🔪 Wicked Edge Killer? - Tormek T-4 Bushcraft
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I've got the old green Tormek 2000. I bought it new in the mid 90's. As I recall, it came bare bones with only the vertical tool post receiver, a planer knife jig, angle gauge, instruction book, a really good waterproof felt pen for marking the profile of the bevel, honing paste and a box all for about $500. They told me to use motor oil on the matter leather stropping wheel and the contoured leather wheel I added. I must have spent over $500 on the various jigs and accessories I bought for it over the years. It's. Good to see they include the horizontal receiver and threaded the tool post. For repeat setups. I've been meaning to get a metric die to do that same thing. I tried standard threads but they're too shallow.. ...anyway, at least 20 years later and still going strong... I highly recommend it. If you'll buy the latest Samsung galaxy or Apple iphone without blinking, get one of these . The big difference between the 2 is that this thing will still be working for you in 20 years and your phone will likely not be working for you in 4 years.
Great machine, I've got an old model from my grandfather. It's from the late 80s. I called tormek in Sweden and ask them if the extras work on that particular model, they were very friendly and helpful. I serviced it and bought the diamond flattening tool and a new leather wheel plus a few additional things.
It's working great.
Great job on the review. It’s amazing to read all the comments. Obviously there’s a lot of people that do not know how to sharpen a knife.
I was worried about the “hollow grind”. But not anymore. Most informative. Many thanks,
Mandeep S. Sehmi
By reading the comments I gather that there are a lot of misunderstandings about sharpening tools, I consider any kind of knife a tool. I do what I call a LOT of wood carving, plus I use my bushcraft and hunting knives a lot and I do use a Tormek machine, the idea of such machine is to: one, "create an edge" that is consistent with what the tool is required to do, for example take a woodcarving gauge it must have, to maintain control of the cut, a straight cutting edge, in other words square to the either the center of the tool or the edges of the tool (depending on whether the tool is flared up or straight) and from there the bevel must be created. Secondly, that same edge will at one point need to be recreated due to use and the Tormek really does a good job. I agree with the comments of sharpening by hand, especially if one is out on the field where there is no electricity, and the Tormek would be very inconvenient to carry around, so a good skill in hand sharpening is necessary, we must remember though, that no matter how skillful a person is, he/she will never be as consistent as the machine can be, thus the need to recreate the edge. Sadly many people abuse their knives (tools) and end up chipping them, there is where the Tormek excells. I have repair many of my acquaintances damaged carving tools using the Tormek.
I have used a variety of systems over the years and since using my T4 ... no looking back. 👍🍻
Nice video - I bought a T4 Bushcraft in the last few weeks and am equally pleased with it. Subscribed!
Dang. Way better than belt sanders. Cools down blade with water, while sharpening, and built in spinning leather strop.
Yea... I just bought an older Tormek to replace a belt sander I was using. It didn't come with the knife holder... picking one up today from Lee Valley.
I’ve added a large magnet to my T4… taped to the outside of the water trough 👍
Thank you for putting this information out. All my life, since I was 12 years old, I've had a pocket knife but never could keep the thing sharp. I have bought more jigs, sharpening stones, Diamond Stones, and in Arkansas sharpening Stone set I bought when I was 12. And I bought a belt-driven Work Sharp system that doesn't do that good a job either.
Also I have a wicked Edge system is a pain in the ass to use. what I want you just the way to sharpen my work knife the something that's scary sharp and use, not spend three hours trying to get it there. but having said all that I'm buying the Bushcraft system from tormac. Thank you once again for all the information!
Might you sell me your old wicked edge? I can’t afford a tormek just yet.
Axe jig works good with a little bit of practice. I got my hatchet scary sharp and it is impressive. Love my Tormek.
Right away I would say I'm not crazy about the water but I'm sure if I tried it, it would change my mind! Seems amazing!
Awesome system's man great job! I'll definitely look into the bushcraft one that's not a bad deal at all for that system.
Thanks for all that you do can't wait till the next one...
Thanks man
If you are thinking of investing in the Tormek Systems you will be glad to know that the Tormek customer support is first class.
I had an issue with my T4 with wheel hop. Tormek went above and beyond to assist with my issue. Their customer service is well above of what I expected.
Fantastic video! I like observing earth, explore and calm down...
The pre roll ad was priceless: You're not a real knife geek if you don't have a wad of gauze on your dominant hand's thumb.
I really like the tormek sharpeners. There is virtually no angle change from heel to tip.
Yes, unlike the Lansky type systems. Unless you want to reclamp longer blades the tip section will always be a different angle .
I used my freinds one of these today , I found it easier to use the stropping wheel when the main grinding wheel is removed . there is a small plastic tube in the box the same width as the grinding stone so it's easy to do
Just stumbled onto your channel via YT suggested videos. GREAT stuff! Subbed happily.
+180 Second Ideas
Thanks man
Thank you for your videos! :) I bought mine today! Probably wouldn’t have unless I’d seen your videos. I paid the equivalent of 330 dollars. Good price, but then I live 40 km from the factory. I bought it at my local hardware store, you can find Tormeks everywhere in Sweden.
Nice. Great price. Thanks for watching.
Plenty ways to sharpen a knife, i rarely need to sharpen knives, when i do, i am using japanese whetstones, it is more of a slow and therapeutic process for me to go through this rather than just a practical process, like some sort of meditation, i take my time and enjoy it.
But hell, if i needed to sharpen often or a large quantity of knives, i sure as hell would go for a Tormek,
I’d like the product it’s just too expensive thanks both of them
Sweet video, I love sharpening knives, that system looks great, my only caveat is you can wear a lot of material off of a utensil in a big hurry if you don’t have the experience of walking before you run. Hey my 2cents.
Post Script, my 17 year old son could show you how to properly sharpen a knife because I took the time to show him, good sir.
thanks for the review based on this ive ordered a t4 and the japanees waterstone . this is my first high end sharpening system and a step up from a diamond lansky
Agree fully with your comments - the only thing that I would add is that people need to be aware that all the jigs also come at a price, so all in all I spent well over 1000 USD on my T8 and i don't even have the Japanese water stone yet.
horatio71
Have you seen my video on the Japanese stone? That thing will change your life. Lol. I’m reviewing the Hapstone M2 right now. That video should post this weekend. Subscribe to be notified. Thanks for watching.
@@HarleyWood23 yes I just watched it. Great video. I have never used the Japanese stone and currently still feel that the standard stone with the leather polishing wheel works brilliantly. Next year I will start a bit of timber framing and use my chisels quite a lot and therefore might be tempted to get it after all. In you video you mention it is a game changer. We'll see if I get sufficiently tempted ;-). All the best from London, John
@@horatio71 thanks John. Appreciate you watching.
My decision is made. I'll get the T-4 with some attachments and get rid of my waterstones, Tri-Angle Sharpmaker and all the other non-powered systems. Thanks for the great comparison!
+TinMan Bushcraft
You won’t regret it. Thanks for watching.
I wouldn't even think of getting rid of my sharpmaker. It's awesome for touchups. I leave it set up on the counter in the kitchen and my wife touches up kitchen knives if they're a bit dull or if I'm too lazy to break out my wicked edge. You just get to the point where breaking out your entire system is a pain in the ass and the sharpmaker still gives great results
Enjoyed the video very much sharpening machines and functionality was well explained i would go for the larger machine myself with the Jap water stone.
Great video! One thing to mention about the t4 is that the motor has a 50% duty cycle rating, and the t8 has a continuous duty rating. You are only supposed to run the t4 for 30 minutes and then let it rest for 30 minutes. The t8 can run all day long. This was a huge deal breaker for me on he t4, I don't want to be limited to only using the machine 30 minutes at a time. But for everyone else who is not going to be running the t4 for long periods of time, it's an amazing little unit!
Michael Whitson
Great point. Thanks Michael
Wow. I did not know this. Thanks for Sharing
Thanks for this bit of info. That just made it a deal breaker for me also.
Nice. This makes my decision much easier. Thank you.
Thanks man. Love the video watched the entire length, appreciate it. I use the KME. But learning about all the cool sharpeners is interesting and beneficial.
I've a T7. It sharpens everything to a shaving edge, out of the box. My grafting knives need to be scalpel sharp, and the standard stone honed to a 1000 grit with the stropwheel follow-up does the biz. I just can't see the point of the Japanese stone, especially at that insane price.
Great video and having watched this video years ago I bought the T8, wow what a machine 👍👍👍
I like ur points. I own both Wicked Edge sharpening system with extra stones up to 0.6 microns and the grizzly version of this machine. (Seems identical to me) albeit some differences in quality.
I used to make a bunch of chef knives for fun as for my background.
In the end, I stick with my wicked edge over this type of system. Mainly because I don’t like dealing with the water , not being able to create mirror edges, not being able to create an exact angled edge. You mentioned it’s much quicker to sharpen - true . But it’s a while to get the stones fully soaked in water and u gotta keep adding water or just go a bit dry . Also the tormek is very bulky and heavy , while my wicked edge sport edition is super easy to pack up and store.
If I was sharpening mass quantities of knives for just sharpening I used this system. For selling my knives to customers or my personal knives i only used the wicked edge .
awesome review, short and to straight to the point
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Sun the general
Thank you sir
hi i just got one out of Canada. i think just discontinued in the states. big bear tools in Canada has them. i just got one. hope this helps anyone who wanted this addition. Japanese water stone is only 230$ for the t4 which is why i wanted a t4. you sold me on the Japanese water stone and i was not into the 400$ price point. I am as budget as i can be and the t4 hit the top of my price point. thank you for convincing me to get this model.
forrest
You’re welcome. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do. I just got the diamond stone for my T8. Video coming soon. Stay tuned.
any chance you could sharpen some of the more exotic steels out there. just want to see if the lack of the black stone is really a big deal. really just cant wait for more tormek videos. keep them coming. i love your videos. The diamond stone video is going to be sick, cant wait.
Okay I have to admit that things pretty cool looking. I'm a Waterstones, Oxides, and Burnishing man myself. The Bandaid's were funny. When you restore Swords, you learn to build a huge First Aid Kit in a big covered Tupperware tub. Lot's of Surgical Tape, of all three types. Paper, Silk, and Dressing. Butterfly's, Super Glue, Gauze Pads, Anti-Septics of every type, Bacteriostatic, Antibiotic, Betadine, Alcohol. Suture Removal Kits, Sterile Saline to Wash Wounds in quantity. And of course get your Tetanus Booster Regularly or a bit Early. I feel like I'm missing something.
I owned several Wicked Edge systems as well as many others but sold them all after using my current system. I can take an a knife edge to 8000 grit, if needed, using different angle jigs depending on the knife geometry. I have uses this system since 2008 but I need to replace some parts. The company is no longer in business so I will need to replace it soon. My next purchase will be the T8. Until now I only sharpened knives, axes, machetes, etc. But with the T8 and the different jigs available I will be able to expand my sharpening business to the next level. I have watched several of your videos and you do a very good job explaining things. You have a new sub.
Thanks man. Appreciate the support. You’ll never regret the T8. 👍🏻
these are your most viewed videos because knife sharpening is fun as fuck and everyone sharpens in their own way
okay I might want this and a wicked edge and some type of belt grinder sander. You see each one can be equally amazing for sharp edges but the do different edges. the wicked edge does a flat grind the belt will do a convex grind and this does a concave or hollow grind edge so none are really better or worse than the others it depend on the knife and its use to get it sharp and stay sharp.
Thanks, nice video. I think you talked me into it. I use a Work Sharp Pro and I love it but it is very hard to preserve tips without producing at least a little rounding of the knife's tip.
Yeah I've noticed that with the work sharp stuff, it's fast and easy but I would not use it on an expensive knife
Take an ordinary magnet, wrap it in cling film (food wrap) drop it in the water trough, job done
That's a great idea.
About the rotation direction, the Tormek is ment to be rotate 180 degrees so that you can use it both with the stone rotating away or towards the tool.
Thank you very much for the information and the time you invested in research! 😃👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Hope the leather stropping wheel is hard rawhide. Soft leather will actually dull your blade if used more than a few seconds. (wrap-around effect I discovered)
These machines are great for: Chisels, Plane Irons, (kitchen) knives that has a V edge (as shown in the intro). Scissors, Gauges. I can't see the problem in using it on a Scandi grind, works with a chisel (I know it's a single bevel, but still) I've seen spoon carving with Tom sharpening his carving knife on one of these, no issue at all. It becomes a problem when the bevel gets too big. Hand sharpening is only a matter of learning, I'd sharpen expensive knives on a machine like this because I feel confident on keeping the right angle, it just about as precise as doing it on a regular whetstone (which is a hell to sharpen V edges on).
Btw, when you sharpen on whetstones you push down on the pull (as if the wheel was moving away from the edge, instead of coming in towards it)
When hand sharpening, you put pressure on when dragging the edge away, otherwise you might risk cutting into the stone, same applies on the Tormek, you lay down the knife (especially when doing it by hand) so the wheel goes away from the edge, if you go from the front of the edge freehand, it might catch and ruin your edge and make a good gauge in the stone..
The blade only catches if your angle is too high. Due to the Tormek being a guided system, there is no way for the blade to catch as long as you're using the guide rods.
Catching also much varies from stone to stone. I find it mainly being an issue on softer stones. The amount of damage also depends on the grit and characteristics of the stone. Catching on my Spyderco benchstones doesn't do much to the edge. Catching on a diamond can ruin all former work.
You can't dig into the stone no matter what angle you use, the wheel is not made out of chalk.
Agree, i love my T-8... and use the Japanese wet stone
Just ordered the Japanese stone for the T4. Stay tuned for an update. Thanks for watching.
Quality comes from Sweden!! Nice video. I am using Tormek all the time. Impossible to find a competitor.
I agree, it's a shame many leaving comments here don't appreciate that. How they think it is comparable with a bench grinder I don't know. The fact is it is always cheaper in the long run to buy quality tools. If you can't afford new, fair enough, just look on eBay for a used machine. Such is the quality it wouldn't bother me if the machine was years old, as long as there was a decent stone attached. The $200 a used machine would cost doesn't buy many sanding belts, and only two decent waterstones.
Their both badass. Seems like they have a purfect rotation speed.
Thanks Harley , great Vid. Stay well.
+Thomas Walsh
Thanks man
T4 has Japanese stone now.
Thanks for the video. I'm looking into purchasing a nice knife sharpener and it's either the T-4 Bushcraft or the TSPROF. I'm interested in getting my knives razor sharp but can care less about a mirrored edge and don't want to spend an hour plus sharpening each knife, I'm definitely leaning to the T-4 now.
Based on what you described, get the Tormek. It’s so much faster. I can sharpen three of my wife’s most used Kitchen knives, in about 30 min
@@HarleyWood23 Thanks again and sharpening the kitchen knives is on the list too. You sold me on the T-4.
I'm going to have to watch your T8 video. I've owned and used the hell out of a Tormek for over 25 years. Thinking I've about worn that puppy out. On the second grind wheel. The first one lasted well over 20 years. I'm hoping you demonstrate the use of the magnetic angle finding tool. I've never really figured that thing out. Something else I wanted to ask is about the Japanese water stone. Hoping the T8 video talks more about the way that thing changes the game for you. The only complaint I have ever had with the grinder is the short distance the strop is from the wheel. Large knives become difficult to keep out of the opposite wheel.
Danny Barton
YeH man. That’s what people don’t understand. They bitch about the price of this, and advocate for things like the WorkSharp, but fail to realize how many knives they can sharpen in a Tormek. They’ll spend WELL over $1,000 buying replacement motors and WS belt kits, to sharpen as many knives as you can on the Tormek. Thanks for watching. Here’s my complete Tormek playlist: ruclips.net/p/PL9IS7xPfI3_JQlM0Nr3MzoxyUtxPKhuoT
What a well made video. You're a great presenter because I didn't feel the desire for you to get "straight to the point".
Clue a magnet on the cheap version done deal or with some tape.
Couldn't you just tape a magnet to the outside of the T4's water bin to have the same desired effect as the T8's water bin? It won't be as slick or pretty, but it shouldn't be a very heavy or large magnet so the tape shouldn't need to be replaced every time. Just food for thought. Also I know I'm pretty late to this video and I didn't bother to read all the comments to see if someone else already said the same thing. So apologies if I'm repeating something that's already been said.
You certainly could. Even without the magnet, it’s no big deal to clean the trough.
A 1inch rare earth magnet is what I am going to use. Overkill maybe, but why not.
Hollow grinding seems like a dumb idea on most blades o.O at least it would never work for kitchen knives or anything thin cause the edge would become super fragile.
Hinkel and Wusthof sharpen their knives at the factory with a wheel.
I almost had gone for a German rip off and you changed my mind. Thanks!
I will take one of the wicked edge sharpeners, been wanting one but can't afford one. Great videos!
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When you push the blade into the stone, that's sharpening. When you pull the blade away from the stone, that's honing. That's how it was explained to me in a formal education lecture on the subject
Interesting. Never heard that.
@@HarleyWood23 yea, ..and I haven't heard it before or since but the man who instructed me was (is still, I hope) a complete jedi with all things wood. He taught a series of classes, all of which were called wood technology. It was deep. Cabinet layout, joinery, cabinet grading, lumber identification also tree recognition, drafting, tool setup and maintenance, carving, sharpening , honing, bidding, im sure im leaving some stuff out. The guy was Roy Underhill class craftsmen.. In fact. He'd turn his nose up at some of Roy's multi faceted hollow grinds. Im sure he'd not be a fan of the tormek system either.. He was very anti hollow grind. He was a real stickler. He even downgraded my bowline (loop knot) because the end was outside the loop, not inside.. ..and I had been tying them since I can remember. My dad, a longshoreman, taught me .. I realize this is all anecdotal evidence, towards my source of information . That's why I'm stacking so much on .. Lol ...anyway, the gist of it was that sharpening loads the steel up on the tool. Honing draws it out. Honing gets tools sharper but doesn't last long. Sharpening holds edge better, longer. I sharpen until last step . Stropping is honing...
Thanks for a great review. Tormek is the way to go for sharpening. No doubt.
So, youtube just randomly fed me this video, I had never herd of your channel. But now I have and am better for it. If you wanna offload one of those wicked edges, let me know. No joke
thanks man. appreciate the compliment. I'd be willing to sell the Gen 3 Pro. Hit me up via email. info@harleywood.co
Great review. If you're a woodworker and have planes and chisels to keep sharp then the T8 is well worth it. I don't have the 4000 japanese stone but the 1200 plus the honing wheel gets things as sharp as they can be.
Yes, honing compound is 8000 grit. The water stone wheel is $400 and will only save a bit of time as an intermediate grit between the standard 1000/1200grit wheel and the 8000grit honing wheel.
Different systems for different purposes.
I love the Wicked Edge, but use it exclusively on my most expensive kitchen knives. It's better than therapy I guess :-)
I use the Scheppach 2000 for mower blades, brushcutter blades, machetes, axes and such. It's a 120 dollar machine, stones are relatively cheap and it works with Tormek jigs. I use my Tormek T8 for everything in between, and it's excellent.
The WE or KME both produce better mirror edges than a Tormek, agreed. If I had to choose one though it would be the Tormek, it's so fast and versatile.
Love the knife stuff too!
Man send me one of your older sharpen system I could use one . Thanks great vid
Japanese water stone is available for t4 and t3
Tormek is for professional use. You can sharpen tons of knives a day without very high level of concentration. There is a low risk that you scratch the blade of your clients in comparison to a belt grinder.
It is great for professional knives stores, chefs, hunting clubs, bushcraft clubs, etc.
For home, it is too big and you don't need this. Where will you store this machine? In your kitchen? Or will you always go to your garage when you want to sharpen? It is not practical for the Average Joe.
An Edge Pro and some Japanese waterstones are much more practical. You can use the former for your folders, while whetstones are perfect for kitchen knives. These use up less space and you can store them in a box inside your kitchen, but you don't want to store such an industrial (ugly) grinding machine inside your house.
Tormek has only one wheel for sharpening, because the other one is a strop only. It is enough for professional sharpening, but for your expensive knives you want more stones with different grit levels. You can buy other wheels for the Tormek, but it is expensive and it is not that great to store and change those wheels.
You want Tormek for your business, but not for your home.
hell yeah this is what sharpening supplies says, they are pros
Hi , Great videos . thanks 👍 . I bought a 2000 in 2007 & have enjoyed it . I read that grading the stone to 1000 grit and then using a ceramic rod improves it ... I think it was in this thread , but not sure . What is your opinion experience on this ? Seems some do not like the waterstone . I would love to see your comments , experiment or video grading the stone with a ceramic rod . ill try it as soon as I find a ceramic rod . 👍
Thanks for an excellent comparison. I have an Apex, Wicked Edge, Lansky''s, Sharpmaker, and many different stones. I really would like to know how I can minimize the size of the sharpened edge. Did you say the size of the wheel will help, I didnt like the size of the grind on the knife you sharpened just makes it much to big. Would really like to finally get something that can do all my knives Great channel Thanks
Hello texbaz2!
If you mean like "the height of the bevel" when you look at the knife straight from the side, then it's just a matter of geometrics, I'm afraid... The thickness of the blade and the angle at which you decide to sharpen your knife is what determines "the size of the sharpened edge", as you say. The smaller the angle in degrees, the higher/broader the bevel on one said, specific blade. And the other way around of course with a bigger angle. So on one specific knife of yours, the only thing (my personal opinion) that should determine the angle is the combination of steel properties, blade geometry and intended use. If your main worry (not saying it is) is the look of the knife, then you might have to go with an angle that is too big/blunt (just to keep a narrow bevel) to fully suite your practical needs.
Between a Tormek or the Wicked Edge, the main difference (when Speaking about removing steel from the blade itself) is that the Tormek gives you a concave grind (because the wheel is round and there for "hollows" the edge) and the Wicked Edge gives you a (more or less) 100% flat grind.
I have a Tormek T-4 that I have owned for 12-13 years now. It serves me well, but I do not like it for all purposes. In my own personal opinion, it works well for wood working-tools and heavier knives/axes (axes are done free hand), but for thin, japanese chefs knives I get an every bit as sharp and longer lasting edge by using my japanese water stones free hand. I believe those types of edges just benefits more from a flat or convex grind, because of their extremely thin nature.
Regarding the knife in the video: It has what we call a "Scandinavian grind". Very common where I live here in Sweden/Scandinavia. Basically it just has one VERY high/broad bevel that runs all the way down and forms the edge in one continuous angle. Cons? Thin edge is prone to chipping if heavily used. Pros? EXTREMELY easy to sharpen in the field, thanks to the flat, wide area to rest you desired sharpening-medium on.
The steel in the Mora knives generally comes from Sandvik and is fairly soft/flexible , so it holds up pretty well. But be prepared to sharpen it regularly. From my part, I have never sharpened a scandi grind on my Tormek and probably never will. The edge will get very thin because of the concave grind. But I do strop them on the Tormek (as I am a quite lazy guy from time to time)!
I hope that clears a few things up, and feel fre to ask me if you have more questions.
/ Peter from Sweden
If you are dragging the edge it causes the bur to rollover to the other side but when you push it removes more of the metal. I drag it a lot in my Sharpening process but my final edge is all push strokes.
Usually it takes effort to remove a convex bring, concave grinder is a selling point.
Pretty cool sharpener.
A burr is actually growing much better when you are pushing against the edge not with it, or however you like to call it. Like that the material isn't just wiped of like when you are stropping to thin out the very edge, but more like jammed on top of it. So when grinding a really dull edge, its almost necessary to do it like that.
People complaining about the price in the comments. As they sit on their 1,000 dollar iphone X ordering cheap China made products off Amazon.
Micah Van Bruggen
Yeah. Exactly
So true
Sweden over China, that might be racist.
@@whiskeysudsjackwagon8510 it would be if Chinese made stuff was the same quality as Swedish made stuff
Unfortunately my phone is a LG K30. Lol fuking cheap. I dont have even $250 too spend on it. Wish someone would sell me one for cheaper. Lol
Great video. I have a T7 with the Waterstones, silly crazy sharp is achievable! On the subject of the supports, I have two fitted! I alternate between pushed and pulled edges and really there is no measurable difference. I have looked at the edges with a x1600 microscope and they almost identical. After stropping they are identical but since they are both stripped in the same direction,pulled,then this figures?. The stropping paste supplied by tormek is the key. It is very high quality and measurably the best I have come across. Maybe a video on stropping pastes? The microscope is very handy, a finely stripped and honed edge is a thing of beauty!
Andrew Wilson
Really good feedback. Thanks Andrew.
With muddy stones pushing will eat up the burr (good) or round over the edge (bad).
Nice review! I have thousands of dollars worth of Japanese natural and synthetic stones but I am still interested in getting a Tormek. I can get an edge that will tree-top hair but it takes me around an hour- and longer if a knife is really bad shape- to get that edge. It's kind of exhausting, especially if I wind up sharpening a few knives at once. It's hard to find the time. I expect that with the water stone wheel I could get 90% as good as the results I get now but in 1/4 to 1/10 the time.
Tempting!
+Rob Babcock
Hey Rob. The T-8 with the Japanese stone is what you’d enjoy most. You’re right, it won’t get you quite as sharp as hand stones, but it will get you 90% and MUCH faster. Check out the Japanese stone video I did. ruclips.net/video/2VFCNxqVR3Q/видео.html
Yeah, I've been drooling over the T-8 for years, especially since the water stone wheel has been out. Hard to justify the cost since I have thousands of bucks worth of Japanese natural and synthetic stones already. If I ever decide to "hang out my shingle" and sharpen full time I'll probably get one to augment my stones and Kalamazoo 1"x42" machine.
I'm going to save up and get the more expensive one.
Love your shirt bro! Lol! Great video!
Great review!
Now thats badass!!! Thanks again for getting the wife pissed at me!! ( honey? Can i buy a 400$ knife sharpener?) lol
+Azvoltman
Story of my life. She just shakes her head and reminds me when she goes shopping for clothes
They now do the sj250 stone in a 200 version for the t4
Thanks again! 👍
Good video. Sharp is sharp
I'm so in love with the T4. How much is the T 4
Link is in the description. Depends which set you buy.
The Japanese wet stone also is available for the T4
I have the luck that my grandfather own one of those systems, the tormek, I don't know such one but it was about 6000 kr in Sweden or about 700 us dollars, so I have one and it's probably the best sharpening system I have, I have thought about getting a worksharp but for me, a pennywise student with a knife collection, it's a little expensive at about 250 dollars and I can't really spend that much on a sharpener. The thing I don't like about the tormek is they it makes the edge concave, I personally don't like it. But it's way faster and makes a wickedly sharp edge, and that strop, I use on my hadsharpened knives, Its the best system I've ever tried so far, I still like to use my cheap wetstones and my home made strop but this makes it way easier and faster
Yeah I'd rather have my 1inch by 36 inch belt sander from harbor freight which cost me 40 bucks and 30 bucks for premium belts. But good video all in all.
No worries. Just like cars. We all drive different ones, some more expensive than others, but they all serve the same basic transportation function. Thanks for watching
@@HarleyWood23 I make knives so I had to spend a similar sum of about 700 for my 2 by 72 inch belt sander.
You and me both
@@jacechatman2703 What premium belts do you use?
Yes, and you're going to get through a hell of a lot of belts before the Tormek stone is done, you've probably chosen the expensive option. I used my last Tormek for six years before upgrading, and got 65% of my money back when I sold it on. The harbor Freight sander probably won't make it that far, but its re-sale value is zilch.
If you had some fabricating skills you could put a Japanese or tormek water wheel on a bench grinder and fabricate a blade holder for a lot less money
Yes, and you wouldn't have anything like the precision of the Tormek. Why would you spend $200 on a japanese stone, then put it on a bench grinder, that would be running too fast anyway?
Here in the UK you can pick up the equivalent of a T4 used for $200, a little more for the larger machine. Because they're so well made they're worth buying when even years old.
Great i love this so much
Does the leather wheel wobble like it looked in the vid? Did it bother you if it did?
+Ben Spalding
Not if you tighten it down properly. My fault.
As some one who sharpens knives ALOT particularly on japanese water stones, I find it's not always necessary to take it to the point of forming a burr. You can visually tell when your grind has hit the edge and if you follow the same angle and swap between sides you can get a razor sharp edge without creating a burr/removing excess material. Maybe this isn't such a big deal for some people but as I work as a chef and use my tools commercially i tend to be sharpening them daily (standard for high intensity professional use) and not taking of that tiny little bit of extra material every day can extend the life of your blade by months if not years. I find this doesn't apply entirely to anything with a 30/70 edge or further as forming a burr on the none bevelled side can help, but on anything 50/50 i personally find it pointless and a waste of good knife..
I'm a former professional cook (NOT a chef, or a culinarian, thanks) and I was heavily into water stones for quite a while.....then got tired of them and started using my Spyderco Sharpmaker on my work knives, since that's what I use for most of my other non-kitchen knives. Although it doesn't sharpen at such an acute angle as my Japanese knives originally were, it ended up working fine. I do have the ultra-fine rods for the Sharpmaker and then touched them up daily with a Mac ceramic rod. But just about ANYTHING was better than giving them to the knife guy who came by every couple of weeks......a couple of passes on his belt grinder and he'd tale off visible amounts of steel. Since he also sold knives it was a pretty good racket for him.
@@ogivecrush that's understandable, honestly I could imagine it'd be alot less time consuming.. For me sharpening is almost a form of meditation, would get home from a stressfull 12 hour shift and just sit there for an hour or two working on my knives before going to sleep. And yep the guy that used to come in and do my mates knives is the sole reason I never let anyone touch my knives. One day id spent hours putting this really nice full grind with a slight micro bevel on one of my knives, went out for a smoke at work and he rocked up and without even asking took my knife and "sharpened" it. This thing was shaving sharp (my test is to sit there and shave with it, would regularly come into work with one arm hairy and one arm smooth as a babys bottom) anyway long story short he takes it and bangs it on his wheel and I come back to my knife blunter than when I left and a receipt for work I'd never asked for...
A family member tried to give me one of these for my knives... I said thanks but told him to keep it for his woodworking tools. Great for super hard, fine edge tools.... not as good for slightly softer, more durable, harder use tools like axes, machetes, and all purpose knives.
How do slightly softer steels become more durable? My axes and knives are all modern steels that keep their edges, but are still quite easily sharpenable. The old school steels are a pain in the arse, I was always having to sharpen my axes before I entered the 21st century, they would fold over just looking at hardwood.
If you were offered a Tormek, and turned it down, fool you!
Neat system, I wonder how long it would take for me to adjust from the WE
Looks like it would be amazing! Doesn't heat up the blade li look e a belt grinder (which can ruin a heat treat)
Hey Harley another great review. I was looking at the wicked edge but I think you've converted me. I just went to tomek's site and they now have the 1000 grit Japanese water stone for the t-4 looks like. It's a 8 inch water stone and it's only 250.00
Joe Smoe
Yeah man. It’s an amazing system. The WE can get knives just a tad sharper, but that level of sharpness is almost unnecessary for most people. You’ll love this.
Thinking about getting this machine again I tried it out for like a week awhile ago but I'm hearing the clamp isn't self centering like with the wicked edge is that true? Do does that through your angle off? Thanks
Victor Jimenez
A true Full Flat grind might need shimming. All other grinds are no issue though.
I received mine yesterday. I wish they still included the knife but I needed this anyway, since I've never been able to sharpen a knife to the point where I could cut a piece of paper freely. It takes a lot of metal to learn how to use this so I've decided to use some of my 16th inch stock cut into various knife-sized rectangles to practice on. I just hope I learn from this before I wear my stone out.
BTW - when did they stop including the knife?
@Ferd Dorst No, but considering your response, one would have to assume that you are.
I have a question: When it comes to bow hunting, most broadheads out of the box have questionable sharp blades and after putting them in and out of the quiver, become dull very quickly. Can the T-4 sharpen the removeable razor blades weather it be for bow hunting or just shaving for that matter?
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Peace
I’ve been looking at both this and the wicked edge….
I have both never use the wicked edge anymore. I am already finished on the T4 when I am just starting on the edge.
@Oliverbrun90not sure where your getting your information. Yes some professional services use the tormek t-8 but an equal amount are also using the wicked edge or the tsprof or the edgepro professional, but the vast majority of service providers use a belt grinder of one form or another.