Thanks for breaking all this down, been wanting to do a save in Franchise Hockey Manager 9 in the juniors but had no idea what was going on for the most part, this really cleared that up!
This is a great video, thank you. I’ve been trying to learn more about subject. I wonder if you can share other resources that I can peruse. Thx again.
Great video! So much has changed since I played (roughly 15 years ago). What seems to be the most confusing, and I'm hoping you can do a video that clarifies it, are these leagues/teams just before Juniors in the United States. I am seeing schools I used to play against (in New England) become "development programs" that play against organizations that have Youth hockey affiliations with.
Thanks Nicholas! A lot has changed even since I played 6 years ago! I believe what you are referring to is the travel teams of youth organizations who also have a Junior hockey program post U18. An easy example is the South Shore Kings. This organization out of Foxboro has an entire youth association called the South Shore Kings, I believe these teams play regular travel hockey but also have teams at the AAA level (most elite travel). On top of their youth teams, they also have 2 junior hockey teams (NCDC, and USPHL)! These teams are slightly affiliated with the youth organization, but they really use the same name as a marketing tool to get youth hockey players to want to play for the actual South Shore junior team some day. The junior teams are very involved with the youth teams and volunteer quite often to promote the sport in the area. Just because you play in the youth organization this does not mean you will someday play on either junior South Shore team, it might help but not a for sure! (www.southshorekings.com/page/show/4928499-youth) This model is actually what they do in a lot of European countries, including the two power house countries, Sweden and Finland! It is a cool model to promote the sport within an area and keep kids playing in their hometowns for a long time. Hope this answers your question, I will try to make a video on this!
Ah! I see! Gee - I remember when the Kings were part of the EJHL from way back when. Times have changed! The scenario I was thinking of was basically Mount St Charles - a prestigious RI high school hockey organization - now becoming a "somewhat" SSM, no longer playing other RI high school teams and playing junior teams such as Mid Fairfield Rangers (a youth organization I was once part of decades ago) and Chicago Mission, etc.
@@nicholashorvath7087 mt st charles does have a highschool team that plays other ri high schools but they also have u14,u15,u16, and u18 teams that are ranked top 10 nationally every year
Great video. Can you comment on why there is so much fighting in junior hockey compared with college and youth hockey? Or, is my perception incorrect on this? Thanks.
You are correct on this! The biggest reason for all of the fighting in juniors is because it is legal, where in college and youth it is illegal. So in college and youth hockey players will not only be ejected but also suspended for true fist fighting. In juniors, many leagues allow “dropping the gloves” and so players will get a 5 minute penalty, an ejection, but no suspension. Every league is different but it is just because of rules. Some leagues are very strict so there is a lot less fighting in those leagues, and some are pretty loose.
I love live games so I basically follow the Junior A. I live near two MHL (Maritime Hockey League, Junior A). I am lucky some years the Pictou County Weeks Crushers and the Truro Bearcars play opposite weeks so I can go see high caliber good hockey on a regular basis. I think you missed the Maritimes. It’s a busy market but in comparison it is small. Between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and PEI. I was luck to catch some of the World Tournament a few years back. It was awesome. Team USA were so good. There were over 120 scouts there that week the scouts took up a whole banquet room and a fitness studio. Shout out to #31 Justin Bourque of the Valley Wildcats. He had some unbelievable games in the first round of the playoffs. (2022-23 Season) Let’s go Bearcats!
Very cool, thanks for sharing! I definitely missed the MHL. Just at a quick glance it looks like a good chunk of those players play college hockey in Canada. Is that correct?
This year there are a few going to division 1 NCAA. Maverick Goyer just won a national title with Hobart College in the USA. Check out the Yarmouth Mariners. For a small town they have one heck of a program. They are currently in the top 10 of the nation. Sidney Crosby had a administrative stint there. I don’t believe he ever played a game in the league. Zach Sills was also listed as a Truro Bearcat. I know a few of the MHL players headed to play pro in Europe. I am pretty sure the MHL changed its name to avoid confusion with the Manitoba Junior A Hockey League.
There is no exact comparison but Jr. A in Canada is mostly comparable to tier 2 in the US. Some of the leagues are actually more comparable to tier 3. The BCHL is the best junior A league in Canada and produce a lot of NCAA D1 players but not at the rate the USHL does, more like the NAHL does (tier 2). On top of player placement, the BCHL can charge players fees to play or to pay for billets. This does not exist in Tier 1, the USHL is completely free to play and billet. That is the reasoning for placing junior A in tier 2. But I know it is not exactly the same thing and Canada has many different rules than US leagues as well.
@@outsidetheboards NCAA div 1 placements are not the only way to measure the success of a Júnior hockey league in Canada. Many of the players in Canadian Junior A have come down from Major Junior and have lost NCAA eligibility so it is not an avenue they pursue. A majority of Canadian Júnior hockey player have zero aspiration of playing in the NCAA. Also, Players can be traded between any Jr. A team in any league in Canada. All Canadian Júnior A leagues that you mentioned are actually part of the same greater league... the CJHL, and they compete for a national championship.
@@michaelkeenan6886 I think you bring up a great point! That is not covered in this video. I think if I were to go back and do this one again I would change some things. The Canadian junior leagues are a lot more in depth than what is in this video. Curious on your thoughts about the two questions you bring up. How would you measure success for a Junior A league in Canada besides NCAA placement? Also, what do you think the majority of players' goals are when playing Canadian Junior A?
@@michaelkeenan6886 Thanks for that Mike. After seeing the Scouts show up at the world Junior A in Truro Nova Scotia. I got to understand a tiny bit of the business. Scouts go where the pool is the deepest. In bigger programs the best play the best. Scouts are looking for the cream on the top. Watching Major Junior and then watching Junior A you can see the difference in polished play. But there is also a huge difference in budgets in training and skill building. I love live games and I live near two Junior A teams. In the national picture only two teams in the whole league made the top 20 with their stats. Eastern Canada is a smaller market than say Ontario or any of the other leagues. Just like the State of Maine is not the same as California. But I love being entertained with no script. So live hockey is 1000 times better than TV for me.
Major junior is tier 1 in Canada and players can't be recruited to us college hockey because they consider it as semi-pro, Jr a is tier 2, and a lot of times, players that went and played Major Junior when they were 15 or 16 can go down and play Jr a for a year and regain their college eligibility. Tier 3 or Jr B is basically Midget hockey and is sometimes called Jungle B.
The EHL is a tier 3 league in the U.S. It is a very solid league, the majority of the players that move on from that league go to NCAA D3 schools. That is actually where I played my first year of Juniors!
Great video Jacob, curious if you could touch on why Celebrini ended up playing for the Chicago Steel instead of playing in the WHL? I'd imagine part of it was because he was going to go to BU, but with such a talent, I'm surprised he wouldn't go straight from Major Junior to the bigs. Perhaps his parents really wanted him to get an education?
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Thanks for breaking all this down, been wanting to do a save in Franchise Hockey Manager 9 in the juniors but had no idea what was going on for the most part, this really cleared that up!
Excellent information. Well done. Thank you.
Thank you!
This is a great video, thank you. I’ve been trying to learn more about subject. I wonder if you can share other resources that I can peruse. Thx again.
Shout out to Portland Winterhawks!
Thanks for this overview.
Great video! So much has changed since I played (roughly 15 years ago). What seems to be the most confusing, and I'm hoping you can do a video that clarifies it, are these leagues/teams just before Juniors in the United States. I am seeing schools I used to play against (in New England) become "development programs" that play against organizations that have Youth hockey affiliations with.
Thanks Nicholas! A lot has changed even since I played 6 years ago! I believe what you are referring to is the travel teams of youth organizations who also have a Junior hockey program post U18. An easy example is the South Shore Kings. This organization out of Foxboro has an entire youth association called the South Shore Kings, I believe these teams play regular travel hockey but also have teams at the AAA level (most elite travel). On top of their youth teams, they also have 2 junior hockey teams (NCDC, and USPHL)! These teams are slightly affiliated with the youth organization, but they really use the same name as a marketing tool to get youth hockey players to want to play for the actual South Shore junior team some day. The junior teams are very involved with the youth teams and volunteer quite often to promote the sport in the area. Just because you play in the youth organization this does not mean you will someday play on either junior South Shore team, it might help but not a for sure! (www.southshorekings.com/page/show/4928499-youth)
This model is actually what they do in a lot of European countries, including the two power house countries, Sweden and Finland! It is a cool model to promote the sport within an area and keep kids playing in their hometowns for a long time. Hope this answers your question, I will try to make a video on this!
Ah! I see! Gee - I remember when the Kings were part of the EJHL from way back when. Times have changed! The scenario I was thinking of was basically Mount St Charles - a prestigious RI high school hockey organization - now becoming a "somewhat" SSM, no longer playing other RI high school teams and playing junior teams such as Mid Fairfield Rangers (a youth organization I was once part of decades ago) and Chicago Mission, etc.
@@nicholashorvath7087 mt st charles does have a highschool team that plays other ri high schools but they also have u14,u15,u16, and u18 teams that are ranked top 10 nationally every year
Great video. Can you comment on why there is so much fighting in junior hockey compared with college and youth hockey? Or, is my perception incorrect on this? Thanks.
You are correct on this! The biggest reason for all of the fighting in juniors is because it is legal, where in college and youth it is illegal. So in college and youth hockey players will not only be ejected but also suspended for true fist fighting. In juniors, many leagues allow “dropping the gloves” and so players will get a 5 minute penalty, an ejection, but no suspension. Every league is different but it is just because of rules. Some leagues are very strict so there is a lot less fighting in those leagues, and some are pretty loose.
I love live games so I basically follow the Junior A. I live near two MHL (Maritime Hockey League, Junior A). I am lucky some years the Pictou County Weeks Crushers and the Truro Bearcars play opposite weeks so I can go see high caliber good hockey on a regular basis.
I think you missed the Maritimes. It’s a busy market but in comparison it is small. Between Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and PEI. I was luck to catch some of the World Tournament a few years back. It was awesome. Team USA were so good. There were over 120 scouts there that week the scouts took up a whole banquet room and a fitness studio.
Shout out to #31 Justin Bourque of the Valley Wildcats. He had some unbelievable games in the first round of the playoffs. (2022-23 Season)
Let’s go Bearcats!
Very cool, thanks for sharing! I definitely missed the MHL. Just at a quick glance it looks like a good chunk of those players play college hockey in Canada. Is that correct?
This year there are a few going to division 1 NCAA. Maverick Goyer just won a national title with Hobart College in the USA.
Check out the Yarmouth Mariners. For a small town they have one heck of a program. They are currently in the top 10 of the nation.
Sidney Crosby had a administrative stint there. I don’t believe he ever played a game in the league. Zach Sills was also listed as a Truro Bearcat. I know a few of the MHL players headed to play pro in Europe.
I am pretty sure the MHL changed its name to avoid confusion with the Manitoba Junior A Hockey League.
Why did you put Canadien JR.A in tier 2? I think its considered Tier 1 and JR.B is Tier 2 and JR.C is Tier 3 and there even use to be JR.D
There is no exact comparison but Jr. A in Canada is mostly comparable to tier 2 in the US. Some of the leagues are actually more comparable to tier 3. The BCHL is the best junior A league in Canada and produce a lot of NCAA D1 players but not at the rate the USHL does, more like the NAHL does (tier 2). On top of player placement, the BCHL can charge players fees to play or to pay for billets. This does not exist in Tier 1, the USHL is completely free to play and billet. That is the reasoning for placing junior A in tier 2. But I know it is not exactly the same thing and Canada has many different rules than US leagues as well.
@@outsidetheboards NCAA div 1 placements are not the only way to measure the success of a Júnior hockey league in Canada. Many of the players in Canadian Junior A have come down from Major Junior and have lost NCAA eligibility so it is not an avenue they pursue. A majority of Canadian Júnior hockey player have zero aspiration of playing in the NCAA.
Also, Players can be traded between any Jr. A team in any league in Canada. All Canadian Júnior A leagues that you mentioned are actually part of the same greater league... the CJHL, and they compete for a national championship.
@@michaelkeenan6886 I think you bring up a great point! That is not covered in this video. I think if I were to go back and do this one again I would change some things. The Canadian junior leagues are a lot more in depth than what is in this video.
Curious on your thoughts about the two questions you bring up.
How would you measure success for a Junior A league in Canada besides NCAA placement? Also, what do you think the majority of players' goals are when playing Canadian Junior A?
@@michaelkeenan6886 Thanks for that Mike.
After seeing the Scouts show up at the world Junior A in Truro Nova Scotia. I got to understand a tiny bit of the business. Scouts go where the pool is the deepest. In bigger programs the best play the best. Scouts are looking for the cream on the top.
Watching Major Junior and then watching Junior A you can see the difference in polished play. But there is also a huge difference in budgets in training and skill building.
I love live games and I live near two Junior A teams. In the national picture only two teams in the whole league made the top 20 with their stats.
Eastern Canada is a smaller market than say Ontario or any of the other leagues. Just like the State of Maine is not the same as California.
But I love being entertained with no script. So live hockey is 1000 times better than TV for me.
Major junior is tier 1 in Canada and players can't be recruited to us college hockey because they consider it as semi-pro, Jr a is tier 2, and a lot of times, players that went and played Major Junior when they were 15 or 16 can go down and play Jr a for a year and regain their college eligibility. Tier 3 or Jr B is basically Midget hockey and is sometimes called Jungle B.
What about the ehl?
The EHL is a tier 3 league in the U.S. It is a very solid league, the majority of the players that move on from that league go to NCAA D3 schools. That is actually where I played my first year of Juniors!
Great video Jacob, curious if you could touch on why Celebrini ended up playing for the Chicago Steel instead of playing in the WHL? I'd imagine part of it was because he was going to go to BU, but with such a talent, I'm surprised he wouldn't go straight from Major Junior to the bigs. Perhaps his parents really wanted him to get an education?