Fantastic video mate. It’s amazing how many people either don’t know these techniques or ignore them in their rush to get things moving again. The best advice I ever received was this is a time to slow down & think, not speed up & rush. Thanks for reinforcing this mate
The pins are not the best option, very last resort only these days. Receiver has sharp edges that damages strap and has potential of causing failure. Rated recovery points at rear or the rated recovery point mounted into reciever. Great presentation once again Tim. Thanks.
Been using soft shackles from Miolle over the years. These soft shackles are fantastic. As part of an off-road recovery organization, we go through a lot of shackles. Soft Shackles are definitely safer in case of a line break. We have used these shackles in a variety of different scenarios and they still hold up great. We have used them in combination with straps and kinetic recovery ropes. They have exceeded all of our expectations that we purchased 10 more to add to all of our recovery vehicles.
Hi Tim That’s how I was shown how to join two snatch straps by the Ipswich 4WD club on a training day about 15 years ago, but now I have 6 soft shackles and they are the greatest thing I’ve ever put into my recovery gear and can be used for almost every occasion, well done again mate keep it up Cheers Amos 👍🍻
G'day Amos, Thanks a lot mate for your reply. Yeah also was shown that way to join two straps together and also about 15yrs ago. I've stuck with that way ever since and worked know worries at all. I have two soft shackles in my kit, and yeah I would be joining straps together these days with them and not via the know with newspaper. Thanks again mate, greatly appreciate it. Cheers Batesy.
@@timbates4wdadventures Can I suggest you and Amos might need a refresher, "biting' straps is not the correct method to join straps, just cause you have do it that way in the past doesn't mean it's correct. Soft Shackle to join snatch straps is just introducing un-need gear, extra cost and extra failure points.
@@badger_4x4 G'day mate, Not sure about how others may do things. But with me, if I've used a method in the past and i know it's worked. I'll stick with what i know works. Not sure if i see the need for change, just because it's done differently today. Thanks for your reply mate, i always appreciate replies and feed back. Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures Tim, the problem is the method you're suggesting reduces the capacity of the strap, as per comments others have made , particularly as it is reeved so tight. See something like bullivants riggers handbook for an example of the reduction of properly reeved sling - yes I acknowledge the difference in materials polyester vs nylon. You should have enough industry contacts to put you on the right path. It's worth chasing up, no point talking about rated gear then showing people a method that reduces the capacity. There is always something to learn, got to be open to new methods but nothing wrong with critically assessing them. Thanks for the reply and not getting shirty with the critique, we won't improve otherwise. Badger
To save yourself from getting stuck in difficult offroad situations would be to know your vehicle's limitations with a degree of safety. Using some discretion can be your best option. There has been too many vehicles lost or damaged due to poor decision making. Cheers
Not so . The Snatch Strap is made with such distortions in mind . Actually , ALL straps are like that . What NOT to do , is introduce anything that might Cut the Edge of the Strap . THEN it will fail .
G'day Patrick, Thats interesting. Not that I have used the front recovery point very often, but have certainly used it over the years, without any issues at all. For a tie down point , its bolted to the chassis where it needs to be. Also if it was only a tie down point that Nissan claim, I would have thought one would be on both sides. Also the number of driver training courses I have down over years, have approved it for recovery operations. Thanks heaps for your feed back mate. Cheers Batesy.
Hi Tim I used the front tie down on my old GQ until it snapped at the bend and shot through the recovery vehicles back window. It hit the front passenger head rest and landed in the middle row seats. Very lucky the kids all hoped out of the car before the recovery! First thing I did with my GU was remove the hook and install two Road Safe rated recovery points. Cheers Scott
@@scottieisme G'day Scott, Far out. Is that the same front hook I have on my Patrol? I have used the front hook a few times, without any issues. Great feed back from your experience though. Cheers Batesy.
Welcome back Batesy !! Great advice as always mate...sensible stuff and something we rarely see these days...common sense!Some rain coming here in Mansfield finally but little snow on Buller...it will be a most interesting Winter!! Well done mate!
G'day Craig, Thanks mate, good being back and back in the High Country. I'll be over the Mansfield side in early August if you're around. Thanks again mate. Cheers Batesy.
Yeah mate. The tow ball is so not to be used a recovery point. Very dangerous if the tow ball snaps under the load. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.
Love the vids, just a couple of things. When you use a choke hitch as you did when you joined the snatch straps, that compromises the rating of the strap to about 75%. Or in the case of the a 8000kg snatch strap, 6000kg. Much better off using a reef knot to join them, I also have a bugger of a time using news paper, thick glossy magazines are much better. Also unweighted dampers barley do a thing for a recoiling strap. I tested it for chuckles, it gave me a new respect for loaded snatch straps. Keep up the great work!
G'day Simmo, Thanks for your reply mate, I always take on all the comments. The way I join my straps, is a way I was shown about 15yrs ago, and I've always joined them that way and without any issues. The newspaper can be hard to get out sometimes, but I find, the bigger the roll is the easier it comes out. The damper blanket I use in the video is a weighted cover. Certainly I could see how a damper blanket without any weight wouldn't work all that well. Thanks again mate, great feed back. Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures not yet! I'm scheduled to do similar testing with a chain, steel and synthetic rope in the next couple of weeks, so maybe after that!
Great video but a couple of things to add. 1. That hook is a tie down point, it is not a recovery point and it’s definitely not rated. Get some proper rated recovery points for the front. 2. When using 2x snatch straps joined, they should each have a dampener. Especially if you’re joining them with a soft shackle. 3. Some comments here read along the lines of “this is how I’ve always done it” or “someone told me” and even “I’ve never had a problem”. That mentality is asking for trouble. We change the way we do things regularly because we learn and evolve, the way you were taught to do something 15 years ago is not necessarily the way you would be taught to do it today. If you still did your job “the way you’ve always done it” would you be doing it optimally? I know I wouldn’t. And finally, just because you’ve never had a problem doing something a certain way doesn’t mean you never will. It might just mean that you’ve been very lucky up until now.
G'day Craig, Good points in 1 & 2 mate. As far as points in No3. Recovery gear hasn't changed a great deal over the years. A snatch strap 15 years ago is pretty much the same thing today. I'll stand corrected if im wrong. I cant see why how i did a snatch recovery 15 years ago wouldn't still work safely today. Mate, i ran my own brick laying business for 25 years, not much if any changed in how i laid bricks back then to how i would still do it today. Im a firm believer, if it works why change it. Just my take on it. Great feedback, i greatly appreciate it. Cheers Tim.
If you choke 2 straps together you lower the integrity of the strap, you need to remember the straps rating is measured from one point to another, choking it on itself lowers is load rating
Hey Timbo! Good info as always mate, I can tell you though that sometimes on the factory recovery point on a GU your snatch strap might float off (I had this happen in Nolans Brook) I recon I'd upgrade to a pair of Roadsafe or similar points. Cheers Steve
G'day Steve, Thanks mate. A few people have mentioned the front hook on the Patrol. Not that I have had any issues in the past, but will keep in mind for sure. Have looked at those roadsfae points, they look the goods. Cheers Batesy.
Tim, at a a push come to shove, what about using your winch cable to pull them out of some mud, I understand not thick axel gluing stuff or really loose sand, just your average can't quite get muh 4wd out, too greasy etc?
Good points Tim, dunny roll works a treat instead of news paper, also pays to check the rating on recovery points, there not all equal. Agreed about tow balls, mate there are still people using them for recoveries, WTF?
G'day Paul, Thanks mate for your reply. Yeah for sure mate, funny roll would work well also, being a bit thicker and easier to get out of the two straps. For sure mate about the tow ball. With so much promotion about not using a tow ball for recoveries, still people use them. Hard to work that on out. Thanks again mate. Cheers Batesy.
You may find that most "recovery" points on Patrols , Landcruisers and most other 4x4's on the markets are not designed for kinetic energy recoveries ie snatch recoveries. If you read vehicles handbooks they say they are emergency tow points not recovery points. The only vehicle manufacturer that I know of that rates and call their points, recovery points is Land Rover
G'day Greg, I will look into that for sure. I have used the recovery points on my Patrol many times, without an issue. But i will look into it. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.
Great video! Just a question, how to distinguish between the snatch strap and the winch strap? Perhaps I had used the winch straps couple of times to tow out of the bogged sand and the straps broke.
Gday mates, The best way to tell between the two straps is the information tag thats inside the loops. That tag will tell you what strap it is. Plus the roll size of the snatch strap is smaller than the winch strap. They are two very different looking straps when they are side by side. Just because the strap broke, doesn't mean you used the wrong strap. If the bogged 4wd is stuck badly enough, the straps can still break. Plus depends how old the strap is? How many times it has been used? Those two factors can contribute to a snatch strap breaking. Key point is, make sure that you are using the correct strap for the job it's designed to do. I hope that has answered your question mate. Thanks for your feedback and reply. Cheers Tim.
Cliff Hodgins Gday Cliff, The rope is the newer kid on the bloke if you like. The rope has more stretch, longer lasting, and higher breaking strain. All the recovery straps will probably go to rope down the track. Thanks for your reply and feedback mate. Cheers Tim.
Is there a proper place to put a strap if there is no designated points? Like a car is stuck in the snow on the side of the road, whats the least likely point of break
G'day mate, No, the only place to hook up the front of a 4wd is using rated front recovery points. But, at the end of the day. You just have to do what you have to do, if the recovered 4wd doesn't have any recovery points. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.
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This is perfect, thank you for all these helpful videos! I’ll be studying hard 😊🙏🏻🍻
@@berry7usagii no worries mate.
I’m glad you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim.
Fantastic video mate. It’s amazing how many people either don’t know these techniques or ignore them in their rush to get things moving again. The best advice I ever received was this is a time to slow down & think, not speed up & rush. Thanks for reinforcing this mate
G'day mate,
Thanks for your feed back.
Yeah spot on, recoveries should never be rushed, thats when things can a do go wrong.
Cheers Batesy.
I learned the softshakel in beteten…. Great
They are a great recover item to have in your kit.
Cheers Tim
The pins are not the best option, very last resort only these days. Receiver has sharp edges that damages strap and has potential of causing failure. Rated recovery points at rear or the rated recovery point mounted into reciever. Great presentation once again Tim. Thanks.
Thanks Tim. As a new player, this was helpful.
G'day mate,
Thats great you found the video helpful mate.
If you need any other information, let me know.
Thanks a lot for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Been using soft shackles from Miolle over the years. These soft shackles are fantastic. As part of an off-road recovery organization, we go through a lot of shackles. Soft Shackles are definitely safer in case of a line break. We have used these shackles in a variety of different scenarios and they still hold up great. We have used them in combination with straps and kinetic recovery ropes. They have exceeded all of our expectations that we purchased 10 more to add to all of our recovery vehicles.
Soft shackles are the go for sure mate.
Cheers Tim
Hi Tim
That’s how I was shown how to join two snatch straps by the Ipswich 4WD club on a training day about 15 years ago, but now I have 6 soft shackles and they are the greatest thing I’ve ever put into my recovery gear and can be used for almost every occasion, well done again mate keep it up
Cheers Amos 👍🍻
G'day Amos,
Thanks a lot mate for your reply.
Yeah also was shown that way to join two straps together and also about 15yrs ago. I've stuck with that way ever since and worked know worries at all.
I have two soft shackles in my kit, and yeah I would be joining straps together these days with them and not via the know with newspaper.
Thanks again mate, greatly appreciate it.
Cheers Batesy.
@@timbates4wdadventures Can I suggest you and Amos might need a refresher, "biting' straps is not the correct method to join straps, just cause you have do it that way in the past doesn't mean it's correct. Soft Shackle to join snatch straps is just introducing un-need gear, extra cost and extra failure points.
@@badger_4x4
G'day mate,
Not sure about how others may do things.
But with me, if I've used a method in the past and i know it's worked. I'll stick with what i know works.
Not sure if i see the need for change, just because it's done differently today.
Thanks for your reply mate, i always appreciate replies and feed back.
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures Tim, the problem is the method you're suggesting reduces the capacity of the strap, as per comments others have made , particularly as it is reeved so tight.
See something like bullivants riggers handbook for an example of the reduction of properly reeved sling - yes I acknowledge the difference in materials polyester vs nylon.
You should have enough industry contacts to put you on the right path. It's worth chasing up, no point talking about rated gear then showing people a method that reduces the capacity.
There is always something to learn, got to be open to new methods but nothing wrong with critically assessing them.
Thanks for the reply and not getting shirty with the critique, we won't improve otherwise.
Badger
@@badger_4x4
G'day mate,
I'll take all that on board.
Im always open to advise and ideas.
We never stop learning inn this world.
Cheers Batesy.
Thanks Tim good tips on recovery
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Thank you, that was helpful 🏁🏁🏁👍😄.
Gday mate,
That’s great you found some helpful tips in the video.
I appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
To save yourself from getting stuck in difficult offroad situations would be to know your vehicle's limitations with a degree of safety. Using some discretion can be your best option. There has been too many vehicles lost or damaged due to poor decision making. Cheers
Great advice mate.
Knowing your vehicles capabilities is really important as is knowing your own capabilities.
Thanks for your feedback
Cheers Tim
Thank you, Sir! Totally Subscribed!
Thanks you for your reply and feedback.
Thanks also for subscribing to my channel.
Cheers Tim.
very well explained! great video and well done
G'day mate,
Thanks a lot for your feedback, i greatly appreciate it.
Cheers Tim.
The bridal might “half the load” but it’s also halting the breaking strength of that strap cause it’s going to pinch once it’s under tension.
Not so . The Snatch Strap is made with such distortions in mind . Actually , ALL straps are like that .
What NOT to do , is introduce anything that might Cut the Edge of the Strap . THEN it will fail .
That's smart tips. thanks
Thanks mate.
I appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
Factory recovery points are only tie down points according to Nissan. I bent a Factory recovery points on my GQ.
G'day Patrick,
Thats interesting.
Not that I have used the front recovery point very often, but have certainly used it over the years, without any issues at all.
For a tie down point , its bolted to the chassis where it needs to be.
Also if it was only a tie down point that Nissan claim, I would have thought one would be on both sides.
Also the number of driver training courses I have down over years, have approved it for recovery operations.
Thanks heaps for your feed back mate.
Cheers Batesy.
Hi Tim I used the front tie down on my old GQ until it snapped at the bend and shot through the recovery vehicles back window. It hit the front passenger head rest and landed in the middle row seats. Very lucky the kids all hoped out of the car before the recovery! First thing I did with my GU was remove the hook and install two Road Safe rated recovery points. Cheers Scott
@@scottieisme
G'day Scott, Far out. Is that the same front hook I have on my Patrol?
I have used the front hook a few times, without any issues.
Great feed back from your experience though.
Cheers Batesy.
Patrick is 100% correct, that is not a recovery point and it should never be used for a snatch recovery.
Thank you
No worries.
Glad you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim.
Welcome back Batesy !! Great advice as always mate...sensible stuff and something we rarely see these days...common sense!Some rain coming here in Mansfield finally but little snow on Buller...it will be a most interesting Winter!! Well done mate!
G'day Craig,
Thanks mate, good being back and back in the High Country.
I'll be over the Mansfield side in early August if you're around.
Thanks again mate.
Cheers Batesy.
Im so glad you mentioned not using a tow ball, makes me cringe when I see people do it, can be fatal, can't stress it enough
Yeah mate. The tow ball is so not to be used a recovery point.
Very dangerous if the tow ball snaps under the load.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
Love the vids, just a couple of things.
When you use a choke hitch as you did when you joined the snatch straps, that compromises the rating of the strap to about 75%. Or in the case of the a 8000kg snatch strap, 6000kg. Much better off using a reef knot to join them, I also have a bugger of a time using news paper, thick glossy magazines are much better.
Also unweighted dampers barley do a thing for a recoiling strap. I tested it for chuckles, it gave me a new respect for loaded snatch straps.
Keep up the great work!
G'day Simmo,
Thanks for your reply mate, I always take on all the comments.
The way I join my straps, is a way I was shown about 15yrs ago, and I've always joined them that way and without any issues.
The newspaper can be hard to get out sometimes, but I find, the bigger the roll is the easier it comes out.
The damper blanket I use in the video is a weighted cover. Certainly I could see how a damper blanket without any weight wouldn't work all that well.
Thanks again mate, great feed back.
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures Here's the standard dampers (not) doing their thing... ruclips.net/video/4sRebBY_muQ/видео.html
@@simmo8018 G'day mate,
Very interesting video that one.
So, have you thrown away your dampers from your recovery kit?
Cheers Batesy.
@@timbates4wdadventures not yet! I'm scheduled to do similar testing with a chain, steel and synthetic rope in the next couple of weeks, so maybe after that!
@@simmo8018 Very interesting mate. I'd be keen to hear what your findings are on those tests.
Cheers Batesy.
Great video but a couple of things to add.
1. That hook is a tie down point, it is not a recovery point and it’s definitely not rated. Get some proper rated recovery points for the front.
2. When using 2x snatch straps joined, they should each have a dampener. Especially if you’re joining them with a soft shackle.
3. Some comments here read along the lines of “this is how I’ve always done it” or “someone told me” and even “I’ve never had a problem”. That mentality is asking for trouble. We change the way we do things regularly because we learn and evolve, the way you were taught to do something 15 years ago is not necessarily the way you would be taught to do it today. If you still did your job “the way you’ve always done it” would you be doing it optimally? I know I wouldn’t. And finally, just because you’ve never had a problem doing something a certain way doesn’t mean you never will. It might just mean that you’ve been very lucky up until now.
G'day Craig,
Good points in 1 & 2 mate.
As far as points in No3.
Recovery gear hasn't changed a great deal over the years. A snatch strap 15 years ago is pretty much the same thing today. I'll stand corrected if im wrong.
I cant see why how i did a snatch recovery 15 years ago wouldn't still work safely today.
Mate, i ran my own brick laying business for 25 years, not much if any changed in how i laid bricks back then to how i would still do it today.
Im a firm believer, if it works why change it.
Just my take on it.
Great feedback, i greatly appreciate it.
Cheers Tim.
Great video mate, thanks for the info
G'day mate,
Thanks heaps for your feedback.
Im glad you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim.
If you choke 2 straps together you lower the integrity of the strap, you need to remember the straps rating is measured from one point to another, choking it on itself lowers is load rating
Ahh righto mate.
I'll keep that in mind.
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures no worries mate, I work as a rigger with cranes etc and its part of our course is learning about stuff like that
@@xterrorx8376 yeah cool mate.
Thanks interesting line of work mate.
Hey Timbo! Good info as always mate, I can tell you though that sometimes on the factory recovery point on a GU your snatch strap might float off (I had this happen in Nolans Brook) I recon I'd upgrade to a pair of Roadsafe or similar points. Cheers Steve
G'day Steve,
Thanks mate.
A few people have mentioned the front hook on the Patrol. Not that I have had any issues in the past, but will keep in mind for sure.
Have looked at those roadsfae points, they look the goods.
Cheers Batesy.
Tim, at a a push come to shove, what about using your winch cable to pull them out of some mud, I understand not thick axel
gluing stuff or really loose sand, just your average can't quite get muh 4wd out, too greasy etc?
Good points Tim, dunny roll works a treat instead of news paper, also pays to check the rating on recovery points, there not all equal. Agreed about tow balls, mate there are still people using them for recoveries, WTF?
G'day Paul,
Thanks mate for your reply.
Yeah for sure mate, funny roll would work well also, being a bit thicker and easier to get out of the two straps.
For sure mate about the tow ball. With so much promotion about not using a tow ball for recoveries, still people use them. Hard to work that on out.
Thanks again mate.
Cheers Batesy.
You may find that most "recovery" points on Patrols , Landcruisers and most other 4x4's on the markets are not designed for kinetic energy recoveries ie snatch recoveries. If you read vehicles handbooks they say they are emergency tow points not recovery points. The only vehicle manufacturer that I know of that rates and call their points, recovery points is Land Rover
G'day Greg,
I will look into that for sure.
I have used the recovery points on my Patrol many times, without an issue.
But i will look into it.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
Great video! Just a question, how to distinguish between the snatch strap and the winch strap? Perhaps I had used the winch straps couple of times to tow out of the bogged sand and the straps broke.
Gday mates,
The best way to tell between the two straps is the information tag thats inside the loops.
That tag will tell you what strap it is.
Plus the roll size of the snatch strap is smaller than the winch strap.
They are two very different looking straps when they are side by side.
Just because the strap broke, doesn't mean you used the wrong strap.
If the bogged 4wd is stuck badly enough, the straps can still break.
Plus depends how old the strap is?
How many times it has been used?
Those two factors can contribute to a snatch strap breaking.
Key point is, make sure that you are using the correct strap for the job it's designed to do.
I hope that has answered your question mate.
Thanks for your feedback and reply.
Cheers Tim.
Great video thanks. What is your opinion of the kinetic rope vers the recovery strap?
Cliff Hodgins
Gday Cliff,
The rope is the newer kid on the bloke if you like.
The rope has more stretch, longer lasting, and higher breaking strain.
All the recovery straps will probably go to rope down the track.
Thanks for your reply and feedback mate.
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures Thanks Tim, I am just starting out.
@@cliffhodgins1375 No worries mate.
If you have any further question, let me know mate.
Is there a proper place to put a strap if there is no designated points? Like a car is stuck in the snow on the side of the road, whats the least likely point of break
G'day mate,
No, the only place to hook up the front of a 4wd is using rated front recovery points.
But, at the end of the day. You just have to do what you have to do, if the recovered 4wd doesn't have any recovery points.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
Just make sure its Rated.
That is for sure mate.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.