Ikea stuff is okay as long as you don't move the furniture much. If you need to disassemble and assemble, it really shows its weaknesses compared to solid wood furniture. Screws rip out, dowels break, etc.
I dont know about that, disassembled and reassembled my ikea bed and billy bookcases 3~4 times for moving over the past 2 years, still solid. Bed is 5 years old, billys are 7 and 12 years old.
You can improve in many cases with a few component pieces - IKEA lets you buy just parts. You don't need the whole piece of furniture. You can also modify what components you're using to stick with more substantial wood usage. (The kitchen island butcher block has been the top of many a desk.) I tend to find the life expectancy of IKEA to be higher than the chipwood and laminate plywood you'll usually get from say a Walmart or a Target or similar large box store. This could all be bias, though, as I am about 2000 yards as the crow flies from an IKEA. That may be within the meatball mind control.
I have 30 and 20 year old Billy shelfs, have no problem with them whatsoever soever and I have moved with them at about 7 times in 25 years. Treat them well and there’s no problems. ikEA will even send you spare parts for free.
the most important thing about ikea is their systems are flexible and available for decades. i use their ivar shelfs for storage and some of the parts are from the early 90s. no other furniture company i know of can keep up with that.
The IVAR system is cloned from the Lundia system, created by Harald Lundqvist and sold under licence internationally since WW2. IKEA has pulled the same stunt with other, better products and enterprises - people just don't know about the better products because all the see ans know is IKEA.
If you treat it decently, particle board furniture will generally last decades. High end furniture is made to last centuries if treated well. They tend to break because someone did something real stupid and/or violent. Otherwise, they tend to have predated the owners' grandparents. But lots of stuff like that tends to end up stored away unused and forgotten because they don't match modern décor, or is just too heavy to move or too large to fit in many modern homes. Particle board furniture is perfect because it lasts long enough as long as it's not abused, and is a fraction of the price of so-called high-quality furniture.
The fractional cost of IKEA furniture in comparison to wooden furniture with traditional joints is possible only because of greater economies of scale and minimalist design. Their solid wooden furniture is strip harvested from Poland, Lith, Sweden etc. from fast growing monoculture forests where it's dimensioned, flattened and squared parts are CNC lathed for legs or CNC drilled for flatpack joinery fixtures or screws (and sometimes painted). They've created some iconic innovative designs this way but it's a marriage limited by industrial product design. Their particle board furniture is made mostly from a waste material-impressive again (ignoring the formaldehyde glue). But particle board furniture is only good for the same reason fast fashion is, it's cheap. The glaring downside to particle board furniture is nobody bothers repairing a £50 shelving unit when it's melamine side dents. It goes to landfill and is cheaply replaced. I've worked as a joiner and kitchen fitter using lots of sheet goods, and IMO the proliferation of that style of woodwork has made people undervalue the cost of good wood and overlook value added by a makers design considerations, time investment and skill. If you or anyone else is interested, there's a playlist (one of many) you can watch to see what goes into making handmade furniture. Some parts can be sped up with machines but it's still useful insight. ruclips.net/p/PLJZTXsmiGZKfk3NW1gcpTRlIAnr1WvksQ&si=f2OW8GAX5XnJHXsW
@@rjg6139 While I understand the value of such hand-made or even just otherwise higher quality woodwork, unfortunately such furniture is unaffordable beyond the bare necessities for most people. Maybe some chairs and a dinner table, but beyond that if you need several bookshelves, a pair of dressers, a desk, and a handful of cabinets for a new home, quality furniture is completely out of the reach of most people. And it's not like you can just take hand-me-downs when such furniture is often still in use, so at best it can only work if you get a set of Ikea-style furniture first, then slowly replace the ones that break with higher quality alternatives. Or you just just increase your collection of cheaper furniture since most of it will last a decade or two at minimum anyways, which is more than long enough for most people.
IKEA is crap but it's quality crap. Perfect for the modern day society that likes to swap shit out every few years rather than keep the same bedframe in the family for a century or two.
The people shitting on IKEA are generally just idiots. Oh, your Ikea table failed after only 3 or 4 years? Which table was it, and how did you use it? Ah - it was a Lack table, and your kids like to stand on it and dance? Well, that table only has 5lbs of material, and it cost you $20! What the hell did you expect from it?!? It owes you NOTHING, at that point!
Ikea stuff is okay as long as you don't move the furniture much. If you need to disassemble and assemble, it really shows its weaknesses compared to solid wood furniture. Screws rip out, dowels break, etc.
I dont know about that, disassembled and reassembled my ikea bed and billy bookcases 3~4 times for moving over the past 2 years, still solid.
Bed is 5 years old, billys are 7 and 12 years old.
You can improve in many cases with a few component pieces - IKEA lets you buy just parts. You don't need the whole piece of furniture. You can also modify what components you're using to stick with more substantial wood usage. (The kitchen island butcher block has been the top of many a desk.) I tend to find the life expectancy of IKEA to be higher than the chipwood and laminate plywood you'll usually get from say a Walmart or a Target or similar large box store. This could all be bias, though, as I am about 2000 yards as the crow flies from an IKEA. That may be within the meatball mind control.
I have 30 and 20 year old Billy shelfs, have no problem with them whatsoever soever and I have moved with them at about 7 times in 25 years.
Treat them well and there’s no problems. ikEA will even send you spare parts for free.
the most important thing about ikea is their systems are flexible and available for decades. i use their ivar shelfs for storage and some of the parts are from the early 90s. no other furniture company i know of can keep up with that.
The IVAR system is cloned from the Lundia system, created by Harald Lundqvist and sold under licence internationally since WW2. IKEA has pulled the same stunt with other, better products and enterprises - people just don't know about the better products because all the see ans know is IKEA.
If you treat it decently, particle board furniture will generally last decades. High end furniture is made to last centuries if treated well. They tend to break because someone did something real stupid and/or violent. Otherwise, they tend to have predated the owners' grandparents. But lots of stuff like that tends to end up stored away unused and forgotten because they don't match modern décor, or is just too heavy to move or too large to fit in many modern homes.
Particle board furniture is perfect because it lasts long enough as long as it's not abused, and is a fraction of the price of so-called high-quality furniture.
The fractional cost of IKEA furniture in comparison to wooden furniture with traditional joints is possible only because of greater economies of scale and minimalist design. Their solid wooden furniture is strip harvested from Poland, Lith, Sweden etc. from fast growing monoculture forests where it's dimensioned, flattened and squared parts are CNC lathed for legs or CNC drilled for flatpack joinery fixtures or screws (and sometimes painted). They've created some iconic innovative designs this way but it's a marriage limited by industrial product design.
Their particle board furniture is made mostly from a waste material-impressive again (ignoring the formaldehyde glue). But particle board furniture is only good for the same reason fast fashion is, it's cheap. The glaring downside to particle board furniture is nobody bothers repairing a £50 shelving unit when it's melamine side dents. It goes to landfill and is cheaply replaced.
I've worked as a joiner and kitchen fitter using lots of sheet goods, and IMO the proliferation of that style of woodwork has made people undervalue the cost of good wood and overlook value added by a makers design considerations, time investment and skill. If you or anyone else is interested, there's a playlist (one of many) you can watch to see what goes into making handmade furniture. Some parts can be sped up with machines but it's still useful insight. ruclips.net/p/PLJZTXsmiGZKfk3NW1gcpTRlIAnr1WvksQ&si=f2OW8GAX5XnJHXsW
@@rjg6139 While I understand the value of such hand-made or even just otherwise higher quality woodwork, unfortunately such furniture is unaffordable beyond the bare necessities for most people. Maybe some chairs and a dinner table, but beyond that if you need several bookshelves, a pair of dressers, a desk, and a handful of cabinets for a new home, quality furniture is completely out of the reach of most people.
And it's not like you can just take hand-me-downs when such furniture is often still in use, so at best it can only work if you get a set of Ikea-style furniture first, then slowly replace the ones that break with higher quality alternatives.
Or you just just increase your collection of cheaper furniture since most of it will last a decade or two at minimum anyways, which is more than long enough for most people.
in SEA, IKEA is considered expensive
IKEA is crap but it's quality crap. Perfect for the modern day society that likes to swap shit out every few years rather than keep the same bedframe in the family for a century or two.
The people shitting on IKEA are generally just idiots.
Oh, your Ikea table failed after only 3 or 4 years? Which table was it, and how did you use it? Ah - it was a Lack table, and your kids like to stand on it and dance? Well, that table only has 5lbs of material, and it cost you $20! What the hell did you expect from it?!? It owes you NOTHING, at that point!