I honestly think Otto didn't go there wanting to calm things. He went himself because he knew Daemon wouldnt respond well to him specifically. And the reason I think he did this is because he knew that Viserys going there would have solved things after a chat, the brothers do care for each other in the end afterall. But Otto wants Daemon out of the picture, and if he goes and brings word back that Daemon is refusing to cooperate with Viserys's direct orders, then Vis might have to act strongly against Daemon and thats a big win for Otto. I think he was banking on Daemon not being dumb enough to roast them all since that would be the end of the road for him, Viserys would undoubtedly act then, and Daemon would be done for good. I see this as a calculated risk by Otto to get Daemon out of the picture for good, but Rhaenyra accidently saved her uncles skin by bringing resolution to the conflict.
Yes. Otto turning up with such a small guard was a very smart move. He knew Daemon's pride would prevent him from just wiping out such a small group. If Otto had shown up in force it could have gone very badly for everyone.
To add a bit more to Corlys and why he did not care about compensation for the lost ships. He is the reason his house is the richest in the realm in this timeline. Before him as today (game of thrones main time line) house lannister was the richest. However Corlys spent most of his childhood at sea, and he sailed further and more than any had gone before him. With the riches from those travels he built his house much stronger, even rebuilt their home/castle into a new one to rival Dragonstone. So he is right when he tells Daemon he built everything he had himself
@@jLachelle3 Yeah, it was announced a while back. Corlys went on nine voyages around Westeros to accumulate his wealth. He was an adventurer and got his own story in World of Ice and Fire, they'll be basing the show on that with a younger actor in the role
@@jLachelle3 I think the popularity of the show and the character will determine that ultimately but the chances are good with the show's recent success
We all hate it, but the smart decision would have been to wed Laena and join the houses. This was a bad choice on Viserys part. Otto manipulated it all and got what he wanted. Also that moment where Otto was talking about his wife to the king, he was once again manipulating him into not choosing Laena.
He just shouldn't have remarried and left it to Rhaenyra. Or he could have stripped Rhaenyra of her position and gave it to Aegon since she was acting wild.
Viserys should have married little Laena, with a clause stipulating that there would be no consummating the marriage until she was 15, then packed her back to High Tide for a couple of years so she could grow up in peace.
Not to mention the King's lack of action regarding the Crab Feeder - whose activities are affecting Corlys directly. Corlys explains this to the council in BOTH episodes 1 and 2
Exactly. The very famous Lady Margaret Beaufort, mother of King Henry VII, was married off at 12 year old, too, and she had her first and only child at age 13. Her son's birth may have done permanent physical injury to her since, despite 2 two later marriages, she never had another child. Years later, she documented a set of proper procedures concerning the delivery of potential heirs, likely due to the difficulty of her own experience. She actively conspired with her daughter-in-law to keep her granddaughter (named after Margaret) from being married to the Scottish king at too young an age. Because of her insistence, in the Tudor era royal marriages began to move away from marrying their children off so young. To be fair, MOST weren't married at 12. They did understand that girls had to have matured fully before they could "safely" (that's a relative term) have children, and it's actually only the nobles who married this young. In the middle and lower classes, men needed to be able to support a wife and family, so they had to have a trade or established working farm. This meant being of the age that they had moved out of apprenticeship (unpaid work) and into their careers. Girls of those clases tended to marry later too in order to have enough time to build up a respectable dowry. And the dowry is why noble girls got married off sooner. The older his daughter was at marriage, the bigger the dowry the father would have to provide. Depending on how many daughters one had and how limited his funds were, he might choose to marry them off sooner rather than later. It wasn't ALWAYS the reason for early marriage. When Eleanor of Aquitaine (mother of Richard the Lionheart) was just 13, her father, Duke William X, died and she became the duchess of Acquitaine. This made her one of the richest and most eligible heiresses *in all of Europe.* Since kidnapping an heiress and forcibly marrying her was seen as a viable option for obtaining a title and lands, when William knew that he was dying he placed Eleanor in the care of King Louis VI of France as her guardian, since she would be orphaned (her mother died 7 years earlier). William requested the King take care of both the lands and the duchess, and find her a suitable husband. King Louis married her to his own son and heir later that year in order to get hold of her lands. (Records of Eleanor are scarce because, well, sexism -- women, even queens, were not important at this time, and what is known about her is accounts of Eleanor largely as a peripheral figure in chronicles of the men around her. So I could not say if she had no other children before her first child to survive into adulthood, Marie of France, Countess of Champagne, who was born 8 years into Eleanor's marriage when Eleanor was 21. In the High Middle Ages, infant deaths and miscarriages weren't always recorded. So it's possible she started having children as early as 14 or 15, we just don't know.)
Otto literally said last ep, that there wasn’t a man alive who lacked the patience for absolute power, that was him projecting lol. He was so subtle this ep about planting the idea with Viserys that he should be marrying for love, and not duty.
No he says otherwise. He’s the king and he envy him, but not on the re-marriage matter. Might sounds like he’s saying that he didn’t envy Viserys, but he’s really saying I envy everything about you but your duty to re-marry.
Daemon is very much a Jamie, his entire plan in this episode of announcing his “marriage and child” was him being a petulant little shit just want his big brother’s attention because he’s not allowed to come to Kings Landing, so he’s claimed their family’s ancestral seat and trying to make his brother come see him. What he got instead was his second best option being the attention of his niece, who he adores, both in general and in that extra special Targeryen way, the person who understands him even better than her father. The key to understanding Daemon is in the distinction between his “marriage/child plot” and in the subtle threat in his last line in the last scene about Corlys not getting to speak badly about his brother. For Daemon it’s basically, the king is my brother, I can fuck with him as much as I like, because he is my brother, and I love him, if you fuck with my brother, you fuck with me, because he is my brother and I love him.
@@MiniKunoichi Although WoG is important, context also is. Martin seems to not understand very well what gray means and he is bias because Daemon is his favorite Targaryen. What are Daemon's redeeming qualities? What has he ever done that compares to Jaime saving half a million in exchange of his honor and lifelong reputation? Not only he has barely ( if at all ) done anything particulary good, his crimes are way worse than Jaime's.
@@reinsaxony4623 it’s one thing to say that an author didn’t get their intentions with a character across in their writing. That’s a completely valid criticism. It’s another to completely disregard a character’s interpretation because you don’t agree with it. I will say that Fire and Blood is a biased in world history, so Daemon’s true character would be unknown to the reader. And GRRM could just be biased. Or both can be true.
Otto was definitely there to escalate things, then forcing the King to have to kill his own brother, thus removing a threat to Hightower family, and also make Viserys more reliant on them.
Daemon did what he did to get the idle king to actually get off his ass and do something as king. Otto saw it as a chance to start shit and finally be allowed to kill Daemon, possible use it for greater things. Rhaenyra saying to Daemon that she is the person in the way for him to get what he wanted, and that he would have to kill her, hurt him deeply. Even the dragons knew there was absolutely no danger, all they did was greet each other and then watch.
You actually nailed it on the first try, the model of the intro is what Viserys builds in his spare time, and all the symbols the blood flows through represent the Targaryens family tree. Starting from Aegon the Conqueror, the blood flows from king to king and the number of offshoot streams represents the number of kids the kings had.
Yeah, just to clarify for now: Caraxes: red, very long neck, “The Blood Worm”, Daemon’s Syrax: yellow, more normal looking, Rhaenyra’s We’re gonna see a lot of dragons in this show, taking notes isn’t a bad idea.
Otto's reasons for going to Dragonstone were two-fold. Provoke Daemon into starting a war and preventing the brothers from potentially reconciling. Daemon's performance was all to get Viserys attention.
As someone who knows the story and the lore and yes I know its messed up as it since she's 12, but strategically Viserys should have married Laena Velaryon combined the two old Velyrian houses. Because him chosing Alicent will lead to the downfall of the Targaryen house and their dragons, so get ready for alot of deaths coming.
Otto Hightower was escalating because he doesn't like Daemon Targaryen. He knew that if Viserys went, the two brothers would more than likely reconcile. But if Otto himself goes, he can keep the two apart. Since Daemon is the brother that sees through Otto's lies.
Viserys failed as a King by not choosing an alliance that will help him politically and he failed as a dad by choosing an alliance that will hurt his daughter. He is a big failure already. When you pay the Game of Thrones you win or you die. There is no middle ground.
21:29 there’s no evidence at all of Daemon being inept. He might be, but he’s never really been given anything to do that could prove it either way and it’s why he’s frustrated
I would argue that what we've seen already proves he's not inept. He spent a year recruiting, training, and equipping the new City Watch, and they were overwhelmingly successful at restoring order and bringing known criminals to justice, even on their very first day being deployed. Sure, it was rather brutal, but it was effective. The city had been so lawless that criminals acted in broad daylight. Under Daemon's command, the goldcloaks put a stop to that.
Yeah as many others have said, Otto only went there otherwise Viserys (the king) would have. He’s trying to keep them apart and separated so they don’t reconcile.
We don’t ever get a reason in Fire and Blood why Craghas is called “the Crab-Feeder”. My assumption had always just been that it’s because he sinks ships and sends the crew down into the sea where crabs would eat them The show’s interpretation of the epithet is so much cooler, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it came straight from George RR Martin
I think Otto wanted to go himself and was bad about it on purpose. To make daemon even more apart from his brother if it ended in bloodshed. So he has more control over the king.
19:30...Guys have you never seen Jaws? Right at the beginning of the film, when the first victim's body is washed up on a beach, the cops find it covered in hungry crabs.
Regarding the use of crabs as a horrible means of execution, it is something that very much was done. When I was a child in England I was shown the place where they used to chain people, at a height where the tide wouldn’t go over the heads when it came in, and they would be left to the crabs to feed upon…I remember it being explained in vivid detail.
IMO, that douche OTTO doesn't want the Brothers to meet at any cost, Daemon did all those theatrics to get Viserys to come to him. If they meet, things would be resolved coz they really like eachother & Daemon would be back at Kings Landing and It'd make Otto's life miserable as Daemon would call out his shit. He went to Dragonstone to escalate things get Viserys permission to act strictly or Kill Daemon. Also Otto proposed Rhaenyra as Heir as it would be easier to Replace her than Daemon when time comes for Otto's Grandsons. That's y he's trying hard to get rid of Daemon.
No viserys means rhaenyra and daemon are very alike not rhaenyra and her mom Her mom was never involved in any matters except childbearing U can see tht daemon and rhaenyra also quite like each other
Fun fact: Viserys never reneges on having Rhaenrya as his heir, even after having sons with Alicent. Rhaenrya remains Viserys’ heir and who he wanted to succeed him. It will probably becoming clearer in the further episodes of the battle lines of the overall conflict. In your prediction, you had the first part right, the second part was way off. Speaking of 12 year olds, in the books, Sansa was a moon shy of 13 when she was forcibly married to Tyrion. She didn’t know it was happening until she was in a new dress and saw a maiden cloak. She tried to run and she didn’t kneel to be cloaked by Tyrion like in the show. It was from her POV and it was just awful. Tyrion planned on consummating the marriage but as he was fondling her, he saw that she was horrified and stopped. Daenerys was 13 when she married Drogo and it wasn’t all that happy either, she kinda glosses over it after Drogo’s death, making it palatable to her.
Viserys didn't choose Laena to be his wife. Not because she's only 12 but because she's too young to give him an heir. I think he fears that he will die soon and that his lineage is on the line. But the problem is he is choosing with his heart with Alicent rather than strategic. Otto knows Viserys' weaknesses, his intentionally putting a wedge between Viserys and Daemon as well as Viserys and Rhaenyra and Viserys and Corlys.
I also love that they kept the GoT theme. If it aint broken dont fix it :) Otto probably wanted to stir shit up, thats why he went himself. I mean, the first episode is a pretty good indicator that it wasnt gonna go well if he went. If the king and Daemons relationship turns ugly, all the better for the Hightowers plan to have the next king by Alisent.
Melisandre was born 100 BC in Asshai, she died in Winterfell 305 AC , died with over 400 years old.. The show HofD starts 172 years before the death of Daenerys.... here do you think Melisandre is currently in House of the Dragon timeline????
As icky as it would have been Viserys should have married the child instead of Alicent. Getting with Alicent means doom for the Targaryans. Alas, only hindsight is perfect vision.
Viserys' wife Aemma was going to die no matter what decision he made. The choice he is given is A) to attempt to save the child or B) leave both of their fates to the gods. Ryan Condal made this clear during the 'Inside the Episode' segment after Episode 1. So Viserys did not do anything wrong or morally corrupt. He made the only choice he could. Attempt to save the child instead of letting both mother and child die. I have noticed that this has been a common misunderstanding from the first episode. Condal should have at least written the maester's dialogue to include telling Viserys his options more than once. Many viewers think that Viserys chose his child over his wife. He didn't. This is probably the only mistake Condal may have made in writing the teleplay for episode 1. I think overall he is absolutely crushing it. Yet, he evens states during that "Inside the Episode' segment that the maester made it VERY CLEAR to Viserys that Aemma was lost regardless of his decision. I'm guessing by now he has realized just how wrong he was on this point.
i love it how Rhaenyra basically called Daemon out on his bluff to kill her to be the next heir and this whole act at Dragonstone. Whats the funny part is you know who plays Otto, he was the kicker from the Replacements LOL
Another great reaction! Only watched the first two episodes so far so just watched these vids back to back (have to wait for my HBO friend to be free tomorrow to watch episodes 3 and 4). You guys are super entertaining and insightful!
@@suddenimpulse030 well then it sounds like you’re overly sensitive and perhaps have leanings toward a certain i word lol. Think this through - it’s unlikely some cougar noble lady would jump the bones of a 10 year old boy, though yes possible. What are the chances a noble lord lay with his 10 year old wife? Much much much higher than zero.
I don’t think that Rhaenyra is disappointed in Daemon I think she admires him. Like Daemon see’s Vicerys is weak Rhaenyra is knows this also. You can tell the strong Valyrian’s, Daemon Coralis and Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra has to have her father’s back because he is King and Targaryen’s are all about the family.
It is sad but i assume there is a history like ours where if you do choose the mother to live in child birth, the mother would also die while trying to save her, so like the measter said it is an impossible decision
There was never a choice, idk why many people miss it, the mother was already dead, they could safe try to save the child, it was either that or like the maester says "leave it to the gods".
I'm thankful RUclips recommended me this channel. I didn't know you have a non Star Wars channel. Now about the chapter, I like Viserys because he seems like a good man, I believe his decision in episode 1 was controversial because he should tell his wife before they did it, I'm sure she would allow it because she wanted to give him an heir. About Daemon, he's so childish but so sexy I forgive everything he does.
I've watched a lot of reactions to this show, but you said something that really made me think. You said Rhaenera 'went rogue'. The title of this episode was 'The Rogue Prince' and as we know, the Old Valyrian word for prince could also mean princess. 🤷♀️
23:07: to be fair back then there was no real thing as underage. As soon as you’re on your period, your fair game to be used in a marriage alliance Mary Queen of scots and Francis II were chosen to be married when they were just kids
If you want to see a panoramic view of one of the locations where the filming took place (Castillo de La Calahorra) you can see it here ruclips.net/video/abe43Gol450/видео.html This will be the fortress used to record part of the attack on Harrenhal Castle?
You misunderstood the birth scene. The Queen was gonna die and so it was either let the queen and the baby die or try to save the baby which in turn would kill the queen. There was no choice to be made other than trying to save the baby.
We do have a reason, dragons may have several riders in their lifespan, as long as the previous one is dead, however, a dragonrider only bonds with one dragon, and if that dragon dies, as it happened with Viserys and Balerion, they will remain dragonless until they die
@@VictoriaTraducciones because i find this line contradicting. Fire and blood page 347: Viserys had also been the last Targaryen to ride Balerion. Through after the death of the Black Dread in 94 AC he never mounted another dragon... Does that not incline that it was possible for him to chose another ?
@@The-archaologist idk that's as far as I know, maybe there is a small chance they can have a second dragon but that has never been the case for any dragonrider that has lost their dragon as far as we have been told in the books
@@VictoriaTraducciones And again at page 355 "The king had grown soft and plump over the years. Viserys never claimed another dragon after Balerions death, nor did he have much taste for the joust, the hunt, or swordplay..." Is it not just saying he was too soft to ride a dragon again
Daemon Targaryen is not Jamie for sure I read the books he was my favouite and George said in an interview that Daemon is his favrouite in Blood and Fire just like Tyrion is in a Song of Fire and Ice that should tell you everything you need to know
Daemon Targaryn is the future husband of Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen. Together they are the heart of this story. Everyone else is just playing their parts. Dance of the Dragons is coming...
3:34 Rhaenyra is now the heir to the Iron Throne and no one on the council respects her and just see it in the scene, Otto cut Rhaenyra when she was talking and Viserys did nothing in that situation If it was Daemon he is already shutting everyone up, mainly from Otto, in the scene with Rhaenys it's Rhaenyra everything Rhaenys said to Rhaenyra is true, Rhaenyra is heir to the Iron Throne and even so she continues to give them wine, but the truth is she's participating in the council, but like Rhaenys said they won't want a woman Viserys shouldn't have married Alicent he made a wrong choice and now there will be consequences for his choice, viserys should have married Laena in the book she is At least Rhaenyra's age different from the series they put a child I don't know why they did that Probably to be more controversial because it's a child, but either way he should have chosen Laena and not Alicent and you'll realize his choice was a mistake when you watch the rest of the episodes.
My theory: Hightower was willing to sacrifice himself to keep the King safe. His daughter can't marry the the King if he's dead. Besides, Rhaenyra would have been Queen and spoil his plans.
Its interesting to see ppl's reactions to the sexual politics of Westeros. Ppl are cringing so hard coz they are judging these characters by 21st century stds of our world which I think is silly. In fact in many places in the world even today child marriages arent uncommon at all. BTW Viserys is a weak king but a good man although he's clearly making all the wrong choices to alienate his family and friends.
I like Rhaenyra and agree with her choosing Cole but I also understood Otto in this specific instance. I must admit I didn't like how she just brushed off actual solid political advice from someone who had decades of experience because she wanted to show she's in charge (and because she likes to see Cole lol). This is an ongoing theme with young Rhaenyra. She's a little bit of a know-it-all. Her older self is better at accepting advice thankfully.
I honestly think Otto didn't go there wanting to calm things. He went himself because he knew Daemon wouldnt respond well to him specifically. And the reason I think he did this is because he knew that Viserys going there would have solved things after a chat, the brothers do care for each other in the end afterall. But Otto wants Daemon out of the picture, and if he goes and brings word back that Daemon is refusing to cooperate with Viserys's direct orders, then Vis might have to act strongly against Daemon and thats a big win for Otto. I think he was banking on Daemon not being dumb enough to roast them all since that would be the end of the road for him, Viserys would undoubtedly act then, and Daemon would be done for good. I see this as a calculated risk by Otto to get Daemon out of the picture for good, but Rhaenyra accidently saved her uncles skin by bringing resolution to the conflict.
Also I think he trusted his daughter to get the "task" done.
Yes. Otto turning up with such a small guard was a very smart move. He knew Daemon's pride would prevent him from just wiping out such a small group. If Otto had shown up in force it could have gone very badly for everyone.
Exactly. Otto does everything for Otto. Driving a wedge between the brothers and blowing things up is exactly what he wanted.
@@MayhapsYes "Chaos is a ladder" head ass lol
100%
To add a bit more to Corlys and why he did not care about compensation for the lost ships. He is the reason his house is the richest in the realm in this timeline. Before him as today (game of thrones main time line) house lannister was the richest. However Corlys spent most of his childhood at sea, and he sailed further and more than any had gone before him. With the riches from those travels he built his house much stronger, even rebuilt their home/castle into a new one to rival Dragonstone. So he is right when he tells Daemon he built everything he had himself
Can't wait for his spinoff show, already a big fan of his character
@@GoliathWarfare he’s getting a spin off?
@@jLachelle3 Yeah, it was announced a while back. Corlys went on nine voyages around Westeros to accumulate his wealth. He was an adventurer and got his own story in World of Ice and Fire, they'll be basing the show on that with a younger actor in the role
@@GoliathWarfare oh nice! I hope people support his spin off since they had issue with his casting.
@@jLachelle3 I think the popularity of the show and the character will determine that ultimately but the chances are good with the show's recent success
We all hate it, but the smart decision would have been to wed Laena and join the houses. This was a bad choice on Viserys part. Otto manipulated it all and got what he wanted. Also that moment where Otto was talking about his wife to the king, he was once again manipulating him into not choosing Laena.
He just shouldn't have remarried and left it to Rhaenyra. Or he could have stripped Rhaenyra of her position and gave it to Aegon since she was acting wild.
Viserys should have married little Laena, with a clause stipulating that there would be no consummating the marriage until she was 15, then packed her back to High Tide for a couple of years so she could grow up in peace.
@@marchealgideon7916 No, he needed to remarry because if something happened to Rhaenyra they would have needed another heir.
I don’t understand how you CAN’T understand why Corlys is mad lol. Taking into consideration the young age is “normal” for this time and story.
Not to mention the King's lack of action regarding the Crab Feeder - whose activities are affecting Corlys directly. Corlys explains this to the council in BOTH episodes 1 and 2
A lot of reactors seem to feel the need to bolt modern sensibilities on to a situation in a faux medieval society where they can't possibly fit 🙄
Exactly. The very famous Lady Margaret Beaufort, mother of King Henry VII, was married off at 12 year old, too, and she had her first and only child at age 13. Her son's birth may have done permanent physical injury to her since, despite 2 two later marriages, she never had another child. Years later, she documented a set of proper procedures concerning the delivery of potential heirs, likely due to the difficulty of her own experience. She actively conspired with her daughter-in-law to keep her granddaughter (named after Margaret) from being married to the Scottish king at too young an age. Because of her insistence, in the Tudor era royal marriages began to move away from marrying their children off so young.
To be fair, MOST weren't married at 12. They did understand that girls had to have matured fully before they could "safely" (that's a relative term) have children, and it's actually only the nobles who married this young. In the middle and lower classes, men needed to be able to support a wife and family, so they had to have a trade or established working farm. This meant being of the age that they had moved out of apprenticeship (unpaid work) and into their careers. Girls of those clases tended to marry later too in order to have enough time to build up a respectable dowry.
And the dowry is why noble girls got married off sooner. The older his daughter was at marriage, the bigger the dowry the father would have to provide. Depending on how many daughters one had and how limited his funds were, he might choose to marry them off sooner rather than later.
It wasn't ALWAYS the reason for early marriage. When Eleanor of Aquitaine (mother of Richard the Lionheart) was just 13, her father, Duke William X, died and she became the duchess of Acquitaine. This made her one of the richest and most eligible heiresses *in all of Europe.* Since kidnapping an heiress and forcibly marrying her was seen as a viable option for obtaining a title and lands, when William knew that he was dying he placed Eleanor in the care of King Louis VI of France as her guardian, since she would be orphaned (her mother died 7 years earlier). William requested the King take care of both the lands and the duchess, and find her a suitable husband. King Louis married her to his own son and heir later that year in order to get hold of her lands.
(Records of Eleanor are scarce because, well, sexism -- women, even queens, were not important at this time, and what is known about her is accounts of Eleanor largely as a peripheral figure in chronicles of the men around her. So I could not say if she had no other children before her first child to survive into adulthood, Marie of France, Countess of Champagne, who was born 8 years into Eleanor's marriage when Eleanor was 21. In the High Middle Ages, infant deaths and miscarriages weren't always recorded. So it's possible she started having children as early as 14 or 15, we just don't know.)
When Otto says he doesn't envy the king, he's lying. Everything he does is out of envy.
It's a subtle way of throwing a bit of doubt in the king's mind with regard to the proposed marriage to Lady Laena.
Otto literally said last ep, that there wasn’t a man alive who lacked the patience for absolute power, that was him projecting lol.
He was so subtle this ep about planting the idea with Viserys that he should be marrying for love, and not duty.
No he says otherwise. He’s the king and he envy him, but not on the re-marriage matter. Might sounds like he’s saying that he didn’t envy Viserys, but he’s really saying I envy everything about you but your duty to re-marry.
@@AlexS-oj8qf Otto is playing him. He would absolutely marry whoever he could if it got him more power. Otto wouldn’t care.
“She’s sort of being like a stepmother about it” weelllll 😂😂
Daemon is very much a Jamie, his entire plan in this episode of announcing his “marriage and child” was him being a petulant little shit just want his big brother’s attention because he’s not allowed to come to Kings Landing, so he’s claimed their family’s ancestral seat and trying to make his brother come see him. What he got instead was his second best option being the attention of his niece, who he adores, both in general and in that extra special Targeryen way, the person who understands him even better than her father.
The key to understanding Daemon is in the distinction between his “marriage/child plot” and in the subtle threat in his last line in the last scene about Corlys not getting to speak badly about his brother. For Daemon it’s basically, the king is my brother, I can fuck with him as much as I like, because he is my brother, and I love him, if you fuck with my brother, you fuck with me, because he is my brother and I love him.
Daemon is not like Jaime, Jaime is gray, Daemon is pure evil regardless of what Martin says.
@@reinsaxony4623 You’re going to argue against what the author himself says about his own character?
@@MiniKunoichi Although WoG is important, context also is. Martin seems to not understand very well what gray means and he is bias because Daemon is his favorite Targaryen.
What are Daemon's redeeming qualities? What has he ever done that compares to Jaime saving half a million in exchange of his honor and lifelong reputation?
Not only he has barely ( if at all ) done anything particulary good, his crimes are way worse than Jaime's.
@@reinsaxony4623 it’s one thing to say that an author didn’t get their intentions with a character across in their writing. That’s a completely valid criticism. It’s another to completely disregard a character’s interpretation because you don’t agree with it.
I will say that Fire and Blood is a biased in world history, so Daemon’s true character would be unknown to the reader. And GRRM could just be biased. Or both can be true.
@@MiniKunoichi Daemon never came out to deny B&C.
Otto was definitely there to escalate things, then forcing the King to have to kill his own brother, thus removing a threat to Hightower family, and also make Viserys more reliant on them.
Daemon did what he did to get the idle king to actually get off his ass and do something as king. Otto saw it as a chance to start shit and finally be allowed to kill Daemon, possible use it for greater things. Rhaenyra saying to Daemon that she is the person in the way for him to get what he wanted, and that he would have to kill her, hurt him deeply. Even the dragons knew there was absolutely no danger, all they did was greet each other and then watch.
Otto went to further antagonize Daemon and further divide him and Viserys. This is why he was low key pissed that Rhaenyra showed up.
You actually nailed it on the first try, the model of the intro is what Viserys builds in his spare time, and all the symbols the blood flows through represent the Targaryens family tree. Starting from Aegon the Conqueror, the blood flows from king to king and the number of offshoot streams represents the number of kids the kings had.
Yeah, just to clarify for now:
Caraxes: red, very long neck, “The Blood Worm”, Daemon’s
Syrax: yellow, more normal looking, Rhaenyra’s
We’re gonna see a lot of dragons in this show, taking notes isn’t a bad idea.
Dreamfyre: female dragon living in the Dragon Pit
I think Vhagar is definitely going to be easy to remember when we see her.
I hope the next dragon we see is Meleys. I really want Rhaenys to swoop in with a surprise assist for Daemon and Corlys
@@GreenFalcon926 we did get to see a little bit of her in the trailer, she a giant girl.
*Blood Wyrm
it's Old Valyrian, so it's a y
Otto's reasons for going to Dragonstone were two-fold. Provoke Daemon into starting a war and preventing the brothers from potentially reconciling. Daemon's performance was all to get Viserys attention.
As someone who knows the story and the lore and yes I know its messed up as it since she's 12, but strategically Viserys should have married Laena Velaryon combined the two old Velyrian houses.
Because him chosing Alicent will lead to the downfall of the Targaryen house and their dragons, so get ready for alot of deaths coming.
Otto Hightower was escalating because he doesn't like Daemon Targaryen. He knew that if Viserys went, the two brothers would more than likely reconcile. But if Otto himself goes, he can keep the two apart. Since Daemon is the brother that sees through Otto's lies.
Otto wanted bloodshed that is why he went himself.
Viserys failed as a King by not choosing an alliance that will help him politically and he failed as a dad by choosing an alliance that will hurt his daughter. He is a big failure already. When you pay the Game of Thrones you win or you die. There is no middle ground.
21:29 there’s no evidence at all of Daemon being inept. He might be, but he’s never really been given anything to do that could prove it either way and it’s why he’s frustrated
I would argue that what we've seen already proves he's not inept. He spent a year recruiting, training, and equipping the new City Watch, and they were overwhelmingly successful at restoring order and bringing known criminals to justice, even on their very first day being deployed. Sure, it was rather brutal, but it was effective. The city had been so lawless that criminals acted in broad daylight. Under Daemon's command, the goldcloaks put a stop to that.
Yeah as many others have said, Otto only went there otherwise Viserys (the king) would have. He’s trying to keep them apart and separated so they don’t reconcile.
We don’t ever get a reason in Fire and Blood why Craghas is called “the Crab-Feeder”. My assumption had always just been that it’s because he sinks ships and sends the crew down into the sea where crabs would eat them
The show’s interpretation of the epithet is so much cooler, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it came straight from George RR Martin
I think Otto wanted to go himself and was bad about it on purpose. To make daemon even more apart from his brother if it ended in bloodshed. So he has more control over the king.
Yeah even the Kingsguard was looking like "Why would he say that?"
if it woudlve end in bloodshed, Otto wouldnt had made it out alive.
Mysaria understood Valyrian probably because she used to be a slave in essos somewhere.
19:30...Guys have you never seen Jaws? Right at the beginning of the film, when the first victim's body is washed up on a beach, the cops find it covered in hungry crabs.
Regarding the use of crabs as a horrible means of execution, it is something that very much was done. When I was a child in England I was shown the place where they used to chain people, at a height where the tide wouldn’t go over the heads when it came in, and they would be left to the crabs to feed upon…I remember it being explained in vivid detail.
IMO, that douche OTTO doesn't want the Brothers to meet at any cost, Daemon did all those theatrics to get Viserys to come to him. If they meet, things would be resolved coz they really like eachother & Daemon would be back at Kings Landing and It'd make Otto's life miserable as Daemon would call out his shit. He went to Dragonstone to escalate things get Viserys permission to act strictly or Kill Daemon. Also Otto proposed Rhaenyra as Heir as it would be easier to Replace her than Daemon when time comes for Otto's Grandsons. That's y he's trying hard to get rid of Daemon.
I think otto went to provoke daemon in a fight to make the king act against his brother. Like a foreal punishment.
The chances of the Queen surviving that birth were very slim to none.
Characterwise I think Alicent is older (by at least 2 years); actorwise she's 3 years younger.
Otto and Daemon are two alphas who love to see each other dead. That’s why Otto went to Dragonstone.
Otto dressed his daughter in her dead mothers dress, and sent her to comfort the king.. Kinda obvious what his plan has been all along.
No viserys means rhaenyra and daemon are very alike not rhaenyra and her mom
Her mom was never involved in any matters except childbearing
U can see tht daemon and rhaenyra also quite like each other
Fun fact: Viserys never reneges on having Rhaenrya as his heir, even after having sons with Alicent. Rhaenrya remains Viserys’ heir and who he wanted to succeed him. It will probably becoming clearer in the further episodes of the battle lines of the overall conflict. In your prediction, you had the first part right, the second part was way off.
Speaking of 12 year olds, in the books, Sansa was a moon shy of 13 when she was forcibly married to Tyrion. She didn’t know it was happening until she was in a new dress and saw a maiden cloak. She tried to run and she didn’t kneel to be cloaked by Tyrion like in the show. It was from her POV and it was just awful. Tyrion planned on consummating the marriage but as he was fondling her, he saw that she was horrified and stopped. Daenerys was 13 when she married Drogo and it wasn’t all that happy either, she kinda glosses over it after Drogo’s death, making it palatable to her.
Alicent is also 15, she isn't older.
Viserys didn't choose Laena to be his wife. Not because she's only 12 but because she's too young to give him an heir. I think he fears that he will die soon and that his lineage is on the line. But the problem is he is choosing with his heart with Alicent rather than strategic.
Otto knows Viserys' weaknesses, his intentionally putting a wedge between Viserys and Daemon as well as Viserys and Rhaenyra and Viserys and Corlys.
I also love that they kept the GoT theme. If it aint broken dont fix it :) Otto probably wanted to stir shit up, thats why he went himself. I mean, the first episode is a pretty good indicator that it wasnt gonna go well if he went. If the king and Daemons relationship turns ugly, all the better for the Hightowers plan to have the next king by Alisent.
Daemon didnt create the city watch, the city watch already existed before him. He was just the first one to give them their iconic gold cloaks.
He didn't say he created the city watch, he said he created the gold cloaks, which he did
I think Hightower kept the king back so if he died Rhaenyra wouldn't become queen.
Melisandre was born 100 BC in Asshai, she died in Winterfell 305 AC , died with over 400 years old..
The show HofD starts 172 years before the death of Daenerys....
here do you think Melisandre is currently in House of the Dragon timeline????
She’s definitely around
Crabs are scavengers 🦀
As icky as it would have been Viserys should have married the child instead of Alicent. Getting with Alicent means doom for the Targaryans. Alas, only hindsight is perfect vision.
Viserys' wife Aemma was going to die no matter what decision he made. The choice he is given is A) to attempt to save the child or B) leave both of their fates to the gods. Ryan Condal made this clear during the 'Inside the Episode' segment after Episode 1. So Viserys did not do anything wrong or morally corrupt. He made the only choice he could. Attempt to save the child instead of letting both mother and child die.
I have noticed that this has been a common misunderstanding from the first episode. Condal should have at least written the maester's dialogue to include telling Viserys his options more than once. Many viewers think that Viserys chose his child over his wife. He didn't. This is probably the only mistake Condal may have made in writing the teleplay for episode 1. I think overall he is absolutely crushing it. Yet, he evens states during that "Inside the Episode' segment that the maester made it VERY CLEAR to Viserys that Aemma was lost regardless of his decision. I'm guessing by now he has realized just how wrong he was on this point.
It's very rare you hear a tv spin-off or prequal in this case play the same theme song from the original show.
The GoT theme for GoT is what the Star Wars theme is for Star Wars. It's just not the same without it and i am glad they kept it.
In case I haven't mentioned it before, I really hate the Hightowers, especially Otto, oh I hate him! Great reaction guys! Can't wait for the next one
what otto said isn't honest. He was playing good cop bad cop with the king
i love it how Rhaenyra basically called Daemon out on his bluff to kill her to be the next heir and this whole act at Dragonstone. Whats the funny part is you know who plays Otto, he was the kicker from the Replacements LOL
I thought Otto looked wiry 😂😂😂
Another great reaction! Only watched the first two episodes so far so just watched these vids back to back (have to wait for my HBO friend to be free tomorrow to watch episodes 3 and 4). You guys are super entertaining and insightful!
I like Ser Criston Cole. The underdog always does spectacular things.
12 is not too bad, Tommen was 8 in the books when he married Margerey. The youngest Targ King married at 9-10 and his bride was even younger
It's kind of interesting how people's reactions to this stuff change when the one severely underaged is male. Lol
@@suddenimpulse030 well then it sounds like you’re overly sensitive and perhaps have leanings toward a certain i word lol. Think this through - it’s unlikely some cougar noble lady would jump the bones of a 10 year old boy, though yes possible. What are the chances a noble lord lay with his 10 year old wife? Much much much higher than zero.
I don’t think that Rhaenyra is disappointed in Daemon I think she admires him. Like Daemon see’s Vicerys is weak Rhaenyra is knows this also. You can tell the strong Valyrian’s, Daemon Coralis and Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra has to have her father’s back because he is King and Targaryen’s are all about the family.
um no, you could see it on Rhanyra when she heard the news that Daemon had stole her brother's egg that she was upset.
It is sad but i assume there is a history like ours where if you do choose the mother to live in child birth, the mother would also die while trying to save her, so like the measter said it is an impossible decision
There was never a choice, idk why many people miss it, the mother was already dead, they could safe try to save the child, it was either that or like the maester says "leave it to the gods".
Damon is unpredictable but he is not bad soul and he is really black and white when it comes to justice
Jesus finally someone understands Daemon 😭😭😩😩😩 gods im so happy! 😭😂 Daemon 🤝 Jaime
Love your Star Wars channel, but I had no clue you also did non Star Wars reactions! I’m glad I found both of your channels.
I love that you're calling out Otto as the big baddie
corlys "this is an absudity
otto "it seems my level 15 high tower beats yours level 12 baby seahorse"
lol
I'm thankful RUclips recommended me this channel. I didn't know you have a non Star Wars channel.
Now about the chapter, I like Viserys because he seems like a good man, I believe his decision in episode 1 was controversial because he should tell his wife before they did it, I'm sure she would allow it because she wanted to give him an heir.
About Daemon, he's so childish but so sexy I forgive everything he does.
I've watched a lot of reactions to this show, but you said something that really made me think. You said Rhaenera 'went rogue'. The title of this episode was 'The Rogue Prince' and as we know, the Old Valyrian word for prince could also mean princess. 🤷♀️
I WISH YOU BOTH GOOD FORTUNE IN THE WARS TO COME
I forgot how I missed the backstabbing politics of this world. LOVE the dragons!
The day the world collectively said “eww” 🤢
23:07: to be fair back then there was no real thing as underage. As soon as you’re on your period, your fair game to be used in a marriage alliance
Mary Queen of scots and Francis II were chosen to be married when they were just kids
If you want to see a panoramic view of one of the locations where the filming took place (Castillo de La Calahorra) you can see it here ruclips.net/video/abe43Gol450/видео.html This will be the fortress used to record part of the attack on Harrenhal Castle?
Ohhh... that was actually Viserys' worst decision. You'll see..
You misunderstood the birth scene. The Queen was gonna die and so it was either let the queen and the baby die or try to save the baby which in turn would kill the queen. There was no choice to be made other than trying to save the baby.
I mean if they had changed the theme people would probably just complain that it isn't as good as the original, lol.
Viserys is not a dragon rider. He never rode a dragon again after Balaerion died. We are not given a reason as far as I remember
We do have a reason, dragons may have several riders in their lifespan, as long as the previous one is dead, however, a dragonrider only bonds with one dragon, and if that dragon dies, as it happened with Viserys and Balerion, they will remain dragonless until they die
@@VictoriaTraducciones Fair enough. I did not remember that. Source?
@@VictoriaTraducciones because i find this line contradicting. Fire and blood page 347: Viserys had also been the last Targaryen to ride Balerion. Through after the death of the Black Dread in 94 AC he never mounted another dragon...
Does that not incline that it was possible for him to chose another ?
@@The-archaologist idk that's as far as I know, maybe there is a small chance they can have a second dragon but that has never been the case for any dragonrider that has lost their dragon as far as we have been told in the books
@@VictoriaTraducciones And again at page 355 "The king had grown soft and plump over the years. Viserys never claimed another dragon after Balerions death, nor did he have much taste for the joust, the hunt, or swordplay..."
Is it not just saying he was too soft to ride a dragon again
Daemon Targaryen is not Jamie for sure I read the books he was my favouite and George said in an interview that Daemon is his favrouite in Blood and Fire just like Tyrion is in a Song of Fire and Ice that should tell you everything you need to know
26:28: Never read those but idk get into Eragon
⚠️Spoiler Alert!⚠️
Snape killed Dumbledore?!?!? 😱
Daemon Targaryn is the future husband of Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen. Together they are the heart of this story. Everyone else is just playing their parts. Dance of the Dragons is coming...
That's a fucking spoiler bro
3:34 Rhaenyra is now the heir to the Iron Throne and no one on the council respects her and just see it in the scene, Otto cut Rhaenyra when she was talking and Viserys did nothing in that situation If it was Daemon he is already shutting everyone up, mainly from Otto, in the scene with Rhaenys it's Rhaenyra everything Rhaenys said to Rhaenyra is true, Rhaenyra is heir to the Iron Throne and even so she continues to give them wine, but the truth is she's participating in the council, but like Rhaenys said they won't want a woman
Viserys shouldn't have married Alicent he made a wrong choice and now there will be consequences for his choice, viserys should have married Laena in the book she is At least Rhaenyra's age different from the series they put a child I don't know why they did that Probably to be more controversial because it's a child, but either way he should have chosen Laena and not Alicent and you'll realize his choice was a mistake when you watch the rest of the episodes.
there are no good guys and bad guys in this story
Jaime didn't stab Ned Stark.
when is korra???
My theory: Hightower was willing to sacrifice himself to keep the King safe. His daughter can't marry the the King if he's dead. Besides, Rhaenyra would have been Queen and spoil his plans.
are these two brother and sister? ......or gf/bf?
You know there is another way for Viserys having a heir but it gross,fucked up and worst case scenario he could had marry Rhaenerya.
i see Anakin skywalker in rhaenyra's eye .
dew it
Its interesting to see ppl's reactions to the sexual politics of Westeros. Ppl are cringing so hard coz they are judging these characters by 21st century stds of our world which I think is silly. In fact in many places in the world even today child marriages arent uncommon at all. BTW Viserys is a weak king but a good man although he's clearly making all the wrong choices to alienate his family and friends.
I like Rhaenyra and agree with her choosing Cole but I also understood Otto in this specific instance. I must admit I didn't like how she just brushed off actual solid political advice from someone who had decades of experience because she wanted to show she's in charge (and because she likes to see Cole lol). This is an ongoing theme with young Rhaenyra. She's a little bit of a know-it-all. Her older self is better at accepting advice thankfully.
The king had to marry Alicent or Aegon will not be born
Let's not go there yet. Let them enjoy the story.
dos she have an onlyfans?
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