@@DC-ml6cv eu always shit talks na and say they are worse every year like a jealous girlfriend constantly have Na in their mouth lol because they can't win shit just like Na the west sucks so bad never gonna win a worlds ever can't wait to see G2 get their bootycheeks clapped by a real league from the east
Na looks bad in valorant and ends up beating eastern teams but EMEA wins it all because asia is so trash and you simply have to go beyond trivial memorisation and use actual brain like finnish school system xd
Yes i discovered this the moment it was announced that EU would have 4 seeds, if 3rd and 4th seed from EU make it to group stage we essentially have 4 groups of death with each group contaning one EU team, one KR team and one CN team + a random team
To be honest I feel like any out of these 6Teams have a chance; GENG, TES, T1, RNG, G2(well... copium), and JDG, but I forgot DK and fucking EDG aswell like DAMN I love worlds and gonna watch every single game, over all I think GenG will win it tho
@@21___dcy Then the meta becomes top sided carry and support mid and everything goes to shit. But I agree, if the meta stays the same as right now GenG is looking really good.
It’s gonna be tough beating LPL teams. As for LCK, GenG, and T1 are most likely to advance, whereas DRX is definitely beatable, and DK isn’t as strong as last year so there’s a good chance to beat them.
What we need is 6 groups with a round of 16 before quarter finals. The best 4 third seats go on from the 6 groups. You get more space for wildcard teams to actually compete and you spread out the lck, lpl and lec teams a bit more. 8 more seats from 2 more groups means we can skip the play ins (to some extend).
The actual problem is that there still are more than enough shit teams. I want more best of 5s between really good teams. I mean who cares watching any EU or NA teams getting smashed by better eastern teams this year? Maybe G2 has some kind of chance, but Jesus Christ, the group stage should be the least important part of the fucking tournament. Maybe we should have more international competition with a global ranking of some sort, to solve this seeding bs. Also a double elimination format in the actual important part would be really fucking nice. Buuuut since it is Riot, we won’t ever have nice things and all of this discussion will lead nowhere
All 24 teams in groups, 6teams each group, Bo1 or Bo3. Top 1 seeded to quarters. Top 2-5 would play single elimination Bo3 or Bo5. The 4 that would come out of will face the 4 top 1 teams, Bo5.
@@combeebrian247 The bigger the groups are, the more games need to be played in group stage, growing exponentially. If you add 2 more teams to a group, that group needs to play 18 more games (30 ! instead of the usual 12 games with 4 teams per group), means you actually add 72 games for 4 groups. Adding 2 new groups means you just add 24 games, adding a round of 16 means 8 more matches there, adding 40 games with bo5 or 24 games with bo3. Alternatively, the second seats from the 6 groups could compete for the 2 seats left for quarters, which wouldn't add that many games: You could go for the 4 "weakest" 2nd seats competing in a bo5 (10 games in bo5) and in a second round, the winners compete with the 2 best 2nd seats for the 2 quarter final seats (another 10 games in bo5). I'm not a fan of bo5 too early, they just take too long from a viewer perspective and it wouldnt be worth it for early rounds. I'd go for bo3 in the round of 16 and quarter finals and bo5 in the semi finals and finals. Adding a round of 16 would also make groups play out better because there would actually be a difference between going 3rd compared to 4th place. I actually looked up how many teams compete in play-ins and main, it's 24 teams. So 6 groups would actually completely eliminate the play-ins stage, it would also add excitement with teams from the minor regions actually being able to compete in group stage for advancing to the next round. Let's say these are the pools: pool 1: 2x lck, 2x lpl, 1 lec, 1 lcs pool 2: 1 lck, 1lpl, 1 lec, 1lcs and 1 south asian and 1 vietnam pool 3: 1 lck, 1 lpl, 2 lec, 1 lcs and 1 from south asia or vietnam (depending which region was better) pool 4: 1 brazil, 1 oceania, 1 latin america, 1 turkey, 1 japan and the last south asian/vietnam team
GEN GEN JDG JDG NA RGE RGE RGE RGE RGE EDG GAM GAM DK EDG/DK WC RNG DRX WC RNG/DRX 2/5 Chance to not get fucked which completely depends on what form DRX is showing
mad and probably rogue will be play ins agains RNG, DRX and 1 NA team plus wildcards so dont even bet that they will get to groups, i would be happy if 1 eu team makes it out. If they match vs the 4th lpl and 4th lck its gg
Cathedral is actually wrong about G2 which can draw a possible group for themselves like "G2-TES-EG-DRX". Just give the second seed to the monster and take weak ones for the rest. TES 6-0 and G2 can go 4-2 or 3-3 then tiebreak with DRX.
Exactly what i thought. They want DRX to be the 4th seed who they will have to beat, TES or EDG doesn't really matter they will get first anyway and then either an NA or PCS team which should also be beatable whoever it is
He kinda forgot about EG didn't he? With that said... a group with G2(1st seed) T1(2nd seed) EG(3rd seed I'm calling it) and RNG(4th seed) would be epic. It's MSI rematch.
@@ponglenis9273 they really won't. All lpl and lck teams are potential contenders for the title. And no eu team has played up to bar to be considered fine into any of those teams
@@jonasdk9 G2 and Fnatic have proven over and over again, that they can keep up with those top teams, the exception being last year where upset wasn’t around and G2 wasn’t even at worlds.
@@ponglenis9273 G2 0-3 vs T1 in semis. RNG won MSI and is now 4th seed in LPL. Meanwhile in LEC G2 doesnt seem to have develop that much since MSI at all.
You know what's funny? C9 with RGE and DK is arguably their best group considering how LEC might underperform and DK being bad. However the other groups, good luck lmao.
uhm idk about dk being bad. they're definitely not as good as they had been in 2020 and 2021, but they still made worlds as lck 3rd seed. barely lost to t1 in semis and defeated lsb to make worlds. still, i don't think there is a better group for c9, not because rge and dk are weak (dk is strong and rge is irrelevant), but because they are not gonna do any better against tes or edg. now that i think about it, maybe c9, rge, edg and drx is a better group for c9. drx is weaker than dwg and there is pretty much no difference between edg and rng (edg might be a bit stronger overall, but it's not like it matters since the lpl team will take the 1st seed of that group regardless).
"DK being bad" Yeah, I think you guys are forgetting that DK is still an A rank team who beat LSB and KT.(Those 3 are on the same level as 2021 GenG) Tbh, idk how DRX even managed to qualify instead of LSB and KT.
People are overrating T1 after their inconsistency finally showed. DK narrowly won against a weak T1 what does that say about DK? I'm rooting for LPL this year. I don't think GenG can fight the onslaught of LPL teams. NA might make it past groups but that's it
I think Damwon is the most important pull for the groups draw. Finding them means you - get a beatable LCK team - can still get a wildcard/NA team - will probably get destroyed by a strong LPL team but can contest for 2nd place - will get clapped in quarters Getting T1/GenG means you face a strong KR team and a strong LPL team, finding DRX means you don't have a wildcard team in your group, so then you have to prayge for an NA team. Any way, it looks very rough.
I didn't watch any LCK, but can you explain why you would prefer DK over DRX? If you're going to get stomped by all 4 LPL teams anyway, wouldn't you prefer to have the weakest LCK team?
@@Shearenity I'd say DRX and DK are both beatable. DRX are in pool 4 which means instead of them, you'd get a fairly easy team whereas the replacement for DK would be a harder team to beat.
The thing is its never happens as you think. LPL 2. team which was FPX threw several games in 2021. Its makes no sense to draw a graph and say this team has no chance over that team.
EU's only hope is that they figure out a new strategy which they did in the past many times. Asian teams are stubborn and refuse to adapt to new metas.
@@rallolollo9309 No LCK team has failed to make it out of groups since 2018. The LPL teams are much more prone to dropping out of groups or straight up imploding like FPX, but once it comes to bo5 series they're normally stronger.
The bottom line is that you have to win consistently by adapting to new meta. Why would LPL and LCK teams adapt to new meta aggressively when they are winning. It is a risk.
@@rallolollo9309 lpl doesn't adapt either, they just draft full on engage because at home every other team will handshake early aggression for early aggression, they have no other way of playing the game, has been so since SHR went to s4 world finals with Uzi and Insec dive bombing every fight and eventually riot decided to reward this kind of gameplay (s8, coincidentally the time China started to win trophies)
EU's 2 teams will have to be in the groups where there is no lck and lpl team (before counting play-ins), otherwise the play-ins teams wont be possible to fill out the groups in a way where there are no 2 teams from same region. Example: Say group 1,2,3 has lpl teams and 1,2 has EU teams. If lpl 4th seed and both EU teams make it out, lpl will slot into group 4, and EU into group 3, but last EU team has tl go into group 1 or 2 which they cant. This is actually kinda good for EU, as both our 1st and 2nd seed has to get only 1 lpl or lck team in groups and the 4th seed from the other region.
Yes you're right but now there is nowhere you can put the 2 LCS teams. You can try all the possibilities and there will always be a problem in case 2 LEC + 1 LCS + 1 LCK or LPL go out of play-in (and the case 1LCK + 1LPL + 1LCS + 1LEC in one scenario)
True. Was looking at ut from a eurocentric perspective, but they've really messed it up by having 5 major region teams in play-ins. Cant wait to see how they solve this. Unless the fix the play-ins groups and qualifying matches in a certain way, which would be ridiculous
Yes i cant wait to see it aswell! ^^ I think their only reasonable solution is to make the group draw after the play-in so that they know who are the qualified teams. But they wont do that :)
People should understand this, historically lck is the best reigon in group of stage, all lck teams made out group of stage except only 2 teams, one in 2013 and other in 2018, outside that, all lck teams made out and most of them made FIRST in group as well, while lpl teams has bad history in groups, the best example was last year, rng got beated by hle and fnc with sub adc, 100t beated edg, fpx got smashed by 3rd seed of na and lec, 4th of lpl never made out group of stage, this why eu teams should not fear lpl teams in groups.
EU should absolutely fear LPL in groups. 4th seed narrative is overrated and will come back to bite EU teams, LGD was genuinely bad and LNG finished 3-3 with everyone else and almost knocked out MAD (EU #1) last year. You're definitely right that Eastern teams can be upset and EU is imo pretty likely to get a team out of groups, but discounting teams like RNG and EDG is insanity.
Top 4 of LPL this season could absolutely stomp any team from any other region but LCK rn. Last year was a trash showing from LPL but this season i’d be surprised if they don’t take over at worlds.
I mean if you want to win worlds you can’t be picky about groups, you should be confident no matter who is playing in your group, you’ll beat them. Or is the goal here to just get out of groups?
yeah the goal is just to get out of groups, eastern teams, especially LPL look so incredibly strong rn i dont think any LEC team has a chance to win worlds
I just can't wait for this worlds man everything looks stacked as hell like even if you try to create a group consisting of all the 3rd-4th seed of LPL, LCK, and LEC +wildcard the games are still a banger to watch
@@williambartsch1128 better? 1 eu and 1 na teams in PO - 0-3 both of them. Like, they are equally shitty compared to lck/lpl. In the same groups eu and na did equally - 2-4(A) and 3-3(D). See no reason to mention group B and C - eu and na didnt get out so why even bother.
I mean, it's the same thing for the last 2 years. The setup is the same, the only thing that has changed is all LPL teams looking scary. But it's not like they are unbeatable. It also seems like there is a huge difference between getting GenG from LCK or any other team. T1 doesn't look as good as they did during MSI.
this is exactly everyone was saying last worlds about LCK being DWG the only good team from the LCK and guess what 3 LCK teams at Semis , sure none of them won worlds but saying LCK is weaker compared to last year is just bullcrap
T1 looked terrible at MSI. It’s not like they got much worse from MSI. I am a T1 fan and they were great in spring but MSI and Summer is more or less the same with bot lane struggling and zeus Oner carrying. So if that’s your metric, i dont know how much copium you got because T1 was terrible at MSI and still was better than G2. As someone else said, the only beatable team from the east is DRX and Damwon are a bit coinflip. And maybe you can hope for 1 LPL team to bomb like FPX did last year but I wouldnt count on the top 2 teams atleast to flop that hard this year
pray for the meta or surprise draft, otherwise it would be 7~8 KR + CN out of groups if they don't underperform, because historically LPL chokes at bo1 ***2015: 3 KR 1 CN 2 EU 1 NA 1 TW 2016: 3 KR 2 CN 1 EU 1 NA 1 wild 2017: 3 KR 2 CN 2 EU 1 NA ***2018: 2 KR 3 CN 2 EU 1 NA ***2019: 3 KR 2 CN 3 EU 2020: 3 KR 3 CN 2 EU 2021: 4 KR 2 CN 1 EU 1 NA
That or G2, TOP, C9/VCS1, DRX. Having a stronger lpl team means they will take more games off of other teams. I can see TOP beating C9/VCS1 harder than edg beating PCS1. But yeah it all depends on drawing DRX for them.
Nah miss me with this doom talk. Every year groups of death get upset or perform unexpectedly. In worlds anything can happen, let's wait and see. I actually hope our NA bros perform well as well and let's take down East together like back in 2019 ;)
Only team to really count on from na is c9 every (or at least almost any, maybe I'm forgetting a year) c9 is the best na team at world's (they even get to leave groups)
So basically G2 is in the same situation as FNC was in at 2019 worlds. Where FNC had to face RNG and SKT1 who were the respective 1st and 2nd seed of LCK and LPL
I don’t really feel like they are screwed. It just comes down to, can they beat drx. Drx does not look that good. All the seeds from LEC are kind of in the same situation where they will lose to the Chinese representative, beat the NA representative, and then go against DRX. That is the best situation for them if the group has the four major regions. Obviously going against a minor region would be better as well.
Every seed from NA is way better then wild card teams we prove it very World and MSI except for when C9 went to MSI with perks other then that we beat them soundly
I would say at worlds, NA has normally gotten the upper hand over EU in direct matches. C9 knocked out Vitality in 2018, C9 knocked out Rogue last year etc. Honestly not sure why you’re shit talking NA when the rest of the LEC outside of G2 are dogshit.
I'm just sad that we won't be having a double elimination BO5s this year with the quality of teams that are participating. Pls riot just make it happen.
I don't understand the point of addding a looser bracket, it's a system that you cannot balance; that said I agree that they should add more teams in the knock out stage
I would say statistically it's still likely an eu team makes it out of groups. Even if you viewed EU as an underdog to both asian teams in every single group, the likelihood of at least 1 making it out is still fairly high. Similar to how unintuitive it may be that with only 23 people in a room, the chances there's a shared birthday are around 50% (even with assumed even distribution of birthdays which isn't the case). CN as a region is known for really high highs and low lows, we can get another FPX level collapse again. Every year there's at least one asian team, sometimes more, that just straight boom at worlds. I think the doomer scenarios really happen in playoffs, where we can only really hope there's some dumb bracket shenanigans putting the two top asian teams on the opposite side of the bracket.
Don't be so quick to put DRX in group stage. They are by far - and I mean really really far - the weakest LPL or LCK team at Worlds. They shouldn't even have qualified. Sure, having DRX in your group means either TES or EDG as well, but then you practically only have to beat the VCS, NA or PCS seed in the case of G2. In the case of RGE or FNC whoever gets 3rd seed the point stays the same if you get the NA 1st seed ofcourse. If not, then it's doomed.
I got a new idea to make worlds more interesting for us all. You get to have 3 stages before playoffs. First is a fiesta between wildcard’s. Than the top teams jumps to the 2nd tier which is PCS/VCS/LCS/LEC. Here is where we get to shine a bit. Than the top teams from that tier jump to the last tier to get smashed by LCK/LPL.
Yes asian teams do well in groups, but everyone is forgetting that every year some asian teams will super underperform. Usually this is due to bo1 and meta change. This literally happened every single Worlds. Remember in 2019 when FNC got SKT and RNG? FNC finished with 4-2 just 1 win behind SKT who finished 5-1. Also G2 has insane luck every Worlds, they somehow get the easiest groups every year. At least 1-2 of LPL teams will underperform, depends on the meta. LCK teams usually will do well in groups if teams play slow, but if teams can surprize them, they're going down too. And NA is not making out of groups anyway, so all LEC has to do is get at least 2nd seed and good luck in bo5. I expect at least 3 LEC teams making out of groups this year🤔🤔🤔
Weird, everyone has this redirect that NA is doomed for sure and yet we made it out of groups last year with C9 and TL lost a tie breaker to make it out and 100T went 1-1 with the world champion EDG. So how is that doomed?
Isnt having the second seed china and drx as the fourth seed the best possibility? Like they could also get the 3rd seed Na team or a wildcard team. Or am i wrong?
Ye rn it is. But 2nd seed LPL is TES, they look monsterous as 1st seed and there is still a possibility where the play-in team messes everything up, especially SGB, i mean just look at the previous MSI results individually. Still, sloppy and scary scenario
For the people counting on eastern teams to choke must admit it is a very weak strategy. Your win condition are not in your control seems like a losing mentality.
@@Geheimnis-c2e playing lanes to not lose is good vs LPL because they draft early aggression all the time so if you draft double enchanter you just curb stomp after minute 30 if you break even or slightly behind
I also thought about Groupstage and even the best scenario u can get as a NA or an EU is still Hellfire. I mean MAD is totally Lost as 4th Seed. Best Scenario u can get is 1st Seed NA so EG, C9 or 100 with either T1 and EDG or TES and DK. So we have Nisqy vs Faker, Scout, Showmaker or Knight. I freakin love Nisqy but Holy Shit just gettem out of this.
I mean G2's best ideal group is getting DRX in their group as the LCK team because they're significantly weaker than all the other Asian teams. All the LPL teams can be a terror so no running from them
In my opinion 4th seeds ruin worlds. 4th seeds of the best two regions (kr+cn) just makes the tournament too top heavy. There is a world where the bracket stage of worlds is 4 cn and 4 kr teams. Like that shouldn't even be possible man. 2021 worlds was 4 kr, 2 cn, 1 eu , 1 na. Also as Caedral stated any advantage of being a seed 1 LEC or LCS team is gone when you will get a top tier CN and KR team in your group anyway.
@@kevinbaatar765 Best teams in the worlds are probably 10 lck teams + 14 lpl teams. The point of worlds to is the pit the best teams from different regions against each other. Thats why it's called WORLDS. Not China vs Korea Rift Rivals.
The reason it's called worlds is because it's a tournament where the winner is the "best" team in the world at that point. If the LPL and KR teams are better then yes they should have more slots. Just because you bring in more NA/EU teams doesn't mean they have a higher chance of winning or even getting to semis
@@MiLa-xi6qj You say they should have more spots but they don't need more to win MSI. Why do they need 4th seeds? 4th seeds don't even win worlds so why are they there. They are just filler teams that take the spots of other regions. GenG gonna clap whoever they face anyway so why does it have to be a CN 4th seed instead of an EU 2nd seed.
As bad as NA can look I’m actually surprised by the C9, EG, 100T, and TL and how well they can play. They aren’t consistent but they have their games which are just surprising.
100t took a game off of edg last year and they have the exact same roster, c9 somehow made it out of groups last year and beat dk in MSI 2021 with an arguably weaker team. Besides 0-6 against g2 eg showed ok in MSI last year
@@AGuy-0751 Coming from NA, I just want us to prove ourselves for once. I’m a 100T guy, but I will root for my NA boys no matter how bad we get stomped 😅 100T probably has the best bet, but I can see TL pulling something off. C9 and EG look kind of rough, especially since EG Danny’s champ pool isn’t meta for worlds. But who knows. Maybe my region will get destroyed like usual 🥲
@@D5Zach7511 only the 100T games. Watched EG play terribly against TSM. it was pathetic. C9 isn’t solid and TL and 100T seems to be the only great games to watch. So yes I guess I have been lol.
Could be wrong about this, but didn't they change it so first NA seed is tier 2 for seeding into Worlds groups and its either the 2nd seed from China or Korea that gets the last tier 1 spot? I am not positive about this, but I thought that was how it went last year. * Never mind! Just looked it up and NA first seed does get a tier 1 spot this year.
To be fair, the situation is the same as last year, just with an extra EU team. You know 2021, when C9 made it out of groups and FPX got 4th. But I agree that it is looking pretty bad.
Let's not forget the most recent grp of death, DWG, FPX, RGE, C9. And from that grp, c9 got out, and dwg, numbers means nothing if performance isn;t there, g2 could get at an easy grp and suck at it, they could get an impossilble and also suck at it, it doesn't matter, whatever will happen will happen.
He talking about group tho. There no way in hell g2 is winning world with this many stacked team. They couldn’t even do it with the 2019 roster that won msi.
Best group G2 can get is probably: G2, NA 2nd (100T/C9 most likely), EDG, and DRX. Strong probability that they're better than NA, could pretty easily be better than DRX. EDG obviously scary, so you're probably looking at a 2nd seed. Imo almost no likelihood G2 can get first in any group draw. What Caedrel is describing is probably their best way to win a group, but do we really trust G2 vs. both Damwon and RNG? Even peak G2 couldn't get 1st seed against lower seeded LPL/LCK teams (and they only faced 1 each time-GRF and Suning)
@@drago8170 I was wondering about this grouping , lec 1st seed lpl 2nd seed lck 3rd seed and the teams from play-in are lec 3,4 seed , lpl and lck 4th seed so who should we put into that group ? Because we having group draw event before play- in starts right , so the pool 1,2,3 will be set and 1 vacant slot for pool 4 so what happen if the four team advanced from playin stage are 2 lec 1lpl 1lck ?
@@blesskind1330Group draw is done after play-ins. If both RNG and DRX make it out of pla-ins, which is almost guarenteed. it means that each group MUST have a lpl and lck team. Which greatly narrows down the possibilities of group stage. Essentially for LEC team to get out of groups they have the find the best combo of LPL/LCK team where they can beat atleast 1 of them.
Caedrel made a mistake cuz NA is pool 1/3 and MAD wouldnt be Pool3 cuz EU has 2 4th seed teams if both teams quality through play ins (his MAD pool3 is as wrong as no NA team from pool3) so the example is kinda flawed
Either the EU teams level up, or they dont. If our teams manage to actually play at 100%, getting another finals isnt impossible. If they play like shit, they get knocked out. it is what it is
They cant get this group cuz there might be 3 regions getting out of Play ins. 3rd 4th eu seeds 4th lpl and 4th LCK. Then non of those teams cant go to thos group. U have to get either NA PCS or VCS to your group cuz play ins and main stage draw is at the same day
This is, however, assuming that the lck/lpl teams get through playins. Should by some hellish choke one of those teams be eliminated before group stage, there is one group which doesnt have both an lck and an lpl team.
It might be time to add more teams from minor regions etc to Worlds, these groups are already starting to just be impossible for any team that isn’t top tier. Would be nice to have SOME games where minor regions get to play the top teams, and a chance for lesser teams to get out of groups.
If you arent performing as a top tier team then you have nothing to do in olay offs, worlds is for the best teams to prove them self, we already have msi for the weaker teams
I feel you . But it's worlds. It's not made for giving lesser teams a chance. This is why they are giving the two strongest regions more spots. You have to earn the wins. If you can't earn it you don't belong there.
Caedrel doea not realise that you cannot have the first three teams be from lck lpl and eu because there is a scenario where all the teams that come out of play-ins are from those 3 regions
I feel like all groups will be really hype and unless you get the GENG TES or JDG T1 group you can make it out, but god getting in the same group as LCK LPL Seeds 1 and 2 looks scary
If you want to win worlds you can't worry about "getting lucky" with your group, western teams just need to compete, and stop being afraid of Eastern regions, it's crazy how scared NA/EU players look when against LPL/LCK, for the love of God please stop being so down on our home regions by default, it's horrible for mental, and makes everyone play worse. Just have some confidence for once please.
they're all just human, they bleed like us, they cry like us, they break like us, and if you automatically view your opponent as beating you, then you will lose, why show up at all?
@@jordans209 its just being realistic, there's a reason why Western teams got clapped since season 2, The level they shown so far didn't even touch the first seed of LPL/LCK. 2018 G2 WAS the most powerful western team in recent history and I was rooting for them HARD.
you think the only reason the west is getting smacked around is because of mental ? LMAO there's hands diff , macro and micro diff like there is so much things the east is better at than the west and you're saying "just don't be scared"
You cant get Lec + Lpl + Lck in the first three seeds in one group. It could happen, that the fourth seeds only contain 2x Lec + Lck + Lpl. How do you distribute the fourth seeds into that group.
@@farinthefuture2178 Do you know how many time c9 has made it out of group without perkz? They didn’t need him to make it out against a mental boom fpx last year. Fpx was the worst team in that group unironically.
This is assuming that 4th seeds from the east can make it thru play-ins. I think that the east is in for a rude awakening this year at the hands of, firstly wild card teams, and, secondly, lec
Idk why thay made it 4 teams for each region honestly. Never dissrespect EU or anybody els. EU has had alot to work with the past few years, fnatic losing there biggest star before worlds even started, G2 almost competly remaking there roster and ppl inside the org. We all know EU has been crazy the past few years with alot of changes. But we are looking strong right now, i always belive.
You need to understand that LOL is all about LCK and LPL, EU and NA will never get along again. The LPL has already opened a chasm of difference to the LCK and the LCK of the rest of the world.
I am not lec fan, but remember lpl teams are very beatable by anyone in group of stage like last year (fnc with sub adc beated rng, Rouge beated fpx, edg lost to 100t , so eu has chance to make over group of stage over lpl teams, in b05, it is diff story, lck teams are almost always get first in group, only exception was in only 2 teams in 2018 and 2013, other than that, all lck teams made out of group.
i mean fpx had a big blunder last year tho and rng looks a lot better now but yeah if 100t can beat edg who then won worlds its that lpl isnt that good in BO1. Still scary groups tho :/
@@matthieupaty5032 I don't say lpl teams are bad, my problem is some lpl fans think lpl teams are perfect and never make mistakes (most of lpl games has many throws btw) and will smash all eu teams easily, and this is wrong.
Don't we say this every single year that EU has 0 chances and is bad and bla Bla Bla and they actually end up being one of the best regions at world's? This is like the champions League where Bayern and PSG are crushing everyone own league but when they go to the champions League they get knocked out by some minor league teams...
Not sure about this. I think in 2021 we were seen as bad and ended up being bad. in 2020 and 2019 G2 were seen as contenders, which they ended up being. Rest was considered bad, which turned out to be true. I suppose in 2018 we did better than expected, but that's really it in recent years. Before this, we just did bad
By defenition EU is one of the best regions at worlds ( they are rated 3rd and outperform lower rated teams ). Last year for instance EU was as good as NA, the year before FNC and G2 didnt do badly but ultimatley G2 one vs GenG and that was it, in 2019 only G2 did anyting tho it must be said EU looked the strongest as a region ever sinse for the first time all teams got out of groups. So for the past 3 years EU has 1 team that did well and the rest of the region wasnt that good compared to the LCK and LPL. ALso we dont compare teams but regions ( since there are more than 1 team per region ), so it will be more acurate to say PSG is smashing everyone but they get knocked out in CL, but another french team wins.
@@stefankatsarov5806 I suppose we just have different ideas of what it takes to "do good" at worlds for EU. I don't see EU has doing good, if no teams even made semis. No matter if all teams looked fine in groups/quarters. Which is why I think last year was a disaster for EU. I feel it's hard to value EU as a region and not just 1 team, cuz it does seem like its only that one team putting up results (almost). I hope this year will be different tho, but my expectations has lowered quite a lot compared to 2019/2020 (even 2018 after groups, I suppose).
I mean, if the point is to say that there will be a LPL and a LCK team in each group, well yes we figured so. Isn't it just like the two last years ? And each time it seemed quite doable, last year we only had one team playing, and they faced Damwon in quarters which was just sad. We wont get anywhere by expecting an easy group, each of our teams will get to the event willing to win against these eastern players, and ever tho the odds aren't the same for each one of them it remains safe to expect at least a few wins along the way.
Except that this year both lpl and lck seems more stacked. Last year lpl’s Lng seems relatively weak, the same to go with lck’s GenG and HLE. This year lpl’s fourth seed is the reigning MSI champion…
But wasn't it determined that this year's worlds groups were like : 1. LCK 1st, LPL 1st, LEC 1st, LCS 1st 2. LCK 2nd, LPL 2nd, LEC 2nd, PCS 1st 3. LCK 3rd, LPL 3rd, LCS 2nd, VCS 1st 4. Play-ins qualified teams So then if G2 wins EU they're even more fucked, cause they play Gen.G and JDG... Edit : After reviewing the comments, it was determined that I am indeed smoking the good stuff and that these were pools and not groups.
Group draw wont be till next week,and why on Earth would they chose to do such a stupid grouping,its gifting worst teams quarter finals on a silver platter.
No those are the pools which means that each team in the same pool will play in a different group so if G2 gets first place they are garanteed to not play Geng and JDG
Groups never work like that you have either 1st lpl 1st lck or 1st lec 1st lpl or 1st lec 1st lck u never get all 1st seeds from all 4 regions in same group
And What if 1st LEC or 1st LCS seed would draw in 1st PSC and 1st VCS team? It is possible and riot can’t say this is against the rules bcs they can’t Just say that lck and lpl team will make out of play-ins. But in this scenario if 4 lck and 4 lpl make grup stage one of those team would not have a grup to go into without facing team from same region. That’s why so many 4 seed fot region is not a ideal solution. If riot want 4 seed per major region (without NA xd) than they should make more grups and more seeds for others.
G2 already proved that they can compete with LCK and LPL Im confident that our boys can make it out of groups maybe first is optimistic but second is very possible
Can we stop thinking "AAA WE'RE DOOMED"? FPX was a contender last year and they crashed and burned. This can happen to anyone including EU or NA, but srsl stop saying every eastern team is like full of gods. in 2019 FNC got out of group of death. In 2018 GENG were 1/5 and last place in group. Anything can happen, stop being so pessimistic...
The fact you're saying better teams have to crash and burn so NA and EU must have a chance instead of saying they are good enough to compete is the exact reason people say we're doomed.
if you watched lpl you realise that probably top 10 lpl is better or equal to eu and far above na, its much worse than earlier year. But Korea is weaker than expected but are still strong and compare it to earlier years there was always a weaker team in each region, this year the "weaker" eastern teams are DWG, EDG, RNG 2 world champions and one msi champion are the "weaker" teams and i do understand why everyone is kinda scared for the west although upsets can always happen, but the stars really have to allign for this one
@@kingskele378 Meta will change, just like at MSI. Plus eastern players are human and not robots, for example infamous JackeyLove play from a few days ago costing TES the series.
@@Chuanese bot checks out, learn to play instead of memorising, cry is free dog - never winning valorant without brain. League esports suck, dota 2>>> more engaging
i think the no 2 teams from the same region should not matter for the play ins teams. The play ins teams that make it out should be able to go into any group because they already fought to survive elimination.
Because they think lpl teams are perfect teams, as if they never choke in group before, lpl teams were literally beated by eu/ na teams in groups last year
LPL by definition are not perfect and LCK teams have no agency, literal no brain no namer crying dogs - actual animals like T1 “fans/people”. Just literal sheep
That's the LPL format diff right here, man 3rd and 4th seed from LPL easily stronger than NA and EU seeds combined... Imagine RGE and C9 getting DK and RNG like come on hahaha
G2 need to draw DRX because that is the only LCK or LPL Team G2 can beat then ofc the LPL Team would get 1st in the Group but with DRX G2 can maybe get 2nd but yeah the other LEC and NA Teams are just fucked because G2 is the only western Team that can beat DRX
G2 has always done well against T1 and really against lck in general except for peak damwon. Honestly I wouldn't bet against g2 against any lck team outside of geng, not saying they're favorites against T1 but definitely would be a really close series.
@@KaycCal Didn't G2 get 3-0ed by an off form T1 at MSI in the third fastest BO5 in lol history tho? Also there's no point judging T1, regardless of if they win or not, they never have bombed out before semis of any international regardless of the roster lmao. Look at last year, made semis and lost 3-2 with a 6 week old roster and no coaches.
The thing is, if there is a group including the first seed of EU, 2nd of LCK and 3rd from LPL + 1 open slot from play-in, then the 4 teams to qualify are 4th of LCK, 4th of LPL and 3rd and 4th from LEC, who do you put in this group? This means that either there could be a group with 2 teams from the same region, or there can't ever be any group with 1 team from EU, LPL and LCK in their 3 1st seeds... Did I miss something?
If that is the case the grouping will change I think because PCS and VSC first seed are in pool 2 and 3 and they must make sure that only one team from the same region per group . This years grouping are kinda weird because we never ever have 5 major regions in play- in before and I really wanna see if there is the case you mention and what will happen
In that case when they draw the 3rd of LPL they will make sure not to slot it into this group but instead another group which does not violate the one per region rule.
@@ddmm9634 I also wondering how the group draw is done because it happen after LCS final , if 4 teams from lec,lpl,lck all get into the main event then 2lcs 1vcs 1pcs must be in different group but vcs and pcs are in different pool and there a chance these 2 team end up same group , unless they changing the rule that wildcard region can’t be in same group.
@@ddmm9634 the thing is, these groups are drawn waaaay before the play-in, so at that time, it will not violate any rule. The case could only ever happen after the play-in, when you can't do anything anymore. I wonder if they thought about it.
Afaik G2 have qualified from groups every time they attended worlds, with exception of 2021 when they did not qualify at all. Hope they dont break the streak.
Caedral dismissed the possibility that the 4th LCK/LPL seed may have to knock out each other in play-ins to get to the main stage, and the other one is between NA and EU
@@nicolask5229 hypothetically they could pcs is pool 2 and vcs is pool 3 but for it to happen on lck or lpl team would have to not make it through play ins which makes it very unlikely.
Basicaly he was just saying that lck and lpl 1st to 4 th places are all superior to 1st seed of na/eu, which is a true statement that everyone knows, but in the end eu teams have made some beautiful games previously before high end teams, even c9 managed last year to make some beautiful games against rogue and fpx so there will always be a chance.
Turns out that giving the best regions more teams in the tournament kind of ruins the intrigue eh? We already know that the final will be LPL vs LCK but c'mon Riot, at least let everybody else pretend that they have a chance
Eh no? Imagine more teams from wildcards or west, it'll be more doomed show or shit show going around when there's another level of fight going on the other side. At least we get to see intense Bo1 and strength check before heading into Bo5
at football world cup, europe has 16 tickets and asia has 8 tickets, you know. i am asian and i'm pretty sure giving more tickets to asia won't make any difference. even if there are 50 asian countries and 2 european countries in the tournament, it's gonna be europe vs europe final anyways.
According to Wiki Pool 1 would be - JDG, GEN, LEC 1st, LCS 1st Pool 2 would be - TES, T1, LEC 2nd, CFO Pool 3 would be - EDG, DK, LCS 2nd, GAM So Pool 4 should consist of - DRX, RNG/LNG, MAD/FNC/RGE, TL/100T/EG. I think its reasonable to accept that no minor region (cept NA lol) will be comin out of playins G2's best group would be CFO, EDG, DRX. 2nd seed's best group would be GEN, GAM, LNG/RNG
Caedrel's suggestion probably gives G2 a better chance at winning the group, but because that's nearly impossible your suggestion is definitely better (they should just try to get out in 2nd and hope for easy quarters matchup)
GEN, GAM, RNG is a death sentence LOL. No matter how much copium I inhale, I still can't see LEC 2nd seed taking a game off of GEN & RNG, and if you know GAM, they're actually a pretty strong Bo1 team.
By this time he probably realizes how many errors his drawing board contains. Fun fact, though: if both EU teams get out of playins allong with LPL and LCK team then 1st seed EU can't draw LCK/LPL for both 2nd and 3rd seed because the 4th seed would be invalid. So then they'll be guaranteed to play one NA/PCS/VN team from these pools. That leaves them with DRX/RNG as final seed, both of which I believe G2 can handle (although RNG is rather scary). Since the introduction of 4th LPL/LCK seed, groups is always a death ball to get through. Perhaps it is better this way, that getting to quarters is less dependant on getting a group of life/death so getting through actually means you're a power house. I hope EU performs well. Sadly the 5th EU seed (TL) is already eliminated.
There is a world where G2 gets PSG , EDG and DRX , which is tough but top 2 is very possible . Then u have JDG + SKT + Rogue + TL which is doomed for rogue, then possibly C9 + TOP + DK + MAD , Gen g + fnatic + 100T + RNG
No matter what's the topic, these discussions always end up about roasting NA teams. 😄
Because they are so bad. If you have eye balls and watch all regions you can just see it
I mean there is a good reason for it.
@@DC-ml6cv eu always shit talks na and say they are worse every year like a jealous girlfriend constantly have Na in their mouth lol because they can't win shit just like Na the west sucks so bad never gonna win a worlds ever can't wait to see G2 get their bootycheeks clapped by a real league from the east
Na looks bad in valorant and ends up beating eastern teams but EMEA wins it all because asia is so trash and you simply have to go beyond trivial memorisation and use actual brain like finnish school system xd
@@dragonplayz6606 brotha have u been watching champions,
Yes i discovered this the moment it was announced that EU would have 4 seeds, if 3rd and 4th seed from EU make it to group stage we essentially have 4 groups of death with each group contaning one EU team, one KR team and one CN team + a random team
Btw good luck against GAM, especially in a Bo1
You’re assuming that EU will have both teams make it out of play ins I’m not so sure tbh. Play ins honestly not looking bad this year
@@olsenfernandes3634 GAM is free win
@@cedriclim6114 We'll see
Eu 4 doesn't have great chances on the lower bracket
All I hope is that we don't get LCK vs LCK and LPL vs LPL in Quarters.
To be honest I feel like any out of these 6Teams have a chance; GENG, TES, T1, RNG, G2(well... copium), and JDG, but I forgot DK and fucking EDG aswell like DAMN I love worlds and gonna watch every single game, over all I think GenG will win it tho
@@farinthefuture2178 geng looks clean like dwg 2020
@@21___dcy Then the meta becomes top sided carry and support mid and everything goes to shit. But I agree, if the meta stays the same as right now GenG is looking really good.
@@shinstx4067 Pefect meta for t1/jdg then imo and maybe even damwon.
We dont have a choice tho
This is also how it was last year: if you want out of groups, you have to best a Korean or a Chinese team.
Yea but this year LPL looks scarier than last year and EU looks less strong.
LPL looks a lot different though. All 4 teams are freakin' scary.
It’s gonna be tough beating LPL teams. As for LCK, GenG, and T1 are most likely to advance, whereas DRX is definitely beatable, and DK isn’t as strong as last year so there’s a good chance to beat them.
If lpl team choke like fpx . Even NA CAN get out of the group
@@TheKevinGeee Haha can u imagine that the MSI champion this year is now 4th seed in LPL now. xD
What we need is 6 groups with a round of 16 before quarter finals. The best 4 third seats go on from the 6 groups. You get more space for wildcard teams to actually compete and you spread out the lck, lpl and lec teams a bit more. 8 more seats from 2 more groups means we can skip the play ins (to some extend).
Small problem: Money
Edit: _and time_
@@olsenfernandes3634 Delete playins, and everyone gets to play in the main group stage. More group stage games makes more money, not less.
The actual problem is that there still are more than enough shit teams. I want more best of 5s between really good teams. I mean who cares watching any EU or NA teams getting smashed by better eastern teams this year? Maybe G2 has some kind of chance, but Jesus Christ, the group stage should be the least important part of the fucking tournament. Maybe we should have more international competition with a global ranking of some sort, to solve this seeding bs. Also a double elimination format in the actual important part would be really fucking nice.
Buuuut since it is Riot, we won’t ever have nice things and all of this discussion will lead nowhere
All 24 teams in groups, 6teams each group, Bo1 or Bo3. Top 1 seeded to quarters. Top 2-5 would play single elimination Bo3 or Bo5. The 4 that would come out of will face the 4 top 1 teams, Bo5.
@@combeebrian247
The bigger the groups are, the more games need to be played in group stage, growing exponentially. If you add 2 more teams to a group, that group needs to play 18 more games (30 ! instead of the usual 12 games with 4 teams per group), means you actually add 72 games for 4 groups.
Adding 2 new groups means you just add 24 games, adding a round of 16 means 8 more matches there, adding 40 games with bo5 or 24 games with bo3.
Alternatively, the second seats from the 6 groups could compete for the 2 seats left for quarters, which wouldn't add that many games: You could go for the 4 "weakest" 2nd seats competing in a bo5 (10 games in bo5) and in a second round, the winners compete with the 2 best 2nd seats for the 2 quarter final seats (another 10 games in bo5).
I'm not a fan of bo5 too early, they just take too long from a viewer perspective and it wouldnt be worth it for early rounds. I'd go for bo3 in the round of 16 and quarter finals and bo5 in the semi finals and finals.
Adding a round of 16 would also make groups play out better because there would actually be a difference between going 3rd compared to 4th place.
I actually looked up how many teams compete in play-ins and main, it's 24 teams. So 6 groups would actually completely eliminate the play-ins stage, it would also add excitement with teams from the minor regions actually being able to compete in group stage for advancing to the next round.
Let's say these are the pools:
pool 1: 2x lck, 2x lpl, 1 lec, 1 lcs
pool 2: 1 lck, 1lpl, 1 lec, 1lcs and 1 south asian and 1 vietnam
pool 3: 1 lck, 1 lpl, 2 lec, 1 lcs and 1 from south asia or vietnam (depending which region was better)
pool 4: 1 brazil, 1 oceania, 1 latin america, 1 turkey, 1 japan and the last south asian/vietnam team
How shit would it be if Rogue draws yet ANOTHER group of death three in a row LMAO
GEN GEN JDG JDG NA
RGE RGE RGE RGE RGE
EDG GAM GAM DK EDG/DK
WC RNG DRX WC RNG/DRX
2/5 Chance to not get fucked which completely depends on what form DRX is showing
Seems like either way there would be a group of death considering the LPL strengths
with 4 lck and lpl every group kinda is. you can't get super unlucky/lucky with a massive disparity in the groups like before at least on paper
mad and probably rogue will be play ins agains RNG, DRX and 1 NA team plus wildcards so dont even bet that they will get to groups, i would be happy if 1 eu team makes it out. If they match vs the 4th lpl and 4th lck its gg
The only group that isnt really a group of death is the one who has drx in it tbh
Cathedral is actually wrong about G2 which can draw a possible group for themselves like "G2-TES-EG-DRX". Just give the second seed to the monster and take weak ones for the rest. TES 6-0 and G2 can go 4-2 or 3-3 then tiebreak with DRX.
Exactly what i thought. They want DRX to be the 4th seed who they will have to beat, TES or EDG doesn't really matter they will get first anyway and then either an NA or PCS team which should also be beatable whoever it is
How does flakked targamas not solo lose the game in the deft beryl lane?
@@riseagainstthemachine6079 true :/
G2-CFO-DK-NA 3rd seed
Assuming NA 3rd seed make it out of play-ins. This is the best possible group scenario for them.
@@jhonreymonddetablan6184
But its 4 lpl teams and 4 groups. So there will for sure be an lpl team in every group
I agree that it is doomed but is doomed for every region in groups in Bo1. 4 death groups.
Caedrel casually giving us the LEC script, where FNC loses today against MAD and we have a RGE-G2 finals.
And g2 wins finals as well
I don't see mad lions losing to rogue and God I hope rge doesn't get to play G2 again cause they obviously fall apart on playing G2
That didn’t age well
Fnatic has plot armor, they won somehow
@@JohnfGoODo they should be able to beat rge now right ...
He kinda forgot about EG didn't he? With that said... a group with G2(1st seed) T1(2nd seed) EG(3rd seed I'm calling it) and RNG(4th seed) would be epic. It's MSI rematch.
He auto assume tl is beating eg lol which I hardly believe will happen.
@@evilkingster he also assumed that EU 4 will get out of play in above NA 3 which is hard copium cause Mad was 4 and they bombed in play ins
Eg and rng are both pool 4
@@nicolask5229 not necessarily
@@evilkingsteryeah totally not happening!
New challenge for Western teams "Get out of groups"
@BREQKER it wasn't when there were no 4th seed and less strength from 3rd/4th seed. With double elimination format, LPL and LCK are quite stacked now
EU will win worlds copium
This Worlds gonna be so fire! So fkg stacked!
It's really sad that it's gonna be a Bo1 in Group, I would've watched a Bo5 or Bo3 between all of them.
Our best chance to get out of groups is G2 drafting DRX in their group. Probably our best chance to get 1 team in BO5
Blah blah blah.
Vitality once trashed on GenG.
Eu will be fine.
@@ponglenis9273 they really won't. All lpl and lck teams are potential contenders for the title. And no eu team has played up to bar to be considered fine into any of those teams
@@jonasdk9 g2 is considwred very fine against these teams
@@jonasdk9 G2 and Fnatic have proven over and over again, that they can keep up with those top teams, the exception being last year where upset wasn’t around and G2 wasn’t even at worlds.
@@ponglenis9273 G2 0-3 vs T1 in semis. RNG won MSI and is now 4th seed in LPL. Meanwhile in LEC G2 doesnt seem to have develop that much since MSI at all.
You know what's funny? C9 with RGE and DK is arguably their best group considering how LEC might underperform and DK being bad. However the other groups, good luck lmao.
uhm idk about dk being bad. they're definitely not as good as they had been in 2020 and 2021, but they still made worlds as lck 3rd seed. barely lost to t1 in semis and defeated lsb to make worlds. still, i don't think there is a better group for c9, not because rge and dk are weak (dk is strong and rge is irrelevant), but because they are not gonna do any better against tes or edg. now that i think about it, maybe c9, rge, edg and drx is a better group for c9. drx is weaker than dwg and there is pretty much no difference between edg and rng (edg might be a bit stronger overall, but it's not like it matters since the lpl team will take the 1st seed of that group regardless).
"DK being bad"
Yeah, I think you guys are forgetting that DK is still an A rank team who beat LSB and KT.(Those 3 are on the same level as 2021 GenG) Tbh, idk how DRX even managed to qualify instead of LSB and KT.
DK is bad but watching the clown fiesta of LCS/LEC isn't? Kek my good C9 fans are delusional.
DK almost won against T1 in summer semis
People are overrating T1 after their inconsistency finally showed. DK narrowly won against a weak T1 what does that say about DK? I'm rooting for LPL this year. I don't think GenG can fight the onslaught of LPL teams. NA might make it past groups but that's it
I think Damwon is the most important pull for the groups draw. Finding them means you
- get a beatable LCK team
- can still get a wildcard/NA team
- will probably get destroyed by a strong LPL team but can contest for 2nd place
- will get clapped in quarters
Getting T1/GenG means you face a strong KR team and a strong LPL team, finding DRX means you don't have a wildcard team in your group, so then you have to prayge for an NA team. Any way, it looks very rough.
I didn't watch any LCK, but can you explain why you would prefer DK over DRX? If you're going to get stomped by all 4 LPL teams anyway, wouldn't you prefer to have the weakest LCK team?
tbh no matter what we draw, we need to beat everyone in order to win it all so i dont really care about draws
T1 strong...???
I think any Korea team that isn't GenG looks somewhat beatable compared to most other teams you can draw rn
@@Shearenity I'd say DRX and DK are both beatable. DRX are in pool 4 which means instead of them, you'd get a fairly easy team whereas the replacement for DK would be a harder team to beat.
The thing is its never happens as you think. LPL 2. team which was FPX threw several games in 2021. Its makes no sense to draw a graph and say this team has no chance over that team.
exactly, its been the same for X years, people still talk shit about EU but our teams are really doing great at worlds.
Sure it does make sense, it just also makes sense that the expected results could fail to eventuate.
Its always the same EU is doomed at worlds and except 2021 which IMO was an off year for EU they always do fine.
I mean until lec cast b03 lec won't get further than max finals and is a known fact
@@alfafran6533 doing great? Only old g2 did great and maybe old fnc. Rogue get clapped every year and MAD got clapped last year hard has hell.
EU's only hope is that they figure out a new strategy which they did in the past many times. Asian teams are stubborn and refuse to adapt to new metas.
not really only lck teams have this problem
@@rallolollo9309 No LCK team has failed to make it out of groups since 2018. The LPL teams are much more prone to dropping out of groups or straight up imploding like FPX, but once it comes to bo5 series they're normally stronger.
double top, share jungle lets go. ghost heal on everyone.
The bottom line is that you have to win consistently by adapting to new meta. Why would LPL and LCK teams adapt to new meta aggressively when they are winning. It is a risk.
@@rallolollo9309 lpl doesn't adapt either, they just draft full on engage because at home every other team will handshake early aggression for early aggression, they have no other way of playing the game, has been so since SHR went to s4 world finals with Uzi and Insec dive bombing every fight and eventually riot decided to reward this kind of gameplay (s8, coincidentally the time China started to win trophies)
EU's 2 teams will have to be in the groups where there is no lck and lpl team (before counting play-ins), otherwise the play-ins teams wont be possible to fill out the groups in a way where there are no 2 teams from same region.
Example:
Say group 1,2,3 has lpl teams and 1,2 has EU teams. If lpl 4th seed and both EU teams make it out, lpl will slot into group 4, and EU into group 3, but last EU team has tl go into group 1 or 2 which they cant.
This is actually kinda good for EU, as both our 1st and 2nd seed has to get only 1 lpl or lck team in groups and the 4th seed from the other region.
Yes you're right but now there is nowhere you can put the 2 LCS teams. You can try all the possibilities and there will always be a problem in case 2 LEC + 1 LCS + 1 LCK or LPL go out of play-in (and the case 1LCK + 1LPL + 1LCS + 1LEC in one scenario)
no matter what the draw is, there will be a problem somewhere... so idk how riot will do this year... ^^'
True. Was looking at ut from a eurocentric perspective, but they've really messed it up by having 5 major region teams in play-ins. Cant wait to see how they solve this.
Unless the fix the play-ins groups and qualifying matches in a certain way, which would be ridiculous
Yes i cant wait to see it aswell! ^^ I think their only reasonable solution is to make the group draw after the play-in so that they know who are the qualified teams. But they wont do that :)
@@simondreyer7673 i think your math is wrong, i just did it and it works out fine
People should understand this, historically lck is the best reigon in group of stage, all lck teams made out group of stage except only 2 teams, one in 2013 and other in 2018, outside that, all lck teams made out and most of them made FIRST in group as well, while lpl teams has bad history in groups, the best example was last year, rng got beated by hle and fnc with sub adc, 100t beated edg, fpx got smashed by 3rd seed of na and lec, 4th of lpl never made out group of stage, this why eu teams should not fear lpl teams in groups.
Even if I'm a big LPL fan I gotta say true
EU should absolutely fear LPL in groups. 4th seed narrative is overrated and will come back to bite EU teams, LGD was genuinely bad and LNG finished 3-3 with everyone else and almost knocked out MAD (EU #1) last year. You're definitely right that Eastern teams can be upset and EU is imo pretty likely to get a team out of groups, but discounting teams like RNG and EDG is insanity.
beated XDDDDDDDDDDDD
Top 4 of LPL this season could absolutely stomp any team from any other region but LCK rn. Last year was a trash showing from LPL but this season i’d be surprised if they don’t take over at worlds.
@@pierreabiven1533 trash showing as reigon, edg carried lpl, I can say the same, lck was trash showing in 2020 and still won worlds
I mean if you want to win worlds you can’t be picky about groups, you should be confident no matter who is playing in your group, you’ll beat them. Or is the goal here to just get out of groups?
We'd be lucky to get out of groups, yes.
You gonna get out of groups first…
For EU, making it to semis is the dream. For na, making out of groups is the dream.
Wanting is all good but it's literally not possible with how the LEC is now. Realistic goal is getting semis.
yeah the goal is just to get out of groups, eastern teams, especially LPL look so incredibly strong rn i dont think any LEC team has a chance to win worlds
I just can't wait for this worlds man everything looks stacked as hell like even if you try to create a group consisting of all the 3rd-4th seed of LPL, LCK, and LEC +wildcard the games are still a banger to watch
Gotta love how you just dismiss NA like we didn’t do better then them at worlds last year. 😂🤡
@@williambartsch1128 how many of these players were actually from america you clown
@@williambartsch1128 better? 1 eu and 1 na teams in PO - 0-3 both of them. Like, they are equally shitty compared to lck/lpl. In the same groups eu and na did equally - 2-4(A) and 3-3(D). See no reason to mention group B and C - eu and na didnt get out so why even bother.
looking at the bracket it will be the EU 3ed seat that will not make it since they are in the same div as KOR 4th and CHI 4th sead
RNG is scary yes, but for either RGE or FNC, DRX is not that scary.
I mean, it's the same thing for the last 2 years. The setup is the same, the only thing that has changed is all LPL teams looking scary. But it's not like they are unbeatable. It also seems like there is a huge difference between getting GenG from LCK or any other team. T1 doesn't look as good as they did during MSI.
i mean if you think damwon and t1 are any worse than lpl teams u must be deluded
this is exactly everyone was saying last worlds about LCK being DWG the only good team from the LCK and guess what 3 LCK teams at Semis , sure none of them won worlds but saying LCK is weaker compared to last year is just bullcrap
tbf last year too lpl was superhyped up before worlds but they didn't do that great during group stage
@@liviuscrown4357 3 LCK team only because EU had a shit year . Don‘t delude yourself
T1 looked terrible at MSI. It’s not like they got much worse from MSI.
I am a T1 fan and they were great in spring but MSI and Summer is more or less the same with bot lane struggling and zeus Oner carrying.
So if that’s your metric, i dont know how much copium you got because T1 was terrible at MSI and still was better than G2. As someone else said, the only beatable team from the east is DRX and Damwon are a bit coinflip.
And maybe you can hope for 1 LPL team to bomb like FPX did last year but I wouldnt count on the top 2 teams atleast to flop that hard this year
pray for the meta or surprise draft, otherwise it would be 7~8 KR + CN out of groups if they don't underperform, because historically LPL chokes at bo1
***2015: 3 KR 1 CN 2 EU 1 NA 1 TW
2016: 3 KR 2 CN 1 EU 1 NA 1 wild
2017: 3 KR 2 CN 2 EU 1 NA
***2018: 2 KR 3 CN 2 EU 1 NA
***2019: 3 KR 2 CN 3 EU
2020: 3 KR 3 CN 2 EU
2021: 4 KR 2 CN 1 EU 1 NA
Imo people been rating lpl way too high in bo1 when that is where they are the weakest. They are good at bo3 and bo5.
I dont know if he tlaks about this, but I think DRX as lck 4 would give G2 best chance. then you can get vietnam or NA seeded in
Best EU chance would be G2 (EU 1st) 100T (NA 2nd) EDG ( China 3rd) DRX ( Korea 4th)
Yup and to be honest this Group world be pretty cool
yeah that draw probably the only chance west has in this worlds to advance
For G2 group, G2 PCS1 EDG DRX maybe it's the best draw
That or G2, TOP, C9/VCS1, DRX. Having a stronger lpl team means they will take more games off of other teams. I can see TOP beating C9/VCS1 harder than edg beating PCS1. But yeah it all depends on drawing DRX for them.
@@allenlu7181 drx is the weaker korean but the lck teams always are hard to beat in group stage
Nah miss me with this doom talk. Every year groups of death get upset or perform unexpectedly. In worlds anything can happen, let's wait and see. I actually hope our NA bros perform well as well and let's take down East together like back in 2019 ;)
Smartest furry take
it literally happened once, but if it makes u hopeful so be it
All the 3/4th seed from lck lpl are tough other than DRX
EDG 2021 Worlds Champ
RNG 2021, 2022 MSI Champ
DK 2020 Worlds Champ
Only team to really count on from na is c9 every (or at least almost any, maybe I'm forgetting a year) c9 is the best na team at world's (they even get to leave groups)
@@jokerduck2836 most years they get out of groups
So basically G2 is in the same situation as FNC was in at 2019 worlds. Where FNC had to face RNG and SKT1 who were the respective 1st and 2nd seed of LCK and LPL
Tbf FNC made it out so anything is possible
I don’t really feel like they are screwed. It just comes down to, can they beat drx. Drx does not look that good. All the seeds from LEC are kind of in the same situation where they will lose to the Chinese representative, beat the NA representative, and then go against DRX. That is the best situation for them if the group has the four major regions. Obviously going against a minor region would be better as well.
There hasnt been a single instance in history where not all four korean teams made it to quarters, eu is definitely fucked xd
LPL are bo5 monsters but, since groups are BO1s I wouldn’t count out EU teams just yet
G2 is better than DRX. The best group G2 can have is EDG and DRX and the PCS#1 as second seed.
Exactly what I was thinking. I wouldn't say G2 is straight up better than DRX, but DRX does seem insanely more beatable than RNG.
There is no 2nd seed from na. NA has 1 seed 3 seed and maybe 4 seed from play ins
@@Kxyt CFO then, from PCS.
Yeah that group is very much doable.
G2 is better than drx? I would like to see that🤣
"Only then you can get a Wildcard team in your group, or a NA team" - So what's the difference?
Difference is the wildcard regions can and will upset. I'm still ringing Saigon Buffalo's win vs G2 in MSI.
You would think; however NA didn’t lose to a wildcard team at MSI but G2 did
Higher chance to lose to a wildcard. Just like G2 did. 0-2 against PSG btw :)
Every seed from NA is way better then wild card teams we prove it very World and MSI except for when C9 went to MSI with perks other then that we beat them soundly
I would say at worlds, NA has normally gotten the upper hand over EU in direct matches. C9 knocked out Vitality in 2018, C9 knocked out Rogue last year etc.
Honestly not sure why you’re shit talking NA when the rest of the LEC outside of G2 are dogshit.
I'm just sad that we won't be having a double elimination BO5s this year with the quality of teams that are participating. Pls riot just make it happen.
Just accept that LPL summer finals is going to be the most hype tournament until LPL spring finals xd
Best realistic is probably getting second seed NA, then EDG and then probably DRX
Playoffs should have 12 teams, 8 starting in upper bracket (1st and 2nd from each group) and 4 starting in lower bracket (3rd from each group)
I don't understand the point of addding a looser bracket, it's a system that you cannot balance; that said I agree that they should add more teams in the knock out stage
yeah that would be a cool format which means it won't happen
Possible playin scenarios: Rng-Mad-Brasil / Drx-100T-Oce / Rge-Vietnam-Turkey / Byg-Dfm-LAm ---> bo5's: Rng-100T / Rge-Mad / Drx-Dfm / Byg-Vietnam ---> Rng, Rge, Drx, Byg make it.
I would say statistically it's still likely an eu team makes it out of groups. Even if you viewed EU as an underdog to both asian teams in every single group, the likelihood of at least 1 making it out is still fairly high. Similar to how unintuitive it may be that with only 23 people in a room, the chances there's a shared birthday are around 50% (even with assumed even distribution of birthdays which isn't the case). CN as a region is known for really high highs and low lows, we can get another FPX level collapse again. Every year there's at least one asian team, sometimes more, that just straight boom at worlds. I think the doomer scenarios really happen in playoffs, where we can only really hope there's some dumb bracket shenanigans putting the two top asian teams on the opposite side of the bracket.
Also I think the LCK is still quite top heavy. I don't think DRX would win against and EU pool 1 or 2 team
@@Micha-qv5uf Idk lck is really good at bo1. G2 can definitely beat drx in a bo5 but you never bet against Korean team group lol.
remember about FPX incident on 2021 worlds
It's simple, all groups have 1 LCK and 1 LPL team, so its fucked either way.
Don't be so quick to put DRX in group stage. They are by far - and I mean really really far - the weakest LPL or LCK team at Worlds. They shouldn't even have qualified. Sure, having DRX in your group means either TES or EDG as well, but then you practically only have to beat the VCS, NA or PCS seed in the case of G2. In the case of RGE or FNC whoever gets 3rd seed the point stays the same if you get the NA 1st seed ofcourse. If not, then it's doomed.
I got a new idea to make worlds more interesting for us all. You get to have 3 stages before playoffs. First is a fiesta between wildcard’s. Than the top teams jumps to the 2nd tier which is PCS/VCS/LCS/LEC. Here is where we get to shine a bit. Than the top teams from that tier jump to the last tier to get smashed by LCK/LPL.
no matter what the topic is LPL is kinda scary right now i think LPL teams will dominate the upcoming worlds
This did not age well...
Gen g vs tes in group stage this would be the most interesting match up at worlds
Yes asian teams do well in groups, but everyone is forgetting that every year some asian teams will super underperform. Usually this is due to bo1 and meta change. This literally happened every single Worlds. Remember in 2019 when FNC got SKT and RNG? FNC finished with 4-2 just 1 win behind SKT who finished 5-1. Also G2 has insane luck every Worlds, they somehow get the easiest groups every year. At least 1-2 of LPL teams will underperform, depends on the meta. LCK teams usually will do well in groups if teams play slow, but if teams can surprize them, they're going down too. And NA is not making out of groups anyway, so all LEC has to do is get at least 2nd seed and good luck in bo5. I expect at least 3 LEC teams making out of groups this year🤔🤔🤔
The problem is that holistically the Asian teams look stronger. Best case scenario you're still looking at Damwon and RNG
holy moly u expect for 3, i just hope for 2
Na is getting one team out groups dw, lec is getting 2
Weird, everyone has this redirect that NA is doomed for sure and yet we made it out of groups last year with C9 and TL lost a tie breaker to make it out and 100T went 1-1 with the world champion EDG. So how is that doomed?
Isnt having the second seed china and drx as the fourth seed the best possibility? Like they could also get the 3rd seed Na team or a wildcard team. Or am i wrong?
2nd seed China is TES but Drx are pretty underwhelming rn so maybe
Ye rn it is. But 2nd seed LPL is TES, they look monsterous as 1st seed and there is still a possibility where the play-in team messes everything up, especially SGB, i mean just look at the previous MSI results individually.
Still, sloppy and scary scenario
For the people counting on eastern teams to choke must admit it is a very weak strategy.
Your win condition are not in your control seems like a losing mentality.
same people who play lane to "not lose" instead of actively winning it.
Actual trashbag mentality lmao
@@Geheimnis-c2e Was it khan interview post game vs MAD or C9?
@@Geheimnis-c2e playing lanes to not lose is good vs LPL because they draft early aggression all the time so if you draft double enchanter you just curb stomp after minute 30 if you break even or slightly behind
@@AGuy-0751 oh yeah man that sounds fool-proof, just that simple right /s
@@AGuy-0751 Fiora, Jax, Zeri, and Sivir are all crazy early game champions that don’t scale at all. /s
I also thought about Groupstage and even the best scenario u can get as a NA or an EU is still Hellfire. I mean MAD is totally Lost as 4th Seed. Best Scenario u can get is 1st Seed NA so EG, C9 or 100 with either T1 and EDG or TES and DK. So we have Nisqy vs Faker, Scout, Showmaker or Knight. I freakin love Nisqy but Holy Shit just gettem out of this.
I mean G2's best ideal group is getting DRX in their group as the LCK team because they're significantly weaker than all the other Asian teams. All the LPL teams can be a terror so no running from them
Like FPX last year. Such terror ;)
@@MrNaevus19 We'll see it
@@MrNaevus19 Like EDG last year
@@MrNaevus19 Except this yr the 3rd and 4th seed are the current MSI and World champions not LNG so good luck kiddo!!
@@MrNaevus19 I wonder how hard your favourite region will get massacred this yr
In my opinion 4th seeds ruin worlds. 4th seeds of the best two regions (kr+cn) just makes the tournament too top heavy. There is a world where the bracket stage of worlds is 4 cn and 4 kr teams. Like that shouldn't even be possible man. 2021 worlds was 4 kr, 2 cn, 1 eu , 1 na. Also as Caedral stated any advantage of being a seed 1 LEC or LCS team is gone when you will get a top tier CN and KR team in your group anyway.
Weird because no one complains about that in Valorant when EU and NA have majority of the seeds. 🤔
Worlds is a tournament of the best, if 4 korean or chinese teams are better than NA or EUs first or second thats on them lmao
@@kevinbaatar765 Best teams in the worlds are probably 10 lck teams + 14 lpl teams. The point of worlds to is the pit the best teams from different regions against each other. Thats why it's called WORLDS. Not China vs Korea Rift Rivals.
The reason it's called worlds is because it's a tournament where the winner is the "best" team in the world at that point. If the LPL and KR teams are better then yes they should have more slots. Just because you bring in more NA/EU teams doesn't mean they have a higher chance of winning or even getting to semis
@@MiLa-xi6qj You say they should have more spots but they don't need more to win MSI. Why do they need 4th seeds? 4th seeds don't even win worlds so why are they there. They are just filler teams that take the spots of other regions. GenG gonna clap whoever they face anyway so why does it have to be a CN 4th seed instead of an EU 2nd seed.
As bad as NA can look I’m actually surprised by the C9, EG, 100T, and TL and how well they can play. They aren’t consistent but they have their games which are just surprising.
100t took a game off of edg last year and they have the exact same roster, c9 somehow made it out of groups last year and beat dk in MSI 2021 with an arguably weaker team. Besides 0-6 against g2 eg showed ok in MSI last year
@@AGuy-0751 Coming from NA, I just want us to prove ourselves for once. I’m a 100T guy, but I will root for my NA boys no matter how bad we get stomped 😅 100T probably has the best bet, but I can see TL pulling something off. C9 and EG look kind of rough, especially since EG Danny’s champ pool isn’t meta for worlds. But who knows. Maybe my region will get destroyed like usual 🥲
@@tannior392 have you been watching the lcs playoffs?
@@D5Zach7511 only the 100T games. Watched EG play terribly against TSM. it was pathetic. C9 isn’t solid and TL and 100T seems to be the only great games to watch. So yes I guess I have been lol.
@@tannior392 C9 isn't solid? They are looking to be the best team in NA atm.
Could be wrong about this, but didn't they change it so first NA seed is tier 2 for seeding into Worlds groups and its either the 2nd seed from China or Korea that gets the last tier 1 spot? I am not positive about this, but I thought that was how it went last year.
* Never mind! Just looked it up and NA first seed does get a tier 1 spot this year.
To be fair, the situation is the same as last year, just with an extra EU team. You know 2021, when C9 made it out of groups and FPX got 4th.
But I agree that it is looking pretty bad.
Let's not forget the most recent grp of death, DWG, FPX, RGE, C9. And from that grp, c9 got out, and dwg, numbers means nothing if performance isn;t there, g2 could get at an easy grp and suck at it, they could get an impossilble and also suck at it, it doesn't matter, whatever will happen will happen.
U can't win worlds without though matchups. Also is winning by avoiding all great teams really winning?
True
He talking about group tho. There no way in hell g2 is winning world with this many stacked team. They couldn’t even do it with the 2019 roster that won msi.
" *Who the fk is Flying Oister??* " I lost XD
PCs first seed
Best group G2 can get is probably: G2, NA 2nd (100T/C9 most likely), EDG, and DRX. Strong probability that they're better than NA, could pretty easily be better than DRX. EDG obviously scary, so you're probably looking at a 2nd seed. Imo almost no likelihood G2 can get first in any group draw. What Caedrel is describing is probably their best way to win a group, but do we really trust G2 vs. both Damwon and RNG? Even peak G2 couldn't get 1st seed against lower seeded LPL/LCK teams (and they only faced 1 each time-GRF and Suning)
Can't G2 just get PCS 1, VCS 1, and LCK 4, which would be DRX?
@@combatfolk5643 nop because the other groups can't have a 2 chinesse or 2 korean
@@drago8170 I was wondering about this grouping , lec 1st seed lpl 2nd seed lck 3rd seed and the teams from play-in are lec 3,4 seed , lpl and lck 4th seed so who should we put into that group ? Because we having group draw event before play- in starts right , so the pool 1,2,3 will be set and 1 vacant slot for pool 4 so what happen if the four team advanced from playin stage are 2 lec 1lpl 1lck ?
@@blesskind1330Group draw is done after play-ins. If both RNG and DRX make it out of pla-ins, which is almost guarenteed. it means that each group MUST have a lpl and lck team. Which greatly narrows down the possibilities of group stage. Essentially for LEC team to get out of groups they have the find the best combo of LPL/LCK team where they can beat atleast 1 of them.
@@allenlu7181 the first group draw is right after LCS final which is 11 or 12 September they announced it.
Caedrel made a mistake cuz NA is pool 1/3 and MAD wouldnt be Pool3 cuz EU has 2 4th seed teams if both teams quality through play ins (his MAD pool3 is as wrong as no NA team from pool3)
so the example is kinda flawed
Either the EU teams level up, or they dont. If our teams manage to actually play at 100%, getting another finals isnt impossible. If they play like shit, they get knocked out. it is what it is
from regular season i felt like EU teams don't have such low level like in 6 last years
@@MrValgard really? I haven't watched every game, but most games I watched this year looked awful, I think lec is as it weakest
@@farinthefuture2178 if you cant even keep track of what teams are going, please dont have opinions on the teams
They cant get this group cuz there might be 3 regions getting out of Play ins. 3rd 4th eu seeds 4th lpl and 4th LCK. Then non of those teams cant go to thos group.
U have to get either NA PCS or VCS to your group cuz play ins and main stage draw is at the same day
i expect 4 lpl, 3 lck and one eu team to get to playoffs
There’s always one or two LPL team flopping in group stage. Remember how FPX and LNG did in last worlds group stage?
@@Trentacca lng didnt flop; they played to their level, which was slightly worse than gen g
yup, drx is prob gonna choke
@@Ice_Icemb still fpx, edg and rng got beated from eu/ na teams which means they are Beatable
@@aotisgoat4343 cool, and I never said anything about or against that.
I'm so mad LNG didn't make it, otherwise we could have had C9, Rogue, Damwan, and LNG (with DoinB) in a group
i have 0 hope for us eu frogs at worlds. i just hope na gets stomped harder
based
Copium, NA had more wins then EU last year
the most sane EU fan.
EU and NA are both The West, we are brothers
@@captspeedy1899 agreed
This is, however, assuming that the lck/lpl teams get through playins. Should by some hellish choke one of those teams be eliminated before group stage, there is one group which doesnt have both an lck and an lpl team.
It might be time to add more teams from minor regions etc to Worlds, these groups are already starting to just be impossible for any team that isn’t top tier. Would be nice to have SOME games where minor regions get to play the top teams, and a chance for lesser teams to get out of groups.
yeah lets make the most competitive tournament less competitive
If you arent performing as a top tier team then you have nothing to do in olay offs, worlds is for the best teams to prove them self, we already have msi for the weaker teams
I feel you . But it's worlds. It's not made for giving lesser teams a chance. This is why they are giving the two strongest regions more spots. You have to earn the wins. If you can't earn it you don't belong there.
Worlds is a competition and must be the most difficult one.
they will never do that cause it will make the tournament less competitive, and who's gonna watch those games?💀 bad for viewership as well,
Caedrel doea not realise that you cannot have the first three teams be from lck lpl and eu because there is a scenario where all the teams that come out of play-ins are from those 3 regions
MAD looks like they'll make it out of groups
I feel like all groups will be really hype and unless you get the GENG TES or JDG T1 group you can make it out, but god getting in the same group as LCK LPL Seeds 1 and 2 looks scary
If you want to win worlds you can't worry about "getting lucky" with your group, western teams just need to compete, and stop being afraid of Eastern regions, it's crazy how scared NA/EU players look when against LPL/LCK, for the love of God please stop being so down on our home regions by default, it's horrible for mental, and makes everyone play worse. Just have some confidence for once please.
they're all just human, they bleed like us, they cry like us, they break like us, and if you automatically view your opponent as beating you, then you will lose, why show up at all?
the absolute weak mental state of every English speaking LoL pro must be insane, no mental toughness at all, and this attitude doesn't help.
@@jordans209 its just being realistic, there's a reason why Western teams got clapped since season 2, The level they shown so far didn't even touch the first seed of LPL/LCK. 2018 G2 WAS the most powerful western team in recent history and I was rooting for them HARD.
@@alv1572 You mean 2019. 2018 was the Fnatic run.
you think the only reason the west is getting smacked around is because of mental ? LMAO there's hands diff , macro and micro diff like there is so much things the east is better at than the west and you're saying "just don't be scared"
You cant get Lec + Lpl + Lck in the first three seeds in one group. It could happen, that the fourth seeds only contain 2x Lec + Lck + Lpl. How do you distribute the fourth seeds into that group.
As much as lpl looks cracked on paper eu and na always has a chance because lpl teams aren't bo1 monsters
^ This is 100% accurate
NA has chances against lpl? Without perkz midlane? good one xD
@@farinthefuture2178 c9
@@farinthefuture2178 Do you know how many time c9 has made it out of group without perkz? They didn’t need him to make it out against a mental boom fpx last year. Fpx was the worst team in that group unironically.
This is assuming that 4th seeds from the east can make it thru play-ins. I think that the east is in for a rude awakening this year at the hands of, firstly wild card teams, and, secondly, lec
Idk why thay made it 4 teams for each region honestly. Never dissrespect EU or anybody els. EU has had alot to work with the past few years, fnatic losing there biggest star before worlds even started, G2 almost competly remaking there roster and ppl inside the org. We all know EU has been crazy the past few years with alot of changes. But we are looking strong right now, i always belive.
Agree, 4 teams per region is BS.
3 teams from LCK, LPL, EU and NA makes 12 teams. The remaining 4 from minor regions will get in from play-ins.
You need to understand that LOL is all about LCK and LPL, EU and NA will never get along again. The LPL has already opened a chasm of difference to the LCK and the LCK of the rest of the world.
LPL is the Sun
LCK the Moon
The West is Earth
Everywhere else is Albuquerque New Mexico
I am not lec fan, but remember lpl teams are very beatable by anyone in group of stage like last year (fnc with sub adc beated rng, Rouge beated fpx, edg lost to 100t , so eu has chance to make over group of stage over lpl teams, in b05, it is diff story, lck teams are almost always get first in group, only exception was in only 2 teams in 2018 and 2013, other than that, all lck teams made out of group.
i mean fpx had a big blunder last year tho and rng looks a lot better now but yeah if 100t can beat edg who then won worlds its that lpl isnt that good in BO1. Still scary groups tho :/
@@matthieupaty5032 I don't say lpl teams are bad, my problem is some lpl fans think lpl teams are perfect and never make mistakes (most of lpl games has many throws btw) and will smash all eu teams easily, and this is wrong.
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Yeah, 2021 LNG and RNG are DEFINATELY the same power level as 2022 RNG and EDG
@@aotisgoat4343 yeah u right but they are still better than NA😂
@@olsenfernandes3634 right, edg and rng are worse than 2021, especially rng is bad on enchanters meta, lng is very beatable
The best possible group g2 can get is drx 4th seed and na third or second
Don't we say this every single year that EU has 0 chances and is bad and bla Bla Bla and they actually end up being one of the best regions at world's?
This is like the champions League where Bayern and PSG are crushing everyone own league but when they go to the champions League they get knocked out by some minor league teams...
Not sure about this. I think in 2021 we were seen as bad and ended up being bad.
in 2020 and 2019 G2 were seen as contenders, which they ended up being. Rest was considered bad, which turned out to be true.
I suppose in 2018 we did better than expected, but that's really it in recent years.
Before this, we just did bad
By defenition EU is one of the best regions at worlds ( they are rated 3rd and outperform lower rated teams ).
Last year for instance EU was as good as NA, the year before FNC and G2 didnt do badly but ultimatley G2 one vs GenG and that was it, in 2019 only G2 did anyting tho it must be said EU looked the strongest as a region ever sinse for the first time all teams got out of groups. So for the past 3 years EU has 1 team that did well and the rest of the region wasnt that good compared to the LCK and LPL.
ALso we dont compare teams but regions ( since there are more than 1 team per region ), so it will be more acurate to say PSG is smashing everyone but they get knocked out in CL, but another french team wins.
@@andersphilipsen4352 no bot, an asterisks on 2021
@@stefankatsarov5806 I suppose we just have different ideas of what it takes to "do good" at worlds for EU. I don't see EU has doing good, if no teams even made semis. No matter if all teams looked fine in groups/quarters. Which is why I think last year was a disaster for EU.
I feel it's hard to value EU as a region and not just 1 team, cuz it does seem like its only that one team putting up results (almost).
I hope this year will be different tho, but my expectations has lowered quite a lot compared to 2019/2020 (even 2018 after groups, I suppose).
@@dragonplayz6606 What’s the asterisk, you coping bot?
I mean, if the point is to say that there will be a LPL and a LCK team in each group, well yes we figured so. Isn't it just like the two last years ? And each time it seemed quite doable, last year we only had one team playing, and they faced Damwon in quarters which was just sad. We wont get anywhere by expecting an easy group, each of our teams will get to the event willing to win against these eastern players, and ever tho the odds aren't the same for each one of them it remains safe to expect at least a few wins along the way.
Except that this year both lpl and lck seems more stacked. Last year lpl’s Lng seems relatively weak, the same to go with lck’s GenG and HLE. This year lpl’s fourth seed is the reigning MSI champion…
But wasn't it determined that this year's worlds groups were like :
1. LCK 1st, LPL 1st, LEC 1st, LCS 1st
2. LCK 2nd, LPL 2nd, LEC 2nd, PCS 1st
3. LCK 3rd, LPL 3rd, LCS 2nd, VCS 1st
4. Play-ins qualified teams
So then if G2 wins EU they're even more fucked, cause they play Gen.G and JDG...
Edit : After reviewing the comments, it was determined that I am indeed smoking the good stuff and that these were pools and not groups.
Bro can you tell me what you are smoking? I want to try it seems like the good stuff
What you listed are pools, not groups. You cant have the group you listed.
Group draw wont be till next week,and why on Earth would they chose to do such a stupid grouping,its gifting worst teams quarter finals on a silver platter.
No those are the pools which means that each team in the same pool will play in a different group so if G2 gets first place they are garanteed to not play Geng and JDG
Groups never work like that you have either 1st lpl 1st lck or 1st lec 1st lpl or 1st lec 1st lck u never get all 1st seeds from all 4 regions in same group
And What if 1st LEC or 1st LCS seed would draw in 1st PSC and 1st VCS team?
It is possible and riot can’t say this is against the rules bcs they can’t Just say that lck and lpl team will make out of play-ins.
But in this scenario if 4 lck and 4 lpl make grup stage one of those team would not have a grup to go into without facing team from same region.
That’s why so many 4 seed fot region is not a ideal solution. If riot want 4 seed per major region (without NA xd) than they should make more grups and more seeds for others.
G2 already proved that they can compete with LCK and LPL Im confident that our boys can make it out of groups maybe first is optimistic but second is very possible
They literally got demolished at MSI though.
@@PayAttEx Thats against first place teams though. They wont win worlds but a random win against a slightly weaker team is very much possible.
@@Zepxyranthes Well who will be the weaker team? From KR it's GenG, T1, DWG, DRX. DRX? From LPL there are no weak teams.
I think he forget there are also seed 2 of PCS and seed 3 of Gam in the group stage which G2 can get
Can we stop thinking "AAA WE'RE DOOMED"? FPX was a contender last year and they crashed and burned. This can happen to anyone including EU or NA, but srsl stop saying every eastern team is like full of gods. in 2019 FNC got out of group of death. In 2018 GENG were 1/5 and last place in group. Anything can happen, stop being so pessimistic...
You dont watch any of the game do you. There is a chance but there needs to be a major level up or huge changes in meta.
The fact you're saying better teams have to crash and burn so NA and EU must have a chance instead of saying they are good enough to compete is the exact reason people say we're doomed.
if you watched lpl you realise that probably top 10 lpl is better or equal to eu and far above na, its much worse than earlier year. But Korea is weaker than expected but are still strong and compare it to earlier years there was always a weaker team in each region, this year the "weaker" eastern teams are DWG, EDG, RNG 2 world champions and one msi champion are the "weaker" teams and i do understand why everyone is kinda scared for the west although upsets can always happen, but the stars really have to allign for this one
@@kingskele378 Meta will change, just like at MSI. Plus eastern players are human and not robots, for example infamous JackeyLove play from a few days ago costing TES the series.
@@Chuanese bot checks out, learn to play instead of memorising, cry is free dog - never winning valorant without brain. League esports suck, dota 2>>> more engaging
i think the no 2 teams from the same region should not matter for the play ins teams. The play ins teams that make it out should be able to go into any group because they already fought to survive elimination.
I can't believe people have so little hope in EU, I see absolutely no reason why we couldn't perform in Worlds
I expect semis minimum
Because they think lpl teams are perfect teams, as if they never choke in group before, lpl teams were literally beated by eu/ na teams in groups last year
LPL by definition are not perfect and LCK teams have no agency, literal no brain no namer crying dogs - actual animals like T1 “fans/people”. Just literal sheep
That's the LPL format diff right here, man 3rd and 4th seed from LPL easily stronger than NA and EU seeds combined... Imagine RGE and C9 getting DK and RNG like come on hahaha
G2 need to draw DRX because that is the only LCK or LPL Team G2 can beat then ofc the LPL Team would get 1st in the Group but with DRX G2 can maybe get 2nd but yeah the other LEC and NA Teams are just fucked because G2 is the only western Team that can beat DRX
G2 can beat T1 . Hello? T1 can‘t draft and if they continue to play like this they ain’t that scary
Lmao
G2 has always done well against T1 and really against lck in general except for peak damwon. Honestly I wouldn't bet against g2 against any lck team outside of geng, not saying they're favorites against T1 but definitely would be a really close series.
@@KaycCal Didn't G2 get 3-0ed by an off form T1 at MSI in the third fastest BO5 in lol history tho? Also there's no point judging T1, regardless of if they win or not, they never have bombed out before semis of any international regardless of the roster lmao. Look at last year, made semis and lost 3-2 with a 6 week old roster and no coaches.
@@db.1304 I guess msi never existed this year
The thing is, if there is a group including the first seed of EU, 2nd of LCK and 3rd from LPL + 1 open slot from play-in, then the 4 teams to qualify are 4th of LCK, 4th of LPL and 3rd and 4th from LEC, who do you put in this group? This means that either there could be a group with 2 teams from the same region, or there can't ever be any group with 1 team from EU, LPL and LCK in their 3 1st seeds... Did I miss something?
If that is the case the grouping will change I think because PCS and VSC first seed are in pool 2 and 3 and they must make sure that only one team from the same region per group . This years grouping are kinda weird because we never ever have 5 major regions in play- in before and I really wanna see if there is the case you mention and what will happen
In that case when they draw the 3rd of LPL they will make sure not to slot it into this group but instead another group which does not violate the one per region rule.
@@ddmm9634 I also wondering how the group draw is done because it happen after LCS final , if 4 teams from lec,lpl,lck all get into the main event then 2lcs 1vcs 1pcs must be in different group but vcs and pcs are in different pool and there a chance these 2 team end up same group , unless they changing the rule that wildcard region can’t be in same group.
@@ddmm9634 the thing is, these groups are drawn waaaay before the play-in, so at that time, it will not violate any rule. The case could only ever happen after the play-in, when you can't do anything anymore. I wonder if they thought about it.
Afaik G2 have qualified from groups every time they attended worlds, with exception of 2021 when they did not qualify at all. Hope they dont break the streak.
Caedral dismissed the possibility that the 4th LCK/LPL seed may have to knock out each other in play-ins to get to the main stage, and the other one is between NA and EU
I am sure RNG won't drop a single game in play ins, so they won't have to play vs the LCK 4th seed.
@@stamatisarvanitidis2430 DRX could end up as second seed too, and LPL is not as good in group stage so you never know
@@stamatisarvanitidis2430 well I think RNG fumbled this game pretty hard, I'm not dissing you but yeah DRX going out first imo
G2 could hypothetically get the vcs and pcs first seed in their group and then get one of the play in teams.
Wrong it's one of PCS/vcs, they Can't get both
@@nicolask5229 hypothetically they could pcs is pool 2 and vcs is pool 3 but for it to happen on lck or lpl team would have to not make it through play ins which makes it very unlikely.
@@caderush2627 ah okay didnt Know vcs was Pool 3
@@nicolask5229 yes but if rng and drx make it out of pool play then a lpl and lck team will have to each be in a group.
Basicaly he was just saying that lck and lpl 1st to 4 th places are all superior to 1st seed of na/eu, which is a true statement that everyone knows, but in the end eu teams have made some beautiful games previously before high end teams, even c9 managed last year to make some beautiful games against rogue and fpx so there will always be a chance.
Never doubt flying oyster
Was always wondering why would those explaining stuff through paint not type the words instead of drawing them
Turns out that giving the best regions more teams in the tournament kind of ruins the intrigue eh?
We already know that the final will be LPL vs LCK but c'mon Riot, at least let everybody else pretend that they have a chance
Eh no? Imagine more teams from wildcards or west, it'll be more doomed show or shit show going around when there's another level of fight going on the other side. At least we get to see intense Bo1 and strength check before heading into Bo5
at football world cup, europe has 16 tickets and asia has 8 tickets, you know. i am asian and i'm pretty sure giving more tickets to asia won't make any difference. even if there are 50 asian countries and 2 european countries in the tournament, it's gonna be europe vs europe final anyways.
According to Wiki
Pool 1 would be - JDG, GEN, LEC 1st, LCS 1st
Pool 2 would be - TES, T1, LEC 2nd, CFO
Pool 3 would be - EDG, DK, LCS 2nd, GAM
So Pool 4 should consist of - DRX, RNG/LNG, MAD/FNC/RGE, TL/100T/EG. I think its reasonable to accept that no minor region (cept NA lol) will be comin out of playins
G2's best group would be CFO, EDG, DRX. 2nd seed's best group would be GEN, GAM, LNG/RNG
Caedrel's suggestion probably gives G2 a better chance at winning the group, but because that's nearly impossible your suggestion is definitely better (they should just try to get out in 2nd and hope for easy quarters matchup)
GEN, GAM, RNG is a death sentence LOL. No matter how much copium I inhale, I still can't see LEC 2nd seed taking a game off of GEN & RNG, and if you know GAM, they're actually a pretty strong Bo1 team.
Did anyone else get a bunch more ads than normal on this video or was that just me with bad luck.
By this time he probably realizes how many errors his drawing board contains. Fun fact, though: if both EU teams get out of playins allong with LPL and LCK team then 1st seed EU can't draw LCK/LPL for both 2nd and 3rd seed because the 4th seed would be invalid. So then they'll be guaranteed to play one NA/PCS/VN team from these pools. That leaves them with DRX/RNG as final seed, both of which I believe G2 can handle (although RNG is rather scary). Since the introduction of 4th LPL/LCK seed, groups is always a death ball to get through. Perhaps it is better this way, that getting to quarters is less dependant on getting a group of life/death so getting through actually means you're a power house. I hope EU performs well. Sadly the 5th EU seed (TL) is already eliminated.
There is a world where G2 gets PSG , EDG and DRX , which is tough but top 2 is very possible . Then u have JDG + SKT + Rogue + TL which is doomed for rogue, then possibly C9 + TOP + DK + MAD , Gen g + fnatic + 100T + RNG
With regions getting more spots they should reformat the tournament. Like a Champions league with more groups, and minus the play ins