You did right shoving the loads by and going in light to pull the empty. As far as sorting the loads in spot order, depends on how long the lead is if you are going to take each car all the way to the spot. On NS, like CSX a conductor can dismount moving equipment one car length prior to the coupling on lower profile siding tracks. Mainline couplings require a one car length safety stop. Also, prior to coupling to any car spotted at an industry you need to do a safety stop to make sure nothing is connected and the car is ready. One thing most folks don’t know is that boxcars are graded. For example, a grade A boxcar handles food grade items and printing paper. A grade b boxcar May handle lumber products and such while a grade c boxcar would handle bricks due to the roof leaking. That double-door GVSR box is actually a lumber service grade B car where that TBOX is considered a grade A car which technically could have handled either product. Good job on the session. You may want to invest in some MAC rail derails for your industry spur to add another layer of realism and another way to help slow a session down. Tim
Great video that demonstrates you don't need a large layout to have a nice ops session. Just switching one spot specific industry is a good way to spend half an hour operating a layout. "Most" railroads don't allow the conductor riding the side of the car to ride all the way to the coupling, they require them to stop one car lenght away, dismount, then observe the coupling from the ground in a safe location.
This operation would make a nice “beginner’s” shelf layout. A logistics warehouse and stub-end siding, a main line and passing siding, and maybe another stub-end siding off the main line that could model an “interchange” with a short line railroad. A couple of boxcars and reefers, maybe a gondola or tank car to leave at the interchange, and a 4-axle diesel, would really be all you need for some fun.
Interesting ops video Lance. Not only does this show the simplicity in the operation (push and shove moves) but also the relative complexity of having to reorder the cars to their respective positions. An interesting side note, not to be lost in the ether, is that even though East Rail II has 4 turnouts, this is a great example of a "conceptually" one turnout layout, as you demonstrated in this video. You only used the one turnout to complete all the moves. Keep up the good work. Enjoying the content.
We would switch the loads out just clear of the switch ( less walking), not worrying about the crossing because you performing interstate commerce. ( the 10 minute deal on a blocked crossing no longer applies) Not to mention you no longer have to protect that crossing! Once everything is switched, then shove to clear the crossing. Come off light power and pull the empty. When you go spot the loads, a good conductor would tie the brakes before he spotted the cars on the doors to keep the cars from moving off of the spot. Tim is correct, derails are now required by the FRA to protect the main line. They also add a lot to the realism. Some industries also still use blue flags!
*the 10 minute deal on a blocked crossing no longer applies* so is that a FEDERAL thing now????... i have an old CP rail timetable from the mid 90s... CP Rail literally says right in the timetable that if a crew violates the 10 minute blocking the crossing law in whatever state the subdivision is applicable to, the crew will be held liable to that state... so has that now changed???... a city or state can no longer have those types of blocked crossing laws anymore???? that's interesting
@@25mfd Think about how long we run trains now, as to in the past. On one run I make only has two sidings that don't have crossings going through them. And I don't know of anyone ever getting ticketed for covering up a crossing. Also, if you are doing interstate commerce, you can block a crossing.
@@ernestzamparelli5873 *And I don't know of anyone ever getting ticketed for covering up a crossing* me neither... but that just shows how scummy CP Rail is towards their train crews if they're willing to come right out and throw them under the bus... heck changing out a busted knuckle can take an hour or more... i'd be pretty pissed after wrestling with changing out a knuckle on the companys piece o junk equipment, only to later get a frickn' ticket for blocking the crossing... i'd fight that bigtime
Excellent video Lance. You can also use car spots on a single industry. I had a grocery distributor and it had 4 loading doors for fruits and vegetables, baked goods and frozen meats. I agree with Tom K also about conducters riding all the way to a coupling. Too dangerous.
Spectacular! Well done Lance, a very cool switching video. I like the challenge of shuffling cars to spot them. Using the stem of Big Hole lead and pulling the empty made for a great approach to this
Here at CSX we are able to do a rolling dismount 1 to 3 car lengths away from a coupling at no faster than 4 mph, if we feel like it is safe to do so. (they've change that dismount rule a few times between 50 or 150 ft from a coupling lol)
Nice video Lance. You should also incorporate the brakes into the operating for again, more to do than just fiddling a knob. And add in crossing signals of the horn too, unless you have a flag protection.. but then get a figure to flag. This certainly shows switching a simple single industry can be very time consuming and rewarding! Great job! And wonderful sounds.. 😉👍🏻
If it was just a switching puzzle, I’d hook up to the cars as shown @ 6:00 in, stop and uncouple the ARMN reefer from the Golden West boxcar. Now I can back up and pull the existing boxcar at Antares out with the ARMN. Pull past the left-most turnout, then shove that on the passing siding (front most track), and stop and leave it there. Now I can shove the reefer all the way in to Pan-Am, stop and leave it there. Pull back and grab the blue Golden boxcar and shove it into the spot for Antares and leave it there. Finally, I grab the yellow/orange TTX boxcar and shove it to whichever loading door Dixie wants it at. Back up and grab the empty I left on the passing siding, and I can head off to the next assignment (or back to the yard.) 😊
@ 5:05... as it relates to how cars are blocked in the yard... it all depends on what class of service this job is in... is it a road job or a yard job... if this is a WAYFREIGHT (road job) then a yard job usually would block this type of train... but a yard engine (a regular old flat switcher) would only have a switchlist and not a work order... so he wouldn't be able to see how the customer would want each car lined up at industry... a plain old switchlist wouldn't show that... the flat switcher only blocks the cars in STATION ORDER... the responsibility of FURTHER blocking the cars to customer specifications would then fall on the wayfreight conductor... conductors on road jobs that go on duty at points where a yard engine is assigned do not block their own train now if this is classed as a YARD JOB (a YARD INDUSTRY JOB), then the yard crew would be responsible for *blocking their own train* , along with spotting the customers cars... in this example the yard foreman would have the switchlist *and* the workorder... with the workorder he'd be able to see how the customers wants the car/s spotted
The only thing that confuses me about OMNI Logistics is the numbering of the bays from right to left, instead of left to right!! I'm expecting the doors to read 1-2-3-4, rather than 4-3-2-1..!! I'd really mess up spotting cars! 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤣🤣
This is great, and very helpful Lance. I have a quick question regarding the spotting of the cars. Let's say for example that only one of those two Dixie Plywood spots was a different customer....so 4 completely different customers. And one of the adjacent customers to DP needed a car, but the 60' car spotted at DP wouldn't allow for another car to be placed at the adjacent customer because of its length. Would that car simply get put in an off-spot until the DP car is fully unloaded and ready to be moved?
Great video Lance. Quick question, when did railroads start servicing logistics warehouses like this? Would this type of operation be appropriate for the late 20s to the 50s?
Just remove the term logistics and use the term freight forwarder and you move the same business to an earlier Era. Also alot was done at large RR freight houses of course.
What are the dimensions of this building in the beginning and where did you pick it up at? I literally have been looking for this exact type of warehouse with 4 loading bays. It’s apart of a industry that takes in reefers, boxcars, and small amounts of tanker or grain hoppers I’ve yet to figure out what I’ll name the industry and what it exactly does but it’s food processing related or a packing and distribution center but literally need that exactly haha
@@LanceMindheim shoot wish I was good at that…thanks for replying! There’s a few scenery things in this hobby that are huge weak points for me, some things I feel I’m pretty good at, but scratch building structures is like the Great Wall I gotta cross because even putting together kits I have a hard time finishing them
nice explanation of basic ops lance !! also, it was very nice to be able to hear you during the session, as many youtubers have their engine volume up so high you can't hear sh-- !!! btw... i noticed you live in maryland, so does that mean you follow the generals ( i loved the redskins logo !!!), or the ravens ? i ask only because i live 20 minutes from highmark stadium, home of the bills, whom i have followed unfortunately since birth !!! bills will have 7-8 losses easily this year and no playoffs for sure. ravens are always tough and the generals have a good young quarterback... still, chiefs/bengals/ravens/texans and maybe browns will dominate the afc i think !!! regular sunday am schedule for me, church, run the pike, then football most of the day. whats your opinion ?
*bills will have 7-8 losses easily this year and no playoffs for sure* not to turn this into a football topic but... you have that little confidence in the bills?????... 7-8 losses??????... just barely .500?????... and then you say the BROWNS might dominate??????... what the heck??!??!?
@@25mfd lance, i fully understand that what i said seems crazy, but if you look at their schedule i think that might help !! beat cards in week 1, then miami, jags, ravens, houston and jets, all good afc teams right in a row,.. then a few weeks later chiefs, 49ers, lions, rams and jets !! i figure they will be either 3-3 or 4-2 in division as we beat pats 2 times and the remaining division games, 4, vs jets and dolphins will be a 50-50 split or thereabouts. btw, just yesterday espn reported that the colts look real good this year, whom bills visit i think in week 10... they also travel to seattle, and even though they are down a bit it is a tough stadium for visiting teams to win in ( remember... it was actually engineered to keep noise IN !!!) jags were down a bit last year so i figure they will bounce back as well... as for the browns, they are my "dark horse" as they have tons of talent, a questionable qb, and play in the toughest division in the nfl ( remember 3 teams from that division made the playoffs last year!!!)... maybe i need another beer, but thats what i think will happen. bills have NO primary receiver, milano is out, and bills traditionally play down to opponents most of the time. the spirit of howard cosell visited me in a dream last night and he agrees, bills 9-8 at best !!! blessings to you, lance !! ps, you never said who you follow !!!
@@dennisarmes3473 as it relates to the browns... the QB play is the X factor... yes they have a talented team BUT is deshaun watson still a good player or is he washed... i saw the browns re-worked his contract to... frickn' joe flacco had to come in at the last minute and play hero for them(heck flacco came outta retirement, right off his dang sofa and played pretty well to)
@@25mfd good call on idiot watson being an x factor !!! and you are correct on flacco, he really did an excellent job last year and i was pulling for him with many brewskis in my hands !! afc north is THE toughest division in the league, so i may have mispoken about the browns doing well this year. it might end up like the old nfc central many years ago.. you might remember it was nicknamed the "black and blue division" as pack/lions/vikes and bears beat the sh-- out of each other all year (12 games ?) then were too beat up to do anything in the playoffs !! back to trains... just got my rmc sat and am happy for you for being such a great contributor to our hobby !! i have followed your work and advertisements for years now ( i am 67 !!! but i think you are a bit younger than me) btw, in about 15 minutes i am going upstairs to run the layout in your honor tonight with an ice cold stell artois in one hand and a beautiful macanudo churchill in the other !! you will be remembered in my evening prayers tonight, lance !! denny armes springville,ny
When coupling to a car in modeling, you sometimes move the car back up to an inch before a full stop..If brakes are set, does this mean you are theoretically sliding non-rolling wheels? If a full size loco hits a car too hard, what actually happens? Besides the clunk.
Pushing a car a short distance with the brakes on won't do any harm. Indeed, standard procedure for cars that need to be spotted very precisely (e.g., tank cars that need to be exactly at the loading platform) is to push them into position with a handbrake on so that it doesn't move around with slack after it's spotted.
@@goaliegeorge Not from accidentally shoving a car a couple of feet from a hard couple. You need to drag a car a signficant distance before a flat spot occurs. Railroad wheels are _hard_ steel.
You did right shoving the loads by and going in light to pull the empty. As far as sorting the loads in spot order, depends on how long the lead is if you are going to take each car all the way to the spot. On NS, like CSX a conductor can dismount moving equipment one car length prior to the coupling on lower profile siding tracks. Mainline couplings require a one car length safety stop. Also, prior to coupling to any car spotted at an industry you need to do a safety stop to make sure nothing is connected and the car is ready.
One thing most folks don’t know is that boxcars are graded. For example, a grade A boxcar handles food grade items and printing paper. A grade b boxcar May handle lumber products and such while a grade c boxcar would handle bricks due to the roof leaking. That double-door GVSR box is actually a lumber service grade B car where that TBOX is considered a grade A car which technically could have handled either product.
Good job on the session. You may want to invest in some MAC rail derails for your industry spur to add another layer of realism and another way to help slow a session down.
Tim
Thanks Tim. Didn't know that about the boxcar grading.
Great video that demonstrates you don't need a large layout to have a nice ops session. Just switching one spot specific industry is a good way to spend half an hour operating a layout. "Most" railroads don't allow the conductor riding the side of the car to ride all the way to the coupling, they require them to stop one car lenght away, dismount, then observe the coupling from the ground in a safe location.
This operation would make a nice “beginner’s” shelf layout. A logistics warehouse and stub-end siding, a main line and passing siding, and maybe another stub-end siding off the main line that could model an “interchange” with a short line railroad. A couple of boxcars and reefers, maybe a gondola or tank car to leave at the interchange, and a 4-axle diesel, would really be all you need for some fun.
Interesting ops video Lance. Not only does this show the simplicity in the operation (push and shove moves) but also the relative complexity of having to reorder the cars to their respective positions. An interesting side note, not to be lost in the ether, is that even though East Rail II has 4 turnouts, this is a great example of a "conceptually" one turnout layout, as you demonstrated in this video. You only used the one turnout to complete all the moves. Keep up the good work. Enjoying the content.
A lot of enjoyment out of a small area...NICE!
Exactly what I want to achieve out of my upcoming layout
Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
I really enjoy these videos showing operations at industries.
We would switch the loads out just clear of the switch ( less walking), not worrying about the crossing because you performing interstate commerce. ( the 10 minute deal on a blocked crossing no longer applies) Not to mention you no longer have to protect that crossing!
Once everything is switched, then shove to clear the crossing.
Come off light power and pull the empty.
When you go spot the loads, a good conductor would tie the brakes before he spotted the cars on the doors to keep the cars from moving off of the spot.
Tim is correct, derails are now required by the FRA to protect the main line. They also add a lot to the realism. Some industries also still use blue flags!
*the 10 minute deal on a blocked crossing no longer applies*
so is that a FEDERAL thing now????...
i have an old CP rail timetable from the mid 90s...
CP Rail literally says right in the timetable that if a crew violates the 10 minute blocking the crossing law in whatever state the subdivision is applicable to, the crew will be held liable to that state...
so has that now changed???... a city or state can no longer have those types of blocked crossing laws anymore????
that's interesting
@@25mfd Think about how long we run trains now, as to in the past. On one run I make only has two sidings that don't have crossings going through them. And I don't know of anyone ever getting ticketed for covering up a crossing. Also, if you are doing interstate commerce, you can block a crossing.
@@ernestzamparelli5873
*And I don't know of anyone ever getting ticketed for covering up a crossing*
me neither...
but that just shows how scummy CP Rail is towards their train crews if they're willing to come right out and throw them under the bus...
heck changing out a busted knuckle can take an hour or more... i'd be pretty pissed after wrestling with changing out a knuckle on the companys piece o junk equipment, only to later get a frickn' ticket for blocking the crossing...
i'd fight that bigtime
Glad to see you’ve finally started uploading more videos 🚂🔥🔥🔥🎯
Excellent video Lance. You can also use car spots on a single industry. I had a grocery distributor and it had 4 loading doors for fruits and vegetables, baked goods and frozen meats.
I agree with Tom K also about conducters riding all the way to a coupling. Too dangerous.
Spectacular! Well done Lance, a very cool switching video. I like the challenge of shuffling cars to spot them. Using the stem of Big Hole lead and pulling the empty made for a great approach to this
25 mins of RR fun, giving yourself a plan however simple makes it more realistic. Thanks Lance
Glad you enjoyed it
Here at CSX we are able to do a rolling dismount 1 to 3 car lengths away from a coupling at no faster than 4 mph, if we feel like it is safe to do so. (they've change that dismount rule a few times between 50 or 150 ft from a coupling lol)
Inspirational video Lance. The realism and care for details really inspires me with my layout!
Nice video Lance. You should also incorporate the brakes into the operating for again, more to do than just fiddling a knob. And add in crossing signals of the horn too, unless you have a flag protection.. but then get a figure to flag.
This certainly shows switching a simple single industry can be very time consuming and rewarding! Great job! And wonderful sounds.. 😉👍🏻
If it was just a switching puzzle, I’d hook up to the cars as shown @ 6:00 in, stop and uncouple the ARMN reefer from the Golden West boxcar. Now I can back up and pull the existing boxcar at Antares out with the ARMN. Pull past the left-most turnout, then shove that on the passing siding (front most track), and stop and leave it there. Now I can shove the reefer all the way in to Pan-Am, stop and leave it there. Pull back and grab the blue Golden boxcar and shove it into the spot for Antares and leave it there. Finally, I grab the yellow/orange TTX boxcar and shove it to whichever loading door Dixie wants it at. Back up and grab the empty I left on the passing siding, and I can head off to the next assignment (or back to the yard.) 😊
Great video on the details, I really like the super details of switching.
Good video Lance! I have to wonder if the lumber company staff would be okay with the wine delivery. 😉
This.
Shelf layout is beautiful good job keep the videos up❤
Excellent video.
@ 5:05... as it relates to how cars are blocked in the yard...
it all depends on what class of service this job is in... is it a road job or a yard job...
if this is a WAYFREIGHT (road job) then a yard job usually would block this type of train... but a yard engine (a regular old flat switcher) would only have a switchlist and not a work order... so he wouldn't be able to see how the customer would want each car lined up at industry... a plain old switchlist wouldn't show that... the flat switcher only blocks the cars in STATION ORDER... the responsibility of FURTHER blocking the cars to customer specifications would then fall on the wayfreight conductor...
conductors on road jobs that go on duty at points where a yard engine is assigned do not block their own train
now if this is classed as a YARD JOB (a YARD INDUSTRY JOB), then the yard crew would be responsible for *blocking their own train* , along with spotting the customers cars... in this example the yard foreman would have the switchlist *and* the workorder... with the workorder he'd be able to see how the customers wants the car/s spotted
I "think" it's classified as a yard job. The trains are numbered Y120, Y320 etc.
The only thing that confuses me about OMNI Logistics is the numbering of the bays from right to left, instead of left to right!! I'm expecting the doors to read 1-2-3-4, rather than 4-3-2-1..!! I'd really mess up spotting cars! 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤣🤣
From the street side the corresponding truck docks will be numbered in order 1-2-3-4.
This is great, and very helpful Lance. I have a quick question regarding the spotting of the cars. Let's say for example that only one of those two Dixie Plywood spots was a different customer....so 4 completely different customers. And one of the adjacent customers to DP needed a car, but the 60' car spotted at DP wouldn't allow for another car to be placed at the adjacent customer because of its length. Would that car simply get put in an off-spot until the DP car is fully unloaded and ready to be moved?
Yes, but the main issue was that, in an ideal world, I would have spaced the doors further apart. Just ran out of room.
Awesome
It looks a lot like the place where they parked the circus train in Orlando.
How do you achieve that wonderful full sound in your videos? Do you have a subwoofer below the layout?
Yes I do!
Great video Lance. Quick question, when did railroads start servicing logistics warehouses like this? Would this type of operation be appropriate for the late 20s to the 50s?
Just remove the term logistics and use the term freight forwarder and you move the same business to an earlier Era. Also alot was done at large RR freight houses of course.
What are the dimensions of this building in the beginning and where did you pick it up at? I literally have been looking for this exact type of warehouse with 4 loading bays. It’s apart of a industry that takes in reefers, boxcars, and small amounts of tanker or grain hoppers I’ve yet to figure out what I’ll name the industry and what it exactly does but it’s food processing related or a packing and distribution center but literally need that exactly haha
All of the structures on the layout are scratch built.
@@LanceMindheim shoot wish I was good at that…thanks for replying! There’s a few scenery things in this hobby that are huge weak points for me, some things I feel I’m pretty good at, but scratch building structures is like the Great Wall I gotta cross because even putting together kits I have a hard time finishing them
nice explanation of basic ops lance !! also, it was very nice to be able to hear you during the session, as many youtubers have their engine volume up so high you can't hear sh-- !!! btw... i noticed you live in maryland, so does that mean you follow the generals ( i loved the redskins logo !!!), or the ravens ? i ask only because i live 20 minutes from highmark stadium, home of the bills, whom i have followed unfortunately since birth !!! bills will have 7-8 losses easily this year and no playoffs for sure. ravens are always tough and the generals have a good young quarterback... still, chiefs/bengals/ravens/texans and maybe browns will dominate the afc i think !!! regular sunday am schedule for me, church, run the pike, then football most of the day. whats your opinion ?
*bills will have 7-8 losses easily this year and no playoffs for sure*
not to turn this into a football topic but... you have that little confidence in the bills?????... 7-8 losses??????... just barely .500?????... and then you say the BROWNS might dominate??????... what the heck??!??!?
@@25mfd lance, i fully understand that what i said seems crazy, but if you look at their schedule i think that might help !! beat cards in week 1, then miami, jags, ravens, houston and jets, all good afc teams right in a row,.. then a few weeks later chiefs, 49ers, lions, rams and jets !! i figure they will be either 3-3 or 4-2 in division as we beat pats 2 times and the remaining division games, 4, vs jets and dolphins will be a 50-50 split or thereabouts. btw, just yesterday espn reported that the colts look real good this year, whom bills visit i think in week 10... they also travel to seattle, and even though they are down a bit it is a tough stadium for visiting teams to win in ( remember... it was actually engineered to keep noise IN !!!) jags were down a bit last year so i figure they will bounce back as well... as for the browns, they are my "dark horse" as they have tons of talent, a questionable qb, and play in the toughest division in the nfl ( remember 3 teams from that division made the playoffs last year!!!)... maybe i need another beer, but thats what i think will happen. bills have NO primary receiver, milano is out, and bills traditionally play down to opponents most of the time. the spirit of howard cosell visited me in a dream last night and he agrees, bills 9-8 at best !!! blessings to you, lance !! ps, you never said who you follow !!!
@@dennisarmes3473
as it relates to the browns... the QB play is the X factor... yes they have a talented team BUT is deshaun watson still a good player or is he washed... i saw the browns re-worked his contract to... frickn' joe flacco had to come in at the last minute and play hero for them(heck flacco came outta retirement, right off his dang sofa and played pretty well to)
@@25mfd good call on idiot watson being an x factor !!! and you are correct on flacco, he really did an excellent job last year and i was pulling for him with many brewskis in my hands !! afc north is THE toughest division in the league, so i may have mispoken about the browns doing well this year. it might end up like the old nfc central many years ago.. you might remember it was nicknamed the "black and blue division" as pack/lions/vikes and bears beat the sh-- out of each other all year (12 games ?) then were too beat up to do anything in the playoffs !! back to trains... just got my rmc sat and am happy for you for being such a great contributor to our hobby !! i have followed your work and advertisements for years now ( i am 67 !!! but i think you are a bit younger than me) btw, in about 15 minutes i am going upstairs to run the layout in your honor tonight with an ice cold stell artois in one hand and a beautiful macanudo churchill in the other !! you will be remembered in my evening prayers tonight, lance !! denny armes springville,ny
When coupling to a car in modeling, you sometimes move the car back up to an inch before a full stop..If brakes are set, does this mean you are theoretically sliding non-rolling wheels? If a full size loco hits a car too hard, what actually happens? Besides the clunk.
Flat Spot!!
Pushing a car a short distance with the brakes on won't do any harm. Indeed, standard procedure for cars that need to be spotted very precisely (e.g., tank cars that need to be exactly at the loading platform) is to push them into position with a handbrake on so that it doesn't move around with slack after it's spotted.
@@goaliegeorge Not from accidentally shoving a car a couple of feet from a hard couple. You need to drag a car a signficant distance before a flat spot occurs. Railroad wheels are _hard_ steel.
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