@@yaxsuo It wasn't about realism though but more about upcoming gameplay mechanics and content for nations. I personally don't mind having Atlantropa removed; I get good stories with the content updates, that's enough.
I think it’s more realistic that damming a river causes massive floods and a new lake because of that than damming the Mediterranean causing half of it to evaporate in like 10 years tbh…
Glenn feels as an unsatisfactory continuation to American liberalism from a logical standpoint, especially with the narrative built You could go from a relatively true Liberal* like LBJ to some self proclaimed corrupt centrist + Epstein associate like Glenn and then somehow to McNamara in pre-TT3 USA, and I think what the TNO team did with Hart and his replacement of Glenn was brilliant all things considered
In regards to the Mars path an update is in the works for TNO that will fully rework the space race and make it an actual race that takes place over the decade between Japan, Germany and the USA with Italy and Brazil and the Ultravisionaries in Russia also able to participate to an extent this was part of the reason why Glenn was removed as it would be redundant if he existed when all other presidents could also go to the moon.
They are cutting a lot of the stuff that made TNO TNO and is planning on re-working more stuff. Don't get me wrong, some stuff like Heydrich, Goering and Japan could really use a rework but it just seems like they're reworking everything. Imo they should focus on pumping out more content more than anything
@@trashboat4020 well there is a whole process the devs go through when changes are made. Besides the devs still want a story and meme paths kinda get in the way if that since they're played so often thus neglecting the other paths.
The Main Mod itself took 5 years in making, Second Decade would took an actual ours real decade time to complete, considering there is 20+ country and 30+ proxy war in one decades for each superpower to compete against eachother and don't get me start on thier Intelligent Agency mechanism that each superpower used to compete against eachother to sway the other 10+ minor that doesn't had any content but need to be there because of the "Narrative".
"TNO 2" has always been the stretchiest of stretch goals. The main goal is to give 10 years of playable content to every important and important-ish country.
I mean, they originally described themselves as quite an unrealistic alt history just designed to be fun. But it seems like they're now trying to be more realistic.
I love the crazy unrealistic nonsense. I’m really hoping it doesn’t pull a Kaiserreich and get rid of all that stuff, because the appeal of the mod to me was always that it goes to-the-walls bonkers. I mean, have you seen Italy? Edit: before they ruined it, RIP my sweet boy.
when you talked about the parties being switched ideologically in TNO, not that concerning considering the Democrat Party is Liberal and the Republican Party is Conservative in real life, especially since the 60's-80's OTL
blame it on people who keep laughing and making jokes how ridiculous the entire scenario was, the entire dev team really hate it so they want to make tno more serious and grounded
Love they removed Atlantropa, what could have made a slightly little sense, but didn't touched the artificial Congo Sea, what objectively is a bad idea and it never had the chance to be adapted by anyone.
they remove it because the team who's responsible for Spain and Italy content hit a brick wall and got into some sort of writer's block. basically, Atlantropa hinders the content development for that country so it makes sense they decide to remove it if they finally want to get somewhere
@@thencrranger5628 What kind of writers block? Does removing extremely important world-changing stuff for everyone will fix that? And what's the guarantee they won't hit a brick wall again? "Atlantropa hinders the content development for that country" How?
I don't get why you peoples are so obsessed with Atlantropa. It's barely talked about in the mod, it's basically just a map change. If you want it so badly just wait for a submod to come out or make it yourself. And the problem with Atlantropa isn't that it's "kinda" unrealistic. It would literally turn all of Southern Europe into a desert, and there's not even enough concrete in the world to build it. All of the lore for Mediterranean countries makes absolutely no sense with Atlantropa. The devs would have to rewrite it all but they can't because it's literally not possible.
I don’t like the reworked tno. the removal of glenn and his replacement by a theoretical “space race” mechanic for all countries is a good case to show this: it’s not fun to have yet another clunky decision menu UI a for all presidents. it’s more fun and involved to have specific mechanics for specific people rather than have a fuckton of mechanics for everyone. after all, tno is limited in its engine
Republicans being Liberals and Democrats being Conservatives makes total sense if you aren't an Ameriboo who don't even realise democracy existed before 1776.
@@garrethb6261 For What? If you knew literally anything about the history of democracy or more accurately republics, and not a tainted snapshot of modern irrational politics you wouldn't be confused. Obviously the party focused on representative republicanism would be more liberal than the party focused on a federal presidential democracy.
@@XSpamDragonX I just don't exactly understand the point you're trying to make. What on Earth does this have to do with the ideologies of the Democrat and Republican parties? Are you talking about the party switch? Sure the Republicans were the more liberal ones to start with, but the democrats started to become more left wing after the civil war, mostly due to support from Unions and such. The Democratic party had many left wing elements long before FDR was president. This notion that the party swap happened only after FDR assumed office is wrong, the switch was a gradual process that started before FDR assumed office and ended in the late 60's I believe.
![[TNO] Alternative History of the United States of America | 1930 - 2025 | Every Month](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/oB27TCZJLLM/mqdefault.jpg)
It’s crazy that people talked how unrealistic Atlantropa was yet making a huge lake in the Congo is perfectly fine
Ppl wrote whole essays on the plausibility of Lake Congo. Also, its nice to have at least some fun, rule of cool stuff.
@@zahzuhzay6533 yeah I’m just sad if the Congo lake can be possible why not the Gibralter dam sad to see the crazy things about TNO fade away
@@yaxsuo It wasn't about realism though but more about upcoming gameplay mechanics and content for nations. I personally don't mind having Atlantropa removed; I get good stories with the content updates, that's enough.
@@LPSilentHunter damn that sucks because any remake of the Mediterranean countries is going to take ages but oh well
I think it’s more realistic that damming a river causes massive floods and a new lake because of that than damming the Mediterranean causing half of it to evaporate in like 10 years tbh…
A moment of silence for the removal of the greatest president to ever be conceived, John Glenn. We look into the stars and dream of you.
THEY REMOVED GLENN??????
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
@@jewchini6261 they replaced him with...
Philip Hart....
@@CloverIsLucky I always thought they replaced him with Hall
I guess the names were so similar
Glenn feels as an unsatisfactory continuation to American liberalism from a logical standpoint, especially with the narrative built
You could go from a relatively true Liberal* like LBJ to some self proclaimed corrupt centrist + Epstein associate like Glenn and then somehow to McNamara in pre-TT3 USA, and I think what the TNO team did with Hart and his replacement of Glenn was brilliant all things considered
@@rikosalt546 yeah but funny spaceman
Lamppost UI interface. Never change, TNO.
In regards to the Mars path an update is in the works for TNO that will fully rework the space race and make it an actual race that takes place over the decade between Japan, Germany and the USA with Italy and Brazil and the Ultravisionaries in Russia also able to participate to an extent this was part of the reason why Glenn was removed as it would be redundant if he existed when all other presidents could also go to the moon.
Knowing tno this update will Only Come When we get to mars in real life
Glenn! was not removed. He simply spread himself out across all the different paths :)
He'll be back soon, right now he's in astronaut training
@@p00bix Glenn! shared his knowledge with the world
And they went and have started making their own game. Put a alight delay on that update
Humans are going to walk on Mars before this update comes out.
Zollverein is the german economic sphere and now its total gdp is shown on top gdps
F for Atlatropa
the thing we all needed but didn't know we needed
lampost micro
3:42 is no one talking about how Bobby absolutely RKO’d Johnson into oblivion?
I also see that they removed britanny in France and the Burgundy seem much smaller, they propably work on France for a next update
yes they are
Nah next update is Guangdong after that we don’t know but France is definitely being worked on
I realy hate that TNO is becomming more grounded. I liked the fact that it was as insane as it was.
They are cutting a lot of the stuff that made TNO TNO and is planning on re-working more stuff. Don't get me wrong, some stuff like Heydrich, Goering and Japan could really use a rework but it just seems like they're reworking everything. Imo they should focus on pumping out more content more than anything
Yeah but those weird paths sort of distract people from the themes and messages of the mod itself.
Isn't that one of the reasons why it was removed?
@@henryreed4697 I think a little bit of unrealistic fun is always cool ...
@@trashboat4020 well there is a whole process the devs go through when changes are made.
Besides the devs still want a story and meme paths kinda get in the way if that since they're played so often thus neglecting the other paths.
@@henryreed4697 It's always the SJWs who don't want their message ruined by something funny.
6:21 The Zollverein is basically TNO's EU
Can’t believe they finally added a usele- I mean useful lamppost GUI! Truly a TNO moment.
Surprised how few people found the april fools horse-collab in TNO... ;)
Tried it, it didn’t cooperate super well with the rest of the Russian gameplay
@@emerald_1160 What about the audio logs? :)
As someone who worked on UB, thanks for trying it out, we worked very hard!
I actually worked on part of the lamppost gui! glad you liked that addition
If you like TNO and funni GUIs, try “A New Millennium” a demo that is basically Millennium Dawn in TNOtl, it has a pyramid gui
I see TNO is still using the most visually offensive colour selection as possible.
Hart’s death made me cry
Can’t believe TNO forgot to include the glorious nation of Democratia
It would be really cool if they updated the mod to go to 1982 like they said they would.
Soon + 2 weeks
The Main Mod itself took 5 years in making, Second Decade would took an actual ours real decade time to complete, considering there is 20+ country and 30+ proxy war in one decades for each superpower to compete against eachother and don't get me start on thier Intelligent Agency mechanism that each superpower used to compete against eachother to sway the other 10+ minor that doesn't had any content but need to be there because of the "Narrative".
"TNO 2" has always been the stretchiest of stretch goals. The main goal is to give 10 years of playable content to every important and important-ish country.
"A well diled machine" lmao. Oiled*
It always sadness me to see that atlanteopa is gone😢
Zolverein is not a nation, it´s basically the european union in tno. It can only be created if speer wins the german civil war.
I-impossible...! A TNO VIDEO?!?!
I am fine that they are removing Atlantropa in exchange for for Hart's presidency whereby I could on that timeline improve Amtrak.
Sure someone said it but Zollverein is German for customs Union, basically it’s Germany’s economic sphere
AMTRAK WOOOOOO
John Glenn was the best TNO president. Sad hes gone. Hart is a good president though and unique
Finally you the new update
love that you play tno again😀
8:02 Why did you go with municipal housing when public housing is waaaaay better?
great video man
Always happy to see a new vid, even if its tno.
nice, TNO is back
Anyone know how to deal with the "point of no return" thing you can get as hart that stops you from passing reforms?
Hmm yes lore of tno the second American Revolution momentum 100
Someone finally play tno?
Noooo not Atlantropa!
LAMP POST!!!!
which president in this mod can give out the most top quality lampposts
I hate how in-depth this mod is, b/c I will never be able to really have fun with it
Why is TNO so very very weird? Like weird isn't bad but I thought it was more grounded based on how it describes itself.
I mean, they originally described themselves as quite an unrealistic alt history just designed to be fun. But it seems like they're now trying to be more realistic.
I love the crazy unrealistic nonsense. I’m really hoping it doesn’t pull a Kaiserreich and get rid of all that stuff, because the appeal of the mod to me was always that it goes to-the-walls bonkers. I mean, have you seen Italy?
Edit: before they ruined it, RIP my sweet boy.
@@code8825Just wish kaiserreich gave Germany an alt history path
You can actually get him if you elect wallace,don’t know how tho
either get Wallace impeached by having the massacre at Little Rock High School or just lose the 68 election as Wallace.
Don't do any segregation stuff which tanks FR-NPP support
when you talked about the parties being switched ideologically in TNO, not that concerning considering the Democrat Party is Liberal and the Republican Party is Conservative in real life, especially since the 60's-80's OTL
HOI4 TNO Lamppost%
AYOO IT'S THE FEMBOY 😳📸📸
Lamp post
Question about Falling Star, where should I ask my questions about it?
Um, there's a chat on my discord server for it or you can just ask here
Is slave revolt only possible with speer?
I think?
Yes, it will only happen with Speer
The one mod I really wanna play but cannot stand the UI whatsoever (makes my eyes hurt like a bitch)
Oh come on I liked atlantropa
What's the ending song?
The madlads did it, they added a fucking lampost ui
The keep de-memeing the mod I don’t get why
We still have Tabby and Yazov though
blame it on people who keep laughing and making jokes how ridiculous the entire scenario was, the entire dev team really hate it so they want to make tno more serious and grounded
Wait what happened to the great lakes?
There still there but it's colerd with blue and red to know who owns them.
France got more land smh
How did you get so much votes for Kennedy?
Bring the vtuber avatar back
Love they removed Atlantropa, what could have made a slightly little sense, but didn't touched the artificial Congo Sea, what objectively is a bad idea and it never had the chance to be adapted by anyone.
Because the Congo Lake doesn’t affect gameplay
Atlantropa caused a lot of problems for the development of Mediterranean countries
they remove it because the team who's responsible for Spain and Italy content hit a brick wall and got into some sort of writer's block. basically, Atlantropa hinders the content development for that country so it makes sense they decide to remove it if they finally want to get somewhere
@@mrworldwide7387 What problems and how would it effect their development? They already drawn the map.
@@thencrranger5628 What kind of writers block? Does removing extremely important world-changing stuff for everyone will fix that? And what's the guarantee they won't hit a brick wall again?
"Atlantropa hinders the content development for that country"
How?
I don't get why you peoples are so obsessed with Atlantropa. It's barely talked about in the mod, it's basically just a map change. If you want it so badly just wait for a submod to come out or make it yourself.
And the problem with Atlantropa isn't that it's "kinda" unrealistic. It would literally turn all of Southern Europe into a desert, and there's not even enough concrete in the world to build it.
All of the lore for Mediterranean countries makes absolutely no sense with Atlantropa. The devs would have to rewrite it all but they can't because it's literally not possible.
I don’t like the reworked tno. the removal of glenn and his replacement by a theoretical “space race” mechanic for all countries is a good case to show this: it’s not fun to have yet another clunky decision menu UI a for all presidents. it’s more fun and involved to have specific mechanics for specific people rather than have a fuckton of mechanics for everyone. after all, tno is limited in its engine
AMONG us
I preferred atlantropa being there :/
Looks like they're hard at work removing the soul from TNO.
A story as old as time.
bro TNO in general is unrealistic in my opinion, they should have kept atlantropa it was unique
Gay voice.
Republicans being Liberals and Democrats being Conservatives makes total sense if you aren't an Ameriboo who don't even realise democracy existed before 1776.
I'm sorry?
@@garrethb6261 For What? If you knew literally anything about the history of democracy or more accurately republics, and not a tainted snapshot of modern irrational politics you wouldn't be confused. Obviously the party focused on representative republicanism would be more liberal than the party focused on a federal presidential democracy.
@@XSpamDragonX I just don't exactly understand the point you're trying to make.
What on Earth does this have to do with the ideologies of the Democrat and Republican parties?
Are you talking about the party switch?
Sure the Republicans were the more liberal ones to start with, but the democrats started to become more left wing after the civil war, mostly due to support from Unions and such. The Democratic party had many left wing elements long before FDR was president.
This notion that the party swap happened only after FDR assumed office is wrong, the switch was a gradual process that started before FDR assumed office and ended in the late 60's I believe.
based Atlantropa is gone and the shitty UI is still there?! TNO's devs are on crack...
TNO dev’s yet again eroding what made TNO special and turning into a shittier version TWR