Yeah, 500 is definitely the sweet spot for lower end PC, But I feel like a 1000 will still work. Especially once we have two stars systems and potentially twelve to fifteen servers between the two of them.. Even with a thousand players, everybody's gonna be spread out. If it can handle everybody logging in at once. It shouldn't have a problem handling. People logging in all over the universe spread out. Because don't forget. Pyro is also an option as a starting point....
Watched other live streams on this, it was completely unplayable. Hope CIG got the data mined out of these to be able to correct the direction they have been heading in as watching players have no chance to leave a hab before shutting down the testing and moving on was vary conserning.
Not adequate for an entire system. Hopefully it can scale further or else we’re going to have to split this game into old school style of “Realms”. Phasing wouldn’t work with this game either. It’ll allow people to scoot around potentially for free or hop shards to get flanks they never should have. Think of it this way. Let’s say 1.0 releases with 10 systems. Split across 4 region based shards we have a million players. That’s 250k per region. If there is a starting location in every system that’s still 25k players per system, across 100 that’s still 2500. Now you may think “well dynamic isn’t here so it’ll get better”. That is not indicated by the testing. Dynamic can allocate more servers per shard based on the load in specific areas but the current limit is the shard, which doesn’t change with dynamic. I think this might be a bottleneck with the replication layer maybe? We might need another new major tech to overcome this. I’m not sure but CIG hasn’t actually explained themselves. There are too many people in the community that are either glazing, don’t care about the MMO aspect or are just technology illiterate.
@@Crittek I infact would not have thought about dsm, and you are correct scalewise, but I meant as of right now, not the end result, plus this is backed up by one of his earlier streams where 500 was the sweetspot
@@Crittek But DSM can assign a server for just the habs where people spawn, then other for the transit and other for the spaceport, of course won't assign 1 server for location, that's not the final goal of DSM, is the shard limited atm to 1k players? yes but I don't think shards will be so large with DSM, they can even make 1 ship be its own server.
I think the stress test is ultimately to determine how much performance they can squeeze out of the hardware. As I imagine once they find the optimal hardware to player ratio, they'll have an idea of how they need to scale up the hardware horizontally for higher player counts.
@@gankstrap Like I said, current indications are that stability and scalability doesn’t not seem to correlate to amount of servers per shard. We were having the same issues with 4:500 as 6:500. CIG needs to explain why this is the case because what you just described was their intention but the reality is that shard limits are becoming clear.
Ollie is such a positive light within the Star Citizen community. He literally said the server was running well as nothing was working and the server was running at 10 fps...
@@prodev4012 Staying positive about a project you believe in, especially one where there is a ton of unwarranted negativity around isn't necessarily shilling. CIG is trying to get this to work hence the testing. It's good to try and stay positive while they are clearly working there butts off.
@@snowshoes5942 The fact that they don't test this with a thousand vm cloud pcs emulating players and have it working before even asking players to do it makes me think they have no idea what they are doing
@@prodev4012 It's possible that Chris Roberts and his team genuinely believe in the value of community feedback, and our involvement is indeed valued. However, it's also conceivable - perhaps even likely - that this process serves as more than just a genuine outreach effort. It could be a strategic move to make backers feel invested and included, effectively leveraging their enthusiasm for the project while gathering valuable data on their preferences and expectations.
I think the fact that everyone picks microtech as their home is probably whats cuasing so much stress, but at the end of the day thats what CIG wants XD
Great video. Love it. Server meshing is huge for this game. So this is fantastic and historic news. The scale is insane. 😅 Why is bear skin jacket commercial so freaking long? So annoying... I just want to watch and listen to the stream. Not watch a 10-minute commercial about a jacket. Seriously.
@@Shawnsrumi prettty sure these players count caps will be per system, so it wont thin out, but i think it will be sick either way! no game has done this many players with this type of game ever before, and its really interesting to finally see it develop into an mmo.
@@lb.8181 yeah from what I’ve seen it’s definitely badass but is it worthy to become my new home location? It’s a bold choice considering we can’t change our primary residence and most people are familiar with Stanton’s trade route and general areas etc. My bros and I set our primary to Stanton obviously and I doubt they’ll change and being from two different systems would be difficult in gameplay. For example: if my primary is Stanton and I set my spawn to a nursa while roaming pyro, if the nursa gets destroyed and I die I’ll end up all the way back in Stanton which is obviously a big time consumer. Also I’ve been storing my vehicles to the side of my personal hangar and go back and forth from there often, before I set my primary I gotta know what pyros layout is.
@@Rockyroad321 Pyro is a huge system with occasional solar flares and it is filled with pirates. If you're a trader, miner etc, I would recommend not to start in pyro because it's gonna be rough.
honestly your mic is a little quiet but that could be me, Windows keeps auto micromanaging my audio levels it's really annoying If I want it at 100% blasting that's my prerogative besides I wanna have every app at 100 and manage with the windows main volume slider via the volume keys on my keyboard instead! The trains at New Babbage are in a vacuum tube your ship is a "space" ship and your in atmos the train technically isn't lore wise so it makes sense the train would be faster as theres no air resistance cause there is no air in the tubes at least if we are going by the tech it's based on they should be capable of faster than sonic speeds minus the boom!
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Yeah, 500 is definitely the sweet spot for lower end PC, But I feel like a 1000 will still work. Especially once we have two stars systems and potentially twelve to fifteen servers between the two of them.. Even with a thousand players, everybody's gonna be spread out.
If it can handle everybody logging in at once. It shouldn't have a problem handling. People logging in all over the universe spread out.
Because don't forget. Pyro is also an option as a starting point....
Watched other live streams on this, it was completely unplayable. Hope CIG got the data mined out of these to be able to correct the direction they have been heading in as watching players have no chance to leave a hab before shutting down the testing and moving on was vary conserning.
Love the format where you hang with your mates, another great stream Olli
500 seems to be the sweet spot
Not adequate for an entire system. Hopefully it can scale further or else we’re going to have to split this game into old school style of “Realms”. Phasing wouldn’t work with this game either. It’ll allow people to scoot around potentially for free or hop shards to get flanks they never should have.
Think of it this way. Let’s say 1.0 releases with 10 systems. Split across 4 region based shards we have a million players. That’s 250k per region. If there is a starting location in every system that’s still 25k players per system, across 100 that’s still 2500.
Now you may think “well dynamic isn’t here so it’ll get better”. That is not indicated by the testing. Dynamic can allocate more servers per shard based on the load in specific areas but the current limit is the shard, which doesn’t change with dynamic.
I think this might be a bottleneck with the replication layer maybe? We might need another new major tech to overcome this. I’m not sure but CIG hasn’t actually explained themselves. There are too many people in the community that are either glazing, don’t care about the MMO aspect or are just technology illiterate.
@@Crittek I infact would not have thought about dsm, and you are correct scalewise, but I meant as of right now, not the end result, plus this is backed up by one of his earlier streams where 500 was the sweetspot
@@Crittek But DSM can assign a server for just the habs where people spawn, then other for the transit and other for the spaceport, of course won't assign 1 server for location, that's not the final goal of DSM, is the shard limited atm to 1k players? yes but I don't think shards will be so large with DSM, they can even make 1 ship be its own server.
I think the stress test is ultimately to determine how much performance they can squeeze out of the hardware. As I imagine once they find the optimal hardware to player ratio, they'll have an idea of how they need to scale up the hardware horizontally for higher player counts.
@@gankstrap Like I said, current indications are that stability and scalability doesn’t not seem to correlate to amount of servers per shard. We were having the same issues with 4:500 as 6:500. CIG needs to explain why this is the case because what you just described was their intention but the reality is that shard limits are becoming clear.
Ollie is such a positive light within the Star Citizen community. He literally said the server was running well as nothing was working and the server was running at 10 fps...
so a shill?
@@prodev4012 Staying positive about a project you believe in, especially one where there is a ton of unwarranted negativity around isn't necessarily shilling. CIG is trying to get this to work hence the testing. It's good to try and stay positive while they are clearly working there butts off.
@@snowshoes5942 The fact that they don't test this with a thousand vm cloud pcs emulating players and have it working before even asking players to do it makes me think they have no idea what they are doing
@@prodev4012 It's possible that Chris Roberts and his team genuinely believe in the value of community feedback, and our involvement is indeed valued. However, it's also conceivable - perhaps even likely - that this process serves as more than just a genuine outreach effort. It could be a strategic move to make backers feel invested and included, effectively leveraging their enthusiasm for the project while gathering valuable data on their preferences and expectations.
I think the fact that everyone picks microtech as their home is probably whats cuasing so much stress, but at the end of the day thats what CIG wants XD
You know what’s even faster than trains? Elevators.
Great video. Love it. Server meshing is huge for this game. So this is fantastic and historic news. The scale is insane. 😅
Why is bear skin jacket commercial so freaking long? So annoying...
I just want to watch and listen to the stream. Not watch a 10-minute commercial about a jacket. Seriously.
If you love PvP then 1000 players at a time would be great. Seems like it will be tough to avoid PvP if you don't like it.
Mind you this is just one system. It should thin out a little when Pyro goes online
@@Shawnsrumi prettty sure these players count caps will be per system, so it wont thin out, but i think it will be sick either way! no game has done this many players with this type of game ever before, and its really interesting to finally see it develop into an mmo.
@@DJB10T1C agreed and will also have to see how far they get with dynamic server meshing
@@Shawnsrumi yeah when dynamic comes in its gonna be huge! if they can get it working the way they showed.
2:35:00 salvage is gonna be delicious in 4.0
30fps server with a thousand people. I cried a little
That didn't happen
So say pyro has 500 players and you fly from stanton to pyro what happens do you crash out to main menu?
the ability to push/dmg players with player actor should be disabled XD
My gtx1660 ain’t handling that 😂 I get around 15fps when I spawn in and around 30 when running around that’s on the live servers tho
How ?
I need to see pyro, I need to know if i should change to pyro as my home system
pyro is bad ass anywhere you go. right now we dont have access to pyro for a while
@@lb.8181 yeah from what I’ve seen it’s definitely badass but is it worthy to become my new home location?
It’s a bold choice considering we can’t change our primary residence and most people are familiar with Stanton’s trade route and general areas etc.
My bros and I set our primary to Stanton obviously and I doubt they’ll change and being from two different systems would be difficult in gameplay.
For example: if my primary is Stanton and I set my spawn to a nursa while roaming pyro, if the nursa gets destroyed and I die I’ll end up all the way back in Stanton which is obviously a big time consumer.
Also I’ve been storing my vehicles to the side of my personal hangar and go back and forth from there often, before I set my primary I gotta know what pyros layout is.
@@Rockyroad321 Pyro is a huge system with occasional solar flares and it is filled with pirates. If you're a trader, miner etc, I would recommend not to start in pyro because it's gonna be rough.
Any new server has 30fps, even on live.
Question is will it degrade if it stays up a few hrs.
honestly your mic is a little quiet but that could be me, Windows keeps auto micromanaging my audio levels it's really annoying If I want it at 100% blasting that's my prerogative besides I wanna have every app at 100 and manage with the windows main volume slider via the volume keys on my keyboard instead!
The trains at New Babbage are in a vacuum tube your ship is a "space" ship and your in atmos the train technically isn't lore wise so it makes sense the train would be faster as theres no air resistance cause there is no air in the tubes at least if we are going by the tech it's based on they should be capable of faster than sonic speeds minus the boom!
Master Modes killed Star Tarkov.
Do you also think call of duty and arma are similar?
talk about spam clicking lol