How to DRILL & TAP Hard Jaws | Big Lathe Chuck
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- We show how easy it is to drill and tap the hard jaws on a lathe chuck! We've got a new 3 Jaw Chuck for our big Shenyang lathe and need to set it up with bolt on soft brass pads. We do this with all our 3 jaw chucks to make set ups of chrome rods simple and quick. We show the step by step process of drilling and tapping the hard jaws of the chuck and also make up the brass pads that are bolted on to the jaws. This is a quick, easy fix to solve the problem of dropping & searching for shims in the chip tray!
In this video we are using:
- Hafco BM-63VE Milling machine
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Well look here folks, this here is a prime example of the fabled 2nd video in 1 week. Thanks Karen and Kurtis!
You say: Thanks for watching!
I say: Thanks for filming, editing and uploading! And thanks for sharing tips and tricks!
Greetings from Germany
I had one of those highly repetitive jobs where I had to run 50 pieces in a row. I was using loose shims to prevent the jaws from marking up the workpiece. After 30 some parts I forgot to put one of the shims in and of course it scrapped the piece. After that I made my own set of these. Learn as you go!
My computer is hacked
i would have taped that sht on lmao
@@vincentwalker2081can you un hack your computer
Hey, I know you from Grim Reapers comments!
Machining is about being the right kind of lazy :), taking the time to make it as easy for you as possible and you will end up making parts better and faster in the long run.
Monday CEE - It's like having TWO Fridays in one week! Great work, Kurtis.
I have a Bison 3 jaw in my little Atlas lathe, really nice chuck but didn’t come with outside jaws (it was on the machine when I bought it). I emailed Bison and they provided me material to figure out which jaws I’d need since my chuck is old and not listed in even their internal documentation. They asked an old timer and he knew which ones they were. Really great company.
It's such an obvious quality-of-life improvement that I can't believe chucks don't come like this from the factory...
That look of exasperation and dispair in the out takes was priceless😂👍👍👍
Did you know that none of the filmed segments are sped up. That's just how fast Curtis works 😁
this comment is approved as truth, this reply was written by Homeless 🐾
Note to staff... keep Curtis away from the Red Bull dispenser.🤣
He was lucky not to break the tap going that fast. 😎😉😉😉
its magic
I like how the first one takes ages, but as he learns it gets quicker and quicker /s :D . ps, *Kurtis*
A quick tip when installing jaws on a scroll chuck, turn the scroll just past the slot for the jaw, put the jaw in the slot and back the scroll up until the jaw falls down. This trick ensures the jaws are in place, and not hanging on a burr or similar.
good tip thanks for sharing!
OMG - I had to do a double take at my screen and calendar - LOL - WOOHOO - It has been a bad day at work and THIS video just put me back at ease!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!
You are so welcome! Hope the rest of your week is better 👍
I hope you didn’t feel pressured to put out more videos! I have always enjoyed your Friday video early morning with a coffee! That being said, I was pleasantly happy seeing this released and will watch anything you guys put out!
This isn't Friday?!
Please don't feel pressure, like I said before, the world of RUclips will ALWAYS ask for more and consume you until your life is all stress. One video a week is the money spot and plenty enough a burden for you good folk. Don't do more content. In general a RUclips audience has no skin in the game and although pretend to care about the welfare of the person, there is no connection other than basically clicking and texting. You guys are beauty where you are!
It is amazing how the material when you drill it go from the hardened areas to the softened steel of the jar truly does make a huge difference like everything he does when you use your head and you think about it rationally it’s actually quite easy thanks Kurtis
I love the brass pieces hitting the floor, 5 camera angles on just that shot. Karen is beyond editing prowess. Thank you both. Jim, Portland, Oregon USA
It was 🎼 MuSiCaL 🎶
An alternative holding arrangement for soft jaws is to design them as a U shape and on one of the legs bore a hole and epoxy a thin neodymium magnet to hold it on the chuck jaw. If the magnet is close to the thickness of the brass , chips that stick to the magnet can easily be wiped off.
Two videos in one week 😮 what amazing new year content is this !! 🎉❤ Please tell us more about your drift car 🥰
All about the drift car in our recent Q&A
Everybody, watch this Q&A. There are BRILLIANT photos in there! 😎
ah yes, nothing is as exciting as seeing a new upload from CEE
cheers mate thanks for watching the channel!
Denmah on CEE?! My worlds have collided.
Frosting on the cake! Karin is sure you put up this video for her as she missed the first viewing of the flame spray video. It gave me a chance to serve her a green apple martini on Monday evening. She was very happy and so was I. I liked watching the carbide end mills digging right through that hard surface. Thanks much for the video. We appreciate every one of them.
Hi Karin & Bruce, sounds like the perfect way to watch the video. Hope you enjoy the rest of your week 😁
That's a great idea. And if you cannot use the bolts for some reason [maybe you're butting the work up against the jaws], then the old method can still be used, because there are just screw holes, no protrusions.
Thanks for being an inspiration to many of us. Love the videos. Please never stop!
Bonus content from CEE…it just doesn’t get any better!!! Kurtis and Karen, top notch as always! Also I like seeing things Kurtis does for the shop to do jobs properly and make him more efficient. The guy is just a master at his craft and then you’ve got Karen “Spielberg” putting out masterpieces in her own right!! I’d watch a video a day even on the most trivial thing, just because it’s CEE!! 🤷🏻
I have to pause it now to show the last minute to the misses. She gets a kick out of it as we all do. Let's go another year 🤙🇦🇺
Always amazed me to see how many different types of tools you have. Seems like every video you pull out some new manner of tool from who knows where! Myself and I'm sure many others are a little jealous at the amazing workshop you've built up over the years!!
I like to see your videos, I can get a lot of things from your videos, I'm enthusiastic
I'm from Indonesia 🇮🇩 🇮🇩
You Mill sounds a lot smoother after your rebuild well worth it I thought the jaws would be harder
I'd be lost without my automatic center punch. Best thing I've bought, except for maybe a stepped drill bit 😁👍
I'm Peter from Holland (the netherlands
It seems to me that youre wife hes to do a lot of EDITING with you .
Sofar I've seen al your videos and still love ever one of them..looking forward to the next one
The gags you both made at the end of the video are pretty! You looks like to got a real and honest relation, the way Karen help Kurtis to find the right way to explain is literally a love demonstration!
Happy Father's Day Homeless Dad Excellent Family member..
Gotta love it when one of your favourite chaanels drops a bonus video, top job and it'll definitely make your life easier than using loose shims all the time.
You can actually see the hardened layer transition, just as you send in the centre drill.
I am from Basra, Iraq - I look forward to see your videos every week on Friday. To enjoy your skills and Karen. Thank you all
i genuinely believe Kurtis spends more time redoing shots then actual engineering
...or does he do the "out takes" pretending that is how hard it is....?
Just shows you how fast an expert can get the job done !👍
@@markneedham8726
"then actual engineering"
than
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?!
Wow, I did the same on a Colchester 4 jaw. It was in the high 40's Rc beneath the shell. I had to use a 3/8 4 flute carbide to depth and then press a soft plug in. What a PITA.
+100 for excellent camera and editing work!
Thank you very much!
Love how you say "Only a 630mm chuck" - you could swing my entire lathe in that chuck.
Sweet bonus video! and right at my lunch break as well good times! so I am really curious to know if you can tell the difference in the milling machine now that you have done that massive maintenance job from a few videos back? It seems with so many of the bearings pretty much shot seems like it would be much nicer now.
the bearings were not shot. the noise comes from the straight cut gears in the head when he shifts to low it goes through the gears. high just goes straight through so quieter.
in the video at the end he found the noise was the same before and after.
@@ronblack7870 Yet he still replaced a bunch of bearings that he said it needed so Alan did ask a valid question.
It seems like it is a tad quieter now
Although not a machinist myself, I do appreciate your videos. Not only, I should say, because of your obvious skill and approach to the jobs, but also to a very high degree on account of the camerawoman's uncommonly fine work, making yours both interesting and educating to the likes of myself. Thank you very much.
a quick project, an hour out of your day for who knows how many hours and patience-points saved from Every Job that needs softjaws, thank you for taking the extra time to get this on camera. your straightforward and up-front explanations of the process and reasons-behind the process make for possibly the most informative "Not meant as tutorial" videos around.
Whoah there. There I was having a safety snooze 8pm Monday evening and I woke up to a notification from C.E. My mind thought 'faaaaak it's Friday morning'. Damn near gave me palpitations. Regards from Scotland.
Wow what did we do to deserve a Monday video?! Thanks for making my day!🎉
Hope you enjoyed it!
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering ABSOLUTELY!! Thanks from Florida, USA.
Second that comment, Ohio (USA)
I really find it amazing that you have a workshop, you do all this work, but you still manage to be so "grounded" and approachable, funny and likable.
Both of you.
I've never met a mechanic or any "handyman" in my life that hasn't been super annoyed or seemingly fed up with life in general.
Love this channel so much.
Thanks.
Your method of finding center of the work area is better than mine. I mean, all I have is my son's wooden ruler from school, that has half the marks worn off of it.
Your's has marks ? 🙄😏😉😁
@@markschweter6371 Barely. 😄
The mill sounds great after the service you did last year. BTW I loved that video.
Your skillsets amaze me! Great Video. P.S. Being known as a guy that can fix damn near anything, when it comes to machining, I know next to zero. I have learned quite a bit from watching you work. Thanks. Bill from Linglestown Pennsylvania
Love that idea!
I bought all three model 91 Starrett tap wrenches because they are the best!
I love to see tool hacks
Had a really rough day at work today, totally changed my night! Love you guys! Thank you again!
Nice project you'll definitely use.
Short n' sweet,good camera work,well explained.
Always like to see Homie,he's the "top dog" at CEE.
Stay safe and well.
Kudos for the video editing of the drill and tap! That not only was the perfect balance of showing the process and saving time but also perfectly seamless. 👍
Thanks for the "Extra"....
It was amazing to see the Cutting tool go past the hardened steel.
Watching you set up pads for your jaws makes me want to set up a set for my own lathes. Always a pleasure to watch you work!
You should! 😁👍
Your videos teach us something every time . Keep producing instructional videos . Not all of your viewers know the information you share . Great video .
Thanks, will do!
Karen, I love your editing. The way you compress a repetitive multistep task like the drilling of the holes and bending of the brass. Also do you do captions as well? Cause the outtakes captions were hilarious!
Bonus video! Sweet! You did cause me to check the calendar in doubt, but I'll forgive you ...
By the way: I had subtitles still on from watching Idon'tknowwhat - I don't need them for you. Still ... "Homey [breathing]" had me up in stitches!
😁
Loved seeing the Starrett tap wrench at work. Still the best made tap wrenches on the market!
Agreed!
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering Speaking of wrenches you should make a short wrench/adapter for your cordless drill-one side with square profile and on other side 6 points. That way you can wind up or switch those jaws faster ! You still tighten them with good old key but cordless drill is just pure awesomeness when it comes to winding jaws ! Think about it . . .
Was not expecting this video on a monday but damn thank you it was a surprise. Wish we had more but know how it is busy and all. Nice chuck smart shopper. Great ideas with the brass.
FAAAAAAAANNNNCYYY! Split screen. The production team is really stepping up their efforts. Some of the best shot and edited "Amateur" content on RUclips.
the joy when this notification popped up on a Monday night! 🙈 love it! keep er lit Curtis and crew! 💪
That beautiful mashup at 9:21 is how every machinist feels on a really good morning, full of energy, coffee in hand when you walk up to a job ready to rock and roll. That's EXACTLY how fast and smoothly the vision in your head is. 3 HOURS LATER when you have not yet accomplished what took 15 seconds in your head is when the words sailors hesitate to use start flowing and that is when you know it isn't going to be a magical day after all.
That was a pleasant surprise. Very interesting. And outtakes hilarious as usual. Was just about to go out and rip the heads of my car. Your vid definitely helped me get motivated it's a good thing I don't have to use my brain as much as you. Cheers
Thank you for the bonus video Karen! Look forward and enjoy all your videos.
I'm not a machinist nor a fabricator, just interested in equipment and what goes into them, and of course cute adorable " HOMIE"
KEEP THEM COMING! greetings from the banana country, OHIO ( USA).... HAVE A SAFE, HEALTHY AND GREAT WEEK!
" Job in-between Jobs "
Done well and absolutely necessary
Well done . Informative 👍👍👍. Thank you for sharing. Be safe🇨🇦
An End mill in a Drill chuck thats So Taboo you rebel lol . i just did the jaws on my new chuck before Christmas. Sure makes setups a treat
Bonus video week!!🤙🏽 was looking forward to this one. Outstanding as always. Thank you
Kurtis, this is a good solution for quality work. 👍 I don't have a lathe, however I will follow your lead at the first opportunity 👍👍👍🤘🙂
Karen, you are a great operator, excellent presentation of material, we always watch with interest. Thank you!!!👍👍👍🌷🌷🌷
stellar camera and editing work. jaw #3 time lapse was a masterpiece. well done to the both of you. so glad to be along for the ride watching this channel evolve.
Thanks so much!
This is the best soft jaw solution yet. Thanks
It'd also double as a way to bolt a massive washer on to hold the jaws in the loaded position for grinding
Hey a new video. That was unexpected. It sure beats watching the dryer go round at the laundromat. 😂😂
I can only admire Kurtis's courage/confidence in starting an M5 tap into what is still probably fairly tough steel using the rotational inertia of the milling machine spindle. I sometimes do that with unimportant work pieces but would balk at doing that with the chuck jaws. I enjoy your work. Karen's videos are excellent and Homeless and the wildlife are a heartwarming touch . Cheers.
It would scare the bell out of me to do that. I was picturing the tap snapping off from the sudden shock.
@@melgross It's helps that it is a spiral fluted tap, which clears its own continuous chips if everything is going right. The other saving is that if you tighten the chuck just the right amount, the tap will slip in the chuck rather than break, provided that the tapping gods are on your side that day. I guess it comes down to being confident about the jaw material based on the way it drilled and being confident that the tap would then do what it is supposed to do, but it still made me winch when I watched it. Cheers
@@rockwell6594 it certainly didn’t look like it slipped. And that’s always a ticklish adjustment. He would pretty much have to use a spiral tap to get to the bottom unless he was willing to drill deeper and crunch the shards at the bottom with a spiral tooth tap.
Never had a spiral tap, loved its chip!
Another great video! I greatly appreciate that you both took the time to record and edit a video of a relatively simple job. Thank you both for the extra work.
One quick question: do the brass shims you're semi-permanently mounting to the hard jaws affect the part running concentrically? To my mind it seems like it might induce an unintentional offset.
All 3 shims are 2mm thick, so they have no affect to concentricity of the part.
A beautiful and pleasant surprise, a video of the CEE, on a Monday. I liked it too much.
Well that's interesting. It never occurred to me that chuck jaws were not hard all the way through, but it makes sense thinking about it. I am surprised that you were able to drill into the jaws with an end mill, but I went back and had a closer look @4:06 and could see that your end mill had cutting face and clearance all the way to the centre. I'll check later, but I think my carbide end mills have a recess at the centre and definitely won't drill straight in. I do have 6mm carbide slot drills though. I was also worried that you used a tapping size end mill as the tap would still have to cut through the hard outer 2mm, but that was a fancy looking tap. Was it also carbide? I'd be worried about breaking a carbide tap if they exist.
I am going to look at doing the same mod to our lathe, but using the 6mm slot drill so the tap only has to cut the softer inner material. So thanks for another super useful tip. I am 73 and long since retired, but I still love learning new things.
The end mill was larger than the screw hole (5mm end mill, then a 4.5mm drill & tap) so neither the drill or tap had to cut into the hardened top layer...
After he finished cutting the very first hole, Karen took a close up of the hole and you can see the shoulder where the end mill stopped cutting and the smaller threaded hole starts...
The end mill size cleared the outer tap diameter. Also he is using what is known as center cutting end mill.
The slot drill was 5mm, the drill was 4.2, the tap was M5, so it wouldn't need to cut the hardened layer because the slot drill had removed it. You should be fine with a centre-cutting 5mm carbide cutter.
Karen and Kurtis you screwed my week, now I have to rearrange my calendar and switch Monday with Friday! Thanks Alot..... 😀 😃 🙂 🙃
Great Channel full of tips very well done.
And entertainment 😂
that mill sounds great after replacing the bearing! 👍👍👊👊
I'm sure you've covered this before, and anyone that has changed jaws on a scroll chuck should know this, but you didn't mention that they are marked and have to be put back in the right place. Might save a "first timer" some frustration. 😁
And you can definitely see where the end mill gets through the hard layer! From essentially powder to stringy swarf. 😁
hey mate thanks for mentioning that here, I did mumble it to Karen but wasn't worthy enough for the video 😅
Thanks for this comment, I was wondering if there was something like this to avoid a painful process to get the jaws all aligned
Homey! You big beautiful dog you! Who else loves homey? ☺️
We love Homey! 🐾🥰
@@CuttingEdgeEngineering 10:48 Homey nearly has as many toys as Kurtis ☺️
Monday vid!?! Also, is there a reason you don't have your overhead crane reach over to your welding area? I notice you frequently moving pieces between the lathe-fork lift-welding and back. Seems like that would save time if the crane reached over there.
Probably crane is at end of limits, likely original use of the shop had the crane only in use in part, and a dividing wall to the other side. Now the shop is larger the crane is still limited, so the forklift and mobile crane get a lot of use in place of it.
Great engineering skills as well as fantastic cinematographic taste. Bravo to both of you.
Jak miło. Miłej pracy życzę. 👍👍🔧🔧
Widzę, że nie tylko ja oglądam, pozdrawiam ;-)
@@macmac19800 tak oczywiście. Fajny kanał 👍
Every month or so I can't help but be reminded of that famous Crocodile Dundee scene. "That's not a chuck, this is a chuck!"
Approximately year ago installed Bison (made in Poland) 400mm free jaw chuck on my 1953 lathe. I highly recommend Bison chucks. Thanks for showing how to drill&tap hard jaws! I must get courage and do the same with my Bison.
BONUS vid thanks, might be the only machinist out there that does this or ones i have watched, THANKS !
Thanks a lot for this unexpected joy to see and hear from you again. Highly appreciated. Have a wonderful week. ❤🐶😊😊
Quality workmanship comes by using high quality tools no wonder CEE is known all over Australia 👍
It’s like Christmas. Thanks for posting. Steve
Tis a good day when we have been blessed with bonus CEE content.
Best part of this hack is now you can make up a ring to capture inside the bolts in the jaws that will allow you to load up the jaws to re-grind them for better work holding once the jaws have become worn.
you two, and the pup, make up for so much bad in the world, glad to see you both being productive.
Lunchtime watching CCE, PERFECT!
. . . I actually checked the calendar to verify I haven't somehow slept through an entire week. >.<
Very nice work as always!
What a treat for Monday !!!!
love that cheeky little trick for starting the tap.
Very nice little tip there Kurtis . Saves all the fiddle messing about trying to hold them in place 👍👍👍👍
For the lathe, mill, etc., I like the split screen view where both the cutter and the operator’s controls are shown at the same time.
Thanks for great information 👍really had been scratching our collective knoggens trying figure how in this world you were able to drill and tap hardened steel, brilliant idea 💡 👏 👍
I've got a case of the creeping crud so I hadn't turned on my computer today. Just a bit ago I saw, on my phone, that CEE had put up a video. A pleasant surprise before taking some medicine and going back into a stupor.
Thanks for the lift,
jack
Homey on a Monday….
Happy New Year to our 3 favourite Australians
Ian & Jennifer xx
🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
I stumbled upon your channel and have not been disappointed. As someone who owns a landscaping business, I make a lot of my own repairs. I have already learned a thing or two from you.
The Chinese chuck is a good option ,especially when some jobs set up aren't concentric and cast cause damage to the scroll. I set up a lot of jobs in the 4 jaw to prevent damage & easy of set up. Quality chuck like Pratt & Bernard etc 4 times the price. Nice soft jaws.