@mr leon It's adapting to the different workflows that's the biggest hurdle. You know what you want to do, but it gets frustrating trying to find the relevant equivalent methods in DAW X that you're used to doing instantly in DAW Y. Nowadays, pretty much all of the DAWs are feature-equivalent in most regards. It's just down to which workflow you prefer.
You always seem so happy when making music, in the meantime I often get so frustrated and annoyed :D please share your knowledge master, how to stay positive about what you do?
it s all about perspective,seems like ed looks at it like play and like he said if he is stuck he enjoys solving it like a puzzle. how do u see it when u re stuck or frustrated? be honest with yourself.
I think one thing you gotta keep in mind is that most beats or musical projects don't have to get done right away, and things aren't always going to come out exactly the way you envisioned at the beginning. You gotta give yourself space to make mistakes and explore sounds and be okay with what you come out with at the end. If you feel like your final product isn't good enough just keep practicing and you will eventually get to where you want to be.
I have been using FL Studio for almost 20 years. To say that it has changed since it‘s earliest days would be an understatement. I have gone on to use other DAWs (mostly on iOS) and have still returned to FL Studio for serious recording. It‘s the bombdiggity!
Same here, started in 1999 with Fruity Loops, than tried out Cubase, Reason, Ableton, Reaper, Studio One, Maschine Studio (I know, technically not a DAW) and I still prefer FL over any other DAW.
I watch every producer no matter what the daw is, but when they do like trying to use different daw especially FL is so good and seeing Ed drop some of his first fire beats is satisfying man🔥
Glad to see FL is still really easy to pick up and get right into. I'm self-taught on FL Studio 7, and it's awesome seeing how they've streamlined the workflow in the latest version. Working in Logic currently, and i miss the 3xOsc plugin soooo much :(
I started out in an online DAW called Soundtrap in June 2017, then looked into FL Studio that Winter. I loved it, and kept using it for over four years until I switched to Logic. It was a decent experience. However, I now use Ableton Live, as the interface is somewhat similar to Logic, but the automation and the way you insert plugins and audio is so much better in my opinion.
For pure workflow, the Ableton+Novation/Focusrite combo is absolutely untouchable. Even with a Maschine, you're not going to come CLOSE to what a Launchpad+Launchkey+LaunchControl can do, without even leaving Clip View. And FL only sounds "mastered" when compared to *un*-mastered Ableton samples, LOL. that all said, Cakewalk is easily the best DAW out there. Its the ONLY truly unlimited DAW; zero paywalls to access literally everything. But it's like flying an F-14.... XD.
@@The_Eldest_Millenial Fl is working on better midi compatibility. I am not sure what you mean by FL sounds mastered when compared to unmastered ableton samples, when FL is literally made in C and assembly and has better CPU performance than ableton does. The only reason I can see it sounding different is if people still have the limiter on FL's basic template.
Fl Studio really can do anything that other super expensive daws do. At the beginning it can be frustrating but if one has time and desire to learn, then its capabilities are really limitless. Great job as always Ed 🔥
idk but damn if FL studio... makes sense? I been using it since 2017 (as time killer/hobby kind of deal, Im no musician or producer) and so far ableton, LMMS and Ardour been the only others I tried, but just cannot pick them up. Ableton just confused me so much my brain started to hurt> No offence to Ableton users, more as a compliment, If you can use that you must be a wizard. Ableton IS capable considering so many good producers use it. Much like in the video, I had a satisfying first impression.
@@necrobynerton7384 IMO Ableton is actually much more intuitive and simple than FL. I tried to learn FL a long time ago and gave up after a few hours. I was confused by the matryoshka menus inside of menus, dragging around a bunch of separate windows, all the submenus and tabs, the way clips work, and so on. On the other hand, Ableton was immediately intuitive for me. The arrangement view works exactly how I expected it to. Using clips is easy. The piano roll is a lot easier to use and it's a lot faster as well. I went from knowing nothing about Ableton to making simple beats in probably 30 minutes. Funny thing is, I used to watch a lot of BusyWorksBeats tutorials years ago. They're pretty garbage, but tutorials are generalizable across DAWs. By watching him use FL, I started to realize its weaknesses. Mostly, the workflow is atrocious due to the complicated UI. To reverse an audio clip, you have to click through something like 2 or 3 menus. In Ableton you just right click the audio and reverse it like in any other program. Resampling is very hard in FL compared to Ableton. You need to use its built-in audio editor, Edison, which works like a VST and has its own separate menu. Then, you have to copy the audio out of it and paste and align it with the measure. In Ableton you just click the output dropdown and select "Resample" and it does it right in the clip arrangement without any alignment necessary. To make clip variations in FL Studio you have to go into some menus and click buttons or clone patterns. Working with clips in FL is a massive pain. In Ableton you just press CTRL+D or right click and duplicate then start messing with the new clip you've made. It works just like any other editing software. Automation is notoriously difficult in FL since you need to do it in a separate channel for each thing automated. EDM tracks end up with like 300 different channels, which looks insane on RUclips and shocks outsiders, but you wouldn't want to have to produce like that. Plus, the drawing tools are not great. In Ableton you literally just draw all your automation on the same channel as whatever you're automating and switch using a dropdown box. It saves so much time it's crazy. Speaking of channels, Ableton doesn't really have the same limitations as FL, making gain staging immensely easier. Watching people try to gain stage or make busses in FL is like watching someone try to comb their hair with a fork. In Ableton you literally just hit CTRL + G to group some channels and then put a group inside another group and you've got a bus. In Ableton 10+ you can just stack these forever. Channel routing is easy too you just change the inputs and outputs using a drop down menu. Pretty much everything is visible to you when you start Ableton and nothing is hidden inside of submenus. Mixing and mastering in FL is truly painful which is why many FL producers use external software to mix or master their tracks, not FL. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of Ableton users just mix and master inside of Ableton. FL's UI and workflow sucks. Other designers think so as well, which is why virtually every other alternative DAW looks like Ableton. Cubase, Studio One, Reaper, even Logic are more similar to Ableton than to FL. Fact of the matter is that Ableton was designed from the ground up for fast and easy usage, since it was supposed to be a tool for live performance and DJing. It is, well, consequently fast and easy to use. Many FL users who try Ableton switch over once they get enough money. FL's only advantage is that it delivers a full feature set for a relatively small price tag and has good native plugins. Ableton, on the other hand, is very limited unless you buy the ultimate edition and have a bunch of third party plugins. It's sort of the professional's DAW while FL is a casual or hobbyist's DAW. They share some similarities though. Ableton and FL have the same clip-based looping abilities. I think people get confused in Ableton because it defaults to this clip/loop view instead of the session view. The clip view is designed for DJing or brainstorming, not really for arranging tracks or programming midi. In reality this is basically just the same thing as the pattern window in FL studio.
@@Thes4LT That is... Quite the description for Ableton, and seems that the downsides you mentioned for FL studio are, in fact, true. I will take this newfound info and try Ableton again, I will see if I change my mind. I guess, since I don't have any other experience I think FL studio is good at what it does, but most definitively it has A LOT of menus to go through - though sometimes I prefer having things separately, not just using this program but in general. Again, maybe due to my inexperience, so far having everything on a separate channel (especially automation) I can easily find what I am doing, but mostly because nothing ever exceeded over like 40-50 channels for me, so not much of a hassle to go through, but since you mentioned over 300 channels I can see how painful that could be. Stock plugins I most definitively find good in FL studio - I use Surge as my main VST now (third party) but back like 2 years ago I used Harmor and Harmless, pretty powerful but still feel like you just cant find what you need in the UI. As for effects, I haven't used much outside of LovePhilter, the Parametric EQ2, and some other stock effects Another thing is, I actually don't use samples much, except for obviously the drums, but thats it. I try to make my own sounds always. Takes time and effort but again, I am not in any rush for an audience, since the audience is myself. I see most producers use samples, and as far as I have seen doing stuff to samples with ableton seems to be easier than fl studio, even on my experience you did have to go through so many hoops to have a sample proper in your track. Oh and yea duplicating clips is like nonexistent in FL studio, and I always created a new pattern an copied whatever pattern I was trying to duplicate. Another way is to put the same clip twice and use the "Make unique" option to basically do that, but it doesn't have a shortcut (at least I am not aware of) so it does make it a pain. Piano roll has duplicate, if you want to duplicate say a 2 bar melody over to 4, you just press CTRL + B and does that, but thats about it Overall thanks for the insight, I certainly did not expect that big of a comment, but regardless, I will look into ableton again
fl is a lot more user friendly than ableton biased people are giving it credit for...But I can agree about all the menus that you have to which between. But I use dual screens so no issues for me...I've used many different daws over the years, but for some reason ableton is by far the hardest to get a grasp of. Nothing seems to work the way that you think it should (at least for me). And there seems to always be a bunch of useless info onscreen in which you can't seem to get rid of. With fl's ui, you can close windows you aren't using and you can resize nearly everything.
@@ericwarr9088 So, well, after a few weeks of trying I still can't use ableton. Maybe because having 5 years of FL usage I have become way too accustomed to the UI and changing that workflow I get completely lost since I expect things differently. Like in my first comment I seriously can't grasp the UI and feels very unintuitive. Also considering I am not a keyboard shortcut user, at least not a heavy user, I find Ableton hard to use. Still not saying which is better since it is personal preference (and maybe one has advantages over the other, that much is not being questioned) but for me FL still is more friendly UI wise.
I would love to watch you Do Fl Studio, Watch You Master it Video By Video. And Give Viewers Who Use Fl Studio tips that you learn on the way. Would Be so Lit
best about fl studio when you turn it on that tone at the beginning. I get chills every time. he has been there since the first days. fl studio is so beautiful and so smooth to work with. that it is amazing. I tried Ableton. I couldn't handle it. as if I were colorblind. respect to those who use it.
@@rorz999 Lol the people making FL have been for 20+ years. Fl is faster since it is literally written in C and assembly code. Since nothing is hard wired to anywhere, you can create your own workflow, anything can automate everything, and now with the new update the UI looks better. FL has been faster than ableton/
@@Lucky5111 few corrections: 1. Ableton is written in C++, not FL Studio. 2. You can create your own workflow in any software DAW, that's what replaced hardware DAWs with the advent of software inventions. nothing is destructible, everything can be recovered. 3. Any DAW can automate anything. 4. UI is subjective but imo FL Studio looks like a game and Ableton looks more utilitarian. neither is ugly, one is suited for kids and the other is suited for adults. that's like saying you hate the classic doom because "it's ugly", and that's why you prefer the new ones. it's a useless claim because you're not the target audience for it. there are advantages and disadvantages to using both software so it's childish to compare these two.
@@jackieburkhart3268 1. Never said ableton was written in C, but I did get FL wrong, Fl is written in Delphi and assembly. Still FL has better performance, maybe not by a lot. 2. Agree 3.I am not sure about other DAWs, but I know it is not possible to do the same type of automation used in FL in ableton. Such as having a peak controller automating an external plugin. 4. With the UI, I am implying that in FL's new update you are now able to customize the color scheme to your liking.
I feel you bro but remember, quantity over quality is good than quality over quantity. Focus on making more music than making good music then you will feel that you're getting better. Apply different techniques that you've learned in making music, apply creativity and ideas in your Daw then make even slight improvement. More power brother 🔥🔥🔥
I love AB. I started producing on it with a launchpad years ago and I got to say I workflow on FL is really good. I can not afford to make the move but if I could I would love to have both of them.
@@362n4 don’t suggest saying that in public, since this entire comments section will be defending fl and saying why not to pirate stuff etc etc the usual bullshit defending image line
Just the fact that it's inspiring is worth spending time with it. I love FL for that reason, the look and the workflow just helps me stay creative. It has its quirks of course, I question my life decisions about not using Ableton sometimes lol. But that's just part of making music
If you wanna blow your mind try the patcher!With patcher you can litteraly create new plugin by yourself. I don't wont spoiler so much about it, just try it (even the preset).
im an Ableton User for +6y,and i can say that logic is better than studio one in term of making music, it has a lot of things to offer if you are experienced af,studio one still limited asf,you cant even see the current peak db number near the fader,except for the master channel.
@@jamesbrowny9488 "after trying Ableton, FL Studio, BitWig, Cubase, Reason, Logic, etc..." - Trying is the word - all of those DAW's has trial/demo versions so anybody can try them before buy
The hi hat loop you played was pretty sick, here @2:14 , you need no play it again to record. You can just go to tools and "Dump the score log" > last 2/5/10 min. This will dump the last played score Log ( not sure whether it is log or anything else) on your highlighted track ( green colored )
I had been an FL user since around FL 5.0 and switched to Ableton for several years. I still miss the FL Piano roll. I still find FL Studio to be the fastest way to get something out of my head and into my ears. Now running FL Studio INSIDE of Ableton using ReWire... That's where it's at. Best of both worlds! 🎶☠🎶
I mean it is a similar work flow overall on both, ableton has better and faster automations and everything can be on one screen and it's quicker to navigate, and samples can instantly be fixed/stretched in places but FL has a better sequencer and piano roll so it's a trade off. For drum programming or piano roll, FL is better, for automation, sample manipulation and live recording of instruments like guitar ableton is better
Here’s something I love about FL go to piano roll -view -time segment select beats then project settings - time based settings 96 ppq (pulses per quarter note ) this allows you to see the beats and has the same grid resolution as the mpc in the piano roll
I normally can not stand to over enthusiastic and happy people which looks pretentious but yours is so genuine and your presentations are so inspiring and helpful. Keep being happy! Thank you!
I really wish ableton would take a page out of FL's book with the step sequencer. That shit is fire. I don't particularly like FL for automation and whatnot, but that sequencer...
@@TheHonestTruth FL is one of the best for automation. Literally everything can automate everything, if you have a kick on one channel with a peak controller, you can basically set up a proq3 on the bass then invert the peak signal to the 80hz-200hz~ range, and you basically have space for your kick to pop out.
This video was great! I was planning on switching from ableton to fl as my first payed for daw because it seemed cheaper but I was so used to ableton and I was worried I wouldn’t be able to learn fl but seeing this definitely helped me out and made me excited to try it out in the future thanks man!
One day I hope to get to this level 😂🔥I didn't have much of a music background, but I started making beats 2 years back, I can't play any instruments but plan on learning in the near future, always lots to learn and I look forward to seeing where I'll be one day, keep up your work man it's inspiring
Glad u tried FL... the workflow is super smooth n awesome when it comes to fl. If u plan to keep making beats with FL here r some of the stock plugins u shud use.... GMS, Flex, Sytrus, 3xOsc n Toxic Biohazard
FL is too damn complicated with all the menu diving and random UI shit that doesn’t make sense. I can work sort of quickly on it but Ableton is like the quickest (for me personally) to go from an idea in my head to real music
@@josephkiesel4695 from the videos I’ve watched on abelton that’s what it looks like. It’s straight to the point. Only thing holding me back is how much Abelton is and the fact I’d have to learn a whole new DAW. I still feel like I’m trying to find my groove as a producer but it’s only been a year and a half for me.
@@deepeyton if you get some certain hardware it comes bundled with Ableton Live Lite, which is a slightly limited version of Ableton but you can do basically everything you’d want to do on there. Ableton live intro is pretty good too and I think it’s just 99 dollars.
Bro you make it look too easy🤣and Fl Studio is basically one of my limbs! I think fl 12 would have been a lot more difficult to adjust to so it's nice to see the Lifetime Updates benefiting the music creators. No shade on Ableton, I love the moves they're making too☀️
My boy taught me the basics and I learned it in a day from garage band mobile. I love garage band but I’ll never go back. I even forgot how to use it lol
It's for the first time seeing a user of other DAW trying FL Studio & immediately make fire. You're brilliant 🔥 I only watch FL Studio videos. FL Gang 🥭
Hey Ed thanks for the demo. I was wondering if you noticed anything different about FL Studio that made it better than Ableton? I've been playing with Ableton on my laptop for a few months but Ableton's interface is tiiiny in comparison to FL Studio. I feel like I need a magnifying glass to use Ableton! Anyway thanks for the content bro 🙏🏼
For that reason alone I prefer fl. It's very hard to see what you are doing on ableton. With fl you can move things around easily, close them out, or resize them to make sure that you are viewing everything you need to see.
Nice to see that you actually used the "more hidden" features of FL and figured them out instead of just beeing frustatreated all the time like all the other videos from Producers switching to FL lol
Ive tried both.. FL Studio.. Once youve got it down, is SOOO powerful. It just makes things go so much faster. Like Ivve be making a beat and my gf will say "Wtf are you typing lyrics? I dont see a wordpad or anything" and Im like no, Im using hot keys and shortcuts. So once you have all this down, and yes other DAW have shortcuts but Fl just is supreme. Everything has its own little window that you can go from each to each so youre not on the same screen, you can focus on exactly what youre working on, and even the aesthetics make the production sound better. Then you have, on the left, a kind of "trick" which is in Mixer Presets where you can chose a mastering preset.. And there are many to chose from, but it kind of bumps up your mixing and mastering baseline much higher. Just that alone almost makes it sound mastered already. I swear by Fl... Ill never use a different DAW ever. FL is KING.
FL Studio is an incredibly flexible DAW which makes it so easy to hop into and start creating. From what I’ve heard, Ableton users don’t like FL because of how flexible it is, i.e. being able to put whatever you want wherever you want-which can make things incredibly messy-but it becomes a powerful tool if you how to use it.
It’s also a nightmare for recording vocals or live instruments. I hate that I can't select where the clips are laid down on the playlist. And you also can't join audio or midi clips like you would on Logic or Ableton. Another issue is the fact that you can't just double the length and duplicate a pattern easily. You have to either click in every note in the step sequencer again manually or have to duplicate the pattern and then lay the two patterns in the right order on the playlist which sucks because you can't join the clips and easily paste it as one piece.
I'm pretty sure they added all the things you said were missing like two updates ago, ur talking about an outdated version. You're right, those things missing was bad but they fixed that and the update is as always free :)
I can’t lie Fruityloops is nice. I started with Fruityloops. But Maschine Studio was game changing. It’s something about interacting with an actual controller that feels different creatively
Welcome brother. Fl is pretty dope. I’m a newbie trash home producer. Make music for my own enjoyment. Do is pretty user friendly. Love your content man.
4:00 from all the synths available, you really chose SimSynth and did something quite nice with it, that's hella mad. last time I've used this one was when I was trolling myself lol
You did really good figuring it out bro! There are some things you could do an easier way tho;) Other than that, you killed it! Join us in FL GANG! We welcome you with open arms!! 🔥🔥❤️
The thing is, the amount of FL tutorials on here is insane, even if you use another DAW and have no specific interested in FL you've probably learned a percentage of FL workflow by osmosis
Well I started making Beats almost 13 years ago and FL Studio, by that time it was called Fruity Loops, was the Programme I used Yet 13 years later I am still using it cause it is easy to learn and comes with a lot of nice stock plugins (Synths aswell as mixing Plugins). It was cool to watch you starting to try it out a bit :D keep up the good work
Welcome to the dark side of the daw wars. We HAD cookies, but JARED ATE THEM ALL!!! Anywho, don't forget your customary hood, goodie bag and cap. Welcome to the family 👪
Ed, thanks for those really clear examples, I learned a lot and it was super easy to understand. but the best use your always smiling mode. I enjoy a lot your videos so thank you for sharing the knowledge. God bless you.
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such a good vid bro
for the Audio export press CTRL + ALT + C
To be honest if you use FL studio I would watch you more 🇯🇲☝️
Tbh if you’re not use the account send the info because I’m only using the trial version 🇯🇲🏃♂️🙌
The difference between the first beat and the second one was like 2 years of me learning FL... 😐
Took him like 2 mins lmao
He’s also like a professional producer in ableton so it makes sense he’d at least pretty good
no kidding 🤣
@mr leon bingo!
@mr leon It's adapting to the different workflows that's the biggest hurdle. You know what you want to do, but it gets frustrating trying to find the relevant equivalent methods in DAW X that you're used to doing instantly in DAW Y. Nowadays, pretty much all of the DAWs are feature-equivalent in most regards. It's just down to which workflow you prefer.
For a first attempt, this was pretty clean. And that transition on that second beat!!🔥🔥🔥✈️
Simon would be proud 🥲
yes
Simon gonna fix his beat in the next video 😂
You always seem so happy when making music, in the meantime I often get so frustrated and annoyed :D please share your knowledge master, how to stay positive about what you do?
No body smiles and has more fun making music than Ed.
I love making music. That’s about it haha
When I get stuck or I’m struggling I still have a blast trying to figure it out and solve the puzzle!
it s all about perspective,seems like ed looks at it like play and like he said if he is stuck he enjoys solving it like a puzzle. how do u see it when u re stuck or frustrated? be honest with yourself.
I think one thing you gotta keep in mind is that most beats or musical projects don't have to get done right away, and things aren't always going to come out exactly the way you envisioned at the beginning. You gotta give yourself space to make mistakes and explore sounds and be okay with what you come out with at the end. If you feel like your final product isn't good enough just keep practicing and you will eventually get to where you want to be.
That’s what I love about Ed’s channel, always with a smiling face and you could catch his happiness easily. :)
The long awaited Day has finally arrived
😂
Bruh I been waiting
I love the ease of using Automation of Ableton, other than that FL just has that special sauce. Sounds mastered almost instantly.
thats why i see on yt more electronic producers with ableton?
@@perfidny Tbh it could just be preference, I have a really easy time using automation in FL
@@perfidny Maybe so, I know skrillex using Ableton.
every DAW uses the same "internal engine". They all sound the same with the same inputs.
@@avella2506 thank youuu. Check out Decap’s video if you want proof. Only difference is FL internally clips the master, while Ableton doesn’t
I have been using FL Studio for almost 20 years. To say that it has changed since it‘s earliest days would be an understatement. I have gone on to use other DAWs (mostly on iOS) and have still returned to FL Studio for serious recording. It‘s the bombdiggity!
Same here, started in 1999 with Fruity Loops, than tried out Cubase, Reason, Ableton, Reaper, Studio One, Maschine Studio (I know, technically not a DAW) and I still prefer FL over any other DAW.
@@BossOfAllMer damn, you guys are OG! So how are those life time updates? Lol
@@LollosoGabri They work as advertised, I can download every new release.
Really? For recording? Most producers love to talk down on FL approach to recording and audio, so this is pretty refreshing for me to see
@@SwiftDreamer Once you have your own teplate developed, that fits your workflow, you can get the same results as in any other DAW..
You're the first Ableton producer I've seen try FL and actually like it, not to mention cook up some fire. Kudos as hell
thats because he has paitence and an open mind
I watch every producer no matter what the daw is, but when they do like trying to use different daw especially FL is so good and seeing Ed drop some of his first fire beats is satisfying man🔥
Glad to see FL is still really easy to pick up and get right into. I'm self-taught on FL Studio 7, and it's awesome seeing how they've streamlined the workflow in the latest version. Working in Logic currently, and i miss the 3xOsc plugin soooo much :(
I kid you not itsss sooooo gooood
rewire?
I started out in an online DAW called Soundtrap in June 2017, then looked into FL Studio that Winter. I loved it, and kept using it for over four years until I switched to Logic. It was a decent experience.
However, I now use Ableton Live, as the interface is somewhat similar to Logic, but the automation and the way you insert plugins and audio is so much better in my opinion.
What do you guys think... should I switch? 🤔
Yessss!!!!
Используй то, к чему привык
Yesssss switch to FL!!
Yes...to Reason! 😉 Super easy workflow if you are used to hardware gear! Press TAB and you're in cable heaven 🤓
YESS SSSIIIRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
I also started with Ableton but swiched to FL. Found it better aaaannddd, lifetime free updates🔥
For pure workflow, the Ableton+Novation/Focusrite combo is absolutely untouchable.
Even with a Maschine, you're not going to come CLOSE to what a Launchpad+Launchkey+LaunchControl can do, without even leaving Clip View.
And FL only sounds "mastered" when compared to *un*-mastered Ableton samples, LOL.
that all said, Cakewalk is easily the best DAW out there. Its the ONLY truly unlimited DAW; zero paywalls to access literally everything.
But it's like flying an F-14.... XD.
@@The_Eldest_Millenial Fl is working on better midi compatibility. I am not sure what you mean by FL sounds mastered when compared to unmastered ableton samples, when FL is literally made in C and assembly and has better CPU performance than ableton does.
The only reason I can see it sounding different is if people still have the limiter on FL's basic template.
Fl Studio really can do anything that other super expensive daws do. At the beginning it can be frustrating but if one has time and desire to learn, then its capabilities are really limitless.
Great job as always Ed 🔥
idk but damn if FL studio... makes sense? I been using it since 2017 (as time killer/hobby kind of deal, Im no musician or producer) and so far ableton, LMMS and Ardour been the only others I tried, but just cannot pick them up. Ableton just confused me so much my brain started to hurt>
No offence to Ableton users, more as a compliment, If you can use that you must be a wizard. Ableton IS capable considering so many good producers use it.
Much like in the video, I had a satisfying first impression.
@@necrobynerton7384 IMO Ableton is actually much more intuitive and simple than FL. I tried to learn FL a long time ago and gave up after a few hours. I was confused by the matryoshka menus inside of menus, dragging around a bunch of separate windows, all the submenus and tabs, the way clips work, and so on. On the other hand, Ableton was immediately intuitive for me. The arrangement view works exactly how I expected it to. Using clips is easy. The piano roll is a lot easier to use and it's a lot faster as well. I went from knowing nothing about Ableton to making simple beats in probably 30 minutes.
Funny thing is, I used to watch a lot of BusyWorksBeats tutorials years ago. They're pretty garbage, but tutorials are generalizable across DAWs. By watching him use FL, I started to realize its weaknesses. Mostly, the workflow is atrocious due to the complicated UI. To reverse an audio clip, you have to click through something like 2 or 3 menus. In Ableton you just right click the audio and reverse it like in any other program. Resampling is very hard in FL compared to Ableton. You need to use its built-in audio editor, Edison, which works like a VST and has its own separate menu. Then, you have to copy the audio out of it and paste and align it with the measure. In Ableton you just click the output dropdown and select "Resample" and it does it right in the clip arrangement without any alignment necessary. To make clip variations in FL Studio you have to go into some menus and click buttons or clone patterns. Working with clips in FL is a massive pain. In Ableton you just press CTRL+D or right click and duplicate then start messing with the new clip you've made. It works just like any other editing software. Automation is notoriously difficult in FL since you need to do it in a separate channel for each thing automated. EDM tracks end up with like 300 different channels, which looks insane on RUclips and shocks outsiders, but you wouldn't want to have to produce like that. Plus, the drawing tools are not great. In Ableton you literally just draw all your automation on the same channel as whatever you're automating and switch using a dropdown box. It saves so much time it's crazy. Speaking of channels, Ableton doesn't really have the same limitations as FL, making gain staging immensely easier. Watching people try to gain stage or make busses in FL is like watching someone try to comb their hair with a fork. In Ableton you literally just hit CTRL + G to group some channels and then put a group inside another group and you've got a bus. In Ableton 10+ you can just stack these forever. Channel routing is easy too you just change the inputs and outputs using a drop down menu. Pretty much everything is visible to you when you start Ableton and nothing is hidden inside of submenus. Mixing and mastering in FL is truly painful which is why many FL producers use external software to mix or master their tracks, not FL. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of Ableton users just mix and master inside of Ableton.
FL's UI and workflow sucks. Other designers think so as well, which is why virtually every other alternative DAW looks like Ableton. Cubase, Studio One, Reaper, even Logic are more similar to Ableton than to FL. Fact of the matter is that Ableton was designed from the ground up for fast and easy usage, since it was supposed to be a tool for live performance and DJing. It is, well, consequently fast and easy to use. Many FL users who try Ableton switch over once they get enough money. FL's only advantage is that it delivers a full feature set for a relatively small price tag and has good native plugins. Ableton, on the other hand, is very limited unless you buy the ultimate edition and have a bunch of third party plugins. It's sort of the professional's DAW while FL is a casual or hobbyist's DAW.
They share some similarities though. Ableton and FL have the same clip-based looping abilities. I think people get confused in Ableton because it defaults to this clip/loop view instead of the session view. The clip view is designed for DJing or brainstorming, not really for arranging tracks or programming midi. In reality this is basically just the same thing as the pattern window in FL studio.
@@Thes4LT That is... Quite the description for Ableton, and seems that the downsides you mentioned for FL studio are, in fact, true. I will take this newfound info and try Ableton again, I will see if I change my mind.
I guess, since I don't have any other experience I think FL studio is good at what it does, but most definitively it has A LOT of menus to go through - though sometimes I prefer having things separately, not just using this program but in general.
Again, maybe due to my inexperience, so far having everything on a separate channel (especially automation) I can easily find what I am doing, but mostly because nothing ever exceeded over like 40-50 channels for me, so not much of a hassle to go through, but since you mentioned over 300 channels I can see how painful that could be.
Stock plugins I most definitively find good in FL studio - I use Surge as my main VST now (third party) but back like 2 years ago I used Harmor and Harmless, pretty powerful but still feel like you just cant find what you need in the UI. As for effects, I haven't used much outside of LovePhilter, the Parametric EQ2, and some other stock effects
Another thing is, I actually don't use samples much, except for obviously the drums, but thats it. I try to make my own sounds always. Takes time and effort but again, I am not in any rush for an audience, since the audience is myself. I see most producers use samples, and as far as I have seen doing stuff to samples with ableton seems to be easier than fl studio, even on my experience you did have to go through so many hoops to have a sample proper in your track.
Oh and yea duplicating clips is like nonexistent in FL studio, and I always created a new pattern an copied whatever pattern I was trying to duplicate. Another way is to put the same clip twice and use the "Make unique" option to basically do that, but it doesn't have a shortcut (at least I am not aware of) so it does make it a pain. Piano roll has duplicate, if you want to duplicate say a 2 bar melody over to 4, you just press CTRL + B and does that, but thats about it
Overall thanks for the insight, I certainly did not expect that big of a comment, but regardless, I will look into ableton again
fl is a lot more user friendly than ableton biased people are giving it credit for...But I can agree about all the menus that you have to which between. But I use dual screens so no issues for me...I've used many different daws over the years, but for some reason ableton is by far the hardest to get a grasp of. Nothing seems to work the way that you think it should (at least for me). And there seems to always be a bunch of useless info onscreen in which you can't seem to get rid of. With fl's ui, you can close windows you aren't using and you can resize nearly everything.
@@ericwarr9088 So, well, after a few weeks of trying
I still can't use ableton. Maybe because having 5 years of FL usage I have become way too accustomed to the UI and changing that workflow I get completely lost since I expect things differently.
Like in my first comment I seriously can't grasp the UI and feels very unintuitive.
Also considering I am not a keyboard shortcut user, at least not a heavy user, I find Ableton hard to use. Still not saying which is better since it is personal preference (and maybe one has advantages over the other, that much is not being questioned) but for me FL still is more friendly UI wise.
As a FL user, it was really dope seeing you in the DAW.
3:38 When Ed holds his cap before he records you know it'll be fire 🔥🔥
I would love to watch you Do Fl Studio, Watch You Master it Video By Video. And Give Viewers Who Use Fl Studio tips that you learn on the way.
Would Be so Lit
📠📠📠📠📠📠📠📠📠📠📠📠📠📠
best about fl studio when you turn it on that tone at the beginning. I get chills every time. he has been there since the first days. fl studio is so beautiful and so smooth to work with. that it is amazing. I tried Ableton. I couldn't handle it. as if I were colorblind. respect to those who use it.
FL Studio has its good qualities, but beautiful and smooth aren't words I'd use to describe it... it's ugly and clunky lol
@@rorz999 Lol the people making FL have been for 20+ years. Fl is faster since it is literally written in C and assembly code. Since nothing is hard wired to anywhere, you can create your own workflow, anything can automate everything, and now with the new update the UI looks better.
FL has been faster than ableton/
@@Lucky5111 few corrections:
1. Ableton is written in C++, not FL Studio.
2. You can create your own workflow in any software DAW, that's what replaced hardware DAWs with the advent of software inventions. nothing is destructible, everything can be recovered.
3. Any DAW can automate anything.
4. UI is subjective but imo FL Studio looks like a game and Ableton looks more utilitarian. neither is ugly, one is suited for kids and the other is suited for adults. that's like saying you hate the classic doom because "it's ugly", and that's why you prefer the new ones. it's a useless claim because you're not the target audience for it.
there are advantages and disadvantages to using both software so it's childish to compare these two.
@@jackieburkhart3268
1. Never said ableton was written in C, but I did get FL wrong, Fl is written in Delphi and assembly. Still FL has better performance, maybe not by a lot.
2. Agree
3.I am not sure about other DAWs, but I know it is not possible to do the same type of automation used in FL in ableton. Such as having a peak controller automating an external plugin.
4. With the UI, I am implying that in FL's new update you are now able to customize the color scheme to your liking.
@@Lucky5111 that's a new feature in FL? being able to customize colors? geez, y'all are lacking 💀💀💀
Ed Talenti's energy is insane man... He got me hyped up like it's also my first time on FL😂😂😂🤣 This man can lead a whole movement...
YES!
BTW can you make a skillshare course? I'd really like to learn from you!
omg i nearly messaged you on insta saying "I NEED A NEW VIDEO!!!" 😅 but you are here, thank you 🙏🏽
Been making beats in fl for over an year now this was better than everything i made . *cries in corner*
😅 it's all good. with time everything gets better 👊🏽
@@trapbeatproduceralways hope for the best.
Hahahaha
Same here, I have no idea what to do with 808s
I feel you bro but remember, quantity over quality is good than quality over quantity. Focus on making more music than making good music then you will feel that you're getting better. Apply different techniques that you've learned in making music, apply creativity and ideas in your Daw then make even slight improvement. More power brother 🔥🔥🔥
I love watching you use FL because that’s my DAW it’s very comforting and less confusing than watching you cook up on ableton
He's trying so hard not to get disliked by either FL or Ableton users lol
I love AB. I started producing on it with a launchpad years ago and I got to say I workflow on FL is really good. I can not afford to make the move but if I could I would love to have both of them.
@@whywhy8575 I have it cracked, can send you the file if you up for it
@@362n4 don’t suggest saying that in public, since this entire comments section will be defending fl and saying why not to pirate stuff etc etc the usual bullshit defending image line
It is on sale ending today. A bundle with its fullest featured edition, 5 sample packs, and 2 vsts for 399
@@snesmocha I like FL, but go ahead and pirate. if you do not have the money, it is better to pirate now then buy later.
This is so much fun to watch!
Been using FL for over 10 years, now I'm learning Ableton; wish me luck!
how it goes?
how it goes?
@@Afura33 At first, it was weird to learn, but at some point, I started really getting the hang of it. Now I use it even more than FL
@@MiketheNerdRanger glad to hear man, I maybe will get back to ableton one day, I kinda felt lost using it so I went back to FL.
Just the fact that it's inspiring is worth spending time with it. I love FL for that reason, the look and the workflow just helps me stay creative. It has its quirks of course, I question my life decisions about not using Ableton sometimes lol. But that's just part of making music
6:10 that's the most satisfying shot, edtalenti monitors with FL loaded
we did it FL gang 🔥🔥
anyways tho fire beats🔥🔥🔥🔥
Your joy is infectious man. You earned yourself an easy follow
Dude the quality of your videos is actually insane you really are an artist
If you wanna blow your mind try the patcher!With patcher you can litteraly create new plugin by yourself. I don't wont spoiler so much about it, just try it (even the preset).
Fl is the best daw 💯 pls make more fl videos every now and then
Love what ur doing, been here for a while 🔥
Nice! I'd love to see you try Studio One. It's my preferred DAW after trying Ableton, FL Studio, BitWig, Cubase, Reason, Logic, etc.
yoo wtf, did you buy all those license ??
@@jamesbrowny9488 sussy
@@toonyandfriends1915 yeah, I think he hacked them
im an Ableton User for +6y,and i can say that logic is better than studio one in term of making music,
it has a lot of things to offer if you are experienced af,studio one still limited asf,you cant even see the current peak db number near the fader,except for the master channel.
@@jamesbrowny9488 "after trying Ableton, FL Studio, BitWig, Cubase, Reason, Logic, etc..." - Trying is the word - all of those DAW's has trial/demo versions so anybody can try them before buy
The hi hat loop you played was pretty sick, here @2:14 , you need no play it again to record. You can just go to tools and "Dump the score log" > last 2/5/10 min.
This will dump the last played score Log ( not sure whether it is log or anything else) on your highlighted track ( green colored )
I had been an FL user since around FL 5.0 and switched to Ableton for several years. I still miss the FL Piano roll. I still find FL Studio to be the fastest way to get something out of my head and into my ears.
Now running FL Studio INSIDE of Ableton using ReWire... That's where it's at.
Best of both worlds! 🎶☠🎶
How did you do that
One of my friends used to use Ableton then moved to FL recently, seems like Ablwton users like our workflow even though they don't like admitting it
I mean it is a similar work flow overall on both, ableton has better and faster automations and everything can be on one screen and it's quicker to navigate, and samples can instantly be fixed/stretched in places but FL has a better sequencer and piano roll so it's a trade off. For drum programming or piano roll, FL is better, for automation, sample manipulation and live recording of instruments like guitar ableton is better
I moved from FL to Ableton. Now that I'm in Ableton i just wonder how the fuck i even made music in FL. To each their own i guess
@@Mateusz7821 if u dont record midi all the time fl is atleast 2x faster at getting a beat done. (starting time not included)
I love how much you enjoyed FL, all I got from you was a positive vibe
this is awesome, the energy is amazing.
Here’s something I love about FL go to piano roll -view -time segment select beats then project settings - time based settings 96 ppq (pulses per quarter note ) this allows you to see the beats and has the same grid resolution as the mpc in the piano roll
I normally can not stand to over enthusiastic and happy people which looks pretentious but yours is so genuine and your presentations are so inspiring and helpful. Keep being happy! Thank you!
I really wish ableton would take a page out of FL's book with the step sequencer. That shit is fire.
I don't particularly like FL for automation and whatnot, but that sequencer...
I made a song the other day and decide not to even automate any delays lmao
Fl is terrible in automation
@@TheHonestTruth lol no it's not bruh. I'm not saying its the best either. but to say its terrible is just wrong. but to each their own.
@@TheHonestTruth FL is one of the best for automation. Literally everything can automate everything, if you have a kick on one channel with a peak controller, you can basically set up a proq3 on the bass then invert the peak signal to the 80hz-200hz~ range, and you basically have space for your kick to pop out.
Ask and you shall receive. Ableton added a step sequencer in version 12
This video was great! I was planning on switching from ableton to fl as my first payed for daw because it seemed cheaper but I was so used to ableton and I was worried I wouldn’t be able to learn fl but seeing this definitely helped me out and made me excited to try it out in the future thanks man!
Learning a new daw isn't that hard.
You just have to get used to the shortcuts
You probably are the only guy who became such a pro at using fl in such short time man... You won my heart 😂🖤🖤
Once you have learned other daws, you can basically replicate that work flow into fl.
I really love your positivity and energy in the videos. I just want to make music with you after seeing this
First time I see abletone user switch to FL. Glad they exists. I was watching you with the smile on my face during entire video. Glad you enjoyed FL!
You should just do alternate videos of FL and Ableton.
I’m thinking about switching to FL from ableton too.
went through when I first started video editing, now it's taking a whole new switch and learning soft will only boost my courage for the
Where Fl Gang?
Waddup
Ableton.
One day I hope to get to this level 😂🔥I didn't have much of a music background, but I started making beats 2 years back, I can't play any instruments but plan on learning in the near future, always lots to learn and I look forward to seeing where I'll be one day, keep up your work man it's inspiring
why does it look so easy my first beat sounds like old nasa pcs in a microwave
So you are making experimental industrial ambient in your first beat? 😂
Glad u tried FL... the workflow is super smooth n awesome when it comes to fl. If u plan to keep making beats with FL here r some of the stock plugins u shud use.... GMS, Flex, Sytrus, 3xOsc n Toxic Biohazard
Plot Twist: Ed has secretly been using FL this entire time
Soo true lolz!
The Ned result was a trap drill hybrid because of the 808s being a bit to quick but sounded really good
I’ve been thinking of switching to Abelton from FL because I hear it’s not as complicated as FL.
FL is too damn complicated with all the menu diving and random UI shit that doesn’t make sense. I can work sort of quickly on it but Ableton is like the quickest (for me personally) to go from an idea in my head to real music
@@josephkiesel4695 from the videos I’ve watched on abelton that’s what it looks like. It’s straight to the point. Only thing holding me back is how much Abelton is and the fact I’d have to learn a whole new DAW. I still feel like I’m trying to find my groove as a producer but it’s only been a year and a half for me.
@@deepeyton if you get some certain hardware it comes bundled with Ableton Live Lite, which is a slightly limited version of Ableton but you can do basically everything you’d want to do on there. Ableton live intro is pretty good too and I think it’s just 99 dollars.
the video we all been waiting for!!
I can't get enough of FL🔥🔥🔥
Bro you make it look too easy🤣and Fl Studio is basically one of my limbs! I think fl 12 would have been a lot more difficult to adjust to so it's nice to see the Lifetime Updates benefiting the music creators. No shade on Ableton, I love the moves they're making too☀️
5:45 yes you should
My boy taught me the basics and I learned it in a day from garage band mobile. I love garage band but I’ll never go back. I even forgot how to use it lol
1:13 Sounds like elevator jam from roblox doors. DAMN
everyone: ableton or fl?
me: uses both interchangably
I like FL Studio more by the piano roll alone and the modulation possibilities. Envelope controller?, automation clips? harmor?...
opinions are opinions, but FL Piano Roll is the best. FLGVNG🙏🏻
NO ITS NOT!!!!, blah blah blah is BETTTER
YES I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!!
If you use both of daw that will make more interesting 😉
I’m definitely gonna do that!
BOL: best of luck
It's for the first time seeing a user of other DAW trying FL Studio & immediately make fire. You're brilliant 🔥
I only watch FL Studio videos. FL Gang 🥭
I personally think that fl is better then ableton but i also think its not the program that make the producer. ✌
Seeing my favorite Music Producer using my favorite DAW is absolutely fantastically Amaziiiinnnng!!!!!!
Hey Ed thanks for the demo. I was wondering if you noticed anything different about FL Studio that made it better than Ableton? I've been playing with Ableton on my laptop for a few months but Ableton's interface is tiiiny in comparison to FL Studio. I feel like I need a magnifying glass to use Ableton! Anyway thanks for the content bro 🙏🏼
For that reason alone I prefer fl. It's very hard to see what you are doing on ableton. With fl you can move things around easily, close them out, or resize them to make sure that you are viewing everything you need to see.
@@ericwarr9088 Right! It took me a month to question if I needed to keep enduring such abuse on my eyes LOL. Thank you for the quick response
Wow that's actually so fire🔥 and crazy to think about
{Insert fanboy Hate comment here}
urm what the sigma
@@yutthanadasri1552wtf r u on about
The rizz is skibid of the sus
bro a really inspiring producer and your videos are so entertaining. thanks for these man
First comment 🔥
boiii
Dope bro
You can use FL Studio like a VST plugin inside Ableton so you can have both 'cakes' and 'eat' them!
Glad u taking a chance with FL. Wait until u find that free vst Flex in there.
Dayum! Im using FL for years now and ur just starting. Dude u beat me! Subbed
brother laughs more than he blinks. much love keep up the positive vibe bro love your work
I was not ready for that 2nd one 🔥🔥🔥
Nice to see that you actually used the "more hidden" features of FL and figured them out instead of just beeing frustatreated all the time like all the other videos from Producers switching to FL lol
Ive tried both.. FL Studio.. Once youve got it down, is SOOO powerful. It just makes things go so much faster. Like Ivve be making a beat and my gf will say "Wtf are you typing lyrics? I dont see a wordpad or anything" and Im like no, Im using hot keys and shortcuts. So once you have all this down, and yes other DAW have shortcuts but Fl just is supreme. Everything has its own little window that you can go from each to each so youre not on the same screen, you can focus on exactly what youre working on, and even the aesthetics make the production sound better. Then you have, on the left, a kind of "trick" which is in Mixer Presets where you can chose a mastering preset.. And there are many to chose from, but it kind of bumps up your mixing and mastering baseline much higher. Just that alone almost makes it sound mastered already. I swear by Fl... Ill never use a different DAW ever. FL is KING.
FL Studio is an incredibly flexible DAW which makes it so easy to hop into and start creating. From what I’ve heard, Ableton users don’t like FL because of how flexible it is, i.e. being able to put whatever you want wherever you want-which can make things incredibly messy-but it becomes a powerful tool if you how to use it.
It’s also a nightmare for recording vocals or live instruments. I hate that I can't select where the clips are laid down on the playlist. And you also can't join audio or midi clips like you would on Logic or Ableton. Another issue is the fact that you can't just double the length and duplicate a pattern easily. You have to either click in every note in the step sequencer again manually or have to duplicate the pattern and then lay the two patterns in the right order on the playlist which sucks because you can't join the clips and easily paste it as one piece.
I'm pretty sure they added all the things you said were missing like two updates ago, ur talking about an outdated version. You're right, those things missing was bad but they fixed that and the update is as always free :)
That's exactly what I love about FL, I don't care how messy my project files look, I just want to be able to do whatever I want with it
I can’t lie Fruityloops is nice. I started with Fruityloops. But Maschine Studio was game changing. It’s something about interacting with an actual controller that feels different creatively
YEEEESSSSSSS JOOIIINNN USSSSSSSS. Fl started as a toy DAW and now it's in pole position. What an evolution it's been.
First one came out so clear 🤩 And these ghost rim snares were so smooth
I'm loving this new Ed.... please gift me more Fl studio tuts and when are you having another beat contest
Good thing you survived the journey and welcome back bro
I enjoy how accurate the subtitles are
Welcome brother. Fl is pretty dope. I’m a newbie trash home producer. Make music for my own enjoyment. Do is pretty user friendly. Love your content man.
4:00 from all the synths available, you really chose SimSynth and did something quite nice with it, that's hella mad. last time I've used this one was when I was trolling myself lol
It'll take a year to fully get used to but it's kickass. I've been using it since V 2 or 3 and there's SO much in there
Thanks ed for helping me figure out melodies 🔥🔥🔥
You did really good figuring it out bro! There are some things you could do an easier way tho;) Other than that, you killed it! Join us in FL GANG! We welcome you with open arms!! 🔥🔥❤️
The thing is, the amount of FL tutorials on here is insane, even if you use another DAW and have no specific interested in FL you've probably learned a percentage of FL workflow by osmosis
I love how much you are enjoying this 😊
It’s like a kid in a sweet shop! Love your enthusiasm 😎
4:42 I felt heavy 2000s drake vibes when you came in with that sound
Well I started making Beats almost 13 years ago and FL Studio, by that time it was called Fruity Loops, was the Programme I used Yet 13 years later I am still using it cause it is easy to learn and comes with a lot of nice stock plugins (Synths aswell as mixing Plugins). It was cool to watch you starting to try it out a bit :D keep up the good work
They thought the name is too long so they just shorted it to FL,since it still means fruity loops,but i m curious how really logic is
@@vali6657 maybe theres and Option for you to try it out? Some sort of Demo or so, idk :D
Bro I can't be the only person that thinks 4:06 is so freaking good!
You really inspire me and I’m currently saving up for my first midi keyboard to start producing insane beats like this hopefully someday
Welcome to the dark side of the daw wars. We HAD cookies, but JARED ATE THEM ALL!!!
Anywho, don't forget your customary hood, goodie bag and cap. Welcome to the family 👪
A lot like drill but has a trappy vibe to it,this is great!#EdTalenti up and running on the FL work flow🔥💯
Ed, thanks for those really clear examples, I learned a lot and it was super easy to understand. but the best use your always smiling mode. I enjoy a lot your videos so thank you for sharing the knowledge. God bless you.