@@Roadshome way to many for them to be for our safety. Same as in my opinion way to many 5G surveylance grid masts that have nothing to do with downloading a movie in 2 mins instead of 5 ? That still takes 2 hours to watch
@@clarkspiemuncher24 5G is on a different frequency that only works at shorter ranges so there have to be more masts. Why this frequency was chosen is open to speculation but it certainly makes triangulating your position much more precise.
Exactly .....under the Agenda2030 PLANS they PLAN to abolish ALL unnecessary travel , that's why the airlines afe being destroyed ( by 2030 there WILL be ONLY 3 airports operating in the UK Glasgow, Birmingham and Heathrow , and also ANY journey of less than 3 miles hence the push for people to grocery shop online ) .
@@Roadshome I noticed that in "lockdown" there were an extraordinary amount of roadworks/resurfacing going on aswell as cameras appearing..not to mention the 5g towers. The roadworkers were laying strange cables absolutely everywhere. I'm literally looking for my van right now and plan to be on the road and away from society within three years, (due to funds, I'd like it to have been yesterday). What I'll never understand is who can lay a claim of ownership on our earth 🤔 Sending lots of love to every van dweller/free thinker and hoping you all stay safe and free from the Gestapo 🙏🏻
This the Home Office can do […] but stopping the dinghy divers crossing, nah… They’ve got human rights to illegally enter the UK, and be totally supported by the taxpayers?!
@@highdownmartin Short of economic migrants […] where and how? The country’s teaming with gimmegrants wandering about all over the place?! Too many bleeding heart liberal’s as well?!
I'm getting older and live at the end of a private drive, about 200 yds long. Over the past two years I've seen van after van use my driveway as their own property. I've been polite, I've asked them to leave, I don't want to involve the police, but these people are a threatening presence. Can you appreciate how an aging woman, living alone is afraid?
I see your predicament but this law is not a safe solution, it may catch you too. It's certainly intended to include you. There are already laws to protect you (some of which do need strengthening) this is the proverbial 'hammer to crack a nut' & will have many unintended consequences (possibly unintended). It will put hundreds of children into 'care' & lose many people their homes & businesses.
Need to give land for travellers to go on because that's failing their human rights,but most of hotels let free for those coming from other Countries ?
In Tennessee, US, sleeping on public land (other than a designated campground) is now a felony. Not an offense, not a misdemeanor, but a felony! You gotta love the land of the free.
And what political party controls the Tennessee legislative branch that drew, passed, and signed in into law a Bill to take away public land from the public?
This doesn't just affect van dwellers etc., It also affects Wild Campers in England and Wales, If you stray from a path and decide to settle down even for an hour or so you can be classed as a trespasser now, crazy, even If you are sitting on moorland in the middle of nowhere. I have to be honest I could see it coming for a good two years, especially in the Peak District, locals moaning about dog walkers, parking, vans stopping overnight, the list goes on. Yes there are a minority that ruin it for everyone but its been used as an excuse to take away genuine country loving peoples rights. Hence I spend my free time in Scotland now, no hassles and no stress, how long things remain good there though who knows?
If cooking my curry offends sensitive nostrils then I’ll self identify as Indian and sue for racial harassment. Thanks for this important video, the implications are even worse than l thought it would be. New subscriber 👍
I'm an ordinary person. ? I can't afford another flat. I left the house to my ex partner and daughter. Im to old to start again. I can't get a mortgage. ?
Over the years I’ve lived out of my vans for months at a time chasing the surf for two decades now. I’d find out of the way places and never left any trace I’d been, occasionally hang out with a buddy with his van. Now you mention the ‘Van Lifers’ in Cornwall…. There’s about 30 of them, sizeable rigs, taken over the entire car park on the headland at Little Fistral during peak holiday season. There’s open fires, bbqs on the road side. None of the locals can even park up there for a quick surf or bbq on the beach themselves. Saw the parliamentary act 77 notices on the vans last week. It’s not their place of residence, it is a public facility for everyone. I used to be able to park up there for a night every now and again for a dawn surf. Now I can’t even take my van to park at the beach in the mornings at Pentire headland as all vans get a ticket on the suspicion that it’s been parked overnight. That’s because the last bunch of ‘van lifers’ ruined it for the rest of us with washing lines, trash, party’s etc. If you’re a ‘van lifer’ don’t take the piss and ruin everyone else’s fun. Most of you will only live this for a year or two anyway, but for others like me it’s something I’d like to be able to do for the next couple of decades.
Hi Ian would it be possible for me to use you message to highlight what the problem is. Can I read it in a update video ?? This is exactly what is taking place all over the regular vanlife hangouts.
@@Roadshome yeah sure you can. We’ve got enough crap to deal with in this country without making it any harder on ourselves. Scotland and Europe just so much easier and more accepting, but then the campers are a bit more civilised.
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You used to see the tourist camper vans parked along beach car parks in the Med, especially Greece. They’d use the beach showers, the public toilets, wash their clothes and stay for days without dropping a cent. Couldn’t park your car for a quick dip and a glass of ouzo at the bar. Laws and locals got them to piss right off.
As an Eastern European living in UK....sometime I do wander why brits are such a slobs, so much trash on streets (especially larger cities), in my country you barely see any rubbish on streets (in general).
The travellers are camped near me at the moment and have been there for over 6 weeks different ones coming and going and nothing is done so it appears it’s just another law that just applies to honest people and not the travellers
We got some great insight into this from an ex-super intendent a year ago, and his advice was not to worry. If a copper approaches just be civil and polite, and ask if it's ok if we kip the night in the spot and move on the next morning first thing. As full time van lifers who free-camp every night, we would definitely appreciate being allowed to stay a night before moving on and finding another spot (especially if it's late). I think other full time van lifers must have seen this information also and gave them more understanding, and that's why you aren't seeing more videos about it maybe. We are in Cornwall at the moment, will keep an eye out. Thanks for the vid
Hi guys yes I totally agree and I've already had some imput from a ex police officer in the comments. At the end of the video I did state to move on if asked. I've been in my van 3 years and managed 2 full lockdown of the country without any issues. Being polite and moving on of asked is the same advice I would give. For some of the guys I know though they don't have money for diesel to move far and as you know finding parkups could take a bit of searching.
Trespass as a civil law was always a joke. As a landowner, it's about time that the law is finally protecting the landowner's rights, for their own property. A minority of people thought they could do what they wanted and leave the landowner to deal with the aftermath, at the landowner's expense. This law could actually be a good thing, as councils and landowners can now allow use of their car parks etc for overnight parking stays (for a small fee no doubt). Knowing that moving any undesirables on, will be backed up by the law. There should no longer be a need to have height barriers etc, blocking parking entrances anymore. In my opinion, If people respect the landowner's rights, then there shouldn't be any major issues moving forward.
Right to roam doesn't include any form of vehicle. Trespass is a criminal law and has been since 1865 www.outdooraccess-scotland.scot/practical-guide-all/camping
Given the millions of crimes going unprosecuted I'd wonder how seriously this will be taken, and whether you'd just be asked to move on...have to wait and see!
@@mattjagger4360 At least for social media comments the plod have been told to only investigate and record 'actual' physical threats not hurt fweelings anymore!
It's all about the right to arrest and persecute whomever they want at any time. Rather like China or Germany 1933-45. We can no longer express opinions or even protest peacefully.
"We can no longer express opinions or even protest peacefully." You have the inalienable right to do both of those things you idiot. Trespassing is against the law.
Hence why I live in France with my van., I would never take my van to the UK, Not worth wild camping and camp site fees are ridiculous, plus traffic etc., Thanks for your comments on this subject.
You say this law is intended to clamp down on travelers, it's not. The intention is to make living in a house very, very expensive. Van life let's you escape, and that's no good. If they had wanted to target travelers they've had decades. Like living on a canal, your days are numbered They want you in small flats in city centres on UBI, and that's what will happen.
Totally with you on that. And it seams most of the vanlife community believe the same. I escaped the house cost 3 years ago. I'm hopping to survive this push to make vanlife harder
Wish you luck but I'd focus on their broad intentions rather than trying to make sense of what seems random and ill thought out. It's very well thought out. Will be interesting how they deal with travellers, as they batter coppers and don't pay fines. Tyson Fury will emerge as a spokesperson for them I reckon.
This is my view to. They don’t want people to be free. They want us chained to working full time through debt and extortionate living costs. That way we are too busy just surviving to focus on what they are doing and how we can stop them.
You currently live in a country where you can be imprisoned for a joke. Senior politicians don't know the difference between men and women and equality of outcome is gaining track in the workplace. Responsible people are not in charge.
Unfortunately the Police aren’t responsible people and in relation to this act im sure you see incompetence on the polices part resulting incorrect application of the law.
During lockdown a member of a local rescue organisation was turned back from walking within sight of their house. Not all police have a sense of proportion in enforcement. As a direct result, several rescue organisations had to carry letters signed by the relevant Chief Constable declaring that their need to exercise in case of needing to rescue others was essential. Identification as a rescue member was insufficient. I can see further problems in future for everyone
I can see both sides of this. The problem is People are often irresponsible morons without a thought for others. On the one hand there are plenty of people who just want to potter around in their van, unassumedly living "free" and seeing the countryside causing no bother to anyone and this is making it difficult for them for sure. On the other hand there are plenty of irresponsible idiots that think nothing of pulling up on someones land, setting up a noisy, smelly, camp, leaving litter and generally being nuisance neighbours, and causing people who OWN the land or live nearby to be severly inconvenienced. These people have brought this law change upon the entire van life community. Also its no different in Spain, where I live. Here you can stop overnight on public land outside of a designated campsite ONLY if you do not appear to be camping and ONLY if its one night. That means no tables and chairs outside your van, no BBQ no campfires etc, and definitely no littering. You absolutely CANNOT camp on private land - even an empty field in the middle of nowhere - unless the landowner has given you permission. Big fines for those that transgress and the Police Local often go along beaches etc ticketing everyone in sight. Here we also get the added "pleasure" of idiots who are on holiday "forgetting" that those of us who live here are not. And I live up in the mountains no where near the tourist areas and we still get all night partying holiday makers renting AirBnB's etc keeping us awake into the night when we have to get up for work the next day. Not fun. Not everyone is "living the life", and many have to do the usual 8-6 routine and having noisy temporary neighbours partying all night is not fun, whether they are in a B+B or a van.
I take it you dont go on holiday then unless it is miles from anyone. By the way, most people who can afford a van are usually honest, hard working people who do not litter and care for others. Young ones in cars who have a selfish outlook on life are more apt to litter and not care about anyone else. No offence meant just my point of view.
@@paulowens2062 Yes, but if we're not in a tourist area specifically we dont have late night parties etc. I agree. But as always a tiny minority get the vast majority a bad rep.
As a former police officer I applaud that you bring to the attention of others that this legislation has passed and is now enforceable, but comes with it great responsibility to qualify things so as not to cause undue panic or fear. Every law passed has a “spirit of the act”. That it to say, it has a clear purpose and is there to solve an identifiable problem. This piece of legalisation has the obvious intent to deal with travellers, who more frequently than not, will trespass on land and not confine themselves to the highway or public land. Firstly, all police officers will receive training on the new legislation and I know from friends who are serving officers, that the training is very much focused on who it was intended for - travellers. Everyone must understand that travellers are often in groups - and it is the group behaviour that leads to unwanted public nuisance. But, there will be unintended consequences. For van lifers in one van, who are not trespassing, the likelihood of coming into contact with the police will be slim. It will happen, but not to any significant amount. But, the legislation is untested and prosecution will only follow if you are asked to move and do not. Even then, a court will have to find someone guilty and that is where, in time, stated cases will emerge that more clearly define what level of evidence is needed to prove more of the obscure offences. There are full time van dwellers and there are people in camper vans travelling for the weekend who are wild camping. This act was not aimed at them. So, cooking a curry in a camper van by someone wild camping will not automatically qualify for a prosecution. What is more relevant - and something that has been in place for decades - is that should a “local” not like the fact you’re parked on public land cooking and they call the police, any police officer could have attended and simply asked you to move, regardless of whether they had any power to enforce it. And for the most part, people will! Anything for a quieter life. The only thing that people really need to know is what they intend to do if they are asked to move at any point. If you are going to obey the request, do so. Move. Simples. If you are not, are going to stand your ground, then ensure you video your interaction and be prepared to state your case in court. The NIMBY crew are in every village, town and city up and down the country. The only thing that has changed is potentially, if asked by the police to move, they may now have more substance to enforce a prosecution upon you if you refuse to do so. I have no doubts there will be those in the van dwelling community who will indeed refuse to move and it is from those we will learn what the courts actually think is enough to prove or disprove each of these offences. As an believer and advocate of van life, make no mistake - most van lifers live quiet, unobtrusive lives. Most weekend campers do the same. But not everyone does! The reality is, there are morons in every walk of life who spoil it for the rest. There are van lifers who leave mess behind. Watching a van life video at the weekend of a car park that the local authorities allowed people to sleep in their vans overnight - well, everyone had awnings out, tables, camping chairs - it wasn’t being treated like a car park, but a camp site. Well, no disrespect intended to anyone, is it any wonder why legislation like this gets passed!? Finally, you are entirely WRONG about how you describe these offences and the important points to prove. A NIMBY walking past your van, who doesn’t like what you are cooking, does not mean you have committed the offence. You have grossly oversimplified this. In time the courts will decide what amounts to a genuine annoyance and problem for the community. I have no doubts that will require multiple complaints and evidence from the officers attending about what was actually happening when they arrived i.e. it will require there to be real evidence of a real problem to the community caused by your presence. 10 travellers vans all parked up at the same spot - not difficult at all! You are innocent until proven guilty. If you are summonsed to court under this new legislation, it has to be PROVEN in court. It does not mean you are guilty whatsoever. I remember when the harassment act was passed - what a joke piece of legislation that was! Poorly worded. Full of flaws. And this one is no different. It will take substantially more than you think to get prosecutions through a court for those who plead not guilty should they actually be charged. And let’s be honest - for those who are going to be charged, they will have chosen to go down that path because if you simply move off if asked to do so, you will be just fine.
I agree I am saying how easy it can be to use the new laws, and you are also saying how difficult it will be to get a prosecution. There are 2 sides. I think I also mentioned vans in Cornwall have been servered warning to move under the new laws. But on closer research have found these people are groups of vanlife/party goers that have taken over a large area. I will be doing a follow up to my video. Thanks for your input 👍
The other aspect to this is the force itself, the training and the people who join up are a world apart from the previous generations. For the most part, it's far worse now, sadly.
@@steveclark.. Agreed, education standards have dropped (I’ve had plenty of interactions for legitimate reasons with the new breed and it really isn’t that difficult to bamboozle them!!).
@@stefansmith7392 Many don't actually know the details of the laws that they are enforcing, that's the shocking thing. I agree that they can be complex but even when I can find out the details on knives for example, what can be carried in public etc, then why can't they?
@@steveclark.. Because the leaders have chosen a new breed of officer to train - so the animal has changed and so too has the training. The district training centres have gone and they have broadly changed every aspect of training so they are robotic and cannot think for themselves. Literally. They cannot think for themselves. It is no wonder the public do not hold them in high regard. The most laughable thing I ever witnessed was my wife & daughter seeing a road rage incident involving a knife, which they recorded on their phone. 999 dialled. Reported. Nothing heard for a year. Suddenly they need a statement. Officer attends, watches the video, records the video on his mobile phone and promptly says to my wife she may need to attend an identification parade when she has the video on her phone in her possession clearly showing the individual involved. I took great pleasure in educating the moron on the rules of identification and how it would be impossible for an ID parade to go ahead. He was clueless. Welcome to modern policing !
Yes we were asked to move last weekend, no one can now stay in the new forest overnight unless at a licensed camp site, this is being patrolled by security companies who will heavily fine you if they come across you if you don't move immediately, we got the 'knock ' at 10pm and were unaware of this law
New forest has always chased off campers. I was there 5 mins 2 years ago and had a ranger pull up and eye up my van 🤣 I had a cup of tea and moved off. I knew he would be back later 🤣
Take medical tablets , which make you drowsy as most do, then as for the persons name in case it goes to court. DONT leave litter that labels you as an Itinerant.
This deeply concerns me. Unless you are living how the Government deems you are supposed to live you are deemed a criminal. There's no freedom left. Also these laws give the police more power over protest so democracy is slowly being taken away. Also the Main stream media hype up people fears when there's no reason to be afraid of lovely van people. Best of Luck mate 👍💯
great show ive subscribed you must be the only man in the uk to make this point and you done it well so keep up the good work . this new law is going to help me out with a great impact as i own a abundant pub that has a massive problem with people parking and tipping crap on it but its in wales the problem is the council keep charging me to clean it up AND its not cheep but in the future want to turn it into a CL camper van site
I don't agree with people camping without permission on private land, certainly don't agree with anyone dumping the rubbish. But I also don't agree with council's putting in high charged just to park. A lot of campervans like the CL 's so could do well for you. Thanks for the sub.
@@alanhat5252 yes sir your right it is all part of bigger plan i totally agree i did live in a transit connect for 9 months in a car wash so i know the score believe me
Its amazing how our government can pass laws that affect the poorer population. Sad situation. I too lived in my van . The bent and corrupt system will always affect the lives of the poorer. The rich get richer and the poor get forgotten about. Sad.
If the government is going down this road then I would say the government and local councils have a duty of care to provide in areas a place where van lifers can park up for a stop over and give at least basic services. A place to cook A place to wash Options for keeping warm etc etc
If you had ever had gypsies live near you intimidate you use local hedgerows as toilets and leave the place trashed which you had to pay to have cleaned up you would applaud these new laws
Firstly, thanks for the great video. If you've been driving for some time and pull up and "rest" to have a break then it's not going to that black and white in terms of getting fined. It's in the highway code that you must rest if your tired. I can see more and more camper vans proactively going stealth and trying not to draw any unnecessary attention. Motorhomes with all the graphics etc will be a red hot target for complaints and fines, but they can have a rest too from driving so it's going to be very difficult to enforce. I agree something needs to be done to tackle the mayhem and mess the travelling gypsies/ travellers leave behind (not all, but some have no respect for the land and local community). Also, we really need to get more Aires sorted in the UK with the massive growth of campervans / motor homes in the last 2 or 3 years.
My thoughts exactly. surely it would be easy to open places to park. There are plenty of open space around service stations. Only problem with UK is nothing is ever free and always carrys a huge cost.
The posh motorhomers complain a lot about the lack of Aires in this country. Maybe it's a similar situation to the motorway services? Only two independent service stations in the country and they get rave reviews
Thanks for the info, while aware this had gone through, wasnt aware of the conditions. I live in ireland, touring uk at the mo, can see the same happening over there too
I moved from UK to Ireland precisely because of this and you're right , same thing creeping over to Ireland. I quit vanlife because of the price of fuel( well still live in my van) but have my own piece of land where I can shut the gate and have my peace. Been here over 4 years no problems.
I am so glad I'm in my later years, I really feel for the younger generations and what the future holds for them. This country has become the septic tank of the world and we are all in the shit.
This is to prevent you travelling and being independant. That's why the airports train services etc are in turmoil because its all part of a system being implimented to remove your rights to travel. And let's think about what other distractions the government have been using to do their naughties. The change of park up areas is to prevent people camping in areas such as national trust areas and areas of natural beauty. However those with money and power will have nice places to stay.
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I've just spent 2 months in Wales and England for the sole reason of using up non-Schengen days. First they change the law to stop me living in Europe so I have to go the the UK to the most unfriendly to van lifers in the whole of Europe and when I get there, they want to steal my home for trying to park somewhere for less than £20 a night. I hate politicians. At 75, could I just jack it in and add my name to the housing list. Maybe I could live in a 3 star hotel like refugees do? As a last resort, I could become a guest of HM and get 3 free meals a day and full medication for my heart problem, something I have difficulty with right now. At least I'd have a proper address C/O HMP. All I want to do is live in my van on my meagre pension and be a burden to no one but it seems the government are making new laws without thinking them through. Let's face it, who in the House of Lords goes camping, full time or otherwise?
' most unfriendly to van lifers in the whole of Europe ' Try just stopping anywhere in Italy as my daughter and her partner did then you will see who is unfriendly
@3.30 smell, cars running on high grade unleaded fuel cause a smell like rotten eggs, will they be prosecuted? I believe these laws are outside of international human rights and are therefore illegal. I live in Australia and here fisheries inspectors tried to get laws passed to say that if they said you were in a restricted fishing area then no matter were you were they were right. This ment you could be at home watching TV and the inspectors could say this is a restricted area and change you. It was never bought in because people fought it, but the thing is they tried it.
Shit, I never knew...thanks for the heads up. I'm retired and just use my van for time away and enjoyment. But I really feel for people who live on the road for the freedom it brings.. or rather used to bring! Good luck and take care out there! Regards Mick
Priti Patel put a whole raft of hostile laws through under cover of the scandals round Boris Johnson, you should try to find out what else is suddenly illegal, protesting about this law is now one of the things that's illegal.
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Just so glad we moved permanently to Spain!the Uk is finished, the government is just squeezing the sxxx out of the general public,something needs to be done soon as.
Flipping heck, I protested the introduction of this bill, and now that bill makes even protesting arestable ... By the way I recommend a read or listen to “The Book Of Trespass” by Nick Hayess Thanks for your video
🤯 that’s ridiculous! Thanks for making a video about this - do you think this all comes about to make people to buy/spend money? I mean like pay rents, pay council tax, pay for campsites?
Oh 1000% with you on the remove the free wild camps/parking and force us to use paid sites. That way the government get tax from us. But as far as I'm concerned I'll park where it's free. If I don't have a nice view so what. It's dark and I'm dreaming anyway. I don't need that view. Thoughout history kings have taken the piss out of the people until the people rise up and distroy the kingdom. Then it starts all over. The Muppets don't learn that you don't need to keep taking.
it also follows on from the Daily Mail's decades-long campaign against travelers, it was one of Hitlers campaigns & they probably picked it up while they were supporting him (yes they are that old & yes they are that nasty)
Yes many parking "offences" will probably be dismissed , surly the CPS would not waste court time prosecuting people who are trying to have a holiday. Gypsie families who turn up and trash the place are different, they are notorious for making and leaving a mess.
We live in Cornwall,we had a load of aggressive travellers take over a cliff top position and the park,the crap left behind was disgusting ,I shouldn't worry that much I should think it's mainly aimed at these large groups of travellers so the police can get rid of them, quite frankly I was suprised that there wasn't a trespass law already, we see all kinds of small vans parked up one had their washing line up the other day haha they are not doing any harm and the kids need clean clothes and you have to eat , we saw some Italians parked in the layby a few weeks ago a huge table out groaning with food I very nearly stopped and joined them.I suspect it's one of these laws that can be enforced if needed ,take care ☺
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I hope so. If there's sense left maybe, but enforcement will probably be sold off to some untraceable company that makes money by the quantity of fines levied
Simple answer to this is go and register your van with the COMMON LAW COURTS and then they have no clame over you vehical as it is no longer registerd whith DVLA . know your common law rights!!!
We have watched places that we use to visit become slowly but surely unaccessible, motivés obviously varied but, I'm not a full timer but I like to have the freedom to get away in the van and spend a weekend somewhere but it is becoming more challenging, but there's still lots of little gems out there from pubs, to private land parks ups (we have permission from owners and pay a parking fee) that we use that will keep us in our hobby and we have Europe where we now go twice a year because over there its all about where you can go and UK it's all about where you can't 🚷
Subbed.... brilliant stuff ... thanks. Im parked up on private land at the mo. Doesn't look good for my future plans.. Does any of these new legislation have reach on private land?
Been in my van because I have a dog and can't find affordable housing and housing that excepts pets.. so that's that really. Not giving up the Bob ... at the mercy of any small minded ..judgemental bigots protecting their overpriced homes value by not having any filth in the vicinity..lol
There are so many of these modern subjective laws. What may offend one person may be a delight to another. For example, I find the smell of cucumber and celery disgusting. I wonder if I could get somebody moved on for making a salad in their van.
Smoke from Fires illegal? Presumably that effects all Narrowboat users as well? Virtually all Narrowboats are heated by Multi fuel Stoves. Could be another problem!
Thinking more about Narrowboats. A CRT license is paid to cruise Canals and Rivers. There is no Trespass so the smoking Stoves are not effected by these new laws. No trespass, this law is not applicable to anyone.
Our lovely Government already plan to bann the use and sale of log burners. Is this to force the use of expensive fuels..? petition.parliament.uk/petitions/605103#:~:text=Small%20particles%20(PM2.,emit%20dangerous%20amounts%20of%20pollution.
@@Roadshome we could set up a Vanvoy, but to be honest protests don't seem to work either, plus there's laws against demos now too. What pees me off more is the lumping us together with Gypsy's, there's so much talk about correct terminology for the Gay communities but we are totally overlooked.
It's a very sad day when we need to protect ourselves with a CCTV system with audio recording, to prove you didn't drop litter (that was there when your arrived) and to protect yourself from false accusations from locals. The CCTV needs to cover 360 degrees around the van and record 24/7 with at least 7 days back up recordings. From what I can tell there is still a legal process the police have to follow but that legal process could take less than 24 hours to process before they turn up to take the vehicle away. So the safest thing to do it move ASAP when asked to. I know this is already being enforce because a single gypsy caravan that parked at the end of a dead end street overnight was moved on the following morning, within 15 minutes by the police without the gypsy's making a single argument. The moment the police turned up they started securing everything inside the caravan ready to move. Within 10 minutes a gypsy van turned up to move the caravan and five minutes later they were gone. I grew up in that street and the gated off football field was constantly being used as a gypsy camp sites by different groups. They always waited weeks until the eviction paperwork and court bailiffs turned up and kicked off before they went. Then left a huge mess. The whole system in the UK is set up to have people in the workforce. Schools are nothing more than a babysitting service so people go to work. That's why they are trying to stop homeschooling, with the new Education Bill. The same way they are trying to make everything cashless so you can't even live partially outside the system.
My sentiments exactly. I always feel like I'm having a moan when I talk like that, but reality is life has become that way because governments have become to power hungry. To controlling. Greedy.
@@Roadshome People with their eyes closed think I'm talking conspiracy theory. The facts is I literally had the school and the local educational authority tell me the government guidelines are children need to be at school so parents can go to work. I told them I was disabled and will never be able to return to work. Suddenly their attitude changed about my home schooling. I even had the same chat with the education department that enforces schools to provide additional help to individual children with extra needs and they confirmed that's the official government stance. It's not my first time homeschooling and my oldest has gone on to have a very high paid job in computer programming in the financial sector. My youngest is very bright but struggles badly with sensory overload. Fingers crossed the new education bill is ammended to allow homeschooling without the risk/threat of a criminal record and possible imprisonment for the parents.
Both myself and Sioux are very keen on home schooling. Conspiracy or what ever you want to call it government/those that control the governments are not looking out for our best interest, that I CAN assure you. 🤔
@@Roadshome I didn't comment on this video Mark, as I waited to see what type of response it got. Very interesting to see that the people who watched are aware of the government's true intentions with this. I am glad that you are of the same mindset as me Mark and the start of all this 2 years ago is the planned globalist elite control over the world population, or de population should I say. I don't watch the propaganda tv media crap and do my own research. The worst is yet to come, as I am sure you are aware and unless more people wake up to what's really going on, then we are fooked. I pay by cash everywhere and won't engage with them and their stupid new world order games. Stay away from the system as much as possible. Good vlog Mark thanks for posting!
I was in Scotland travelling for the first lockdown and paid no attention to the fake news, and Andalusia Spain at the point of highest infection rate in Spain. I am 100% sure we have not seen the end of it all. The rise in fuel price energy costs food etc. I hope people in the UK wake up. Me and Sioux dream of getting off grid permanent. The video has had a good response. A lot of interaction from viewers.
I lived on the road for near on 30 years, moved onto a boat 5 years ago now as it was just getting harder, it is a nice slow pace, after what happened in the 80's I wouldn't want to go through that again.
Thanks for the info I kinda knew it was comming . This year up in Scotland alone all folk moan about. Is about folk in there vans stopping and emptying all there rubbish next to bins and empiting the toilets in public toilets . And over walls leaving Messes. And for us who do tidy up (even if not ours) Are getting labeled it's sad. I take picture of place I park in the my gorgeous Van ofcourse . And keep place clean and when I leave I take pics . So am covered. Cause in some places in Scotland they take pics of your van and reg then try and send you a fine for littering Soz for going on 👍👍👍😜🏴🦕🦄😁✌🤞
simple resolution.... buy...or rent the land you want to camp on and pay your way in the society you choose to reside in. ... and yes.. I have had a motorhome in the past, and can see both sides. Camp sites where you pay for your pitch and the amenities you avail yourself of is the way to go if you want to travel to different places, if not, buy a parcel of land and live off grid.
I went to Scotland in June 2022 and on the NC500 all of the parking places were taken up by Motorhomes stopping for the night and even passing places on the North Coast road from Ullapool to Thurso were occupied by motorhomes so they are right to stop this dangerous practice, passing places are for what it says not for parking up and staying the night, there are plenty of camping sites on the route but some selfish individuals are making it dangerous just to travel on the single track roads. Most cars and bikes are not designed for off road so how do these selfish people expect them to pass?
Vanlifers will no doubt be seen as soft targets whilst those such as tinkers and gypos get away with it leaving lots of damage and a trail of crime everywhere they go
As with all the laws they are pushing through at the moment, it is very loosely defined allowing it to be easily abused by authorities. Which of course is the intention. How does one quantify ‘excessive’?
And if you don't you lose your home get fined and got to jail. That will mean also lose your job and your dog if you have one. May as well just put us down on the spot 😜
As long as you move on when asked by a police officer, NO OFFENCE WILL HAVE BEEN COMMITTED. The actual offence is refusing to move when asked. And remember this is for private land, so any reasonable person would surely move on anyway if asked (in my opinion)???
I lived fulltime vanlife for 7 yearsUK until 2014. Continual harassment, the knock- police, ppl who can "see it through their window" sometimes just switched off engine- police car there. Ppl complaining about " i pay lots of council tax!" Etc. If i ever did again in uk, go full stealth-no windows or exterior sign of modification. Or, buy a refridgerated semi trailor ,convert that, and have a small converted van that can be loaded inside. 2014 i bailed to *AUSTRALIA* no such problems here, and plenty of space.
How are you doing with their over zealous policing and restrictions over the past two years? Both Oz and NZ are off my dream holiday list after seeing the crazy behaviour from those in power.
@@goldilocks913 never felt freer and safer. its good in australia we have strict borders, and laws. 1st class free healthcare, and a safe environment. i wouldnt consider visiting switzerland if i was you.. there really is a police state.
@@jonsimmons4150 awesome! Just strapping bag to my Harley to go up to Inverness to overnight before going out to Orkney islands for two weeks- having a luxurious time in an old chapel 😂
That’s not good news, We have never had any problems in just over two years being full time. It is a shame that there are some people that are disrespectful, staying in one place for far too long, littering and not to mention toilet emptying in hedges etc!! We have actually seen it and unfortunately it’s got worst over the last two years. Great vlog Subscribed you 👍🏻 Take care
I don’t own a van but love following the various channels, I knew about it and don’t even live in the uk how could someone in the community not know? Unbelievable Jeff 😂
Hi Chris. Thanks for the comment. Yes we noticed they added a bit to their most recent vlog. They commented on our video a number of days ago, so they knew it was a hot topic. Here is the link to the next video ruclips.net/video/7Di7tJpya40/видео.html 🎥 It would be great to know your thoughts on it. ❤️☮️
The problem it is not just some "Gypsies" "Travellers who are problematic. A hooligan element, some with vans, some illegally camping have caused and are causing serious problems where I live on the Lizard peninsular. They are ignoring no camping, no overnight parking and no fires notices and leaving rubbish, human excrement, broken glass and lighting fires, and damaging the Sites of Special Scientific Interest in ways that in some cases will take a decade to put right. Basically they are disrespecting the environment and the people who live here.
These laws will apply to all but the gypsy community who the police are reluctant to approach .. The rest of us law abiding citizens will pay the price as usual .
I used to live in Romford Essex. An area that on the outskirts had gypsy sites as the land had been bought by them. When the police used to go onto the site they had an army of vans and cars plus armed response units hiding around the corner. Roads were closed and all this was just to go and arrest one of the people living on site. Crazy wast of tax money.
My car was blocked in my garage quite often .As this was a private road the police were powerless as this was a civil matter .In Ireland trespass was made a criminal offence and so some gypsies therefore came to the UK and caused a lot of this problem .People were fed up with the inability of the authorities to move the sites and the expense of clearing up the mess owing to the civil laws .
@@Roadshome Thanks for reply .The police said it was a civil matter because it was a private road .When I said "How would you like it ,etc " the constable agreed to have a word and got the person to remove it .Also I did say I would take matters into my own hands physically . It was a common occurrence,though . cheers
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RUclips is again blocking web links but Community Law Partnership have published an article called "THE CRIMINALISATION OF TRESPASS". They frequently act for various Gypsy & Traveler groups.
as you say these laws have been brought in because of gypsy /travellers , we only the other day had them in our local park leaving a mess "again " driving their cars around intimidating dog walkers and any locals "again" emptying toilet waste "again" as someone who wishes to live in a van myself ,I find it to be frustrating . that these people ruin it for everyone . but we new it was going to come eventually ,yes a lot of it is extreme. and and could be used unfairly , but to me if you don't make a nuisance of your self and are respectful , you shouldn't have problems ."IN AN IDEAL WORLD" only time will tell how these laws are interpreted and used
I don't think the law should be anything to worry about for most people in a van. Just respect the environment and area and be nice to anybody you see. If parking on private land then that's wrong anyway. Nobody should be littering or leaving rubbish on land they do not own. There are many laws which many of us break to a small degree, as long as police implement sensibly all will be fine. Some travellers really did need to be dealt with and unfortunately as with most laws, the good majority suffer for a minority who ruin it. A group of travellers at present are causing havoc in my local town with their dogs attacking other dogs and dog walkers, rubbish being left when leaving etc, this needed to be dealt with.
a lot of gloom and doom there. As a climber, I've been kipping in cars and vans for 60 years or more and never had a problem. Trouble is there's too many people doing it nowadays. It all started during Covid.
I've been doing the same Tony. For 30+years. I've climbed all over the world and now council's have really put the boot in to stop any adventure. I read the story of boardman and tasker driving there little van to to the Himalayas. Llanberis was once Mecca for climbing now you can't get parked. Same for stanage edge. Everything is about charging you money
A lot of people are saying the laws are not aimed at vanlife in general. The good amongst us. And it will only target the bad destructive people. Let's hope they are correct
@@tonyhoward2779 No it didn't. Many years ago I was kipping in my car in a pub car park (with permission I might add) as I wasn't fit to drive. Got woken by a copper and ordered to move on. Funny thing was, there was a lockin in the pub, so he got distracted by that. The first two people he demanded ID from were from Special Branch! He got transferred shortly afterwards lol My point is that they often gave people grief in the past despite it being a well-known caving area
I do have some sympathy here, because van life can be a good solution for many people, but the three things that are a real problem are litter, camp fires, and occupying the best locations, to the exclusion of local residents. And there's one more thing.. posting videos on RUclips that encourage other van lifers to flock to the same attractive spots. Far better to leave no trace, avoid camp fires completely, park discretely in a quiet spot rather than grabbing the best spots, and DON'T post videos on RUclips (which is making things much, much worse).
Are you nicking my next video ideas. That's exactly what my next video is about. I think it's to late for no RUclips video, it's being killed to death at mo and no wonder. People can't afford houses. Should be out Friday Eve 👍
@@Roadshome Personally, I think that van life, especially for young people, could be the only thing they will be able to afford. So it's imperative that van life isn't made impossible, though the bad choices that many van lifers are currently making.
I cannot imagine a person using their motorhome for leisure/pleasure purposes, parking in sensible locations will fall foul of this legislation. It seems pretty obvious to me it is aimed at the traveler community that travel in herds causing mayhem and anti-social disruption.
Interesting development that will of course be abused. And of course, our self-appointed shepherds can't have the herd wandering off doing as they like. No idea how old I was when first encountering "trespass" but I only came up to my dad's knee so not very, maybe 3 or less. Walking on a public footpath over a farmer's field. Said farmer stood a few yards away with a shotgun over his arm and ordered my dad to walk around the field. My dad told him no, the footpath goes across the field which you shouldn't have ploughed. The farmer then cocked and aimed his gun at us, ordering again. My dad pushed me behind him and kept walking sideways to keep me covered, kicking the crop in the middle of the already worn footpath, it was that well used, as he went until the dick gave up and lowered his gun. Still have a bit of a gun phobia to this day. Next was just before NVQs came in and I was working at a training facility, first ever job, that was testing it's implementation. One of the courses we offered was general MAFF stuff as well as a couple of specifics and the trainer needed his lessons plan typed up and printed. No clue himself, older bloke who went like a rabbit in headlights just looking at a computer, but he was a nice guy so I did it for him. Learned a lot about trespass copy pasting all that. The last time, place I now live has a green over the road, few trees dotted and pretty big area of grass. Looked out to see half a dozen vans arriving during the day and people start camping. Weird, camp site round the corner but meh, they were quiet and not bothering anyone, unlike the idiot on the motorbike revving it at a million decibels 20x a day or the lesbian couple over the way who decide to have a screeching match with each other after midnight at least once a month, until they finally moved. Certainly not as bad as one neighbour in my building who would ring my bell in the wee small hours, despite my kids sleeping, asking for me to buzz her into the building because she forget her key, again. Thank god she moved eventually too. When the vans left, however, they also left a massive pile of rubbish where they stayed. Wouldn't mind but we have external bins round back they could have used. Never complained about any of the above though. If I complained about annoyances I'd do nothing but. I just get on with it and react only when someone gets in my face, all personal. Know who does complain? 'Karens' and assorted other perpetually indignant people who think they're better or more entitled than everyone else. Not that legit concerns never happen because it's the very same sort of people who spoil it for everyone else from the other end. Wish they'd all just eff off and leave the rest of us alone, maybe have a thought in their tiny minds now and then that doesn't revolve around themselves. Still, gives the cops something else easy to do aside from policing social media for words that hurt feefees cuz that exact same sort spend their time looking for virtual trouble when they aren't literally curtain twitching in self-induced outrage.
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its not just about gypsies and van lifers. its to make traveling as difficult for everyone as the government want to control everything you do.
I agree. I wonder how many people have noticed the number of cameras going up
@@Roadshome way to many for them to be for our safety. Same as in my opinion way to many 5G surveylance grid masts that have nothing to do with downloading a movie in 2 mins instead of 5 ? That still takes 2 hours to watch
@@clarkspiemuncher24 5G is on a different frequency that only works at shorter ranges so there have to be more masts. Why this frequency was chosen is open to speculation but it certainly makes triangulating your position much more precise.
Exactly .....under the Agenda2030 PLANS they PLAN to abolish ALL unnecessary travel , that's why the airlines afe being destroyed ( by 2030 there WILL be ONLY 3 airports operating in the UK Glasgow, Birmingham and Heathrow , and also ANY journey of less than 3 miles hence the push for people to grocery shop online ) .
@@Roadshome I noticed that in "lockdown" there were an extraordinary amount of roadworks/resurfacing going on aswell as cameras appearing..not to mention the 5g towers.
The roadworkers were laying strange cables absolutely everywhere.
I'm literally looking for my van right now and plan to be on the road and away from society within three years, (due to funds, I'd like it to have been yesterday).
What I'll never understand is who can lay a claim of ownership on our earth 🤔
Sending lots of love to every van dweller/free thinker and hoping you all stay safe and free from the Gestapo 🙏🏻
This the Home Office can do […] but stopping the dinghy divers crossing, nah… They’ve got human rights to illegally enter the UK, and be totally supported by the taxpayers?!
Only if they are genuine asylum seekers not if they're just economic migrants.
@@heliotropezzz333 we’re a bit short of economic migrant workers right now, in case you hadn’t noticed. About 100 , 000 jobs!
@@highdownmartin I know. Personally I think they should be allowed to work but I was just correcting an inaccuracy in the first comment.
@@heliotropezzz333 No inaccuracies in the first comment […] and only gimmegrants coming across from war torn France and the EUSSR?! Deary….
@@highdownmartin Short of economic migrants […] where and how? The country’s teaming with gimmegrants wandering about all over the place?! Too many bleeding heart liberal’s as well?!
I'm getting older and live at the end of a private drive, about 200 yds long. Over the past two years I've seen van after van use my driveway as their own property. I've been polite, I've asked them to leave, I don't want to involve the police, but these people are a threatening presence. Can you appreciate how an aging woman, living alone is afraid?
I can and if it's private property I'd say you should put up a sign and if they still park call the police. I only park in public spaces.
I see your predicament but this law is not a safe solution, it may catch you too. It's certainly intended to include you.
There are already laws to protect you (some of which do need strengthening) this is the proverbial 'hammer to crack a nut' & will have many unintended consequences (possibly unintended). It will put hundreds of children into 'care' & lose many people their homes & businesses.
Need to give land for travellers to go on because that's failing their human rights,but most of hotels let free for those coming from other Countries ?
Robbing public as usual instead of serving,govt man made concept need to go about control Alot of it,hope not more bullying on public excuse for
@@cheriecollins3848 why should travellers be given special treatment- especially travellers who were not born here?
In Tennessee, US, sleeping on public land (other than a designated campground) is now a felony. Not an offense, not a misdemeanor, but a felony! You gotta love the land of the free.
id love to here that all land theifs have been shot dead., the land is there for all to share not to be owned.
@Karl with a K yes it will.
@Karl with a K no ,very soon ,less than twenty years.
@Karl with a K that is whare you are wrong .
And what political party controls the Tennessee legislative branch that drew, passed, and signed in into law a Bill to take away public land from the public?
This doesn't just affect van dwellers etc., It also affects Wild Campers in England and Wales, If you stray from a path and decide to settle down even for an hour or so you can be classed as a trespasser now, crazy, even If you are sitting on moorland in the middle of nowhere. I have to be honest I could see it coming for a good two years, especially in the Peak District, locals moaning about dog walkers, parking, vans stopping overnight, the list goes on. Yes there are a minority that ruin it for everyone but its been used as an excuse to take away genuine country loving peoples rights. Hence I spend my free time in Scotland now, no hassles and no stress, how long things remain good there though who knows?
If cooking my curry offends sensitive nostrils then I’ll self identify as Indian and sue for racial harassment.
Thanks for this important video, the implications are even worse than l thought it would be. New subscriber 👍
Giving the authoritarians more power to make ordinary people’s lives more difficult.
@Richard Fox not all of them.
I'm an ordinary person. ? I can't afford another flat. I left the house to my ex partner and daughter. Im to old to start again. I can't get a mortgage. ?
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@Richard Fox If you can afford a house or flat! I'm a Barrister and I live on a Narrowboat in London, is that okay with you sir?
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Over the years I’ve lived out of my vans for months at a time chasing the surf for two decades now. I’d find out of the way places and never left any trace I’d been, occasionally hang out with a buddy with his van. Now you mention the ‘Van Lifers’ in Cornwall…. There’s about 30 of them, sizeable rigs, taken over the entire car park on the headland at Little Fistral during peak holiday season. There’s open fires, bbqs on the road side. None of the locals can even park up there for a quick surf or bbq on the beach themselves. Saw the parliamentary act 77 notices on the vans last week. It’s not their place of residence, it is a public facility for everyone. I used to be able to park up there for a night every now and again for a dawn surf. Now I can’t even take my van to park at the beach in the mornings at Pentire headland as all vans get a ticket on the suspicion that it’s been parked overnight. That’s because the last bunch of ‘van lifers’ ruined it for the rest of us with washing lines, trash, party’s etc.
If you’re a ‘van lifer’ don’t take the piss and ruin everyone else’s fun. Most of you will only live this for a year or two anyway, but for others like me it’s something I’d like to be able to do for the next couple of decades.
Hi Ian would it be possible for me to use you message to highlight what the problem is. Can I read it in a update video ?? This is exactly what is taking place all over the regular vanlife hangouts.
@@Roadshome yeah sure you can. We’ve got enough crap to deal with in this country without making it any harder on ourselves. Scotland and Europe just so much easier and more accepting, but then the campers are a bit more civilised.
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You used to see the tourist camper vans parked along beach car parks in the Med, especially Greece. They’d use the beach showers, the public toilets, wash their clothes and stay for days without dropping a cent. Couldn’t park your car for a quick dip and a glass of ouzo at the bar. Laws and locals got them to piss right off.
As an Eastern European living in UK....sometime I do wander why brits are such a slobs, so much trash on streets (especially larger cities), in my country you barely see any rubbish on streets (in general).
The travellers are camped near me at the moment and have been there for over 6 weeks different ones coming and going and nothing is done so it appears it’s just another law that just applies to honest people and not the travellers
Police do seam to be scared to approach traveller sites unless they are in big numbers
@@Roadshome Often travellers are the ones getting bullied etc too,different sides to every situation
@@Roadshome police literally sat and watched them break into a playing field in rugby as they got threatened
We got some great insight into this from an ex-super intendent a year ago, and his advice was not to worry. If a copper approaches just be civil and polite, and ask if it's ok if we kip the night in the spot and move on the next morning first thing.
As full time van lifers who free-camp every night, we would definitely appreciate being allowed to stay a night before moving on and finding another spot (especially if it's late).
I think other full time van lifers must have seen this information also and gave them more understanding, and that's why you aren't seeing more videos about it maybe.
We are in Cornwall at the moment, will keep an eye out. Thanks for the vid
Hi guys yes I totally agree and I've already had some imput from a ex police officer in the comments. At the end of the video I did state to move on if asked. I've been in my van 3 years and managed 2 full lockdown of the country without any issues. Being polite and moving on of asked is the same advice I would give. For some of the guys I know though they don't have money for diesel to move far and as you know finding parkups could take a bit of searching.
HEAR HEAR someone who knows what there talking about well done Liam.
Trespass as a civil law was always a joke. As a landowner, it's about time that the law is finally protecting the landowner's rights, for their own property. A minority of people thought they could do what they wanted and leave the landowner to deal with the aftermath, at the landowner's expense. This law could actually be a good thing, as councils and landowners can now allow use of their car parks etc for overnight parking stays (for a small fee no doubt). Knowing that moving any undesirables on, will be backed up by the law. There should no longer be a need to have height barriers etc, blocking parking entrances anymore. In my opinion, If people respect the landowner's rights, then there shouldn't be any major issues moving forward.
Only 8 % of the Landis accessible to the public in this country ,, th as what is not acceptable a right to roam as in Scotland is what we need,
Right to roam doesn't include any form of vehicle. Trespass is a criminal law and has been since 1865 www.outdooraccess-scotland.scot/practical-guide-all/camping
Given the millions of crimes going unprosecuted I'd wonder how seriously this will be taken, and whether you'd just be asked to move on...have to wait and see!
@@LoremIpsum1970 the no1 police interest in this age is hurt feelings. So I imagine this will be enforced thoroughly.
@@mattjagger4360 At least for social media comments the plod have been told to only investigate and record 'actual' physical threats not hurt fweelings anymore!
It's all about the right to arrest and persecute whomever they want at any time. Rather like China or Germany 1933-45. We can no longer express opinions or even protest peacefully.
"We can no longer express opinions or even protest peacefully."
You have the inalienable right to do both of those things you idiot.
Trespassing is against the law.
Hence why I live in France with my van., I would never take my van to the UK, Not worth wild camping and camp site fees are ridiculous, plus traffic etc., Thanks for your comments on this subject.
What the hell is wild camping ha ha ha new middle class name like wild swimming
🤣 I agree camping for me is in a tent ⛺
Good to know, cheers for the heads up!
You say this law is intended to clamp down on travelers, it's not.
The intention is to make living in a house very, very expensive.
Van life let's you escape, and that's no good.
If they had wanted to target travelers they've had decades.
Like living on a canal, your days are numbered
They want you in small flats in city centres on UBI, and that's what will happen.
Totally with you on that. And it seams most of the vanlife community believe the same. I escaped the house cost 3 years ago. I'm hopping to survive this push to make vanlife harder
Wish you luck but I'd focus on their broad intentions rather than trying to make sense of what seems random and ill thought out.
It's very well thought out.
Will be interesting how they deal with travellers, as they batter coppers and don't pay fines.
Tyson Fury will emerge as a spokesperson for them I reckon.
This is my view to. They don’t want people to be free. They want us chained to working full time through debt and extortionate living costs. That way we are too busy just surviving to focus on what they are doing and how we can stop them.
They want you locked down and under control . Freedom is a luxury only for the rich
If the law is applied proportionately, I don’t see the problem. All laws can be enforced in extremis but rarely are. Responsible people should be OK.
You currently live in a country where you can be imprisoned for a joke. Senior politicians don't know the difference between men and women and equality of outcome is gaining track in the workplace. Responsible people are not in charge.
I can't believe how many of you guys have the same mind set as me.it makes me smile. Like talking to myself ☺️
Unfortunately the Police aren’t responsible people and in relation to this act im sure you see incompetence on the polices part resulting incorrect application of the law.
During lockdown a member of a local rescue organisation was turned back from walking within sight of their house. Not all police have a sense of proportion in enforcement. As a direct result, several rescue organisations had to carry letters signed by the relevant Chief Constable declaring that their need to exercise in case of needing to rescue others was essential. Identification as a rescue member was insufficient. I can see further problems in future for everyone
I can see both sides of this. The problem is People are often irresponsible morons without a thought for others.
On the one hand there are plenty of people who just want to potter around in their van, unassumedly living "free" and seeing the countryside causing no bother to anyone and this is making it difficult for them for sure. On the other hand there are plenty of irresponsible idiots that think nothing of pulling up on someones land, setting up a noisy, smelly, camp, leaving litter and generally being nuisance neighbours, and causing people who OWN the land or live nearby to be severly inconvenienced. These people have brought this law change upon the entire van life community.
Also its no different in Spain, where I live. Here you can stop overnight on public land outside of a designated campsite ONLY if you do not appear to be camping and ONLY if its one night. That means no tables and chairs outside your van, no BBQ no campfires etc, and definitely no littering. You absolutely CANNOT camp on private land - even an empty field in the middle of nowhere - unless the landowner has given you permission. Big fines for those that transgress and the Police Local often go along beaches etc ticketing everyone in sight.
Here we also get the added "pleasure" of idiots who are on holiday "forgetting" that those of us who live here are not. And I live up in the mountains no where near the tourist areas and we still get all night partying holiday makers renting AirBnB's etc keeping us awake into the night when we have to get up for work the next day. Not fun.
Not everyone is "living the life", and many have to do the usual 8-6 routine and having noisy temporary neighbours partying all night is not fun, whether they are in a B+B or a van.
Some different points (your reality) to take into account
land owners are land theifs, the land is there for all to share but not for litter louts or enviromental terrorists or vandles.
I take it you dont go on holiday then unless it is miles from anyone. By the way, most people who can afford a van are usually honest, hard working people who do not litter and care for others. Young ones in cars who have a selfish outlook on life are more apt to litter and not care about anyone else. No offence meant just my point of view.
@@paulowens2062 Yes, but if we're not in a tourist area specifically we dont have late night parties etc.
I agree. But as always a tiny minority get the vast majority a bad rep.
As a former police officer I applaud that you bring to the attention of others that this legislation has passed and is now enforceable, but comes with it great responsibility to qualify things so as not to cause undue panic or fear. Every law passed has a “spirit of the act”. That it to say, it has a clear purpose and is there to solve an identifiable problem. This piece of legalisation has the obvious intent to deal with travellers, who more frequently than not, will trespass on land and not confine themselves to the highway or public land. Firstly, all police officers will receive training on the new legislation and I know from friends who are serving officers, that the training is very much focused on who it was intended for - travellers. Everyone must understand that travellers are often in groups - and it is the group behaviour that leads to unwanted public nuisance. But, there will be unintended consequences. For van lifers in one van, who are not trespassing, the likelihood of coming into contact with the police will be slim. It will happen, but not to any significant amount. But, the legislation is untested and prosecution will only follow if you are asked to move and do not. Even then, a court will have to find someone guilty and that is where, in time, stated cases will emerge that more clearly define what level of evidence is needed to prove more of the obscure offences. There are full time van dwellers and there are people in camper vans travelling for the weekend who are wild camping. This act was not aimed at them. So, cooking a curry in a camper van by someone wild camping will not automatically qualify for a prosecution. What is more relevant - and something that has been in place for decades - is that should a “local” not like the fact you’re parked on public land cooking and they call the police, any police officer could have attended and simply asked you to move, regardless of whether they had any power to enforce it. And for the most part, people will! Anything for a quieter life. The only thing that people really need to know is what they intend to do if they are asked to move at any point. If you are going to obey the request, do so. Move. Simples. If you are not, are going to stand your ground, then ensure you video your interaction and be prepared to state your case in court. The NIMBY crew are in every village, town and city up and down the country. The only thing that has changed is potentially, if asked by the police to move, they may now have more substance to enforce a prosecution upon you if you refuse to do so. I have no doubts there will be those in the van dwelling community who will indeed refuse to move and it is from those we will learn what the courts actually think is enough to prove or disprove each of these offences. As an believer and advocate of van life, make no mistake - most van lifers live quiet, unobtrusive lives. Most weekend campers do the same. But not everyone does! The reality is, there are morons in every walk of life who spoil it for the rest. There are van lifers who leave mess behind. Watching a van life video at the weekend of a car park that the local authorities allowed people to sleep in their vans overnight - well, everyone had awnings out, tables, camping chairs - it wasn’t being treated like a car park, but a camp site. Well, no disrespect intended to anyone, is it any wonder why legislation like this gets passed!? Finally, you are entirely WRONG about how you describe these offences and the important points to prove. A NIMBY walking past your van, who doesn’t like what you are cooking, does not mean you have committed the offence. You have grossly oversimplified this. In time the courts will decide what amounts to a genuine annoyance and problem for the community. I have no doubts that will require multiple complaints and evidence from the officers attending about what was actually happening when they arrived i.e. it will require there to be real evidence of a real problem to the community caused by your presence. 10 travellers vans all parked up at the same spot - not difficult at all! You are innocent until proven guilty. If you are summonsed to court under this new legislation, it has to be PROVEN in court. It does not mean you are guilty whatsoever. I remember when the harassment act was passed - what a joke piece of legislation that was! Poorly worded. Full of flaws. And this one is no different. It will take substantially more than you think to get prosecutions through a court for those who plead not guilty should they actually be charged. And let’s be honest - for those who are going to be charged, they will have chosen to go down that path because if you simply move off if asked to do so, you will be just fine.
I agree I am saying how easy it can be to use the new laws, and you are also saying how difficult it will be to get a prosecution. There are 2 sides. I think I also mentioned vans in Cornwall have been servered warning to move under the new laws. But on closer research have found these people are groups of vanlife/party goers that have taken over a large area. I will be doing a follow up to my video. Thanks for your input 👍
The other aspect to this is the force itself, the training and the people who join up are a world apart from the previous generations. For the most part, it's far worse now, sadly.
@@steveclark.. Agreed, education standards have dropped (I’ve had plenty of interactions for legitimate reasons with the new breed and it really isn’t that difficult to bamboozle them!!).
@@stefansmith7392 Many don't actually know the details of the laws that they are enforcing, that's the shocking thing. I agree that they can be complex but even when I can find out the details on knives for example, what can be carried in public etc, then why can't they?
@@steveclark.. Because the leaders have chosen a new breed of officer to train - so the animal has changed and so too has the training. The district training centres have gone and they have broadly changed every aspect of training so they are robotic and cannot think for themselves. Literally. They cannot think for themselves. It is no wonder the public do not hold them in high regard. The most laughable thing I ever witnessed was my wife & daughter seeing a road rage incident involving a knife, which they recorded on their phone. 999 dialled. Reported. Nothing heard for a year. Suddenly they need a statement. Officer attends, watches the video, records the video on his mobile phone and promptly says to my wife she may need to attend an identification parade when she has the video on her phone in her possession clearly showing the individual involved. I took great pleasure in educating the moron on the rules of identification and how it would be impossible for an ID parade to go ahead. He was clueless. Welcome to modern policing !
Yes we were asked to move last weekend, no one can now stay in the new forest overnight unless at a licensed camp site, this is being patrolled by security companies who will heavily fine you if they come across you if you don't move immediately, we got the 'knock ' at 10pm and were unaware of this law
New forest has always chased off campers. I was there 5 mins 2 years ago and had a ranger pull up and eye up my van 🤣 I had a cup of tea and moved off. I knew he would be back later 🤣
Take medical tablets , which make you drowsy as most do, then as for the persons name in case it goes to court. DONT leave litter that labels you as an Itinerant.
This deeply concerns me. Unless you are living how the Government deems you are supposed to live you are deemed a criminal. There's no freedom left. Also these laws give the police more power over protest so democracy is slowly being taken away. Also the Main stream media hype up people fears when there's no reason to be afraid of lovely van people. Best of Luck mate 👍💯
Great points and concerns !
Meny thanks for the heads up ,,,,,be lucky,,,
Thanks for the heads up.
Some good info here. And great intro love it.
great show ive subscribed you must be the only man in the uk to make this point and you done it well so keep up the good work . this new law is going to help me out with a great impact as i own a abundant pub that has a massive problem
with people parking and tipping crap on it but its in wales the problem is the council keep charging me to clean it up AND
its not cheep but in the future want to turn it into a CL camper van site
I don't agree with people camping without permission on private land, certainly don't agree with anyone dumping the rubbish. But I also don't agree with council's putting in high charged just to park. A lot of campervans like the CL 's so could do well for you. Thanks for the sub.
Well keep my email and if you’re ever stuck in Wales LL40 postcode you can stay at. Mine for as long as you need
@@martinjones7631 this law may help you out but it's intended to take homes & businesses from people & put their children into 'care'.
@@alanhat5252 please explain how the law is designed to take "homes and businesses from people and put children into care." Genuine question.
@@alanhat5252 yes sir your right it is all part of bigger plan i totally agree i did live in a transit connect for 9 months in a car wash
so i know the score believe me
Its amazing how our government can pass laws that affect the poorer population. Sad situation. I too lived in my van . The bent and corrupt system will always affect the lives of the poorer. The rich get richer and the poor get forgotten about. Sad.
I don’t take notice of anything Parliament say these days. Including this.
Good luck.
@@alanhat5252 knowledge is power. No luck is needed.
Me Neither......Stealth camping Rules OK.!!!!!
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If the government is going down this road then I would say the government and local councils have a duty of care to provide in areas a place where van lifers can park up for a stop over and give at least basic services.
A place to cook
A place to wash
Options for keeping warm etc etc
Free places or very cheap. £15 a night isn't cheap and most full timers won't pay these amounts 👍
They won't even provide public toilets in some areas. They thought that would increase local businesses trade but it's gone predictably badly wrong
We are not left alone any more this county is like living in Russia now
You make me laugh comrade Michael 🤣
More like communist China
Well the government has been funded by Russian money for years
....I think you mean like living in Europe 🤣🤣🤣
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If you had ever had gypsies live near you intimidate you use local hedgerows as toilets and leave the place trashed which you had to pay to have cleaned up you would applaud these new laws
Can people that have a bad smell coming from their armpits be subjected to these same laws?
Good post. Where's the housing solutions? Quality of life for landed gentry!
I'd like to ask the council's that's 🤷🏻♂️
Firstly, thanks for the great video. If you've been driving for some time and pull up and "rest" to have a break then it's not going to that black and white in terms of getting fined. It's in the highway code that you must rest if your tired. I can see more and more camper vans proactively going stealth and trying not to draw any unnecessary attention. Motorhomes with all the graphics etc will be a red hot target for complaints and fines, but they can have a rest too from driving so it's going to be very difficult to enforce. I agree something needs to be done to tackle the mayhem and mess the travelling gypsies/ travellers leave behind (not all, but some have no respect for the land and local community). Also, we really need to get more Aires sorted in the UK with the massive growth of campervans / motor homes in the last 2 or 3 years.
My thoughts exactly. surely it would be easy to open places to park. There are plenty of open space around service stations. Only problem with UK is nothing is ever free and always carrys a huge cost.
The posh motorhomers complain a lot about the lack of Aires in this country. Maybe it's a similar situation to the motorway services? Only two independent service stations in the country and they get rave reviews
Thanks for the info, while aware this had gone through, wasnt aware of the conditions. I live in ireland, touring uk at the mo, can see the same happening over there too
I moved from UK to Ireland precisely because of this and you're right , same thing creeping over to Ireland. I quit vanlife because of the price of fuel( well still live in my van) but have my own piece of land where I can shut the gate and have my peace. Been here over 4 years no problems.
wild camping is allowed anywhere in ROI especially at the coast
A lot of places have been putting up no parking overnight signs lately
Yeah I've seen them. And that's the problem. If everywhere does the same we are left with no where to move to.
I am so glad I'm in my later years, I really feel for the younger generations and what the future holds for them. This country has become the septic tank of the world and we are all in the shit.
This is to prevent you travelling and being independant. That's why the airports train services etc are in turmoil because its all part of a system being implimented to remove your rights to travel.
And let's think about what other distractions the government have been using to do their naughties.
The change of park up areas is to prevent people camping in areas such as national trust areas and areas of natural beauty. However those with money and power will have nice places to stay.
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I've just spent 2 months in Wales and England for the sole reason of using up non-Schengen days.
First they change the law to stop me living in Europe so I have to go the the UK to the most unfriendly to van lifers in the whole of Europe and when I get there, they want to steal my home for trying to park somewhere for less than £20 a night. I hate politicians.
At 75, could I just jack it in and add my name to the housing list. Maybe I could live in a 3 star hotel like refugees do? As a last resort, I could become a guest of HM and get 3 free meals a day and full medication for my heart problem, something I have difficulty with right now. At least I'd have a proper address C/O HMP.
All I want to do is live in my van on my meagre pension and be a burden to no one but it seems the government are making new laws without thinking them through. Let's face it, who in the House of Lords goes camping, full time or otherwise?
Oh they are thinking them through alright check out the new education and the human rights bill . They are coming for all of us that try to be free
@@filmfam7244 it's not just the UK though. Many countries are heading towards fascism.
' most unfriendly to van lifers in the whole of Europe ' Try just stopping anywhere in Italy as my daughter and her partner did then you will see who is unfriendly
@@AbdulAbulbulAmir yes indeed my friend the world is feeling less free every day
@3.30 smell, cars running on high grade unleaded fuel cause a smell like rotten eggs, will they be prosecuted? I believe these laws are outside of international human rights and are therefore illegal. I live in Australia and here fisheries inspectors tried to get laws passed to say that if they said you were in a restricted fishing area then no matter were you were they were right. This ment you could be at home watching TV and the inspectors could say this is a restricted area and change you. It was never bought in because people fought it, but the thing is they tried it.
that's the catalytic converter causing the eggy smell , quite normal
It's my dog in my van. 🤣
🦋Thank you for letting us know , I will share with friends ... we did not know anything about it .. forewarned forearmed
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Shit, I never knew...thanks for the heads up. I'm retired and just use my van for time away and enjoyment. But I really feel for people who live on the road for the freedom it brings.. or rather used to bring! Good luck and take care out there! Regards Mick
A lot of people feel like I do it won't affect the average decent person. I don't bother anyone, stay quite and away from crowds mainly.
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Priti Patel put a whole raft of hostile laws through under cover of the scandals round Boris Johnson, you should try to find out what else is suddenly illegal, protesting about this law is now one of the things that's illegal.
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@@Roadshome Cheers. Will look out for them. This new law in the UK is a stark contrast to the situation in many European countries isn’t it?
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Just so glad we moved permanently to Spain!the Uk is finished, the government is just squeezing the sxxx out of the general public,something needs to be done soon as.
My thoughts are the same.
People are too busy watching Love Island to notice ..
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Flipping heck, I protested the introduction of this bill, and now that bill makes even protesting arestable ... By the way I recommend a read or listen to “The Book Of Trespass” by Nick Hayess
Thanks for your video
🤯 that’s ridiculous! Thanks for making a video about this - do you think this all comes about to make people to buy/spend money? I mean like pay rents, pay council tax, pay for campsites?
Oh 1000% with you on the remove the free wild camps/parking and force us to use paid sites. That way the government get tax from us. But as far as I'm concerned I'll park where it's free. If I don't have a nice view so what. It's dark and I'm dreaming anyway. I don't need that view. Thoughout history kings have taken the piss out of the people until the people rise up and distroy the kingdom. Then it starts all over. The Muppets don't learn that you don't need to keep taking.
no, it's to criminalize the people they've made homeless.
it also follows on from the Daily Mail's decades-long campaign against travelers, it was one of Hitlers campaigns & they probably picked it up while they were supporting him (yes they are that old & yes they are that nasty)
Most of these 'Offences' would either never get to court or would be dismissed.
Yes many parking "offences" will probably be dismissed , surly the CPS would not waste court time prosecuting people who are trying to have a holiday.
Gypsie families who turn up and trash the place are different, they are notorious for making and leaving a mess.
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This is crazy, thanks for the heads up
There will be an update from friends and any information I can find out 👍
We live in Cornwall,we had a load of aggressive travellers take over a cliff top position and the park,the crap left behind was disgusting ,I shouldn't worry that much I should think it's mainly aimed at these large groups of travellers so the police can get rid of them, quite frankly I was suprised that there wasn't a trespass law already, we see all kinds of small vans parked up one had their washing line up the other day haha they are not doing any harm and the kids need clean clothes and you have to eat , we saw some Italians parked in the layby a few weeks ago a huge table out groaning with food I very nearly stopped and joined them.I suspect it's one of these laws that can be enforced if needed ,take care ☺
Yes we totally agree, the police will only use it if they feel they need to.
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I hope so. If there's sense left maybe, but enforcement will probably be sold off to some untraceable company that makes money by the quantity of fines levied
Thanks for the advice I appreciate your update all the best Paul
Thanks Paul
AND....Not a word about this on mainstream news!
Simple answer to this is go and register your van with the COMMON LAW COURTS and then they have no clame over you vehical as it is no longer registerd whith DVLA . know your common law rights!!!
Does that mean the 11th of July night bonfires here in Northern Ireland will be banned, I don't think so
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We have watched places that we use to visit become slowly but surely unaccessible, motivés obviously varied but, I'm not a full timer but I like to have the freedom to get away in the van and spend a weekend somewhere but it is becoming more challenging, but there's still lots of little gems out there from pubs, to private land parks ups (we have permission from owners and pay a parking fee) that we use that will keep us in our hobby and we have Europe where we now go twice a year because over there its all about where you can go and UK it's all about where you can't 🚷
I live full time in my van. Also now if you are in a lay-by and another van park's up the police can move you on now with just that reason. 👌
Yes. We will see if police abuse the power they have been given.
Subbed.... brilliant stuff ... thanks. Im parked up on private land at the mo. Doesn't look good for my future plans..
Does any of these new legislation have reach on private land?
Yes both public and private now.
Been in my van because I have a dog and can't find affordable housing and housing that excepts pets.. so that's that really. Not giving up the Bob ... at the mercy of any small minded ..judgemental bigots protecting their overpriced homes value by not having any filth in the vicinity..lol
There are so many of these modern subjective laws. What may offend one person may be a delight to another. For example, I find the smell of cucumber and celery disgusting. I wonder if I could get somebody moved on for making a salad in their van.
Smoke from Fires illegal? Presumably that effects all Narrowboat users as well? Virtually all Narrowboats are heated by Multi fuel Stoves. Could be another problem!
Thinking more about Narrowboats. A CRT license is paid to cruise Canals and Rivers. There is no Trespass so the smoking Stoves are not effected by these new laws. No trespass, this law is not applicable to anyone.
Our lovely Government already plan to bann the use and sale of log burners. Is this to force the use of expensive fuels..? petition.parliament.uk/petitions/605103#:~:text=Small%20particles%20(PM2.,emit%20dangerous%20amounts%20of%20pollution.
See my other message to you regarding this 👍
@@Roadshome fortunately that petition didn't get anywhere.
As Mr Schwab the WEF head states ..... "by 2030 you'll own nothing"
Omg thanks for this info
Caselton is my favourite place and I was told the long road is not cancyl road...
I'm trying to get information for updates. Will post as soon as I have solid info cos all the people I spoke to the weekend didn't know a thing.
@@Roadshome thanks a lot I'm really appreciate xx
Thank you for letting us know about this. The UK is getting ridiculous. 😒
One rule after another. And people are just putting up with it. No protests.
@@Roadshome we could set up a Vanvoy, but to be honest protests don't seem to work either, plus there's laws against demos now too. What pees me off more is the lumping us together with Gypsy's, there's so much talk about correct terminology for the Gay communities but we are totally overlooked.
You mean ENGLAND is getting ridiculous
@@kevinmullen3279 The British are imposing these ridiculous Laws on The English.
@@EnglishVeteran yea, potatoes Patatas
It's a very sad day when we need to protect ourselves with a CCTV system with audio recording, to prove you didn't drop litter (that was there when your arrived) and to protect yourself from false accusations from locals. The CCTV needs to cover 360 degrees around the van and record 24/7 with at least 7 days back up recordings. From what I can tell there is still a legal process the police have to follow but that legal process could take less than 24 hours to process before they turn up to take the vehicle away. So the safest thing to do it move ASAP when asked to. I know this is already being enforce because a single gypsy caravan that parked at the end of a dead end street overnight was moved on the following morning, within 15 minutes by the police without the gypsy's making a single argument. The moment the police turned up they started securing everything inside the caravan ready to move. Within 10 minutes a gypsy van turned up to move the caravan and five minutes later they were gone. I grew up in that street and the gated off football field was constantly being used as a gypsy camp sites by different groups. They always waited weeks until the eviction paperwork and court bailiffs turned up and kicked off before they went. Then left a huge mess. The whole system in the UK is set up to have people in the workforce. Schools are nothing more than a babysitting service so people go to work. That's why they are trying to stop homeschooling, with the new Education Bill. The same way they are trying to make everything cashless so you can't even live partially outside the system.
My sentiments exactly. I always feel like I'm having a moan when I talk like that, but reality is life has become that way because governments have become to power hungry. To controlling. Greedy.
@@Roadshome People with their eyes closed think I'm talking conspiracy theory. The facts is I literally had the school and the local educational authority tell me the government guidelines are children need to be at school so parents can go to work. I told them I was disabled and will never be able to return to work. Suddenly their attitude changed about my home schooling. I even had the same chat with the education department that enforces schools to provide additional help to individual children with extra needs and they confirmed that's the official government stance. It's not my first time homeschooling and my oldest has gone on to have a very high paid job in computer programming in the financial sector. My youngest is very bright but struggles badly with sensory overload. Fingers crossed the new education bill is ammended to allow homeschooling without the risk/threat of a criminal record and possible imprisonment for the parents.
Both myself and Sioux are very keen on home schooling. Conspiracy or what ever you want to call it government/those that control the governments are not looking out for our best interest, that I CAN assure you. 🤔
@@Roadshome I didn't comment on this video Mark, as I waited to see what type of response it got. Very interesting to see that the people who watched are aware of the government's true intentions with this. I am glad that you are of the same mindset as me Mark and the start of all this 2 years ago is the planned globalist elite control over the world population, or de population should I say. I don't watch the propaganda tv media crap and do my own research. The worst is yet to come, as I am sure you are aware and unless more people wake up to what's really going on, then we are fooked. I pay by cash everywhere and won't engage with them and their stupid new world order games. Stay away from the system as much as possible. Good vlog Mark thanks for posting!
I was in Scotland travelling for the first lockdown and paid no attention to the fake news, and Andalusia Spain at the point of highest infection rate in Spain. I am 100% sure we have not seen the end of it all. The rise in fuel price energy costs food etc. I hope people in the UK wake up. Me and Sioux dream of getting off grid permanent. The video has had a good response. A lot of interaction from viewers.
It's the same in Malvern Hills, no one is allowed to sleep overnight in vehicles.
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I lived on the road for near on 30 years, moved onto a boat 5 years ago now as it was just getting harder, it is a nice slow pace, after what happened in the 80's I wouldn't want to go through that again.
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Thanks for the info I kinda knew it was comming . This year up in Scotland alone all folk moan about. Is about folk in there vans stopping and emptying all there rubbish next to bins and empiting the toilets in public toilets . And over walls leaving Messes. And for us who do tidy up (even if not ours) Are getting labeled it's sad.
I take picture of place I park in the my gorgeous Van ofcourse . And keep place clean and when I leave I take pics . So am covered.
Cause in some places in Scotland they take pics of your van and reg then try and send you a fine for littering
Soz for going on
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Good bit of advice
simple resolution.... buy...or rent the land you want to camp on and pay your way in the society you choose to reside in. ... and yes.. I have had a motorhome in the past, and can see both sides. Camp sites where you pay for your pitch and the amenities you avail yourself of is the way to go if you want to travel to different places, if not, buy a parcel of land and live off grid.
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I went to Scotland in June 2022 and on the NC500 all of the parking places were taken up by Motorhomes stopping for the night and even passing places on the North Coast road from Ullapool to Thurso were occupied by motorhomes so they are right to stop this dangerous practice, passing places are for what it says not for parking up and staying the night, there are plenty of camping sites on the route but some selfish individuals are making it dangerous just to travel on the single track roads. Most cars and bikes are not designed for off road so how do these selfish people expect them to pass?
If they are blocking a passing place then they deserve a ticket.
There is a local park here in Torbay that currently has 30 caravans in it, all travellers. The new law still doesn't apply to them I see.
That's the problem isn't it. The government isn't making a space to move to so they tell you to move but don't give any place to stop.
Gateway laws with built in mission creep in order to remove "problem" people.
nice bit of info mark,
Vanlifers will no doubt be seen as soft targets whilst those such as tinkers and gypos get away with it leaving lots of damage and a trail of crime everywhere they go
Really interesting.Cheers!
As with all the laws they are pushing through at the moment, it is very loosely defined allowing it to be easily abused by authorities. Which of course is the intention. How does one quantify ‘excessive’?
And if you don't you lose your home get fined and got to jail. That will mean also lose your job and your dog if you have one. May as well just put us down on the spot 😜
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As long as you move on when asked by a police officer, NO OFFENCE WILL HAVE BEEN COMMITTED. The actual offence is refusing to move when asked.
And remember this is for private land, so any reasonable person would surely move on anyway if asked (in my opinion)???
I lived fulltime vanlife for 7 yearsUK until 2014.
Continual harassment, the knock- police, ppl who can "see it through their window" sometimes just switched off engine- police car there.
Ppl complaining about " i pay lots of council tax!" Etc.
If i ever did again in uk, go full stealth-no windows or exterior sign of modification.
Or, buy a refridgerated semi trailor ,convert that, and have a small converted van that can be loaded inside.
2014 i bailed to *AUSTRALIA*
no such problems here, and plenty of space.
How are you doing with their over zealous policing and restrictions over the past two years? Both Oz and NZ are off my dream holiday list after seeing the crazy behaviour from those in power.
@@goldilocks913 never felt freer and safer.
its good in australia we have strict borders, and laws.
1st class free healthcare, and a safe environment.
i wouldnt consider visiting switzerland if i was you..
there really is a police state.
@@jonsimmons4150 good to hear Jon! Wishing you all the best 👍
@@goldilocks913 thanks! im building a overlander starting next year- so more van/truck life- but in oz it is the norm to travel and live on the road
@@jonsimmons4150 awesome! Just strapping bag to my Harley to go up to Inverness to overnight before going out to Orkney islands for two weeks- having a luxurious time in an old chapel 😂
Hugo talks did a vid on it. Cheers man
Thanks for the heads up m8, just sheared to fb
Thankyou
Shared to my pages, thanku.
That’s not good news, We have never had any problems in just over two years being full time.
It is a shame that there are some people that are disrespectful, staying in one place for far too long, littering and not to mention toilet emptying in hedges etc!!
We have actually seen it and unfortunately it’s got worst over the last two years.
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I don’t own a van but love following the various channels, I knew about it and don’t even live in the uk how could someone in the community not know? Unbelievable Jeff 😂
Lots of laws being passed/changed for the worse recently. This government has got the art of misdirection and drama extremely well in hand
Those happy days talked about it
Hi Chris. Thanks for the comment.
Yes we noticed they added a bit to their most recent vlog.
They commented on our video a number of days ago, so they knew it was a hot topic.
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just a tip .. put your bins on the roof of your truck
The problem it is not just some "Gypsies" "Travellers who are problematic. A hooligan element, some with vans, some illegally camping have caused and are causing serious problems where I live on the Lizard peninsular. They are ignoring no camping, no overnight parking and no fires notices and leaving rubbish, human excrement, broken glass and lighting fires, and damaging the Sites of Special Scientific Interest in ways that in some cases will take a decade to put right.
Basically they are disrespecting the environment and the people who live here.
You might be interested in a video I am planning/ putting together now because it's going to cover these points. 👍
These laws will apply to all but the gypsy community who the police are reluctant to approach .. The rest of us law abiding citizens will pay the price as usual .
Yep exactly what I was thinking. The police are scared of the gypsies so this law won't make a blind bit of difference to the "travellers"
Peace
I used to live in Romford Essex. An area that on the outskirts had gypsy sites as the land had been bought by them. When the police used to go onto the site they had an army of vans and cars plus armed response units hiding around the corner. Roads were closed and all this was just to go and arrest one of the people living on site. Crazy wast of tax money.
People learn the hard way till the day they have nothing left but a toaster
Nice one Mark :-)
You need to find a new way of living Mark trade in that Van of yours and come and join me on the CUT ✂️ 😉
You won't be saying that in a storm and your rocking about 😩
Ha I'll be sound :-)
just think being able to stop legally for 14 days at a time ⏲️
Ha no problem it's only 3ft deep lol not on the big deep 😆
My car was blocked in my garage quite often .As this was a private road the police were powerless as this was a civil matter .In Ireland trespass was made a criminal offence and so some gypsies therefore came to the UK and caused a lot of this problem .People were fed up with the inability of the authorities to move the sites and the expense of clearing up the mess owing to the civil laws .
Police should act if your car's blocked in. It's only if the car is stopped from entering they don't need to act.
@@Roadshome Thanks for reply .The police said it was a civil matter because it was a private road .When I said "How would you like it ,etc " the constable agreed to have a word and got the person to remove it .Also I did say I would take matters into my own hands physically . It was a common occurrence,though . cheers
Campsite owners will love it .
Oh yes absolutely.
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Do you agree with what we are saying?
RUclips is again blocking web links but Community Law Partnership have published an article called "THE CRIMINALISATION OF TRESPASS". They frequently act for various Gypsy & Traveler groups.
as you say these laws have been brought in because of gypsy /travellers , we only the other day had them in our local park leaving a mess "again " driving their cars around intimidating dog walkers and any locals "again" emptying toilet waste "again"
as someone who wishes to live in a van myself ,I find it to be frustrating . that these people ruin it for everyone .
but we new it was going to come eventually ,yes a lot of it is extreme. and and could be used unfairly , but to me if you don't make a nuisance of your self and are respectful ,
you shouldn't have problems ."IN AN IDEAL WORLD"
only time will tell how these laws are interpreted and used
I don't think the law should be anything to worry about for most people in a van. Just respect the environment and area and be nice to anybody you see. If parking on private land then that's wrong anyway. Nobody should be littering or leaving rubbish on land they do not own. There are many laws which many of us break to a small degree, as long as police implement sensibly all will be fine. Some travellers really did need to be dealt with and unfortunately as with most laws, the good majority suffer for a minority who ruin it. A group of travellers at present are causing havoc in my local town with their dogs attacking other dogs and dog walkers, rubbish being left when leaving etc, this needed to be dealt with.
My sentiments exactly.
a lot of gloom and doom there. As a climber, I've been kipping in cars and vans for 60 years or more and never had a problem. Trouble is there's too many people doing it nowadays. It all started during Covid.
I've been doing the same Tony. For 30+years. I've climbed all over the world and now council's have really put the boot in to stop any adventure. I read the story of boardman and tasker driving there little van to to the Himalayas. Llanberis was once Mecca for climbing now you can't get parked. Same for stanage edge. Everything is about charging you money
@@Roadshome it's sad. what a mess.
A lot of people are saying the laws are not aimed at vanlife in general. The good amongst us. And it will only target the bad destructive people. Let's hope they are correct
@@tonyhoward2779 No it didn't. Many years ago I was kipping in my car in a pub car park (with permission I might add) as I wasn't fit to drive. Got woken by a copper and ordered to move on. Funny thing was, there was a lockin in the pub, so he got distracted by that. The first two people he demanded ID from were from Special Branch! He got transferred shortly afterwards lol
My point is that they often gave people grief in the past despite it being a well-known caving area
your in the uk your not allowed to have fun or enjoy yourself they would tax the air you breath if they could
I do have some sympathy here, because van life can be a good solution for many people, but the three things that are a real problem are litter, camp fires, and occupying the best locations, to the exclusion of local residents.
And there's one more thing.. posting videos on RUclips that encourage other van lifers to flock to the same attractive spots.
Far better to leave no trace, avoid camp fires completely, park discretely in a quiet spot rather than grabbing the best spots, and DON'T post videos on RUclips (which is making things much, much worse).
Are you nicking my next video ideas. That's exactly what my next video is about. I think it's to late for no RUclips video, it's being killed to death at mo and no wonder. People can't afford houses. Should be out Friday Eve 👍
@@Roadshome Personally, I think that van life, especially for young people, could be the only thing they will be able to afford. So it's imperative that van life isn't made impossible, though the bad choices that many van lifers are currently making.
I cannot imagine a person using their motorhome for leisure/pleasure purposes, parking in sensible locations will fall foul of this legislation. It seems pretty obvious to me it is aimed at the traveler community that travel in herds causing mayhem and anti-social disruption.
There is a council that has made brownfill site available and provide water taps, toilets etc is it in Bristol?
I've not heard of it. Bristol has a large vanlife/student population so could possibly be there.
@@Roadshome it's fact listen to radio 4 programme rental health ' the new nomads' aired on Monday 27th march
@@Roadshomeunlikely, Bristol is a hostile council despite the Green Party
good job
Interesting development that will of course be abused. And of course, our self-appointed shepherds can't have the herd wandering off doing as they like.
No idea how old I was when first encountering "trespass" but I only came up to my dad's knee so not very, maybe 3 or less. Walking on a public footpath over a farmer's field. Said farmer stood a few yards away with a shotgun over his arm and ordered my dad to walk around the field. My dad told him no, the footpath goes across the field which you shouldn't have ploughed. The farmer then cocked and aimed his gun at us, ordering again. My dad pushed me behind him and kept walking sideways to keep me covered, kicking the crop in the middle of the already worn footpath, it was that well used, as he went until the dick gave up and lowered his gun. Still have a bit of a gun phobia to this day.
Next was just before NVQs came in and I was working at a training facility, first ever job, that was testing it's implementation. One of the courses we offered was general MAFF stuff as well as a couple of specifics and the trainer needed his lessons plan typed up and printed. No clue himself, older bloke who went like a rabbit in headlights just looking at a computer, but he was a nice guy so I did it for him. Learned a lot about trespass copy pasting all that.
The last time, place I now live has a green over the road, few trees dotted and pretty big area of grass. Looked out to see half a dozen vans arriving during the day and people start camping. Weird, camp site round the corner but meh, they were quiet and not bothering anyone, unlike the idiot on the motorbike revving it at a million decibels 20x a day or the lesbian couple over the way who decide to have a screeching match with each other after midnight at least once a month, until they finally moved. Certainly not as bad as one neighbour in my building who would ring my bell in the wee small hours, despite my kids sleeping, asking for me to buzz her into the building because she forget her key, again. Thank god she moved eventually too. When the vans left, however, they also left a massive pile of rubbish where they stayed. Wouldn't mind but we have external bins round back they could have used. Never complained about any of the above though. If I complained about annoyances I'd do nothing but. I just get on with it and react only when someone gets in my face, all personal.
Know who does complain? 'Karens' and assorted other perpetually indignant people who think they're better or more entitled than everyone else. Not that legit concerns never happen because it's the very same sort of people who spoil it for everyone else from the other end. Wish they'd all just eff off and leave the rest of us alone, maybe have a thought in their tiny minds now and then that doesn't revolve around themselves. Still, gives the cops something else easy to do aside from policing social media for words that hurt feefees cuz that exact same sort spend their time looking for virtual trouble when they aren't literally curtain twitching in self-induced outrage.
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