The BIG Problem With Remakes And Remasters...
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- Опубликовано: 18 мар 2024
- People just can't seem to tell the difference between both and they're also insecure about how much they should cost. Also, I deleted my top 10 about remakes. Here's why.
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Just like Sony recently called The Last Of Us Part 2 « remastered » even though it’s just a Director’s Cut.
I think the reason developers keep putting random other words in the titles instead of "remake" is because they want their games to stand out.
I usually classify games of this kind in two categories:
1-Remake. A remake is, as the name implies, a game remade from the ground up. It can have brand new gameplay and new content, but it usually follows tge same basic plot as the original with maybe slight divergences to keep it fresh for fans of the previous incarnation. (See Star Ocean 2 R)
2- Remaster and Enhanced Remaster. It's like a port, but with higher resolution and fixed bugs. Sometimes there will be retranslations or redubs, but overall a remaster is just a port on a more recent console. Where this gets interesting is when they add new content and quality of life updates to a remaster. Nothing that could qualify the game as a remake, but enough to say it's not the exact same game, that's what makes an enhanced remaster. That's the one that confuses too many people. (See Ys VIII for PS5 as a remaster and SaGa Frontier Remastered for an enhanced remaster)
Admittedly I could have separated remaster and enhanced remaster, but you get the idea.
However there are still games (mostly from Japanese studios) that dont conform to those expectations. You mentioned theme yourself, Remasters that also do new content. Thiese types of remasters (mainly from Japanese studios) as they want to make a better package but they also want to implement ideas that were scrapped in the original game OR want to link the series better (Xenoblade Remasters come to mind with the Future Connected extra stuff). These also feel like the old expansions in some way.
Lastly there are the games that are both & something more as well. FF7 Remake comes to mind, as it is also a sequel of sorts. This type of game is the most interesting of all, because it compliments the original, especially in the story department.
Just want you to know that you can talk about any games in any way and I’ll still love you videos. I really like to have you playing in the background on my iPad while I do dishes and things like that. Please don’t feel pressured to make any particular content. Create what you love - I’ll always watch!
Live a live Remake need more recognition!
What you said at the end was exactly my thoughts going through the video. The confusion seems to go unaddressed because all it did was generate extra revenue for games people assumed were remade in full vs. re-touched/remasters that might end up being a bit of a downgrade in some cases if they weren't ambitious enough. Hell, I've seen comments from people in the past that thought a mere port to a more powerful console would somehow result in better A.I. for the game's enemies. When people don't know much, there's a LOT they can be unclear on.
Let's call them remaksters
At what point does a game design company become a software design company
Congrats on 100k! Well earned!
This is why I ALWAYS re-play the original game before playing the "remastered/supposedly remake". I always did it to see wut the differences were
That sounds like a lot of work 😂
Honestly, I couldn’t care less. I either like the game or I don’t 🤷🏽♂️
Erick is saying in the nicest way possible that most people in the comments are morons and game companies cause a lot of confusion based on labeling.
Reading the comments on this video... he's right! 😬
To be fair normal people don't have lots of time for research the just see oh Mario RPG I love that game and buy.
He wouldn’t know that though since he doesn’t read them
@@AstraProc Do you know why he doesn't read the comments?
I don't think you should have removed it. I, for one, would have never added Live-A-Live in my wishlist if it wasn't for that video. Stick to your definition and let the crowd educate themselves and have their own opinions. Worst case scenario, you can do an updated version in the future by removing Replicant or Xenoblade and just leave the purely remade ones. And you are right, there are NOT many remakes.
I say the same. He should stick to his own definitions, as well on what he considers to be RPGs, which is another beast of a topic, and just let people give whatever opinions they have in the comments, maybe change his mind by reading them or disagree completely and move on.
I'm surprised he removed it. I loved that video.
As a long time Atelier fan “What else is there? Atelier Marie? I didn’t play that!” made me guffaw. Because I wish I hadn’t bought it.
for what its worth, i enjoyed your video eric.
The Crisis Core remaster was amazing. I was so glad it came to Xbox.
Trying to categorize things as Remake or Remaster just doesn't really work anymore. Xenoblade DE isn't a Remake cause it isn't 100% new, but so many things are completely remade, buncha people argue Final Fantasy 7 Remake is a "Reimagining" and not a remake since it's so different. I get your frustration but this whole thing is semantics, there isn't really a 100% agreed apon definition of these terms because at the end of the day they are really just marketing terms.
A remaster usually just means cleaning up or enhancing a base experience.
A remake is taking core principles or basic plot and building a new experience from there.
For example, if you were to buy The Crow (1994) on 4K Blu-ray, it's upgrading the visuals and soundtrack.
The (probably) crap 2024 film is a remake.
Tell you what dude, I'd take a Suikoden V remake or remaster without complaint, hell just port it in SD and i'll probably buy it.
We need new games not remakes and remasters it’s been like this Xbox 360/PS3/Wii generation and onwards all it is remake and remasters now
Games in which it is really difficult to know what it is:
Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shiny Pearl.
Despite being made in Unity with new assets, the code is mostly the same in the back end running on a new engine.
Hi Eric, where is final fantasy 12? (All joking aside, I watched that video. But I enjoy your content just to hear your thoughts in games, not really do make sure you say what I want you to say). So about that final fantasy 7 remake remaster…?
A remake is a game that was previously released often decades ago being completely remade using the original as its template. A remaster is a game that is often more modern but needs some polish to bring it up to current standards. This polish often includes higher resolutions, frame rate adjustments, bug fixes, and texture corrections among other updates.
Devs can’t be trusted to determine the difference anyway. Marketing calls blatant remasters “remakes” all the time. Ever since the PS3/360 era.
Also, Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition is obviously a remaster. I don’t know what “lots of added content” you’re talking about but it is a a heck of a lot less than Kingdom Hearts Final Mix which was neither. ACTUAL gray areas would be games like Odin Sphere Leifthrasir and the Mario RPG “remake” where the visuals are redone from the ground up but everything else is clearly still the same game but with a bit of added content or quality of life improvements.
All that said, this is all really just semantics because there has never ever been an official standard. The only way to do a list like this is by giving a definition at the beginning that would be used as the standard for only the specific list and staying consistent with it.
Also, it helps to add a 3rd level that is just enhanced re-release with added content and fixs but not visual improvements taking advantage of more powerful hardware. Sometimes even releasing on the same non-PC platforms as the original. (ala Final Mix, various “International Editions” and Personal 5 Royal)
All the GBA ports with exclusive content would likely fall into this category as well. Then the gray area would be delayed PC ports that were clearly designed the same as they would be if they were simultaneous multi-platform releases alongside the console versions.
I love how blud FAILED to explain the topic of his video and then deleted it and blamed the viewers.
The "Attack the viewer" arc is even better than the "Shadow Ban" arc.
I wish he would read the comments. This stuff is why I watch, authentic rants, not giving a shit. Rrrrrrrrr! 😍
Honestly Erick, i think you should do 3 types of videos: 1 for the Remakes and 2 for the Remasters (1 less detailed and 1 more detailed, summarizing/explaining the extra content).
I also think that top 10 is too low, 15-20 entries is more appropriate.
You killed me with the way you said Final Fantasy 7 Re-MAAAAKEEE
I disagree with you on Star Ocean R, I think it is more of a remaster than a remake. Yes they updated the graphics with the cut scenes and the like, but the battle system is just about the same from the PS2 era. This game does not deserve the title of remake.
What’s the difference between a remake and a rebirth please someone tell me
Important diffenrence. I would love to have remastered versions of BOF III and Alundra
And of course, a decent background remaster of the FF series, and my long-awaited FFIX remake.
Ys I-II: Remaster
Ys III: Remake
Ys IV: Reimagined
Ys V: Rest in Peace
Companies need to start remastering games more. There are too many remakes now.
Do you think replicant is a remaster? They changed the combat and remade the assets for most everything didn't they?
I take it as an awesome remaster, let's call it a remaster++. By comparison, Resident Evil 2 is a remake, Final Fantasy VII Remake is a remake.
A remake would recreate the game from scrath. Probably on a modern software engine such as the latest Unreal Engine or something like that.
Considering I paid like $80 for Chrono Trigger on the snes in 1996 I think we are spoiled with cheap games
yes, the cost of games then is equivalent to $130+ today.
there is no standard for what constitutes a remake or a remaster in gaming. remaster is a term that came from the music industry, and before people started using it for games all we had were "remakes"
Nintendo is horrible for that. Look at the wii u ports they were released for the switch for full price when you could get the Wii u version for $20
Um, I played “Trials of Mana”, “Front Mission”, AND “LiveALive”!!! I trust your recommendations Erick!!! (Especially b/c you were the only other person I found way back when who also loved “Eternal Poison”!)
Damn the game developers that remaking they game should clarify that remake was not about only remaking the old game graphics to modern game graphics and add more story and gaming mechanic content but should be said they redoing the story and gameplay mechanic that so different from original game but only retain the original characters cast but no they only lie, bait and switch so they can still have the Og fans to buy they game which make og fans only get disappointed or devastated the game they expected was not what they remember from they childhood 😶
For me:
Remaster= Same story, higher res, same menus, same gameplay, slight quality of life changes
Remake= Same world, unique story, all new models and world from ground up, different gameplay with some elements from old game retained
Spiritual succesor= New assets trying to make a new game and world with the same gameplay elements of an older title
Reboot= Same world and characters but a change in almost everything to capture new fanbase
All those prequels, sequels and requels!
Good thing I got a chance to see the video before it was taken down.
Love me some Front Mission. Need to get back to playing that one and FINALLY finish it.
0:17 what game is that?
Live a live
This video made me laugh my ass off so much in a good way till the end 🤣
For me, remasters should cost $30-$40 max and remakes $60-$70 max.
I still think 60 & 70 is too much so I'll wait for sales.
Square Enix thinks that one remake should be split into 3 games sold for $80 each.
While I do enjoy the final fantasy 7 remake the problem I have with them is the bloat. There is so much b******* in the game that they had to put in to pad the time I just lose interest
All I know is that a FF Rebirth doesn't look too terribly good.
A remaster is pretty much just a makeover done to the original game. Basically it's what you would expect from a modder such as improve textures, lighting and shaders, performance, aspect ratio, fix bugs, add QoL features, retranslate, even add new artifacts (why not?).
When it comes to remakes, although some are made to be a whole new re-imagining of the original game like Final Fantasy 7 Remake, Trials of Mana etc..., others just want to still be a 1:1 experience of the original such as Mario RPG and Link's Awakening. If you played the new Mario RPG you essentially played the original. If you play FF7 Remake you still did not play the original, and as a matter of fact you shouldn't play it before the original.
Xenoblade Chronicles Definitive Edition is most definitely a remake. It was ported to a newer engine where even the physics changed, although it's still 1:1 faithful to the original. Dragon Quest XI S was also made in a different engine to be able to have it run on the switch. DQ8 for 3DS, although it's a remake, we just call it the 3DS version, and the so-and-so version for similar cases.
I think the confusion comes for people when games are remade to accomplish the same goal as a remaster, like Xenoblade DE, Daggerfall Unity, and even decompilation projects like Ship of Harkinian, because to someone who just wants a good way to play the original game, what difference does it make?
They used to make real remakes like pokemon remakes until oras
And now all they do is remasters and call them remakes like bdsp
I watched the deleted video and liked it, just fyi 🤗
It's a really, really simple concept. But I guess I'm something of a dev, so idk
Unfortunately only those who grow up with JRPGs will appreciate the old school JRPGs now a days younger generation of gamers are uninterested once you mention turn based gameplay or the game doesn’t have multiplayer functionality and the problem I have with remake and remasters is that they changed it to cater to the this younger generation while taking out the original experience for the older gamers one example is changing the game speed to speed up battles etc
@@winghong3 many remasters now a days have super speed mode that allows speeding up the combat or nerf the difficulty of the original like the dot hack GU collection or smt 3 etc
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Just explain the terms at the start of the video lol. And that they are vague
I would argue that Final Fantasy XII Zodiac Age is a remake due to the job system. Why do you feel otherwise?
FF7 is Remade. FF8, FF10 & FF12 are Remastered. Star Ocean 1st is Remastered. Star Ocean 2nd is Remade.
Remake: New Game with the same Story.
Remaster: Same Game with upscale graphic.
It's really that simple.
Rrrrreeeemake 🎉🎉
Remaster-Same product, with a new coat of paint, maybe upscaled resolution.
Remake-Same story, completely redone visuals and audio and gameplay mechanics.
Reboot-Starts from the beginning, takes the story in a radically different direction.
FFVII R is a reboot. Yes it’s also a sequel, but that doesn’t change the fact that it is a JJ Abrams Trek style Reboot. And screw FFVII R. It’s trash, and I’m tired of people pretending it’s not.
So I'm actually a game dev, and I can tell you that Remake and Remaster are pretty much made up marketing terms from an actual implementation level.
In music, where the terms Remake and Remaster come from, those words have actual technical meaning. A Remake is a full rerecording from ground up and a Remaster uses the original recordings but rebalances levels or refines the track mix.
In games, that might be analogous to a Remake creating all new assets and reimplementing the engine, with a Remaster basically just being an upscaled port.
But even then, the line is very blurry. A title like FF7R is a completely new game that has all original gameplay and narrative design on top of new assets and a new engine. Nier Replicant has heavily modified combat and a new additional ending, but the rest of the game's script is nearly identical to the original. Super Mario RPG (2023) is 95% the original gameplay and narrative design, just reimplemented with new assets and a few QOL changes.
In terms of developer work, those three vary *wildly* . FF7R is a new AAA game and deserves to be priced as such. Nier Replicant localized a previously inaccessible version of the original and did have major design reworks, but also was way easier to work on than a new game where the story/structure is made from scratch. And Super Mario RPG required almost zero narrative or design work compared to an original game, making it vastly easier to produce.
Personally, I just think that these things need to be taken on a game-by-game basis. There's no easy categorization possible because each remake is too different in terms of scope and difficulty of production. But that's just my 2c.
Its not hard to tell the difference to qnyone that bothers to just use their brains. Glad u call it wat it is as ignorance lol. But that ain't on u man thats just the level of stupidity the world accepts on a daily basis.
Also the whole ff7 rebirth. Saying final fantay seven remake rebirth/ part two is too much to say and just calling it ff7 rebirth is much easier and if that somehow confuses ppl maybe they should go retake 2nd grade critical thinking classes 😂
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Agree, there are a lot of remasters now a days, and if we believe the rumors, Square is cooking a remaster of Final Fantasy 9 as we speak xD.
Love Front Mission, finished the first story for the remake and really enjoyed it. I still have my copy for the DS and I actually sat down to finally play it and they announced the remake so I played that instead 😅. I bought Live A Live and still haven't played it. I collect so it gets hard to keep up with everything since I'll pick things up to add to my collection but still be working on another game that's 100 hrs long. This hobby seems silly sometimes. I could stop buying games for a couple years and still have shit to finish but how can I say no to any SNES or PS1 remake?!
Remasters should just be a better looking version of the og game but adding some touch ups like Mario rpg was definitely the best way to about it. Paper Mario ttyd I expect the same thing hopefully.
Remakes might as well just be called bait and switch as they aren't usually in any way the same thing as the og game like ff 7 where it was that in spades.
Games I want to see remastered are tales of the abyss and older tales games that can be played on switch.
Super Mario RPG was remade from scratch with tons of new content... it's not a remaster.
@@aninymouse1651 same system it's a remaster. Thanks for proving my point
Guess ff7 remaster is also a remake like the ff7 remake one for one. Get over yourself and don't make it easy to disprove your point
Goodbye
its remake, even though it has the same battle system@@ivanbluecool
@@ivanbluecoolYou have no idea what you're talking about lol. SMRPG goes from using sprites to being completely in 3D, FFVII Remaster barely does anything to touch up the visuals.
And I would argue SMRPG shouldn't be $60 simply because there's not enough content to justify it. But it absolutely is a remake full stop, no questions asked.
The only games that are truly debatable are the likes of Xenoblade Chronicles and Metroid Prime. Because they are pretty serious improvements graphically over the originals.
But they're still just remasters because they haven't changed mediums or graphical styles at all. They just put real effort into touching up the exact original games.
FFVII Remake is debatable to even call a remake because its not even trying to play like the original games.
I'd argue it's the other way around with remakes. Most of the time they are faithful to the original game's story and just enhance the gameplay rather than completely changing it, like SO2 and P3R, but FFVIIR was an exception.
...isn't a lot of this problem on your end because the terms don't actually have a consistent definition as they are mainly used for marketing...
If I want to be pedantic, going by actual definitions, all remasters are remakes, however, all remakes are not remasters. The actual term for what Star Ocean and Final Fantasy are is a reimagining.
Its safe to say something like Final Fantasy 7 is a reimagining as everything has changed, and likewise something that just updates the graphics is a remaster... but often this isn't how things are done. Often new features are added in addition to improved graphics. Likewise, code may be adjusted. As a result, a the original gameplay may not actually exist and the game ultimately plays differently. At a certain point we run into an issue akin to the Ship of Theseus if one thinks about it.
Lets look at the 'remaster' that is Final Fantasy 1.
Graphics? Those are 100% different.
Script? That's been changed.
Battle system? Auto-targeting alone completely changes the challenge level, need for thought, risk management, and so on. Then there are the spell fixes and whatnot...
Code? LOTS of updates there.
So how is Final Fantasy 1 a remaster? Its not really the same game. Its just true to the original.
We ultimately run into an issue akin to the Ship of Theseus when analyzing it.
Regularly remasters/remakes have various adjustments. Sometimes its something visual we can see. Sometimes its extra features. Other times its code we can't see. Then at times its adjustments to the story.
Personally, I don't consider the PS1 version and above to be the same version as the SNES version of Final Fantasy 6 because of how different the gameplay challenge is, with the PS1 version and above actually having less difficulty despite the claim of devs. (Who also admit to fixing evasion bugs in the same statements.)
Thank you. That's like saying Ys I&II Chronicles are just remasters too since the core gameplay is the same.
My biggest issue with rebirth is nanaki's voice. Completly ruined the game
If you can compare screenshots to show how much better the new one looks, it's a remaster. Remaster = much less effort than a remake. Adding polish = remaster. Painting your house is a remaster; tearing down walls to make some rooms bigger = a remake. Part of the confusion comes from the fact that producers will often add new chapters, new characters, etc. to what is otherwise clearly just a remaster.
At least it’s not as bad as Aspyr or rockstar porting old games with little to no polish and just cashing in on nostalgia
The only time I accept that is with things like kingdoms of amalur. Because the fact that anyone picked up that IP and put it out again, was a miracle. I pray that THQ does a sequel it deserves it.
While the remastered part wasn't great but they did do an entire new expansion, so I will take it
@@jonathansoko1085 that’s fair. Ports in and of themselves aren’t the issue, it’s the ones like the battlefront games or gta trilogy that aren’t optimized and are so broken at release yet sold for ridiculous prices. Rockstar is worse in that sense since they took down the steam versions and mod support for that game. Say what you will about Rebirth but after playing it I have no doubt it was made as a labor of love and not just to make a quick buck.
The tomb raider 1-3 remaster is pretty much perfect imo. Can switch between old graphics and new with click of a button and even a new optional control scheme.
@@Terron29 I do agree the tomb raider remasters are incredible and the best modern one I've played
Aspire did an incredible job with tomb raider
Nier version 1.22 is definitely a remake.
Arrrriba arriba rrrremake 😂
Honestly - who cares?
These definitions mean very little. People have to play the game and see for themselves.
Honestly, people are already OK with the definition of "buying" being ascribed to a process of renting a temporary license enabling access to a given content.
So, yeah, "remake" vs "remaster" seems like a petty rant if anything.
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see, the definition words matter. one can go around and claim any of those words actually are defined to mean x y z, but they objectively DO NOT mean what i claim they mean. regardless of how hectic and violent the histrionic reactions become.
I think even developers doesnt know , blizzard sell diablo 2 resurrected as a remaster but is an awesome remake
people don't care about/aren't playing Live A Live? why not? :(
I played it. Beat it. Love that game.
Most of the people who care, played or would rather play a translation patch of the SFC version. In most cases, remakes don't give the original experience.
tales of destiny ps2 is still the best remake if you have these standard you won't get lost
FFRemake is neither a remake nor a remaster. It's a sequel. Just throwing that out there.
It's a remake and a sequel...
It's both.
To me ff7 is told in a different prespective from the original if that makes sense
You're right. I feel like it was a mistake for them to use the name Remake. There's so many words starting with Re- that would have made more sense.
@@ian_sear they started with "Remake" to leave some surprise to it. It's also plot significant. Seph's agenda.
lol
FF12 is not even a remake. It's just a re-release. Same thing how FF7 Remake was first a PS4 game later released on PS5.
Hubba bubba
If a game is the same in gameplay and/or narrative it's a remake, otherwise it's just a remaster; or in some cases I add a third option and call it a graphical overhaul, which is still a remaster but it adds specifics on what was done to update it.
For example I'd call Leifthrasir a remake, since you cannot play the original the same way as the update; Trials of Mana would be graphical overhaul remaster, since aside from small qol changes, the game is no different from the original aside from graphics.
Trials of Mana barely plays the same as the original game. It went from being a 2D action RPG to a 3D one, that's a massive shift. All the maps have been completely remade from the ground up.
The story is the same as is structure, but gameplay wise it is significantly different.
SMRPG is closer to the origine game than Trials of Mana because SMRPG did its best to keep the original viewpoint as close to the original as possible despite shifting into 3D, but the original was already an isometric game anyway.
They're both remakes.
Oooookay
Final fantasy 7 rebirth is a remake of final fantasy 7 remake
Umm no
dude, chill, it's easy:
Final Fantasy VII Remake is a remake
Resident Evil 2 Remake is a remake
The Last of Us Part II Remastered is a remaster
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth is a rebirth
Star Ocean: The Second Story R is r
Halo: The Master Chief Collection is a collection
don't know what the fuss is all about.
Rebirth is part 2 of the remake