My brother clowns on me cause I want a 400 for my first bike he said just go for 1000, like nah bruh I kinda wanna be around to see my son become an adult lol.
The new 400rr is a fast as 600cc sport bikes used to be.. The 400rr is still super fast for a new rider. Honestly I suggest getting a street legal Enduro bike for your first bike . Almost everyone drops their first bike multiple times and you can practice in a field with it also. Also, when you drop it, it won't damage it near as much and a set of plastics you can get for 150 bucks. I suggest taking the new plastics off right away and install cheap aftermarket plastics and then you can change it back to the new ones , sell it and then go get a 400.
Wish i had seen this video before I bought a CBR 1000rr as my first bike. You're probably wondering if I totaled it shortly after it was broken in, the answer is yes I did.
People don’t realize that going 5 mph and still being able to maneuver is the hardest part of motorcycle riding. Get a Vespa and learn how to stop first
Riding around on a scooter probably taught me more useful stuff than anything else when it comes to riding. Especially when it comes to low speed stuff and awareness in slow moving traffic.
@@januszgajusz1905good to know. I’ve been wanting to get into riding for a while now. I think I’ll rock something under 50cc so I don’t need to worry about a license for it right now and can grasp those low speed fundamentals
@@FloreFaune I’d say a 50cc would actually be too small for an adult as it would struggle to pull you up hills etc. I think a 125 is perfect even just to ride around for a few days to get used to being on two wheels without having to worry about being in the wrong gear or stalling. I honestly find it more fun at times to push a small bike to its limits rather than baby a big bike with 180hp.
Bruh. Where tf are all these clowns coming from pretending you can't slow ride a liter bike...yall obviously have never ridden one before. Take that big lever on the left handlebar, pull it, put it in 1st, let go of said lever and do nothing else. There you go, perfectly idling on balance at 5mph, arguably better balance than a mountain bike, and definitely better than any vespa. My 06' fz1 was the first bike I could physically balance at a standstill. Not cuz "I'm that good", just cuz it really just is "that easy" with a proper balanced bike. I physically can't do it with my MX, and near impossible with a scooter since you have practically zero front rake angle. And on a vespa its even worse due to the single front stay and that stupid inverted little swingarm on the front. No sir, you have no fkn clue what you are talking about. Learning on a vespa is in my opinion the worst thing you can do if your aspirations are for a 1L bike eventually...if that's not your goal, why tf you commenting on this video mate? Just to let everyone know you're not a superbike kind of dude? I tried looking for the comment asking for your opinion, haven't found it yet.
My friend died on a 1000 in October. He had a 650 for a few months and switched to a cbr1000rr. He died shortly after. He was a natural athlete/rider. The problem with these superbikes, they can make you feel way more comfortable and in control than you actually are. It can and will be lethal or permanently life changing if you make a mistake. I wont say dont buy one as your first bike, some people truly are capable and mature enough, but all it takes is one impulsive move and its over for you and life is forver changed for your loved ones. A saying I heard when I was a teenager holds a lot of weight... When you start riding, you have two sacks, one is empty and one is full, the empty one is experience, and the full one is luck. If you dont fill your experience sack before you empty your luck sack, you won't make it home. If you start on a liter bike, you are starting with two empty sacks. Ride safe and think of your family/friends when you make your decision.
Thoughts for your friend. But I wouldn't call it two empty sacks, I argue that beginner riders ride with 3 sacks, the third being the one between their legs, and beginner riders think that substitutes the "experience" sack.
S1000 double R was my first. No crashes, tickets, or losses racing. It’s the maturity level of the rider that dictates the amount of discipline and respect you give the bike and yourself. There are plenty of electronics on modern bikes to make it safer to ride and tone down the performance, but it still comes down to the nut between your ears, not your legs. Learn, grow, then unleash the beast.
i disagree, you may be more talented but not everyone have good grip of control. i remember my first 3 months on my MT-03 i have few almost accident but lucky my bike wasn't fast enough. there were one time i try to practice turning in parking lot but i accidentally put throttle while try to use the brake and almost crash into the car infront of me, a good thing my bike's acceleration wasn't that fast so i have time to react to stop (about less than like 10cm to hit something). and also turning corner, the control is new to me too and when i first start riding i also have issue to coordinate between using clutch and brake and throttle. as i never drove a manual before so the whole concept is new. my point is for new beginner, those small precise control if do anything slightly wrong you may accidentally speed into the road and crash. i have biked for 2 years now and I now ride a 950cc (Streetfighter v2). but i can't imagine how my early beginning mistake will cost me if i have my SFv2 right at the start instead of having small bike like MT-03. i learned a lot from riding a small bike which i also recommand all beginner should as well
If you use throttle instead of brakes you should not be on any bike peroid. Not trying to be an ass but not handling that, and the basics of shifting you are a danger on the road. How you got a license is beyond me. Thats why in the EU you need to take lessons, and then with time and practice youll master the basics and you get your license so you wont kill anyone. About an hour, 25 to 40 lessons is the average. Then you need to pass the written test, and the practial test. Also under 27 you cant buy a high horse power bike. Wich also forces a more mature on high power bikes. The law is pretty helpfull sometimes. Lowers deaths on bikes compared to other counties/continents. Stats dont lie. Also just like with cars, driving a manual gives you much more control and skill. Shifting learns you alot. Multi tasking is one of them. Pressing gas and brakes only is very easy, and makes most people to confident to speed a corner etc. Be safe out there, and take your time. Set ego aside and enjoy the twisties.
@indospartan yes I know but as beginner those precise control is something need lot of practice. It is not I plan to use throttle but when I squeeze the brake I accidentally pushed the trotter too (both on right hand). I dont have that issue anymore. But my point is I don't think encouraging beginner for high power bike is good idea. As the higher the output the less margin of error. And anyone inexperienced may cause accidents.
remember folks always go slow. you need a lot of experience riding in residential areas and suburban roads as well as parking lots before you hit the road. and that would also work well when you start riding the streets on low traffic and no rush hour.
Absolutely. I had a dirtbike 125cc when i was 14-16. Got my first road bike a 1979 cx500 honda lmao at age 31, but after a week or two refreshing myself i can ride it like a pro. Rain or shine, no traction and terrible brakes etc. no matter what happens i know how to regain control of the bike. Anyone can ride a bike that still in control. It takes a real rider to save their skin when its out of control, or when a car pulls out in front of you. You need to be able to brake hard and fast and not lock up, chances are you will. And a good rider can recover from that and regain stability. Too many street riders have no idea how a bike handles ones those sticky rubbers DO break free. Riding dirt gives you those skills. This is the absolute best advice i could give a new rider, along with check your ego and dont go fast until you can stop even faster and turn hard at a quick notice. Too many riders turn towards their turn instead of doing a brief countersteer to get the bike leaning and it causes them to overshoot the turn. See it dozens of times
@@spencerkleiman5035 that’s 100% correct. I’ve also noticed since I e been spending alot of time on my FZ1 that I’ve gotten faster in my dirtbike. It’s incredible how much you gain riding different bikes. Have a KLR650 for BDR and adventuring, FZ1 for touring and a daily, and a klx400 for the dirt and let me tell ya, they’re a match made in heaven.
That is easy to say ridden 40.plus yrs and give me 200hp I am going to use it every guy will so learn the skills on 40hp bike before you get 200hp bike. Learn to walk before trying to run. I started at 6 on yamaha 60 progressed up over 15 yrs before getting 600 ninja. Have ridden liter bikes but for street more bike than anyone e needs. I can do 165 on zx6 you really need that extra 80 hp and 30 miles an hour? No
Doesnt sound like youve done much riding... Your wrist has nothing to do with grabbing to much brake and lowsiding or releasing the clutch to fast on a downshift and locking the rear. It's so much more than throttle input thats keeping you on the bike. There's a thousand ways to hurt yourself on a bike just by not have your fine motorskills trained to operate a motorcycle and the higher the CC the more sensitive every Control is making it way easier to to turn yourself into a statistic on a big bike than a little bike.
Mehh, we all said that, none of us ever did, let's be honest. Respect the bike, and understand how eager it is to put you into a wall at 100+mph. I find most people crashing either A: didn't respect the bike B: didn't trust the brakes C: didn't commit when turning in Dropping it in a parking lot will happen on a thou or a 300 if it's your first bike. My only advice is never finance your first bike, period.
My first bike was a 200cc dirt bike, then a 250 two stroke, then a 450 4 stroke. My first street bike was a 2005 cbr 1000rr, 1 big key thing is I weigh over 250, the bike is still fast but not wild like a 150lbs man feels. 2nd bike was a victory highball, now I ride a 1098 Ducati street fighter, cheers guys.
My first bike ever was a 2006 CBR 1000RR I learned how to ride on it took a few MSF courses on It, learned how to wheelie on it, ran from the cops on it, then eventually crashed it bought another one and that one got stolen by the police And so I bought another one, best bike ever to this day!
Hell yeah brother. My first street bike: 06' fz1 After buying it I instantly gave up on my sleeper maxima build. This thing is way faster than I ever imagined the car's build could be. Smiles per gallon every time I get on.
@@meusana3681 dude I had an 87 maxima I wanted to turn into a sleeper! It had the 3.0. I was going to swap it with a supercharged 3.6 xterra engine but could never find a wrecked one with engine and drive train 😂
Totally true. I was the typical idiot and started on the last gen busa lmfao. Now that I’ve lost skin and gained some experience, im saving for a zx6r.
-_- an even more extreme platform minus the warpdrive. If you low sided a busa, you're gonna do it with a zx6. That's a you problem, not a busa problem.
@@meusana3681 the hell does that got to do with me wanting a lighter bike lol. Obviously it was might fault I low sided it. anybody comfortable enough riding like I used to ride is gonna do the same damn thing. Point is, You live, you learn, you ride another day. And I learned I don’t like cornering fat bikes. Like it cool, don’t like it cool. Still ride a cbr600 but I’m gonna get a zx6r
My first bike was a 2006 zx10r. I probably shouldn’t have got it but I liked how it looked. I taught myself how to ride before taking the msf course and I’ve never had any problems riding
I agree with this. Not to mention the amount of times riding on the street where you can actually use it. My bike is WAY too fast for the road but serious fun on the track.
Hadn't ridden in 30 years, bought a C-14. Saw a ZX14R, bought it. Taking my time, not pushing it at all. After riding the C-14, the ZX14R handles differently, but feels much lighter to the touch. Love to ride them both.
I started on a ninja 400, and now ride a zx6r, and even the 636 is insanely powerful, theres no reason to start on a liter bike you are exactly right! Im so glad i started on the 400
Just go ride a liter bike pls. You're embarrassing yourself right now. They are SOOO much more docile than any zx6r of any year model. Don't get me wrong, fk around and you'll find out. But street riding is infinitely safer with a thou if you are mature enough in my opinion. It's realy only like mid 2000 GSXR 1000s that edge into the 600's realm of extreme ergo. I'll be more comfortable arguing the exact opposite as you just did...For a beginner and an advanced rider the skill gap is much smaller on a thou than on a 400. You can go to a track as a complete newbie and have your world shaken by a thou, and would need 10+ years experience to have the same feeling on a 400 on track. There's no reason to go full throttle on a thou on the streets, this much I'll grant you, but in the same breath I guarantee you way more thou's are riding around partial throttle than 600s.
I got a 1000 and found out there was no reason to get one. 70mph in first gear is pointless if you like shifting and my childhood wasn't bad enough to want to go 160 on the highway.
@@Charles-ij1ow XD BS. Again someone who read about 600s and how you need to rev them to the moon, thinks 1000s are like 600s just bigger, so its the same cat with bigger claws. You couldn't be more wrong sir, and you couldn't have made a worse comment to show you don't really know what you're talking about. Imagine shifting at 4k instead of 15k and still getting the same torque...that's exactly why 1000s are better for street. If you can't manage to shift before you see a red line, that says more about you than the bike.
I was about to get a used zx10r as first real bike but as I did my research and really thought about it I realized I always liked driving slow light cars fast bcs I can manipulate it easier and is more nimble and at one point canyon runs were all I did. So I instead got a new ninja 400 and after riding that for a hot minute I really think I wouldnt of been alive today if I would’ve of gotten the liter bike, so I always recommend 400 as first bike. It’s still faster than lot of cars on road and you can really learn how to ride fast
Start with dirt bikes and you should be ok. My first street bike was a liter bike and adaptation after years of off-road made it much more comprehensive.
Great advice.. even better get a dirt bike.. everything transfers over to the street from dirt .. make all your mistakes in the dirt it's a lot easier trust me...
I'm so glad I got a MT-03 as my first bike. The idea of riding a liter bike where if you whiskey throttle, you might end up doing a backflip scares the shit out of me. I like riding something small and low stakes.
My first motorcycle was a stock Hayabusa 1300cc. I wasnt in the right state of mind, and two full days of riding experience I plunged into the unknown without a care in the world. I have a daughter. Not even two weeks in I participated in a group ride of at least 50 riders. I was the 5th to go down that day at 120 on a one way. I was so close to smacking into another rider that i took some clothing off from his trousers, and oncoming SUV that nearly hit me a foot away while i was essentially lane splitting. As a new rider I panicked, and hit both brakes hard making the busa lock up, and threw me off. I rolled about 20 times, and got some light road rashes, but i was able to get up, and live another day...
My first bike was an r1 never had a problem and yes I went fast. I did do my homework and didn’t just go balls to the wall with the bike but I’d say having friends with experience and maturity helped a lot. Mine was 17 and what my friends did for me was dumb down the bike and let me ride it like that. Until I felt I was ready to handle more. So keep that in mind.
For 40 years whenever anyone asked me, "What do I recommend for a first bike" I ALWAYS gave the same answer... start with a dirt bike and learn how to panic brake, slide, and save a bad situation before you get a street bike! It's going to save your life the first time someone pulls out in front of you right after they look directly at you! I have been riding motorcycles since 1970. I've owned several Superbikes, and I used to work at a dealership! This advice can save a new riders life!
After hearing this same message 20 times. It finally makes sense. The way this guy explains it actually shines light on the logic. If you have your first experience on a motorcycle that is too heavy and powerful and unmanageable/maneuverable then all you know is how to sit up straight, ride in low gear generally to take super caution. You gotta get all the skills down on a platform thats conducive to learning and comfort. Can it be done on a heavier, more powerful bike? Sure but why force it
LEARN ON THE DIRT FIRST!!! an buy a smaller 4 stroke to start. A liter bike for a beginner is like handing the keys to a Lamborghini to kid that has never drove anything...DEATHWISH!!!! YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT BRO!!! SCHOOL THE SQUIDS!!!!🤣🤣🤣
It's great advice. I'll also add that if you're just starting out, you shouldn't be riding in a stressed position. Basically means that being on a sport bike is uncomfortable, you can't truly relax and it hinders your ability to observe the world around you. Sitting up comfortably relatively straight on a motorcycle is an advantage. Then once you have experience seeing how traffic/people behave on the road unhindered, get that litre bike or whatever you desire next.
My first bike was actually 2008 R1, now it's been 9 years and I'm still riding it. Had some small slides, but gear kept me injury-free. No big crashes. My reasoning back then was that liter bike engines last significantly longer than even of 600cc, and yes it still runs as good as new, apart from replacing some minor parts like clutch discs. Usually riding 8k-11k RPM, in city, track, everywhere. So it depends (on person). Also, starting on underpowered small bikes may give you bad throttle habits so you'll run into issues if you upgrade later.
In theory buy a liter bike and save money. Realistically you’re more than likely going to crash and when you do it’s gonna be a lot worst when turning the throttle 50% gets you over 100 mph in a few seconds
I bought a 2007 GSXR 600 as my first bike. Was SO fast, especially after I changed the sproket/pinion gearing, to make it accelerate like a 2-stroke. Second bike was a 2007 R1. Liter bike that old is like riding a tank. Next (and current) bike was a 2015 BMW S1000RR. This thing feels lighter/more nimble than my 600. If I'm a 5/10 on my GSXR, I'm 8/10 on BMW. Makes me feel like a pro!
My first bike was a Kawasaki 900 and it was amazing and light. A lot of newer bikes have modes to lower power. Have you ever tried selling a 400 or lower CC? They lose their value so fast.
I love my honda rebel 500 as my first bike, on the msf class we learned how to ride on a HD Street 500 and it made me want to learn on a small bike as i wanted to master quick slow speed maneuvers, figure of 8s and u-turns. I’m also riding the hell out of it trying to be proficient on clutch less quick gear shifting and i would never regret starting on a smaller bike, i haven’t dropped it yet but i installed crash bars just in case. I’m glad i’m learning on the smaller bike and may just keep it when i buy a bigger one as one of my buddies might want to learn too.
I bought a cbr600rr and loved it until two months later when my buddy bought an R1 and completely regretted ever even seeing that uncomfortable Honda. In Hondas defense tho, it was an awesome bike, but it was not built to be comfortable and take on long rides, hell I never even got it to half the redline of 13 grand, it’s a race bike and well I hated it. The R1 felt like it had been built just for me.
how is the R1 more comfortable than the Cbr600rr? the r1 has a stiff chair, a more aggressive attack position coupled with it being longer and lower handle bar position???!!… I own a zx10r and an R1 both new versions and I say this with all honesty…
I started at 33 years old with a 200CC Chinese bike, then purchased a 2019 Kawasaki W800, followed by a 2023 KLR650. I just purchased an R1250RS last weekend and I am in love. I’m absolutely in agreement with you that you should never buy a liter bike for your first motorcycle.
The average person should probably heed this advice. I grew up on motor cross, then stopped riding around age 14. 20 years later wifey got her riding license and got a Gixxer 750. I decided to get my license and I got an R1. 10 years later I’m on an S1000RR and she’s still rocking the 750. We have been riding medium-hard for over 10 years. Never laid down a bike, thankfully. But both of us were also car people and have pretty good driving skills driving fast cars. Neither one of us has ever had a car accident either. If you have that mechanic intuition, it doesn’t matter what you start on. If you have a tendency to fall off a bicycle, you should probably start small, but it will eventually come to bite you at some point down the road.
My first bike is was a liter at 16. I liked the weight underneath my legs and the stability in high speeds. Then I went to a xlv varadero as a second bike, again it felt sturdy and safe although tall. When I moved in denmark i tried an r6 and it felt like a feather in the wind. Yes nimble, fast at 0-60 but totally felt unsafe with it's maneuverability. That's why I sold it after a short time and went back to a cbr fireblade. All that matters is how you start with your first bike and stick with it because you get familiar with it's mass and the way it handles. I would say the advice you gave is the most dangerous. Going from very nimble to very heavy or the opposite will confuse and injure drivers. Go to a dealership, test ride the bikes, stick with one type.
My first bike was a brand new 2018 cbr1000. Not only was it my first bike but by the time I got everything done at the dealership it was rush hour traffic on a Friday in California. What did I do? I lane split all the way home. Had I ever lane split before? Nope. Was I raised a bitch? Nope. Never laid a bike down or got in any wrecks. Don’t be stupid.
What was your riding experience prior? Did you drive before? Developed great road awareness? Was self taught? Did offroad or corcuits prior? Rode a friends 400/150? There are alot of factors involved here. Someone who has virutally no road experience whatsoever should not buy a 1000cc with the intention of getting aquinted with the road in general.
@@atitan9421 I went through a basic and advanced riders course before I ever owned I bike. As a kid I “raced” dirt bikes but it was less of a race and more of an excuse to just ride the dirt bikes. I just took to riding pretty well. Being a smart rider is my main concern everytime I go out. But yes my first bike was a 1000cc. I can probably count on one hand the amount of “close calls” I’ve had. If people are smart and make good decisions and have a minimal mechanical understanding it shouldn’t matter the power of the engine
Im thinking about buying a hayabusa as my first bike considering my weight as well i weigh like 300 pounds so what do u think i definetly am a smart rider i ride scootys as well in absolute rush hour traffic
@@streetDAOCI'm thinking about buying the BMW s1k for my first bike I had a 150 clutch bike been riding for 4 years now then my friend got a 250cc he also give me plenty of time riding his bike. but I think the s1000 is a better choice or better R6 what your opinion I just wanna know. There's one guy I know he started on zx10r now he change to s1000rr. So asked him which one is better R6 or s1000rr he says better get s1k he also ask me do you know how to ride 250cc right.i said yes. Then you can ride this but one you have 1000cc slowly learn skill one day training one skill until better
Exactly, each bike is different anyway, even same bikes can feel completely different with different engine tunes and suspension tunes, no point learning a 600 when ur just gonna have to do the learning process all over again on a 1000.
Yup. Absolutely agree. Just to add to this, as you're learning to ride you'll be thinking a lot about what you're doing and will not have developed the instinctive reactions necessary to get yourself out of trouble as quickly as a 1000cc+ bike can get you there. Things just happen a lot quicker than you realize when you step up to that power level.
Buy what you want...start slow and work up to canyon carving. Don't ride beyond your present ability. Practice low speed skills. Ride your own ride. And you'll be fine. Play stupid games....win stupid prizes.
I bought an S1K Gen 3 for my first bike. I kept it in a rain mode for a while and worked my way through the modes. Glad I have, saved myself having to sell and buy a new bike the more I progressed. That being said, it’s not the first time I’ve ever ridden.. from a mongoose 😄, to scooters, to riding my pups R6 round the block.. being 35 now, you understand it’s all in the wrist.. the more you twist, the more you risk. Know your limits. Your gonna have fun, just don’t be stupid.. Ride safe 🤙🏽
Agree in total I've started from 125cc that bike learned me a lot now I've changed to 650cc I'm still learning how to properly control my bike ... first track days behind me advanced courses too and I'm think I'm not redy for 1000cc yet ... ofc I feel lack of power but Vmax isn't everything...
The worst thing about wanting a new bike is if you’ve never ridden the exact bike u think u want, u buy one huge surprise, and resale on a crotch rocket is like trying to sell your used drawers as a very fat ugly woman. I wish I’d never seen a 600, the 1,000 is so much more smooth and comfortable, it handles so much better and the throttle response is literally scary, I can understand how ppl say to buy the small bikes first, but if u really want a bike u will want to keep and ride for a few years, go against the opinions and get the litre bike and just take it easy the first 5,000 miles and you’ll get used to the power.
Well. Thats nice but im still buying a bmw s1000r as a first bike. Yall out here acting like the bike rides itself. You can still do low speeds on a 1k.
@@StacyValerieUy haha guess what Stacy I bought mine last week (S1000R GEN2 2017) which one did you get?. I actually did it I've had it in road for ddc & ride mode also. I just thought happy medium. So when I go to dynamic it won't bite my head off loool. Side note how are you finding it?
@@512460 Thank you brother. Exactly, can learn in rain mode the same way as in on a 400. I did researched a lot as I am not the type of guy to take risk but features like DTC, ASC etc makes it safer for responsible beginner.
Got a 1k gixxer as my first bike. Best decission ever. 3 years now still have it, still ride it, never draopped crashed etc. Lost the rear and front a few times on road markings, wet, too much throttle etc. I also did a -1 + 2 rear and a 190/55 tyre just now ( supercorsa SP ) The moral here is, you need your head with you. These things make more speed that we know what to do with. Also do not skimp on tyres, like at all. Get the best thing you can put your hands on. It will save you on brakes, swerves and whatever there is. If you got no money to do a set of tyres a season, dont get a 1000. Your life is more important.
Best thing ever said to me when i was questioning someone about it. "Why dont you want to start on a 500? Too scared?" I Marty McFly'd my way down to the shop... No one calls me chicken!
You can learn on a liter bike. Better than buying something smaller and then outgrowing it in 6 months. Just keep in mind you need to respect the machine, and you'll be perfect! Don't discourage people bruh.
That's what I try to teach people when they ask about bikes. I bought a Suzuki TL1000 for my first bike. I never layed that one down. All about respect and knowing your limits.
that’s only gonna work with certain people, most people will kill themselves or scare themselves into quitting altogether if they start on a liter bike. even as a mature adult, you can’t always guarantee it. starting small is always gonna give u the most skill with the most safety.
Look, In 2012 I started out on a 1000cc (2002 Yamaha R1) with a graves 1056cc big bore motor in it that came out of a homoligated road race bike. I never went down on it and haven't been down once since I started riding. Not saying it won't ever happen because it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. The key is to respect the power the motorcycle has, dont ride like an idiot, be aware of your surroundings, dont ride outside of your comfort zone or experience level, dont push yourself to keep up with reckless or more experienced riders, and always wear proper gear (helmet, jacket. Gloves, pants, boots). Staying fit and keeping your reflexes in top shape does help a lot with reaction times well. Sure you can open the throttle up here and there but don't do it when you shouldn't. Starting on a 1000cc isn't a bad thing, but it isn't for every rider.
My first bike 07’ zx10r then 11’ 10r then S1k… Never had any issues but I have always respected the power and how fast it can become deadly. I will say the traction control has saved me a few times concerning cold tires.
I work at a bike shop that sells Chinese imports. Whenever a guy or girl comes in to buy their first bike, and they have little to zero experience on two wheels, I always point them to our Vader. Yeah, it's a tiny 125cc, and yeah, we have 250cc bikes (and scooters), but I tell them it's best to start off slow and learn on a small/slow bike for the exact reasons you just described in the video. Plus, learning on a smaller bike makes it easier to recover if/when you eventually have your first layover/crash. It's easier to wrestle a small 250-500 lbs bike out of the road than a 600+ lbs sport or touring bike by yourself. Like I have always heard: you need to learn to walk before you run. As for my personal experience with bikes, I got some time in on a small 80cc Honda 80 XR dirt bike. I rode it for around the backroads near my home for a year before the stator went out, but I had a blast. I'm currently looking to get my first "real" riding bike, which is a 1980s 400cc Honda Rebel. I'm still hoping the motor won't be too much of a jump in power, but know well enough how much respect bikes demand when learning their quirks and behavior. Either way, I plan on going to a motorcycle safety course, just to learn and practice with it.
Here in India , owning a bike is not about passion or luxury.. its usage and ease of traveling. We mostly use bike to go buy vegetables milk groceries etc...i.e if we r lazy nd dont like walking. We dont need speed. We need mileage. 125 cc to 250cc bikes are enough for us. 😂😂1000 cc bikes are the dream after riding a low end bike after 10yrs probably.
I was lucky enough to survive a crash on an italian supersport, a high side, kissed to road barrier destroying my helmet and everything on my body, somehow I only got a broken wrist, sore neck, and scratches. Went and got a 20yro 100cc honda after I got better, turns out 10HP is hella fun, learning to trail brake and dance around the limit of traction, used up the tyres all the way to the edge. And now on the track I'm faster on an R25 than the guy with a Z900...
And this is why a license is required in my country. We learn all the handling, throwing the bike around, making tight turns, being able to safely do emergency braking before we are even allowed to enter the public road. And Then its a couple more lessons on how to drive on the road. We also have different licenses depending on your age and the power of the bike.
Been riding since I was a little child, Motocross and then road bikes even once I had my R6 first time going on a litter bike was breathtaking ... Made my 600 feel like a moped ...
my reason for wanting to start on a 1000 is so that it forces me to learn how to control a bike with such power without having to relearn if i were to move up. plus, once on a 1000, there’s no need to move up since you’re already at the top. i also just live for a thrill
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Yeah well I would assume someone who owns a specific bike is more of an expert on said bike than people who...well, don't. Wild take I know.
Agree. A person who never rode a 1000cc superbike has no idea how stupid powerful these machines are. Especially the latest generations putting 210+ HP to the back wheel. I totally understand why manufacturers handicap them from the factory.
I started (ROAD RIDING, NON-DIRTBIKE) on a 23 zx6r. I'll say this, I never wrecked it due to my own fault. I just dropped it two weeks ago due to somebody's coolant spewed all across both lanes on a turn just .8 miles from home. now, that having been said, I'll also say this. if I bought the zx10r over the zx6r, I wouldn't be here anymore. atleast 5 or 6 times since I bought it in March, I was so close to eating major shit that if I had anymore bike available to me, I wouldn't have been so lucky! the main thing is to be careful and ride within your skillset. don't get hurt trying to show off, play catch up, keep up, etc, and respect your machine. it'll only do what you tell it to do! (besides a few occasional fun times you'll have) ride safe boys n girls! cheers!
If you have a bike licence you can get whatever you want, regardless of what engine it is you always have to be sensible on it and adapt to it. Nothing can make you "learn" than the bike you have to learn on, whether it be a 125 or a 1000.
Fist bike I got was a Honda rc51 it was a lot different then the standard inline 4 v twin 1000 lots of fun. So when he says, never get a liter bike to each their own all I have to say is learn to lean with your bike and keep an eye out for everyone and always remember. Nobody can tell how fast you’re going so just expect people are going to pull out in front of you.
Genuinely love your vids, fun but actually interesting and useful info not overly Complicated but to the point, thanks im wanting to do my bike licence this year and im 33 and was Genuinely looking at an r1 or gsxr1000r, not so much speed just the likd size of the bike i dont wanna sit on a small frame bike , " i can always put restrictors in the manild to decrease power to help gain experience
My first bike is 150cc (only available in my Region). My grandad bought it when I was 14. I'm 22 now and dreaming about owning mid/litre (naked street/sport/retros).
I have been on dirtbikes for a decade before getting a street bike. My first bike was a Ninja650 (2022) and it weighs 430lbs. I am planning on trading it in for a Honda CBR600rr or a Cbr1000rr. I have gotten used to the power but I almost want to be scared of the bikes potential so I learn how to control it.😊
I startet with 125cc at 16, then 450cc with 18 and it was a good choice, now I am driving 800cc bike still beeing aware that you have to train every year your skills to keep them well maintenanced
Proud to say 06' Fz1 as my first street bike. And yup 100%. 100+ bhp on a bike will change your life forever. Now take that feeling to an unimaginable scale, that's what 170 feels like.
I personally think that it is the weight and size of liter bikes that are primarily the reason that somebody shouldn't start on one, not the power itself.
I’ve ridden big bikes and they’re fun but not practical unless you are track riding. My favourite bike for daily city riding is my little Suzuki DR200 enduro. Tiny little machine but so light and easy to maneuver around heavy traffic
Big doesn't mean better. More powerful doesn't mean better. Experienced riders buy bikes based on their use case. Beginners buy bikes based on a spec sheet and the image that they want to convey.
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Everybody knows the best beginner bike is a turbocharged hayabusa.
Thank god im not the only one who thinks like this
Was gonna say h2 but honestly either ones a safe bet
DARWINISM, darn-it.🏍
h2r
Whatzzz up dawg
My brother clowns on me cause I want a 400 for my first bike he said just go for 1000, like nah bruh I kinda wanna be around to see my son become an adult lol.
exactly
The new 400rr is a fast as 600cc sport bikes used to be.. The 400rr is still super fast for a new rider. Honestly I suggest getting a street legal Enduro bike for your first bike . Almost everyone drops their first bike multiple times and you can practice in a field with it also. Also, when you drop it, it won't damage it near as much and a set of plastics you can get for 150 bucks. I suggest taking the new plastics off right away and install cheap aftermarket plastics and then you can change it back to the new ones , sell it and then go get a 400.
@@Ryan-eu3kpif you don’t mind me asking how is the extra time driving a car means anything
A 400 will typically go 107mph or 172kmph.
@@ethanschlong4662Knowing how to manage the driving aspects of riding on the road..
My friend died after getting a 1000 liter bike. He was working on a roof, slipped and fell to his death. Poor dude
A 1000 liter bike? Did he at least make it past Saturn?
So he didn't die on the bike?
RIP…😢
It doesn't matter how he died. His death certificate says COVID.
@@Gideon_Judges6 moloch demanded some sacrifices. The chi-coms delivered.
Wish i had seen this video before I bought a CBR 1000rr as my first bike. You're probably wondering if I totaled it shortly after it was broken in, the answer is yes I did.
glad you admit it and glad you are still here
Dam brother that sucks
Like the comment above lesson learned and your still on this earth bro
Very brave of u.
Takes a lot more to say what you did bro. Respect and happy you’re here and healthy
People don’t realize that going 5 mph and still being able to maneuver is the hardest part of motorcycle riding. Get a Vespa and learn how to stop first
Riding around on a scooter probably taught me more useful stuff than anything else when it comes to riding. Especially when it comes to low speed stuff and awareness in slow moving traffic.
@@januszgajusz1905good to know. I’ve been wanting to get into riding for a while now. I think I’ll rock something under 50cc so I don’t need to worry about a license for it right now and can grasp those low speed fundamentals
@@FloreFaune I’d say a 50cc would actually be too small for an adult as it would struggle to pull you up hills etc. I think a 125 is perfect even just to ride around for a few days to get used to being on two wheels without having to worry about being in the wrong gear or stalling. I honestly find it more fun at times to push a small bike to its limits rather than baby a big bike with 180hp.
@@FloreFaune a 150-160cc should be a better choice, if you omit the license part being a hassle.
Bruh. Where tf are all these clowns coming from pretending you can't slow ride a liter bike...yall obviously have never ridden one before. Take that big lever on the left handlebar, pull it, put it in 1st, let go of said lever and do nothing else. There you go, perfectly idling on balance at 5mph, arguably better balance than a mountain bike, and definitely better than any vespa.
My 06' fz1 was the first bike I could physically balance at a standstill. Not cuz "I'm that good", just cuz it really just is "that easy" with a proper balanced bike. I physically can't do it with my MX, and near impossible with a scooter since you have practically zero front rake angle. And on a vespa its even worse due to the single front stay and that stupid inverted little swingarm on the front. No sir, you have no fkn clue what you are talking about. Learning on a vespa is in my opinion the worst thing you can do if your aspirations are for a 1L bike eventually...if that's not your goal, why tf you commenting on this video mate? Just to let everyone know you're not a superbike kind of dude? I tried looking for the comment asking for your opinion, haven't found it yet.
My friend died on a 1000 in October. He had a 650 for a few months and switched to a cbr1000rr. He died shortly after. He was a natural athlete/rider.
The problem with these superbikes, they can make you feel way more comfortable and in control than you actually are. It can and will be lethal or permanently life changing if you make a mistake.
I wont say dont buy one as your first bike, some people truly are capable and mature enough, but all it takes is one impulsive move and its over for you and life is forver changed for your loved ones.
A saying I heard when I was a teenager holds a lot of weight... When you start riding, you have two sacks, one is empty and one is full, the empty one is experience, and the full one is luck. If you dont fill your experience sack before you empty your luck sack, you won't make it home. If you start on a liter bike, you are starting with two empty sacks.
Ride safe and think of your family/friends when you make your decision.
💯💯💯
Thoughts for your friend.
But I wouldn't call it two empty sacks, I argue that beginner riders ride with 3 sacks, the third being the one between their legs, and beginner riders think that substitutes the "experience" sack.
Rip 🙏🏻 🪦 to your friend brother fallen rider 😢 remember he still riding in heaven 🙏🏻
There is no problem with superbikes, the problem was your friend. Your friend made poor decisions, not the bike.
A 650 is pretty fast bike, too, though...
Completely agree, my first bike was mongoose
Gt!
Me too 😂
😂same
The blue 1 from Walmart right? 😂
I had a matt black rust bmx then a mongoose
S1000 double R was my first. No crashes, tickets, or losses racing. It’s the maturity level of the rider that dictates the amount of discipline and respect you give the bike and yourself. There are plenty of electronics on modern bikes to make it safer to ride and tone down the performance, but it still comes down to the nut between your ears, not your legs. Learn, grow, then unleash the beast.
Straight facts
i disagree, you may be more talented but not everyone have good grip of control. i remember my first 3 months on my MT-03 i have few almost accident but lucky my bike wasn't fast enough.
there were one time i try to practice turning in parking lot but i accidentally put throttle while try to use the brake and almost crash into the car infront of me, a good thing my bike's acceleration wasn't that fast so i have time to react to stop (about less than like 10cm to hit something). and also turning corner, the control is new to me too
and when i first start riding i also have issue to coordinate between using clutch and brake and throttle. as i never drove a manual before so the whole concept is new.
my point is for new beginner, those small precise control if do anything slightly wrong you may accidentally speed into the road and crash. i have biked for 2 years now and I now ride a 950cc (Streetfighter v2). but i can't imagine how my early beginning mistake will cost me if i have my SFv2 right at the start instead of having small bike like MT-03. i learned a lot from riding a small bike which i also recommand all beginner should as well
If you use throttle instead of brakes you should not be on any bike peroid. Not trying to be an ass but not handling that, and the basics of shifting you are a danger on the road. How you got a license is beyond me. Thats why in the EU you need to take lessons, and then with time and practice youll master the basics and you get your license so you wont kill anyone. About an hour, 25 to 40 lessons is the average. Then you need to pass the written test, and the practial test. Also under 27 you cant buy a high horse power bike. Wich also forces a more mature on high power bikes. The law is pretty helpfull sometimes. Lowers deaths on bikes compared to other counties/continents. Stats dont lie. Also just like with cars, driving a manual gives you much more control and skill. Shifting learns you alot. Multi tasking is one of them. Pressing gas and brakes only is very easy, and makes most people to confident to speed a corner etc.
Be safe out there, and take your time. Set ego aside and enjoy the twisties.
@indospartan yes I know but as beginner those precise control is something need lot of practice. It is not I plan to use throttle but when I squeeze the brake I accidentally pushed the trotter too (both on right hand).
I dont have that issue anymore. But my point is I don't think encouraging beginner for high power bike is good idea. As the higher the output the less margin of error. And anyone inexperienced may cause accidents.
remember folks always go slow. you need a lot of experience riding in residential areas and suburban roads as well as parking lots before you hit the road.
and that would also work well when you start riding the streets on low traffic and no rush hour.
He said “learn how to tell the bike what to do, before it tells you what’s gonna happen” gawdamn that was too real! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
That’s why I ride dirt and adventure bikes. That experience crosses over and makes for well rounded skills
100% agree. I believe that the best way to be a good rider is to get handy on dirt bikes first
Absolutely. I had a dirtbike 125cc when i was 14-16. Got my first road bike a 1979 cx500 honda lmao at age 31, but after a week or two refreshing myself i can ride it like a pro. Rain or shine, no traction and terrible brakes etc. no matter what happens i know how to regain control of the bike. Anyone can ride a bike that still in control. It takes a real rider to save their skin when its out of control, or when a car pulls out in front of you. You need to be able to brake hard and fast and not lock up, chances are you will. And a good rider can recover from that and regain stability. Too many street riders have no idea how a bike handles ones those sticky rubbers DO break free. Riding dirt gives you those skills. This is the absolute best advice i could give a new rider, along with check your ego and dont go fast until you can stop even faster and turn hard at a quick notice. Too many riders turn towards their turn instead of doing a brief countersteer to get the bike leaning and it causes them to overshoot the turn. See it dozens of times
Hell yeah 👍
@@spencerkleiman5035 that’s 100% correct. I’ve also noticed since I e been spending alot of time on my FZ1 that I’ve gotten faster in my dirtbike. It’s incredible how much you gain riding different bikes. Have a KLR650 for BDR and adventuring, FZ1 for touring and a daily, and a klx400 for the dirt and let me tell ya, they’re a match made in heaven.
Your wrist is what keeps you alive, always respect whatever machine you’re on💪🏽😎
Can’t forget good judgment too!!
That is easy to say ridden 40.plus yrs and give me 200hp I am going to use it every guy will so learn the skills on 40hp bike before you get 200hp bike. Learn to walk before trying to run. I started at 6 on yamaha 60 progressed up over 15 yrs before getting 600 ninja. Have ridden liter bikes but for street more bike than anyone e needs. I can do 165 on zx6 you really need that extra 80 hp and 30 miles an hour? No
Well said
Doesnt sound like youve done much riding... Your wrist has nothing to do with grabbing to much brake and lowsiding or releasing the clutch to fast on a downshift and locking the rear. It's so much more than throttle input thats keeping you on the bike.
There's a thousand ways to hurt yourself on a bike just by not have your fine motorskills trained to operate a motorcycle and the higher the CC the more sensitive every Control is making it way easier to to turn yourself into a statistic on a big bike than a little bike.
Bingo!
Everybody:"This Bike Is Way To Fast For A Beginner"
Me:"I'll Just Go Slow😙"
why buy it
Try handling that bike without speed, it will fall out you will accelerate and loose control
Until you hit a small bump and your throttle hand moves 1/4 of an inch, looping your bike
@@ephemeric8937 Bro exactly hahahahahaha. You cant explain this to brainless squids tho ahahahaha
Mehh, we all said that, none of us ever did, let's be honest.
Respect the bike, and understand how eager it is to put you into a wall at 100+mph. I find most people crashing either
A: didn't respect the bike
B: didn't trust the brakes
C: didn't commit when turning in
Dropping it in a parking lot will happen on a thou or a 300 if it's your first bike. My only advice is never finance your first bike, period.
Brother, I 100% agree with you and appreciate how you’re explaining to the new riders. GREAT VIDEO and advice - keep up the great work!
My first bike was a 200cc dirt bike, then a 250 two stroke, then a 450 4 stroke.
My first street bike was a 2005 cbr 1000rr, 1 big key thing is I weigh over 250, the bike is still fast but not wild like a 150lbs man feels.
2nd bike was a victory highball, now I ride a 1098 Ducati street fighter, cheers guys.
My first bike ever was a 2006 CBR 1000RR I learned how to ride on it took a few MSF courses on It, learned how to wheelie on it, ran from the cops on it, then eventually crashed it bought another one and that one got stolen by the police And so I bought another one, best bike ever to this day!
Hell yeah bro
What a moron
Fuck yeah
I bought a litre bike for my first bike and it’s been the best decision ever
Hell yeah brother.
My first street bike: 06' fz1
After buying it I instantly gave up on my sleeper maxima build. This thing is way faster than I ever imagined the car's build could be. Smiles per gallon every time I get on.
@@meusana3681 dude I had an 87 maxima I wanted to turn into a sleeper! It had the 3.0. I was going to swap it with a supercharged 3.6 xterra engine but could never find a wrecked one with engine and drive train 😂
@@The_Goat310 I was gonna do a vg30et conversion on my 3rd gen, same ish story, could never find a wrecker without a blown turbo or with ecu XD
Totally true. I was the typical idiot and started on the last gen busa lmfao. Now that I’ve lost skin and gained some experience, im saving for a zx6r.
-_- an even more extreme platform minus the warpdrive. If you low sided a busa, you're gonna do it with a zx6. That's a you problem, not a busa problem.
@@meusana3681 the hell does that got to do with me wanting a lighter bike lol. Obviously it was might fault I low sided it. anybody comfortable enough riding like I used to ride is gonna do the same damn thing. Point is, You live, you learn, you ride another day. And I learned I don’t like cornering fat bikes. Like it cool, don’t like it cool. Still ride a cbr600 but I’m gonna get a zx6r
My first bike was a 2006 zx10r. I probably shouldn’t have got it but I liked how it looked. I taught myself how to ride before taking the msf course and I’ve never had any problems riding
If youre the type of person that can control themselves a liter bike is no problem. But most people are not that type of person
Because you are a responsible motorcycle rider and have common sense and proper training.
I would argue to say most experienced street riders cannot even come close to what a modern litre bike can do!
I agree with this. Not to mention the amount of times riding on the street where you can actually use it. My bike is WAY too fast for the road but serious fun on the track.
Best way to learn how to drive a liter bike is to get a liter bike
😂
Hadn't ridden in 30 years, bought a C-14. Saw a ZX14R, bought it.
Taking my time, not pushing it at all. After riding the C-14, the ZX14R handles differently, but feels much lighter to the touch.
Love to ride them both.
You mean Ride
@@sofilemushahary2360 ride,drive doesn’t matter different words same meaning
I started on a ninja 400, and now ride a zx6r, and even the 636 is insanely powerful, theres no reason to start on a liter bike you are exactly right! Im so glad i started on the 400
how long before you upgraded to a supersport?
@@JohnnyDiesel88 i rode the 400 for about 11 months until i bought the 636 and sold the 400.
Just go ride a liter bike pls. You're embarrassing yourself right now. They are SOOO much more docile than any zx6r of any year model. Don't get me wrong, fk around and you'll find out. But street riding is infinitely safer with a thou if you are mature enough in my opinion. It's realy only like mid 2000 GSXR 1000s that edge into the 600's realm of extreme ergo. I'll be more comfortable arguing the exact opposite as you just did...For a beginner and an advanced rider the skill gap is much smaller on a thou than on a 400. You can go to a track as a complete newbie and have your world shaken by a thou, and would need 10+ years experience to have the same feeling on a 400 on track.
There's no reason to go full throttle on a thou on the streets, this much I'll grant you, but in the same breath I guarantee you way more thou's are riding around partial throttle than 600s.
I got a 1000 and found out there was no reason to get one. 70mph in first gear is pointless if you like shifting and my childhood wasn't bad enough to want to go 160 on the highway.
@@Charles-ij1ow XD BS.
Again someone who read about 600s and how you need to rev them to the moon, thinks 1000s are like 600s just bigger, so its the same cat with bigger claws.
You couldn't be more wrong sir, and you couldn't have made a worse comment to show you don't really know what you're talking about.
Imagine shifting at 4k instead of 15k and still getting the same torque...that's exactly why 1000s are better for street. If you can't manage to shift before you see a red line, that says more about you than the bike.
Your voice has chill vibes. Good video.
You’d be a lot cooler if u didn’t
@@dankrangerpurp2971 WatsAHahahaha dude?
I was about to get a used zx10r as first real bike but as I did my research and really thought about it I realized I always liked driving slow light cars fast bcs I can manipulate it easier and is more nimble and at one point canyon runs were all I did. So I instead got a new ninja 400 and after riding that for a hot minute I really think I wouldnt of been alive today if I would’ve of gotten the liter bike, so I always recommend 400 as first bike. It’s still faster than lot of cars on road and you can really learn how to ride fast
Start with dirt bikes and you should be ok. My first street bike was a liter bike and adaptation after years of off-road made it much more comprehensive.
Great advice.. even better get a dirt bike.. everything transfers over to the street from dirt .. make all your mistakes in the dirt it's a lot easier trust me...
I'm so glad I got a MT-03 as my first bike. The idea of riding a liter bike where if you whiskey throttle, you might end up doing a backflip scares the shit out of me. I like riding something small and low stakes.
That's why you hover on the clutch. 😂 🤦🏽♂️
My first motorcycle was a stock Hayabusa 1300cc. I wasnt in the right state of mind, and two full days of riding experience I plunged into the unknown without a care in the world. I have a daughter.
Not even two weeks in I participated in a group ride of at least 50 riders. I was the 5th to go down that day at 120 on a one way.
I was so close to smacking into another rider that i took some clothing off from his trousers, and oncoming SUV that nearly hit me a foot away while i was essentially lane splitting.
As a new rider I panicked, and hit both brakes hard making the busa lock up, and threw me off.
I rolled about 20 times, and got some light road rashes, but i was able to get up, and live another day...
My first bike was an r1 never had a problem and yes I went fast. I did do my homework and didn’t just go balls to the wall with the bike but I’d say having friends with experience and maturity helped a lot. Mine was 17 and what my friends did for me was dumb down the bike and let me ride it like that. Until I felt I was ready to handle more. So keep that in mind.
100% agree. That being said, my first bike was a 2021 zx14r
I'm thinking of a r1300 rs when that comes out.
i want a bike like that so bad!! but idk if its worth the risk.. a bike like a zx10rr or 14r, a gsxr1000 or busa 😭😭 they are so cool but risky
@@johnporkinohio \Yeah just start on low power mode/
@@GeforceNow-zg4kk they have those?! if i knew i would be looking for one now!
@@GeforceNow-zg4kk im thinking a gsxr1000, zx14r or zx10r. maybe a 10rr.
Valuable talk
For 40 years whenever anyone asked me, "What do I recommend for a first bike" I ALWAYS gave the same answer... start with a dirt bike and learn how to panic brake, slide, and save a bad situation before you get a street bike! It's going to save your life the first time someone pulls out in front of you right after they look directly at you! I have been riding motorcycles since 1970. I've owned several Superbikes, and I used to work at a dealership! This advice can save a new riders life!
After hearing this same message 20 times. It finally makes sense. The way this guy explains it actually shines light on the logic. If you have your first experience on a motorcycle that is too heavy and powerful and unmanageable/maneuverable then all you know is how to sit up straight, ride in low gear generally to take super caution. You gotta get all the skills down on a platform thats conducive to learning and comfort. Can it be done on a heavier, more powerful bike? Sure but why force it
You don’t need to know all that when you just going in a straight line 😂
Tell us more about how you've only ridden bitch seat...
LEARN ON THE DIRT FIRST!!! an buy a smaller 4 stroke to start. A liter bike for a beginner is like handing the keys to a Lamborghini to kid that has never drove anything...DEATHWISH!!!!
YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT BRO!!!
SCHOOL THE SQUIDS!!!!🤣🤣🤣
It's great advice. I'll also add that if you're just starting out, you shouldn't be riding in a stressed position. Basically means that being on a sport bike is uncomfortable, you can't truly relax and it hinders your ability to observe the world around you. Sitting up comfortably relatively straight on a motorcycle is an advantage. Then once you have experience seeing how traffic/people behave on the road unhindered, get that litre bike or whatever you desire next.
spoken like someone who's never ridden a liter bike before, that argument belongs in the r6 forums, and even then, CAP
My first bike was actually 2008 R1, now it's been 9 years and I'm still riding it. Had some small slides, but gear kept me injury-free. No big crashes. My reasoning back then was that liter bike engines last significantly longer than even of 600cc, and yes it still runs as good as new, apart from replacing some minor parts like clutch discs. Usually riding 8k-11k RPM, in city, track, everywhere.
So it depends (on person).
Also, starting on underpowered small bikes may give you bad throttle habits so you'll run into issues if you upgrade later.
In theory buy a liter bike and save money. Realistically you’re more than likely going to crash and when you do it’s gonna be a lot worst when turning the throttle 50% gets you over 100 mph in a few seconds
I bought a 2007 GSXR 600 as my first bike. Was SO fast, especially after I changed the sproket/pinion gearing, to make it accelerate like a 2-stroke. Second bike was a 2007 R1. Liter bike that old is like riding a tank. Next (and current) bike was a 2015 BMW S1000RR. This thing feels lighter/more nimble than my 600. If I'm a 5/10 on my GSXR, I'm 8/10 on BMW. Makes me feel like a pro!
I went from a Yamaha xsr125 to a 2000 Suzuki GSXR600 SRAD, man its fast as hell.
so what should i start with first riding with a bike? a 600 GSXR or a 2015 bmw s1000r
My first bike was a Kawasaki 900 and it was amazing and light. A lot of newer bikes have modes to lower power. Have you ever tried selling a 400 or lower CC? They lose their value so fast.
I love my honda rebel 500 as my first bike, on the msf class we learned how to ride on a HD Street 500 and it made me want to learn on a small bike as i wanted to master quick slow speed maneuvers, figure of 8s and u-turns. I’m also riding the hell out of it trying to be proficient on clutch less quick gear shifting and i would never regret starting on a smaller bike, i haven’t dropped it yet but i installed crash bars just in case. I’m glad i’m learning on the smaller bike and may just keep it when i buy a bigger one as one of my buddies might want to learn too.
I bought a cbr600rr and loved it until two months later when my buddy bought an R1 and completely regretted ever even seeing that uncomfortable Honda. In Hondas defense tho, it was an awesome bike, but it was not built to be comfortable and take on long rides, hell I never even got it to half the redline of 13 grand, it’s a race bike and well I hated it. The R1 felt like it had been built just for me.
how is the R1 more comfortable than the Cbr600rr? the r1 has a stiff chair, a more aggressive attack position coupled with it being longer and lower handle bar position???!!… I own a zx10r and an R1 both new versions and I say this with all honesty…
Bro what😂😂
U clearly haven’t rode either lol
Am I reading this right? You found the R1 more comfortable?
@@chris212849Looking like it.
I started at 33 years old with a 200CC Chinese bike, then purchased a 2019 Kawasaki W800, followed by a 2023 KLR650. I just purchased an R1250RS last weekend and I am in love. I’m absolutely in agreement with you that you should never buy a liter bike for your first motorcycle.
The average person should probably heed this advice. I grew up on motor cross, then stopped riding around age 14. 20 years later wifey got her riding license and got a Gixxer 750. I decided to get my license and I got an R1. 10 years later I’m on an S1000RR and she’s still rocking the 750. We have been riding medium-hard for over 10 years. Never laid down a bike, thankfully. But both of us were also car people and have pretty good driving skills driving fast cars. Neither one of us has ever had a car accident either. If you have that mechanic intuition, it doesn’t matter what you start on. If you have a tendency to fall off a bicycle, you should probably start small, but it will eventually come to bite you at some point down the road.
Buy whatever bike you want just remember to respect the power and weight my first bike was an r1 Big Bang had it 4 years live every thing about it
i totally agree
You’re still alive. Congratulations 😊
Absolutely great advice in under 1minute..
My first bike is was a liter at 16. I liked the weight underneath my legs and the stability in high speeds. Then I went to a xlv varadero as a second bike, again it felt sturdy and safe although tall. When I moved in denmark i tried an r6 and it felt like a feather in the wind. Yes nimble, fast at 0-60 but totally felt unsafe with it's maneuverability. That's why I sold it after a short time and went back to a cbr fireblade. All that matters is how you start with your first bike and stick with it because you get familiar with it's mass and the way it handles. I would say the advice you gave is the most dangerous. Going from very nimble to very heavy or the opposite will confuse and injure drivers. Go to a dealership, test ride the bikes, stick with one type.
It only goes as fast as you twist that throttle
My first bike was a brand new 2018 cbr1000. Not only was it my first bike but by the time I got everything done at the dealership it was rush hour traffic on a Friday in California. What did I do? I lane split all the way home. Had I ever lane split before? Nope. Was I raised a bitch? Nope. Never laid a bike down or got in any wrecks. Don’t be stupid.
What was your riding experience prior? Did you drive before? Developed great road awareness? Was self taught? Did offroad or corcuits prior? Rode a friends 400/150? There are alot of factors involved here. Someone who has virutally no road experience whatsoever should not buy a 1000cc with the intention of getting aquinted with the road in general.
@@atitan9421 I went through a basic and advanced riders course before I ever owned I bike. As a kid I “raced” dirt bikes but it was less of a race and more of an excuse to just ride the dirt bikes. I just took to riding pretty well. Being a smart rider is my main concern everytime I go out. But yes my first bike was a 1000cc. I can probably count on one hand the amount of “close calls” I’ve had. If people are smart and make good decisions and have a minimal mechanical understanding it shouldn’t matter the power of the engine
Im thinking about buying a hayabusa as my first bike considering my weight as well i weigh like 300 pounds so what do u think i definetly am a smart rider i ride scootys as well in absolute rush hour traffic
@@Abugoat I think busas are for trashy people is what I think so yeah you’d probably be good to go
@@streetDAOCI'm thinking about buying the BMW s1k for my first bike I had a 150 clutch bike been riding for 4 years now then my friend got a 250cc he also give me plenty of time riding his bike. but I think the s1000 is a better choice or better R6 what your opinion I just wanna know. There's one guy I know he started on zx10r now he change to s1000rr.
So asked him which one is better R6 or s1000rr he says better get s1k he also ask me do you know how to ride 250cc right.i said yes. Then you can ride this but one you have 1000cc slowly learn skill one day training one skill until better
I respectfully disagree, my first bike was a CBR 900RR and I respected the power, learned with that weight and turned out just fine.
Ok but modern liter bikes are much much faster
I’m gonna start on a R1.
But can you ride it properly tho? Lot of people can hop on the liter bike and ride speed limit. But few can ride it to its potential.
@@crusoeart2951the more he rides it and build a relationship with it he would unlock its full potential
Word I just bought a 2022 mt09 loving it working each day on bumping up the power just gotta be responsible
You control the throttle don’t go fast until you feel comfortable. My pops started on a 900cc first bike.
Exactly, each bike is different anyway, even same bikes can feel completely different with different engine tunes and suspension tunes, no point learning a 600 when ur just gonna have to do the learning process all over again on a 1000.
@@jackiemoon1556 and then you don’t have to upgrade 🤣
@@hodarineph638 Exactly, use that money u would have wasted on the 600 for mods when u want ur 1000 to rip harder.
Yup. Absolutely agree. Just to add to this, as you're learning to ride you'll be thinking a lot about what you're doing and will not have developed the instinctive reactions necessary to get yourself out of trouble as quickly as a 1000cc+ bike can get you there. Things just happen a lot quicker than you realize when you step up to that power level.
Buy what you want...start slow and work up to canyon carving. Don't ride beyond your present ability. Practice low speed skills. Ride your own ride. And you'll be fine.
Play stupid games....win stupid prizes.
Is s ZX400 too much for a starter bike?
Nah man should be totally fine
@@fabiangudde6108 is the 600 too much?
@@Sub-Zero-392yes
@@GTDcol damn. ZX400 it is. Not happy about that.
@@Sub-Zero-392 for a starter bike, anything below 500-600CC should do
I bought an S1K Gen 3 for my first bike.
I kept it in a rain mode for a while and worked my way through the modes.
Glad I have, saved myself having to sell and buy a new bike the more I progressed.
That being said, it’s not the first time I’ve ever ridden.. from a mongoose 😄, to scooters, to riding my pups R6 round the block.. being 35 now, you understand it’s all in the wrist.. the more you twist, the more you risk. Know your limits. Your gonna have fun, just don’t be stupid.. Ride safe 🤙🏽
Agree in total I've started from 125cc that bike learned me a lot now I've changed to 650cc I'm still learning how to properly control my bike ... first track days behind me advanced courses too and I'm think I'm not redy for 1000cc yet ... ofc I feel lack of power but Vmax isn't everything...
The worst thing about wanting a new bike is if you’ve never ridden the exact bike u think u want, u buy one huge surprise, and resale on a crotch rocket is like trying to sell your used drawers as a very fat ugly woman. I wish I’d never seen a 600, the 1,000 is so much more smooth and comfortable, it handles so much better and the throttle response is literally scary, I can understand how ppl say to buy the small bikes first, but if u really want a bike u will want to keep and ride for a few years, go against the opinions and get the litre bike and just take it easy the first 5,000 miles and you’ll get used to the power.
Well. Thats nice but im still buying a bmw s1000r as a first bike. Yall out here acting like the bike rides itself. You can still do low speeds on a 1k.
same sentiments, s1k as my first bike, been riding it on rain mode for a month, dyna after lol
@@StacyValerieUy haha guess what Stacy I bought mine last week (S1000R GEN2 2017) which one did you get?. I actually did it I've had it in road for ddc & ride mode also. I just thought happy medium. So when I go to dynamic it won't bite my head off loool.
Side note how are you finding it?
Same here, bought my 2015 S1000RR a week ago. Rain mode all the way.
@@DanyalJamali congrats also you have a fast bike which you can make slower however you can't make a slow bike fast
@@512460 Thank you brother. Exactly, can learn in rain mode the same way as in on a 400. I did researched a lot as I am not the type of guy to take risk but features like DTC, ASC etc makes it safer for responsible beginner.
Got a 1k gixxer as my first bike. Best decission ever. 3 years now still have it, still ride it, never draopped crashed etc. Lost the rear and front a few times on road markings, wet, too much throttle etc. I also did a -1 + 2 rear and a 190/55 tyre just now ( supercorsa SP )
The moral here is, you need your head with you. These things make more speed that we know what to do with. Also do not skimp on tyres, like at all. Get the best thing you can put your hands on. It will save you on brakes, swerves and whatever there is. If you got no money to do a set of tyres a season, dont get a 1000. Your life is more important.
Best thing ever said to me when i was questioning someone about it. "Why dont you want to start on a 500? Too scared?" I Marty McFly'd my way down to the shop... No one calls me chicken!
You can learn on a liter bike. Better than buying something smaller and then outgrowing it in 6 months. Just keep in mind you need to respect the machine, and you'll be perfect! Don't discourage people bruh.
That's what I try to teach people when they ask about bikes. I bought a Suzuki TL1000 for my first bike. I never layed that one down. All about respect and knowing your limits.
that’s only gonna work with certain people, most people will kill themselves or scare themselves into quitting altogether if they start on a liter bike. even as a mature adult, you can’t always guarantee it. starting small is always gonna give u the most skill with the most safety.
As a r1 owner myself I highly recommend it as your first bike it’s super light and easy to handle…
Look, In 2012 I started out on a 1000cc (2002 Yamaha R1) with a graves 1056cc big bore motor in it that came out of a homoligated road race bike. I never went down on it and haven't been down once since I started riding. Not saying it won't ever happen because it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. The key is to respect the power the motorcycle has, dont ride like an idiot, be aware of your surroundings, dont ride outside of your comfort zone or experience level, dont push yourself to keep up with reckless or more experienced riders, and always wear proper gear (helmet, jacket. Gloves, pants, boots). Staying fit and keeping your reflexes in top shape does help a lot with reaction times well. Sure you can open the throttle up here and there but don't do it when you shouldn't. Starting on a 1000cc isn't a bad thing, but it isn't for every rider.
My first bike 07’ zx10r then 11’ 10r then S1k… Never had any issues but I have always respected the power and how fast it can become deadly. I will say the traction control has saved me a few times concerning cold tires.
I’d recommend using your money on a bike you want. Litre or otherwise
I'd say don't spend more than 8k otherwise if you crash it you're screwed and also if you don't end up liking riding then you don't lose that much
I completely agree. Let’s go 650 gang 😂
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I work at a bike shop that sells Chinese imports. Whenever a guy or girl comes in to buy their first bike, and they have little to zero experience on two wheels, I always point them to our Vader. Yeah, it's a tiny 125cc, and yeah, we have 250cc bikes (and scooters), but I tell them it's best to start off slow and learn on a small/slow bike for the exact reasons you just described in the video. Plus, learning on a smaller bike makes it easier to recover if/when you eventually have your first layover/crash. It's easier to wrestle a small 250-500 lbs bike out of the road than a 600+ lbs sport or touring bike by yourself.
Like I have always heard: you need to learn to walk before you run.
As for my personal experience with bikes, I got some time in on a small 80cc Honda 80 XR dirt bike. I rode it for around the backroads near my home for a year before the stator went out, but I had a blast. I'm currently looking to get my first "real" riding bike, which is a 1980s 400cc Honda Rebel. I'm still hoping the motor won't be too much of a jump in power, but know well enough how much respect bikes demand when learning their quirks and behavior. Either way, I plan on going to a motorcycle safety course, just to learn and practice with it.
Been on an R1 as my first bike for 2 years no issues. Don’t listen to this crap
Here in India , owning a bike is not about passion or luxury.. its usage and ease of traveling. We mostly use bike to go buy vegetables milk groceries etc...i.e if we r lazy nd dont like walking. We dont need speed. We need mileage. 125 cc to 250cc bikes are enough for us. 😂😂1000 cc bikes are the dream after riding a low end bike after 10yrs probably.
When I was told not to buy a 600+ as my first bike, "why?" didn't even enter my mind. I knew the why.
Bike says " soo here's what's going to happen" loool
I was lucky enough to survive a crash on an italian supersport, a high side, kissed to road barrier destroying my helmet and everything on my body, somehow I only got a broken wrist, sore neck, and scratches.
Went and got a 20yro 100cc honda after I got better, turns out 10HP is hella fun, learning to trail brake and dance around the limit of traction, used up the tyres all the way to the edge. And now on the track I'm faster on an R25 than the guy with a Z900...
And this is why a license is required in my country. We learn all the handling, throwing the bike around, making tight turns, being able to safely do emergency braking before we are even allowed to enter the public road. And Then its a couple more lessons on how to drive on the road. We also have different licenses depending on your age and the power of the bike.
Been riding since I was a little child, Motocross and then road bikes even once I had my R6 first time going on a litter bike was breathtaking ... Made my 600 feel like a moped ...
Just got my first bike the other day. Ninja 400. So glad i went this route
my reason for wanting to start on a 1000 is so that it forces me to learn how to control a bike with such power without having to relearn if i were to move up. plus, once on a 1000, there’s no need to move up since you’re already at the top. i also just live for a thrill
Hands up: Who here had a liter bike as their first street bike?
Everyone, it would appear. And they're all experts, too!
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Yeah well I would assume someone who owns a specific bike is more of an expert on said bike than people who...well, don't. Wild take I know.
Agree. A person who never rode a 1000cc superbike has no idea how stupid powerful these machines are. Especially the latest generations putting 210+ HP to the back wheel.
I totally understand why manufacturers handicap them from the factory.
I started wayy back on a crf150r and climbed the cc ladder. Just picked up me new project 2009 r1
I started (ROAD RIDING, NON-DIRTBIKE) on a 23 zx6r. I'll say this, I never wrecked it due to my own fault. I just dropped it two weeks ago due to somebody's coolant spewed all across both lanes on a turn just .8 miles from home. now, that having been said, I'll also say this. if I bought the zx10r over the zx6r, I wouldn't be here anymore. atleast 5 or 6 times since I bought it in March, I was so close to eating major shit that if I had anymore bike available to me, I wouldn't have been so lucky! the main thing is to be careful and ride within your skillset. don't get hurt trying to show off, play catch up, keep up, etc, and respect your machine. it'll only do what you tell it to do! (besides a few occasional fun times you'll have) ride safe boys n girls! cheers!
Sv650 is a good starter best part is it doesn't get boring so you can hold onto it and have it as a side bike when you eventually get a screamer.
The SV 650 is probably the best "1st bike" ever made.
I made the mistake to ask the question "why not" after I bought it 😅
If you have a bike licence you can get whatever you want, regardless of what engine it is you always have to be sensible on it and adapt to it. Nothing can make you "learn" than the bike you have to learn on, whether it be a 125 or a 1000.
Great beginner bikes are:
1:Turbocharged Busa
2:h2
3:duke 1290
4:kawasaki zx14r
Can be allowed to learn on r1,gsxr1000 and a few other liter bikes
Fist bike I got was a Honda rc51 it was a lot different then the standard inline 4 v twin 1000 lots of fun. So when he says, never get a liter bike to each their own all I have to say is learn to lean with your bike and keep an eye out for everyone and always remember. Nobody can tell how fast you’re going so just expect people are going to pull out in front of you.
i thought i could handle a 600cc as my gist bike but boy was i fuckin wrong stsrt iff small i promise yall please be safe
This was such an important piece of advice you said.
Genuinely love your vids, fun but actually interesting and useful info not overly Complicated but to the point, thanks im wanting to do my bike licence this year and im 33 and was Genuinely looking at an r1 or gsxr1000r, not so much speed just the likd size of the bike i dont wanna sit on a small frame bike , " i can always put restrictors in the manild to decrease power to help gain experience
Well I bought a r1 as my first bike. But I've also raced motocross sense I was 4. So I'm just new to having traction 😂
Getting a liter for first bike is signing up for suicide
My first bike is 150cc (only available in my Region). My grandad bought it when I was 14. I'm 22 now and dreaming about owning mid/litre (naked street/sport/retros).
Thank god I listened to you because I would've been dead so instead I bought a turbocharged hayabusa with a long swing arm, I'm going to try it later
You can. It’s all about respect. Respect the bike and what it can do, and your first bike can be anything.
Facts bro.
Wanted a fast bike for my first bike.
Started on a 750 katana, then got me a 600 gsxr, now I want my liter bike.
I have been on dirtbikes for a decade before getting a street bike. My first bike was a Ninja650 (2022) and it weighs 430lbs. I am planning on trading it in for a Honda CBR600rr or a Cbr1000rr. I have gotten used to the power but I almost want to be scared of the bikes potential so I learn how to control it.😊
I startet with 125cc at 16, then 450cc with 18 and it was a good choice, now I am driving 800cc bike still beeing aware that you have to train every year your skills to keep them well maintenanced
What abt if you have been riding dirt bikes for a long time
My first bike is a 2022 s1000rr been riding for a year I think it’s just all in the head respect the bike and you’ll get to where you need to go
Proud to say 06' Fz1 as my first street bike.
And yup 100%. 100+ bhp on a bike will change your life forever. Now take that feeling to an unimaginable scale, that's what 170 feels like.
I personally think that it is the weight and size of liter bikes that are primarily the reason that somebody shouldn't start on one, not the power itself.
I’ve ridden big bikes and they’re fun but not practical unless you are track riding. My favourite bike for daily city riding is my little Suzuki DR200 enduro. Tiny little machine but so light and easy to maneuver around heavy traffic
Big doesn't mean better. More powerful doesn't mean better. Experienced riders buy
bikes based on their use case. Beginners buy bikes based on a spec sheet and the image that they want to convey.