Lexus GS F: The Japanese E63? - Carfection
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- No turbos, RWD only, stunning looks... is the Lexus GS F the Japanese take on the Mercedes-AMG E63?
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One word : reliability. Nobody can beat Lexus when it comes to this and that's the kicker with any of them.
Just buy a Corolla then,even more reliable.
Ray I wish the Japanese would make a German car.
***** Yes... its called an infiniti
I will have to say, Lexus's as of lately have been horribly unreliable.
horribly unreliable for Lexus standard is still way better than Germans
He forget to add its 10x more times RELIABLE then the Germans.
get a 1998 corolla. even more reliable because there is literally nothing to go wrong.
Supercharged things still do go erong but that car idles its whole life away lol of course itll last.
BMtroubleyou, All Money Gone.
"Lexus offer an experienced" I can't agree with this anymore! Who gives a crap about .5 quicker 0-60 or slightly faster shifting when your car will RARELY be in the shop. Not to mention the amazing V8 sound. Go Lexus!
the problem is the price. at that price point it brings nothing new to the table compared to its rivals. might as well get an e60 m5 with n/a v10 for much cheaper and spend the money on servicing.
You're right HodsBroo! A 400bhp car will feel no different to a 500bhp car on the road. And that's the thing, performance cars like the GS-F and RS6 never go to the track. You'll never be able to exploit that power difference so you might as well go for the best experience possible, not the most performance. And that's where the GS-F steps in, all about the experience, with its fat, old school NA V8.
then might as well get a subaru BRZ
Does that offer luxury? Or the sound of a NA V8? Lots of torque?
Supcharged no... you don't lol. completely different vehicle.
Not one word about the elephant in the room - reliability. A few years ago I owned a 2009 M3 for one year - best driving car I've ever owned. But I'd never buy another one because of the repairs (2 wheel speed sensors, door opening issues, DRL burnt out, steering wheel and door trim peeling, bad rattle behind glove box). BMW has recently improved, but they are clearly focused on driving experience when new - not long-term reliability.
I bought a Lexus GS350 F Sport a couple years ago. Slower and duller, but far better put together, and no issues at all. If I were leasing and just looking for a fully warrented drive for a few years, BMW all the way. But since I'll be buying and keeping, the GS F will most likely be my next car.
Your comment seems to be one of the only ones from someone who has his driving license here. Many people don't realise that it's one thing to go fast but another one to own the car and pay for the bills, I blame that on RUclips car review which almost always focus only on fun rather than the value of the experience.
Jason Hall You sir deserve an award 🥇...Many individuals commenting on here seem to be multi billionaires.I've seen many of my friends suffer with repairs for these German brands & for some reason they all seem to have Lexus's now.
They're everyday drivers & not race car drivers btw.
Bingo mate, hit the nail on the head.
Agreed. I test drove the 3 series, a4, c class and the IS 300h. THe lexus had a ride quality and low interior noise just as good as the new class. The rest of the cars were inferior. I'm going for the lexus next week as I do 30k miles a year and reliability is important!
Well said.
I came from a similar experience to yours (albeit much lower budget), I had a Honda Civic Type R FN2 and owned it for three years without a SINGLE issue, everything "Just worked", I sold it and upgraded to a 2011 Mk6 Golf GTi with all the bells and whistles and I've had nothing but issues in 6 months (Weather strips are falling off, windows don't work half the time, gearbox issues, touch display issues).
Sure my older Civic Type R interior wasn't as flash and luxury, but I'm willing to suck up these first world problems if it means I won't have to wait another four days and cough up more $$$ to send my Golf back into Volkswagen to get fixed again. I'm definitely putting this up for sale once I've payed off fixing the issues and moving to another Japanese hot hatch.
Edit: Forgot to mention, my god how much it costs more to maintain a german car. $$$$
Why does most of the car channels on youtube not talk about reliability. longevity. Mpg. Am i the only one who cars about not going to the shop often??
because they are paid by the Germans not to...thats how it works...
Because they don't drive cars to make it last long or for grocery runs. They buy it because they want to have fun and have enough money to deal with the reliability issues.
Don't be wrong I wouldn't mind getting a GSF if I wanted a good reliable touring car but Lexus fanboys are just pathetic talking about reliability when performance is the concern.
ranithemonster303 That's because the Asian cars would win every time.
Sahib Sajid but it has both performances and reliability
Is it actually reliable though? Anyone got one of these with 200k miles?
A Lexus is a tool, not something that excites you. It works, won't break your bank or make you weep at your poor life choice of owing a luxury German saloon when you really couldn't afford it. If you're not a badge snob, a Lexus is what you need.
But an m3 or m5, e63, and rs8 is all better car driverwise though. Every review of the lexus f car is always bad with however it is good if bla bla bla. Because lexus real problem is not the german car they compete with. The problem is the f badge it wears is also can be found on a lfa. The car that universally praised by everyone. So the critics always look up to lfa whenever the reviewed lexus f car. Talking about the badge value here
Idiot...
NikoBell12 Moron
tfw I misunderstood your comment lol, I thought you were hating on the car. Sry, I agree with ya!
GS F is bloody pricey.
Why so much comment on the weight?
E63 1745kg
GS-F 1765kg
M5 1845kg
S6 1870kg
Wim van Horen whyd u throw s6 in there lol its so much slower than the m5 and E63S. Like way off.lol
German bias
He will really love the LC500 mark my fucking comment.
i've actually used that trackpad, however, i had no problem with it.
By any chance did you try it on a left hand drive car? Because I can see that being a lot easier
S Miller yes, but i'm a leftie, and still had no problem with it. you don't use all your fingers for the mouse. you use your index finger to guide the mouse while the rest of your hand is gripping the hand mount/enter buttons.
yeah its really not that bad once you lower the sensitivity.
because you not payed to shit on all cars that are not german.... these "journalists" sicken me
Nigwin // yea.. that trackpad is so nice. Better then iDrive in BMW or in Mercedes
In many brands make the turbo engine, Lexus makes NA. I respect it.
Wow this would be a fantastic daily driver!
NELKEL JDM VLOGS - That's what the focus is for the this car. M5 and E63 say they but you will find yourself in the shop with a loaner if you drove it like a every day car.
Young Den don't get an m5 then you can get a 540i for cheaper and dosen't want to kill you like the m5. 540 obviously makes less power. and cheaper to fix since there's less moving parts in the engine
I agree! This is different from the German toys, and I like that. I'd love to own a GSF!
Colby - You mean 550 xi with the power
Had the pleasure of hearing one in person. This video doesn't really do the sound justice.
The GS F kinda competes with the M550i, S6 and Ghibli S Q4 more than the full on M, RS and AMGs.
The GSF does have much more character than any one of those though, as in the M550i, S6, Ghibli S
Yup. And I would pick this over all of those too. One thing people will bring up is the price. But if I bought any of those cars you just listed the way that I'd want them they be pushing over 90k. If I bought the GSF how I'd want it it would still be under 80k. And don't get me started on the M/AMG/RS cars. In the right spec those are over 110K. So in my eyes, the GSF does compete with the "lesser" cars and it's better.
True but in it's character it rivals the full fat German competitors
I wouldn't necessarily say that it's better. The S6 and M550i (which isn't out yet) are built to be low-key but maintain an high level of performance, so they have a certain appeal because they don't really stand out: the wolf in sheep's clothing. To be honest, that's my type of cars, very subtle, but with the little details and the unexpected performance.
The Ghibli S Q4 is all out. Weirdly enough, it's not quite as fast as these (or as fast as it looks tbh), but it certainly looks better than the rest, it sounds like nothing else, and overall it's more exotic because it's a bloody Maserati. So it's for another type of people, the ones who want more emotions.
The GS F is somewhere between these. It has the performance of the M550i (i think) but probably not the quality, composure and tech of the S6, or the appeal of the Maserati, but sounds as good as the Maserati and looks more bold than the M550i and the S6. It's an alternative, not an upgrade.
The M5, RS6 and E63S are upgrades. That's why they cost that much more.
i guess it depends on the person. Personally i love the fact that it just has a big V8, kinda reminds me of the dodge charger, but surely this has much better built quality, and probably less running costs than the germans. I find it an insanely dope daily. Plus i love how it looks
Had it not had those strange eyelashes under the headlights and a normal grill this would have been such a good looking car!
It is different. That is good.
There is a lot more wrong with this car than just lights and grill
i've owed the same lexus for 7 years, 230k miles the only major issue i had was with the nav system, but other than that it is a work horse. and the dealership in my area still treat me and the car like it has 10k miles. I just cant help but appreciate the reliability the Toyota/Lexus car represent!
The quality of this channel is great! In my opinion it deserves so many more subs!
Not the best in specs, but the NA V8 is a huge selling point. If it were supercharged and making the same power levels, it may not find as many buyers.
I'm a huge german fanboy, but I think Lexus has finally made it. A car that' s awesome in every way. I really really hope it' s going to take a good chunk of german sales to make them regret putting turbos and shit. New german cars aren' that exciting to me for a couple of years now already.
I love this car. Regarding the indicators, that's how indicators have worked for tens of years, it's the same in our Fabia and our A3. It's how it's supposed to be if you ask me.
If u want a better quality interior go for the presidential line of the Gs 450h, it has an incredible interior and if it wasn't for the new lcd screens on the E class the Lexus blows it away completely. The choice of materials and craftsmanship is flawless with far less plastic than What's in this car. The truth is all the cars in this segment have some plastic in them, there is not one competitor without plastic materials. What matters is that the plastic is soft touch and that's what is in the Gs 450h 2017 presidential line.
The majority of people would prefer to have a reliable car that has performance that is applicable in the real world.
You forgot about the superior reliability over the german brands too mate.
I was looking for this comment. One does not simply mention Lexus without its reliability. That is also why is "slower" than German rivals.
@@miloslogic slower because no super or turbochargers so stfu
what is that soundtrack at the end i love it and keep up the good work been watching for almost 2 years and i always get excited when i see you made a new video
Great review! Lexus is doing a great job nowadays. The new Lexus LC500 and LS500 are especially stunning.
the indicator stick is just about the same as any indicator stick, you will get use to it the 3th time you use it. sounds nitpicking to me.
I disagree with the infotainment system part. The pointer is pretty easy to use that it becomes intuitive under less than a month of driving.
How is the GSF heavy? The GSF and CTSV are the lightest in their class compared to the E, 5 series and A6. Literally all the other cars in the class are over 4300lbs
2020 and still Drooling on that Car Wondering when I'm going to Own One
That analogy at the end was awesome!
I am TeamLexus Forever 😏💯👌
I am liking where Lexus is going with the exterior design.
I approve and agree with the content of this video!
The crtiticism of the blinkers is silly. Mini Coopers have the same exact method.
Thanks for the honesty.
Every car I've ever driven has had indicators that work exactly like the ones you described. Not sure what's wrong with it
GS F is stunning! Love the aggression and distinctive look. Not a copy cat
The game console references were like the most perfect part of this review. that tells u everything u need to know about this car
I just bought a lightly used 2017 GS F and am blown away. It replace my 2013 GS 350.
I have owned high end Mercedes and Audi and this is impressive, less maintenance and
very subtle yet classy. I expect reliability on par with my '13 GS 350, which was stellar.
How has ownership been thus far or how was it?
Thanks for asking. Still have her of course. Garage kept, low miles, hand washed only. Only 17K miles. Too special to ever sell, not my daily driver. No issues whatsoever. Still in love.......
@MrMustangrick thanks for responding. I love the car but the $50-$60k range for a 2016-2017 with decent mileage is tough to justify considering what can be had for that kind of money....CTS-V, well built or all original muscle cars and classics, etc. An Audi S6 or S8 for around half that with money to spare for maintenance and upgrades is also an option I've considered. I know the GSF has its special place for what it is. Let's just say I have an eclectic taste and can be indecisive. But like you something tells me I'd keep it for very long time if I do happen to get one. Glad you're enjoying it!
@@Texas_Cruiser All the best for you! Let me know what you end up buying.
And will outlast every single one of its competitors, that's a big plus. This is coming from a BMW driver.
A Lexus with BMW indicators
This one and the RC F look pretty similar but somehow the RC F looks waaay shittier
I like the RCF but I do agree that the GSF just looks better. The regular GS looks hideous though. Before the refresh it looked good but now it only works for the F model.
NikoBell12 The GS F-sport looks almost exactly like the GSF.
rcf looks really fat, donno why lexus has done it like that
thats a beautiful car
Wait... so I'm popping the indicator down all the way for going left. To cancel this, you can click it down again in most cars? Not in my 2015 Polo. Or any of my previous cars. A feature reserved for more expensive cars maybe?
I HATE all infotainment systems cars, even the better ones. People had survived not needing GPS for centuries and anything more than a radio/player is just a distraction. It's a car, not a living room.
Okay Grandpa
Andrew D What's that son? You want toys on your car?
Complaining of having too much because you can live with less is really backwards thinking...
Kaisuke971 Erm... no! That's the kind of mental approach that results in obesity and pointless excess. More isn't better, when it's shit. Quality > Quantity
Firebrand But that's not the right example because here more tech gives you an experience of better quality as well. The ultimate luxury car is self-driving not manual.
But then you could argue that this a sport car but is it really.
cost $150,000 in Australia
I like how you've touched on the "experience" of driving this beast compared to driving it's German counterparts. I like that it's different, it's not just another fast sedan/saloon, and I give kudos to Lexus for having the guts to go that route. Too many automakers play it safe nowadays.
The Nintendo comparison was great! But the WiiU sucked donkey balls.
The Wii U is great fun. Idk why people thought they'd have a PS4/Xbox One for half the price, it really wasn't the point. It's a misunderstood system.
Kaisuke971
Most of the games it got, was just rehashes of the old formulas, like Star Fox, Paper Mario (which really sucked) and Mario Party (which sucked even more).. That doesnt mean, that there werent great games on the WiiU - I had great fun with Xenoblade for example.
it's ridiculously overpriced for what it is. Specs don't lie. "it's a misunderstood system" sounds like what apple fans like to say when people point out how expensive macs are for their performance.
Omg that Nintendo analogy was perfect.
I’m not sure what he’s complaining about regarding the turn signals. Most cars today have the three blink feature for convenience.
really nice comparison of Nintendo and Xbox. very reasonable and informative review.
i love that analogy 😹😹brilliant
I'll take this over any AMG63.
plz , review the new a45 AMG,
You can’t beat Lexus for reliability
I feel these cars are so underrated in my area. This seem like a really good performance cruiser with lots of road presence but I barely see any on the roads. Maybe it's a location thing. I almost feel the lexus brand as a whole is not really out there... Maybe its me. Does anyone agree?
Well, in Miami, these car from lexus really aren't out in the field. What I mean is that anything that is from their performance 'F' lineup is almost non existent but there a huuge amount of IS 250s and 250 F sports around, you almost see one on every corner.
airriderz15 exactly! You worded it better. Yeah the F cars are almost non existent. I was just in Connecticut and I saw plenty F models though. I saw 2 RC Fs. I hardly see any lexus besides the IS in Michigan.
In the C63, it makes 469 horsepower
$144,900 to $173,990 for the C63 S and C63 S
Lexus gs f with a 5.0L V8 producing 467 horsepower
The 2020 GS F starts at $85,010
That's insane
Maybe only rich people can afford to buy German cars and when it breaks you will cry homie
LC500 & LC500H soon?
That engine makes the car. Nearly 100 hp/liter NA, sounds awesome. Who cares about the radio.
Oho - I own a GS-F and the Aisin 8 speed is brilliant at shifting one gear. It is pretty slow at shifting three gears.
Japenis car very reliable
I think its beautiful, for a decision on reliability, id buy it if i had the money, different to the M and AMG cars you see daily now.
how much is this car in the US?
Good review but you have to put your shit in it (I don't like this I don't like that) The car is perfect man.
I had an IS-F and the transmission was frustrating in that car as well.
Pretty, fast and probably more reliable.
gip1279 step into the german cars and redefine the word fast for yourself lol the lexus isnt even remotely close. Ill take the possibility of something breaking over own that plastic crappster toyota any day.
GSF > S6, M5, and AMG63 .... I don't buy a car for 2 years only. The daily experience matters most.
Is the transmission really that bad? Will Lexus put a better transmission for it in the future?
lexus all the way and forever
you had me at "lexus"
My brother has one and is jealous of my 19 LS 500 V6, almost same 0-60.
Lexus reminds me when back in 2003, '04 & '05 the Audi, Mercedes Benz & BMW where starting to go insane with the Sedans RS6, E55AMG & M5 but Jaguar trying but left behind, LEXUS is Jaguar back then in terms of performance, now Jaguar is amazing.
jag? you mean the 550hp f type svr which is slower than a 420hp carrera s?
He meant sedan-wise. Back then.
How are the same people that made the LFA? I was expecting a v10 with 560hp.
An E60 M5 would kick it's butt. You can pick up a very good E60 for about £50k. It's faster when unlimited, it has a brilliant noise and it is very cool.
Jkrui Wouldn't call it shit even tho im a jdm fanboy your just ignorant mate
get a 1998 corolla. even more reliable for 5k.
Dude who would spend 50k on an e60?!?!?!?!? You can get f10 for that price which is laugjably faster than the e60. Is built much better looks better and can produce alot more power with simple mods. E60 is bad example their very unreliable.
The indicator situation: old cars are like that. The stock doesn't return to the center position after you press it. All the cars i drive are like that and i've never had a problem.
nice
Why on earth take a high powered high performance car for a test drive in the New Forest on 40 mph limited roads? C'mon you guys are really good at this but this video is just letting yourself down big time.
I still go for that GS-F at least it won't break anytime soon
Good video but a bit odd...the interior has too much plastic? I drive a 2015 BMW 335i M Sport and one of my best friends has a 2014 BMW 550i M Sport and our steering wheel, which gets tons of praise, has some of the cheapest plastic in the automotive universe and no one ever comments on that.
I would also say the interior on the GS is better than the 5 series and my 3 series by a pretty hefty margin. While my time in the GSF is somewhat limited I"ve got a lot of time in the GS350 F Sport which is a far nicer car than my 3 series or my buddies 5 series AND it drives better too, especially in Sport or Sport plus. The suspension is tuned better less wallow and roll, the steering is tuned better which inspires confidence, throttle tip in is great, the transmission is on par with the 8AT sport in the BMW products. Only area where BMW wins in my judgement is brake feel, and even at that its a marginal win. The brakes on the GS 350 are a touch spongy, can't really comment on the GS-F with regard to brake feel.
Good video as usual
Reliability wins out for me. BMW and MB don't care for that at all. That Lexus V8 is potentially a million-mile engine.
I was thinking how cool this car was expecting it to be 40/45k, it's still a smart motor but for 70k i'd go for a nearly new M Beemer or AMG Merc.
The nintendo comparison was outstanding because it made all the sense.
it would be interesting to compare it to the Holden / Chevy Impala SS. Same approach different budget. I'm not sure the Lexus would really stand out, for the money.
Song name ?
I can only imagine what Lexus can pull off once they start turbocharging their engines. Lexus has always been deemed lesser of their German rivals because of their reluctance to take the turbocharging route. But the landscape will level once all participants being battling on equally powerful engines.
Also much more reliable compared to German super performance competition. Speaking from experience really, do not smack me :-) Owner here :-)
The Mouse thing wasn't being controlled correctly, you hold it like a mouse with your index finger and middle finger resting on the knob. you then use these respective fingers to move the cursor. It's much easier this way.
I never “got” Japanese cars until the Nintendo comparison but after that I think I understand them a lot better
ill take this over Benz and bmw .
Lexus = trust.
Why did he not mention reliability and maintenance? The number one reason why ide buy one....
Gsf looks and sounds savage! Anyone ever driven the IS-F and how does the GS-F compare 🤔
This car would be much more reliable than the German cars, guaranteed. Thats why old stuff is used; naturally aspirated engine, a torque converter automatic and not a dual clutch etc. Lexus knows that these things work and will be durable because theyve been perfected over years. If youre not that rich, you'll have much greater satisfaction owning a car that is reliable but not as technologically advanced.
what I find weird is that German Cars and Italians are measured on their own terms.
everything else is likened to them. I have yet to find a car measured for what it is in this class. That said I am a fan of cars not made in Germany so...
It's that euro snob appeal factor, esp. noticeable amongst Germans & Brits.. & will leave it at that..
"It's just wick-ed"
honestly from an objective standpoint, what does it have going for it at THAT price point apart from reliability? Because a corolla will last even long because there is way less to go wrong
You're trying to downplay the car....it has a lot going for it, it's stylish, has a 471 hp V8, comfortable, reliable and keeps a good resale value. Not sure what else you could want.
I've never driven any M series or AMG cars so my opinion is irrelevant but on videos the Lexus looks more special than the German counterparts
He did not comment on the handling? What kind of review is this
I think this is one of the best car shows on you tube. But comparing the E63 vs a GSF is a bit unfair no? The price difference of a fully loaded E63 is much more expensive than a GSF.
in who's eyes is this a pleasing monstrosity to look at. I can't believe Lexus actually moving these much better than I expected.
The reason why you're having trouble with that infotainment system is because you have the steering wheel on the wrong side. If it were on the correct side, ie the left side, then you would probably be using your right hand for that mouse thing. Vast majority of people are right handed.