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Enlightenment is not a matter of time | Krishnamurti
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I was suffering from anxiety and panics, i searched every corner on the internet, meditated for 2 years straight but it didn’t help, followed all the paths that meditators showed but it made me more anxious cz i was fighting myself,it was kind of battle that if i win i will loose and out no where i fell in hands of j krishnamurthi’s teachings and instead of asking questions i started to listen to myself as he told “don’t act, just observe” the pain and suffering will tell its story and pass but only if you don’t want it to go,only if you are ready to just listen, surrender yourself to pain and watch it turns into bliss. I hope you find whatever you are seeking from this GEM person’s videos.
same story here...it's funny how the brain really quiets down by not fighting just observing suffering
Many thanks. 🙏
Same today happened to me i sit my leg died and mosquito began to eat me and i just watch them
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Whomever was your meditation teacher or teachers were, they unfortunately did not serve you well. It has its place but unfortunately can further exasperate problems for some. This is why a good teacher will carefully screen any prospective students. Unfortunately some teachers are in it for purely business reasons and have no real depth of practice. It is a bit like K has said before in some of his talks. "If the mind is confused, do nothing , the mind needs space to function properly", An anxious mind is a busy confused mind.
3:04 "We are like two friends talking together" RIP Jiddu Krishnamurti 17 February 1986 (aged 90)
No guru just a friend
I’m so grateful for these talks. Thank you
Time. The brain. Transformation. Understand what he is saying and you will be very good. True, enlightenment cannot be given by others, but lectures such as this do contribute a lot of.
Enlightenment is the realisation that your are timeless,eternal.
Ah ! Ok
Enlightenment is freedom from the known. It is the ignoring of the separating and personalizing mind. A feeling of timelessness might arise, but this also is to be left alone.
@@paulmetdebbie447 could enlightenment be the realisation that you are neither the known,nor the knower of the known ?????just wondered.
There is no Realisation, it is the self which 'is'.
@@ranjitavinod1541 the constant watcher, without doing 'watching'...
Very deep but awesome teachings 👏 thanks for sharing 🙏 watch full video ❤️
This man is absolutely amazing. I still have many of his books, which I read many years ago.
So brilliant to see and hear him now, albeit a very short utube video.
Who is this? What’s his name
@@tshepisomorake. J Krishnamurthi, in my opinion one of the greatest and wisest person to have ever lived
“We are talking as friends together“ Wish I had a friend to talk about stuff like this.
Count me in 💐
@adsr4882 I’m there my friend ✨
Striking video for me. This brain is not your brain. This hit me, somehow, hard. Thank you!!!!
GOD BLESS.THANKS
Namaskaram
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people are asking for the answer, you should contemplate for yourself. What I personally got form it is No. The mind has changed on subtle levels over millions of years, slowly through evolution. This to me means that the brain is an organ of habit and computation. What Krishnamurti said is enlightenment is not something to be calculated. 'First pass these 3 stages of meditation then you will be ready'...or "first you must graduate to this level of preisthood then you will be enlightened", etc. This is all formed from the mind. ENlgithenment is NO mind. SO the brain cannot transform itself because it gets stuck in these systems and loops. No brain/no mind will. That is my personal interpretation.
Personally I took it as if you should think in a different way, more exactly in the way you wanna think, he talks about that fear, anxiety, and other symptoms that happens in our brains which comes from the primitive, we arent primitive anymore, I know I may be taking this too personal but, think about people addicted to the phone, just checking it all time is a way of distracting yourself from your consciousness, we do this because of our primitive, but, we arent anymore, the same you can feel attracted to a women and rape her, you dont because you arent an animal anymore, you let your anger conquer you and beat someone, you dont neither, same goes for this, higher your mind to the level you wanna reach, by beign conscious, knowing the symptoms of the primitive brains (think in supossed you cant control) you can step up.
The brain is fine. No transformation is needed. It only has to learn to not follow and believe the personalizing and separating mind. Leave the mind alone, no matter what it does. Ignore it. This is freedom from the known. Then the brain can perceive in choiceless awareness all that happens and presents itself. No comceptualization, no personalizing, no suffering. Just be whatever happens.
@@paulmetdebbie447Very late reply. I have to admit that you resumed 60 years of K talks here, of course simply and fast. Probably by "ignore it" we mean choicelessly looking at it, like we understand that thought is not reality and ao we ignore it. Just like we ignore a poison bottle, we don't drink it of course.
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He is saying enlightenment is a whole new process of thinking and perceiving. A way where that you have to let go of all the primal instincts. That is why he is asking can the brain easily transform into the new way of thinking without lust, desires, and so on. This is what enlightenment is. Right?
Primal instinct as in intuition and survival are fine. When hungry, eat. When thirsty, drink. When tired, sleep. When in danger, run, defend or shield. When in love, procreate. Nothing wrong with that. This is brain or pure Unborn mind. It is the secondary, conditioned instincts of the personalizing mind that have to be ignored.
Yes, it can and on multiple occasions in a lifetime. See: Nietzsche's Three Metamorphosis. It's a common phenomenon.
He is not talking about occasions of satori. This is common. He is referring to going beyond the separation permanently as in realizing. This is less common but it happens. It takes a silent and listening brain that is in awe of itself and of creation which observes though the senses in choiceless awareness everything that happens, without personalizing and self referential thoughts.
Can someone please post full video link here. Gratitude ❤
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Rarely hear the word "enlightentment" coming out of K's mouth. I thought he's afraid that kind of words 😃
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This channel never uploads the full video so that we can grasp what is being told.
One side of false teaching. We don't need others. Other side is... We can't alone... Truth is so simple... No rules or restrictions or instructions are apsolut.... humbleness, truthfulness and kindness are our best friends...
So what's the answer? Can it transform itself?
yeah seriously?! how could it end there?…
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Autonomy is the whole point, that is the message of all the great teachers, that same path they took themselves, self-inquiry, away from anybody who dictate what to think, feel or say.
The brain needs not transform. It only must learn to ignore conditioning. Leave the talking mind alone. Only reside in choiceless awareness of the Unborn mind. This is being in the flow of Oneness.
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As soon as "I" is disappear/abolished,enlightenment comes into existence.
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If so then how Buddha attained enlightenment
How is the "wrong"question, you cannot do something to get it because trying to get it shows you dont have it. "It" is Enlightenment. I believe buddha wasnt thinking much about enlighment and just was open for it, not desiring it. Desire = future= time=mind
No one ever attained enlightenment. It is not the person who realizes enlightenment, but Oneness realizing the illusion of the person. What remains is Buddha nature, not Buddha-person. Going beyond (ignoring) the separating and personalizing mind is what it takes.
But time is a matter of enlightenment.
Liberation is being in the flow of Oneness. All notion of who, when and where we are is gone. Ego (mind), place and time dissolve into Oneness. Not as being lost, but rather being found again in the flow of the Unborn mind. Satchitananda, the joy of aliveness.
Can anybody help me understand what he proposes: "enlightenment is not a matter of time". I got it. But I didn't get what enlightenment is a matter of, then. Also, he proposes a question " can the brain change itself?". Modern science answers that with a clear Yes. But I wonder what the point of his question. Can anybody put together some thoughts on this?
Can the mind in itself by itself heal itself? If you realize that all beings are connected (even lower life forms), we are all part of one mind and one brain. If we tend to make ourselves more aware of the outliers and focus on the things that are different and not repeating the same programs and behaviors that keep us bound, then yes the brain can heal itself but only when you look at the brain in all its various connections and not the physical neurons and dendrites, but the less tangible connections we have with all of creation.
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Enlightenment is moment to moment. It is not something permanent that one can claim that one is enlightened and people are so absurd that they have talked of even 'beyond enlightenment'😂..the word is perhaps outdated now as it has become more of a tradition or illusory. Either one's mind is awakened or asleep. That is all.
yesss not incremental growth thats dualism and comparison/ego
So can it transform itself or not? 🙄
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It needs not transform. Only learn to ignore conditioning. This it can do without doubt.
He’s mentioned ‘brain’ too many times. I think by brain he means the mind.
No.
It means addiction for matter.
Persuit of matter.
Yes he is not clear enough sometimes. Conditioned mind is the structure in the brain that causes separation, personnalization, individuation and time. It is the blah blah network of conditioning that has formed upon the tssk positive network, the Unborn mind, the pure mind. Both are functions of the brain. The blah blah neteork causes suffering if believed in. The illusions of this should be seen through. We must learn to be the master of it, not the slave. This is liberation. After that, the only reality will be that of the Unborn mind, which perceives through the senses all that is happening in choiceless awareness. Thinking as in perceiving and problem solving will still happen, and even better without believing the veil of the illusory self talk of the blah blah network.
It's a state of mind 😂😂
Close. The separating mind is a state of brain that needs to be ignored. Then the Unborn pure mind will reign again as intended, perceiving through the senses in choiceless awareness without judging and suffering.
It's not the brain. It's not accepting that you are the source of your reality that is the issue.
Le cerveau est le conditionnement, donc ce n'est pas lui qui aura la réponse à un problème qu'il a lui-même créé.
S'il comprend cela, il deviendra silencieux.
mais vous ne pouvez pas le forcer à devenir silence.
where is the rest of this talk? why would it cut off there?
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A person that didn’t get enlightenment talking about enlightenment (?)
Yes that is possible. A doctor can talk about how to cure cancer without ever having cancer himself. But K was liberated no doubt. Don't let peculiarities of behavior fool you, this is only about freedom from the known, not about habits.
@@paulmetdebbie447 the reason why he didn’t get even Self realisation is because he thought he is the body (the brain)....maybe you can say a non-doctor person talking that to cure cancer is impossible, (here doctor= an enlightened person, K= a non-doctor person).
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Talks import of shankara advaita in heavily accented English but claims to be rational and scientific and denounces Gurus - ok.
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