Hearthstone: Is This Too Powerful?
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024
- Trying out the new interaction with giants and Naga Sea Witch
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Ahhh, the good old days when the most outrageous thing you could do was spend 5 mana to spam down a bunch of 8/8s
I played against a Druid doing this and thought it was kinda cool because I was like well at least it's not Jade Druid, but then after I cleared all his giants he just played Gadgetzan and two Jade Idols and got like 9/9 golems and I wanted to kill myself.
Guys calm down, they're gonna balance patch this in nine months.
NisseOnRUclips who the hell cares about wild lmao
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*Meanwhile at Blizzard's crisis meeting:*
Community Manager: "This new Naga Sea Witch + Giants interaction is an issue!
A lot of people in our community are complaining about it."
Ben Brode: "HAHAHAHAHAH, looks like we got ourselves a GIANT
problem here.... HAHAHAHAHA"
Team 5 Member 1: "But what can we do about it?"
Team 5 Member 2: "Well, we just recently changed the Naga Sea Witch
interaction. If we change that card again people will realize
that we did not see this comming."
Ben Brode: "See which comming?... get it? SEA WITCH!... HAHAHAHA"
Team 5 Member 1: "So what are our other options?"
Team 5 Member 2: "We could introduce a new card that really punishes
big minions."
Team 5 Member 4: "Wait, we already have Big Game Hunter! People just
need to play Big Game Hunter to counter those decks!"
Team 5 Member 1: "But we changed that card as well, remember?"
Team 5 Member 4: "Oh, right..."
Team 5 Member 3: "I think we just need to nerf all the Giants!"
Team 5 Member 4: "Great idea. Those things were limiting our design space
anyways."
Team 5 Member 5: "Hm, that's true. How fast can we do this?"
Team 5 Member 2: "Well, we are currently working on the next 2 expansions,
so we don't really have much time for anything else."
Team 5 Member 1: "Let's get our best man on this and everything should
be done by the end of the month!"
Team 5 Member 3: "I'll call him immediately!"
He leaves the room for a brief phone call. The remaining members start some heated
discussions which are occasionally interrupted by booming _HAHAHAHAHA_ sounds.
After a couple of minutes he returns back to the meeting room.
Team 5 Member 5: " He says that he's currently on a 3 week vacation and
that he won't be able to do anything before that.
But he suggested to. just leave the card as it is and
move it to the Wild format."
Team 5 Member 2: "But wait, isn't Naga Sea Witch in Wild already?"
Team 5 Member 4: "Oh yes, you are totally right!"
Team 5 Member 5: "Fantastic, so there is no need to hurry. We can just wait
and fix this with our next balance patch. As always, it will
be released right before our new expansion anyways."
Team 5 Member 1: "Good point. I mean, who honestly cares about the Wild
format. And remember, it will only be for
a couple of months."
Ben Brode: "And you have to at least admit that this crazy interaction
is amazing! 8/8 Giants on turn 5!... HAHAHAHAHAH"
so they'll nerf tracking instead so no one gets dust >.>
Outrageous! Really good !
Outrageous! You have too much free time
Well, since I can't mentally handle to play Ladder right now I have to find another way to waste my time :P
Outrageous! What a messy copy pasta
It seems like the age of handhunter is coming...
Well Whatever Handlock? Is that a handhunter rip off?
Do you mean Handter?
i feel bad after laughing at that bad pun, shame on you!
I am cursed with knowledge of the future
0:40 i like that making it look like he is looking at himself
Is this too powerful?
Well is it a druid deck? No?
Then no it's fine then
Except he just said the deck is probably better as a druid...
Dalton Goh I’m guessing you haven’t played this against Druid. Turn 3 Naga into a shit ton of 8/8. Absolutely fun
5 mana ultimate infestation is pretty good, no?
its not, when hunter cards have cantrip to get into cards faster
Dalton Goh the one time Trump was right all the Time!!
Dane I have been watching your videos for over a year.
This is by far my most favorite deck you have ever made, damn. You iz a genious!
Keep it going :D
Personally really hate this combo because I can't be bothered crafting four or five more epic cards to play a degenerate combo that most likely will be patched. I also hate it because the combo is good. Yes.
Jylon Grandy It really isn't even that good. Most people just don't know how to play around it. It gets crushed by aggro and midrange decks and Reno Priest.
It's wild only anyway, who gives a fuck
Flame Fusion no. Only aggro (MAYBE) lightbomb doom and twisting nether beat this.
Saintlel
remember dreadsteed that no one give a fuck?
apparentaly blizzard did
or when your boom bots become magma rager
I used to play Naga Sea Witch... This change means a lot!
How NAIVE we were, Dane!
I like that. It feels a lot more like magic.Only complain I have is that it is the first deck to do sick stuff consistently. There should be more of those decks in wild.
Knowing how is blizzard, those decks will die as soon as they come. Also, there have been already sick shit on hearthstone, but nerfs came and left darkness and waste.
Remember the good 'ol unleash the hounds hunter? (unleash the hounds: 1 mana all your beasts gain +1 dmg and charge)
Gomka pretty OP compared to warrior charge even pre-nerf
Yep. It was game-breaking
So the only class that can beat this is
1) Paladin: equality
2) Priest: Lightbomb
3) Freeze Mage: Doomsayer + Frost Nova, can easily be countered by silence.
4) Mill Rougue with vanish but only after a full hand.
Unless you're playing Aggro, you're screwed.
I played this deck in wild. It's pretty good. One dude added me as a friend just to tell me he was reporting me for using a glitch...
Just played against this yesterday. Thought it must have been a bug. Turns out, no, Blizzard is just THAT stupid.
MarcusTheAbsolute they got you to play their dumb game so how stupid can they be.
just a small indie company dude.. don't be so rude. ^^
If a cards mana cost is set, like with the effect of the naga, and you reduce the cost of the spell with emperor or something in that vein, the cost of the card will change. This is the correct interaction, and makes the most sense. Inconsistency is an issue, this is a part to fixing that issue.
gosh this deck looks fun
if only i have those giants on my collection..
gota dust dem cards
i wish i can but i dont have much spare cards to dust dem in the first place :(
No, it's not fun.
It's fun AND interactive
It'll get boring real quick if that's all that is being played on wild
Does it work with molten giants? Counting down from 5?
All giants. You only need to be at 25 health.
Something op and not Jade?
Count me in.
good old blizzard logic, murders dreadsteed because of an "op" 11 mana combo that clears the whole board, but INTENTIONALLY leaves a 5 mana combo that puts a bunch of 8/8s on your board. So stupid.
11 mana? What else do you need besides dreadsteed and defile to clear the entire board?
blizzard nerfed dreadsteed because of this 11 mana combo: dreadsteed (4) + knife juggler (2) + defile (2) + deathspeaker on the juggler (3). it would deal around 14 damage (defile limit), clear the board, and leave a 1/1 and a 2/2, and would require 1 thaurissan tick to be viable. compared to the famous leeroy + manipulator combo that costs the same amount, requires less cards, and deals 20 damage.
but leeroy cant clear the board/get past taunts so you can play around it
it's still a very powerful combo, since dealing 20 damage in one turn can kill the enemy easily
Dreadstead wasn't nerfed because of that , it was nerfed because 6 mana deal deal 14 dmg to all minions , even highest life minions can't survive Defile + dreadstead combo Even ultrasaur with 14 HP was dead with Defile Dreadstead
Honestly by wild standards, this doesn't even feel that broken. Yeah, it's GOOD and definitely viable but the variants are brutally high and no offense but some of these people played against were morons - that druid that wasted all two bloody removal cards on a bloody doomsayer while he had what was effectively an empty board could have killed the naga siren then there'd have been no 5 mana call of the wild.
It's also very all in. If this fails the only late-game is the Deathstalker Rexxar which while good, it IS in wild and wild has some crazy shit going on for it.
And if this truely is OP then most classes do have a 'removal all minions at a cost' type effective - frost nova/blizzard + doomsayer, equality + cons/pyro, twisting nether, priests death knight, brawl, poison seeds (optionally with starfall following), debatably vanish.
And those are just the conventional clears. Things like spreading plague +twisting and the like can also be pulled off.
Honestly, it's only a wild-tier combo, I say let wild have it - it's fun and despite peoples whinging it IS interactive - there's no charge or instagib - you get a chance to kill those giants and the naga the turn after they come out, if you didn't put removal in your deck or didn't draw it then there are plenty of other cards that'd have killed you on that turn too.
graveeking yeah sure, cause turn 5 5/5 plus two 8/8s is super easy to remove. Can you please tell me the 5 mana board clear that I get to play against that. Oh wait, there isn't an easy answer. Sure the clears you mention work, but they cost more mana than the combo. Combo gets dropped turn 5 there is very little answers outside of specifically frost-doom and equality-pyro
Ben Whitcombe The combo works at turn 5 and you need the mountain Giants(since the other can be played around)
It means you need to have good draws
Now tell me can a perfect storm card draw deck defeat this?
Hell yeah. I bet the good old 1 2 3 4 5 6 Secret pally or midrange murloc can beat this
The main problem isn't the fact that it's broken (and it kinda is). It's the fact that this interaction is just plain wrong and nonsensical. Naga sea witch change the cost of all cards to 5 as a STATIC EFFECT. Meaning the card's cost shouldn't change while its on the board unless you play another minion with a similar static effect like Aviana. Then I guess it overrides it. I think Bizzard made a mistake.
Ben Whitecombe I never said it was super easy to remove on turn 5 - but that's VERY specific combo you mentioned, now considering these are showcase games - he only managed to get that combo off once - and the only reason that worked as well as it did is that druid was a numpteen who wasted most of his removal on a doomsayer and so couldn't kill the siren which is what ACTUALLY won him the game. Every other game was either only one giant out, or it was out later than turn 5.
Sometimes you need to throw down more stuff early to slow down aggro, so mountian giants won't work - and again against aggro they may not have the hand for clockwork giant to work either. Sea giants you're relying mostly on your opponent overcommiting... but if you're putting down sea giants because your enemy has a lot of minions then those minions can just clear the sea giant(s)...
And if it's JUST a 5 mana two card combo for a 5/5 and 8/8 on average then... eh? We've had a **4** mana 7/7 in the meta and that isn't even played in standard that often anymore and that comes out one turn earlier and doesn't require specific setup or combos. You're paying an extra card (and huge unreliability) for an extra 6/6 in stats and it's one turn later and it makes almost entirely the rest of the cards in your hand cost more AND it's in wild where there are more options available.
And to top it all off the fact is there are ample taunts and delays and just being able to clear the naga or one giant is usually good enough given that the rest of the deck is just setup outside of Deathstalker rexxar and that card is really good but really slooow.
You're also not considering that they do nothing to affect the board state the turn they come out. Most decks will HAVE a board to start trading in to clear the siren or taunt up.
But honestly, if you want to know one really OP neutral card that can deal really well with two 8/8s? Annoyotron. Maybe even a cheeky sludge-belcher if you want a card that's also effective versus other decks.
All you gotta do is buy yourself time - because this is the only thing the deck does. Sure it does this one thing really well but it IS all it does. It's a high-roll deck with large variants and just one combo that isn't guaranteed to get the kill.
Last but not least this isn't a 'package' this is DECK. This isn't an OP combo package that you can throw into any old control or midrange deck for massive value - no no, you need the card draw for both yourself and your opponent as well as all the removal to even have hopes of surviving that long. It DEFINES the deck - it isn't part of it, it IS the deck. It is the one and only win condition - it's basically very similar to the Barnes + yashraj combo. If you draw the exact right cards you get a massive board very suddenly, draw the wrong cards and your hand is only slighty less dead that you'll be in a few turns.
ANYWAYS this is getting rambly. But look I know where you're coming from, I can understand your concerns and I wouldn't even be annoyed if they did nerf this. But I'll just leave it by saying simply put - there's more to hearthstone than just raw stats.
Are you the dude that gets excited by trash tier card reveal but said dr boom sucked before he released?
You fit exactly that description.
Yeah, the combo makes the naga synergy instant tier 1 in wild.
People saying it's stupid, but if the Witch makes your cards base cost a 5 then the Giant effect comes into play after. It's all intentional, and fairly logical, just kinda busted.
While its a very strong combo, it has some limiters :
1- Its only possible turn 5 or 4 with coin. This allows the opponent to build a board pre-giantdrop.
2- They don't have charge. This allows the opponent to react to the combo, unlike OTKs.
3- It relies on drawing specific cards. Namely, the one card they changed. And you can only have 2 in your 30 cards. Then, you need to also draw some giants, ideally at least 2.
4- If you have too many giants, you could then just have a bunch of dead cards in your hand, which can be death-sentence vs aggro. If you have not enough giants, you might just draw them too late.
5- Its only in wild, which is obviously not the format they're focusing on balancing and has many other very insane decks (hence the "wild").
Plus, its nice to see some cards finally see play in constructed. Naga Sea Witch effect was often a drawback and was mostly seen as a bad card.
what comfortably counters this? only thing I can come up with is reno priest/warlock twisting nether and po+shadowflame ?
Play Dead + Poison Arrow + Unstable Ghoul => 1 + 2 + 2 = 5 Mana => Board Cleared
alreeet lad
damn this is a relic lol, what's crazy is 5 mana naga sea which is kinda balanced these days lol
my favorite part of this video is how he pretends to look at himself in that intro to the combo xD
also be careful they banned disguisedtoast for a video similar to this this isnt a bug but it damn well feels like it
I fucking love the ending of the vid.
What were the games like when you don't draw the Naga?
"Oh sweet, it's just a jade druid"
Would Naga Sea Witch be bad if it made your enemy's minions 5 mana?
Damn, don't have clockwork giants... is there a replacement?
he said that he has two doomsayers at 9:03 but he had only one because the other one burned while tracking :d
i believe the hunter pick is due to the card which battlecry to get more copies of giant.
Very nice mate..very nice
old but gold
Love how there's not really any mention of this in the actual game client, if it wasn't for this video I probably would not have known this but I'm glad Blizzard is looking out for Neanderthals like myself by changing Fiery War Axe to 3 mana instead of changing it by putting some text on the card and making it interesting because apparently according to blizzard most players aren't that smart so a lot of them wouldn't be able to read the text anyways
12:40 he could have twisted never into getting the vitality totem via shredder
Why would this be patched? Isn't that the point of wild? That they dont have to give a shit about what's too strong there?
No, they have made this combo possible for wild in the last patch, that means they may nerf it again.
i've tried broken druid version of the "naga sea witch deck" on the last week and the win rate was 20-1 ish (rank 22 and up - dont play wild much) it feels like anything related to druid is absurdly broken
What happened? I mean is it new interaction because people just invented it or is it new because Blizzard changed something to naga sea witch but I didn't know anything about it? Can someone explain this to me?
Jakub Skonieczny Naga Sea Witch used to override the giant's cost mechanics with 5 Mana. A recent change has made it so that the giant's cost reduction happens after the Naga cost reduction. This lets people drop 0 cost mountain giant's off 5 cards in hand and 0 cost Molten giant's off 25 health once Sea Witch is in play.
They just changed Naga Sea Witch in the most recent patch.
Dr. Naga PogChamp
I think this would be strong with molten giants... You only have to be at 25 hp for them to cost 0 mana.. Would be insane with warlock because you tap for the first few turns anyway
walcok seems to be best choise or may be druid to ramp and spend some sples
15:40 Like what the fuck is this, tavern brawl? haha
You can describe it as " too powerful "but I prefer " broken ".
Why'd you play hunter? I'm sure handlock with the life tap ability would be more suited so you can draw giants
That is what I have been doing and it works great, still many advantages to various classes while still using combo. His hunter deck was actually pretty good since tracking and stitched tracker were really useful. Also was using Death Knight as back up plan against control match-ups (priest light bomb for example) where they somehow remove his giants. My brother originally pointed out the (new) interaction to me, and he ran paladin jousting, nice removal, and heals, but more dependent on lucky draws, since card draw is more difficult.
EIGHT MONTHS LATER, OUR PRAYERS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED
What about the winrate with this deck?
nice sniping warlock
it needs to be set to 5 just like naga sea witch's text implies.
thank god for light bomb.
Mister Ree you misspelled brawl
There's a legendary that makes your minions (1.)
What an amazing deck! Kudos.
Also, this interaction makes no sense. Naga sea witch effect sets the cost of cards to 5. It's a static effect, unlike Bright-eyed Scout where it changes the cost of the card drawn to 5, then the mana cost can change. It should be 5 no matter what in buid cost reduction the card has. This just adds more incosistencies to the game...
That's accualy very good
Giants Handlock is so fuckin degenerate, on turn 5 this guy played a 5/5 Naga and 5 8/8s, two mountains, two moltens and a sea giant. Its my turn 5 as a Reno Priest, ive got lightbomb in hand and i was dead on board next turn from full health AFTER playing a Belcher. Thanks Blizzard.
should have saved the coin for lightbomb pleb
Slacker Magician It was about 3 hours after the patch dropped moron lol I thought he was playing Renolock.
So much crying from Garret.
Enjoy your teenage years, you will never get them back.
As well as you will never get back your good mood.
Today on turn 5 my opponent had 10 mana, four 8/8 giants an avianna and Loatheb.. I COULDN'T EVEN PLAY EQUALITY TO CLEAR :(((
This is a really fun deck :-)
It's fun and interactive remember
12:40 He could have gotten doomsay off of the shredder, then played reno
11:47 It's Checkmate
Warlock
Do you hear it? It is new handlock scream :D.
dont worry guys, there's that 3 drop that kills giants, he was designed for metas like this!
awesome
Time to stomp out the lich king with some giants.
This combo works with arcane giant?
And molten giant?
Turns out, yes it is too powerful
Wow Hunter can Kill the Enemy board now
Better than warlock control of all times xD
This is to op and to expensive dust wise
Vivi23 Blue23 >expensive
lol
someone's never played Reno decks
I ahve reno deck(S) and still i dont have some of the giants yet :)
deck list is gone ?
That's pretty dirty.
13:23 You know your deck is op if your happy to play against jade druid.
easy to counter with priest, but not good for other classes
aaaaand i just dusted all my wild cards a few weeks ago to get the new expansion -_-
I watch you dance, every time... can't stop.. help..
Ending song?
"I played as hunter just because i like deathstalker rexxar"If that 'aint me...
his outro is fucking awesome
Built a similar deck but with druid. And i gotta say that it's too op. Priest can counter this, warlock can counter this. But that's about it. Other classes attempt to do anything and are crushed. Pirate warrior stood no chance lol
I love the fact Blizzard is puting out more combos. I can understand why they where careful though, since Hearthstone only allows very limited interaction. But I think creature-combo and toolbox decks are very cool (for example Kiki-Chord in mtg) and could very possibly be a new Hunter-theme, which would fit the class very well.
The next top 2 tavern brawl is gun be scary
Obviously this is too strong. That being said, I think the change is logical and that the Giant change should be kept, but Naga should be nerfed to keep it in check.
Didnt know this worked, thought they would still cost 5. Is this new due to some change?
0:10 he literally just told you in the beggining of the video, wtf dude?
No, all the other decks are weak! xD
If Wild is full of broken OP bullshit you can always play Standard or Arena. Oh... oh wait... oh no...
Ive encountered this combo its OP as fuck
Dude, Did Day 9 copy you on this?!
turn 4 7/7 or turn 5 13/13
It's fiiiiiiine. It's wild. Nobody ever plays wild, right? No need to balance it
It really seems like Blizzard has no idea what they want to do with their game...
This deck basically loses to all aggro if you don't have a doom on turn 1 or 2 tho
EZ WE KRIPP NOW EZ
its wild so its suposed to be wild.
Wassup ma Nagas!
holy shiz.....broken !...oh wait....grab priest and light bomb those :3.....EDIT:tryed the deck as druid and the deck is definetly overkill...i'am climbing ranks crazy fast with that...went from 21 to 14 in 1 night lol......I don't use Innervate homewer.....I got early aggro...overkill turn 5....and extra value if need be(n'zoth)(2 raven 2 pirate hater crabs 2 mark of ysaar....2 loot hoarder...2 death lord....feugen//stalagg...n'zoth and those giant mix up(5 giant 2 naga)..1 ultimate infestation...1 wrath.....2 swipes....2 oracles..2 doomsayer.......cycling goes super fast and smooth and raven + mark of ysaar make an insane turn 2 for 4/4 board and 4 face dmg if raven live...2 NaturalizeEDIT 2: thx Dane for showing me this broken deck...I don't usually net deck but this goes in my taste....overkill broken(maybe free climb to legend ?)...also seem i'am not the only one using it...I met like 3 ppl with it after u posted your video and argh...that's brutal to put up with even with the removals
or deathknight
bllllood yea maybe against a hunter but gg against Druid
lightbomb costs 6 mana, druid can do this combo on turn 2 or even turn 1. though every innervate in the opening hand effectively decreases the number of giants, earlier is always better than bigger.
And that shit was edited? Just post a link to the decklist next time. No one cares about all 30 cards of a rank 14 wild deck if they have to read every card.
its a personal edit to the deck Dane is playing here...I have no clue where the original deck originate from...EDIT:....btw u may not care but that still some idea to look around....as for my best rank without a broken deck its rank 8(shaman class non-meta deck)(ladder b4 the Ungoro packs came in) if that make u feel more considerate of what I tweak
I member... weird how YTube keeps recommending 3 year old vids from you to me though
You think you want a balance game of Hearthstone, but you don't!
5 mana call of the wild
Uuuhn ~
Welp, time to avoid wild...