And more so, I’d rather use the thunderbolt 4 connector on the MSI because I can get any egpu on the market when I’m at home. With the ally, I have to get their proprietary egpu.
@@tacosmcnooge in this use case with egpu - yeap, Claw should be better choice for you
@@Osinnii_Lis yeah, but really the purpose is for mobile play
I decided to go with the Ally because the Claw was performing poorly. Watched some other RUclipsrs and the claw kept crashing on games that the Ally which is older worked on. Maybe later when they get the kinks fixed.
As expected, Intel drivers just cannot compete with AMD. That was always looking like the real outlier, given that the Ally has been out a while, the performance differences look to speak for themselves. I don't think the Ally ever performed that badly and I've had it since launch.
If the claw can’t beat the steam deck then it’s clearly not gonna beat the ally, and ally 2 is out in a few months
is there a new chip or something??
@@inovadeprobably revision or small upgrade from AMD APU
@@qwerty6789x that's not much then
Bestbuy currently has the Z1X ally for 200 less than the 155h MSI Claw too. lmao
Little silly here, I would really like to see and msi claw at 35 watts... I don't really care at what to watch especially cuz the claw has a bigger battery I think the correct way to do this comparison would be runtime to run time so whatever it ran for 2 hours on each unit test it that way.. tho I would rather see Max in each device.. battery life to battery life it's kind of silly to me it's not that hard to carry a little battery brick for long trips..
at this point, MSI should reconsider relaunch another version of Claw with AMD Chipset ☠
RIP ARC
Performance will probably improve with future updates and things like that, but right out of the box using double the wattage and STILL not outperforming the deck on some games just makes it kind of embarrassing. It’s a shame. The ally and the deck are still king.
think I saw a 1440 vs 1080p benchmark in there by mistake
Time?
@@andrescarrasco1248 about 3:50
If we can swap the sticks of the claw into the rog ally and also the battery.... Then the ally is insane
Hello, what's wrong with the stick of the ROG ally, I have one and it's my first console ever, never held a PS Pad before so I don't know the difference
i want the ally hardware and software, but with an 8" screen
This! Or even a 7.4 inch screen like the steam deck oled would suffice.
AMD did well with those processors, also although flawed asus got the format right for the Ally, who knows if they do the smart thing and support it while they improve their software layer the but the silver line here are the temps, just 10 degrees cooler will go a very long way for this format
As an owner of both variants of the Ally I can honestly say the normal Z1 will probably outperform the high end MSI Claw once debloated and setup correctly. Mine runs very well after tweaking/debloating it. Quite impressive actually.
There are already benchmarks on YT where that is the case...
Not surprised lol. Everyone hates on the regular Z1 when it can actually be quite a capable machine.
It doesn’t have to be the best, just competent enough as a handheld device and this is it.
For the price though? Even if it was a way better device I would stick with the Deck. Unless that thing can run VR games I would not pay that much for a handheld.
Why oh why didn't you test 40w mode on msi claw, i like your videos but this test is highly irelevant if you do not compare max to max wattage from both it's useless :(
This video looks like the Simpsons - Stop, stop, he's already dead.
Whew!😅 guess I don’t need a MSI Claw than, I’m sticking with my ROG Ally 👍
I am sure this bloodbath surprised no one. 😐
AMD just smashing it.