Got tired of pointless overdone acrobatics and overly wide clumsy swings. These dexterous movrs however, thats what really amazes me. Like, simpliest turn of the wrist and bam, the blade connects the face, thats just gorgeous
All of us have been hoping that for a while now, I've seen so many comments like these and written some myself, and still nothing but dance choreographers that call themselves "professional swordfighters" being hired for movies and TV shows, I'm starting to lose hope.
@@owl-1314 I really hope that, aside from those joking pictures, some manuscripts also contain a written description of those troll moves. "Once thou hast siezed thine opponent in this hold, thine compatriots shalt retrieve a sack to engulf thine foe"
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 Thanks, I looked him up and indeed found a hilarious description alongside the illustration with the sack. "Then, if you want to throw him into a bag with the element announced before, so secretly appoint some men who have a hidden bag with them at the swordsmanship competitions and stand behind the people. Then, grab him as it is depicted before, and as you have brought him in the scale, tell the two to raise the bag and lead him with force to these who stand with the bag and press him firmly and make him crawl to it. If he does not want to do it voluntarily, when they hold the bag open, grab with your right hand at his right leg close at the bone on the outside at his right knee-bending and lift him with it high to your right side and step with your left foot in front of his left one and throw him into the bag in the name of God and then do to him what you want. If you do not want to throw him, keep your Messer and make him do as you wish with it." ~Johannes Lecküchner, Kunst des Messerfechtens (Cgm 582) 92r
Around here people don't know much about Messers, and whenever I need to inspire them to pick up Messerfecthen, I use your videos because they're awesome. Excellent technique, going through counters and counter-counters, good humour and period costume, what else could one ask for?
Omg, I love what you guys do! I can't believe that it has taken me this long to find out about your channel, but I definitely just subbed! The HEMA, and the costumes are both first-class! Also, as a musician who specializes in medieval, Renaissance and baroque music, I think your selections for the videos are perfect.
Western culture was the only civilization, bar maybe India, that got seriously scientific about fencing. Other than that there's Musashi in Japan, who learned the art organically through life experience and sheer potential moreso than formal education.
@@StormBringare also you're less tempted to instinctively block with your arm, or grab the blade... In sparring that usually doesn't happen, but you can hardly simulate the stress of a real life death scenario.
@@StormBringare It's pretty hard to separate art from established techniques. If you're good, you can use your left hand as shown in the video, or wield another weapon, but that requires a lot of brainpower, which may slow you down or stress you so that you make more mistakes. The same goes for some fancier techniques. If you succeed great, if not you're dead...
Late Middle Ages, specially mid to late 15th century, early Renaissance period (but close to the high Renaissance). That period was the end of the Medieval Ages in many places.
insomma il più giovane dei due è un po' come Kenny... muore in ogni puntata. Nella mia ignoranza e basandomi su video bellissimi come i vostri e altri di altri Paesi in cui ripercorrono le tecniche di Fiore de' Liberi mi sono fatto l'idea che duellare con le spade ad una mano fosse un vero suicidio o roulette russa in attesa di amputazioni. L'unica arma che mi sembra ragionevole per chi non avesse armatura mi sembra la spada a due mani - non lo spadone rinascimentale... lo zweihender - intendo invece quello che avete usato anche voi. Mi sembra dia molte più chance di difesa e soprattutto non si basi sulla totale asimmetria del corpo con la mano debole relegata a parte da difendere o lanciara in suicidi afferraggi
You are probably familiar with the saying that all fighting is the same. These techniques come from European manuscripts on langes messer. There are many parallels between arnis and messer because of the same body mechanics and weapon dimensions. The foundation of some FMA spada y daga systems come directly from 16th century Spanish systems for sidesword, including paired swords -- apologies, I don't remember the source name. Perhaps it would be just as accurate to say that your Arnis techniques are mostly European! :) (just kdding -- I know every culture has its own native fighting traditions)
@@dakaodo Modern Arnis and other Philipine martial arts, actually, do have a LOT of European (specifically, Spanish) influence. Not kidding. Not need to be. They had the chance to combine the best of European and Asian martial arts, they would have been stupid NOT to do so, they weren't, they did.
@@notfeedynotlazy Thank you, yes, that is what I said. :) "The foundation of some FMA spada y daga systems come directly from 16th century Spanish systems for sidesword, including paired swords" We've referred to these Spanish sources for our sidesword training, and they show drills that FMA systems replicate almost verbatim.
Para que cortasen, el filo tendría que moverse en relación a la mano; si aprietas lo bastante fuerte, inmobilizas la hoja y no puede cortarte. Es una técnica común, en realidad. Y sí, si el otro logra mover la hoja te cortará; pero como en TODAS las técnicas la idea es hacerlo antes de que el otro pueda reaccionar y hacer una contratécnica (habrás visto que TODO el vido va de técnica-contra-recontra).
@@tatumergo3931 idk, 2: 30 the whole blade seems to cut. anyway, even if only the tip is sharp, he grabs it way to close to the tip, all i have to do is pull hard and i cut his hand
@@tatumergo3931 no thank you. i will not take my examples out of hollywood movies. anyway, scrima is that sport also knows as "fencing" and it's a sword fight. anyway, in italy and spain this type of city sword fight technique was knows as "scrima" and i don;t think it involved grabbing the sword by the blade.
I wish filmmakers hired such competent people to consult on fighting choreography. Fencing doesn't have to be unrealistic in order to be impressive.
Got tired of pointless overdone acrobatics and overly wide clumsy swings. These dexterous movrs however, thats what really amazes me. Like, simpliest turn of the wrist and bam, the blade connects the face, thats just gorgeous
All of us have been hoping that for a while now, I've seen so many comments like these and written some myself, and still nothing but dance choreographers that call themselves "professional swordfighters" being hired for movies and TV shows, I'm starting to lose hope.
Imagine two dudes just locked in an infinite loop of disarming each other over and over again
You are fantastic. XV century and good HEMA demonstrations are some of the best things in life.
This is wonderful. You folks obviously take the art very seriously without taking yourselves too seriously.
0:54 proof that trolling predates internet by a looooooong time.
3:50 put em in a sack now that is how you troll someone
@@owl-1314 I really hope that, aside from those joking pictures, some manuscripts also contain a written description of those troll moves.
"Once thou hast siezed thine opponent in this hold, thine compatriots shalt retrieve a sack to engulf thine foe"
@@predwin1998 Yeah, they do exist. I think they are both from Lekuchner's (I butchered that name for sure) treatise on the messer.
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 Thanks, I looked him up and indeed found a hilarious description alongside the illustration with the sack.
"Then, if you want to throw him into a bag with the element announced before, so secretly appoint some men who have a hidden bag with them at the swordsmanship competitions and stand behind the people. Then, grab him as it is depicted before, and as you have brought him in the scale, tell the two to raise the bag and lead him with force to these who stand with the bag and press him firmly and make him crawl to it. If he does not want to do it voluntarily, when they hold the bag open, grab with your right hand at his right leg close at the bone on the outside at his right knee-bending and lift him with it high to your right side and step with your left foot in front of his left one and throw him into the bag in the name of God and then do to him what you want. If you do not want to throw him, keep your Messer and make him do as you wish with it." ~Johannes Lecküchner, Kunst des Messerfechtens (Cgm 582) 92r
Medieval humour still funny 1000 years later
I really like how they showed the attack and the counterattacks step by step.
Glorious, need more Messer in my life. And those Longsword was so cool!
It's a type of practice sword called a Federschwert, just in case you were curious :)
Of all Western fighting styles, I honestly think the Langes Messer is the most graceful.
I love how you've shown the progression of the dance; Initial attack, counter, parry, riposte, etc.
Beautiful, and the historical shenanigans still make me smile to this day. :)
Hah, that guy walking the dog must have thought he went through a time machine!
4:21 ma anche 1:54 :O
Around here people don't know much about Messers, and whenever I need to inspire them to pick up Messerfecthen, I use your videos because they're awesome. Excellent technique, going through counters and counter-counters, good humour and period costume, what else could one ask for?
This is art , you are amazing. !!!!
amazing Italian longsword demonstrations
I love your style of the ongoing counter-kata.
The dices one was fucking hilarious, they had good sense of humor those illustrators
Splendido, eccellente, impressionante!
3:54 taking out ye olde trash
So excellent! I love these videos.
You all inspired me to buy a matched pair of messers, and I'm working through some techniques with friends. :)
buy a matching pair of sacks, too
@@notfeedynotlazy but only one backgammon board needed.
Where can I find a historically accurate sack? ;)
Do it yourself
Over the head of a historically accurate fighter
Wiktenhauer.com
Omg, I love what you guys do! I can't believe that it has taken me this long to find out about your channel, but I definitely just subbed! The HEMA, and the costumes are both first-class! Also, as a musician who specializes in medieval, Renaissance and baroque music, I think your selections for the videos are perfect.
Grande técnica,precioso ensinamento🇧🇷
Western culture was the only civilization, bar maybe India, that got seriously scientific about fencing. Other than that there's Musashi in Japan, who learned the art organically through life experience and sheer potential moreso than formal education.
Love the fashion the most haha.
Bravissimi...
Salutations! Thank you for a wonderful video!
Great! Thank you!
the old masters would have been shitposters today, the first and last technique loop shows me that
This is the kind of realistic sword fighting we need in movie's not the Hollywood bullshit they keep giving us.
Or A.I.
If only filmmakers used this instead of usual crap we keep seeing in movies
They may be rookies now. Back in the day they be Masters with these skills.
Excellent stuff.
I hope, we will get more of these absolutely great videos in future
2:50 beautiful exchange
3:30 So, one of the fechtbuchs contains instructions on how to kidnap someone?
Lecküchner's Messer treatise
Never mind that, I wonder what the lady walking the dog in the end was thinking
yes...for ransom from the family in order to pay for his debts or blood money .
I learn a lot but I laugh so hard too LOL you guys are amazing.
Fantastico
Good job, nice techniques
Stupid question incoming:
Why the arm behind the back? Is that simply to keep it out of the way? I'm honestly asking.
You're exactly right, holding the hand out gives your opponent another target to strike.
Helps in keeping balance 2, this weapons require certain body mechanics similar to sabre techniques
@@StormBringare also you're less tempted to instinctively block with your arm, or grab the blade...
In sparring that usually doesn't happen, but you can hardly simulate the stress of a real life death scenario.
@@edi9892
That's true and a perspective I think are generally overlooked. These techniques were after all developed to survive deadly encounters.
@@StormBringare It's pretty hard to separate art from established techniques. If you're good, you can use your left hand as shown in the video, or wield another weapon, but that requires a lot of brainpower, which may slow you down or stress you so that you make more mistakes. The same goes for some fancier techniques. If you succeed great, if not you're dead...
Stellar fencing as always.
The guys need joined hoses or longer upper garments though :D
backgammon !!! my favorite game! :D
Fantastic!
wow kingdom come 2 looks amazing
Nice video!👍👍
Honestly I can see some of these not working but it’s still awesome
The backgammon finishing move it quite different in sword play.
Просто отлично! Молодцы! =)
1:40, guy on the right does a crazy pin that blows my mind. I gotta figure out how to use it
其他國家的武術也滿有意思的
That guy with his dog at the very end must’ve been thinking WTF
Very nice video! Thanks for sharing!
Are these techniques all based in Fiore , as the title implies? or do you draw from different masters?
Lindo!
excellent
Круто!!!
so silly, but very glorious!
superbe !!
E poi parlano tutti dei samurai...
I love that feathered hat of yours :D
well done.
Dude just wanted to play some backgammon
Thanks! :-)
Are the initial messer plays from an Italian source?
Cool XD
Which sourse is this?
Im the best warrior in the world ! Also me: 2:08
Bellissimo siete vicini al girosrosto
How to make your adult play backgammon with you.
Wait...
whens the next video??
That’s more like it multiple combos
What I love in HEMA is that you can grab the blede and beat the shit out of the other person.
ахахахах в конце прикольно .да норм фехтование.
Which time period is this?
Late Middle Ages, specially mid to late 15th century, early Renaissance period (but close to the high Renaissance). That period was the end of the Medieval Ages in many places.
Это итальянцы?
Who is that time traveler at 4:15?
What manuscript is this?
Name of the music please?
Cantiga de Santa Maria N° 213: Quen serve Santa Maria
Nova Aetas Thank you very much! your videos are great as always, thanks again :)
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insomma il più giovane dei due è un po' come Kenny... muore in ogni puntata.
Nella mia ignoranza e basandomi su video bellissimi come i vostri e altri di altri Paesi in cui ripercorrono le tecniche di Fiore de' Liberi mi sono fatto l'idea che duellare con le spade ad una mano fosse un vero suicidio o roulette russa in attesa di amputazioni. L'unica arma che mi sembra ragionevole per chi non avesse armatura mi sembra la spada a due mani - non lo spadone rinascimentale... lo zweihender - intendo invece quello che avete usato anche voi. Mi sembra dia molte più chance di difesa e soprattutto non si basi sulla totale asimmetria del corpo con la mano debole relegata a parte da difendere o lanciara in suicidi afferraggi
🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗
that's mostly Arnis in my opinion. are the technics on the real European manuscripts?
You are probably familiar with the saying that all fighting is the same. These techniques come from European manuscripts on langes messer. There are many parallels between arnis and messer because of the same body mechanics and weapon dimensions. The foundation of some FMA spada y daga systems come directly from 16th century Spanish systems for sidesword, including paired swords -- apologies, I don't remember the source name.
Perhaps it would be just as accurate to say that your Arnis techniques are mostly European! :) (just kdding -- I know every culture has its own native fighting traditions)
@@dakaodo Modern Arnis and other Philipine martial arts, actually, do have a LOT of European (specifically, Spanish) influence. Not kidding. Not need to be. They had the chance to combine the best of European and Asian martial arts, they would have been stupid NOT to do so, they weren't, they did.
@@notfeedynotlazy Thank you, yes, that is what I said. :)
"The foundation of some FMA spada y daga systems come directly from 16th century Spanish systems for sidesword, including paired swords"
We've referred to these Spanish sources for our sidesword training, and they show drills that FMA systems replicate almost verbatim.
chcialbym miec takiego nauczyciela
2:41 No you.
Y es que esas espadas no cortan qué las cojen por la hoja y no les pasa nada
Para que cortasen, el filo tendría que moverse en relación a la mano; si aprietas lo bastante fuerte, inmobilizas la hoja y no puede cortarte. Es una técnica común, en realidad. Y sí, si el otro logra mover la hoja te cortará; pero como en TODAS las técnicas la idea es hacerlo antes de que el otro pueda reaccionar y hacer una contratécnica (habrás visto que TODO el vido va de técnica-contra-recontra).
Who said bullying if from our generation
Приходишь на поле для, а там итальянцы в нарды играют
Какая страна!?
Italia
@@soiah спасибо.
Siete ancora attivi?
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What does L'arte de Armizar translate to?
"The art of armed combat"
We need antiCOVID sword techniques, please, a new video 😁🙏🙏🙏
the moment i saw that he uses his hand to hold the cutting part of the sword, this video lost it's credibility
@@tatumergo3931 are you asking why ? really ? are you saying you see nothing wrong with grabbing a sword by it's blade ?
@@tatumergo3931 idk, 2: 30 the whole blade seems to cut.
anyway, even if only the tip is sharp, he grabs it way to close to the tip, all i have to do is pull hard and i cut his hand
@@tatumergo3931 tho i have to admit, duels were mainly "scrima" style.
@@tatumergo3931 no thank you. i will not take my examples out of hollywood movies.
anyway, scrima is that sport also knows as "fencing" and it's a sword fight. anyway, in italy and spain this type of city sword fight technique was knows as "scrima"
and i don;t think it involved grabbing the sword by the blade.
@@itsMe_TheHerpes
Please go watch Skallagrim's videos on the topic.
Grabbing a blade is safer than you think.