Vampire Diaries and Stranger Things are the only shows that I can think of off the top of my head that had an AMAZING first season. No “finding their footing” or having a rough “just get through the first season because the next two are so worth it”.
@@springlady8337 I do see it as more of a sitcom thing. Usually for more dramatic shows, they’ve got a good handle on what they’re about from the beginning.
@@thecornerkid402 I also think it’s more of a “when it was made” thing. Buffy and Charmed had good first seasons, but because of the time, they were very episodic. Monster/problem of the week with a looming season plot in the background. It’s not necessarily a bad thing but they definitely got better after the first seasons.
I actually liked the final season of Parks & Rec partly because it was dedicated to giving each character an individual and satisfying ending throughout the season rather than just the last episode or so.
I think what ruined it was tone of the last season of Parks. They had this massive jump to the future and it made you question whether sure it was just a closure or if there was plot to be invested in. It also didn't feel earned as suddenly they were in different points in their life.
I would agree that Mike saved the series. I had always thought it went down hill by that point but I also really loved Mike and wanted to see more of him in the series.
I think How I met your mother gets more flak then it deserves for its last season. You can not like the story, but you can tell that was always going to be the ending, one of the easiest ways is that all of Ted’s kids lines were filmed on the front end, because they never aged! kids age a lot! Look at David Henry (Ted’s son) even between season 1 how I met your mother and season 1 wizards of waverly place he is older. I appreciate that they stuck to the story they wanted to tell in a way that makes sense.
Very interesting points! I'm actually in the middle of a rewatch right now and not yet in the later seasons, so excited to watch them with this perspective in mind. - I was not sure if I was going to watch the whole video but you have a great commentary presence and great pacing. Subscribing!
Mega mega review! Loved it and hope you do more Friends content :) I always hate how they treated Joey he never gets an ending (terrible spin off aside) And I also don’t like Ross and Rachel ending up together. Her going to Paris would be the perfect arc of growth and shedding Ross who held her back in so may ways
Afraid I do not agree. Rachel did NOT want to go to Paris. She really did want to stay and keep her family together but she felt Ross wasn’t stepping up as the man in the family and so she felt unwanted. She decided the only thing to do was to therefore get as far away from the “unwantedness” as possible. She KNEW the French would hate her; she did not want to go. So when Ross FINALLY wised up and realized he couldn’t live his life without her, he took the step and Rachel got what she really wanted. A family. Everyone (but Joey) got a family and that resolved the original tagline: “Friends is a show about that time in your life when your friends are your family.” That ran its course and they grew into their own families.
@@donnasnuggs910 no need to be afraid there’s nothing scary 😉 Given that Ross and Rachel have 5 series gap where they aren’t together and are really only tied to one another after an unplanned Emma is born, and given the era the finale was released it would have been incredible and such a growth on Rachel to finish a successful, single mother, on her own, moving away from the comfort of NYC and taking on a new challenge. Falling back inline with what Ross wants and especially after his erratic/charcuterie behaviour behind to become excessive in the later series, I’m always disappointed in Rachel’s choice to go back to him. In Joey’s case, he both doesn’t get a satisfying end, he’s left on his own with no one, and the character itself is also decimated from season 6 onwards. He becomes so dumb it’s unbelievable and it ruins one of the more fun characters.
I HATE analysis of a show by someone who knows almost nothing of the show and guesses everything wrong. Everything wrong. That is a feat. Not one to be proud of, yet there you are, patting yourself on the back as you run down 10 years of work by hundreds of people.
Really interesting take on Mike
Vampire Diaries and Stranger Things are the only shows that I can think of off the top of my head that had an AMAZING first season. No “finding their footing” or having a rough “just get through the first season because the next two are so worth it”.
@@springlady8337 I do see it as more of a sitcom thing. Usually for more dramatic shows, they’ve got a good handle on what they’re about from the beginning.
@@thecornerkid402 I also think it’s more of a “when it was made” thing. Buffy and Charmed had good first seasons, but because of the time, they were very episodic. Monster/problem of the week with a looming season plot in the background. It’s not necessarily a bad thing but they definitely got better after the first seasons.
@@springlady8337 good point. I’d also argue that USA Network circa 2004 had a pretty good track record of stellar first seasons.
I actually liked the final season of Parks & Rec partly because it was dedicated to giving each character an individual and satisfying ending throughout the season rather than just the last episode or so.
@@knowledgeseeker4614 I haven’t seen it, I’m just going off word of mouth.
I think what ruined it was tone of the last season of Parks. They had this massive jump to the future and it made you question whether sure it was just a closure or if there was plot to be invested in. It also didn't feel earned as suddenly they were in different points in their life.
@@xgracedowniexI’m generally against time jumps in shows. It rarely works out. I’m nervous about Stranger Things 5.
I would agree that Mike saved the series. I had always thought it went down hill by that point but I also really loved Mike and wanted to see more of him in the series.
I think How I met your mother gets more flak then it deserves for its last season.
You can not like the story, but you can tell that was always going to be the ending, one of the easiest ways is that all of Ted’s kids lines were filmed on the front end, because they never aged! kids age a lot! Look at David Henry (Ted’s son) even between season 1 how I met your mother and season 1 wizards of waverly place he is older.
I appreciate that they stuck to the story they wanted to tell in a way that makes sense.
Very interesting points! I'm actually in the middle of a rewatch right now and not yet in the later seasons, so excited to watch them with this perspective in mind.
- I was not sure if I was going to watch the whole video but you have a great commentary presence and great pacing. Subscribing!
@@obnitor thank you. I hope to earn it.
What would you say are the best decisions the Seinfeld show made?
@@MathPiHanan That would be hard to narrow down.
@@thecornerkid402I’d still love to see it from your perspective 😅
Mega mega review! Loved it and hope you do more Friends content :)
I always hate how they treated Joey he never gets an ending (terrible spin off aside)
And I also don’t like Ross and Rachel ending up together. Her going to Paris would be the perfect arc of growth and shedding Ross who held her back in so may ways
Afraid I do not agree. Rachel did NOT want to go to Paris. She really did want to stay and keep her family together but she felt Ross wasn’t stepping up as the man in the family and so she felt unwanted. She decided the only thing to do was to therefore get as far away from the “unwantedness” as possible. She KNEW the French would hate her; she did not want to go.
So when Ross FINALLY wised up and realized he couldn’t live his life without her, he took the step and Rachel got what she really wanted. A family.
Everyone (but Joey) got a family and that resolved the original tagline: “Friends is a show about that time in your life when your friends are your family.” That ran its course and they grew into their own families.
@@donnasnuggs910 no need to be afraid there’s nothing scary 😉
Given that Ross and Rachel have 5 series gap where they aren’t together and are really only tied to one another after an unplanned Emma is born, and given the era the finale was released it would have been incredible and such a growth on Rachel to finish a successful, single mother, on her own, moving away from the comfort of NYC and taking on a new challenge.
Falling back inline with what Ross wants and especially after his erratic/charcuterie behaviour behind to become excessive in the later series, I’m always disappointed in Rachel’s choice to go back to him.
In Joey’s case, he both doesn’t get a satisfying end, he’s left on his own with no one, and the character itself is also decimated from season 6 onwards. He becomes so dumb it’s unbelievable and it ruins one of the more fun characters.
Keep it up!
You said you had an “apostrophe”. Don’t you mean an “epiphany”?
Interesting malapropism!
@@donnasnuggs910 you need to watch Hook.
I HATE analysis of a show by someone who knows almost nothing of the show and guesses everything wrong. Everything wrong. That is a feat. Not one to be proud of, yet there you are, patting yourself on the back as you run down 10 years of work by hundreds of people.